Hi.I have a GTS 450 from Gigabyte the overclocked one,at 930/4000mhz and an AMD athlon x2 2.8 GHZ.MSI afterburner always whows me 30-50-70% GPU usage and I have all my other apps. spopped from task manager.Should I get a better processor???And can a phenom x6 1090T handle a GTX 560 1000/4400mhz??
Wrong, v-sync will not limit it to your monitors refresh rate but a multiple of it, most games will also limit the game to 30fps if you can't get over 60 for a 60hz monitor, it can also do other multiples such as 15, 20, etc.
You forgot about mouse lag, when enabling v sync, I wanna ask you, about games like FPS, why many don't use vsync is it the mouse lag? i did some test and notice better image but i had a hard time controlling my razer mouse.
@Niemtol2 And you say you have mouse lag? With Triple Buffering disabled, and due to V-Sync?
Well, your lag is caused by something else. V-Sync can no more cause lag than a belt can cause someone's pants to fall down; V-Sync should have the opposite effect. Something else is causing your lag - a fundamental understanding of computer software would make this fact obvious.
@Niemtol2 I am not saying that you are ignorant. I am saying that V-Sync synchronizes your refresh rate to the game's frame rate and could only ever reduce lag, not the other way around. There is another reason for the lag.
I prefer killing 30 fps than play a game with the ANNOYING tearing. I cant stand the tearing, yet my little brother says "i dont see this tearing" when i show him and he dosent mind at all. He tells me im crazy.
Vsync = No tearing, cooler GPU, smoother looking games. However you have to have a minimum of 60 fps in a game, otherwise you'll be stuck with 30 fps if vsync is on and nobody wants that.
If above 60 fps is useless in a 60hz monitor, turning vsync on WILL NOT DEGRADATE YOUR PERFORMANCE! CMON! But whatever... My question is, in a high visual demanding game, like TMN or CS, where your performance really depends on what your monitor is showing to you, vsync is better or not? When i turn it on, the image seem WAY more fluid, (have a 60 hz lcd and without vsync get about 120 fps on my 4870...), but i dont know if it changes the actual timing of the game, like the real motion... =/
thanks, this really helped me, this tearing on the screen kills me. I often have over 60fps (5870) and i ALWAYS turn off vsync, now i know what it is.
ive noticed that VSYNC in a game liek Biochock if its disable all light strobes will blink and tear across the screen even without moving but with VSync ON the light strobes bont blink the screen out at all :).
@ImperialArmour no, because it takes away the tearing, and it actually saves resources because the gpu only has to render as many frames as the monitor can show. not extra ones that the monitor doesnt even show because it can't refresh fast enough.
I have to disagree with this video. Personally, I enable vsync whenever I can if the frame tearing is very bad and sometimes because of triple buffering the performance can be better with it on, even if my screen's refresh rate is 60hz and my average frames are 30. Sometimes I use an external program D3Doverrider from Riva Tuner instead of both my game's vsync option and my GPU's vsync option. Am I saying always do it? No, but what bothers me the most is tearing AND low frames.
Oh my god, thank you so much about explaining this. I just thought vsync makes thing look prettier and I have it on all my games that are at a stable 30 fps. I turned it off on Dragon Age Origins and my fps jumped from 32 to 60. I really thought my video card was showing age or something.
I hate vsync as it affected performance. When I first heard about Tearing I had no idea what it was, then saw it everywhere (especially in the Oblivion intro when passing the tower), but I still avoid enabling vsync.
when i play resident evil 5 with vsync on, the game starts acting really jitterish, i don't think it's my pc because i have a high end graphics card and a solid i5 processor so (the graphics card is an ATI radeon HD5770 1024mb)
You're such a cheap bastard...why don't you purchase the t-shirts first then see who wants them...so what if you don't sell all of them right away..so very little confidence..
How is one to really know what they are going to look like,just because you show a picture, that doesn't mean anything
And why to you block comments on your vids, is it because there are just as many ppl that thing that you;re full of yourself you get tried of hearing the truth
It's pointless to have higher fps than what your screen can display since you don't see those frames. My screen is 60 hz, which means i see 60 fps. If i have 200 fps in counter-strike, those 140 frames are not displayed and neither does human eye see difference between 60 and 140 fps. I always have it on, since it get tearing.
@DreadMauler That's incorrect. What you see is 60hz. That is not the same as your card frame buffering at 60 fps. HZ = refresh rate and FPS= frame rate. V-sync will reduce tearing (which 3DGameman is right, as always) but will technically reduce your performance. In fast games like CS or UT, hi FPS is essential. But for quality based games like Crysis or whatever looks really good, tearing is more of a concern. Enabling V-sync really depends on the game your playing.
