i think people need to respect every religion, practice, way of life...live and let live...life is too damn short to criticize other's beliefs...just see beauty in the world and learn how to make it even better for us and future generations. see beauty and meaning from this video and I am not even Hindu...point is we should love our differences and understand them and try to make world more peaceful.
@zulfitareen Please do not call them myths - exaggerated maybe, but certainly not myths. U are insulting a lot of people by calling them myths
As for harry potter, hell etc - please if u want magic, miracles go somewhere else. Magic, miracles are for the child, the weak & cowardly. Stuff done without having to do any work, sacrifice, sweat or toil
That is certainly not God's Teaching, this is not what Hinduism Teaches
@zulfitareen When did i criticize muslims or islam? I never use the word myth when it comes to islam or christianity. U used that word & specifically mentioned Greek & Hindu & i noticed that u did not mention islam or christianity. If u are saying all these are also myths - then u are ok, but if u are singling certain religions out then u not being fair
As for oxford dictionary- what is that, the oracle? A book printed out by white christians is going to give us a fair shot?
@zulfitareen Ok good I have no problem with Atheists. I did not realize u were one. U specifically mentioned Hindu & Greek & i thought u were singling us out
For Hindus, it is not religion that gets u closer to God, but Character. If u are a good person, u are with God
A Good Atheist is closer to God Rama than even a Good Hindu, so says this Hindu
@zulfitareen "the pusymitra sunga and king mihirakula completely wiped out budhist civilization in india in the name of their religion" - wait, doesn't it follow that the Budhists must have wiped out the previous religion? Why are u giving THEM a break?
The fact is that there is no recorded evidence of the Buddhists ever using violence to spread their faith & I need u to admit that there has been no evidence of Hinduism using violence either!
@zulfitareen u can't judge ALL religions the same way-u can't put all religions in the same basket. Islam & Christianity are King Religions - God made in the image of a medeival King. Get down on ur knees, beg for mercy & hopefully the king will let u stay in his castle(heaven) or else it is the dungeon for u(hell)
What keeps a King awake at night? Disloyalty! Ergo if u are disloyal(ie not a member of the religion or an Atheist) u are a danger to the king, so u must be punished, killed!
@zulfitareen Hinduism, like Buddhism is a Teacher faith-the classroom is a mini democracy. Islamic pakistan lurches from one despot to another while Hindu India, to everyone's surprise, is a shining democracy
If the Buddha had been born in Europe or muslim lands he would have been branded a heretic & tortured to death! His Teachings burned! His followers fed to the lions!
There would have been no Buddhism today! No Sikhism, Jainism, zoarashtrism, Bohra islam nor Tibetan Buddhism either!
i agree that islam is the most evil idealogy. but other religions are not far behind. check out the caste system that deprived the majority of indians of their humanity, forced the lower caste members to serve highter caste and live at sube human level for 1000s of years.
@zulfitareen In the Ramayana, Sage Vishwamitra, the Teacher of God Rama, was not born a Brahmin, he later became one. Originally caste was basically a division based on work, u educate urself u became a Brahmin. Today we say X is a nurse, Y is a doctor. nothing wrong with that
The ancients were only trying to categorize the world around them - the 4 seasons, the 4 directions, the 4 dimensions, the 4 vedas, ergo 4 diff types of job categories
The problem happens when some people put up barries
@zulfitareen & don't allow others to enter. The Brahmins realized the power they held & made sure only they & their families could benefit from it. It is not what the religion taught.
Even today, if u read any economics books u will see it-a united minority can shut off competition & make the majority pay for their benefit-see how the farm lobby manipulates the congress here in the US-they are a tiny minority, but they carry a big clout
Thankfully things are changing nowdays-to me, it is the
@zulfitareen practice of arranged marriages that kept the evil caste system alive. Today, more & more young people are falling in love & are getting married, caste be damned. It is the hope of Hindus like myself that their numbers will only increase & caste will be eliminated
To me - to raise the issue of caste is somewhat like saying all whites are racist - not a very nice thing to say. Many a Hindu has fought to end this practice of division
stop bitching .. this shit is perfect.. get your heads out of your high tech asses... its called texture..we used to have lots of it before computers swallowed up all of humanities style! learn to enjoy grass roots creativity!
only thing these videos need are an easy link to take u to the next video..sometimes i cant find the next one in the reccomended vids,wonder if anyone else has this trouble
Thanks for the English sub-titles. I was never taught thisreligion or culture in my schooling. Have always wanted to learn. This makes it very enjoyable. Very interesting morality plays in the stories. - Really like the seed of democracy that is shown with doers vs by birth for leaders. Very wise.
These Harry Reid commercials in this video are annoying. Harry Reid can suck on my nutsack. And he's my senator. I'm so gonna enjoy voting against that douchebag in a few months.
Whenever , the dharma of the humanity is attacked an aspect of God almighty , is coming on the earth to save He`s children.Of course Lord Jesus was teach us to forgive , an all of the encarnation is teaching us to have compassion ,and love. For this the human kind has to have the Yoga .Yoga is not to do ,is to be in.The human kind has to realise that we are the spirit ...and this only can achived by beaing in the Yoga
Hell is a vile, abusive, disgusting concept. God buys love & loyalty with torture? A Gandhi, Teresa, Mandela would never think of torturing their enemies, whereas a Saddam, Hitler, Stalin would. This is the company that God keeps? Karma & Rebirth is the better, the non-violent way. You are not punished, nor are you simply forgiven because you begged enough. The most important aspect of Karma is that you are held accountable for your actions, you are reborn, given another chance to make amends.
What can be said of a mother beating, abusing a child? Do you interpret it as mother buys love and loyalty with torture? And I am sure none of us would have been better humans had their parents forgiven their slights to only give a chance to make amends!
@pranavvarna u are a bit behind the times - the days of parents beating their children are over - if u do that in western countries - you go to jail, period. When a parent says do this or else i will beat u - basically it's an order - the child learns nothing, except to do what he is told because of fear. Don't u think there should be a better way? How about the parent patiently TEACHING the child the diff between right & wrong? Everyone benefits.
@pranavvarna FYI i am not the one talking about forgiveness, guess who? islam & christianity are big on that - just beg & grovel & god will forgive u. What if a judge here on earth simply forgives a criminal? That's not right. Karma is not about forgiveness but it's not about physical abuse either - that's the point. It's about LEARNING the diff between right & wrong & God doesn't use physical abuse to TEACH us that.
@AlienshateU By doing so u are basically saying God is a torturer? God Rama is a torturer? God Krishna tortures people? Goddess Durga delights in inflicting pain & punishment? Blindly belieiving in what is written in some old book is Idolatry. I refuse to believe that my Rama would torture anyone - my Rama is no torturer, period. There is a better way, the non-violent way of Karma & Rebirth.
Ur child misbehaves - do u let it go, beat him OR TEACH him Right from Wrong? Which is the better way?
@ramaraksha01 No one has to go to hell. Just accept Christ, be saved, and repent. Easy. If you don't then yes hell awaits. Lucifer is the torturer and deceiver. Lucifer hides under many pagan names like Cernunnos, Odin, Zeus, etc. In India alone he hides under the names- Shiva, Kali, Rudra, and Indra (your country is named after him!). Your asuras are the Greek titans, Sumerian annunaki, and what the hebrews call the nephilim.
@AlienshateU yes i know real easy - that's how u convert, right? if we don't listen suddenly this "loving" god turns into a saddam husain, ready to torture us till eternity! "loving" god indeed - funny, he acts just like a despot like saddam - get down on ur knees, beg & grovel like dogs & u get his pleasure palace. Dare to stand up or question him, u get tortured? This is how u want to live? like a slave, down on ur knees, begging & groveling like a dog?
@AlienshateU That's where Hinduism differs - it is not an easy faith, our faith is tougher. This is a Teacher faith, our God asks us to STAND Up, question him, that's what a good student does. This is no carrot & stick faith - we have to EARN Moksha, we have to EARN Repentance, God's grace is EARNED! FYI, we don't have hell - our God is no torturer, period.
This faith may be too hard for u, u know having to EARN everything? go, down on ur knees like a good dog wag ur tail.
Krishna's supposed teachings are somewhat good but much is missing. Most importantly Krishna did not die to redeem you and forgive your sins like Christ did. Christianity is not exactly easy. You have to have great faith, and repent of all sin to be a new creature, help the less fortunate, and spread this truth to as many as possible to save them as well. Christians will soon be killed by the millions when then asuras return pretending to be "aliens" in their vimanas. Humility is taught in ep.2
@ramaraksha01 Basicaly,one is invited to "grow up" spiritualy,wheres the Middle eastern ideologies(Christin,Judaiac,Islamic) it is more of dogmatic threats with "ifs" and "but's" and damnation. Kama (Action/Reaction) is Gods own mechanical proccess to ensure 1's own mastery of life,1 will beget what they sow by THEIR OWN VIRTUE,not punishment by GOD, constant negativity will ensure 1 own begetment of negative suroundings and the reverse also true,positivity begets positivity. Hare Krisna!
@glennbuchanan29 These western religions are King religions - their concept of God came from their King - God made in the image of their medeival king. Think of the analogy - brought before the king, subjects went down on their knees, shaking with fear, begging for mercy. This is no democracy, his word was law! If pleased u could stay in his kingdom(heaven) or else it is the dungeons for u(Hell)
The king says the sky is green, u better agree - u must be loyal or else! Hence their threats
@tjxkid Hinduism is a Teacher faith - We are ALL children/students of God. Fear of God is not taught in Hinduism, love & respect God but never fear. U are never threatened, u are allowed freedom of thought in Hinduism, non-Hindus, nor Atheists are never condemned.
Moksha is Earned, u cannot beg or grovel for Moksha
If God says the sky is Green, every Hindu MUST disagree!
