He's so right about the deity thing. It's seems very hypocritical when people claim "God does everything for a reason" and then if there is a death they are sad...I'm just thinking...
@Zgamer618 No it's just that most of them don't know what they are even believing in. Most religious people are told they are religious at birth, never taught to think about it but just to accept it. And things can get lost in the translation, so everyone believes in their own version of the religion. People will believe the parts that have nothing to do with them but not the parts that directly affect them.
Check out Doug Stanhope talking about religion, super funny and super accurate.
@Zgamer618 Oh man I have been so into TVP lately, I've been getting all the info I can. I first watched the Zeitgeist movies in '08 and felt sooo good about it afterwards, but then I had to go back to high school the next day, and the next day, and the next day. And eventually that strips all the inspiration out of you. But since I've been out of school I've come back to it and I believe in it more than ever. I'm planning on going to Venus, Florida in the next few years to see it in person. :)
@gibbsies I also saw the zeitgiest film in highschool, many poeple in my highschool saw it actually. Learned about the VP from the second film, now considering joing local chapter.
@Zgamer618 Nobody at my school really ever talked about it until just the last year. But most people were talking about other things. I think it got shown in a social studies class one year, but only the first film I'm pretty sure.
@Zgamer618 Well the main socials teacher at my school, Mr. Weiler was a really open minded guy and he did a lot of research and he told us about current events in advance so we would know what was going on. He pointed out the atrocities going on in Israel which I thought was very admirable. He mentioned the 9/11 conspiracies maybe once or twice but never went into discussion about it. But that's fine because it hasn't technically been proven one way or another.
When a men have that certain needs of making hem self through that stage of losing a high numbers of "sperms" infamy! He is the one that is losing he's conscientiousness of killing in mass their lives proteins...
I also want to add that while each and every society on Earth advocates for a limited form of personal freedom (for the same reason you brought up - preserving others' freedom too), the zeitgeist movement proclaims a kinda absolutist viewpoint on personal freedom (which ressembles maoism) like we should be ashamed of our ego. Not even Church and religion dared to go that far (a sect/cult strives for an "esprit de corps" but you rarely find one trying to supress individual traits and goals).
The point is that we're all one organism, we all have more or less the same goal. We all came form the same thing, we're all part of this world. You are everyhting, and everything is you.
And helping one another is what brings us happiness and joy. As John Perkins said:
"We can call it spirituality, but the fact of the matter is joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. Thats our god spirit. Thats that side of ourselves that really feels it, and you can feel it deep inside you. Its this amazing wonderful feeling, and you know it when you get it. You dont get it from money, you get it from connection.
you can speak kind words but real life is sweat, tears and blood. It doesn't look like you described it. And there's no technology or magic on this universe that can change it.
At the moment it is. And why do you think that is?
From the moment we're born, we're taught to support the system, and "war is natural", and "our society is right". Come on figure it out, it's not that hard.
And, indeed, technology can't change that. The change has to come from within us.
Well if you really believe that then I think that Fresco's followers are more of a cult than a bunch of science guys. You're looking for a saviour (even if hidden deep within each of us) and for redemption. Yes, there are vast resources available in each of us but the price is pure subjectivity. Follow that path and you're walking on buddhism. On the other hand if you pursue only objective science facts you're walking toward a commie-like cybernetic society. One path forbids the other, though.
You gotta stop feeling the need to label everything. This isn't about religion, this is about us, humans. Religion just distracts us. Science helps us search for answers.
You must certainly realise that there are religions that allow you to explore your inner self the way you described it and there are also science-based ideologies which can led to a totalitarian mayhem. You're the one who talks in slogans. If I'd say "Science just distracts us. Religion helps us search for answers" I'm certain you'd think "another brainwashed moron". Science is only a method of work and analysis. If someone warns you about being self-deluded that's not labelling. It's a fact.
Dude... searching for answers is what the Scientific Method is all about. That's a fact.
"Science just distracts us. Religion helps us search for answers."
That just doesn't make sense. Religion HAS asnwers, but has nothing to back them up. Science LOOKS for answers through experimentation and... well, what Jacque's saying in this video.
"You must certainly realise that there are religions that allow you to explore your inner self."
Okay... Now we're talking. If all you want is an ANSWER your best bet is religion because science does not provide answers per se, it merely provides room for more questions. When a disciple asked him why he was doubting so much, a greek mathematician drew 2 circles on the ground, the bigger one representing his knowledge while the smaller one his disciple's knowledge. Analysing the circle circumference, he made it clear to his apprentice that more QUESTIONS arise the more you know.
Different ones, of course but nevertheless more QUESTIONS. You're out of luck: science won't quench your thirst for answers. You say you love science but you're faking it. A science follower loves science for questions, not for answers. That's why I think you'd be better served by religion. Pick one, the rest will follow.
"Science follower"? What the hell is that? Seriously you're making groups up as you go along now.
Anyway, need I repeat myself? I SAID Religion provides answers, but they're backed by nothing but blind faith. Science SEARCHES for an answer.
Ahem... yeah, maybe you're right. Indeed more questions may arise, but that's the beauty of it. We're all emergant beings, meaning that we have the ability to recieve any new information.
I agree we live in a globally corrupt system and sometimes a (non-violent) revolution is needed but there are problems ahead. Of course it has to start from somewhere and I also agree the general awareness program is a good thing but you cannot deny both fascist and communist movements proclaimed they have beneficial goals. Judging from the mistakes of the past I don't think people will let you (or anyone) to mess with their values. Especially when dealing with sensible spots like freedom.
Why are you zeitgeistians so supportive for conditioning? If I'm against any form of conditioning that also means I'm free to chose which conditioning I prefer from a large list. And so should you. I've been living for most of my youth in a (now former) communist country and yet I'm not a commie and never was. Being a free person means 2 things: private property and the right to choose. At all levels. If you cannot have one of these (or worse, both) then you dream of North Corea.
The Zeitgeist "human conditioning" is to help us see our lives as being a part of a global community. Your perception of a free person only pertains to satisfy your own "freedom", and it's all about "yourself". Having the right to choose also means having the right to make choices that hurt others. Is that really freedom? A little bit more "freedom of choice" for you, a little bit less freedom of choice for someone else. Is that fair?
This isn't about people being corrupt, this is about people being mislead and believing that they are doing the right thing, which they are not, obviously. To be honest this isn't taken seriously enough, people are being ignorant, just like yourself. People can really be astonishingly ignorant.
The Venus project = " 1984 " ( read the book and see the film ) an Orwellian society where no one will scape from be watched in the name of a resource based economy. People will fight back this totalitarian collectivism. The answer is not the brutal selfish capitalism of today but neither this forced collectivism. People themselves will make the way out not this bunch of technocrats.
I just dont want to waste my time with people like u, nothing to do with fears...I got my reasons and right to believe what i say and i am afraid of no one..Please stop insisting writing back to me..u wont convince me.I blocked u coz i have nothing to discuss with u..I got already an idea about who u are. The Venus proiect as much as Zeitgeist are both part of the NWO...if u support them, well u are one of them..but anyway..time will show who was right or wrong.
Established power has already implemented similar sounding projects with mimicking buzz words that are similar...one world...help the world...etc. but the venus project is different altogether. It is NOT connected to established power, Obtaladance.
I suggest u should read what the good hearted hackers are posting out there...Do u knows who is behind the RBEF ? ( resource based economy fund ) Do u knows who is behind the fake NEW AGE ideology ? I have been personally tracking the New Agers for the last 15 years, for this i spent long time in Asia and in southamerica, among the "illuminated " "spiritual " ones...not. I wasnt payed by any institutions, just my passion is Socioethnology and ancient myths. New age is a sick idelogy.
I know EXACTLY who is behind the Venus project. All you're doing is falling prey to propoganda designed to keep the established, corrupt power in place.
Your labeling of Jacque Fresco and Peter Joseph is out of your own ignorance and superstitional bias. They are good, decent people who are trying to change this world for ALL, unlike different divisionary religious instititutions politically pushed by established power. Wake up. Use your brain, and stop blocking me like an unfair child.
I sent you a short vid about competition, greed, and the latest scientific studies done in London Universities about psycho social stress. Only 10 minutes long...
this is not true. competition is just as inherited as any other cultural trait.Its because of unnecessary and power consolidating competition that we have the world destroyed by unethical systems of profit gain...if you disagree with that then you have demonstrated ,beyond doubt ,that you do not understand the full impact the current system has on the psychology of man and the destruction of environment.
I watched it. Not impressed. I would like to see other informal videos besides resourcing from Peter Joseph. I already know his standing points. I think it be better to hear others that share the same view, not all of it coming from one group with one purpose.
huh? He cited several different major studies, as well as others outside of London universities.
The conclusions of the studies are scientifically are peer reviewed. Whom or what universities/ scientist/clergy/spagetti monster would you trust to peer review the findings before you lend the info credibility?
