if god is the most complicated thing around, how come we dont need an answer about how he came to existence? shouldnt god have a creator? if not, why should cells and life have a creator?
Ever heard of Sidney W. Fox and his experiments regarding Abiogenesis? No? Then creationists please shut your gaping pieholes. Honestly, some people shouldn't be allowed opinions.
Explanation: In mimicing the condition's of earth's primordial past in a sealed environment, proteinoids formed. These weren't as complex as today's cells but they clumped together and reproduced asexually; they just hadn't developed DNA yet. But these organisms developed sans human intervention - so it's been -conclusively- proven that the newly formed earth could create the basis of life.
Fox's experiments were not even welcomed in evolutionist circles, because it was clear that the meaningless amino acid chains that he obtained (which he termed "proteinoids") could not have formed under natural conditions. The difference between proteins and these proteinoids was as huge as the difference between a piece of high-tech equipment and a heap of unprocessed iron. There were so many flaws, it is astonishing you would use it as a pardigm.
@jasonfish07 Atheist ruled government has killed more people in this world in just the 20th century than religious government ever has in all off history. 160 million people.
Primer and other variouse test show christians are more prone to help, less prone to do drugs and crime, have better morals if you go by that particular standard.
Christianity has built more school, donated more help, and modernized society than anything else.
@Stianchez Actually I come up with more than 200 million since the official recognition of the church in 317. Not to mention that the Catholic church is the largest employer of pedophiles in the world.
@wizard970 Ignoring the fact that you ignored every other point I made, sources for your 200 million. Also sources for the catholic Church being the largest employer of pedophiles in the world.
@Stianchez Ignoring that the rest of your original comment was useless, I am not going to debate the theorum with you. You can either disprove it or you can't. As to the figures, Google "people killed in the name of religion". As to the pedophiles, have you been watching the news for the past 5 or so years? The church has aid out millions in out of court settlements.
@wizard970 You're avoiding my questions, anyhoo I checked the figures are still in favour of me. As for pedophiles, im sorry but your personal impression is not regarded as a universal fact. You'll have to do better than than that. Statistics.
@Stianchez Remember you asked for it. Today Cardinal Sean O'Malley released the names of 159 priests in the Boston area that have been accused of child molestation. There were 248 on the list, but he did not publish the names of priests who had died, since they could not defend themselves. The Diocese has paid out millions to avoid court.
@Stianchez And here is a little more.Feb. 19, 2005 The numbers released today bring the number of alleged victims since 1950 to 11,750, the number of accused priests to 5,148 and the churches expenses to more than $840 million. Three dioceses have declared bankruptcy.
@wizard970 Im going to grant you that your facts are reliable, now you may want to start comparing those number to other groups of people and see how it matches up.
Although I dont see how this is relevant, it still doesn't do anything to the fact that christianity has been the driving force of modern society. Would be interesting to compare the number of people that regard themselves as atheists and their abuse numbers. Do you have statistics on that?
@Stianchez It may have helped the older societies, but it is not doing much for modern ones.And it did nothing but impede the progress of science. The church fought against the use of forks to eat with, the use of the number "0", the fact that the sun is the center of the universe (and when proven wring, sentenced Galileo to house arrest for the rest of his life, 9 years), and even to day, the christian right is fighting evolution
@wizard970 "older" it's the foundation of modern society. It built the schools that educate the new atheists. Set the foundation for the values, economical, medical of this society that me and you now take part in. "And it did nothing but impede the progress of science" I saw a graph many months ago. 2% of important scientific discoveries was done by atheists, then another small % by agnostic, and then the rest was done by religiouse scientists. - Part 2 continue
@Stianchez The schools were there in Greek and Roman times, and so were laws and morality. The church did not introduce anything new. Actually more than 90% of Biology, Anthropology, and Geology scientists are atheist. You need to get your numbers from a more open source. The claim stands without the numbers for the other side, how silly is that. Do you remember something called the "dark ages". When the church was in charge, and there were virtually no scientific discoveries.
@wizard970 Part 2 - Who says the sun is the center of the universe?
The evolution theory ties together with how life got her, it's a part of the entire concept of naturalism. Abiogenesis, evolution of stars and so on and so forth.
In regards to the number, you can't fulfull your claim until you've shown the numbers from both sides.