@citizenOfNowhere777 er, i said Hell is an abusive concept, not God being abusive. As a Hindu, I believe in Moksh, in Karma & Rebirth. I do not believe Heaven & Hell exist - not even for the likes of Hitler. The concept of Hell creats a hateful mind - we need to get rid of these ancient, backward & primitive concepts
@ramaraksha01 And believe in Karma & Rebirth is modern? You amuse me my friend, talking about the religion you do not know in depth. Some of you get so carried away with lofty philosophical talks in Mahabharata as if the whole society practiced, even back then, live with such high morals. The most cruel form of slavery known as caste system arose in India. Don't you forget that!
@citizenOfNowhere777 yes always with the pointing fingers, they teach hate in ur places of worship don't they? Can u post the Bible's views on slavery?
How about the torture & killings of every native population once they came into contact with christianity? Every native population - American, mexican, Australian - totally decimated - killed like animals. Giving disease ladden blankets to native americans. Building America on the backs of slaves. Killing 6 million jews-what's in ur closet?
Not all religions are alike - A Good Atheist is closer to God Rama than even a Good Hindu, so says this Hindu, does that tell u something?
As for Karma & Rebirth-Life is Harsh, much, much harsher for our ancestors. So they came up with a nice Heaven waitin for them "upthere"-the proverbial far away "smooth" mountain
Hinduism says no, if life is tough get to work, make it better, Here! That's the essential lesson of Karm & Rebirth
@ramaraksha01 A good atheist? Why not a good human? Why does it have to be an atheist? Beside, Hinduism (ultimately) has the concept of creator G-d.
Hinduism is NOT the only religions that tries to make life better for humans. Like I said, do not insult the religions you know nothing beyond what the Western media portrays. It is unintelligent.
@citizenOfNowhere777 Please calm down-stop trying to find mistakes in everything that is posted-it says u are young & uninformed
What matters in Hinduism is character, not religion. When we die only our soul & our Karma goes to meet God. Not our sex, religion etc
The reason I used Atheists is that most religious people look towards a reward when they do good things-if not in this life in the next or afterlife. Atheists do not-that's the way to approach things. Do good because u want to
@citizenOfNowhere777 Just making statements-u don't have to engage me in conversation or anything
I see u did not answer my question-the christians & muslims run around saying we are idolators, pagans, infedels & that we are ALL going to Hell. Such respect
I see that u stay silent when they abuse but here u are talking big.
@ramaraksha01Gee, everyone knows that crap of Ms and Cs saying Hindus are idolators, pagans, infidels & that we are ALL going to Hell are bs. Ms says that Cs will not go to heaven and Cs says M will not go to heaven. No one knows where anyone is going. So why such a big deal with this crap? Don;t you have anything left to talk about?
@citizenOfNowhere777 No one knows, so one can indulge in any abuse? And yes i Know, when the skin is white, they can do anything they want, right? I see a racist, 2nd class citizen who thinks whites are better, who comes up with excuses for whites
But u have an advantage over me-u know me, I am Hindu. What are u? or who are u? Atheist, Christian, muslim? Indian or other? Don't lie now, that will help me present my case better
@ramaraksha01 My blood is mostly the same as yours but I do not follow any religion. I do not believe in any of those crap (referring to theology) though I respect the ethics taught all the religions.
@citizenOfNowhere777 Then insult or view all religions the same way. Why only abuse Hinduism? u seem to have a 2nd class slave mentality or bias when it comes to western religions. Take a look at sunnis&shias running around killing each other. over the course of history,christianity was supposed to have killed upto 50 million people!Hitler was a symptom of the hatred that the church had nurtured over the years against jews, they made sure Hitler would get all the blame, but he had plenty of help
if the Buddha had been born in Europe or muslim lands, he would have been branded a heretic & tortured to death! His writings consigned to the fire, his followers murdered! There would be no Buddhism today! No Sikhism, jainism, Zoarashtrism, Bohra Islam nor the innumerable tribal religions!
Even today, can u name one non-christian western leader? one non-muslim leader from the muslim lands?
@ramaraksha01 Islam and Christianity do not abuse atheists and agnostics. People do. And Hindu remains to , a this day the only religion that has forced young wives of old Maharajas to die in fire or be an outcast and live in shame. In Islam, widows are married and protected. We all know who is blind, don't we?
@citizenOfNowhere777 "People do. And Hindu remains to , a this day the only religion that has forced young wives of old Maharajas to die in fire" - bias again. How come it's not people doing bad in Hinduism? When it comes to ur religions it is people, but when it comes to us it is religion? Talk about being blind, lol
@ramaraksha01 WTF ae you accusing me as biased when you're the one who brought up what people do in the name of other religions? The only thing I eve said in regard to these videos was that it is not historical info. But you took it as I attacked your religion because you are a fool and take this series which is not even authentic mahabhaat as historical info. Being an Indian, you should be ashamed of yourself for such ignorance.
@citizenOfNowhere777 aren't u biased? I see u did not answer my question-why is it bad people when it comes to other religions, but it is religion when bad things happen in India?
Tell me, is Islam responsible for Terrorism? Are muslims Terrorists? How about pedophiles? Are christians priests pedophiles?
FYI my view - No, muslims are not terrorists, islam does not teach that & no christians are not pedophiles & christianity does not teach that
@citizenOfNowhere777 Reg wife burning - this is a very traditional country but the women have an edge, u'll see it if u meet Indian women. Time was when a city lost a war, the women were raped, killed. Some chose to kill themselves rather than go thru that(did u see Bruce Lee Movie-Enter the Dragon-what his sister did?), that's how this got started, unfortunately as time went on it degenerated into something horrible. Thank God it no longer happens
@citizenOfNowhere777 hence, Closer to God Rama. Atheism highlights this viewpoint
I also say ALL Good souls are welcomed by God Rama(in contrast to certain religions that reserve Heaven for themselves)-Athiests, Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Klingons etc-ALL are welcome. Again it is character that is paramount
firemen being Hindus-sorry the issue is about most people running away from the burning buildings whereas the firemen were running in
Hindus are the few that choose to come back to...
Most others have build elaborate castles for themselves "upthere" and are running away, Hindus are rushing back in, just like the fire fighters, not that they were Hindu as per their religion-they were Hindu like
As for insulting other religions-are these the same that call us pagans, infedels & tell us we & our loved ones are all going to eternal Hell? Eternal torture? These are the people i need to respect?
@citizenOfNowhere777 I lost my mother recently-is she being tortured? raped? our little children beaten, abused?
Have u ever spoken out about this issue? No sir, i assume u took this as natural-u just ignore it like everyone does? We speak up, suddenly it is an issue?
The Buddhists say there is no God, are they insulting everyone else? Different beliefs mean that we will not agree with one another-it is not meant to be an insult-it is highlighting what our faith is teaching us
@ramaraksha01 All firemen were Hindus? Which planet have you come from? Also, you obviously didn't see a documentary in which the Muslims firemen talked about his experience in 911. It was on PBS. No Hindu firemen story was on PBS.
@ramaraksha01 The concept of Hell is also present in The Mahabharata but I don't think it is as you see it, not in The Mahabharata neither in the Bible.
@naujphantom the problem or great thing about Hinduism is that it absorbs ideas from other religions - we took Buddha even though he broke from Hinduism & established his own faith. The concept of a Hell seeped into Hinduism to my great sadness, it has no place in Hinduism nor in any religion for that matter
u are inaccurate about the Bible-u hear threats from them almost every day condemning good people to a horrible fate
Hell as I see it is not a bad thing. Imagine someone very sick that needs a very painful treatment to be better. That's my concept of hell. I don't believe in "eternal" punishment as I don't see the purpose in it, neither it is supported in the Bible.
@naujphantom Well u seem to be an intelligent, educated, open-minded person - so I hope to reach ur common sense. The ancient world was much, much harsher & violent than the present day. Harsher - that is easy to see - not much law & order, primitive medicine, old age was especially hard because there was no pension or SS to fall back on. Even today on my visit to India i saw an old begger couple & i wonder, were they alwasy so poor? Of course, in the olden days, might was right
@naujphantom so that's when the concepts of Heaven & hell came into being. Heaven is a dream & as real as one. Life is harsh, so a nice afterlife sounded wonderful & religions jumped right in to tell people what they wanted to hear
Christianity, islam are the religions for the weak & cowardly - here is bad, here is not good, so u create a nice, pleasurable fantasy castle. A God who has nothing better to do than to be ur servant, cater to ur every need
@naujphantom Of course when there is little law & order, the victim has no other recourse but to curse his tormentor & hope a higher authority will punish him - enter the concept of Hell! Cruel times, a cruel Hell! Even now - ask a senior citizen & he will probably say when he misbehaved he got the belt! Beating a child - doesn't happen now
Ancient religions - backward & primitive
Hinduism differed from the above - there is no Heaven, there is no Hell
@naujphantom Would u apply that kind of painful treatment to ur child? With torture one can make u do anything - how is it treatment?
Think about it - A God who can turn a Hitler into a Gandhiji, a Mother Teresa into a Hitler with one thought needs to use torture? That again shows the false teachings of ur religion
Please let go of Hell - u let that in - u let Hate into ur heart. Hate no one. Let God deal with the likes of Hitler in Her own way - We must not think he goes to Hell
@naujphantom Well let's take a young black man born in the poorest of the towns. Sorrounded by crime & drugs-his own pushing him to steal at an early age. Lack of education, poverty - he does some bad things. Does he deserve Hell? Is it not a bit unfair? The axiom - it takes a village to raise a child - totally true. As a member of a country, society, WE are ALL responsible for the state of our society, our country
The very concept that some INDIVIDUAL deserves to be tortured is wrong
"I don't know, that depends on the requirements for going to Hell and if he fulfill the requirements but I want to remark that I don't believe that not going to Heaven implies going to Hell."
