@Voodoozeko No, they were residents of the country, but in the Pale they were prohibited from owning land, and, thus, could not be peasants. They were mostly small artisans and traders.
@olterigo Of course not all jews were peasants but there were whole village communities of Jewish peasants before Pale. The so called Pale began in late 18th century when Russia ruled ex-Polish-lithuanian lands and later the 1882 ban caused end of jewish villages. I am not from Poland but here in slovene lands (Austrian Archduchy in those times) there were few jewish but some owned farms. Jews not owning farm land not true.
@Voodoozeko You are presuming that what the local ruling elites (monarch, aristocracy, and church) promulgated in Slovenia under Austrian Catholic government was equivalent to that done in Poland by the Polish ruling elites (monarch, aristocracy, and church) and was also done in the lands that were nominally Polish, but also fell within the sphere of Zaporizhian Sich' cossacks, who were Orthodox, and was also often raided by nearby Muslim population.
@Voodoozeko I am also glad you read about the ban of 1882. The problem is that there were various restrictions on land ownership and rental before that. Sure, they were not uniform, but they did exist.
On top of that, reality also was that who'll send you limited land? The magnates, who derive their profits from it? Will the locality permit this? How about if the land comes with peasants bound to the land? Jews owning Christians?
@Voodoozeko Finally, you forget that owning land is a very bad idea, where the government may suddenly decide and tell you to leave only with what you can carry on your back (or even less). What will you do then if all your savings are in the land? Land is not a liquid asset, so it was not a smart thing for a Jew to invest in. (As many of Jews in the German and Austrian possessions learned in 1000-1700.)
@olterigo but peasants don't own land, they rent it (they pay their landlord in money, food or labour for the privilege of using some of their landlord's land to grow their own food). In other words not being allowed to own land surely doesn't stop a person from being a peasant, no?
@robsargent4 How about if there is a specific prohibition on a specific group leasing a piece of land? For example, look at the Russian ukase in 1804/1807-1808. That's a more recent of several prohibitions like that.
You're presuming that being a peasant was something good and desirable and worth the investment. It wasn't. What was desirable was renting a whole estate with peasants already on it and managing it. Either way, majority of Jewish population were artisans and peddlers, not peasants.
@olterigo sorry, the comments you made yesterday weren't visible to me when I made my comment, even although they seem to have been posted before mine. Thus I was oblivious to your comment regarding land rental. Sorry about that.
Ver zogt as Yidden kenen nor handlen, Essen fette yoich mit mandlen Nor nit zine kine arbetsman? Doss kenen zogen nor di sonim Yidden, shpite zay on in ponim! Tit a kik of dzahn, dzahn, dzahn... Aunt Natasha drives the tractor Grandma runs the cream extractor While we work we all can sing our songs. Who says that Jews cannot be farmers? Spit in his eye, who would so harm us. Tell him of Zhankoye, dzahn, dzahn
Dzahn, dzahn, dzahn. Hey Zhan... Enfert Yidden of mine Kashe Vi'z mine brider, vi'z Abrashe S'gayt ba im der traktor vi a bahn. Di mime Laye ba der kosilke Bayle ba der molotilke In Zhankoye, dzahn, dzahn, dzahn... Now if you look for paradise You'll see it there before your eyes. Stop your search and go no farther on. There we have a collective farm All run by husky Jewish arms At Zhankoye, dzahn, dzahn, dzahn.
Here I found the translation of this song: HEY, ZHANKOYE! Az men fort kine Sevastopol Iz nit veit fun Simfereopol Dortn iz a stantziye faran Ver darf zuchen niye glikken S'iz a stantziye an antikel In Zhankoye, Dzahn, dzahn, dzahn Hey Zhan, Hey Zhankoye, Hey Zhanvili, hey Zhankoye, Hey Zhankoye, dzahn, dzahn, dzahn When you go from Sevastopol On the way to Simferopol, Just you go a little farther down. There's a little railroad depot Known quite well by all the people, Called Zhankoye, Dzahn
"I don't believe that people of middle eastern origin can look white."
Believe it or not, Middle Eastern and other Mediterranean ppl ARE "white". The proper term is Caucasian if you want to pigeon hole them. Just as Europeans, are also Caucasian. The only difference being that typically Caucasian of Northern European stock are fairer skinned than those from the Levant. But all Caucasians are "white".
@Lagolop Yeah, I'm middle eastern and all my friends tell me i look more white than anything else. It's because middle easterns and europeans are all aryans and their skin is different because of speciation of the environments they lived in.
You look white (racially Caucasian) because you probably are. But no, you are not Aryans. Aryans were a group of ppl thought to be from Iran .... hardly what you could call European looking. But in fact, they are just a figment of some people's imagination. ie a myth.