Yes, he did. However, he's using those cited resources to credit his solutions, the "universities/scientist" did not speak, so you can't possibly know what they would prefer to solve issues of today. That's the reason why Peter Joseph and his "cited" resources are not the voice of the people. That's why many people aren't joining, because it doesn't make "common sense". Until a mass majority of people, I'm talking billions of people, at least half the earth population, than I would consider it.
People aren't stupid. People are rational. The science of economics shows that people make choices based on what is rational. In this situation, it would be very irrational to consider or even trust the people of The Zeitgeist Movement. Why? One, Zeitgeist lacks sound proof. Two, Jacque Fresco has been pushing his ideas for more than 30 years, and still no one is buying into it. Three, After 30 years no one is still buying into it except a few. And lastly, intuition tell us they are hypocrites.
"People are rational"-are you serious?its because of lack of logic that things are the way they are.
"The science of economics shows that people make choices based on what is rational"- The science of economics shows us people DO NOT make choices based on what is rational!
The aim of zeitgeist is to get to the root ofthe problem rather than just screaming NWO.The problem is unethical systems of profit gain created and perpetuated by culture.There is so much your not considering here...
Yeah. On your first comment. Competition based systems were created by people to begin with. It doesn't work the other way around. So if you want to rectify anything, look in the mirror.
ok..iv looked into the mirror..iv realized that me and everybody around me have been cultured into a nonlogical method of life and the only way to solve it is to use logic and stop holding onto my inherited non questioned cultural trains of thought as any form of inherited self identification....now i suggest you do the same MBreaker
Hey man, I know that the world isn't perfect, I know that some people are corrupt, but, don't you think your taking this whole Zeitgeist thing a little too far? I've watched the movie and lecture etc. But, I don't let it consume my mind to where I start sounding like a bunch of Peter Joseph's or Jacque Fresco's like many do on youtube. I'm just suggesting that maybe your taking this too serious. Wouldn't you agree. Everyone isn't corrupt. The world isn't dying. Exponential growth is present.
Yet again MBreaker ..if you believe the world is ok..then there is no point arguing with you..exponential growth is not a good thing..search for "story of stuff" on youtube it will give you a small insight to how unethical systems of profit gain create absolute misery in the world.thousands of people die of starvation a day...for example,,discover why africa is the way it is.that fact we are having this arguement proves we have just been lucky to have been born outside extreme poverty
Are you listening to anything I'm saying or are do you like to hear or see yourself talk on youtube. I said the world isn't perfect didn't I, did I not. Let me say it again. The world is not perfect, there is corruption, but not everyone is corrupt, it's a few who gives everyone a bad name. As I said man, your taking this way too serious.
I think it's a very far-fetched goal as well, but I believe that it is needed to create awareness. The fact that many people do take it seriously just shows that perhaps more and more people are beginning to feel the effects of the corrupt system. All ideas have to start from somewhere. Personally, I think it was about time the Zeitgeist movement emerged.
Yes, people are rational, you may not understand why certain people make the decisions they do, but people are rational. Hey, what school do you attend?
He's using those "cited" resources to credit his solutions. Duh. Could it be because the info coincides?
Not the voice of the people....
:P Science isn't the voice of the people. Average people/layperson has an opinion; science deals with facts and evidence. Doesn't make common sense? lol...it is common sense mixed with science and highter, critical thinking skills.
80% of the U.S. is undereducated. Your point?
Wanting half the people to agree before you. common sense?
I'm saying his solutions aren't reflections of the universities that he got his resources from. The Universities or Scientists could have a very different view of how to solve things.
That goes back to my original question to you. You gave me a video to Peter Joseph's lecture for more info. But it's all coming from the same guy. What I was implying to you, is that can you give me a credible resource of information that share the same or similar ideas or solutions as Peter Joseph or Jacque Fresco. And my second point was that his resources from universities still was filtered through Peter Joseph.
Peter Joseph doesn't have to worry about losing his job, Univ. employees, for the most part, do. All institutions support the establishment. I don't think I have to spell it out. We all have to eat.
If his solutions are truly needed either now or in the near future, why aren't people coming up with similar solutions as Peter Joseph. If our society is in a emergent need of a resource based economy, why aren't people joining the movement? Maybe it's because we don't "NEED" a resource based economy. It's all about being rational. That's how people are.
There are similar movements emerging but they can never work under a monetary/competitive based system, as corruption will always ensue in that type of environment.
There are many reasons that people don't join the movement: lack of educ., fear, culture, estab. institutional influence, greed, psychological discomfort, etc.
There's no doubt we need one, but "rational" is not the present system's strongpoint. I think you know that.
You blocked me......therefore stop leaving those lunatard messages on my channel. Why should I post what you write on my channel when you blocked me from the beginning?
in a resource based society, opinion won't hold value over facts, unlike now. In other words, decisions want be made based on someones opinion, but of research, findings, and past knowledge of the subject at hand to build upon. Very sound.
When you try to prove your point to other people, such as youtube, and the other opposes you, and you keep to your standing point of argument, that's called competing, to see who is right. Everyone is competitive. In fact, you seem pretty competitive on youtube because you seem rather persistent on proving your point to other people.
My friend deanjdk, all culture is inherited (duh!), should be unquestioned and does not comply to logic. True, it was me who said about the pheromones, however one cannot accomplish squat without them. The commies tried to mess with culture too. There is still no mention of any method of conditioning (whether it works or not) in the Venus Project. None worked so far. That's why I came up with that ridiculous (but possibly workable) idea. Should I mention again I hate any form of conditioning?
I appreciate your reply but your not getting my point at all x2t2x.If you claim to hate any form of conditioning then you would be all for this zeitgeist idea,when you go to a christian school in a christian country in a christian family then you are conditioned a christian.Culture is not your friend...culture..all of it...is your conditioning to make you self identify and separate from other cultures.the psychological implications are huge...do you understand what i am getting at?
I noticed that most people who side with Zeitgeist seem a little "attached". I've checked most of their profiles on youtube, and, most of their whole profile has countless Zeitgeist videos or lectures. Don't you think your letting Zeitgeist "condition" your mind a little too much? I could understand watching the movie and all, but to make it into a religion, don't you think that's, illogical?
Ironically MBreaker02..the idea of zeitgeist is to completely UNATTACH form your cutural conditioning both religious and self identifying/seperational. youve just demonstrated complete hypocrisy and misunderstanding of that which you try to slander
Slander? Hey, Their v-project sounds great and all, however I personally don't think that's going to change much of human behavior. As I said, your taking this way too serious, you gotta find a hobby.
deanjk, if you mess with pheromones on humans you can bring down cultural traits from a prime role to a non-significant level... At least you won't be able to create a a "collective consciousness" (a gross misinterpretation of fresco's ideas perpetrated on this topic) based on earth cultures alone. Which is fine because i don't believe social engineering is a good tool. However, an attempt of social engineering without any help of conditioning is a lame and useless attempt. False, too.
Firstly X2T2X,Nobody involved with the venus project is advocating using pheromones ...you are the one who brought this slant to the argument!!!UNQUESTIONED INHERITED ILLOGICAL CULTURE is used as the tool for further gain in the current system we have now and that is what the venus project aims,at this stage to highlight along with an image of our current technological capability and the reality of conditioning within society.
Are there any people in US-VIrginia who would like to keep in touch in regards to the advancements of the Venus Project??
We should try to contact each other to communicate developments, ask questions, and help others wrap their heads around this new social direction. It would be a great thing if we could organize small groups that do these things to help spread this message..
This is New Age nonsense...THE VIOLENCE OF COLLECTIVIZATION SHOULD BE AVOIDED...Thevenusproject is panoptic jail with a center all controlling eye...i dont care about u thumd down...This guy will be exposed pretty soon as much as Zeitgeist have been debunked...
if this Jacques Fresco will be exposed as much as zeitgeist has been debunked...then he wont be debunked at all.Quoting the bible to defend christianity is like somebody quoting from a book they wrote themselves and claiming it as evidence>also please explain how this is new age...The whole idea of the zeitgeist movement/venus project is to use LOGIC to understand the world and solve its problems..The whole new age thing is no different to a belief/faith based unquestioned inherited religion
It is scam...sorry but u wont convince me..New Age and Technocrates together is a dangerous combination for humanity...People following Zeitgeist and The Venus project are trying to guide the majority without been asked for....Why ? Coz as many NWO New Agers feels that they are more "evolved" than the rest coz their FAKE spirituality...Today, class positions will be replaced by spiritual positions. Eco-dictarship ? Man-god ? The whole new age thing is a soup of distorted religions and myths.
what are you on about little timmy? nobody is talking about spirituality or evolved people or new age. You have the right to remain skeptical and that is very much encouraged. The point of this is search for a more equal social system where knowledge is encouraged. As it stands now, it is just an idea.
if you are going to draw conclusions try to base it on something concrete rather than random name calling. But again this the youtube comment section... worse things have been written
The venus project sounds fine and all, but it seems like something is "not" right. That's what my intuition tells me. Now, if you want the V-project to become a reality, then own some land, build it, and have people join. Because I know that everyone will not want to be a part of it, that's why we have a multi-cultural world.