I am not referring to Hell as a place where you get tortured.
@naujphantom And I do believe that u are being a bit disingenious here. The Bible does talk about the lake of fire - what is it, just a hot bath? Just punch in the word "Hell" here in YouTube and u can get hundreds of videos threatening dire consequences for not belonging to a certain religion. The left-behind series of christian books that sold millions - X gets heaven because he is a christian & the rest can live in peace on earth? oh no! They must be punished! They must be hurt! These are
Haha, very funny. As I see it, the lake of fire is a reference to destruction. When there is no more chance of redeeming, beings gets destroyed so their soul can have another chance at reaching the light.
I believe these are extreme cases and that it is for their own sake.
I don't believe in the doctrine that says that you will get saved just for being a Christian or condemned if you aren't.
@naujphantom "I believe these are extreme cases and that it is for their own sake" OMG, OMG, OMG! It is one thing for humans to justify torture-they say they want to get info so that future attacks can be prevented-but it makes no sense for God to apply torture! what info does God want?
Think about it-this is a MAN-made religion-these ideas are not from God-but guys who lived 2,000 yrs ago-that is obvious when u think about these things in a clear light
@naujphantom "No Hell? By Karma you can get rebirth and get boiled/burned to death right here"
There is pain here, suffering is here, but where else would u rather be? When 911 happened, thousands were running away from the two buildings-a bunch of firefighters & policemen were running towards the burning buildings
Which one are u? The guy who builds fancy castles in the air & runs away
or
comes back & fights for a better earth? We Hindus are coming back - this is our Home!
@ramaraksha01 "Which one are u? The guy who builds fancy castles in the air & runs away or comes back & fights for a better earth? We Hindus are coming back - this is our Home!"
And where is the concept of renunciation? I don't think you should fight to have a better Home, you should fight if it is your Duty or your Dharma but oh! Ramaraksha: renounce the fruit of action!
@naujphantom "but Karma seems an eye for an eye" - not really - that was a cheap explanation told by some Hindus-that is wrong. God's justice is not so cheap
As we lead our life, by doing good or bad we accumulate good or bad karma. If we accumulate bad karma we must repay it in the next life. We are not compelled to do so, we are simply given the opportunity that's all
U may have encountered karma-I did. I once ran into a muslim girl in chicago, who was thrown out of the house by her in-laws
@ramaraksha01 "We are not compelled to do so, we are simply given the opportunity that's all"
Oh, that's much better. I went to wikipedia and read a little bit about Karma and realized there are different views just as there are different views about many ideas in Christianism.
The story of why Dharma incarnates as Vidur portraits Karma in a bad way.
@naujphantom sorry no Hell, no Heaven either! No torture chamber nor a flesh pot. no 72 virgins, no pleasures of the flesh! Hindus have a higher goal & that goal must be EARNED! No amount of begging & groveling will get u Moksha-it must be EARNED!
Watch some of my videos - i recommend - How to Pray
@naujphantom ""Hindus have a higher goal & that goal must be EARNED!"
I believe we have the same goal and I also believe that it must be earned" - if ur religion teaches that then why the reference to begging for mercy? For us God is a Teacher, u get an F, u earned it. U must now work hard to get that A, which u can in ur next birth, so there is no question of begging for mercy. If u beg ur Teacher to change ur grade, u shame urself as well as the Teacher
@naujphantom "When the Vasus were cursed by Vashishta to be born in Earth they begged for mercy.When Parashurama found out the truth about Karna, Karna begged for mercy' what? Just because a certain character begged for his life, does not mean the same thing
The fact is that u have only one life-u are one-and-done, urs is a King religion. Get down on ur knees, beg & grovel & hope the king takes mercy & lets u stay in his castle. Or else it is the dungeon(hell) for u
@naujphantom Hinduism is a Teacher faith. Moksha must be EARNED - it cannot be begged for nor given. It is like getting an F, u must earn that A, begging for it shames not only u, but ur Teacher also
A Hindu dies without paying off his debts, he or she must come back & repay-that is the right thing to do, whereas a christain or muslim is left begging for mercy, which a nice merciful God is always happy to do
I say, what abut the victim? ur religion says, who?
@naujphantom "Forgiveness does not obviates punishment"-as i keep saying, an ancient religion teaching backward, primitive values
Before when a child misbehaved, he could expect a beating. The ancient world was a very violent world
Today, when a child misbehaves, parents do not beat that child. It becomes a TEACHING moment. it is more difficult-much easier to give the kid a slap & scream at him. Harder to make the child see right from wrong without using violence
@naujphantom "When a man murders a man is it also a TEACHING moment" - yes. Think of prince harry or philip - born with a golden spoon, 10 nannies to take care of his every need, never having to work a day in his life. He spends some time helping the needy & the poor. he is going to heaven, yes?
Then take a poor black kid born in the projects, seeing no love but violence & sex as he grows up. Drugs & gangs rampant-pushed into stealing by his own
Do u think this is fair? One is given every opportunity to succeed, while the other is given no shot
The point is that WE are ALL responsible for the condition of our society
"We weren't talking about a child"-it would be nice if u could get the point that i was making. I was saying that the olden days were very violent, there was little law & order-hence the violent treatment towards a child, towards criminals
I already answered this question. I repeat: I don't think people go either to Hell or either to Heaven and I don't see rebirth contradictory with Christianity.
@naujphantom "There is no work in fantasy island, there is no God there"
Isn't God everywhere? - u can't take this so literally. I meant there is no fantasy island, there is no free lunch, no free dinners or breakfasts either for eternity
Heaven is a myth, a dream and as real as one
Our way is Tough - it is tough sledding asking a coward to stand firm & fight. Running away is soooo tempting
yes it is safe underneath the bed, it is safer as we put more distance between the fighting &ourselves
@naujphantom How can a warrior convince a coward? How can he describe the joy of fighting to save his people, fight for personal glory, to gain the right to be called a hero?
Hinduism is trying to do that - stay, stand with God & fight for a better earth - yes the same land of sin, darkness, pain & suffering
But things won't get better by running away, they get worse!
God's work is Here, God is Here. We Hindus choose to stay with God
The more you talk, the less it sounds like Hinduism"-it is like the Warrior trying to coax the coward to stand & fight-fight for ur loved ones, to become a hero, for personal glory! All that is lost on the coward
@naujphantom Hinduism came up with a long time ago. Hinduism is so much advanced. While primitive religions like urs came up with either forgiveness or unrelenting torture for mistakes, Hinduism said there is a better way & that way is for u LEARN from ur mistakes, the idea is that we ALL can become better people
Brutal punishment is not the way - but ur religion came when brutality was the norm
@naujphantom yes ur religion is getting politically correct. I am saddened that the many good christians & muslims prefer to remain silent on the issue of torture-the good cop, bad cop game is played. The bad cop runs around telling innocent tribals or the uneducated poor that they will be tortured & guys like u remain silent, while giving them more money to continue their proselytization
@naujphantom keep score. Hinduism is a Teacher faith. If u fail to show up for class or do not do ur homework, a good Teacher will treat u like an adult-is not going to punish u. U will simply fail the class & learn the consequences. Karma & Rebirth is about how u can LEARN from one's mistakes, it is not about being beaten or forgiven just because u have learned to beg & grovel
@naujphantom "Rama was a Warrior, Jesus was called Ravi teacher"-it depends on the person-people read the Ramayana & they see a man who killed evil and saved his wife. I see a man who stood up for Good & did the right thing, no matter the cost, sadly that is lost on some people
BTW Hinduism IS a warrior faith also. On 911-how many would choose to run TOWARDS the burning buildings?
Every other religious person is running away from the harshness of life-running away to fantasy islands
@naujphantom "it doesn't follow that the victim is left unattended only because the guilty doesn't fix the damage"- again u are not understanding the concept. God in the Hindu sense is about Teaching us right from wrong, about doing the right thing. If u do right by the victim, then there is no need to ask for forgiveness
The reason u ask for forgiveness or begging for mercy, is because u did not do the right thing & religions like christianity make it easy-death bed confessions, God is so
@naujphantom merciful, don't worry just get donw on ur knees & beg like a dog & nice God will forgive u & off u go to merry heaven.
Please tell me, where is the victim mentioned? Is the criminal/perpetrator even asking about the victim? I don't see it. He wants forgiveness so that he can happily scoot off to heaven, the victim be damned
That's where Karma & Rebirth differs - we are reborn because of the victim-there are debts to pay-WE have to pay them, not beg & grovel our way out
@naujphantom "I already answered this point, read Matthew 5:3-12" - no, ur religion is all about conversion - how to tell the criminal/perpetrator what he wants to hear. Death bed confessions-really? Again how does it help the victim that his abuser is now sorry for what he had done?
Hinduism is a Teacher faith-u have to EARN ur grade. The question of begging, groveling, asking for forgiveness or mercy does not even arise! U either pass or fail. If u failed, take it on the chin-do not beg
But then urs is a King religon - God made in the image of a medieval king. Get down on ur knees, beg for mercy & hope he will take pity on u & let u stay in his castle or else it is the dungeon for u
There is no chance of doing right by the victim-u are not coming back-the only thing u can do is beg & grovel
Hinduism gives u that chance. U don't have to beg & grovel. U don't have to beg for mercy or pity
A Hindu STANDS Tall before God, his head held high, he
@ramaraksha01 I already answered everything you are saying here, it seems that you don't like to beg. ok, but where does it say in the Bible that you have to beg?
@naujphantom acknowledges his mistakes, he comes back to make amends. That is the right way, the right thing to do
U break something at a party? Certainly apologize, but make sure u replace it, even if it costs u an arm & leg. That is what Karma & Rebirth gives u - an opportunity to correct ur wrongs
But a weak coward does not want that-religions like urs tell him what he wants to hear. He does not have to do the right thing, he does not have to fight-he can just beg, grovel & run away! yay!