@Lawdrun mm i don`t have any problems. Perhaps you need to go back to the shop and buy a better screen. Its not the card but you monitor don`t blame the card builder idiot.
but what about if you use 85Hz refresh rate and have 45-55 fps in a game? I use a 9800GT and playing Race Driver GRID with v-sync on and I see no performance degradation, only the tearing parts are gone. If it helps, I have an AMD Phenom II 955 Black Edition 3.2 quad core processor but still the video card is not that powerful
@alaskanhybrid OLOL HAHAHAH too bad you believe a stupid internet fact :D
Google it.
3rd result : > If you don't want to read it all, then the short answer is, the human eye / brain combination can see well over 100 frames per second and thus far the limits have not thoroughly been tested yet. Suffice it to say, IT IS NOTHING LIKE THE 24, 30, 60 or even 100 fps crap, that gets spouted on the Internet.
@GoldenMurderer LOL Britain must be better for technology becouse i have a panasonic 300hz tv but i use it as a monitor with my hdmi from my graphics card.
There is no such thing as a refresh rate on LCD, they are judged by how fast an individual pixel can go from black to white and back to black again and this is known as latency and is measured in ms.
I think it's a good thing , never mind if the FPS going down because 30 FPS @least is a good FPS
I'm using 5870 & 32 samsung 1080p @60hz , when vsync disable I see cut lines on monitor when games has fast scenes , now I'm good with vsync I don't see it any more :)
I still don't know if I should enable or disable.............I get 150fps in 'half life 2', my monitor is 60hz. But, I don't want to enable because 150-200fps is great.
@noobsyb0t the whole point is that your monitor isn't refreshing the screen more then 60 fps, thus you cannot tell the difference, so you might as well turn it on for hl2, if your comp is so great
@steve122288 I can tell the difference, at 150+fps everything moves more smoother. I don't get any sreen tearing or anything. If I turn it on, I will only get 60fps.
@rayjust not an asshole, just saying the truth. Reality and games is nothing to be compared. 100 fps in a game is what you need. trust me ive been stuck with shitty fps for 3 years
but actually the human eye recognizes motion picutre at 25 frames per second. for some people it can be a slightly higher but the minimum is 25 FPS to see a moving object without "lags". So in theory if you play at 30 fps or 60, your eyes dont recognise the difference(as far as the motion continuity is concerned), it is just a technical performance difference.
p.s.: i didnt want to lecture you, i just thought maybe some people dont know this :D peace.
@RolleRRATM you're right, everything above 25fps looks like a moving object, but I bet you can see the difference, too if you play a game with 60fps instead of 25fps...60fps just look smoother ;)
just google it, the eye can see even more than 60fps ;)
QUESTION IMPORTANT, When i turn off vsync off i get MAJOR lag spikes every 10-20 seconds. however when i turn it on i get no lag at all but only 60 fps...
@porklover101 Only 60 fps ? That is a lot but if You want more and have Vsync on then You need a display with a higher refresh rate then 60 at the desired resolution.
The human eye can't differentiate between 25 fps and 125 fps. Only when your fps goes below 25 fps do you see lag. But you do notice that movement is faster at higher fps than 25 fps. So the question is do you want natural realistic movement @25fps or unrealistic movement @125fps?
Fps is over rated. Only if you play multiplayer games do you want high fps that is 60+ pfs because you are harder to hit traveling at 60+ fps than 25 fps. For someone like me who play only single player games i could care less about that as long as my minimum fps is no lower than 25 fps.
I think you really need to have your eyes checked. Your frame rate has nothing to do with how hard you are to hit. (frame rate doesn't decide how fast you can run, that's almost the dumbest thing i've ever heard) Your frame rate only effects YOU and how good YOU are able to react. First person shooters especially. 25fps is like the bare minimum. 30fps is decent. 60fps is where it's at.
Then why do movies run at 25fps? Because the naked eye can't see the difference between 25fps and 125fps. It's a known fact. Ask anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
Movies can run at low FPS because it is only observed (no one is moving in a rendered environment like a game, and the frame lag is less noticeable) and film blurs a small amount similar to how our sight blurs motion (that's why moving your hand in front of your face blurs). Computer rendered images don't blur the same as film unless it uses post processing to do so, that's why it seems more choppy. Watching a game being played in low fps (like a movie) isn't as noticeable as playing.
And you don't notice frame-diffrence in movies? You must have a really slow brain. Especially something like panning over a wide area is visible in movies, and horrible to watch. Also, when you're a passive observer, this is acceptable, as your not anywhere as engaged when watching a movie as when being in a game.
It's called MOTION BLUR and all the NEW video cards have that ability. Yeah that's right it is now a special effect in FPS games. So i guess your going to stop playing FPS's because they all have that in their games now. So HAHAHA on you poop brain.
oh wow.. now, lets just ignore the fact that motionblur is a posteffect that is applied by the software, and concentrate on the fact that we\re talking about movies.
Well movies have motion blur too. If you want realism in games then you need to accept motion blur because thats a real life effect and Crysis for eg. is the most realistic game out there graphic wise.