@Stianchez Now you are saying the sun is not the center of the universe? The evolution theory is only about the change in living organism, Darwin never even mentions how life got here, or the planets,etc, etc. You might try to familiarize yourself with the theory before you try to disprove it. Look up "Babylonian laws", before the church these laws spelled out everything.
@wizard970 When did I ever say the sun was the center of the universe??????
Evolution theory is a wide theory, reason why I make the claim is because it ties together with everything else. You still have to explain how life got her, cant just ignore it. I'd appreciate if you'd start trying to attack my statements head on instead of trying to avoid them. We want the truth here both of us. Wont get it like this.
@Stianchez You did not say the sun is the center of the universe, but it is. At least our universe. Darwin's theory has nothing to do with how life got here, only how it changed over time. No you cannot ignore how life got here, or the stars, or planets, but that is not what Darwin's theory is about.
@wizard970 .... You mean galaxy. Our galaxy is relatively close to the center of the universe.
And I asked you, how did life get here, the stars, and planets. It's called evolution of planets, starts (cosmology) then you have evolution of life. Evolution is the process that runs it. Thus it ties together. If you for some weird reason dont want to agree no problemo! Just explain to me then how it all started with evidence.
@Stianchez Yes, I meant galaxy, thought about it after i hit post. The video is about Darwinism, I am talking about Darwinism. The changes in living thins over time. Darwin never stated anything about the other subjects. There is no conclusive proof of any of the other theories of the cosmos or how life began. Actually our Galaxy is out in one of the spiral arms, around a fairly small star. Nothing of any extraordinary importance, except for life.
@wizard970 nothing out of any extraordinary importance? Do you know all the factors that has to be there to create a planet sustaining life? The odd's exceed the age of the universe.
Darwinism goes back to how life began. He wanted to explain it that you evolved traits that like eye etc etc, all this goes back to the very beginning since evolution is suppose to be the driving force of how -life- evolved,so we can keep on doing this mindless back and forth or start talking properly suggestions?
@Stianchez Darwinism is only concerned with the changes in living things. While he talks of changes in living things, he never approaches the subject of how life began. What suggestion do you have in mind? Do you have the paper that will disprove the theory?
@Stianchez Well when a universe forms two branes in 11 dimensions bump into each other and the friction makes a 10 dimensional bubble. As the branes rub together the bubble expands. That is how a baby universe is born ;3
@Stianchez even though nothing in the theorum has anything to do with how ife started, how the earth got here, etc, etc. Its only concern is the change of animals over time.
@Stianchez As to atheist abuse numbers, no I have not found anything reliable on that yet. The only statistic I have fo9und shows atheists get divorced less than other groups.
@Stianchez There are 250,000 plus published(in main stream scientific journals), peer reviewed(in main stream scientific journals) scientific papers on evolution, in the past 150 years. Yet you say its all false. Please post the published (main stream media), peer reviewed (main stream scientific journal) paper that will disprove the theory.
@wizard970 waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to take credit for someone elses work. It's like saying every study that goes around evolution (variation within a specie) supports the theory of evolution (evolve from one specie to another).
so out of these 250,000 articles(which probably most of them doesn't even account for M-evolution), can you show me one that shows that Macro Evolution actually happend? Where it's been observed and repeated.
Is lieing a common trait among them? Sure hope not.
@Stianchez The 250,000 papers support the theorum. No one is taking credit for anything they did not do, and since they are peer reviewed papers, lying would not be possible. Show the paper that will disprove the theorum. OH, that's right you can't. It has not been disproved in over 150 years.
@beinzee She in all likelihood doesn't exist. Philosophically speaking you can't claim that anything however ridiculous isn't right. You can't say my 17 dimensional butt isn't the grand creator of the universe. Ridiculous however just a plausible as any other religion. If a cult start worshipping my butt and in a thousand years most of the planet worships my butt, it doesn't make it any more valid. Therefore I argue there is a infinitesimal probability that a god exists (effectively zero)
nothing in this video is contrary evidence to evolution, it might look that way to someone who doesnt understand the science. This is a recuring theme in creationalist arguments, you take something you dont understand, find some piece of information that you think isnt consistant with it ( even though you dont understand it) and then tell all the other people (that dont understand either of the things you are talking about) how clever you are and how they should hold the same belief.
