Declan Ganley VS Micheal O'Leary: What They Were Really Thinking

[sidvidkid]

O learys argument appears to be that he changed his mind simply coz the irish economy tanked. this is utterly stupid.

And his ad hominem attacks on his opponent are childish and fallacious.

Shame on michael i used to respect him, now he is just another sock puppet for the elite.

Epic fail.

[simonok87]

whats with the stupid fuckin commentary underneath? nice attempt but not remotely funny

[Seanmcdhuibhne]

That is the patriot Irishman O Leary who tried to charge 6 of us fellow countrymen €550 each to return from Krakow. If using his airline make sure u read the microscopic words and don't forget there's a loo charge

[zeppirl]

wheres the jobs ?? 16/1/11 jobless is still rising

[donvit2]

Subtitles are class, well done!

[donvit2]

O leary kicked his ass

[francieszetecs]

This country's Government is all tied up. he quicker we get smart business men like Declan into National Government the better and get these people who are asleep put. We need a new party. People are only realising now that Declan is telling the truth.

[PadraicPearseCiao]

Two points:

1) The Irish people genuinely changed their minds. If the Irish people hadn't, they would have voted no again. Therefore, it was a victory to democracy. It's interesting to read advocated of no railing against democracy, i.e. when they win it's a democratic vote, when they lose, it's undemocratic.

Why was the first vote seen as being more democratic than the second.

2) a two-thirds majority of a higher electoral turnout is far more democratic than a 54% v 46%.

[ogello]

the second election should not even have existed. Where is, and how is it possible for you to miss this? The first voting was rejected, and not accepted. Lets make them vote again - why even vote.

[PadraicPearseCiao]

Things changed fundamentally since we rejected the first treaty- the country is now bankcrupt and we gained concessions. All of the issues that were unpopular in the first treaty were dealt with and this is why the second treaty was endorsed.

Please consider this comment rather than getting hung up on the fact that in the first referendum a majority of uninformed voters rejected the referendum. Things have changed drastically, Ogello, and Ireland has now backed the treaty.

[VaaniSevika]

PadraicPearseCiao

If you don't understand why the second referendum was anti democratic then you don't understand the meaning of democracy.

[naillic101]

Finally someone making light of this Lisbon Treaty shite. Awesome video.

[bananazipper]

I liked the jokes.

Boo Hitler

[francieszetecs]

Decln will be remembered for generations for he was the only man telling the truth. Only time will tell. The yes side were liers. More money for the boys.

[NoEUnoNWO]

thankyou Declan Ganley, for the mention -british man who forsees the death of his country, powerless to resist by democractic means.

The Dutch vote rejected it, the french vote rejected it, then the EU cancels referendums, renames the constitution to 'treaty', tried to push it through with no voting, but couldnt stop ireland. Your vote was REJECTED, thats why you have to do it again. really hope you guys just tell em to feck off, for all in the EU.

[oxfordeddie]

Micheal never fails to impress. I can never work out what he's going to say but end up agreeing with him- clever man!

[39Auldkellier]

O'leary is an fucking ignoramus, its quite appropraite that they should have him on the yes side, because he's shown in the past that he's contemptious towards politcians, thus democracy in general when it get in the way of profit. Then again when your planes provide vital commerce and industry for economies, you would have no respect em either

[oxfordeddie]

But did you listen to Mick's arguments or is this just ad hominem vitriol? This is a different referendum because we now have a commissioner and low taxes are secure.

I'm not sure what your arguments are 39Auldkellier apart from the fact that you think that democracy is being subverted because last time we said no. However, many people who voted NO did so because they didn't understand the treaty. We are far more aware of the pros and cons this time and I predict a resounding YES!

[39Auldkellier]

You'll be felling like abit of a dickhead, when that intolerable shit scarkozy suggests blair as president of a new federal europe, a guy that should be up for war crimes, and you morons are happy to accept the pathetic excuses they gave for our keeping neutrality.

Blair would'nt even get elected in his own country because he sent there sons to there graves for someone elses war, its oviously the jokes on the micks they elected him albeit without knowing..