@Lagolop Well i'm from iran and i can tell you this, there is a term of aryans. That is the name given to the people of a certain area before our current countries. Sure they're not real now but they were at some point.
Blond, blue eyed, fair skinned Ashkenazi, share the same genomes with Mizrahi Jews. Genomes indicate ancient heritage so all Jews unless pure converts will share genome commonality.
Phenotypically (the way one physically looks) is an expression influenced by environment & mixing with other ppl. Jews have lived in Europe since 600 BC. That is a long time so they may not necessarily "look" like their Mizrahi brothers.
The original Jews were Caucasians from the Levant..
I know more than a little bit about Ashkenazi Jews. As for offending me, I get offended by anyone who spreads bullshit and lies about people, any people.
As for "blocking" your channel; what the hell does Jewtube have to do with it ... LOL. Seems to me you have a certain agenda about Jewish people. Well I guess we all do. For me I admire and respect the Jewish people for all they have given the world, and for surviving against all odds : )
Ashkenazis are "white looking" because they ARE you dumb twat.
You are a fucking moron. Even the most blond, blue eyed, lily white Ashkenazi Jews typically share the same Levantine genomes as any other Jew (unless they are pure converts, and that is very rare). AND Ashkenazi Jews are as Jewish as any other Jew.
@snowonweb It sounds more like Hungarian/Czech/Slovakian/Transylvanian folk songs than Polish folk songs. Yiddish people are Germanic not Slavs like Poles.
Yiddish is the language of the Ashkenazi Jews; but Jews originated in the Levantine (ie Israel). Bear in mind that while Yiddish is based on Medieval High German, it also contains Hebrew words and also plenty of Slavic terms too. Ashkenazi Jews are as Slavic as they are German or French or Dutch etc. In fact some of the largest populations were Polish. Before WWII, at least 1/3 of Poles were Jews. There are lots of Poles currently discovering their Jewish roots.
@Lagolop Poles discovering their Jewish roots? Where in the US? I have never heard a Pole from Poland saying that in Poland people discover their jewish roots. I think this is like an American trend to discover you're Jewish. I have friends in Poland and they said that in Poland no one cares if you have Jewish ancestry. they consider themselves Slavic, whereas American Poles they are ignorant about the real Polish thing that happens in Poland.
You can be Jewish without minimizing your Slavic heritage. You can see stories about people brought up Catholic but then discovering their Jewish roots. Right here on You tube. Some stories are pretty bizarre. I personally know a Poles that now lives in Canada who was a staunch Catholic . He has recently discovered his family on both sides were actually Jewish. He now follows Judaism and is fairly religious too.
@Lagolop Jewish is more of an ethnicity than a religion. You can be Jewish and be a Christian. As I said it is just Poles from the US and Canada that are discovering their Jewish heritage. And as I said Poles from Canada/the US have no idea what's happening in Poland and most of them have never visited Poland.
Sorry but you are wrong. Judaism is a religion and ANYBODY can be a follower regardless of ethnicity. OTOH, the original Jews were a nation of tribal people from the Levant. Most Jews today (unless pure converts) will possess Levantine genomes. That is well documented.
The reason Jewish people vary in looks is that their phenotypes are expressions of the mixing with other people throughput the diaspora. So Polish Jews look more Slavic, German Jews more German etc
@Lagolop That's what I said. Jewish is an ethnicity. Judaism is the religion. You can be Jewish but practice Christianity (i.e. Catholicism) . So as I said, not all Poles are Jewish. Most of them are NOT Jewish. I suggest you go to Poland first and see it for yourself.
But anyways, Yiddish people have adopted Eastern European + Central European customs, and they are very different from the Jews in Israel or other parts of the world.
I hate to seem argumentative but I disagree. Yo can no more be a Catholic Jew than you can be a Catholic Protestant. I never said all Poles are Jewish. What I said was that before WWII, 1/3 of the Polish population practiced Judaism. Most of those were murdered by the Nazis.
Yiddish is a language, not a "people". And about 1/2 the Jewish population in Israel are descendants of Ashkenazi Jews.
@snowonweb And Jewish and Yiddish are not the same thing. If you listen to traditional Jewish music sounds more Oriental, like Arabic music. And of course that the Yiddish have many things in common with Eastern Europeans and Central Europeans because they live there and they're influenced by those cultures.
Thank you very much !
whenmyguitar 3 months ago
This song is about Jewish Soviet Collective Farm and how Jews can be farmers and not just city people.
Mrbaisley2 3 months ago
@Mrbaisley2 Most jews in Poland, Ukraine and Russia were peasants.