@beinzee- Ok. this is how arguments work. you present a conclusion which is suported by premises. the premises should be suported by evidence. merely stating that 'your analysis is incorrect' doesnt say anything, you shouldnt expect me to try and figure out why you disagree with me. that said, i dont realy mind, you are simply highlighting your lack of intelligence, this eats away at the likely-hood of your argument being cogent.
Life beginning has nothing to do with Darwin's theory which is of origin of species not origin of life. A significant minority eh? Can you give us a percentage? I question the use of the word significant in that sentence.
if god is the most complicated thing around, how come we dont need an answer about how he came to existence? shouldnt god have a creator? if not, why should cells and life have a creator?
Ichthyologistic 3 weeks ago
Ever heard of Sidney W. Fox and his experiments regarding Abiogenesis? No? Then creationists please shut your gaping pieholes. Honestly, some people shouldn't be allowed opinions.
tenou213 3 months ago
Explanation: In mimicing the condition's of earth's primordial past in a sealed environment, proteinoids formed. These weren't as complex as today's cells but they clumped together and reproduced asexually; they just hadn't developed DNA yet. But these organisms developed sans human intervention - so it's been -conclusively- proven that the newly formed earth could create the basis of life.
tenou213 3 months ago 3
Fox's experiments were not even welcomed in evolutionist circles, because it was clear that the meaningless amino acid chains that he obtained (which he termed "proteinoids") could not have formed under natural conditions. The difference between proteins and these proteinoids was as huge as the difference between a piece of high-tech equipment and a heap of unprocessed iron. There were so many flaws, it is astonishing you would use it as a pardigm.
philackey 3 months ago
@philackey uh, please take your evidence-driven and rational thinking skills ELSEWHERE. This is God's land here. ;)
dglass81 3 months ago
Just keep saying trillion. That makes the number bigger.
Tgolnoft 4 months ago
More than just being an idiot, Ben Stein radiates stupidity
mehico33 4 months ago
expelled: no intelligence allowed, never was there a more apt title to a film.
redjove2000 5 months ago
GOD IS FAKE AND GAY!!! KILL YOUR SELVES NOW TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH!
jasonfish07 1 year ago
@jasonfish07 That's the moral values you atheists go after?
Stianchez 6 months ago
@Stianchez Your religions have fucked this world we are better off without you.
jasonfish07 6 months ago
@jasonfish07 Atheist ruled government has killed more people in this world in just the 20th century than religious government ever has in all off history. 160 million people.
Primer and other variouse test show christians are more prone to help, less prone to do drugs and crime, have better morals if you go by that particular standard.
Christianity has built more school, donated more help, and modernized society than anything else.
Better of without us?
Stianchez 6 months ago
@Stianchez Actually I come up with more than 200 million since the official recognition of the church in 317. Not to mention that the Catholic church is the largest employer of pedophiles in the world.
wizard970 6 months ago
@wizard970 Ignoring the fact that you ignored every other point I made, sources for your 200 million. Also sources for the catholic Church being the largest employer of pedophiles in the world.
Stianchez 6 months ago
@Stianchez Ignoring that the rest of your original comment was useless, I am not going to debate the theorum with you. You can either disprove it or you can't. As to the figures, Google "people killed in the name of religion". As to the pedophiles, have you been watching the news for the past 5 or so years? The church has aid out millions in out of court settlements.
wizard970 6 months ago
@wizard970 You're avoiding my questions, anyhoo I checked the figures are still in favour of me. As for pedophiles, im sorry but your personal impression is not regarded as a universal fact. You'll have to do better than than that. Statistics.
Stianchez 6 months ago
@Stianchez Remember you asked for it. Today Cardinal Sean O'Malley released the names of 159 priests in the Boston area that have been accused of child molestation. There were 248 on the list, but he did not publish the names of priests who had died, since they could not defend themselves. The Diocese has paid out millions to avoid court.
wizard970 6 months ago
@Stianchez And here is a little more.Feb. 19, 2005 The numbers released today bring the number of alleged victims since 1950 to 11,750, the number of accused priests to 5,148 and the churches expenses to more than $840 million. Three dioceses have declared bankruptcy.
wizard970 6 months ago
@wizard970 Im going to grant you that your facts are reliable, now you may want to start comparing those number to other groups of people and see how it matches up.