One more thing, history shows that no matter how "civil" a society progresses to be, corruption and bloodshed seems to never cease. Zeitgeist claims the monetary system the root of all modern corruption, competition, greed,etc. That's a half-truth. Money, competition, and technology are all double-edged swords. People misuse freedom from time to time. Not everyone is corrupt, neither is everyone a saint. People choose to be corrupt. ARe you corrupt? Or do you choose to be an activist?
If we got rid of money, we would have to be prepared for greed for technology. So the first thing that would need to happen is that we'd have to create a social and psychological revolution. In other words we would need to vastly educate people and we would also need to prepare them psychologically to be independent thinkers from greed. Symbiosis is key. The monetary system has to go though, because it is intrinsically greed-based. All it creates is bureaucracy, violence, and more greed.
No, actually we wouldn't. If you can't SELL anything, and all needs are met, there is no need for greed. People would be free from jobs to survive and thus tech and knowledge at the forefront; also community, family, travel, etc.
A VERY different incentive and very conducive environment for human creativity and tech advancement
Well, you'd still need to organize it first and decide which organizational method works best and most efficiently for society, AND you can be greedy for more things than just money. So it IS necessary to understand the benefits of a symbiotic relationship with society and why greed is a negative and harmful factor. And education would also DEFINITELY play a central role in this environment (actual education that works scientifically, not the education most kids get today in public schools).
Who's going to advocate that if people aren't educated with the right psychological mindset? Many people narcissistically enjoy being slaves to their own greed. They can't see the bigger picture. There are all kinds of neuroses out there due to living in a world where decisions are bound by universal/impersonal government rulings which do not address the key issues and problems underlying the causation of a need. These neuroses still exist and stand in the way of advocation of world citizenry.
"If you cant SELL anything, and all needs are met, there is no need for greed". I would have to respectively disagree with you. People get what they need everyday. Yet people have the "greed" concept of competition. It's a conscious choice to be greedy or not. The system doesn't make people greedy, people do. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'm sure your familiar with that phrase. Well in this case. The system does not corrupt people, people corrupt themselves. Are you corrupt?
I'm sorry, but I disagree. Your environment is key to your behavior....it shapes it. Living in a capitalistic society and a media that enforces it...t's constantly in our face showing us that we don't measure up if we don't have certain material things or a high enough status. It promotes greed. Even our self esteem is tied into it. I don't think you know how "molded" we all are and it's hard to realize that a system built for corruptions but yet pushes the opposite on us is very stressful
I think you're missing the point and I'm not trying to insult you, but you MUST research it to gain an understanding of it.
Our monetary system is corrupt, period, and capitalism pits us against each other for our primary needs. You must understand that this automatically produces corrupt behavior. Perhaps it easier for me to see this b/c psych and sociology are my buffs. We're using systems that are flawed from the beginning; not condusive to human flourishment AT ALL.
Corruption will exist no matter what system is in place, no matter how "good" people are treated, people always want more. History repeats itself, and war never changes. War does not determine who is right, only who is left. If you truly believe in the Venus Project, then build it, as I said. YOu can live in it and see if you like it or not. Everyone doesn't want to be part of it, it's why the project is not well known or even recognized by the academic committee.
I think it's obvious that there are some systems which are far less corrupt than others. And over the years humans have slowly become less corruptible through revolutionary thinking. The point is that governments do not address the issue of corruption because they are too impersonal and have corrupted themselves because of it. They simply throw whoever THEY deem "corrupt" into a prison system which spawns corruption. They act like they know us without intelligently addressing our problems.
Not everyone is corrupt in the government. It's a few that give a bad name to the Institution. Robert Byrd was identified as a former KKK member when he was in congress. So that led to speculation. That doesn't mean all Congressman are KKK members. It's a few in power, who really makes the others look very bad. Well, now when people think of the congress, they'll always remember that KKK member that was in congress, so they always have biased impressions of congressman, etc. Rather than a person
I don't think all are corrupt in congress..most people don't. I think people who care enough have spent the time to analyze how the system works and who controls what. I don't even look at corrupt behavior as vile anymore.....it's expected in this environment.
True. in regard to human value though, a social system that values EACH person's life and all are equal gives all humans value and placement in society, plus contributing to society community wise is very rewarding. The system we're under now has social hierarchy and devalues outsiders. Millions are murdered through war. Capitalism upholds no value to human life, only in rhetorical ways.
I know not everyone in the government is in the KKK nor was I implying that in my last comment. I'm saying that the institution of government in and of itself is corrupt and corrupts people who are part of it because it is bureaucratic and greed-driven. It attempts to address specific issues as universals and is too large and sloppy to hone in on and solve specific problems within society. There are other ways to solve these problems, but our answer to everything is "government law."
Fear of retribution, lack of knowledge, and a closed mind is all that's keeping the solutions to our worlds problems from being implemented.
There are over 30 million world wide advocates; at least 500 million will make it significant enough to enact change in established power. Significant numbers cannot be ignored.
The solutions are there. The people need to step up and give their time to see it to fruition. It is a milestone for humanity and should be seen as such. Long over due.
You could be right, or you could be wrong. Who knows, just do what you think is right. I'm just going by experience as a cop. I've seen and heard almost all the excuses for people's choices in crime. They always had a reason for crime, they always try to blame something else because their ego has become so corrupt that they won't allow reality to set in. If you really want to solve the mystery to greed and corruption, study forensic psychology. You'll learn a thing or two.
Actually I have a degree in psychology and sociology: the study of people. I study groups of people and an emphasis on behavior, especially. Behavior is shaped by the environment....and in a sound environment, very different behavior is the end product. Study psychology, behavior and sociology, you might learn a thing or two yourself. For the record, I was the sole sex offender probation officer for 2 counties. I do know behavior...the most manipulative kind.
Ok that came off a little abrasive and arrogant, but I'm responding to your telling me to learn a thing or two. I know what you see as an officer, ive seen it too, but you're not trained to analyze their behavior, but to get them off the street.
I like forensics btw, and I've done a little profiling myself, unprofessional of course, but trained nonetheless.
No offense. But to top off the origins of competition, greed, etc. Sometimes we are competitive and we don't even know it. It's become second nature to us. But what about the competition of reproduction? Isn't that natural. I think competition is just a process of proving their value to one another for a specific purpose. And people want to be valuable because it grants higher position in hierarchy. And with all species, hierarchy is prime, including our race. It's nature to have hierarchy.
Competition of reproduction is natural; animalistic, but education can afford us a better knowledge of our genes and reproduction. For instance, in regard to evolutionary psychology or the biological sciences, people don't realize that they're genes are being passed on through their bro and sisters, regardless if they reproduce themselves. Wanting your specific genes passed on has been instilled through social policy and religion, plus our ego and selfish desires play a part.
If you want to survive then participating and understanding nature is not contradictory, therefore wonderful. . If you want to survive but participate in the monetary system then that is contradictory, since money makes us basically fight each other.
Thank you for your wisdom Mr. Fresco. You are a man ahead of your time but I see you have been talking this wisdom since 1974.
The venus project looks so exciting. I believe we can all make a difference. Self awareness and empowerment are going to lead us out of the prison planet.
A world we all should be living in but cant because its all about the money, we are living in a world runed by stupid ideots who dont know what the hell their doing-
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I'm not here to discredit Fresco's effort but he should REALLY stick to economy topics and leave out the social and civilizational ones. He clearly made a blunder with "being responsible" - which is clearly an individualistic trait. No bee, ant or termite was, is or will be responsible in any way, they're chemically conditioned to do so. Responsibility and conditioning Fresco seems to advocate are quite contradictory. Sorry to burst your bubble but this one is flawed big time.
If you didn't hate anyone because of religous, sexual, racial, etc differences, you didn't feel greed, jelousy or even dislike anyone the slightest bit for any reason - Of course, you'd be responsible. There would be no reason NOT to be responsible to anything if there was no reason to hate, dislike or even not approve of anything. Your arguments are seriously flawed. You need to think - and wake up.
"being responsible" WOULDN'T be an individualistic trait, it would be a global trait.
With time, we will become a collective consciousness, infact we ARE currently seperated groups of different collective consciousness, the idea is to make it ONE. To UNIFY. To remove the point in hating eachother, remove the point of greed, remove the point of disliking anyone for any reason at all. There are many cases of depression the cities because people feel GREED and HATE there.
The countryside is spared because of exactly what you said, we dont have to if we don't want to. And no, we're not DESTINED to live in small groups - We're destined to unify. Become One people. Become one civilization, not perfect but much closer to perfect than we are now.
No its not.There is a big difference from bees to humans.Personality is developed due to the second by second incoming of information from the 5 senses from the second you are born till now .Your perspective on the world and how you relate to it is culturally developed ...not inbuilt..its just complex.A jewish baby brought up from day one in a nazi family with nazi friends in a nazi school and taught nazi ideology will be a nazi.If you dont believe any i say please state why so we can all learn
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Silversobe, do tell me what are you smoking, I want that weed too... we cannot become a "collective consciousness", we're not ants, bees nor termites. Unless we become a pheromone-engineered race, of course. Maybe you have watched too much Sci-fi later, are you impersonating a taelon or what?