Voodoozeko 2 months ago
@Voodoozeko No, they were residents of the country, but in the Pale they were prohibited from owning land, and, thus, could not be peasants. They were mostly small artisans and traders.
olterigo 2 months ago
@olterigo Of course not all jews were peasants but there were whole village communities of Jewish peasants before Pale. The so called Pale began in late 18th century when Russia ruled ex-Polish-lithuanian lands and later the 1882 ban caused end of jewish villages. I am not from Poland but here in slovene lands (Austrian Archduchy in those times) there were few jewish but some owned farms. Jews not owning farm land not true.
Voodoozeko 2 months ago
@Voodoozeko You are presuming that what the local ruling elites (monarch, aristocracy, and church) promulgated in Slovenia under Austrian Catholic government was equivalent to that done in Poland by the Polish ruling elites (monarch, aristocracy, and church) and was also done in the lands that were nominally Polish, but also fell within the sphere of Zaporizhian Sich' cossacks, who were Orthodox, and was also often raided by nearby Muslim population.
olterigo 1 month ago
@Voodoozeko I am also glad you read about the ban of 1882. The problem is that there were various restrictions on land ownership and rental before that. Sure, they were not uniform, but they did exist.
On top of that, reality also was that who'll send you limited land? The magnates, who derive their profits from it? Will the locality permit this? How about if the land comes with peasants bound to the land? Jews owning Christians?
olterigo 1 month ago
@Voodoozeko Finally, you forget that owning land is a very bad idea, where the government may suddenly decide and tell you to leave only with what you can carry on your back (or even less). What will you do then if all your savings are in the land? Land is not a liquid asset, so it was not a smart thing for a Jew to invest in. (As many of Jews in the German and Austrian possessions learned in 1000-1700.)
olterigo 1 month ago
@olterigo but peasants don't own land, they rent it (they pay their landlord in money, food or labour for the privilege of using some of their landlord's land to grow their own food). In other words not being allowed to own land surely doesn't stop a person from being a peasant, no?
robsargent4 1 month ago in playlist other European traditional
@robsargent4 How about if there is a specific prohibition on a specific group leasing a piece of land? For example, look at the Russian ukase in 1804/1807-1808. That's a more recent of several prohibitions like that.
You're presuming that being a peasant was something good and desirable and worth the investment. It wasn't. What was desirable was renting a whole estate with peasants already on it and managing it. Either way, majority of Jewish population were artisans and peddlers, not peasants.
olterigo 1 month ago
@olterigo sorry, the comments you made yesterday weren't visible to me when I made my comment, even although they seem to have been posted before mine. Thus I was oblivious to your comment regarding land rental. Sorry about that.
robsargent4 1 month ago
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optimisto1 6 months ago
In the beginning of Crimea peninsula there is a town called Dzhankoy.
optimisto1 6 months ago
Does anyone know the English translation for this song. My mother used to sing it to me. I would bevery appreciative. bobcat
bmishkin100 6 months ago
@xBxLxIxNxDx
"I don't believe that people of middle eastern origin can look white."
Believe it or not, Middle Eastern and other Mediterranean ppl ARE "white". The proper term is Caucasian if you want to pigeon hole them. Just as Europeans, are also Caucasian. The only difference being that typically Caucasian of Northern European stock are fairer skinned than those from the Levant. But all Caucasians are "white".
Lagolop 8 months ago
@Lagolop Yeah, I'm middle eastern and all my friends tell me i look more white than anything else. It's because middle easterns and europeans are all aryans and their skin is different because of speciation of the environments they lived in.
Xemptuous 8 months ago
@Xemptuous
You look white (racially Caucasian) because you probably are. But no, you are not Aryans. Aryans were a group of ppl thought to be from Iran .... hardly what you could call European looking. But in fact, they are just a figment of some people's imagination. ie a myth.
Lagolop 8 months ago
@Lagolop Well i'm from iran and i can tell you this, there is a term of aryans. That is the name given to the people of a certain area before our current countries. Sure they're not real now but they were at some point.
Xemptuous 8 months ago
@xBxLxIxNxDx
Blond, blue eyed, fair skinned Ashkenazi, share the same genomes with Mizrahi Jews. Genomes indicate ancient heritage so all Jews unless pure converts will share genome commonality.
Phenotypically (the way one physically looks) is an expression influenced by environment & mixing with other ppl. Jews have lived in Europe since 600 BC. That is a long time so they may not necessarily "look" like their Mizrahi brothers.
The original Jews were Caucasians from the Levant..
Lagolop 8 months ago
@Lagolop you're comments are no more helpful. we all have our opinions. you have yours, I have mine.