@naujphantom owed to? Or the young child that is abused by the pedophile? The pedophile is told all he has to do is really, really be sorry & for God that is enough
Not in Hinduism - u must make amends-that debt has to be repaid, the pedophile must acknowledge his mistake publicly & work to make amends
Our way is Tougher, Harder
At the same time, Karma & Rebirth gives us an opportunity to make amends, something one-and-done religions do not. They fall back on making it easy for criminals
@naujphantom "I believe we have the same goal" - not even close
Think of being rich & being able to buy anything - food, sex, drink etc-that's Heaven for u, ur religion says u can beg ur way there
now think of writing music like Mozart, math like Einstein, thoughts of Gandhiji-no amt of money can buy that nor can u get that by begging. The only way is to work hard & learn it-EARN it
That is where Karma & Rebirth come in - without rebirth how do propose to Earn Moksha? Moksha is the PHD of
@naujphantom PHd's - it will take several births, but we Hindus are willing to do that.
Not for us cheap pleasures of the flesh-the food, the drink, the sex & 72 virgins - u can dream of having it-personally i think God has better things to do than be a servant & cater to selfish cowards till eternity!
For an Hindu you seem a bit intolerant- the fact is that Heaven is a reaction towards the harshness of life. We think we have it bad today, but this is paradise compared to what our ancestors had to go thru-an accident meant starving to death, because most jobs depended on manual labor & there was no insurance or workers rights
So natually people dreamed of a nice cushy afterlife, a nice God who will take care of them, cater to their every
@ramaraksha01 Heaven is present all over the place in the Mahabharata it is not presented as a metaphor.
Fear of Death? Hinduism doesn't teach to fear Death. Why would you fear Death if you get rebirth. Makes more sense to fear Death if you can go to Hell but I don't think the Bible teaches to fear Death unless you are a bad... a very bad man mr. Seinfeld.
@naujphantom "Heaven is present all over the place in the Mahabharata' - u seem to know a bit about Hinduism. Do u know that we actually do not have anything that is titled "word of God"? - these texts are ancient, we revere them but every Hindu is told that these texts were written by humans, even we are not sure who
The only thing that comes close to a bible or koran in the Hindu sense is the Ramayana - the story of Rama. It was supposedly written by Sage Valmiki who they say lived during
@naujphantom God Rama's time & therefore what he wrote could be authentic. Even then these stories are not to be taken literally, there is a message that is being sent from these stories, take the message, do not get lost in the story
Take the Ramayana- u see a man committed to values, there is no magic or miracles here. Just a man striving to do the right thing the best he knew
Rama never said he was God-the unique thing about the Ramayana
@ramaraksha01 "Even then these stories are not to be taken literally"
The same happens with the Bible, some take it literally some focus on the message.
"there is no magic or miracles here"
The Ramayana is filled with magic and miracles, if a flying monkey lifting up a mountain is not something out of the ordinary for you I don't know what is it.
"Rama never said he was God"
It wasn't necessary, there was plenty of others saying it.
@naujphantom I helped her a bit but i was a bit dumb & did not realize her predicament, later i realzed i should have done more. That is my Karma calling & i failed to step up. In life u may also get such chances when u could have made a difference - that is ur karma-what u decide to do either increases or decreses ur good or bad karma
i think people need to respect every religion, practice, way of life...live and let live...life is too damn short to criticize other's beliefs...just see beauty in the world and learn how to make it even better for us and future generations. see beauty and meaning from this video and I am not even Hindu...point is we should love our differences and understand them and try to make world more peaceful.
shahp478 1 day ago
the horse sounds like something out of an old Godzilla flick; what gives?
kyddoemiko.
kyddoemiko100 1 month ago
i love hindu and greek mythologies. these mythical stories are quite entertaining.
there is wisdom too in these mythical stories.
human mind is capabale of unlimited creation.
it can create gods, afterlife, reincarnation,
hell, heavens, angels, houris,
harry potter, lord of the rings,
james bond,
sherlock holmes, etc, ect.
zulfitareen 2 months ago
@zulfitareen Please do not call them myths - exaggerated maybe, but certainly not myths. U are insulting a lot of people by calling them myths
As for harry potter, hell etc - please if u want magic, miracles go somewhere else. Magic, miracles are for the child, the weak & cowardly. Stuff done without having to do any work, sacrifice, sweat or toil
That is certainly not God's Teaching, this is not what Hinduism Teaches
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01
if you check oxford dictionay it is called hindu and greek mythologies.
do you it is based on truth.
rawan having 10 heads, kalima having 10 tongues.
of course not.
if you post your mythical stories on youtube you will get the comments, good or bad. if you want to avoid comments then avoid youtube.
zulfitareen 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01
if your monkey god can fly across sky then muslims can also claim that their prophet rode into sky on a white horse too.
you think muslims are lying?
zulfitareen 2 months ago
@zulfitareen When did i criticize muslims or islam? I never use the word myth when it comes to islam or christianity. U used that word & specifically mentioned Greek & Hindu & i noticed that u did not mention islam or christianity. If u are saying all these are also myths - then u are ok, but if u are singling certain religions out then u not being fair
As for oxford dictionary- what is that, the oracle? A book printed out by white christians is going to give us a fair shot?
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01
in first comment i already ridiculed the idea of afterlife, hell, heavens and houris.
these are insepable part of islamic faith.
PLZ CHECK OUT MY FIRST COMMENT AGAIN.
BESIDES MY PROFILE WILL TELL YOU EVERYTHING ABOUT ME.
zulfitareen 2 months ago
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We asians are expert in selling vacuum cleaners to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaners of judaism and chrisianity to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaner of Islam to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaners of Hinduism, Sikhism and Budhism to the world.
Ever wondered why no Prophet, Imam, Son of God, Bhagwan or Guru was ever born in Englnad, Holland, Poland, Norway, NZ, and, Australia, or Brazil.
we specialize in creating and selling the vacuum cleaners in the name of religion.
zulfitareen 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01
"Religion is the biggest vacuum cleaner ever sold
to the people
by the people
to rip off people”.
Think critically
Zulfiqar Tareen, a friend of all, enemy of none.
zulfitareen 2 months ago
@zulfitareen Ok good I have no problem with Atheists. I did not realize u were one. U specifically mentioned Hindu & Greek & i thought u were singling us out
For Hindus, it is not religion that gets u closer to God, but Character. If u are a good person, u are with God
A Good Atheist is closer to God Rama than even a Good Hindu, so says this Hindu
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01
my family suffered at the hands of islam.
the islamic armies caused death and destruction in inidia in the name of religion for 1000 years.
the christian armies wiped out the entire south american civilization in the name of their faith.
the pusymitra sunga and king mihirakula completely wiped out budhist civilization in india in the name of their religion.
RELIGION DIVIDED MY BEAUTIFUL MOHTERLAND INDIA.
IT PROVES THAT RELIGION IS MAN-MADE AND A FORCE OF EVIL.
zulfitareen 2 months ago
@zulfitareen "the pusymitra sunga and king mihirakula completely wiped out budhist civilization in india in the name of their religion" - wait, doesn't it follow that the Budhists must have wiped out the previous religion? Why are u giving THEM a break?
The fact is that there is no recorded evidence of the Buddhists ever using violence to spread their faith & I need u to admit that there has been no evidence of Hinduism using violence either!
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@zulfitareen u can't judge ALL religions the same way-u can't put all religions in the same basket. Islam & Christianity are King Religions - God made in the image of a medeival King. Get down on ur knees, beg for mercy & hopefully the king will let u stay in his castle(heaven) or else it is the dungeon for u(hell)
What keeps a King awake at night? Disloyalty! Ergo if u are disloyal(ie not a member of the religion or an Atheist) u are a danger to the king, so u must be punished, killed!
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@zulfitareen Hinduism, like Buddhism is a Teacher faith-the classroom is a mini democracy. Islamic pakistan lurches from one despot to another while Hindu India, to everyone's surprise, is a shining democracy
If the Buddha had been born in Europe or muslim lands he would have been branded a heretic & tortured to death! His Teachings burned! His followers fed to the lions!
There would have been no Buddhism today! No Sikhism, Jainism, zoarashtrism, Bohra islam nor Tibetan Buddhism either!
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01
i agree that islam is the most evil idealogy. but other religions are not far behind. check out the caste system that deprived the majority of indians of their humanity, forced the lower caste members to serve highter caste and live at sube human level for 1000s of years.
zulfitareen 2 months ago
@zulfitareen In the Ramayana, Sage Vishwamitra, the Teacher of God Rama, was not born a Brahmin, he later became one. Originally caste was basically a division based on work, u educate urself u became a Brahmin. Today we say X is a nurse, Y is a doctor. nothing wrong with that
The ancients were only trying to categorize the world around them - the 4 seasons, the 4 directions, the 4 dimensions, the 4 vedas, ergo 4 diff types of job categories
The problem happens when some people put up barries
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 perfect reply are correct explaination...!!!!
seanmcbride1 2 months ago
@zulfitareen & don't allow others to enter. The Brahmins realized the power they held & made sure only they & their families could benefit from it. It is not what the religion taught.
Even today, if u read any economics books u will see it-a united minority can shut off competition & make the majority pay for their benefit-see how the farm lobby manipulates the congress here in the US-they are a tiny minority, but they carry a big clout
Thankfully things are changing nowdays-to me, it is the
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@zulfitareen practice of arranged marriages that kept the evil caste system alive. Today, more & more young people are falling in love & are getting married, caste be damned. It is the hope of Hindus like myself that their numbers will only increase & caste will be eliminated
To me - to raise the issue of caste is somewhat like saying all whites are racist - not a very nice thing to say. Many a Hindu has fought to end this practice of division
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01
selling a vacuum cleaner is an american proverb. it means whatever you are trying to sell me has no truth in it and your intention is to rip me off.
zulfitareen 2 months ago
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One of the greatest Heros... loyal, selfless character, a great son ....Beeshma
tjxkid 4 months ago
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tjxkid 4 months ago
...in ancient histor7!
