Great video. I totally agree with you on the part where you mention that people can be fired just like that. To me it's one or the other. When you work well there is so much more money outside of working in a shop.
I had a neighbor come to me to help him get his truck running (I had never spoken to him before), and I foolishly agreed to help him, even though I didn't have the time to take on another project.. I told him I am NOT a mechanic, but I would do my best to help him. After getting it running he payed me for my troubles. How do I turn down future requests without insulting anyone? I'm really only comfortable working on my own vehicles.
@moparmurderer Honestly that's something you're going to have to decide for yourself but as long as you let them know up front I can't see how they would have a problem with it.
One reason I really never did side work...to damn tired! And yes it's stealing. From an owners stand point. If you work for someone who isn't rewarding you for bringing customers, then leave...owner will be sorry when your clients follow you. Just be good at whatever you do.
As an auto mechanic I only support myself, so I don't need the extra bucks gotten from side work, but for most mechanics with, say, a wife & 2 kids, oh, Mama! They GOTTA do side work, but like he says, be careful, vis-a-vis liability.
@ETCG1 ITS A SHAME THAT SOOOO MANY PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE "GOOD" MECHANICS I WORK IN A DEALERSHIP 3 YEARS AGO WHERE THE SERVICE WRITER AND THE LEAD TECH HAD A SUSPICIOUS "BOND'. WHERE A SIMPLE OIL CHANGE WOULD TURN INTO A $275 ALINMENT AND TIE ROD END JOB..BUT THE TECH DIDNT REPLACE ANYTHING HE WOULD SPRAY P.B. BLASTER ON THE CURRENT TIE-ROD ENDS AND SEND THEM ON THEY WAY... I GUESS THATS WHY THAT CERTAIN TECH WAS TURNING 100 PLUS HRS.. A WEEK....ITS REALLY SAD!!!!!
@ETCG1 thanks for responding i will take what you said into consideration, i just had a service call or a quote rather.. a lady called and ask for the labor on a 1999 acura 2.5l timing belt and water pump job, i told her that i will charge $125 for the work and provide a 2 year 25,000 mile warranty on my labor..she responded by saying."that sounds like alot ill shop around and call you back"....smh!!!! its a shame that when you are trying to help people they think you are ripping them off..
hello eric i really enjoy your vids they were very helpful, i also do side work but i work a full-time non automotive job.. and i find it very hard to please people i give all my customers information on they car and charge a decent price with a reciept and a warranty on my work, i also show the problem and find a positive and right solution..my question is should i pick and choose my side work to stay safe???? i currently am a 8 year tech with brakes and suspension certs under my belt...
@2caliper Good question. If you're going to do business run it like a business, what you're doing is 'favors' and you're either going to go broke or perhaps find yourself in a sticky situation one day. I would say decide if you want to do it as a business OR if you just want to help out your family and friends.
@JackMacyntire I think it's like that for anyone who wants to make an effort in something they feel passionate about. I don't consider myself overly talented but I do work hard.
another informative vid from the master. i do lots of sid work for friends and family and give lots of advice, none that would cause a problem or come back on me. but with friends and family there is a rate for them which alot of the time they think should be free or next to nothing, thats why i pick my side jobs. i have no problem helping, and small stuff is fine, but i don't like doing larger jobs for free. and sometimes they think its up to me to cover parts, little stuff is fine, thats it.
i love how you actually read your comments and respond to the people you are trying to help. luv your vids and i learn alot from you thanks sincerely from a loyal viewer! with that said i wish you would change your intro music lol
@NinjaNeglector It's getting harder and harder to keep up with comments if I'm honest and that makes me sad because I really enjoy the interaction I have with the people that watch my videos. You're in the minority on the music but I appreciate your opinion, thanks for your comment.
I work at a BMW dealership with 30 hoists, its a huge shop. The great part about it is that I can bring in any side work I want after working hours as long as the vehicle I
bring in is a non BMW. That way they cannot look at it as taking money from their pockets.
personally i don't think it is wrong taking work away from the business you're employed at. Consider this, if you were paid what you were worth and appreciated then you probably wouldn't do side work in the first place. I work for a big faceless P.L.C that looks at technicians that are just machines to be fed work. They don't treat people with respect and give very little. So in that case i think fuck them and i'll look after number one.
@TheTreherne THAT is a bad attitude and unprofessional in my opinion. It may very well be that your employer is not appreciating you like they should but as they say "2 wrongs don't make a right" and in my opinion your just making things worse. It might be time to look for another place to work if things are that bad instead of putting yourself in a position where they can easily get rid of you.
