As to Anna Anderson-her hope to deceive tzar`s mother (Anastasia`s granmother) was just ridiculous-she could speak only german( which An. didn`t know ) but she allegedly completely forgot 3 languages -native Russian, English and French.Which else test she needed? She deserved to be whipped with her accomplices.
@Elvra99 Anna Anderson was a fraud with mental illness issues. It was officially proved once and for all in 2009 that Anastasia did die with her family. The body lying next to Alexei was identified finally as being hers. DNA testing on Anderson also proved she had no relation to the Romanovs at all.
@DimSimToughBitch Anastasia was found in the original grave- It was Maria and Alexei who were found later, according to Russia. I have heard that some US scholars believe it was Anastasia in the later discovery, but I tend to side with who Russia recognises. At the grave site, it is Maria and Alexei's tombstones missing burial dates, not Anastasia's.
It's obvious that people don't know the full.true story, the Romanovs were not all that innocent, they weren't the only victims. It was their ignorance and lack of interest in the situation outside the palace walls that led to this, it wasn't simply a random attack but took place because the Bolshevik people were sick of living with no money, no food or shelter. They starved to death, children died in the streets, all while the Romanovs had grand parties and simply turned the other cheek.
@bwebb63273784 were you around in russia at that time? no. so the people of russia weren't happy, its true that there was gross inequality, but there was no need to kill that entire family and five innocent children. they could have let them live.
@Scotsgal96 Not saying the execution was right but wouldn't it be dumb not kill the entire blood line to ensure no heirs being reinstated to over throw the revolution?
@suki1615 Nothing wrong with the idea of communism, and even though there were brutal acts by the Bolsheviks during this time in history, the White army committed just as many attrocities (if not more).
@APRIL62318: If Czar Nikolai II was such a good guy, would he have ordered his Cossacks to maim and kill Jews and other non-Russian peoples in the early 20th century? Would he have sent millions of Russian boys to their deaths? Every ask yourself why he is so loved by Russia's neo-Nazis?
Anna Anderson was proved to not be a Romanov, with DNA testing. Still, she knew stories and anecdotes about the Romanovs that weren't public. Once, someone asked her about a certain guard who was at a palace when she was a child, and she knew of whom they spoke and cried, "The man with the pockets!" (This guard had the bad habit of standing in the presence of the royal family with his hands in his pockets! ) For many, the Anna Anderson mystery has not ended.
@darkangel78921 they found all the remains. no one survived that tragic night im afraid. and even if they did they would be very very old and most likly passed away
@darkangel78921 the remains were found in 2007. the entire family died. yes, even anastasia. ana anderson was proven (after dna testing) to be a servant from poland.)
When Anastasia says she's never been as far as five days on a train and 'they say the prince of wales is very handsome'...didn't they visit the English royal family on the Isle of Wight? This may not be historicaly accurate, just want i saw in the The Lost Prince??
Not that I'm saying that someone had to die but couldnt they have just killed the Tsar. Then again if his son lived long and healthy he could take back his family throne which most likely could have happened. Anyway its still a tragic story killing children because of what their father was?
@jb26508 Well that was the Nature of the Soviet's. Only the beginning of what Russia would have to cope with for the next 70 years. The Soviet Union was a horror.
@iLoveJbMcFlYTakeThat They did find what was thought to be Alexei's and one of his sisters remains. It was later confirmed that it was in fact Alexei and one of his sisters, but it wasn't Anastasia like everyone though. It was Maria. Anastasia was found with the rest of their family's remains.
Very interesting part of history. I haven't studied that much about the family but rafaelc5668 i'll have to agree with romanov..you dont know that much about this family so shut it. people like you annoy me!!
lenin is the leader of the bolshiviks(Red Army) he's the good guy. his dead body is still on display in Russia because he did many things to the country he gave peasants land, and food. and he retreated from the war with germany. i learned this in World History lol
hm yeah he is the good guy? the Czar was a cruel dictator just like the czar before him he had to order the whole family to be killed or else it would start over gosh are you retarded take World History
@RomanovMartyrs It's not that the tsar was bad. It was that the royal family had lost touch with the people. They lived their privileged lives while millions of people are starving on the streets. Maybe killing them wasn't the best solution but I cam sympathize with how the people who held them captive felt.
@RomanovMartyrs Not the Tsar. The Romanovs were living it up as twhile millions of people in Russia were starving. Killing them was not the best way around things, removing them from power or establishing a democracy would have been the best obviously, but clearly that didn't happen.
@RomanovMartyrs: Very well. Sending millions of young Russians to die against their will in a war they didn't want. Sending them into battle, half without guns or shoes against the Germans. Cossack militias shooting those who retreated. Unleashing the Black Hundreds and Cossacks against strikes workers and their families, and non-Russian neighborhoods. The anti-Jewish pogroms in the early 1900s carried out under the Czar's orders that left even children with their throats slit. The short list.
@hectorbolshevik First comrade, lemme say I like Trotsky, and support many elements of communism, so please don't think of me as a foe. I don't believe Nicholas was very powerful at all. He was a simple family man in a position he didn't want. He was weak, unfocused, and easy to manipulate. That doesn't make him bad, that just makes him unfit to rule. The pogroms were the fault of Minister of the Interior Plehve, who in documented sources has been proven to be working against the Tsar's wishes.
After Plehve's assassination, his police continued with a plan he'd created which led to Bloody Sunday. The Tsar didn't know what had happened until afterwards (similar to the Khodynka massacre, which, upon being informed of, the Tsar cancelled his plans and went there in person to distribute money/support to the victims). After Bloody Sunday, the Tsar met with heads of the army in attempt to make them understand their error and even took the blame himself, but he'd NEVER ordered them to fire.
I suggest to you reading some Okhrana records or Fontanka 16. As for WWI (something I can never agree with), I too dislike that Russia was involved. However public support for the war when Russia entered was overwhelming. Without Russia, Paris would have fallen, though unfortunately it was saved at the cost of almost 1 million Russian lives. Lastly, I dare say what came after the last Tsar wasn't much better: Between 1917 and 1922 alone Lenin's regime was responsible for over 4 million deaths.