Yes, some movies use motionblur, yet this has nothing to do with the laggy-effect that you get in movies where the camera pans over a scene with high contrast. You can clearly see the diffrence of the current frame and the next, especially if the pan is fast.
I don't think you understand me. I real life motion blur is not a special effect it's a real life experience when you move your head from left to right fast not allowing your eyes to adjust and focus.
Tearing is very common in racing games without v-sync. The most common symptom (:D) is the car "jumping" from one spot to another every once in a while, instead of having a nice, flowing animation. My suggestion? Use a nice, high speed to run your moniter at and enable v-sync.
3DGAMEMAN. Vsync is only needed for monitors that for some reason, cause tearing. IF you have a monitor that does not tear while gaming, turn it off and get better FPS. More FPS is always better since it provides smoother gameplay. No matter how many times someone says "your eyes can only see 60 fps", I will always say "why do we make 120hz LCD TV's?" and "if FPS is no big deal, then why can I rape people easier in games with higher fps? and literally play worse on the same game with lower fps?"
Actualy the 120Hz TV are 60Hz with a black frame in between, and they interpolate between frames. Plasma TV are in the 600Hz range now and is quite pointless if you ask me....
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. My monitor is rated 60hz at 1680x1050 which means it should runs 60hz, If i lower the resolution, in your terms, I'm just adding black screens in between each refresh. You sir are an idiot, and I take you comment with a grain of salt.
Im sorry but I think you need to research some more on how it works, I said 120Hz LCD. 60hz LCS's ARE 60hz, 120Hz LCD TV's are 60hz with a black frame to 'smoth' out the movement (so they say). It's more of a marketing thing, then actual usefulness.
There is no black frame in 120Hz LCD's they use one or more framebuffers to try to extrapolate the movement from from the previous frames. In some models they just draw the image twice, thus showing your 60 fps signal at 120 fps.
Hi, explanation is simple, vsync is (up-down) sync signal, that means (in a CRT) that it's the sinal that tells your monitor "This is the start of the img, draw from the top"
In computers, the images are drawn into a framebuffer before sent to the screen. Now what the software option does, is to tell the software to stand by and not draw before AFTER the previous image has been sent. this makes sure you get a whole image. If it's off, the software might have finished the half and then it's sent.
that's possible if the program handles input in the same loop as it handles rendering, then the mouse-events will "queue" up untill the program is finished waiting for vsync to clear, this can result in a "weird" mouse.
ugh i play css and i get the tearing but when i put vsync on there is always a small time lagg that sometimes gets me killed and stuff, is there anyway to avoid the tearing but not use vsync?
It is in the settings menu of your game and is by default turned off so if you don't know how to turn it off it likely already is unless you click it by mistake.
Hi.I have a GTS 450 from Gigabyte the overclocked one,at 930/4000mhz and an AMD athlon x2 2.8 GHZ.MSI afterburner always whows me 30-50-70% GPU usage and I have all my other apps. spopped from task manager.Should I get a better processor???And can a phenom x6 1090T handle a GTX 560 1000/4400mhz??
TheNorbi80 1 month ago
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lalalaa1232 2 months ago
thanks man
WuggyFoot 2 months ago
bullshit, vsync doesn't reduce performance by 50% cuz there is triple buffering, maybe 10 years ago 50%, now is a different story
garbuka89 3 months ago
@garbuka89 look at the video post date ... July 2009 ... It may not look like much but technology changed in 3 years a LOT ...
agrumazescu 2 months ago
@agrumazescu there was triple buffering in 2009
garbuka89 2 months ago
@garbuka89 There were also big ass tube monitors that went up to 120 hz ...
agrumazescu 2 months ago
Exactly what I wanted to hear!
Thank you!
thesalamih 3 months ago
lesson stood
gracecheungws 3 months ago
It also prolongs your pc's life so it doesn't have to push out more fps.
theryan96 4 months ago
enabling 3x vsync even if your FPS is lower than 60 wont affect your perfomance unless you have 256 mb of vram or less
EspanZeTTo 4 months ago
Nope, running without V.sync doesn't destroy your graphic card, it only runs as fast as the CPU feeds it with info.
Nope again and this time it's lost4468yt's comment.
ecchibanzaii 4 months ago
so if i had 60hz but 80 fps i enable it?
MonkeyKing249 4 months ago
@MonkeyKing249 yup
arvis97 4 months ago
@arvis97 thx
MonkeyKing249 4 months ago
Wrong, v-sync will not limit it to your monitors refresh rate but a multiple of it, most games will also limit the game to 30fps if you can't get over 60 for a 60hz monitor, it can also do other multiples such as 15, 20, etc.
lost4468yt 5 months ago
when i enable vsync on tf2 (source engine game) my mouse acts realy weird
viliussmproductions 5 months ago
You forgot about mouse lag, when enabling v sync, I wanna ask you, about games like FPS, why many don't use vsync is it the mouse lag? i did some test and notice better image but i had a hard time controlling my razer mouse.
tommy714pham 6 months ago 6
@tommy714pham It is the triple buffering that, when combined with V-Sync, is causing your lag.