@ETCG1 at the moment they need my skill level but i'm under no illusion that at the first chance they,d show me the door as i'm not a yes man. I have the same morals as you when it comes to fixing cars and making sure the custommer is happy. Personally i don't see how me making money on the side to support my family is wrong. I work hard and efficiently and over here in Britain the pay isn't particulary good. You may say two wrongs don't make a right but morals doesn't feed mouths.
Here's a tip, DON'T BRING YOUR WORK HOME!! Leave shop customers in the shop and don't bring your home customers into the shop. Follow this simple rule you will be alright.
Here's a tip, DON'T BRING YOUR WORK HOME!! Leave shop customers in the shop and don't bring your home customers into the shop. Follow this simple you will be alright.
I've done some side work for friends who are NOT customers of the shop I work for and I see no problem in doing that, however taking customers away from the shop you work for is wrong.
I've found that sidework often becomes way more of a headache then its worth. What often started as a simple problem turns into a real big one and freakin headache in the long run. One way I look at it is, depending on who is seeking your services on the side, these people arent having you do the job because they are really looking to spend any money. These same people are often gonna look for any way they can to totally EFF you over. So my recommendation is keep the sidework to family/friends
It's interesting to note the differences in employment practice between the US and the UK. Two things: 1 - technicians are employed on a contract. You can only be fired after two written warnings (subject to a trial period). So arbitrary firing is not normal. 2 - you are paid a wage irrelevant to 'hours' billed. Tax is deducted by the employer - but, if you do cash side work - you should still declare it to the tax people. I suspect there isn't much difference in how this is implemented!
@davelowe1977 Interesting, thanks very much for weighing in on this I was hoping to hear from people outside the US. BTW how long are the 'contracts' usually for? Thanks again.
When I was a around 16, my mom's friend's husband was a mechanic and he offered to do some side work in replacing the timing belt on my 89 honda. He did it, charged me $500 and 3 months later my car was dead. He forgot to install a key in a pully and my new timing belt ripped appart. Because it was a friend of hers, I wasn't allowed to ask for my money back. I think that's why now as an adult, I'll tell my friends to just find a mechanic. It's a personal liability to fix a friend's car
Thanks for the Vidd Eric im 17 and i detail and service peoples cars some friends and family. One thing i would have to say is dont incorporate your work with your family. My family has destroyed my reputation as a kidd that does grade A servicing on peoples cars. I have had everyone amazed on the quality of work i do but is a shame no one wants to come back after you mother yells at the costomer about the amount I (Me) charge. All i have to say is money can make people greedy.
@SiRHumpAlot924 That is unfortunate, give it time though I'm sure things will get better especially if you get some schooling under your belt and become certified. Good luck.
wow you really opened my eyes to looking at side work differently. Most of the people I do work for are told by me before hand that I am not a professional nor did I go to school for any training. I tell them ahead of time so they know the type of employer they just hired. I'm glad to say my outcome on side jobs has boosted people to recommend me to other friends. Before I work I research(vids,parts,tools needed) if it seems too much for me to handle I let the people know.
That was a loud woodpecker hehe--but I have been getting some side work and I work as a video editor haha, go figure...but I have a solid trust between my friends and my ability to fix their car(s). The trickiest thing is getting quotes/cost. I also try to work slowly and methodically...but then that cuts into my time, and his/her time away from the car...
I just try to lay it all out there and say "I will do my best and fix it with the tools I have." Thoughts?
@peelout40 Casual work is one thing but there comes a point where it becomes a business and I'm just advocating that it gets treated like one when you get to that point. As for how much to charge come up with an hourly rate you are comfortable with and go by Mitchell labor times.
@Jmkinsey84 it depends on the (( location )) of the shop + if you want to be a registered NY state auto dealer they look at your solid & liquid assets - debt, your driving record and your credit score. I pay $950.00 per year but that covers garage liability and 2 dealer plates. most other small shops pay about $3000 per year
in NY if you are not registered with the state as a repair facility and you fix someones car and the inspector catches you it is a $1000 fine first offence.
@AdirondackNY That's pretty crazy. I live in NY and there's some guy nearby that has a lawn sign advertising brake work and oil changes he does at his house. I wonder how much that rule is enforced.
@ETCG1 it is anything automotive repair, state inspection, boat repair, auto & boat dealer, motor cycle, RV, ATVs, I know the laws because back in 1991 I got cought running an auto body repair shop in my garage at home, the inspector let me go because he saw I had more equipment then even the shop that turned me in also I knew what I was doing in that field. he also told me how to make it leagal and I did + since there is no zoneing in my town I opened an used car dealership as well.