Interestingly enough, Alexandra did not share many of Nicholas's prejudices. During the war she urged the Emperor to make sure that Russian troops entering Turkey as conquerors behaved respectfully towards Mosques and religious shrines: - ‘Please give the order most strongly that our troops should not touch anything that belongs to the Mohammedans - they can use them again for their religion. We are Christians and not barbarians.’
Like many of her age and class, Alexandra was however instinctively suspicious of Jews; she was quick to note if a trouble-maker had a Jewish name. On the other hand she did not go so far as to condemn the entire race, and she was vocal about the injustice of the legal and settlement restrictions upon Jews to the point where members of the Imperial Family believed her to be personally behind Nicholas’s attempt- too late in his reign- to repeal them.
@RomanovMartyrs I wouldn't say he was a bad man, just not cut out to be Tsar. His father never educated him in how to rule, and he didn't have the right personality to rule Russia. It's pure bad luck that he was born into a role he didn't want or should have had.
I believe you have your words mixed up. Police State has never been a historical reference to the Tsar. It's most widely used on North Korea and Cuba. If ever there was rigid economic and social control in Russia that would be the USSR, not Imperial Russia.
I just asked for simple proof that the Tsar was bad/worse than Lenin. Apparently you cannot find proof because it is not there. I was nothing but civil with you so please try to be mature when replying. If you've blocked me I don't understand why you'd reply at all.
@hectorbolshevik i read it lenin had them all killed so he could take over the people were afraid of him just like hitler and stalin they were brainwashed
@hectorbolshevik both he used fear to control them after a while they believed everything he said that is brainwashing. don't tell me what to do why do you defend him anyway i guess hitler was right also!
@APRIL62318: How did Lenin do that? Giving women a right to vote and get a divorce? Stripping the church, and the capitalist class of their power? Ending Russia's participation in that rotten war? Giving power to the workers councils? This is what the Russian people wanted. You clearly know nothing about the subject. Hitler was brought to power by the German capitalists. Putting him and Lenin in the same boat is in a word: ignorant.
@rafaelc5668 did you listen in world history? we learned that he was a terrible terrible person. do u go to school in the south? those republicans tend to avoid facts...
You can't convince me that Joseph Stalin had a right to call anyone else a tyrant. He was a insane butcher. Boy, talk about the "pot calling the kettle black"!!!
Actually, lennin wasnt poular, he only kept power because he was so violent and tyranical. so he didnt have the support of the majority. White terror isnt a historical term, you just made it up and even if Nicholas was a tyrancal bloodthirsty dictator, did his children deserve to die, what did his 14 year old son do to deserve murder and what did the 17 year old daughter do?
@MEXICANWAVES Might want to Wiki Search "White Terror (Russia)". It existed. But this was not Nicholas's fault- by this time he was arrested. The imperial government was to blame for tyranny; Nicholas was as much a victim of circumstance as anyone else. But Lenin was actually very popular- elected Chairman of People's Council in 1917 and as the war went on became more followed. Of course the children didn't deserve to die, but many justified it after deaths of so many of the workers' children.
get over it people stop fighting and just watch the show this happened almost a 100 years ago why argue over something so long ago? blame it all on rasputian the evil priest if you want nothing you two say can change sad history.
hectorbolshevik a family shud neva have bin killed ur attitude is disgusting u shud b ashamed of urself my gr8 gran parents workd in the imperial court wsurrounded by the family every day i hope u c error in ur ways one day
You might want to ask why Nikolai II ordered his cutthroats to savagely murder Jewish and non-Russian children, and the children of labor activists and trade unionists.
Actually, Nicholas did not order the massacre on 'Bloody Sunday'. In fact, he was horrified. Also, for the most part, the Tsars forces mainly harrassed and exiled the Jewish people, but it wasn't a systamatic mass murder. At any rate, in spite of Nicholas and Alexandras flaws, failures and incompetance, they were not evil people and did not deserve to be murdered.
I wasn't refering to the Bloody Sunday Massacre, I meant the anti-semitic pogroms that he unleashed which his goons led by priests did slaughter Jews. Unions, labor activists, and other minorities met the same fate. The Czar was a murderous tyrant. He also did not punish his thugs who murdered those people on Bloody Sunday. I won't even go into the mistreatment and appalling of Russian soldiers in his war. Yes, the Romanov's deserved to die for what they did.
Lenins goons, the Bolsheviks, Cheka, were a million times more powerful, brutal and tyrannical and their own crimes against humanity *far* outweighed the Tzars, thus the term "Red Terror", and Lenin a much colder, harder, more unfeeling man then Nicholas ever was. Sorry, but my sympathy still remains with Nicholas and his family and I can't agree that any of them deserved to be murdered.
What about the term "White Terror"? When Czarist cutthroats were killing, raping, and pillaging in order for their leader to be restored to power. Red Terror was the necessary response. Lenin established a workers democracy and the Bolsheviks prevailed against all odds. Shows you were the majority stood. Did you know that the Czar is he second most loved man next to Hitler by Russia's neo-Nazis? Why is that? Lenin didn't slaughter innocent people because of their ethnicity like the Czar.
So, Tzarist cuthroats pillage, rape and murder to restore their leader to power and Bolshevik Cheka cutthroats pillaged raped and murdered to keep *their* leader in power. How are *either* of them in the right?
No, Lenin didn't kill for ethnicity, he killed anyone who even remotely disagreed with him. And ironically, many historians and authors agree that Lenin paved the way not only for his successor, Stalin, but also for Mao, Hitler and Pol Pot.
Now, I know how ill informed you are. The Bolsheviks had the support of the majority throughout the Czar's prison house of the peoples. Everyone hated the Czar. I've seen the work of such "historians" who are bent on demonizing the Bolsheviks from ripping Russia from imperialism's grip. Hitler hated the Soviets, "Against Jewish-Bolshevism". Pol Pot was a U.S backed tyrant. Lenin and Trotsky would never have greeted scum like Churchill and Nixon as Stalin and Mao did.
Now I know how biased *you* are. No, they demonize the Bolsheviks for being just as bad, if not *worse*, then those they destroyed to gain power; The pot replacing the kettle.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this because *nothing* can convince me Nicholas and his whole family were evil or deserved to be murdered.
@APRIL62318: What fear? The Russian people could've easily been "saved" by the Whites and their 17 foreign supporters, yet one by one they ran with their tails between their legs. The Bolsheviks won over the people who were tired of that bloody war and living in extreme poverty.