Disable triple buffering in your control center settings, genius.
samuelrosenbalm 1 month ago
@samuelrosenbalm I get mouse lag with triple buffering off, but okay.
Niemtol2 1 month ago
@Niemtol2 Are you using a wireless mouse?
You will probably say no, although you you probably are.
samuelrosenbalm 1 month ago
@samuelrosenbalm No. No I'm not.
Niemtol2 1 month ago
@Niemtol2 And you say you have mouse lag? With Triple Buffering disabled, and due to V-Sync?
Well, your lag is caused by something else. V-Sync can no more cause lag than a belt can cause someone's pants to fall down; V-Sync should have the opposite effect. Something else is causing your lag - a fundamental understanding of computer software would make this fact obvious.
samuelrosenbalm 1 month ago
@Niemtol2 In syncing your frame rate to your monitor's refresh rate, lag should be reduced ten-fold.
Your problem lies elsewhere.
samuelrosenbalm 1 month ago
@samuelrosenbalm If it lies elsewhere why would it only occur when I turn vsync on?
Vsync is known to increase input lag massively, and triple buffering has been known to FIX said lag on some systems.
Niemtol2 1 month ago
@Niemtol2 There is something else that causes the lag. Something else that, in conjunction with V-Sync, causes input lag.
V-Sync in and of itself could never cause the lag, and if you knew what V-Sync was and how it works you would know this.
samuelrosenbalm 1 month ago
@Niemtol2 I am not saying that you are ignorant. I am saying that V-Sync synchronizes your refresh rate to the game's frame rate and could only ever reduce lag, not the other way around. There is another reason for the lag.
samuelrosenbalm 1 month ago
thank you for explaining that !=)
GrauenausderTiefe 8 months ago 18
My GPU was making whine noises when playing games, but turning VSYNC on made the noise go away :)
kivinth 8 months ago
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scottishboy1987 9 months ago
I prefer killing 30 fps than play a game with the ANNOYING tearing. I cant stand the tearing, yet my little brother says "i dont see this tearing" when i show him and he dosent mind at all. He tells me im crazy.
TheKrustaceox 10 months ago
Vsync = No tearing, cooler GPU, smoother looking games. However you have to have a minimum of 60 fps in a game, otherwise you'll be stuck with 30 fps if vsync is on and nobody wants that.
ooBounceDKoo 10 months ago
thank you sir, that helped me a lot!
Belfmagelol 10 months ago
If above 60 fps is useless in a 60hz monitor, turning vsync on WILL NOT DEGRADATE YOUR PERFORMANCE! CMON! But whatever... My question is, in a high visual demanding game, like TMN or CS, where your performance really depends on what your monitor is showing to you, vsync is better or not? When i turn it on, the image seem WAY more fluid, (have a 60 hz lcd and without vsync get about 120 fps on my 4870...), but i dont know if it changes the actual timing of the game, like the real motion... =/
wololo10 11 months ago
thanks, this really helped me, this tearing on the screen kills me. I often have over 60fps (5870) and i ALWAYS turn off vsync, now i know what it is.
Sinantay 1 year ago
What if I play my game around 10-20 fps no matter what?
:P
ToshimaruProductions 1 year ago
@ToshimaruProductions Then you are..... DOOOMED >:D
aLieNcrYse 9 months ago
@ToshimaruProductions you should buy a new pc. I play at arround 200 fps :S
Francisco19734 6 months ago
@Francisco19734 You should never play with a framerate that is above your monitors refresh rate because it can destroy your graphic card!
Finalzero 6 months ago
@Finalzero Damn i did not know that!! Thanks dude, i own you one :)
Francisco19734 6 months ago
damn i love playing crysis on my 55" tv and surround sound
and i noticed big differece to better results with vsync
KillyWildlands 1 year ago
ive noticed that VSYNC in a game liek Biochock if its disable all light strobes will blink and tear across the screen even without moving but with VSync ON the light strobes bont blink the screen out at all :).
nyran125 1 year ago
I have NEVER enabled vsync, even with old games that gives me hundreds of FPS.
It consumes extra resources just to limit your FPS, retarded ain't it?
ImperialArmour 1 year ago
@ImperialArmour no, because it takes away the tearing, and it actually saves resources because the gpu only has to render as many frames as the monitor can show. not extra ones that the monitor doesnt even show because it can't refresh fast enough.
drumsrule786 1 year ago
i'd disable it if i had a beast pc cus with a beast pc you want more than 60 fps
Kl3tAS 1 year ago
@Kl3tAS true but your monitor only shows 60 fps so regardless of your best pc you only get 60 fps
HIYAharry 1 year ago
I have to disagree with this video. Personally, I enable vsync whenever I can if the frame tearing is very bad and sometimes because of triple buffering the performance can be better with it on, even if my screen's refresh rate is 60hz and my average frames are 30. Sometimes I use an external program D3Doverrider from Riva Tuner instead of both my game's vsync option and my GPU's vsync option. Am I saying always do it? No, but what bothers me the most is tearing AND low frames.