X2T2X----when a group of people work together to increase efficiency or solve a problem...they do not display the mentality of ants or termites AND it is not necessary to become a pheromone -injected race in order to gain from working together.....its much quicker/easier to hang a door with 2 people if you know what i mean
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Seraph, quite the contrary, it IS in our nature to be egoistic... and not only that... our social capabilities have emerged while the humans roamed the Earth is small groups... we're still - unconsciously - attracted by this kind of living which has inprinted in our genes. That's why there is so many cases of depression, violence and alienation in large cities while the countryside seems spared. We have been DESTINED to live in small groups... although we don't have to, if we don't want to...
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You know what, I'm not free but I'm happy owning what I have... why don't you donate all your wealth to Fresco and go in front of his house and beg him to adopt you... he will undeniably offer you a better ego for that... you'll be "free" to roam around like a beggar....
P.S. It's not "this ego" that makes you selfish... any ego will do it. (it's ego's nature... try to "educate" your genes, behaviouristic moron... )
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Rednoob... it's not the society responsible for your ego, dumbfuck. There are your parents and each and every personal experience, up to the age of 2 (or more, in your case.. you still suck your finger, right?) Even if you're going to grow in a hut in the middle of the forest, you'll eventually get an ego, you know? Unless you're that feral child, running with the wolves...
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Oh, lol, the rednoob acquaintance! The man surfing up and down the zeitgeist threads and gratifying as noobs everyone who happen to cross his unfortunate person! Man, try look into the mirror... you'll see the retard right there... no need for any "fucking research".
Go to the main zeitgeist website..there you will find a lecture in which peter joseph talks about the evidence of nature and nurture with examples...youll see that scientifically it is the environment that shapes a person not genetics
The only way to assume there will be a society which people will give up at their own will requires brainwashing and chemically / hipnotically engineer people from birth to adulthood in order not to develop an ego. (the "I" stuff) But they will be zombies, deprived of individuality.
Sorry but I think you don't know what ego is. Every individual has a "little man" inside his mind which says "I want that, I keep that, I don't share that". Well, the "I" is the ego. You will simply be unsuccesful in order to convince people to give up their stuff. And - like the communists of the past - will have to employ violence to make them give it up. Their ego (normally acquired at age of 2) won't allow it.
Sorry, but you're a retard, do your fucking research before you make stupid statements like that. An ego is something that our current society has produced.
You only have that little annoying voice because your potential has not been reached.
In other words, you aren't free, and somehow in your little twisted mind, you've decided that that's a good thing, wake the hell up.
Those who see the private ownership as being parasitical on the public one may think it's time to remove the private one. Quite the contrary, the public ownership should be removed and given private property social responsibities and privileges. One may argue we're going backwards to aristocratic times, but at least those were visible and had responsibilities. Today's administration boards have more power than past aristocrats and no responsibility whatsoever.
You cannot "educate" an entire society to give up private rights upon land, building and goods unless you're removing their ego (and I mean literally). And if you remove someone's ego, you remove someone's individuality, you're going to have a herd of zombies, not humans. Vices cannot be removed through social engineering, only through individual education.
If you remove someone's ego you remove their individuality?? Dude are you serious. So you are saying if someone decides to give up their land because they feel it is for the greater good or whatever reason they may have, everything else that makes that person who they are disappears as well?? Sorry, I completely disagree. They will still have their likes, dislikes, opinions etc. That's what makes a person an individual.
Responsibility means private property. The public property won't bring any responsibility. In fact corruption comes from the mere existence of public property - which has no real supporters. If we'd live in a 100% private property there would be no corruption, since every body would take care of his/her property or ownership.
Please let me take part in evolution,and keep God!Only thing I can do is promise not to push my theory on anyone else!Darwin,and the Bible are from the same reality,and both are considered higher knowledge according to their time,and place!Why can't I be allowed to seek my own truth anywhere I choose!For me both spirit,and empirical truth are important to have for broader awareness of reality!I want to take part in this future,but I won't deny God because I am less important than him,(an ant)!
Can't we have both scientific understanding,and higher power?I've never understood the conflict!The people who are so out spoken about God not existing seem resentful!As if angry at God more than unaware of our connection to the divine!Why is it so hard to think about empirical truth,and spiritual truth as connected!Jaque needs to study more quantum theory!Why can't the big bang be God saying,"Let there be light"?The only absolute truth is God,and all the rest remains in multiplicity,or flux!
From my understanding, I feel that the Venus Project is a proposal to develope a technologicaly advanced version of a subsistance economy but on a larger scale.
jaque's last line is golden
Periphery830 2 months ago
He's so right about the deity thing. It's seems very hypocritical when people claim "God does everything for a reason" and then if there is a death they are sad...I'm just thinking...
Zgamer618 1 year ago
@Zgamer618 Yeah, or they say something like, "You know, if God wasn't with me I could have died" my mom said that multiple times.
But then when someone actually dies, they never mention God.
gibbsies 1 year ago
@gibbsies It's almost if people deep down don't really believe it...
Zgamer618 1 year ago
@Zgamer618 No it's just that most of them don't know what they are even believing in. Most religious people are told they are religious at birth, never taught to think about it but just to accept it. And things can get lost in the translation, so everyone believes in their own version of the religion. People will believe the parts that have nothing to do with them but not the parts that directly affect them.
Check out Doug Stanhope talking about religion, super funny and super accurate.
gibbsies 1 year ago
@gibbsies I have considered that before
Zgamer618 1 year ago
@Zgamer618 I'm sure you have, I just like to rant sometimes lol
gibbsies 1 year ago
@gibbsies Was also suprised to see someone respond so quick on ZM/VP videos.
Zgamer618 1 year ago
@Zgamer618 Oh man I have been so into TVP lately, I've been getting all the info I can. I first watched the Zeitgeist movies in '08 and felt sooo good about it afterwards, but then I had to go back to high school the next day, and the next day, and the next day. And eventually that strips all the inspiration out of you. But since I've been out of school I've come back to it and I believe in it more than ever. I'm planning on going to Venus, Florida in the next few years to see it in person. :)
gibbsies 1 year ago
@gibbsies I also saw the zeitgiest film in highschool, many poeple in my highschool saw it actually. Learned about the VP from the second film, now considering joing local chapter.
Zgamer618 1 year ago
@Zgamer618 Nobody at my school really ever talked about it until just the last year. But most people were talking about other things. I think it got shown in a social studies class one year, but only the first film I'm pretty sure.
gibbsies 1 year ago
@gibbsies You'd think we wouldn't be allowed to see that in school. Lol, my teacher showed me Loose Change in 9th grade.
Zgamer618 1 year ago
@Zgamer618 Well the main socials teacher at my school, Mr. Weiler was a really open minded guy and he did a lot of research and he told us about current events in advance so we would know what was going on. He pointed out the atrocities going on in Israel which I thought was very admirable. He mentioned the 9/11 conspiracies maybe once or twice but never went into discussion about it. But that's fine because it hasn't technically been proven one way or another.
gibbsies 1 year ago
@gibbsies I had an open minded teacher as well.
Zgamer618 1 year ago
@Zgamer618 That's good, that's what the world needs. But that still won't fix the education system, sadly. But that's what we have Jacque for :)
gibbsies 1 year ago
@gibbsies Well, not him personally, but his technical ideas, you know, we can't have a messiah and all.
Zgamer618 1 year ago
@Zgamer618 Oh i know, but it doesn't seem like anyone else has the right solutions. Lol i feel like were debating nothing
gibbsies 1 year ago
@gibbsies agreed :)
Zgamer618 1 year ago
1 guy let the deity decide for him
Juefawn 1 year ago
I´m responsable for what am i, and who am i, that are the limits of responsability for a single human, as the other animals on earth.
Phonologie 1 year ago
#"The female eats the male, and im not talking about Phonography im talking about digestion them#" LOL
MagnitudePerson 1 year ago
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When a men have that certain needs of making hem self through that stage of losing a high numbers of "sperms" infamy! He is the one that is losing he's conscientiousness of killing in mass their lives proteins...
bikines 1 year ago
LOL "the female eats the male, and im not talking about pornography, i'm not talking about digestion." CLASSIC
999silverrush 1 year ago 18
Jacque seemed very happy in this interview. I wonder why he is so serious today... It certainly does make people take him more seriously
Lukezzz93 2 years ago
Lets fulfill our limitless potential. Together.
ClockworkSublime 2 years ago
I also want to add that while each and every society on Earth advocates for a limited form of personal freedom (for the same reason you brought up - preserving others' freedom too), the zeitgeist movement proclaims a kinda absolutist viewpoint on personal freedom (which ressembles maoism) like we should be ashamed of our ego. Not even Church and religion dared to go that far (a sect/cult strives for an "esprit de corps" but you rarely find one trying to supress individual traits and goals).