True, but the mini-series was shot in 1988, when it still wasn't definitively proven that Anna Anderson was a fraud. Also, in defense of this film, it never outright states that Anna Anderson really was the Grand Duchess Anastasia, just like the 1956 film.
They had already won the revolution, to murder the Imperial family was a travesty beyond reconcile. The soviets firmly controlled the government and the Tsar did not challenge that power. They should have been allowed to leave to an allied nation such as Britain or the US.
Actually, the Czar did challenge the Revolution. A large portion White Army was loyal to Czar Romanov plus his murderous proto-fascist paramilitaries The Black Hundreds and Cossacks. Had the Czar and his family lived, they would've assumed leadership of the White Army to obtain what Romanov perceived as his God given right to run Russia however he wanted. Especially if he'd allowed to go to the United States or Great Britain.
that is entirely true in fact the bolsheviks hid the fact that the tsarina and the children were killed along with Nicholas. The execution style was unnecessary because many of the people weren't opposed to Nicholas' death.
Yes, but they wanted to end the entire Romanov line. Even if the women would be spared, the young Tsarevich would have been killed along with his father.
Can I just clear a popular misconception up.. nobody knows whether maria or anastasia were found? The bodies were so badly burned that the daughter found could be either maria or anastasia? both the sisters were so close in age that it was impossible to tell whether the missing girl was maria or anastasia.
i'm actually quite certain that they don't know. in the funeral proceedings they stated that it could be either one of the girls and during the dna testing they stated that they could only say that it was ONE of youngest daughters but that they didn't know which one. many people say it is was maria but the truth is they don't for sure which one it was but that they knew it was ONE of the youngest daughters. they couldn't tell if one was taller than the other because the remains were in bits!
the remains of the missing grand duchess (probably anastasia but it could also be maria) and alexis were found in siberia.... no one survived.... may they all rest in peace.
it wasnt anastasia we dont know if she survived she was still missing she was never found they closed the case as no one could find everything it was rumoured she had been found dead in siberia but it wasnt her
Look at the August 25, 2007 ny times article entitled "Experts May Have Found Remains of Czar's Children" by Clifford J. Levy. This article tells for two bodies unearthed in siberia that are probably alexei and maria. That means that since the bodies of three of the four grand duchesses were found in the mass grave that none of the family survived. Also look at the July 21, 2008 article from the Gainsville Sun (Florida) called "A royal mystery solved."
heh, when guy says "for printing leaflets" ...well yeah it's a very poor reason for being put in prison.. and then she said "that's a whole lot more than I've ever done." ...just wipes the superiority right out of him!
Anastasia did escape but probably hiding. The girls that said that they're Anastasia are lying I mean wouldn't the real Anastasia be scared of the German will organize an assassin to kill her if they found out that she's still alive. So do I have a point?
I think you do have a point. Only I don't know if it was Anastasia that survived. You should google "Owen Tudor's Mysterious Wife" because the wife in questions is rumored to be Tatiana, and the website actually has some good evidence to back that theory up. Add to that the fact that Larissa's (the wife's) tombstone was polished, cleaned, and the railings surrounding it were removed in June of '98, which is the year and month the remains of the Romanovs were laid to rest. it's fascinating!
i could point out that they verified the dna off of prince philip of edinburgh, who shares the same mithrocondrial dna as tsarina alexandra, so anna anderson was a fake
I just wanted to pointout the fact that the DNA Anderson was sampled could infact not be of the prominent family. Don't forget, they weren't the only ones to die that night. It was their doctor, the family pet, as well as the cleaning AND cooking crew. That DNA the scientists alleged were of the royal family may not. Unfortunately what I just said can't really be proven or disproven.
no they shot the family but anastasia was still ok so they stabbed her . they also stripped the bodies and put them in acid to not have the remains found. it is very dreadful
when they said that anastasia was missing. many girls claimed that they were anastasia (anya) so that they could get the family fourtune. the most famous of them was anna anderson. but she wasn't anya at all.
Anna Anderson was a mental patient that escaped from an institution . DNA test was done on Anna Anderson's great nephew and Anna Anderson's gastric tissue that was obtained while she was in the hospital in the U.S. The DNA matched. Her DNA did not match any of the Russian Royal family. AS blood sample was taken from Prince Phillip because he is directly related to Nicholas' wife. There was no relation to Anna Anderson. She duped everyone
the story of anna anderson is so amazing. its hard to beleive that with the many exact physical features as the grand ditchess, her DNA matched that of the missing factory worker. hopefully the mystery will be solved when the recently found graves are uncovered.
Woodrow Wilson helped Trotsky and Lenin and Stalin and the Bolsheviks. After the fall of the monarchy, the new communist gov't rewarded the usa with money
Sorry, my post that starts with "This is because mitochondrial DNA..." is supposed to go after my post that starts with "And Anna Anderson, a relative...."
This is because mitochondrial DNA is passed from mother to children. So certain relatives (with the same connections of Anastasia Romanov and the prince) will have the EXACT same mitochondrial DNA as you. Others will have similar mitochondrial DNA, because of the 99.9% thing. I'm concluding that Anna Anderson was a fake.
They found all the family's secretly buried coffins but hers and her younger brother's. Recently they found two more graves, but they are testing to see if it's hers and her brothers. Anna Anderson might have been a Polish woman who disappeared right as "Anna Anderson" arrived. But the polish woman had the same scars as Anastasia-but the polish woman also worked in a grenade factory too...
... And Anna Anderson, a relative of the polish woman, and a relative of Anastasia Romanov all had VERY similar mitochondrial DNA! Except Anastasia Romanov and the prince had exactly the same! And the polish woman's differed slightly for theirs. It should be expected for similarities, though, because 99.9% of every humans DNA is the same. But the prince's and Anastasia Romanov MITOCHONDRIAL DNA should (and was) exactly the same, but not with the polish woman.
christian bale is SOOOO ADORABLLEEEE!!! he was talking and the way he smiled (his lips thin and curl) was like HEY!!! IT'S CHRISTIAN BALEEE!!! hehehe well i got more than i expected while watching this hehehe
Nicholas wrote in his dairy, I don't have the exact quote as the book is at home. Something along the lines of "It was a beautiful sunny morning as we left Tsarkoe Selo never to see it again."