Dyno247365 1 year ago
I've learned more about software and computers in 2 weeks on Youtube than I have in my whole life. The internet, it's God's gift :D
JoDaddyy 1 year ago
@JoDaddyy no... thank God for 3dgameman. Amen.
workshop4life1 1 year ago
Oh my god, thank you so much about explaining this. I just thought vsync makes thing look prettier and I have it on all my games that are at a stable 30 fps. I turned it off on Dragon Age Origins and my fps jumped from 32 to 60. I really thought my video card was showing age or something.
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ZodiarkDarkja 1 year ago
I hate vsync as it affected performance. When I first heard about Tearing I had no idea what it was, then saw it everywhere (especially in the Oblivion intro when passing the tower), but I still avoid enabling vsync.
seafireliv 1 year ago
when i play resident evil 5 with vsync on, the game starts acting really jitterish, i don't think it's my pc because i have a high end graphics card and a solid i5 processor so (the graphics card is an ATI radeon HD5770 1024mb)
la12muerta 1 year ago
I can download this froe free you fool...why would I pay you ((cents to download a Q&A
are you that ignorant or are you just a mizer....you must be a fuck'n JEW
LetsBe4RealJackass 1 year ago
You're such a cheap bastard...why don't you purchase the t-shirts first then see who wants them...so what if you don't sell all of them right away..so very little confidence..
How is one to really know what they are going to look like,just because you show a picture, that doesn't mean anything
And why to you block comments on your vids, is it because there are just as many ppl that thing that you;re full of yourself you get tried of hearing the truth
So block me, at least I got to say my peace
LetsBe4RealJackass 1 year ago
Human eye can see above 60fps. That your screen is 60hz doesn't mean you can only see 60fps.
JpopKpopPV 1 year ago
It's pointless to have higher fps than what your screen can display since you don't see those frames. My screen is 60 hz, which means i see 60 fps. If i have 200 fps in counter-strike, those 140 frames are not displayed and neither does human eye see difference between 60 and 140 fps. I always have it on, since it get tearing.
DreadMauler 1 year ago
@DreadMauler That's incorrect. What you see is 60hz. That is not the same as your card frame buffering at 60 fps. HZ = refresh rate and FPS= frame rate. V-sync will reduce tearing (which 3DGameman is right, as always) but will technically reduce your performance. In fast games like CS or UT, hi FPS is essential. But for quality based games like Crysis or whatever looks really good, tearing is more of a concern. Enabling V-sync really depends on the game your playing.
slytown 1 year ago
Fcuking ATi, Vsync keeps tearing on GTA IV Benchmark, even on the CCC 3D Settings!
Lawdrun 1 year ago
@Lawdrun mm i don`t have any problems. Perhaps you need to go back to the shop and buy a better screen. Its not the card but you monitor don`t blame the card builder idiot.
Xextreem 1 year ago
@Xextreem Nevermind I figured it out.
Lawdrun 1 year ago
but what about if you use 85Hz refresh rate and have 45-55 fps in a game? I use a 9800GT and playing Race Driver GRID with v-sync on and I see no performance degradation, only the tearing parts are gone. If it helps, I have an AMD Phenom II 955 Black Edition 3.2 quad core processor but still the video card is not that powerful
DarkRaider08 1 year ago
@DarkRaider08
He said "it *could* have a detrimental effect."
steffen54321 1 year ago
i get 34fps in a game. i have to turn on vsync because the cutscenes will strech bigger than my monitor.
LLOYD19851012 1 year ago
Short version: turn Vsync on if you get over 60 fps, turn it off if below.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
ahaha my monitor is 75hz FTW! so vsync = 75hz :D +15 FRAMES than you!
Jefneurotoxin 1 year ago
@Jefneurotoxin mine is 100hz..
mohammedje56 1 year ago
@Jefneurotoxin Hahaha too bad you cannot really see more than 24 fps.
alaskanhybrid 1 year ago
@alaskanhybrid OLOL HAHAHAH too bad you believe a stupid internet fact :D
Google it.
3rd result : > If you don't want to read it all, then the short answer is, the human eye / brain combination can see well over 100 frames per second and thus far the limits have not thoroughly been tested yet. Suffice it to say, IT IS NOTHING LIKE THE 24, 30, 60 or even 100 fps crap, that gets spouted on the Internet.
Deluxeta 1 year ago
@Jefneurotoxin dude , i have a moniter , it has 300 hz
go figure
wozzupgamer 1 year ago
@wozzupgamer i dont think you have a 300 Hz monitor, the highest out there is about 240 for a 6000 dollar TV.
GoldenMurderer 1 year ago
@GoldenMurderer LOL Britain must be better for technology becouse i have a panasonic 300hz tv but i use it as a monitor with my hdmi from my graphics card.
wozzupgamer 1 year ago
@wozzupgamer It at 300 Hz to fix the signals you recieve from PAL.