AndyMKordo 8 months ago
@xBxLxIxNxDx
I know more than a little bit about Ashkenazi Jews. As for offending me, I get offended by anyone who spreads bullshit and lies about people, any people.
As for "blocking" your channel; what the hell does Jewtube have to do with it ... LOL. Seems to me you have a certain agenda about Jewish people. Well I guess we all do. For me I admire and respect the Jewish people for all they have given the world, and for surviving against all odds : )
Lagolop 8 months ago
@xBxLxIxNxDx
White looking?!
Ashkenazis are "white looking" because they ARE you dumb twat.
You are a fucking moron. Even the most blond, blue eyed, lily white Ashkenazi Jews typically share the same Levantine genomes as any other Jew (unless they are pure converts, and that is very rare). AND Ashkenazi Jews are as Jewish as any other Jew.
Lagolop 8 months ago
sounds like Polish folk songs. Let's face it, Jews and Poles have more in common than they admit to it.
snowonweb 10 months ago
@snowonweb It sounds more like Hungarian/Czech/Slovakian/Transylvanian folk songs than Polish folk songs. Yiddish people are Germanic not Slavs like Poles.
AndyMKordo 8 months ago in playlist I like it!
@AndyMKordo
Yiddish is the language of the Ashkenazi Jews; but Jews originated in the Levantine (ie Israel). Bear in mind that while Yiddish is based on Medieval High German, it also contains Hebrew words and also plenty of Slavic terms too. Ashkenazi Jews are as Slavic as they are German or French or Dutch etc. In fact some of the largest populations were Polish. Before WWII, at least 1/3 of Poles were Jews. There are lots of Poles currently discovering their Jewish roots.
Lagolop 8 months ago
@Lagolop Poles discovering their Jewish roots? Where in the US? I have never heard a Pole from Poland saying that in Poland people discover their jewish roots. I think this is like an American trend to discover you're Jewish. I have friends in Poland and they said that in Poland no one cares if you have Jewish ancestry. they consider themselves Slavic, whereas American Poles they are ignorant about the real Polish thing that happens in Poland.
AndyMKordo 8 months ago
@AndyMKordo
You can be Jewish without minimizing your Slavic heritage. You can see stories about people brought up Catholic but then discovering their Jewish roots. Right here on You tube. Some stories are pretty bizarre. I personally know a Poles that now lives in Canada who was a staunch Catholic . He has recently discovered his family on both sides were actually Jewish. He now follows Judaism and is fairly religious too.
Lagolop 8 months ago
@Lagolop Jewish is more of an ethnicity than a religion. You can be Jewish and be a Christian. As I said it is just Poles from the US and Canada that are discovering their Jewish heritage. And as I said Poles from Canada/the US have no idea what's happening in Poland and most of them have never visited Poland.
AndyMKordo 8 months ago
@AndyMKordo
Sorry but you are wrong. Judaism is a religion and ANYBODY can be a follower regardless of ethnicity. OTOH, the original Jews were a nation of tribal people from the Levant. Most Jews today (unless pure converts) will possess Levantine genomes. That is well documented.
The reason Jewish people vary in looks is that their phenotypes are expressions of the mixing with other people throughput the diaspora. So Polish Jews look more Slavic, German Jews more German etc
Lagolop 8 months ago
@Lagolop That's what I said. Jewish is an ethnicity. Judaism is the religion. You can be Jewish but practice Christianity (i.e. Catholicism) . So as I said, not all Poles are Jewish. Most of them are NOT Jewish. I suggest you go to Poland first and see it for yourself.
But anyways, Yiddish people have adopted Eastern European + Central European customs, and they are very different from the Jews in Israel or other parts of the world.
AndyMKordo 8 months ago
@AndyMKordo
I hate to seem argumentative but I disagree. Yo can no more be a Catholic Jew than you can be a Catholic Protestant. I never said all Poles are Jewish. What I said was that before WWII, 1/3 of the Polish population practiced Judaism. Most of those were murdered by the Nazis.
Yiddish is a language, not a "people". And about 1/2 the Jewish population in Israel are descendants of Ashkenazi Jews.
Lagolop 8 months ago
@snowonweb And Jewish and Yiddish are not the same thing. If you listen to traditional Jewish music sounds more Oriental, like Arabic music. And of course that the Yiddish have many things in common with Eastern Europeans and Central Europeans because they live there and they're influenced by those cultures.
AndyMKordo 8 months ago in playlist I like it!
very great!
ProudAndZionist 10 months ago
I have no idea whats being said, but the music is fun.
MrEuroco 10 months ago
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MrTheerandomguy 10 months ago