GrimMeph 6 months ago
and he is surprised everytime....smh
mzdiplomat1 7 months ago
stop bitching .. this shit is perfect.. get your heads out of your high tech asses... its called texture..we used to have lots of it before computers swallowed up all of humanities style! learn to enjoy grass roots creativity!
podzillart 7 months ago 2
Where are the subtitles???
GorgeousGeorge108 8 months ago
Ah!! I understand now. The subtitles are hardcoded.
GorgeousGeorge108 8 months ago
only thing these videos need are an easy link to take u to the next video..sometimes i cant find the next one in the reccomended vids,wonder if anyone else has this trouble
kogaKageOokami 11 months ago 3
These subtitles are bad. This looks like it is from the DVD which are incomplete!
Rajshri, please use caption feature and give us improved, more accurate subtitles!
yootoobnewbie 11 months ago
ok so anyone else incredibly frustrated with all the google ads in the middle of this beatiful program?
crazyhippylady 1 year ago 2
this show is really great...but the entire time they abuse animals........
kiwieeheart 1 year ago
Thanks for the English sub-titles. I was never taught thisreligion or culture in my schooling. Have always wanted to learn. This makes it very enjoyable. Very interesting morality plays in the stories. - Really like the seed of democracy that is shown with doers vs by birth for leaders. Very wise.
MegF142857 1 year ago
Very interesting. Lots of good incites in this...
aquariancalendar 1 year ago
What episodes cover the Bhagavad Gita?
AlienshateU 1 year ago
to see THOSE dancers?!?!?!?!? they're AWFUL!!!! but thi s is cool!
ADMJCXNK97fan 1 year ago
These Harry Reid commercials in this video are annoying. Harry Reid can suck on my nutsack. And he's my senator. I'm so gonna enjoy voting against that douchebag in a few months.
coyotedkm 1 year ago
Whenever , the dharma of the humanity is attacked an aspect of God almighty , is coming on the earth to save He`s children.Of course Lord Jesus was teach us to forgive , an all of the encarnation is teaching us to have compassion ,and love. For this the human kind has to have the Yoga .Yoga is not to do ,is to be in.The human kind has to realise that we are the spirit ...and this only can achived by beaing in the Yoga
katonalevi 1 year ago
Hare Krishna!
Personally, I'm very grateful for these videos. Thank you for posting.
Chexpeare 1 year ago
Hari bol hare krsnaaaa
AssociationsTv 1 year ago
Hell is a vile, abusive, disgusting concept. God buys love & loyalty with torture? A Gandhi, Teresa, Mandela would never think of torturing their enemies, whereas a Saddam, Hitler, Stalin would. This is the company that God keeps? Karma & Rebirth is the better, the non-violent way. You are not punished, nor are you simply forgiven because you begged enough. The most important aspect of Karma is that you are held accountable for your actions, you are reborn, given another chance to make amends.
ramaraksha01 2 years ago 24
@ramaraksha01
What can be said of a mother beating, abusing a child? Do you interpret it as mother buys love and loyalty with torture? And I am sure none of us would have been better humans had their parents forgiven their slights to only give a chance to make amends!
pranavvarna 1 year ago
@pranavvarna u are a bit behind the times - the days of parents beating their children are over - if u do that in western countries - you go to jail, period. When a parent says do this or else i will beat u - basically it's an order - the child learns nothing, except to do what he is told because of fear. Don't u think there should be a better way? How about the parent patiently TEACHING the child the diff between right & wrong? Everyone benefits.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@pranavvarna FYI i am not the one talking about forgiveness, guess who? islam & christianity are big on that - just beg & grovel & god will forgive u. What if a judge here on earth simply forgives a criminal? That's not right. Karma is not about forgiveness but it's not about physical abuse either - that's the point. It's about LEARNING the diff between right & wrong & God doesn't use physical abuse to TEACH us that.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 Of course hell is real. Where do you think all these demonic entities in the vedas and epics come from and reside?
AlienshateU 1 year ago
@AlienshateU By doing so u are basically saying God is a torturer? God Rama is a torturer? God Krishna tortures people? Goddess Durga delights in inflicting pain & punishment? Blindly belieiving in what is written in some old book is Idolatry. I refuse to believe that my Rama would torture anyone - my Rama is no torturer, period. There is a better way, the non-violent way of Karma & Rebirth.
Ur child misbehaves - do u let it go, beat him OR TEACH him Right from Wrong? Which is the better way?
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 No one has to go to hell. Just accept Christ, be saved, and repent. Easy. If you don't then yes hell awaits. Lucifer is the torturer and deceiver. Lucifer hides under many pagan names like Cernunnos, Odin, Zeus, etc. In India alone he hides under the names- Shiva, Kali, Rudra, and Indra (your country is named after him!). Your asuras are the Greek titans, Sumerian annunaki, and what the hebrews call the nephilim.
AlienshateU 1 year ago
@AlienshateU yes i know real easy - that's how u convert, right? if we don't listen suddenly this "loving" god turns into a saddam husain, ready to torture us till eternity! "loving" god indeed - funny, he acts just like a despot like saddam - get down on ur knees, beg & grovel like dogs & u get his pleasure palace. Dare to stand up or question him, u get tortured? This is how u want to live? like a slave, down on ur knees, begging & groveling like a dog?
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@AlienshateU That's where Hinduism differs - it is not an easy faith, our faith is tougher. This is a Teacher faith, our God asks us to STAND Up, question him, that's what a good student does. This is no carrot & stick faith - we have to EARN Moksha, we have to EARN Repentance, God's grace is EARNED! FYI, we don't have hell - our God is no torturer, period.
This faith may be too hard for u, u know having to EARN everything? go, down on ur knees like a good dog wag ur tail.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago 3
Krishna's supposed teachings are somewhat good but much is missing. Most importantly Krishna did not die to redeem you and forgive your sins like Christ did. Christianity is not exactly easy. You have to have great faith, and repent of all sin to be a new creature, help the less fortunate, and spread this truth to as many as possible to save them as well. Christians will soon be killed by the millions when then asuras return pretending to be "aliens" in their vimanas. Humility is taught in ep.2
AlienshateU 1 year ago
@AlienshateU so krishnas teachings are missing ...being christianity?o 0
kogaKageOokami 11 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Basicaly,one is invited to "grow up" spiritualy,wheres the Middle eastern ideologies(Christin,Judaiac,Islamic) it is more of dogmatic threats with "ifs" and "but's" and damnation. Kama (Action/Reaction) is Gods own mechanical proccess to ensure 1's own mastery of life,1 will beget what they sow by THEIR OWN VIRTUE,not punishment by GOD, constant negativity will ensure 1 own begetment of negative suroundings and the reverse also true,positivity begets positivity. Hare Krisna!
glennbuchanan29 4 months ago
@Do not speak of religions (middle eastern) that you do not know but learned what you think it was and criticized.
citizenOfNowhere777 4 months ago
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@glennbuchanan29 Do not speak of religions (middle eastern) that you do not know but learned what you think it was and criticized.
citizenOfNowhere777 4 months ago
@glennbuchanan29 These western religions are King religions - their concept of God came from their King - God made in the image of their medeival king. Think of the analogy - brought before the king, subjects went down on their knees, shaking with fear, begging for mercy. This is no democracy, his word was law! If pleased u could stay in his kingdom(heaven) or else it is the dungeons for u(Hell)
The king says the sky is green, u better agree - u must be loyal or else! Hence their threats
ramaraksha01 4 months ago
@ramaraksha01
That's a great thought !!!
tjxkid 4 months ago
@tjxkid Hinduism is a Teacher faith - We are ALL children/students of God. Fear of God is not taught in Hinduism, love & respect God but never fear. U are never threatened, u are allowed freedom of thought in Hinduism, non-Hindus, nor Atheists are never condemned.
Moksha is Earned, u cannot beg or grovel for Moksha
If God says the sky is Green, every Hindu MUST disagree!
ramaraksha01 4 months ago
@ramaraksha01 The earth might be green someday as we never know how things will be changing in the universe 15 billions years from now.
citizenOfNowhere777 4 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Who told you that God is abusive? You are so cluelessly ignorant.
citizenOfNowhere777 4 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 er, i said Hell is an abusive concept, not God being abusive. As a Hindu, I believe in Moksh, in Karma & Rebirth. I do not believe Heaven & Hell exist - not even for the likes of Hitler. The concept of Hell creats a hateful mind - we need to get rid of these ancient, backward & primitive concepts
ramaraksha01 4 months ago
@ramaraksha01 And believe in Karma & Rebirth is modern? You amuse me my friend, talking about the religion you do not know in depth. Some of you get so carried away with lofty philosophical talks in Mahabharata as if the whole society practiced, even back then, live with such high morals. The most cruel form of slavery known as caste system arose in India. Don't you forget that!
citizenOfNowhere777 4 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 yes always with the pointing fingers, they teach hate in ur places of worship don't they? Can u post the Bible's views on slavery?
How about the torture & killings of every native population once they came into contact with christianity? Every native population - American, mexican, Australian - totally decimated - killed like animals. Giving disease ladden blankets to native americans. Building America on the backs of slaves. Killing 6 million jews-what's in ur closet?
ramaraksha01 4 months ago
@ramaraksha01 You are assuming that I practice any religion. All religions are made by man, including yours.
citizenOfNowhere777 4 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 Sorry i assumed u were christian or muslim
Not all religions are alike - A Good Atheist is closer to God Rama than even a Good Hindu, so says this Hindu, does that tell u something?