GoldenMurderer 1 year ago
is it better if i use the fps limmiter that i have in my game ?
SWATPhantom 1 year ago
This is false.
Dweller777 1 year ago
Does this whole vsync work on PS3?
StuntKing909 1 year ago
People who use vsync while playing competitive games are scrubs, and it's sad that so many gamers use vsync in fps games
woodyfly 1 year ago
There is no such thing as a refresh rate on LCD, they are judged by how fast an individual pixel can go from black to white and back to black again and this is known as latency and is measured in ms.
Refresh rate is only on CRT.
MarcoMinnemann 1 year ago
This is a: Simple, good, easy, understandable and fast definition of V-Sync.
Really great video sir :)
TheBrokenToast 1 year ago
DONT TALK SO FAST AAAAAAAARRRRRRGHH
but thanks for the info
theoriginalbensteele 1 year ago
Wow, this is really good info. I only get like 30 FPS but my refresh is 60, thanks for the tip, I'll go turn that off I guess.
TyroneTasty 1 year ago
Sir, you have just saved my performance onlike all my games haha
MrDarksoldier5501 1 year ago
is a 5850 consider high end?
CaNxYoUxStoP 1 year ago
@CaNxYoUxStoP yes.
LFCforEver12341 1 year ago
@LFCforEver12341 kay thank you..i ordered my pc 3 days ago.
CaNxYoUxStoP 1 year ago
thanks man .. I need this info about Vsync !
I think it's a good thing , never mind if the FPS going down because 30 FPS @least is a good FPS
I'm using 5870 & 32 samsung 1080p @60hz , when vsync disable I see cut lines on monitor when games has fast scenes , now I'm good with vsync I don't see it any more :)
966ol 1 year ago
vsync off is the way to go, vsync on is shitty
Kep0v 1 year ago
anyone know how to turn vsync off in windows 7??!??! if you do, please help. thank you!
faisal437 1 year ago
@faisal437 You can't disable it on windows vsync can only be disabled on the game settings and not all games has the vsync option
OlaOlsen1995 1 year ago
Good information for us to know.
keiki646 1 year ago
I still don't know if I should enable or disable.............I get 150fps in 'half life 2', my monitor is 60hz. But, I don't want to enable because 150-200fps is great.
noobsyb0t 1 year ago
@noobsyb0t the whole point is that your monitor isn't refreshing the screen more then 60 fps, thus you cannot tell the difference, so you might as well turn it on for hl2, if your comp is so great
steve122288 1 year ago
@steve122288 I can tell the difference, at 150+fps everything moves more smoother. I don't get any sreen tearing or anything. If I turn it on, I will only get 60fps.
noobsyb0t 1 year ago
@noobsyb0t
LOL, your eyes only see about 24fps...
If your monitor have 60hz refresh rate then you CANT see more than 60fps, even if your game is running at 150+
rayjust 1 year ago
@rayjust idiot
Kep0v 1 year ago
@Kep0v asshole
rayjust 1 year ago
@rayjust not an asshole, just saying the truth. Reality and games is nothing to be compared. 100 fps in a game is what you need. trust me ive been stuck with shitty fps for 3 years
Kep0v 1 year ago
@rayjust your eyes see about 60fps ;)
that's why 3d monitors have 120hz, so 60hz for each eye ;)
Rusher0 1 year ago
@Rusher0 nice joke XD
but actually the human eye recognizes motion picutre at 25 frames per second. for some people it can be a slightly higher but the minimum is 25 FPS to see a moving object without "lags". So in theory if you play at 30 fps or 60, your eyes dont recognise the difference(as far as the motion continuity is concerned), it is just a technical performance difference.
p.s.: i didnt want to lecture you, i just thought maybe some people dont know this :D peace.
RolleRRATM 1 year ago
@RolleRRATM you're right, everything above 25fps looks like a moving object, but I bet you can see the difference, too if you play a game with 60fps instead of 25fps...60fps just look smoother ;)
just google it, the eye can see even more than 60fps ;)
Rusher0 1 year ago
vsync makes input delay of about 1 frame
s4iko1337 1 year ago
thank you a lot
very good info
gus227 2 years ago
Does anyone know why when i enable vsync, my mouse gets slow and dosnt 100% follow my mouse movement as fast as without vsync in games?