Although I dont see how this is relevant, it still doesn't do anything to the fact that christianity has been the driving force of modern society. Would be interesting to compare the number of people that regard themselves as atheists and their abuse numbers. Do you have statistics on that?
Stianchez 6 months ago
@Stianchez It may have helped the older societies, but it is not doing much for modern ones.And it did nothing but impede the progress of science. The church fought against the use of forks to eat with, the use of the number "0", the fact that the sun is the center of the universe (and when proven wring, sentenced Galileo to house arrest for the rest of his life, 9 years), and even to day, the christian right is fighting evolution
wizard970 6 months ago
@wizard970 "older" it's the foundation of modern society. It built the schools that educate the new atheists. Set the foundation for the values, economical, medical of this society that me and you now take part in. "And it did nothing but impede the progress of science" I saw a graph many months ago. 2% of important scientific discoveries was done by atheists, then another small % by agnostic, and then the rest was done by religiouse scientists. - Part 2 continue
Stianchez 6 months ago
@Stianchez The schools were there in Greek and Roman times, and so were laws and morality. The church did not introduce anything new. Actually more than 90% of Biology, Anthropology, and Geology scientists are atheist. You need to get your numbers from a more open source. The claim stands without the numbers for the other side, how silly is that. Do you remember something called the "dark ages". When the church was in charge, and there were virtually no scientific discoveries.
wizard970 6 months ago
@wizard970 Part 2 - Who says the sun is the center of the universe?
The evolution theory ties together with how life got her, it's a part of the entire concept of naturalism. Abiogenesis, evolution of stars and so on and so forth.
In regards to the number, you can't fulfull your claim until you've shown the numbers from both sides.
Stianchez 6 months ago
@Stianchez Now you are saying the sun is not the center of the universe? The evolution theory is only about the change in living organism, Darwin never even mentions how life got here, or the planets,etc, etc. You might try to familiarize yourself with the theory before you try to disprove it. Look up "Babylonian laws", before the church these laws spelled out everything.
wizard970 6 months ago
@wizard970 When did I ever say the sun was the center of the universe??????
Evolution theory is a wide theory, reason why I make the claim is because it ties together with everything else. You still have to explain how life got her, cant just ignore it. I'd appreciate if you'd start trying to attack my statements head on instead of trying to avoid them. We want the truth here both of us. Wont get it like this.
Stianchez 6 months ago
@Stianchez You did not say the sun is the center of the universe, but it is. At least our universe. Darwin's theory has nothing to do with how life got here, only how it changed over time. No you cannot ignore how life got here, or the stars, or planets, but that is not what Darwin's theory is about.
wizard970 6 months ago
@wizard970 .... You mean galaxy. Our galaxy is relatively close to the center of the universe.
And I asked you, how did life get here, the stars, and planets. It's called evolution of planets, starts (cosmology) then you have evolution of life. Evolution is the process that runs it. Thus it ties together. If you for some weird reason dont want to agree no problemo! Just explain to me then how it all started with evidence.
Stianchez 6 months ago
@Stianchez Yes, I meant galaxy, thought about it after i hit post. The video is about Darwinism, I am talking about Darwinism. The changes in living thins over time. Darwin never stated anything about the other subjects. There is no conclusive proof of any of the other theories of the cosmos or how life began. Actually our Galaxy is out in one of the spiral arms, around a fairly small star. Nothing of any extraordinary importance, except for life.
wizard970 6 months ago
@wizard970 nothing out of any extraordinary importance? Do you know all the factors that has to be there to create a planet sustaining life? The odd's exceed the age of the universe.
Darwinism goes back to how life began. He wanted to explain it that you evolved traits that like eye etc etc, all this goes back to the very beginning since evolution is suppose to be the driving force of how -life- evolved,so we can keep on doing this mindless back and forth or start talking properly suggestions?
Stianchez 6 months ago
@Stianchez Darwinism is only concerned with the changes in living things. While he talks of changes in living things, he never approaches the subject of how life began. What suggestion do you have in mind? Do you have the paper that will disprove the theory?
wizard970 6 months ago
@Stianchez You do know science is making working protocells out of nonliving material that behave like living organisms right?