As for Karma & Rebirth-Life is Harsh, much, much harsher for our ancestors. So they came up with a nice Heaven waitin for them "upthere"-the proverbial far away "smooth" mountain
Hinduism says no, if life is tough get to work, make it better, Here! That's the essential lesson of Karm & Rebirth
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@ramaraksha01 A good atheist? Why not a good human? Why does it have to be an atheist? Beside, Hinduism (ultimately) has the concept of creator G-d.
Hinduism is NOT the only religions that tries to make life better for humans. Like I said, do not insult the religions you know nothing beyond what the Western media portrays. It is unintelligent.
citizenOfNowhere777 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 Please calm down-stop trying to find mistakes in everything that is posted-it says u are young & uninformed
What matters in Hinduism is character, not religion. When we die only our soul & our Karma goes to meet God. Not our sex, religion etc
The reason I used Atheists is that most religious people look towards a reward when they do good things-if not in this life in the next or afterlife. Atheists do not-that's the way to approach things. Do good because u want to
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@ramaraksha01 You're the one who needs to clam down after making lies about Hindu firemen and all that. And stop forcing your belief in karma on us.
citizenOfNowhere777 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 Just making statements-u don't have to engage me in conversation or anything
I see u did not answer my question-the christians & muslims run around saying we are idolators, pagans, infedels & that we are ALL going to Hell. Such respect
I see that u stay silent when they abuse but here u are talking big.
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@ramaraksha01Gee, everyone knows that crap of Ms and Cs saying Hindus are idolators, pagans, infidels & that we are ALL going to Hell are bs. Ms says that Cs will not go to heaven and Cs says M will not go to heaven. No one knows where anyone is going. So why such a big deal with this crap? Don;t you have anything left to talk about?
citizenOfNowhere777 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 No one knows, so one can indulge in any abuse? And yes i Know, when the skin is white, they can do anything they want, right? I see a racist, 2nd class citizen who thinks whites are better, who comes up with excuses for whites
But u have an advantage over me-u know me, I am Hindu. What are u? or who are u? Atheist, Christian, muslim? Indian or other? Don't lie now, that will help me present my case better
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@ramaraksha01 My blood is mostly the same as yours but I do not follow any religion. I do not believe in any of those crap (referring to theology) though I respect the ethics taught all the religions.
citizenOfNowhere777 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 Then insult or view all religions the same way. Why only abuse Hinduism? u seem to have a 2nd class slave mentality or bias when it comes to western religions. Take a look at sunnis&shias running around killing each other. over the course of history,christianity was supposed to have killed upto 50 million people!Hitler was a symptom of the hatred that the church had nurtured over the years against jews, they made sure Hitler would get all the blame, but he had plenty of help
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@ramaraksha01 I didn't insult Hinduism. I make fun pf people like you claiming Mahabharat as historical facts.
citizenOfNowhere777 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 America was settled by whom? Fleeing from whom?
if the Buddha had been born in Europe or muslim lands, he would have been branded a heretic & tortured to death! His writings consigned to the fire, his followers murdered! There would be no Buddhism today! No Sikhism, jainism, Zoarashtrism, Bohra Islam nor the innumerable tribal religions!
Even today, can u name one non-christian western leader? one non-muslim leader from the muslim lands?
India till yesterday had a muslim
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 as our president, a catholic born in italy is the leader of the nation, a Sikh is the PM! And we are a Hindu country!
While christianity & islam both abuse Atheists & Agnostics, Hinduism has never done that. The Buddha took that teaching into Buddhism
Hinduism remaiins to this day, the only major religion, to pray to a FEMALE form of God! Giving equality to the sexes(Ardhanariswara) 7,000 yrs ago!
it is right before ur eyes, but u can be blind when u think 2nd class
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Islam and Christianity do not abuse atheists and agnostics. People do. And Hindu remains to , a this day the only religion that has forced young wives of old Maharajas to die in fire or be an outcast and live in shame. In Islam, widows are married and protected. We all know who is blind, don't we?
citizenOfNowhere777 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 "People do. And Hindu remains to , a this day the only religion that has forced young wives of old Maharajas to die in fire" - bias again. How come it's not people doing bad in Hinduism? When it comes to ur religions it is people, but when it comes to us it is religion? Talk about being blind, lol
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@ramaraksha01 WTF ae you accusing me as biased when you're the one who brought up what people do in the name of other religions? The only thing I eve said in regard to these videos was that it is not historical info. But you took it as I attacked your religion because you are a fool and take this series which is not even authentic mahabhaat as historical info. Being an Indian, you should be ashamed of yourself for such ignorance.
citizenOfNowhere777 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 aren't u biased? I see u did not answer my question-why is it bad people when it comes to other religions, but it is religion when bad things happen in India?
Tell me, is Islam responsible for Terrorism? Are muslims Terrorists? How about pedophiles? Are christians priests pedophiles?
FYI my view - No, muslims are not terrorists, islam does not teach that & no christians are not pedophiles & christianity does not teach that
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 Reg wife burning - this is a very traditional country but the women have an edge, u'll see it if u meet Indian women. Time was when a city lost a war, the women were raped, killed. Some chose to kill themselves rather than go thru that(did u see Bruce Lee Movie-Enter the Dragon-what his sister did?), that's how this got started, unfortunately as time went on it degenerated into something horrible. Thank God it no longer happens
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 hence, Closer to God Rama. Atheism highlights this viewpoint
I also say ALL Good souls are welcomed by God Rama(in contrast to certain religions that reserve Heaven for themselves)-Athiests, Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Klingons etc-ALL are welcome. Again it is character that is paramount
firemen being Hindus-sorry the issue is about most people running away from the burning buildings whereas the firemen were running in
Hindus are the few that choose to come back to...
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 earth. A Hindu dies, he comes right back
Most others have build elaborate castles for themselves "upthere" and are running away, Hindus are rushing back in, just like the fire fighters, not that they were Hindu as per their religion-they were Hindu like
As for insulting other religions-are these the same that call us pagans, infedels & tell us we & our loved ones are all going to eternal Hell? Eternal torture? These are the people i need to respect?
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 I lost my mother recently-is she being tortured? raped? our little children beaten, abused?
Have u ever spoken out about this issue? No sir, i assume u took this as natural-u just ignore it like everyone does? We speak up, suddenly it is an issue?
The Buddhists say there is no God, are they insulting everyone else? Different beliefs mean that we will not agree with one another-it is not meant to be an insult-it is highlighting what our faith is teaching us
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 When 911 happened, thousands were running away from the twin towers. A few were rushing in! Who? Firefighers, policemen
Hindus are the firefighters, the policemen
Everyone else is building fancy castles for themselves "upthere" & are running away
Hinduism is the first faith to do the opposite
This is a warrior faith, this faith is not for everyone, it is for the Strong, the Brave
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@ramaraksha01 All firemen were Hindus? Which planet have you come from? Also, you obviously didn't see a documentary in which the Muslims firemen talked about his experience in 911. It was on PBS. No Hindu firemen story was on PBS.
citizenOfNowhere777 3 months ago
@ramaraksha01 The concept of Hell is also present in The Mahabharata but I don't think it is as you see it, not in The Mahabharata neither in the Bible.
naujphantom 3 months ago
@naujphantom the problem or great thing about Hinduism is that it absorbs ideas from other religions - we took Buddha even though he broke from Hinduism & established his own faith. The concept of a Hell seeped into Hinduism to my great sadness, it has no place in Hinduism nor in any religion for that matter
u are inaccurate about the Bible-u hear threats from them almost every day condemning good people to a horrible fate
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 You can google for: Naraka wiki
Hell as I see it is not a bad thing. Imagine someone very sick that needs a very painful treatment to be better. That's my concept of hell. I don't believe in "eternal" punishment as I don't see the purpose in it, neither it is supported in the Bible.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom Well u seem to be an intelligent, educated, open-minded person - so I hope to reach ur common sense. The ancient world was much, much harsher & violent than the present day. Harsher - that is easy to see - not much law & order, primitive medicine, old age was especially hard because there was no pension or SS to fall back on. Even today on my visit to India i saw an old begger couple & i wonder, were they alwasy so poor? Of course, in the olden days, might was right
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@naujphantom so that's when the concepts of Heaven & hell came into being. Heaven is a dream & as real as one. Life is harsh, so a nice afterlife sounded wonderful & religions jumped right in to tell people what they wanted to hear
Christianity, islam are the religions for the weak & cowardly - here is bad, here is not good, so u create a nice, pleasurable fantasy castle. A God who has nothing better to do than to be ur servant, cater to ur every need
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@naujphantom Of course when there is little law & order, the victim has no other recourse but to curse his tormentor & hope a higher authority will punish him - enter the concept of Hell! Cruel times, a cruel Hell! Even now - ask a senior citizen & he will probably say when he misbehaved he got the belt! Beating a child - doesn't happen now
Ancient religions - backward & primitive
Hinduism differed from the above - there is no Heaven, there is no Hell
This faith is for the Strong
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@naujphantom Would u apply that kind of painful treatment to ur child? With torture one can make u do anything - how is it treatment?
Think about it - A God who can turn a Hitler into a Gandhiji, a Mother Teresa into a Hitler with one thought needs to use torture? That again shows the false teachings of ur religion
Please let go of Hell - u let that in - u let Hate into ur heart. Hate no one. Let God deal with the likes of Hitler in Her own way - We must not think he goes to Hell
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Ok, thanks for sharing your view.
Let me clarify some things: I wasn't speaking of torture but about suffering as the result of sin and punishment as described in Plato's Georgias.
In the Bible, there is no description of Hell as eternal torture.