Liked the movie as a movie. But the argument is almost all fictionl...The girls are not as the books depicts them, and Anastasia doesn't seems to have 16 but barely 12 or 13, LOL.
As to Anna Anderson-her hope to deceive tzar`s mother (Anastasia`s granmother) was just ridiculous-she could speak only german( which An. didn`t know ) but she allegedly completely forgot 3 languages -native Russian, English and French.Which else test she needed? She deserved to be whipped with her accomplices.
Elvra99 8 months ago
@Elvra99 Anna Anderson was a fraud with mental illness issues. It was officially proved once and for all in 2009 that Anastasia did die with her family. The body lying next to Alexei was identified finally as being hers. DNA testing on Anderson also proved she had no relation to the Romanovs at all.
DimSimToughBitch 6 months ago
@DimSimToughBitch
Thank you for interesting information.I hope she really had mental illness-otherwise her behavior was too vile.
Elvra99 6 months ago
@DimSimToughBitch Anastasia was found in the original grave- It was Maria and Alexei who were found later, according to Russia. I have heard that some US scholars believe it was Anastasia in the later discovery, but I tend to side with who Russia recognises. At the grave site, it is Maria and Alexei's tombstones missing burial dates, not Anastasia's.
RomanovMartyrs 2 months ago
@RomanovMartyrs Oh yes, it was Maria according to the Russians and Anastasia according to the Americans.
DimSimToughBitch 2 months ago
This actor playing tzar has nothing to do with Nicolai`s real appearance.How could they take him?
Elvra99 8 months ago
Why did the Anastasia's parents Name Her Anastasia?
massah31 9 months ago
I wanna hit that guy over the head with a shovel
Totallymine44 1 year ago
It's Lord Percy!! :D
KingCharlesI 1 year ago
You cut the part where the kids' uncle the general came to the palace. Why?
Mor7682 1 year ago
It's obvious that people don't know the full.true story, the Romanovs were not all that innocent, they weren't the only victims. It was their ignorance and lack of interest in the situation outside the palace walls that led to this, it wasn't simply a random attack but took place because the Bolshevik people were sick of living with no money, no food or shelter. They starved to death, children died in the streets, all while the Romanovs had grand parties and simply turned the other cheek.
bwebb63273784 1 year ago
@bwebb63273784
So Anastasia, her 13 year old brother, and other three sisters deserved to die?
They did nothing wrong; why should they have to pay for their father's mistakes?
333greenapple 1 year ago
@bwebb63273784 were you around in russia at that time? no. so the people of russia weren't happy, its true that there was gross inequality, but there was no need to kill that entire family and five innocent children. they could have let them live.
Scotsgal96 1 year ago
@Scotsgal96 Not saying the execution was right but wouldn't it be dumb not kill the entire blood line to ensure no heirs being reinstated to over throw the revolution?
chakazulu87 1 year ago
@bwebb63273784 your absolutely right ppl are vain and dumb as hell
chakazulu87 1 year ago
@bwebb63273784 fucking communist
suki1615 1 year ago
@suki1615 Nothing wrong with the idea of communism, and even though there were brutal acts by the Bolsheviks during this time in history, the White army committed just as many attrocities (if not more).
RomanovMartyrs 2 months ago
so boring
supersgabb92 1 year ago
See if nicholas was a bad guy would he insist his servants come along!
APRIL62318 1 year ago
@APRIL62318: If Czar Nikolai II was such a good guy, would he have ordered his Cossacks to maim and kill Jews and other non-Russian peoples in the early 20th century? Would he have sent millions of Russian boys to their deaths? Every ask yourself why he is so loved by Russia's neo-Nazis?
hectorbolshevik 1 year ago 2
Anna Anderson was proved to not be a Romanov, with DNA testing. Still, she knew stories and anecdotes about the Romanovs that weren't public. Once, someone asked her about a certain guard who was at a palace when she was a child, and she knew of whom they spoke and cried, "The man with the pockets!" (This guard had the bad habit of standing in the presence of the royal family with his hands in his pockets! ) For many, the Anna Anderson mystery has not ended.
lichtbroeder 1 year ago
maybe alexei is still alive
i mean is remais are not found right?
darkangel78921 1 year ago
@darkangel78921 they found all the remains. no one survived that tragic night im afraid. and even if they did they would be very very old and most likly passed away
1997nutcracker 1 year ago
@darkangel78921 no they found him with his sister
APRIL62318 1 year ago
@darkangel78921 the remains were found in 2007. the entire family died. yes, even anastasia. ana anderson was proven (after dna testing) to be a servant from poland.)
newyorkloverrr 1 year ago
they make nicholas look so hideous
clzjcmm 1 year ago
the tv movie sucks. book is better...
XxGallifreyRejectxX 1 year ago
@XxGallifreyRejectxX agree
michelle91150 1 year ago
HEY! Its Batman!!
sorandomwithbuds07 1 year ago
I just want to save them!
Lynn15 1 year ago
i dont get why they had to shoot anastasia and her sisters they did nothing wrong i wish i could have saved them
staget35 1 year ago
When Anastasia says she's never been as far as five days on a train and 'they say the prince of wales is very handsome'...didn't they visit the English royal family on the Isle of Wight? This may not be historicaly accurate, just want i saw in the The Lost Prince??
BBblue87 1 year ago
Not that I'm saying that someone had to die but couldnt they have just killed the Tsar. Then again if his son lived long and healthy he could take back his family throne which most likely could have happened. Anyway its still a tragic story killing children because of what their father was?
jb26508 1 year ago 3
@jb26508 Well that was the Nature of the Soviet's. Only the beginning of what Russia would have to cope with for the next 70 years. The Soviet Union was a horror.
BH206L3 1 year ago 4
Didnt they find Tsarevich's and one of the Romanov grand duchesses remains in 2007?? Id say the duchess was Anastacia
iLoveJbMcFlYTakeThat 2 years ago
@iLoveJbMcFlYTakeThat They did find what was thought to be Alexei's and one of his sisters remains. It was later confirmed that it was in fact Alexei and one of his sisters, but it wasn't Anastasia like everyone though. It was Maria. Anastasia was found with the rest of their family's remains.