PinkProgram 3 months ago
@Stianchez Well when a universe forms two branes in 11 dimensions bump into each other and the friction makes a 10 dimensional bubble. As the branes rub together the bubble expands. That is how a baby universe is born ;3
PinkProgram 3 months ago
@PinkProgram uhh... hmm.. icecream? :D
Stianchez 3 months ago
@Stianchez even though nothing in the theorum has anything to do with how ife started, how the earth got here, etc, etc. Its only concern is the change of animals over time.
wizard970 6 months ago
@Stianchez As to atheist abuse numbers, no I have not found anything reliable on that yet. The only statistic I have fo9und shows atheists get divorced less than other groups.
wizard970 6 months ago
The fact that people can look at the complexity of a cell and so easily say "It's all random" is astonishing. It's like they turn their brains off.
Stianchez 1 year ago
@Stianchez There are 250,000 plus published(in main stream scientific journals), peer reviewed(in main stream scientific journals) scientific papers on evolution, in the past 150 years. Yet you say its all false. Please post the published (main stream media), peer reviewed (main stream scientific journal) paper that will disprove the theory.
wizard970 6 months ago
@wizard970 waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to take credit for someone elses work. It's like saying every study that goes around evolution (variation within a specie) supports the theory of evolution (evolve from one specie to another).
so out of these 250,000 articles(which probably most of them doesn't even account for M-evolution), can you show me one that shows that Macro Evolution actually happend? Where it's been observed and repeated.
Is lieing a common trait among them? Sure hope not.
Stianchez 6 months ago
@Stianchez The 250,000 papers support the theorum. No one is taking credit for anything they did not do, and since they are peer reviewed papers, lying would not be possible. Show the paper that will disprove the theorum. OH, that's right you can't. It has not been disproved in over 150 years.
wizard970 6 months ago
Wow I love creationists and their creative maths! But whats the probability that God exists oh thats right 1 in 1 hahaha ...FAIL
shandorejunk 1 year ago 9
@shandorejunk Does God exist? You obviously have proved to yourself that He doesn't. I suggest you look further into the matter most carefully.
beinzee 1 year ago
@beinzee She in all likelihood doesn't exist. Philosophically speaking you can't claim that anything however ridiculous isn't right. You can't say my 17 dimensional butt isn't the grand creator of the universe. Ridiculous however just a plausible as any other religion. If a cult start worshipping my butt and in a thousand years most of the planet worships my butt, it doesn't make it any more valid. Therefore I argue there is a infinitesimal probability that a god exists (effectively zero)
shandorejunk 1 year ago
@beinzee The probability that God is Yaweh is close enough to zero to not warrant consideration ;3
PinkProgram 3 months ago
@beinzee Yeah look at the evidence man. Oh, shit. Yeah, shandorejunk is right.
dglass81 3 months ago
@beinzee,
Not sure if fellow atheist helping with constructive criticism
Or asshole creationist
Probably the latter.
Fuck you
MrSmith2100 1 month ago
nothing in this video is contrary evidence to evolution, it might look that way to someone who doesnt understand the science. This is a recuring theme in creationalist arguments, you take something you dont understand, find some piece of information that you think isnt consistant with it ( even though you dont understand it) and then tell all the other people (that dont understand either of the things you are talking about) how clever you are and how they should hold the same belief.
pimpwacker 1 year ago
@pimpwacker Your analysis is incorrect.
geezersinc 1 year ago
@geezersinc -- haha, would you like to outline why?
pimpwacker 1 year ago
@pimpwacker You don't know!??!
beinzee 1 year ago
@beinzee- Ok. this is how arguments work. you present a conclusion which is suported by premises. the premises should be suported by evidence. merely stating that 'your analysis is incorrect' doesnt say anything, you shouldnt expect me to try and figure out why you disagree with me. that said, i dont realy mind, you are simply highlighting your lack of intelligence, this eats away at the likely-hood of your argument being cogent.
pimpwacker 1 year ago
@pimpwacker Did you watch the video? I suggest that you purchase the movie. My lack of intelligence? I,sir am a genuis......and you?
beinzee 1 year ago
@beinzee- well, you think you are a genuis... looks like you must be right in that case. lol.
pimpwacker 1 year ago
Life beginning has nothing to do with Darwin's theory which is of origin of species not origin of life. A significant minority eh? Can you give us a percentage? I question the use of the word significant in that sentence.
klfly 1 year ago