Frouza 2 years ago
vsync does cause mouse lag. i notice this while playing for example, left 4 dead 2
OOIEatte 2 years ago
LOL ''mouse lag'' :))
Go and learn something about computers;)
ombladon00 2 years ago
i don't give a fuck what the term is, it feels like mouse lagg, and IMO it is mouse lag. so go and fuck yourself :)
OOIEatte 2 years ago
Very good information man.
kkevinC 2 years ago
You should call yourself HappyGameMan
xD
G4meTesters 2 years ago
QUESTION IMPORTANT, When i turn off vsync off i get MAJOR lag spikes every 10-20 seconds. however when i turn it on i get no lag at all but only 60 fps...
porklover101 2 years ago
@porklover101 Only 60 fps ? That is a lot but if You want more and have Vsync on then You need a display with a higher refresh rate then 60 at the desired resolution.
wapciu 2 years ago
cheers mate, that was helpful!
lilboots3962 2 years ago
does this matter in crt monitors
taltigolt 2 years ago
WoW! really helpfull! thanks
darklordve 2 years ago
i played gta4 with vsync off, and the cutscenes were stretching. so i turned vsync on and its fine now.
LLOYD19851012 2 years ago
What about triple or double buffered vsync?
I mean whats the difference between them?
TraNWhiZ 2 years ago
Triple buffering basically fixes performance problems of VSYNC but at cost of small increase of latency.
Also not many titles support real triple buffering however you can force it with D3DOverrider (it installs with RivaTuner).
Fugaziiiiiii 2 years ago 2
Cheers.
TraNWhiZ 2 years ago
The human eye can't differentiate between 25 fps and 125 fps. Only when your fps goes below 25 fps do you see lag. But you do notice that movement is faster at higher fps than 25 fps. So the question is do you want natural realistic movement @25fps or unrealistic movement @125fps?
blarson12 2 years ago
are you blind?!@# there is a HUGE difference between 25 and 125fps... Anything above 60fps is hard to tell tho...
bookshelffury 2 years ago 2
bookshelf ftw
RyR5792 2 years ago
Fps is over rated. Only if you play multiplayer games do you want high fps that is 60+ pfs because you are harder to hit traveling at 60+ fps than 25 fps. For someone like me who play only single player games i could care less about that as long as my minimum fps is no lower than 25 fps.
blarson12 2 years ago
I think you really need to have your eyes checked. Your frame rate has nothing to do with how hard you are to hit. (frame rate doesn't decide how fast you can run, that's almost the dumbest thing i've ever heard) Your frame rate only effects YOU and how good YOU are able to react. First person shooters especially. 25fps is like the bare minimum. 30fps is decent. 60fps is where it's at.
bookshelffury 2 years ago
It's about reaction time. You react faster at 60fps than 25fps.
blarson12 2 years ago
stfu noob
RyR5792 2 years ago
I notice the difference between 60fps and 50fps.
So don't talk bullshit.
TraNWhiZ 2 years ago
Then why do movies run at 25fps? Because the naked eye can't see the difference between 25fps and 125fps. It's a known fact. Ask anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
blarson12 2 years ago
Movies can run at low FPS because it is only observed (no one is moving in a rendered environment like a game, and the frame lag is less noticeable) and film blurs a small amount similar to how our sight blurs motion (that's why moving your hand in front of your face blurs). Computer rendered images don't blur the same as film unless it uses post processing to do so, that's why it seems more choppy. Watching a game being played in low fps (like a movie) isn't as noticeable as playing.
waphleez 2 years ago
You clearly don't know what are you talking about.
TraNWhiZ 2 years ago
And you don't notice frame-diffrence in movies? You must have a really slow brain. Especially something like panning over a wide area is visible in movies, and horrible to watch. Also, when you're a passive observer, this is acceptable, as your not anywhere as engaged when watching a movie as when being in a game.
DusteDdekay 2 years ago
It's called MOTION BLUR and all the NEW video cards have that ability. Yeah that's right it is now a special effect in FPS games. So i guess your going to stop playing FPS's because they all have that in their games now. So HAHAHA on you poop brain.
blarson12 2 years ago
oh wow.. now, lets just ignore the fact that motionblur is a posteffect that is applied by the software, and concentrate on the fact that we\re talking about movies.
DusteDdekay 2 years ago
Well movies have motion blur too. If you want realism in games then you need to accept motion blur because thats a real life effect and Crysis for eg. is the most realistic game out there graphic wise.
blarson12 2 years ago
Yes, some movies use motionblur, yet this has nothing to do with the laggy-effect that you get in movies where the camera pans over a scene with high contrast. You can clearly see the diffrence of the current frame and the next, especially if the pan is fast.
DusteDdekay 2 years ago
I don't think you understand me. I real life motion blur is not a special effect it's a real life experience when you move your head from left to right fast not allowing your eyes to adjust and focus.
blarson12 2 years ago
I'll turn it on anyway!!!
leerman22 2 years ago
For anybody that doesn't know:
Tearing is very common in racing games without v-sync. The most common symptom (:D) is the car "jumping" from one spot to another every once in a while, instead of having a nice, flowing animation. My suggestion? Use a nice, high speed to run your moniter at and enable v-sync.