I'm not speaking of Dante's description of Hell.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom Well let's take a young black man born in the poorest of the towns. Sorrounded by crime & drugs-his own pushing him to steal at an early age. Lack of education, poverty - he does some bad things. Does he deserve Hell? Is it not a bit unfair? The axiom - it takes a village to raise a child - totally true. As a member of a country, society, WE are ALL responsible for the state of our society, our country
The very concept that some INDIVIDUAL deserves to be tortured is wrong
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
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@ramaraksha01 My answer will be the same as before:
"I don't know, that depends on the requirements for going to Hell and if he fulfill the requirements but I want to remark that I don't believe that not going to Heaven implies going to Hell."
I am not referring to Hell as a place where you get tortured.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom And I do believe that u are being a bit disingenious here. The Bible does talk about the lake of fire - what is it, just a hot bath? Just punch in the word "Hell" here in YouTube and u can get hundreds of videos threatening dire consequences for not belonging to a certain religion. The left-behind series of christian books that sold millions - X gets heaven because he is a christian & the rest can live in peace on earth? oh no! They must be punished! They must be hurt! These are
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "what is it, just a hot bath?"
Haha, very funny. As I see it, the lake of fire is a reference to destruction. When there is no more chance of redeeming, beings gets destroyed so their soul can have another chance at reaching the light.
I believe these are extreme cases and that it is for their own sake.
I don't believe in the doctrine that says that you will get saved just for being a Christian or condemned if you aren't.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom "I believe these are extreme cases and that it is for their own sake" OMG, OMG, OMG! It is one thing for humans to justify torture-they say they want to get info so that future attacks can be prevented-but it makes no sense for God to apply torture! what info does God want?
Think about it-this is a MAN-made religion-these ideas are not from God-but guys who lived 2,000 yrs ago-that is obvious when u think about these things in a clear light
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "what info does God want? "
I never said God wants any info... I don't get your point.
naujphantom 2 months ago
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@naujphantom "what info does God want?I never said God wants any info... I don't get your point"
We were talking brutal punishment. Why would God,who can turn a Hitler into a Gandhiji & vice versa with one thought, need to use brutal punishment?
it is man-made, WE use brutality, WE want to punish bad people, WE want to see people suffer
That way we let Hate into our Hearts
Not in Hinduism-no Hell in Hinduism-Thank God!
Much better way, the non-violent way, the TEACHING way-Karma & Rebirth
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Why would God,who can turn a Hitler into a Gandhiji & vice versa with one thought, need to use brutal punishment?"
I never used the term "brutal punishment" neither I said that God can turn Hitler into a Gaundhi without violating his free-will.
"no Hell in Hinduism"
No Hell? By Karma you can get rebirth and get boiled/burned to death right here.
I believe in Rebirth but Karma seems an eye for an eye, I prefer the doctrine of forgiveness or "the other cheek".
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom "No Hell? By Karma you can get rebirth and get boiled/burned to death right here"
There is pain here, suffering is here, but where else would u rather be? When 911 happened, thousands were running away from the two buildings-a bunch of firefighters & policemen were running towards the burning buildings
Which one are u? The guy who builds fancy castles in the air & runs away
or
comes back & fights for a better earth? We Hindus are coming back - this is our Home!
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
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@ramaraksha01 "Which one are u? The guy who builds fancy castles in the air & runs away or comes back & fights for a better earth? We Hindus are coming back - this is our Home!"
And where is the concept of renunciation? I don't think you should fight to have a better Home, you should fight if it is your Duty or your Dharma but oh! Ramaraksha: renounce the fruit of action!
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom "but Karma seems an eye for an eye" - not really - that was a cheap explanation told by some Hindus-that is wrong. God's justice is not so cheap
As we lead our life, by doing good or bad we accumulate good or bad karma. If we accumulate bad karma we must repay it in the next life. We are not compelled to do so, we are simply given the opportunity that's all
U may have encountered karma-I did. I once ran into a muslim girl in chicago, who was thrown out of the house by her in-laws
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "We are not compelled to do so, we are simply given the opportunity that's all"
Oh, that's much better. I went to wikipedia and read a little bit about Karma and realized there are different views just as there are different views about many ideas in Christianism.
The story of why Dharma incarnates as Vidur portraits Karma in a bad way.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom sorry no Hell, no Heaven either! No torture chamber nor a flesh pot. no 72 virgins, no pleasures of the flesh! Hindus have a higher goal & that goal must be EARNED! No amount of begging & groveling will get u Moksha-it must be EARNED!
Watch some of my videos - i recommend - How to Pray
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Hindus have a higher goal & that goal must be EARNED!"
I believe we have the same goal and I also believe that it must be earned.
naujphantom 2 months ago
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@naujphantom ""Hindus have a higher goal & that goal must be EARNED!"
I believe we have the same goal and I also believe that it must be earned" - if ur religion teaches that then why the reference to begging for mercy? For us God is a Teacher, u get an F, u earned it. U must now work hard to get that A, which u can in ur next birth, so there is no question of begging for mercy. If u beg ur Teacher to change ur grade, u shame urself as well as the Teacher
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "ur religion teaches that then why the reference to begging for mercy?"
Where does in the Bible says that you should beg for mercy?
Google: beg for god mercy
There are examples of begging for mercy in the Mahabharata:
When the Vasus were cursed by Vashishta to be born in Earth they begged for mercy.
When Parashurama found out the truth about Karna, Karna begged for mercy.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom "When the Vasus were cursed by Vashishta to be born in Earth they begged for mercy.When Parashurama found out the truth about Karna, Karna begged for mercy' what? Just because a certain character begged for his life, does not mean the same thing
The fact is that u have only one life-u are one-and-done, urs is a King religion. Get down on ur knees, beg & grovel & hope the king takes mercy & lets u stay in his castle. Or else it is the dungeon(hell) for u
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
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@ramaraksha01 "Just because a certain character begged for his life"
Ok, I say the same about the Bible then.
"The fact is that u have only one life-u are one-and-done"
Where in the Bible does it say so?
"Or else it is the dungeon"
That's not true.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom Hinduism is a Teacher faith. Moksha must be EARNED - it cannot be begged for nor given. It is like getting an F, u must earn that A, begging for it shames not only u, but ur Teacher also
A Hindu dies without paying off his debts, he or she must come back & repay-that is the right thing to do, whereas a christain or muslim is left begging for mercy, which a nice merciful God is always happy to do
I say, what abut the victim? ur religion says, who?
U know the person the debt is
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "I say, what abut the victim? ur religion says, who?"
Forgiveness does not obviates punishment.
Google: Archived-Articles: Forgiveness punishment
And even if it were the case, it doesn't follow that the victim is left unattended only because the guilty doesn't fix the damage.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom "Forgiveness does not obviates punishment"-as i keep saying, an ancient religion teaching backward, primitive values
Before when a child misbehaved, he could expect a beating. The ancient world was a very violent world
Today, when a child misbehaves, parents do not beat that child. It becomes a TEACHING moment. it is more difficult-much easier to give the kid a slap & scream at him. Harder to make the child see right from wrong without using violence
In Hinduism, God is not
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Before when a child misbehaved, he could expect a beating."
You are comparing apples and oranges. We weren't talking about a child, you said there was a victim. I already explained my concept of punishment.
"It becomes a TEACHING moment"
When a man murders a man is it also a TEACHING moment?
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom "When a man murders a man is it also a TEACHING moment" - yes. Think of prince harry or philip - born with a golden spoon, 10 nannies to take care of his every need, never having to work a day in his life. He spends some time helping the needy & the poor. he is going to heaven, yes?
Then take a poor black kid born in the projects, seeing no love but violence & sex as he grows up. Drugs & gangs rampant-pushed into stealing by his own
He grows up does bad things
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@naujphantom He must be sent to hell?
Do u think this is fair? One is given every opportunity to succeed, while the other is given no shot
The point is that WE are ALL responsible for the condition of our society
"We weren't talking about a child"-it would be nice if u could get the point that i was making. I was saying that the olden days were very violent, there was little law & order-hence the violent treatment towards a child, towards criminals
We are a better society, something
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Do u think this is fair?"
I already answered this question. I repeat: I don't think people go either to Hell or either to Heaven and I don't see rebirth contradictory with Christianity.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom with a nice God who has nothing better to do than be their servant & cater to them for eternity!
WE Hindus are the few ones who are coming BACK! We are the ones running towards teh burning buildings!
God's work is here, God is Here!
There is no work in fantasy island, there is no God there
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "There is no work in fantasy island, there is no God there"
Isn't God everywhere?
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom "There is no work in fantasy island, there is no God there"
Isn't God everywhere? - u can't take this so literally. I meant there is no fantasy island, there is no free lunch, no free dinners or breakfasts either for eternity
Heaven is a myth, a dream and as real as one
Our way is Tough - it is tough sledding asking a coward to stand firm & fight. Running away is soooo tempting
yes it is safe underneath the bed, it is safer as we put more distance between the fighting &ourselves
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Heaven is a myth, a dream and as real as one"
You may believe there is no Heaven, but that's not Hinduism.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom How can a warrior convince a coward? How can he describe the joy of fighting to save his people, fight for personal glory, to gain the right to be called a hero?
Hinduism is trying to do that - stay, stand with God & fight for a better earth - yes the same land of sin, darkness, pain & suffering
But things won't get better by running away, they get worse!