TroubleTwin2 1 year ago
Very interesting part of history. I haven't studied that much about the family but rafaelc5668 i'll have to agree with romanov..you dont know that much about this family so shut it. people like you annoy me!!
sonireland 2 years ago
omg who is lenin
giralaloka 2 years ago
lenin is the leader of the bolshiviks(Red Army) he's the good guy. his dead body is still on display in Russia because he did many things to the country he gave peasants land, and food. and he retreated from the war with germany. i learned this in World History lol
rafaelc5668 2 years ago
Um, good guy? He ordered the Romanovs be murdered. Yeah, man of the year, that one.
RomanovMartyrs 2 years ago
hm yeah he is the good guy? the Czar was a cruel dictator just like the czar before him he had to order the whole family to be killed or else it would start over gosh are you retarded take World History
rafaelc5668 2 years ago
You are aware that under Lenin's orders over 2 million Russians were murdered between 1917 and 1922?
RomanovMartyrs 2 years ago
I take that back....FOUR million.
RomanovMartyrs 2 years ago
you really need to do your research, obviously your not in high school yet cuz u dnt know ur facts
rafaelc5668 2 years ago
Give me some proof then, that the Tsar was bad. Name some specifics. I'm a Russian History major and can refute them all.
God bless the Romanovs.
RomanovMartyrs 2 years ago 23
@RomanovMartyrs It's not that the tsar was bad. It was that the royal family had lost touch with the people. They lived their privileged lives while millions of people are starving on the streets. Maybe killing them wasn't the best solution but I cam sympathize with how the people who held them captive felt.
cutelittleanimegirl 7 months ago
@RomanovMartyrs Not the Tsar. The Romanovs were living it up as twhile millions of people in Russia were starving. Killing them was not the best way around things, removing them from power or establishing a democracy would have been the best obviously, but clearly that didn't happen.
DimSimToughBitch 6 months ago
@RomanovMartyrs: Very well. Sending millions of young Russians to die against their will in a war they didn't want. Sending them into battle, half without guns or shoes against the Germans. Cossack militias shooting those who retreated. Unleashing the Black Hundreds and Cossacks against strikes workers and their families, and non-Russian neighborhoods. The anti-Jewish pogroms in the early 1900s carried out under the Czar's orders that left even children with their throats slit. The short list.
hectorbolshevik 6 months ago
@hectorbolshevik First comrade, lemme say I like Trotsky, and support many elements of communism, so please don't think of me as a foe. I don't believe Nicholas was very powerful at all. He was a simple family man in a position he didn't want. He was weak, unfocused, and easy to manipulate. That doesn't make him bad, that just makes him unfit to rule. The pogroms were the fault of Minister of the Interior Plehve, who in documented sources has been proven to be working against the Tsar's wishes.
RomanovMartyrs 2 months ago
After Plehve's assassination, his police continued with a plan he'd created which led to Bloody Sunday. The Tsar didn't know what had happened until afterwards (similar to the Khodynka massacre, which, upon being informed of, the Tsar cancelled his plans and went there in person to distribute money/support to the victims). After Bloody Sunday, the Tsar met with heads of the army in attempt to make them understand their error and even took the blame himself, but he'd NEVER ordered them to fire.
RomanovMartyrs 2 months ago
I suggest to you reading some Okhrana records or Fontanka 16. As for WWI (something I can never agree with), I too dislike that Russia was involved. However public support for the war when Russia entered was overwhelming. Without Russia, Paris would have fallen, though unfortunately it was saved at the cost of almost 1 million Russian lives. Lastly, I dare say what came after the last Tsar wasn't much better: Between 1917 and 1922 alone Lenin's regime was responsible for over 4 million deaths.
RomanovMartyrs 2 months ago
Interestingly enough, Alexandra did not share many of Nicholas's prejudices. During the war she urged the Emperor to make sure that Russian troops entering Turkey as conquerors behaved respectfully towards Mosques and religious shrines: - ‘Please give the order most strongly that our troops should not touch anything that belongs to the Mohammedans - they can use them again for their religion. We are Christians and not barbarians.’
Karenjadegirl 3 months ago
Like many of her age and class, Alexandra was however instinctively suspicious of Jews; she was quick to note if a trouble-maker had a Jewish name. On the other hand she did not go so far as to condemn the entire race, and she was vocal about the injustice of the legal and settlement restrictions upon Jews to the point where members of the Imperial Family believed her to be personally behind Nicholas’s attempt- too late in his reign- to repeal them.
Karenjadegirl 3 months ago
@Karenjadegirl Source?
RomanovMartyrs 2 months ago
@RomanovMartyrs The Alexander Palace Time Machine
Karenjadegirl 2 months ago
@RomanovMartyrs I wouldn't say he was a bad man, just not cut out to be Tsar. His father never educated him in how to rule, and he didn't have the right personality to rule Russia. It's pure bad luck that he was born into a role he didn't want or should have had.
coombeslauren 2 months ago
and The czar turned Russia into a Police State, how cruel
rafaelc5668 2 years ago
I believe you have your words mixed up. Police State has never been a historical reference to the Tsar. It's most widely used on North Korea and Cuba. If ever there was rigid economic and social control in Russia that would be the USSR, not Imperial Russia.
RomanovMartyrs 2 years ago
omg stfu i blocked you for a reason think wat you want im not going to force it into your little head
rafaelc5668 2 years ago
I just asked for simple proof that the Tsar was bad/worse than Lenin. Apparently you cannot find proof because it is not there. I was nothing but civil with you so please try to be mature when replying. If you've blocked me I don't understand why you'd reply at all.
RomanovMartyrs 2 years ago
i dont believe Tsar was bad...Im into the Russian History...give us proofs...
PrincessMelody6 1 year ago
wait i think i got mixed up lol
rafaelc5668 2 years ago
@rafaelc5668 lenin had a 13 yr old child disabled child murdered plus woman and a puppy he is up there with stalin and hitler do research more!