VViP30U7 2 years ago
3DGAMEMAN. Vsync is only needed for monitors that for some reason, cause tearing. IF you have a monitor that does not tear while gaming, turn it off and get better FPS. More FPS is always better since it provides smoother gameplay. No matter how many times someone says "your eyes can only see 60 fps", I will always say "why do we make 120hz LCD TV's?" and "if FPS is no big deal, then why can I rape people easier in games with higher fps? and literally play worse on the same game with lower fps?"
bastec666 2 years ago
Actualy the 120Hz TV are 60Hz with a black frame in between, and they interpolate between frames. Plasma TV are in the 600Hz range now and is quite pointless if you ask me....
whatUsaybob 2 years ago
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. My monitor is rated 60hz at 1680x1050 which means it should runs 60hz, If i lower the resolution, in your terms, I'm just adding black screens in between each refresh. You sir are an idiot, and I take you comment with a grain of salt.
bastec666 2 years ago
Im sorry but I think you need to research some more on how it works, I said 120Hz LCD. 60hz LCS's ARE 60hz, 120Hz LCD TV's are 60hz with a black frame to 'smoth' out the movement (so they say). It's more of a marketing thing, then actual usefulness.
whatUsaybob 2 years ago
There is no black frame in 120Hz LCD's they use one or more framebuffers to try to extrapolate the movement from from the previous frames. In some models they just draw the image twice, thus showing your 60 fps signal at 120 fps.
DusteDdekay 2 years ago
The naming is weird because when vsync is turned off the tear is horizontal.
conyo985 2 years ago
Hi, explanation is simple, vsync is (up-down) sync signal, that means (in a CRT) that it's the sinal that tells your monitor "This is the start of the img, draw from the top"
In computers, the images are drawn into a framebuffer before sent to the screen. Now what the software option does, is to tell the software to stand by and not draw before AFTER the previous image has been sent. this makes sure you get a whole image. If it's off, the software might have finished the half and then it's sent.
DusteDdekay 2 years ago
I think Vsync effects your mouse control in DeadSpace.
EDKsurly 2 years ago
that's possible if the program handles input in the same loop as it handles rendering, then the mouse-events will "queue" up untill the program is finished waiting for vsync to clear, this can result in a "weird" mouse.
DusteDdekay 2 years ago
ugh i play css and i get the tearing but when i put vsync on there is always a small time lagg that sometimes gets me killed and stuff, is there anyway to avoid the tearing but not use vsync?
ki11joy92 2 years ago
Better pc
kohler90 2 years ago
Use mouse filter.
whatUsaybob 2 years ago
Eh, you need to discuss how you lose a frame. You need it with triple buffering, read up on anandtech.
RenegadeFury 2 years ago
use triple buffereing, NOT VSYNC!!
sgtheadhole 2 years ago
why whats Triple buffering?
Tomymdobson 2 years ago
it stops tearingm same thing that vsync does but its more efficient
sgtheadhole 2 years ago
iv got tering when im playing movies, what can i do to fix it?
MooriaFTW 2 years ago
very helpful, informative advice. I had never known what vsync actually did.
ot63 2 years ago
please how do u disable vsync
maggotman94 2 years ago
Vsync probably located in Menu under Video setting,or advance setting in Video setting..depend on game
sniper4usmc 2 years ago
It is in the settings menu of your game and is by default turned off so if you don't know how to turn it off it likely already is unless you click it by mistake.
DarkCraft41 2 years ago
but with mirrors edge its on but i still get screen tearing...
salsa2good 2 years ago
Ok, thanks man. I've allways woundered what vSync is.
KapteinFruit 2 years ago
thanks Rodney, so basically, I shouldn'nt bother turning vsync on if there's no tearing
Orsiepompom 2 years ago
you mean if a have 30fps in crysis for example or 20 or 40 and i enable vsync to 60hz then my game will run slower?
muiecopyright 2 years ago 9
yep
XshlomoX 2 years ago
@muiecopyright exactly
metalmasterlp 1 year ago
problem with vsync is that video card drivers dont allow force triple buffer for DirectX games. triple buffer makes vsync much better
Delus1on77 2 years ago
its usually a problem with CRT monitors not LCDS
aklass 2 years ago
yeah, on my old computer, i only got 60 fps in cs 1.6, so i put vsync on and got the cap.
<3 your Q&A videos Rodney
archey66 2 years ago
At last a clear and very good definition of VSync...
On Team Fortress 2 with Vsync I had 60FPS but I disabled VSync and now I have at least 100FPS, on some maps it reaches 200-250FPS(I use Fraps)
norbyxxl 2 years ago 6
BTW:I didn't notice any changes....
norbyxxl 2 years ago
what, no tearing? how many hz is your monitor?
D3THFAN 2 years ago
@norbyxxl But I'm sure the animation is better with Vsync and 60FPS. When Vsync off there is vertical tearing and it is not so smooth.
ZlutyPanter 1 year ago
Nice video Rod
I know when i play some games on my notebook
the Vsync is off i know my Notebook has only one HZ setting that is 60hz
PinkSilverWolf 2 years ago
thanks for pointing it out
tim0npwn 2 years ago