God's work is Here, God is Here. We Hindus choose to stay with God
Join us! Please don't fall for the lures of Satan
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "fight for personal glory"
The more you talk, the less it sounds like Hinduism.
naujphantom 2 months ago
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@naujphantom ""fight for personal glory"
The more you talk, the less it sounds like Hinduism"-it is like the Warrior trying to coax the coward to stand & fight-fight for ur loved ones, to become a hero, for personal glory! All that is lost on the coward
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@naujphantom Hinduism came up with a long time ago. Hinduism is so much advanced. While primitive religions like urs came up with either forgiveness or unrelenting torture for mistakes, Hinduism said there is a better way & that way is for u LEARN from ur mistakes, the idea is that we ALL can become better people
Brutal punishment is not the way - but ur religion came when brutality was the norm
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "While primitive religions like urs came up with either forgiveness or unrelenting torture for mistakes"
Please read what I write, I already answered this.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom yes ur religion is getting politically correct. I am saddened that the many good christians & muslims prefer to remain silent on the issue of torture-the good cop, bad cop game is played. The bad cop runs around telling innocent tribals or the uneducated poor that they will be tortured & guys like u remain silent, while giving them more money to continue their proselytization
u guys only appear when guys like me protest
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "u guys only appear when guys like me protest"
What can I say, I completely disagree.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom keep score. Hinduism is a Teacher faith. If u fail to show up for class or do not do ur homework, a good Teacher will treat u like an adult-is not going to punish u. U will simply fail the class & learn the consequences. Karma & Rebirth is about how u can LEARN from one's mistakes, it is not about being beaten or forgiven just because u have learned to beg & grovel
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
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@ramaraksha01 "If u fail to show up for class or do not do ur homework, a good Teacher will treat u like an adult"
You keep comparing apples and oranges pretending that punishment does not exist in Hinduism which is completely false.
What about when Yudhishthir was crowned prince?
Google: Yudhishthir as Crown Prince - OoCities
Tell me if they are not talking about punishment...
naujphantom 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Hinduism is a Teacher faith."
Come on... Rama was a Warrior, Jesus was called Ravi which means teacher.
naujphantom 2 months ago
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@naujphantom "Rama was a Warrior, Jesus was called Ravi teacher"-it depends on the person-people read the Ramayana & they see a man who killed evil and saved his wife. I see a man who stood up for Good & did the right thing, no matter the cost, sadly that is lost on some people
BTW Hinduism IS a warrior faith also. On 911-how many would choose to run TOWARDS the burning buildings?
Every other religious person is running away from the harshness of life-running away to fantasy islands
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@naujphantom "it doesn't follow that the victim is left unattended only because the guilty doesn't fix the damage"- again u are not understanding the concept. God in the Hindu sense is about Teaching us right from wrong, about doing the right thing. If u do right by the victim, then there is no need to ask for forgiveness
The reason u ask for forgiveness or begging for mercy, is because u did not do the right thing & religions like christianity make it easy-death bed confessions, God is so
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "God in the Hindu sense is about Teaching us right from wrong"
Why then God (Krishna) didn't taught Ashwatthama instead of punishing him until the end of Kaliyuga?
"religions like christianity make it easy-death"
It isn't easy as I already said that forgiveness doesn't obviates punishment.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom merciful, don't worry just get donw on ur knees & beg like a dog & nice God will forgive u & off u go to merry heaven.
Please tell me, where is the victim mentioned? Is the criminal/perpetrator even asking about the victim? I don't see it. He wants forgiveness so that he can happily scoot off to heaven, the victim be damned
That's where Karma & Rebirth differs - we are reborn because of the victim-there are debts to pay-WE have to pay them, not beg & grovel our way out
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Please tell me, where is the victim mentioned?"
It seems as you are not reading my responses, I already answered this point, read Matthew 5:3-12
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom "I already answered this point, read Matthew 5:3-12" - no, ur religion is all about conversion - how to tell the criminal/perpetrator what he wants to hear. Death bed confessions-really? Again how does it help the victim that his abuser is now sorry for what he had done?
Hinduism is a Teacher faith-u have to EARN ur grade. The question of begging, groveling, asking for forgiveness or mercy does not even arise! U either pass or fail. If u failed, take it on the chin-do not beg
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
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@ramaraksha01 "no, ur religion is all about conversion"
Anyone who thinks has the truth will naturally want to share it.
"Again how does it help the victim that his abuser is now sorry for what he had done?"
Repentance is a necessary step, not the only step.
If Karma is optional, then what if the criminal doesn't want to fix his wrong doings? What about the victim?
Maybe we should continue this by P.M.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom & grovel ur way out
But then urs is a King religon - God made in the image of a medieval king. Get down on ur knees, beg for mercy & hope he will take pity on u & let u stay in his castle or else it is the dungeon for u
There is no chance of doing right by the victim-u are not coming back-the only thing u can do is beg & grovel
Hinduism gives u that chance. U don't have to beg & grovel. U don't have to beg for mercy or pity
A Hindu STANDS Tall before God, his head held high, he
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 I already answered everything you are saying here, it seems that you don't like to beg. ok, but where does it say in the Bible that you have to beg?
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom acknowledges his mistakes, he comes back to make amends. That is the right way, the right thing to do
U break something at a party? Certainly apologize, but make sure u replace it, even if it costs u an arm & leg. That is what Karma & Rebirth gives u - an opportunity to correct ur wrongs
But a weak coward does not want that-religions like urs tell him what he wants to hear. He does not have to do the right thing, he does not have to fight-he can just beg, grovel & run away! yay!
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
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@ramaraksha01 "religions like urs tell him what he wants to hear. He does not have to do the right thing"
But you said that Karma is not enforced, if that's true, it is on Hinduism that you don't have to do the right thing.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom owed to? Or the young child that is abused by the pedophile? The pedophile is told all he has to do is really, really be sorry & for God that is enough
Not in Hinduism - u must make amends-that debt has to be repaid, the pedophile must acknowledge his mistake publicly & work to make amends
Our way is Tougher, Harder
At the same time, Karma & Rebirth gives us an opportunity to make amends, something one-and-done religions do not. They fall back on making it easy for criminals
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 I insist: Forgiveness does not obviates punishment.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom "I believe we have the same goal" - not even close
Think of being rich & being able to buy anything - food, sex, drink etc-that's Heaven for u, ur religion says u can beg ur way there
now think of writing music like Mozart, math like Einstein, thoughts of Gandhiji-no amt of money can buy that nor can u get that by begging. The only way is to work hard & learn it-EARN it
That is where Karma & Rebirth come in - without rebirth how do propose to Earn Moksha? Moksha is the PHD of
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Ok, I already said what I think about begging your way to Heaven and about Rebirth and Karma.
It's seems that we agree in many points.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom PHd's - it will take several births, but we Hindus are willing to do that.
Not for us cheap pleasures of the flesh-the food, the drink, the sex & 72 virgins - u can dream of having it-personally i think God has better things to do than be a servant & cater to selfish cowards till eternity!
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "to selfish cowards till eternity!"
For an Hindu you seem a bit intolerant.
As I said before I don't see Rebirth in contradiction with Christianity.
naujphantom 2 months ago
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@naujphantom ""to selfish cowards till eternity!"
For an Hindu you seem a bit intolerant- the fact is that Heaven is a reaction towards the harshness of life. We think we have it bad today, but this is paradise compared to what our ancestors had to go thru-an accident meant starving to death, because most jobs depended on manual labor & there was no insurance or workers rights
So natually people dreamed of a nice cushy afterlife, a nice God who will take care of them, cater to their every
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "We think we have it bad today, but this is paradise compared"
That's what evolution says.
Hinduism says that there was a Golden Age of virtue and justice and that now we are living in the Age of Kali which is very bad.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom need. Heaven is a metaphor for the womb, for childhood - a time when we were taken care of, catered to.
It is what cowards and the weak hope for
Hinduism differed - thru the teaching of Karma & Rebirth it taught us not to run away-Life is tough? Well get to work! Make it better!
Life is not a sentence, a sin, a dreary job that must be done & then it's party time in Heaven!
Life is a Gift from God! This is our home, we are not guests here. God is here, that is why u fear Death
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Heaven is present all over the place in the Mahabharata it is not presented as a metaphor.
Fear of Death? Hinduism doesn't teach to fear Death. Why would you fear Death if you get rebirth. Makes more sense to fear Death if you can go to Hell but I don't think the Bible teaches to fear Death unless you are a bad... a very bad man mr. Seinfeld.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom "Heaven is present all over the place in the Mahabharata' - u seem to know a bit about Hinduism. Do u know that we actually do not have anything that is titled "word of God"? - these texts are ancient, we revere them but every Hindu is told that these texts were written by humans, even we are not sure who
The only thing that comes close to a bible or koran in the Hindu sense is the Ramayana - the story of Rama. It was supposedly written by Sage Valmiki who they say lived during
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Do u know that we actually do not have anything that is titled "word of God"?"
Really? What about the Bhagavad Gita?
"these texts were written by humans"
The Mahabharata was supposedly written by Vyasa and some regard him as an Avatar of Vishnu but the Bible is also written by humans.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom God Rama's time & therefore what he wrote could be authentic. Even then these stories are not to be taken literally, there is a message that is being sent from these stories, take the message, do not get lost in the story
Take the Ramayana- u see a man committed to values, there is no magic or miracles here. Just a man striving to do the right thing the best he knew
Rama never said he was God-the unique thing about the Ramayana
he didn't do magic or miracles like Jesus
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Even then these stories are not to be taken literally"
The same happens with the Bible, some take it literally some focus on the message.
"there is no magic or miracles here"
The Ramayana is filled with magic and miracles, if a flying monkey lifting up a mountain is not something out of the ordinary for you I don't know what is it.
"Rama never said he was God"
It wasn't necessary, there was plenty of others saying it.
naujphantom 2 months ago
@naujphantom I helped her a bit but i was a bit dumb & did not realize her predicament, later i realzed i should have done more. That is my Karma calling & i failed to step up. In life u may also get such chances when u could have made a difference - that is ur karma-what u decide to do either increases or decreses ur good or bad karma
ramaraksha01 2 months ago