X2T2X 2 years ago
The point is that we're all one organism, we all have more or less the same goal. We all came form the same thing, we're all part of this world. You are everyhting, and everything is you.
renoo27 2 years ago
And helping one another is what brings us happiness and joy. As John Perkins said:
"We can call it spirituality, but the fact of the matter is joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. Thats our god spirit. Thats that side of ourselves that really feels it, and you can feel it deep inside you. Its this amazing wonderful feeling, and you know it when you get it. You dont get it from money, you get it from connection.
renoo27 2 years ago
you can speak kind words but real life is sweat, tears and blood. It doesn't look like you described it. And there's no technology or magic on this universe that can change it.
X2T2X 2 years ago
At the moment it is. And why do you think that is?
From the moment we're born, we're taught to support the system, and "war is natural", and "our society is right". Come on figure it out, it's not that hard.
And, indeed, technology can't change that. The change has to come from within us.
renoo27 2 years ago
Well if you really believe that then I think that Fresco's followers are more of a cult than a bunch of science guys. You're looking for a saviour (even if hidden deep within each of us) and for redemption. Yes, there are vast resources available in each of us but the price is pure subjectivity. Follow that path and you're walking on buddhism. On the other hand if you pursue only objective science facts you're walking toward a commie-like cybernetic society. One path forbids the other, though.
X2T2X 2 years ago
You gotta stop feeling the need to label everything. This isn't about religion, this is about us, humans. Religion just distracts us. Science helps us search for answers.
renoo27 2 years ago
You must certainly realise that there are religions that allow you to explore your inner self the way you described it and there are also science-based ideologies which can led to a totalitarian mayhem. You're the one who talks in slogans. If I'd say "Science just distracts us. Religion helps us search for answers" I'm certain you'd think "another brainwashed moron". Science is only a method of work and analysis. If someone warns you about being self-deluded that's not labelling. It's a fact.
X2T2X 2 years ago
Dude... searching for answers is what the Scientific Method is all about. That's a fact.
"Science just distracts us. Religion helps us search for answers."
That just doesn't make sense. Religion HAS asnwers, but has nothing to back them up. Science LOOKS for answers through experimentation and... well, what Jacque's saying in this video.
"You must certainly realise that there are religions that allow you to explore your inner self."
Yes, but we don't NEED it. That's what I'm
renoo27 2 years ago
trying to say. We can be fully empowered on our own.
renoo27 2 years ago
Okay... Now we're talking. If all you want is an ANSWER your best bet is religion because science does not provide answers per se, it merely provides room for more questions. When a disciple asked him why he was doubting so much, a greek mathematician drew 2 circles on the ground, the bigger one representing his knowledge while the smaller one his disciple's knowledge. Analysing the circle circumference, he made it clear to his apprentice that more QUESTIONS arise the more you know.
X2T2X 2 years ago
Different ones, of course but nevertheless more QUESTIONS. You're out of luck: science won't quench your thirst for answers. You say you love science but you're faking it. A science follower loves science for questions, not for answers. That's why I think you'd be better served by religion. Pick one, the rest will follow.
X2T2X 2 years ago
"Science follower"? What the hell is that? Seriously you're making groups up as you go along now.
Anyway, need I repeat myself? I SAID Religion provides answers, but they're backed by nothing but blind faith. Science SEARCHES for an answer.
Ahem... yeah, maybe you're right. Indeed more questions may arise, but that's the beauty of it. We're all emergant beings, meaning that we have the ability to recieve any new information.
renoo27 2 years ago
Why do you think scientists love questions? Because it's a chance to learn something else.
renoo27 2 years ago 12
@renoo27 They love to ask questions buy they hate to be questioned.
Mauhadeeb28 1 year ago
I agree we live in a globally corrupt system and sometimes a (non-violent) revolution is needed but there are problems ahead. Of course it has to start from somewhere and I also agree the general awareness program is a good thing but you cannot deny both fascist and communist movements proclaimed they have beneficial goals. Judging from the mistakes of the past I don't think people will let you (or anyone) to mess with their values. Especially when dealing with sensible spots like freedom.
X2T2X 2 years ago
Why are you zeitgeistians so supportive for conditioning? If I'm against any form of conditioning that also means I'm free to chose which conditioning I prefer from a large list. And so should you. I've been living for most of my youth in a (now former) communist country and yet I'm not a commie and never was. Being a free person means 2 things: private property and the right to choose. At all levels. If you cannot have one of these (or worse, both) then you dream of North Corea.
X2T2X 2 years ago
The Zeitgeist "human conditioning" is to help us see our lives as being a part of a global community. Your perception of a free person only pertains to satisfy your own "freedom", and it's all about "yourself". Having the right to choose also means having the right to make choices that hurt others. Is that really freedom? A little bit more "freedom of choice" for you, a little bit less freedom of choice for someone else. Is that fair?
lugia3 2 years ago
This isn't about people being corrupt, this is about people being mislead and believing that they are doing the right thing, which they are not, obviously. To be honest this isn't taken seriously enough, people are being ignorant, just like yourself. People can really be astonishingly ignorant.
Watchdawg 2 years ago
And your the judge to determine who does right or wrong? Spare me the bullshit. And what you just said is a oxymoron. You need to take english again.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
The Venus project = " 1984 " ( read the book and see the film ) an Orwellian society where no one will scape from be watched in the name of a resource based economy. People will fight back this totalitarian collectivism. The answer is not the brutal selfish capitalism of today but neither this forced collectivism. People themselves will make the way out not this bunch of technocrats.
Obataladance 2 years ago
I see that you blocked me BEFORE I've even responded. What are you afraid of? A better life?
blaziermissy 2 years ago
I just dont want to waste my time with people like u, nothing to do with fears...I got my reasons and right to believe what i say and i am afraid of no one..Please stop insisting writing back to me..u wont convince me.I blocked u coz i have nothing to discuss with u..I got already an idea about who u are. The Venus proiect as much as Zeitgeist are both part of the NWO...if u support them, well u are one of them..but anyway..time will show who was right or wrong.
Obataladance 2 years ago
Established power has already implemented similar sounding projects with mimicking buzz words that are similar...one world...help the world...etc. but the venus project is different altogether. It is NOT connected to established power, Obtaladance.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
I suggest u should read what the good hearted hackers are posting out there...Do u knows who is behind the RBEF ? ( resource based economy fund ) Do u knows who is behind the fake NEW AGE ideology ? I have been personally tracking the New Agers for the last 15 years, for this i spent long time in Asia and in southamerica, among the "illuminated " "spiritual " ones...not. I wasnt payed by any institutions, just my passion is Socioethnology and ancient myths. New age is a sick idelogy.
Obataladance 2 years ago
I know EXACTLY who is behind the Venus project. All you're doing is falling prey to propoganda designed to keep the established, corrupt power in place.
Your labeling of Jacque Fresco and Peter Joseph is out of your own ignorance and superstitional bias. They are good, decent people who are trying to change this world for ALL, unlike different divisionary religious instititutions politically pushed by established power. Wake up. Use your brain, and stop blocking me like an unfair child.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Competition doesn't end with cooperation wise. Competition is a fundamental process we have that we barely recognize. It's helps us survive.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
So you've been taught by our flawed sysem.
COOPERATION is how we've survived. 99% of human existance has bee egalitarian. Read up.
competition will be our demise.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
If you say so.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
I sent you a short vid about competition, greed, and the latest scientific studies done in London Universities about psycho social stress. Only 10 minutes long...
blaziermissy 2 years ago
this is not true. competition is just as inherited as any other cultural trait.Its because of unnecessary and power consolidating competition that we have the world destroyed by unethical systems of profit gain...if you disagree with that then you have demonstrated ,beyond doubt ,that you do not understand the full impact the current system has on the psychology of man and the destruction of environment.
deanjdk 2 years ago
Have you checked out the "The Obama Deception" on youtube? Good stuff.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
I haven't watched the Obama D. yet...but I will.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
I watched it. Not impressed. I would like to see other informal videos besides resourcing from Peter Joseph. I already know his standing points. I think it be better to hear others that share the same view, not all of it coming from one group with one purpose.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
huh? He cited several different major studies, as well as others outside of London universities.
The conclusions of the studies are scientifically are peer reviewed. Whom or what universities/ scientist/clergy/spagetti monster would you trust to peer review the findings before you lend the info credibility?
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Yes, he did. However, he's using those cited resources to credit his solutions, the "universities/scientist" did not speak, so you can't possibly know what they would prefer to solve issues of today. That's the reason why Peter Joseph and his "cited" resources are not the voice of the people. That's why many people aren't joining, because it doesn't make "common sense". Until a mass majority of people, I'm talking billions of people, at least half the earth population, than I would consider it.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
People aren't stupid. People are rational. The science of economics shows that people make choices based on what is rational. In this situation, it would be very irrational to consider or even trust the people of The Zeitgeist Movement. Why? One, Zeitgeist lacks sound proof. Two, Jacque Fresco has been pushing his ideas for more than 30 years, and still no one is buying into it. Three, After 30 years no one is still buying into it except a few. And lastly, intuition tell us they are hypocrites.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
"People are rational"-are you serious?its because of lack of logic that things are the way they are.