[oxfordeddie]

But then again there are 27 nations in Europe, each with the power to nominate a president. Sarkozy may think Blair is a suitable president but I rather fancy that he would be vetoed by the majority of States.

As for the IRAQ war etc, I actually think that the Lisbon Treaty will help to prevent The US from dividing Europe into the Coalition of the willing/Old Europe vs new Europe etc.

Instead we'lll have our own European army which will be able to pursue peaceful causes.

[39Auldkellier]

What other states, britain and france are probably two of the largest, i can see lick arse berrnasconi voting for him and that germany chancellor. Face facts we've been taken to the cleaners big time, the shit will hit the fan and the reality will be uncovered immediately, there not goin to hold anything back for our sack, a insignificant country of 4 million.

[oxfordeddie]

How can passionate defenders of "democracy" think that it is ok for a population of 4 million to stall such a massive project. What the NO campaign can't face is the fact that Europe has hundreds of millions of citizens and that a tiny population such as Ireland should not have the right to hold the other 27 countries to ransom over issues such as abortion etc. And still, the EU have bent over backwards to grant us concessions!!!

"Ils ont manque une bonne occasion de se taire" (Chirac)

[39Auldkellier]

Are just slightly cretinious or have not been able to grasp the fact that other 27 states did'nt agree to it , the general public did'nt get to vote on it, its only the political corrupt elite that are behind it, thats why blair is involved be he's a bent politcian, democracy goes out the wind at this stage..you might aswell have been quoting murdoch's sun newspaper your a goomless idiot that follows a flock of sheep

[oxfordeddie]

I'm trying to work out whether there is a coherent message here 39Auldkellier amidst all the insults but it seems as if you are saying that a) for a law to be legitimate it must be passed by a referendum, if not the assumption is that the people are against it; b) the Sun newspaper was for Lisbon and that anybody who voted yes (i.e more than 60% of the Irish electorate according to exit poles) is incapable of making up their own mind but anybody who votes NO is a democrat.

Doublethink?

[39Auldkellier]

Coherent message, the future president of europe not elected by democratic means plus the prospect that he's guilty of war crimes, a european parliament that is unaccountable to people, can you explain how that democratic!! the sun newspaper also backed blair's 3 terms in office in britain

[oxfordeddie]

It's perfectly democratic to elect a president without having a popular vote. Many functioning democracies nominate a head of state on the basis of a parliamentary majority recommendation.

Also, for Blair to be "guilty of war crimes" he would have to be taken to an international court and prosecuted. This has not happened so I'm not sure what exactly you are on about.

Finally, I really can't follow what your problem is with the Sun newspaper and how each of these points connect. Please explain

[39Auldkellier]

so it'd be ok if the eu delegates elected adolf hitler even though its not with popular consent. Nay i totally fucking finished, your a moron, you can't polish a turd..

[oxfordeddie]

Again, I can't follow your line of reasoning I'm afraid. If you knew anything about history you would know that Hitler was, unfortunately, elected by popular consent.

I'm currently celebrating a 67% victory in an unnecessary referendum but at least we can now move ahead.

One piece of advice, my friend, get an education as you are a completely ignorant idiot.

[39Auldkellier]

Qoute oxforddebbie

"Hitler was, unfortunately, elected by popular consent."

So now your saying there would have been a greater degree of legitimacy in the election of adolf hitler as in comparsion to blair, well yes i have to agree with that even hitler was elected by the ordinary people unlike what blair will be and your calling me the ignorant cunt, go boil your fuckin head ina deep fat frier, i'm finished...

[oxfordeddie]

Democracies can still produce dangerous outcomes (Hitler). However, there are checks and balances to avoid such outcomes. The EU president will only remain in office for a maximum of 5 years. He/she will be endorsed by a 65% majority of commissioners who in turn will be appointed by the democratically elected parliamentary majorities in their countries of origin.

You may hate Tony Blair but need to understand that he can still be elected President democratically without a referendum.