APRIL62318 1 year ago
@APRIL62318: So what were their names? If you're going to make vague accusations, you'd better provide proof.
hectorbolshevik 1 year ago
@hectorbolshevik i read it lenin had them all killed so he could take over the people were afraid of him just like hitler and stalin they were brainwashed
APRIL62318 1 year ago
@APRIL62318: So which way was it? Were they afraid or brainwashed? Again, stop making statements of things you don't know.
hectorbolshevik 1 year ago
@hectorbolshevik both he used fear to control them after a while they believed everything he said that is brainwashing. don't tell me what to do why do you defend him anyway i guess hitler was right also!
APRIL62318 1 year ago
@APRIL62318: How did Lenin do that? Giving women a right to vote and get a divorce? Stripping the church, and the capitalist class of their power? Ending Russia's participation in that rotten war? Giving power to the workers councils? This is what the Russian people wanted. You clearly know nothing about the subject. Hitler was brought to power by the German capitalists. Putting him and Lenin in the same boat is in a word: ignorant.
hectorbolshevik 1 year ago
@APRIL62318 You need to research white army attrocities.
RomanovMartyrs 2 months ago
@rafaelc5668 did you listen in world history? we learned that he was a terrible terrible person. do u go to school in the south? those republicans tend to avoid facts...
newyorkloverrr 1 year ago
is alexei played by Cristian Bale???? cuz it looks like him....
MetalChick1333 2 years ago
yes it is this was his first film
lukeallcock2 2 years ago
You can't convince me that Joseph Stalin had a right to call anyone else a tyrant. He was a insane butcher. Boy, talk about the "pot calling the kettle black"!!!
gotch09 2 years ago
Actually, lennin wasnt poular, he only kept power because he was so violent and tyranical. so he didnt have the support of the majority. White terror isnt a historical term, you just made it up and even if Nicholas was a tyrancal bloodthirsty dictator, did his children deserve to die, what did his 14 year old son do to deserve murder and what did the 17 year old daughter do?
MEXICANWAVES 2 years ago 4
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PrincessMelody6 2 years ago
@MEXICANWAVES Might want to Wiki Search "White Terror (Russia)". It existed. But this was not Nicholas's fault- by this time he was arrested. The imperial government was to blame for tyranny; Nicholas was as much a victim of circumstance as anyone else. But Lenin was actually very popular- elected Chairman of People's Council in 1917 and as the war went on became more followed. Of course the children didn't deserve to die, but many justified it after deaths of so many of the workers' children.
RomanovMartyrs 2 months ago
get over it people stop fighting and just watch the show this happened almost a 100 years ago why argue over something so long ago? blame it all on rasputian the evil priest if you want nothing you two say can change sad history.
chaircat 2 years ago
and plus the romanovs cud still return as there are still many of the descendats alive and i hope they do
MrLoz20 2 years ago
hectorbolshevik a family shud neva have bin killed ur attitude is disgusting u shud b ashamed of urself my gr8 gran parents workd in the imperial court wsurrounded by the family every day i hope u c error in ur ways one day
MrLoz20 2 years ago
would really x 1000 love to know the title's of the elexant instrumentals lawrence rosenthawe
chose for this movie !!!
ajn43us1 2 years ago
why bolcheviques died children?? oh my god thats a murder!!!!!
exilie children but don't kil them :(
it's sooo sad
rayodesoldeamanecer 2 years ago
You might want to ask why Nikolai II ordered his cutthroats to savagely murder Jewish and non-Russian children, and the children of labor activists and trade unionists.
hectorbolshevik 2 years ago
Actually, Nicholas did not order the massacre on 'Bloody Sunday'. In fact, he was horrified. Also, for the most part, the Tsars forces mainly harrassed and exiled the Jewish people, but it wasn't a systamatic mass murder. At any rate, in spite of Nicholas and Alexandras flaws, failures and incompetance, they were not evil people and did not deserve to be murdered.
Karenjade 2 years ago
I wasn't refering to the Bloody Sunday Massacre, I meant the anti-semitic pogroms that he unleashed which his goons led by priests did slaughter Jews. Unions, labor activists, and other minorities met the same fate. The Czar was a murderous tyrant. He also did not punish his thugs who murdered those people on Bloody Sunday. I won't even go into the mistreatment and appalling of Russian soldiers in his war. Yes, the Romanov's deserved to die for what they did.
hectorbolshevik 2 years ago
Lenins goons, the Bolsheviks, Cheka, were a million times more powerful, brutal and tyrannical and their own crimes against humanity *far* outweighed the Tzars, thus the term "Red Terror", and Lenin a much colder, harder, more unfeeling man then Nicholas ever was. Sorry, but my sympathy still remains with Nicholas and his family and I can't agree that any of them deserved to be murdered.
Karenjade 2 years ago 2
What about the term "White Terror"? When Czarist cutthroats were killing, raping, and pillaging in order for their leader to be restored to power. Red Terror was the necessary response. Lenin established a workers democracy and the Bolsheviks prevailed against all odds. Shows you were the majority stood. Did you know that the Czar is he second most loved man next to Hitler by Russia's neo-Nazis? Why is that? Lenin didn't slaughter innocent people because of their ethnicity like the Czar.
hectorbolshevik 2 years ago
So, Tzarist cuthroats pillage, rape and murder to restore their leader to power and Bolshevik Cheka cutthroats pillaged raped and murdered to keep *their* leader in power. How are *either* of them in the right?
No, Lenin didn't kill for ethnicity, he killed anyone who even remotely disagreed with him. And ironically, many historians and authors agree that Lenin paved the way not only for his successor, Stalin, but also for Mao, Hitler and Pol Pot.
Karenjade 2 years ago
Now, I know how ill informed you are. The Bolsheviks had the support of the majority throughout the Czar's prison house of the peoples. Everyone hated the Czar. I've seen the work of such "historians" who are bent on demonizing the Bolsheviks from ripping Russia from imperialism's grip. Hitler hated the Soviets, "Against Jewish-Bolshevism". Pol Pot was a U.S backed tyrant. Lenin and Trotsky would never have greeted scum like Churchill and Nixon as Stalin and Mao did.
hectorbolshevik 2 years ago
Now I know how biased *you* are. No, they demonize the Bolsheviks for being just as bad, if not *worse*, then those they destroyed to gain power; The pot replacing the kettle.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this because *nothing* can convince me Nicholas and his whole family were evil or deserved to be murdered.