"The science of economics shows that people make choices based on what is rational"- The science of economics shows us people DO NOT make choices based on what is rational!
The aim of zeitgeist is to get to the root ofthe problem rather than just screaming NWO.The problem is unethical systems of profit gain created and perpetuated by culture.There is so much your not considering here...
deanjdk 2 years ago
Yeah. On your first comment. Competition based systems were created by people to begin with. It doesn't work the other way around. So if you want to rectify anything, look in the mirror.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
ok..iv looked into the mirror..iv realized that me and everybody around me have been cultured into a nonlogical method of life and the only way to solve it is to use logic and stop holding onto my inherited non questioned cultural trains of thought as any form of inherited self identification....now i suggest you do the same MBreaker
deanjdk 2 years ago
Hey man, I know that the world isn't perfect, I know that some people are corrupt, but, don't you think your taking this whole Zeitgeist thing a little too far? I've watched the movie and lecture etc. But, I don't let it consume my mind to where I start sounding like a bunch of Peter Joseph's or Jacque Fresco's like many do on youtube. I'm just suggesting that maybe your taking this too serious. Wouldn't you agree. Everyone isn't corrupt. The world isn't dying. Exponential growth is present.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
Yet again MBreaker ..if you believe the world is ok..then there is no point arguing with you..exponential growth is not a good thing..search for "story of stuff" on youtube it will give you a small insight to how unethical systems of profit gain create absolute misery in the world.thousands of people die of starvation a day...for example,,discover why africa is the way it is.that fact we are having this arguement proves we have just been lucky to have been born outside extreme poverty
deanjdk 2 years ago
Are you listening to anything I'm saying or are do you like to hear or see yourself talk on youtube. I said the world isn't perfect didn't I, did I not. Let me say it again. The world is not perfect, there is corruption, but not everyone is corrupt, it's a few who gives everyone a bad name. As I said man, your taking this way too serious.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
I think it's a very far-fetched goal as well, but I believe that it is needed to create awareness. The fact that many people do take it seriously just shows that perhaps more and more people are beginning to feel the effects of the corrupt system. All ideas have to start from somewhere. Personally, I think it was about time the Zeitgeist movement emerged.
lugia3 2 years ago
Yes, people are rational, you may not understand why certain people make the decisions they do, but people are rational. Hey, what school do you attend?
MBreaker02 2 years ago
He's using those "cited" resources to credit his solutions. Duh. Could it be because the info coincides?
Not the voice of the people....
:P Science isn't the voice of the people. Average people/layperson has an opinion; science deals with facts and evidence. Doesn't make common sense? lol...it is common sense mixed with science and highter, critical thinking skills.
80% of the U.S. is undereducated. Your point?
Wanting half the people to agree before you. common sense?
blaziermissy 2 years ago
I'm saying his solutions aren't reflections of the universities that he got his resources from. The Universities or Scientists could have a very different view of how to solve things.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
That goes back to my original question to you. You gave me a video to Peter Joseph's lecture for more info. But it's all coming from the same guy. What I was implying to you, is that can you give me a credible resource of information that share the same or similar ideas or solutions as Peter Joseph or Jacque Fresco. And my second point was that his resources from universities still was filtered through Peter Joseph.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
Peter Joseph doesn't have to worry about losing his job, Univ. employees, for the most part, do. All institutions support the establishment. I don't think I have to spell it out. We all have to eat.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
If his solutions are truly needed either now or in the near future, why aren't people coming up with similar solutions as Peter Joseph. If our society is in a emergent need of a resource based economy, why aren't people joining the movement? Maybe it's because we don't "NEED" a resource based economy. It's all about being rational. That's how people are.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
There are similar movements emerging but they can never work under a monetary/competitive based system, as corruption will always ensue in that type of environment.
There are many reasons that people don't join the movement: lack of educ., fear, culture, estab. institutional influence, greed, psychological discomfort, etc.
There's no doubt we need one, but "rational" is not the present system's strongpoint. I think you know that.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
You blocked me......therefore stop leaving those lunatard messages on my channel. Why should I post what you write on my channel when you blocked me from the beginning?
blaziermissy 2 years ago
in a resource based society, opinion won't hold value over facts, unlike now. In other words, decisions want be made based on someones opinion, but of research, findings, and past knowledge of the subject at hand to build upon. Very sound.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Your not competitive at all? I believe you.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
I was when I was younger, I'm not.....anymore.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
When you try to prove your point to other people, such as youtube, and the other opposes you, and you keep to your standing point of argument, that's called competing, to see who is right. Everyone is competitive. In fact, you seem pretty competitive on youtube because you seem rather persistent on proving your point to other people.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
My friend deanjdk, all culture is inherited (duh!), should be unquestioned and does not comply to logic. True, it was me who said about the pheromones, however one cannot accomplish squat without them. The commies tried to mess with culture too. There is still no mention of any method of conditioning (whether it works or not) in the Venus Project. None worked so far. That's why I came up with that ridiculous (but possibly workable) idea. Should I mention again I hate any form of conditioning?
X2T2X 2 years ago
I appreciate your reply but your not getting my point at all x2t2x.If you claim to hate any form of conditioning then you would be all for this zeitgeist idea,when you go to a christian school in a christian country in a christian family then you are conditioned a christian.Culture is not your friend...culture..all of it...is your conditioning to make you self identify and separate from other cultures.the psychological implications are huge...do you understand what i am getting at?
deanjdk 2 years ago
I noticed that most people who side with Zeitgeist seem a little "attached". I've checked most of their profiles on youtube, and, most of their whole profile has countless Zeitgeist videos or lectures. Don't you think your letting Zeitgeist "condition" your mind a little too much? I could understand watching the movie and all, but to make it into a religion, don't you think that's, illogical?
MBreaker02 2 years ago
Ironically MBreaker02..the idea of zeitgeist is to completely UNATTACH form your cutural conditioning both religious and self identifying/seperational. youve just demonstrated complete hypocrisy and misunderstanding of that which you try to slander
deanjdk 2 years ago
Slander? Hey, Their v-project sounds great and all, however I personally don't think that's going to change much of human behavior. As I said, your taking this way too serious, you gotta find a hobby.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
deanjk, if you mess with pheromones on humans you can bring down cultural traits from a prime role to a non-significant level... At least you won't be able to create a a "collective consciousness" (a gross misinterpretation of fresco's ideas perpetrated on this topic) based on earth cultures alone. Which is fine because i don't believe social engineering is a good tool. However, an attempt of social engineering without any help of conditioning is a lame and useless attempt. False, too.
X2T2X 2 years ago
Firstly X2T2X,Nobody involved with the venus project is advocating using pheromones ...you are the one who brought this slant to the argument!!!UNQUESTIONED INHERITED ILLOGICAL CULTURE is used as the tool for further gain in the current system we have now and that is what the venus project aims,at this stage to highlight along with an image of our current technological capability and the reality of conditioning within society.
deanjdk 2 years ago
Self decision and sufficiency is key
We can do it
silversobe 2 years ago
Such a lucid and coherent man for his age. He's such an inspiration for everyone.
HailRasec 2 years ago 3
together we can overcome money
HMSwarrior 2 years ago 4
Are there any people in US-VIrginia who would like to keep in touch in regards to the advancements of the Venus Project??
We should try to contact each other to communicate developments, ask questions, and help others wrap their heads around this new social direction. It would be a great thing if we could organize small groups that do these things to help spread this message..
Thank you.
yianki1020 2 years ago 3
.....the trouble with this man is....there isn't enough of his kind! :O)
silversurfers7 2 years ago 18
Then you should start being more like him?
; )
hmoob7 2 years ago 3
?? Then thats not his trouble...
Nobodymikoo 2 years ago 2
You got that right. God bless you (jk)
xxjacobxx3 2 years ago 3
make these videos longer please
mythros1 2 years ago 5
if you have a golf ball size view of the world...he wouldn't make sense just yet to people....or TV size view of the world...is better...right.
greenthums 2 years ago 2
could somebody give me a transcript for this video?I cant get some of this guy's words
xTylerDurden90x 2 years ago
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This is New Age nonsense...THE VIOLENCE OF COLLECTIVIZATION SHOULD BE AVOIDED...Thevenusproject is panoptic jail with a center all controlling eye...i dont care about u thumd down...This guy will be exposed pretty soon as much as Zeitgeist have been debunked...