Karenjade 2 years ago
@hectorbolshevik they had support through fear
APRIL62318 1 year ago
@APRIL62318: What fear? The Russian people could've easily been "saved" by the Whites and their 17 foreign supporters, yet one by one they ran with their tails between their legs. The Bolsheviks won over the people who were tired of that bloody war and living in extreme poverty.
hectorbolshevik 1 year ago
so sad! it just makes me wish that i could run into that house and tell them all whats gonna happen!!!!
bomby4130 2 years ago 36
@bomby4130 me too i'll end up screaming at the screen don't go don't go
APRIL62318 1 year ago
@bomby4130 That would be awesome!
beccaiscolness4life 10 months ago
holy crap christian bale!
lovemovies34 2 years ago
NO ONE SURVIVED!
vivalavidachick96 2 years ago
True, but the mini-series was shot in 1988, when it still wasn't definitively proven that Anna Anderson was a fraud. Also, in defense of this film, it never outright states that Anna Anderson really was the Grand Duchess Anastasia, just like the 1956 film.
HouseOnSunset 2 years ago
:D!!
did you watch the documentary on TV about it :D?
hardly anyone knwos about it, i always enjoy explaining it :). it makes me feel clever :)
xx
mcflanette 2 years ago
i always enjoy explaining it too!
crystalheart07 2 years ago
I know that documentary too!
jellymuffin97apples 2 years ago
For god sake, no russian accents. That's the problem with english. Thank god no other language suffers from that.
Serdikan 2 years ago
christian bale is soo cute!!!!
takashigirl09 3 years ago 3
Hmm... I wonder what sort of tantrums he threw while they were filming this...
KekoaOnorati 3 years ago
I agree with you:)
jellymuffin97apples 2 years ago
i've a question..... the guy thats play the role as Czar NicholasII... where is he from??
valerie9288 3 years ago
Omar Sharif. He was in Doctor Zhivago. Also Funny Girl with Barbara Streisand.
KekoaOnorati 3 years ago 3
Thanks!
=]
valerie9288 3 years ago
I think it is so sad how they were all killed
cubaxyz 3 years ago 3
They had already won the revolution, to murder the Imperial family was a travesty beyond reconcile. The soviets firmly controlled the government and the Tsar did not challenge that power. They should have been allowed to leave to an allied nation such as Britain or the US.
lastminuteregret 3 years ago 2
Actually, the Czar did challenge the Revolution. A large portion White Army was loyal to Czar Romanov plus his murderous proto-fascist paramilitaries The Black Hundreds and Cossacks. Had the Czar and his family lived, they would've assumed leadership of the White Army to obtain what Romanov perceived as his God given right to run Russia however he wanted. Especially if he'd allowed to go to the United States or Great Britain.
hectorbolshevik 3 years ago
Yes. If anything they should have just killed the Czar, it was not the family's fault. They did not deserve that kind of brutal death.
corckey 3 years ago
that is entirely true in fact the bolsheviks hid the fact that the tsarina and the children were killed along with Nicholas. The execution style was unnecessary because many of the people weren't opposed to Nicholas' death.
fight4acause 3 years ago
Yes. but i think they killed them all because they wanted no part of that family to become heir to the throne, or any power of the country...
corckey 3 years ago
Yes, but they wanted to end the entire Romanov line. Even if the women would be spared, the young Tsarevich would have been killed along with his father.
HouseOnSunset 2 years ago
thats so sad...
corckey 2 years ago
Can I just clear a popular misconception up.. nobody knows whether maria or anastasia were found? The bodies were so badly burned that the daughter found could be either maria or anastasia? both the sisters were so close in age that it was impossible to tell whether the missing girl was maria or anastasia.
huwwilson650 3 years ago
no. the girl was too tall and old, they haven't officially classified it because there is room for uncertainty, but they do believe it is Maria.
ParanoidAndroidx0 3 years ago 2
i'm actually quite certain that they don't know. in the funeral proceedings they stated that it could be either one of the girls and during the dna testing they stated that they could only say that it was ONE of youngest daughters but that they didn't know which one. many people say it is was maria but the truth is they don't for sure which one it was but that they knew it was ONE of the youngest daughters. they couldn't tell if one was taller than the other because the remains were in bits!
huwwilson650 3 years ago
yeah it's him
cookieshopgirl 3 years ago 2
is the brother christian bale? cause it looks like him
reb1391 3 years ago 2
yeah its him... little batman
kitcatbar95 3 years ago 17
Little Batman:)lol
Sztriki86 3 years ago 3
@kitcatbar95 Right when i was feeling sad from this video, I saw ur comment and laughed.
orenji196 1 year ago
anastasia met prince edward in 1909 when the family visited the british royal family on the isle of wight.
strangeorwhat 3 years ago
the remains of the missing grand duchess (probably anastasia but it could also be maria) and alexis were found in siberia.... no one survived.... may they all rest in peace.
eponine13thenard 3 years ago 4
it wasnt anastasia we dont know if she survived she was still missing she was never found they closed the case as no one could find everything it was rumoured she had been found dead in siberia but it wasnt her
noangel09 3 years ago
Look at the August 25, 2007 ny times article entitled "Experts May Have Found Remains of Czar's Children" by Clifford J. Levy. This article tells for two bodies unearthed in siberia that are probably alexei and maria. That means that since the bodies of three of the four grand duchesses were found in the mass grave that none of the family survived. Also look at the July 21, 2008 article from the Gainsville Sun (Florida) called "A royal mystery solved."
eponine13thenard 3 years ago
heh, when guy says "for printing leaflets" ...well yeah it's a very poor reason for being put in prison.. and then she said "that's a whole lot more than I've ever done." ...just wipes the superiority right out of him!
intentionalsound 3 years ago
Anastasia did escape but probably hiding. The girls that said that they're Anastasia are lying I mean wouldn't the real Anastasia be scared of the German will organize an assassin to kill her if they found out that she's still alive. So do I have a point?
laov 3 years ago
Not really no. You have not backed your theory with facts, that is the main flaw.
loonylivi 3 years ago
I think you do have a point. Only I don't know if it was Anastasia that survived. You should google "Owen Tudor's Mysterious Wife" because the wife in questions is rumored to be Tatiana, and the website actually has some good evidence to back that theory up. Add to that the fact that Larissa's (the wife's) tombstone was polished, cleaned, and the railings surrounding it were removed in June of '98, which is the year and month the remains of the Romanovs were laid to rest. it's fascinating!