Obataladance 2 years ago
if this Jacques Fresco will be exposed as much as zeitgeist has been debunked...then he wont be debunked at all.Quoting the bible to defend christianity is like somebody quoting from a book they wrote themselves and claiming it as evidence>also please explain how this is new age...The whole idea of the zeitgeist movement/venus project is to use LOGIC to understand the world and solve its problems..The whole new age thing is no different to a belief/faith based unquestioned inherited religion
deanjdk 2 years ago
It is scam...sorry but u wont convince me..New Age and Technocrates together is a dangerous combination for humanity...People following Zeitgeist and The Venus project are trying to guide the majority without been asked for....Why ? Coz as many NWO New Agers feels that they are more "evolved" than the rest coz their FAKE spirituality...Today, class positions will be replaced by spiritual positions. Eco-dictarship ? Man-god ? The whole new age thing is a soup of distorted religions and myths.
Obataladance 2 years ago
what are you on about little timmy? nobody is talking about spirituality or evolved people or new age. You have the right to remain skeptical and that is very much encouraged. The point of this is search for a more equal social system where knowledge is encouraged. As it stands now, it is just an idea.
if you are going to draw conclusions try to base it on something concrete rather than random name calling. But again this the youtube comment section... worse things have been written
waspbr 2 years ago
please do some research concerning it. It's the most logical society we could ever have in place.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
The venus project sounds fine and all, but it seems like something is "not" right. That's what my intuition tells me. Now, if you want the V-project to become a reality, then own some land, build it, and have people join. Because I know that everyone will not want to be a part of it, that's why we have a multi-cultural world.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
One more thing, history shows that no matter how "civil" a society progresses to be, corruption and bloodshed seems to never cease. Zeitgeist claims the monetary system the root of all modern corruption, competition, greed,etc. That's a half-truth. Money, competition, and technology are all double-edged swords. People misuse freedom from time to time. Not everyone is corrupt, neither is everyone a saint. People choose to be corrupt. ARe you corrupt? Or do you choose to be an activist?
MBreaker02 2 years ago
If we got rid of money, we would have to be prepared for greed for technology. So the first thing that would need to happen is that we'd have to create a social and psychological revolution. In other words we would need to vastly educate people and we would also need to prepare them psychologically to be independent thinkers from greed. Symbiosis is key. The monetary system has to go though, because it is intrinsically greed-based. All it creates is bureaucracy, violence, and more greed.
seanotube85 2 years ago
No, actually we wouldn't. If you can't SELL anything, and all needs are met, there is no need for greed. People would be free from jobs to survive and thus tech and knowledge at the forefront; also community, family, travel, etc.
A VERY different incentive and very conducive environment for human creativity and tech advancement
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Well, you'd still need to organize it first and decide which organizational method works best and most efficiently for society, AND you can be greedy for more things than just money. So it IS necessary to understand the benefits of a symbiotic relationship with society and why greed is a negative and harmful factor. And education would also DEFINITELY play a central role in this environment (actual education that works scientifically, not the education most kids get today in public schools).
seanotube85 2 years ago
I agree. Organizational methods are needed but first and foremost is the advocation of the world citizenry.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Who's going to advocate that if people aren't educated with the right psychological mindset? Many people narcissistically enjoy being slaves to their own greed. They can't see the bigger picture. There are all kinds of neuroses out there due to living in a world where decisions are bound by universal/impersonal government rulings which do not address the key issues and problems underlying the causation of a need. These neuroses still exist and stand in the way of advocation of world citizenry.
seanotube85 2 years ago
"If you cant SELL anything, and all needs are met, there is no need for greed". I would have to respectively disagree with you. People get what they need everyday. Yet people have the "greed" concept of competition. It's a conscious choice to be greedy or not. The system doesn't make people greedy, people do. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'm sure your familiar with that phrase. Well in this case. The system does not corrupt people, people corrupt themselves. Are you corrupt?
MBreaker02 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but I disagree. Your environment is key to your behavior....it shapes it. Living in a capitalistic society and a media that enforces it...t's constantly in our face showing us that we don't measure up if we don't have certain material things or a high enough status. It promotes greed. Even our self esteem is tied into it. I don't think you know how "molded" we all are and it's hard to realize that a system built for corruptions but yet pushes the opposite on us is very stressful
blaziermissy 2 years ago
I think you're missing the point and I'm not trying to insult you, but you MUST research it to gain an understanding of it.
Our monetary system is corrupt, period, and capitalism pits us against each other for our primary needs. You must understand that this automatically produces corrupt behavior. Perhaps it easier for me to see this b/c psych and sociology are my buffs. We're using systems that are flawed from the beginning; not condusive to human flourishment AT ALL.
Corruption is inev.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Corruption will exist no matter what system is in place, no matter how "good" people are treated, people always want more. History repeats itself, and war never changes. War does not determine who is right, only who is left. If you truly believe in the Venus Project, then build it, as I said. YOu can live in it and see if you like it or not. Everyone doesn't want to be part of it, it's why the project is not well known or even recognized by the academic committee.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
I think it's obvious that there are some systems which are far less corrupt than others. And over the years humans have slowly become less corruptible through revolutionary thinking. The point is that governments do not address the issue of corruption because they are too impersonal and have corrupted themselves because of it. They simply throw whoever THEY deem "corrupt" into a prison system which spawns corruption. They act like they know us without intelligently addressing our problems.
seanotube85 2 years ago
Not everyone is corrupt in the government. It's a few that give a bad name to the Institution. Robert Byrd was identified as a former KKK member when he was in congress. So that led to speculation. That doesn't mean all Congressman are KKK members. It's a few in power, who really makes the others look very bad. Well, now when people think of the congress, they'll always remember that KKK member that was in congress, so they always have biased impressions of congressman, etc. Rather than a person
MBreaker02 2 years ago
I don't think all are corrupt in congress..most people don't. I think people who care enough have spent the time to analyze how the system works and who controls what. I don't even look at corrupt behavior as vile anymore.....it's expected in this environment.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Yeah, sometimes you have to do a little bad to get more good, at least that's how some people think ha.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
True. in regard to human value though, a social system that values EACH person's life and all are equal gives all humans value and placement in society, plus contributing to society community wise is very rewarding. The system we're under now has social hierarchy and devalues outsiders. Millions are murdered through war. Capitalism upholds no value to human life, only in rhetorical ways.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
I know not everyone in the government is in the KKK nor was I implying that in my last comment. I'm saying that the institution of government in and of itself is corrupt and corrupts people who are part of it because it is bureaucratic and greed-driven. It attempts to address specific issues as universals and is too large and sloppy to hone in on and solve specific problems within society. There are other ways to solve these problems, but our answer to everything is "government law."
seanotube85 2 years ago
Fear of retribution, lack of knowledge, and a closed mind is all that's keeping the solutions to our worlds problems from being implemented.
There are over 30 million world wide advocates; at least 500 million will make it significant enough to enact change in established power. Significant numbers cannot be ignored.
The solutions are there. The people need to step up and give their time to see it to fruition. It is a milestone for humanity and should be seen as such. Long over due.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
You could be right, or you could be wrong. Who knows, just do what you think is right. I'm just going by experience as a cop. I've seen and heard almost all the excuses for people's choices in crime. They always had a reason for crime, they always try to blame something else because their ego has become so corrupt that they won't allow reality to set in. If you really want to solve the mystery to greed and corruption, study forensic psychology. You'll learn a thing or two.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
Actually I have a degree in psychology and sociology: the study of people. I study groups of people and an emphasis on behavior, especially. Behavior is shaped by the environment....and in a sound environment, very different behavior is the end product. Study psychology, behavior and sociology, you might learn a thing or two yourself. For the record, I was the sole sex offender probation officer for 2 counties. I do know behavior...the most manipulative kind.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Let's not bring our records in to prove that our points hold value. This isn't a competition, is it?
MBreaker02 2 years ago
you brought it up first, lol. No, I'm not competitive at all, but I was in the past. Are you?
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Ok that came off a little abrasive and arrogant, but I'm responding to your telling me to learn a thing or two. I know what you see as an officer, ive seen it too, but you're not trained to analyze their behavior, but to get them off the street.
I like forensics btw, and I've done a little profiling myself, unprofessional of course, but trained nonetheless.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
No offense. But to top off the origins of competition, greed, etc. Sometimes we are competitive and we don't even know it. It's become second nature to us. But what about the competition of reproduction? Isn't that natural. I think competition is just a process of proving their value to one another for a specific purpose. And people want to be valuable because it grants higher position in hierarchy. And with all species, hierarchy is prime, including our race. It's nature to have hierarchy.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
Competition of reproduction is natural; animalistic, but education can afford us a better knowledge of our genes and reproduction. For instance, in regard to evolutionary psychology or the biological sciences, people don't realize that they're genes are being passed on through their bro and sisters, regardless if they reproduce themselves. Wanting your specific genes passed on has been instilled through social policy and religion, plus our ego and selfish desires play a part.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
i been diguested
juanpolar 2 years ago
Jacque you are awesome.
Kitscoma 2 years ago 14
plz what is the guy saying at 0:34
"all the wonderful things we have...?
xTylerDurden90x 2 years ago
....top soil
d0md0mt0mt0m 2 years ago 3
If you want to survive then participating and understanding nature is not contradictory, therefore wonderful. . If you want to survive but participate in the monetary system then that is contradictory, since money makes us basically fight each other.
xxjacobxx3 2 years ago 4
Thank you for your wisdom...love the venus project....love&light....L
lilianka777 2 years ago 11
Thank you for your wisdom Mr. Fresco. You are a man ahead of your time but I see you have been talking this wisdom since 1974.
The venus project looks so exciting. I believe we can all make a difference. Self awareness and empowerment are going to lead us out of the prison planet.
Thank you sir...
judyrusso 2 years ago 10
A world we all should be living in but cant because its all about the money, we are living in a world runed by stupid ideots who dont know what the hell their doing-
IM ON YOUR SIDE JACQUE FRESCO
mattsproductions12 2 years ago 5
Thats a most excellent painting you have behind you there.
swordofisis 2 years ago 2
We have a budding Mark Twain I suppose.
The question is whether or not one can know truth and if one chooses science does one then necessarily avoid discovery of God and His word being true?
ABAisSCIENCE 2 years ago
"and im not talking about pornography", lol, classic
AngelArm1110 2 years ago 5
to everything turn. Was this posted by the actual jacque do yah think?!
CaptnBean 2 years ago
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I'm not here to discredit Fresco's effort but he should REALLY stick to economy topics and leave out the social and civilizational ones. He clearly made a blunder with "being responsible" - which is clearly an individualistic trait. No bee, ant or termite was, is or will be responsible in any way, they're chemically conditioned to do so. Responsibility and conditioning Fresco seems to advocate are quite contradictory. Sorry to burst your bubble but this one is flawed big time.
X2T2X 2 years ago
That didn't make sense, anyway,
No this isn't flawed at all. Think about it -
If you didn't hate anyone because of religous, sexual, racial, etc differences, you didn't feel greed, jelousy or even dislike anyone the slightest bit for any reason - Of course, you'd be responsible. There would be no reason NOT to be responsible to anything if there was no reason to hate, dislike or even not approve of anything. Your arguments are seriously flawed. You need to think - and wake up.
azar3th 2 years ago 4
"being responsible" WOULDN'T be an individualistic trait, it would be a global trait.
With time, we will become a collective consciousness, infact we ARE currently seperated groups of different collective consciousness, the idea is to make it ONE. To UNIFY. To remove the point in hating eachother, remove the point of greed, remove the point of disliking anyone for any reason at all. There are many cases of depression the cities because people feel GREED and HATE there.
azar3th 2 years ago 4
The countryside is spared because of exactly what you said, we dont have to if we don't want to. And no, we're not DESTINED to live in small groups - We're destined to unify. Become One people. Become one civilization, not perfect but much closer to perfect than we are now.
azar3th 2 years ago
No its not.There is a big difference from bees to humans.Personality is developed due to the second by second incoming of information from the 5 senses from the second you are born till now .Your perspective on the world and how you relate to it is culturally developed ...not inbuilt..its just complex.A jewish baby brought up from day one in a nazi family with nazi friends in a nazi school and taught nazi ideology will be a nazi.If you dont believe any i say please state why so we can all learn
deanjdk 2 years ago
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Silversobe, do tell me what are you smoking, I want that weed too... we cannot become a "collective consciousness", we're not ants, bees nor termites. Unless we become a pheromone-engineered race, of course. Maybe you have watched too much Sci-fi later, are you impersonating a taelon or what?
X2T2X 2 years ago
X2T2X----when a group of people work together to increase efficiency or solve a problem...they do not display the mentality of ants or termites AND it is not necessary to become a pheromone -injected race in order to gain from working together.....its much quicker/easier to hang a door with 2 people if you know what i mean
deanjdk 2 years ago
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Seraph, quite the contrary, it IS in our nature to be egoistic... and not only that... our social capabilities have emerged while the humans roamed the Earth is small groups... we're still - unconsciously - attracted by this kind of living which has inprinted in our genes. That's why there is so many cases of depression, violence and alienation in large cities while the countryside seems spared. We have been DESTINED to live in small groups... although we don't have to, if we don't want to...
X2T2X 2 years ago
No more messing around. Its time to face our insecurities and become a collective counsiousness
silversobe 2 years ago 4
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You know what, I'm not free but I'm happy owning what I have... why don't you donate all your wealth to Fresco and go in front of his house and beg him to adopt you... he will undeniably offer you a better ego for that... you'll be "free" to roam around like a beggar....
P.S. It's not "this ego" that makes you selfish... any ego will do it. (it's ego's nature... try to "educate" your genes, behaviouristic moron... )
X2T2X 2 years ago
Well, in that society there would be no money at all. That would be awesome.
seraph101 2 years ago 8
It is not in our nature to be egoistic.
seraph101 2 years ago 6
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Rednoob... it's not the society responsible for your ego, dumbfuck. There are your parents and each and every personal experience, up to the age of 2 (or more, in your case.. you still suck your finger, right?) Even if you're going to grow in a hut in the middle of the forest, you'll eventually get an ego, you know? Unless you're that feral child, running with the wolves...
X2T2X 2 years ago
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Oh, lol, the rednoob acquaintance! The man surfing up and down the zeitgeist threads and gratifying as noobs everyone who happen to cross his unfortunate person! Man, try look into the mirror... you'll see the retard right there... no need for any "fucking research".
X2T2X 2 years ago
Go to the main zeitgeist website..there you will find a lecture in which peter joseph talks about the evidence of nature and nurture with examples...youll see that scientifically it is the environment that shapes a person not genetics
deanjdk 2 years ago
Both genetics and the environment shapes a person. Not just the environment.
MBreaker02 2 years ago
genetics play a role, but it is the environment that SHAPES the behavior; reinforcing it.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
The only way to assume there will be a society which people will give up at their own will requires brainwashing and chemically / hipnotically engineer people from birth to adulthood in order not to develop an ego. (the "I" stuff) But they will be zombies, deprived of individuality.
X2T2X 2 years ago
Sorry but I think you don't know what ego is. Every individual has a "little man" inside his mind which says "I want that, I keep that, I don't share that". Well, the "I" is the ego. You will simply be unsuccesful in order to convince people to give up their stuff. And - like the communists of the past - will have to employ violence to make them give it up. Their ego (normally acquired at age of 2) won't allow it.
X2T2X 2 years ago
Sorry, but you're a retard, do your fucking research before you make stupid statements like that. An ego is something that our current society has produced.
You only have that little annoying voice because your potential has not been reached.
In other words, you aren't free, and somehow in your little twisted mind, you've decided that that's a good thing, wake the hell up.
rednoob9 2 years ago 2
Those who see the private ownership as being parasitical on the public one may think it's time to remove the private one. Quite the contrary, the public ownership should be removed and given private property social responsibities and privileges. One may argue we're going backwards to aristocratic times, but at least those were visible and had responsibilities. Today's administration boards have more power than past aristocrats and no responsibility whatsoever.
X2T2X 2 years ago
You cannot "educate" an entire society to give up private rights upon land, building and goods unless you're removing their ego (and I mean literally). And if you remove someone's ego, you remove someone's individuality, you're going to have a herd of zombies, not humans. Vices cannot be removed through social engineering, only through individual education.
X2T2X 2 years ago
If you remove someone's ego you remove their individuality?? Dude are you serious. So you are saying if someone decides to give up their land because they feel it is for the greater good or whatever reason they may have, everything else that makes that person who they are disappears as well?? Sorry, I completely disagree. They will still have their likes, dislikes, opinions etc. That's what makes a person an individual.
moety2 2 years ago
Responsibility means private property. The public property won't bring any responsibility. In fact corruption comes from the mere existence of public property - which has no real supporters. If we'd live in a 100% private property there would be no corruption, since every body would take care of his/her property or ownership.
X2T2X 2 years ago
Please let me take part in evolution,and keep God!Only thing I can do is promise not to push my theory on anyone else!Darwin,and the Bible are from the same reality,and both are considered higher knowledge according to their time,and place!Why can't I be allowed to seek my own truth anywhere I choose!For me both spirit,and empirical truth are important to have for broader awareness of reality!I want to take part in this future,but I won't deny God because I am less important than him,(an ant)!
Gilla1ness 2 years ago
Can't we have both scientific understanding,and higher power?I've never understood the conflict!The people who are so out spoken about God not existing seem resentful!As if angry at God more than unaware of our connection to the divine!Why is it so hard to think about empirical truth,and spiritual truth as connected!Jaque needs to study more quantum theory!Why can't the big bang be God saying,"Let there be light"?The only absolute truth is God,and all the rest remains in multiplicity,or flux!
Gilla1ness 2 years ago
Natural Responsibility, if we have prestige to have all this nature, food, water, air, beauty. We have the responsibility to protect it.
Very different from this society artificial responsibilities.
AzoreanProud 2 years ago
From my understanding, I feel that the Venus Project is a proposal to develope a technologicaly advanced version of a subsistance economy but on a larger scale.
charbonelle 2 years ago
sign the VENUS Project Petition online!
we can make it happen!
jrgoku1000 2 years ago