kathCT 3 years ago 3
FYI - Christian Bales first movie. :)
9BallQueen 3 years ago 3
I was just thinking about that too. His looks haven't changed at all. He still has the same adorable face!
kathCT 3 years ago
hey y r these kids british. the family is from RUSSIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
creolerose09 3 years ago
Yes but i don't think Ebglish speaking people would be so happy watching a documentry in russian!
laurenlfc48 3 years ago 4
to Rainb0wToes0x
i could point out that they verified the dna off of prince philip of edinburgh, who shares the same mithrocondrial dna as tsarina alexandra, so anna anderson was a fake
cnob88 3 years ago 3
To Kaycey;
I just wanted to pointout the fact that the DNA Anderson was sampled could infact not be of the prominent family. Don't forget, they weren't the only ones to die that night. It was their doctor, the family pet, as well as the cleaning AND cooking crew. That DNA the scientists alleged were of the royal family may not. Unfortunately what I just said can't really be proven or disproven.
Rainb0wToes0x 3 years ago
one says,nikolaj 2 was not the real father of anastaSia
bhumikafan 3 years ago
its a nice story but all the romanovs were killed . no-one survived
lilmissc132 3 years ago
anastasia was executed and burned right ?
RICARDOAGUAS 3 years ago
no they shot the family but anastasia was still ok so they stabbed her . they also stripped the bodies and put them in acid to not have the remains found. it is very dreadful
bernbar 3 years ago
who is anna anderson and what does she have to do with anastasia?
rwg1025 3 years ago
when they said that anastasia was missing. many girls claimed that they were anastasia (anya) so that they could get the family fourtune. the most famous of them was anna anderson. but she wasn't anya at all.
nhykz09 3 years ago 2
Many people thought she looked like Anastasia. And she did too. And when she died her DNA was sampled and it was not Anastasia.
Kaycey27 3 years ago 3
Anna Anderson was a mental patient that escaped from an institution . DNA test was done on Anna Anderson's great nephew and Anna Anderson's gastric tissue that was obtained while she was in the hospital in the U.S. The DNA matched. Her DNA did not match any of the Russian Royal family. AS blood sample was taken from Prince Phillip because he is directly related to Nicholas' wife. There was no relation to Anna Anderson. She duped everyone
Creolelady281 3 years ago 4
the real anastasia was shot and burned right? her body was not buried with her family members
RICARDOAGUAS 3 years ago
lol yea, this documentary is really inaccurate. .. . interesting, but very very off. . . .
SuperGal06 3 years ago
the prince of wales wasn't "just her age" he was about 6 years older, and probably more suited for olga or tatiana.
and the family left in daylight with a lot of people, from the palace station, not some country station in the middle of no where.
emynarnen 3 years ago
did te dudesay that he printed leaflets??
annabann21 4 years ago
the story of anna anderson is so amazing. its hard to beleive that with the many exact physical features as the grand ditchess, her DNA matched that of the missing factory worker. hopefully the mystery will be solved when the recently found graves are uncovered.
LoveForEquitation 4 years ago
i love this story, i like it very much.
Yayoi4 4 years ago
Woodrow Wilson helped Trotsky and Lenin and Stalin and the Bolsheviks. After the fall of the monarchy, the new communist gov't rewarded the usa with money
DesertOasis07 4 years ago
you couldnt send some clips to me could you i would be onered?
mizzleahmizzyl 4 years ago
Sorry, my post that starts with "This is because mitochondrial DNA..." is supposed to go after my post that starts with "And Anna Anderson, a relative...."
My apologies! Sorry if it doesn't make sense.
bubblebum224 4 years ago
i understand i love biology
topkitten01 4 years ago
This is because mitochondrial DNA is passed from mother to children. So certain relatives (with the same connections of Anastasia Romanov and the prince) will have the EXACT same mitochondrial DNA as you. Others will have similar mitochondrial DNA, because of the 99.9% thing. I'm concluding that Anna Anderson was a fake.
bubblebum224 4 years ago
They found all the family's secretly buried coffins but hers and her younger brother's. Recently they found two more graves, but they are testing to see if it's hers and her brothers. Anna Anderson might have been a Polish woman who disappeared right as "Anna Anderson" arrived. But the polish woman had the same scars as Anastasia-but the polish woman also worked in a grenade factory too...
bubblebum224 4 years ago
so were anastasias remains found ?
RICARDOAGUAS 3 years ago
no she was never found
noangel09 3 years ago
yes she was
otmacp 3 years ago
... And Anna Anderson, a relative of the polish woman, and a relative of Anastasia Romanov all had VERY similar mitochondrial DNA! Except Anastasia Romanov and the prince had exactly the same! And the polish woman's differed slightly for theirs. It should be expected for similarities, though, because 99.9% of every humans DNA is the same. But the prince's and Anastasia Romanov MITOCHONDRIAL DNA should (and was) exactly the same, but not with the polish woman.
bubblebum224 4 years ago
werent they russian yo??? they should have russian accents not british
Baileymred 4 years ago
christian bale is SOOOO ADORABLLEEEE!!! he was talking and the way he smiled (his lips thin and curl) was like HEY!!! IT'S CHRISTIAN BALEEE!!! hehehe well i got more than i expected while watching this hehehe
now on to part three!!!
michelleyuen 4 years ago 2
They made a mistake. They didn't leave in the middle of the night. They left early morning.
TsarObezyanka 4 years ago
Maybe it was supposed to be early morning? Before dawn break? It could have still been black out...
Princessportent 4 years ago
Nicholas wrote in his dairy, I don't have the exact quote as the book is at home. Something along the lines of "It was a beautiful sunny morning as we left Tsarkoe Selo never to see it again."
TsarObezyanka 4 years ago
oh just enjoy the movie....perhaps one day some director will actually make it almost right...and a damn good one too I hope.
littlesushii 4 years ago
Liked the movie as a movie. But the argument is almost all fictionl...The girls are not as the books depicts them, and Anastasia doesn't seems to have 16 but barely 12 or 13, LOL.
CapaodaCanoa 4 years ago 4
anyone notice that little alexei is none other than Christian Bale in his first ever role?
rivercraig 4 years ago 9