@rogersvids it is enforced only if someone turns him in. normaly when a customer has a problem or he digs into the profit of local shops they can call the inspector at the DMV and that is when it hits the fan. your neighbor might be a fantastic mechanic trying to stay afloat in these tough times but the law is there to protect the public from being ripped off by the ones that come & go.
As the new guy I never like sidework at the shop anymore after a bad experience that got me almost kicked out. I now only do side work that the other techs give me or help me with, because they have a better standing with the owner. Most of my sidework is now done at home because it is much more relaxed
talking bout side work that happends on american hot rod mike curtis went to design wheels for ship foose on the side then got terminated when boyd found out
Hello Eric. It's good and it feels great that you really care about us that way, and that you make this videos to warn us about potential dangers. Sometimes you are like a father for us. Thank you for everything Eric.
@HK0HunterKiller That is high praise indeed thank you. I do try to give the most useful information I can because nothing would disappoint me more than looking for information on how to solve a problem and getting bad information. Thanks very much for your comment.
I can tell you it works out like that for a lot of jobs I worked for NCR for 9.5 years and was hilgly computer and network trained I also in the job worked on million dollar
sorters that everbodys state income checks went thru , I was ask by the distric manager of Fleet bank to come and and do a PM on off time to save them 200k for doing it on time I refused so they tried to say I scroowed up the sorters when I worked on them it never fails coustomers do anything to save a buck.
@ncrdisabled That sounds a little more vindictive than "just saving a buck". It is unfortunate the world does work this way though. Thanks very much for your input and comment.
Before any tech school hands out a certificate, they should require them to watch this video. Im not joking. Between the two-faced dealership owners and the friends that whine "fix my car pleaaaaaaaaaase" but wont hesitate to bring a suite if something happens.
I asked alot earlier what the reason was at the dealership was you were let go and I appreciate ya making this vid.
This is a great subject to speak on and share experiences. At my first job as a technician I ran into a similar problem. I did some side work not knowing it wasn't okay due to being new to the business. Guess I should have used a little more common sense and actually thought about it, but I didn't. They didn't fire me, but was told that I would be the last person to go to schools, the last person to get raises, etc.... Even described as, "the whore that I was to this company!" Be smart!
Many years ago I had a problem with my Acura and took it to a shop to have it fixed. That shop was located close to home and in a pinch was good place to take cars to get work done. One day i saw that the shop was closed and it stayed closed. I found out that they closed because they had taken a customers cars out to another shop for special work and on the way the car got T-boned at a red light. The legal problems from that closed that shop and cost everyone who worked there their jobs.
@moofushu Sounds like they didn't have insurance. I was out in a car myself once and was in an accident and totaled the car, the insurance paid for it and the guy got a new car, the shop stayed open.
Up here in Canada they have to have a good reason to fire you or they have to play severance pay. Working on the side would be one of them. Last year I told my boss to stick it where the sun don't sine, and was working the next day at a different shop. I had four job offfers in the next month. I ended up going be to work for my old boss and got a raise. Just remember as well that a good tec is hard to find, and if you have a good name you will never be out of work. ShawnCFarm
@ShawnCFarm As you get older you may find that is not so much the case because with experience comes a price and the trend that I'm seeing is to move the older more experienced guys out to make room for younger 'cheeper' techs. Don't take your job for granted ever as it could go away at any time for the stupidest reasons, my life is testament to that.
@ETCG1 This is very ture. But where I live there is a shortage of any good tecs, but like you say its all about the bosses pocket. Like you at this point I just want to do my own thing. I would love to make youtube my full time job, because I love sharing the info with everyone and making videos. I always have fun.
Speaking of taxes, there is a local exhaust shop that doesn't charge tax on their repairs and you have to pay in cash. I don't know how they get around it. People in town know about it, a co worker told me about it. They get tons of business too.
@ETCG1 No doubt, must be why their location is in a weird spot that gets no drive-by traffic. This place is right down the street from my house and i've been within walking distance of this place for all my life and didn't even know it was their. I'm sure they would do better if they went legit.
I'm not a mechanic (I drive wrecker). but I find from 15 years experience of doing it, your best mechanics are the ones that strike out on their own, and get away from the "Big Box, Fix It All" stores and dealerships..
And yeah, I've been fired from a few jobs in the past too for various things. The folks who haven't been fired ever are the ones you need to worry about; their noses tend to be brown...
@jdouglasfisher I find that to be true myself in many cases but there are some dealerships (very rare) that have a good thing, just depends on the ownership I guess. Thanks very much for your comment.
There is another aspect, concerning those who are incompletely qualified. As an amateur, doing repairs on your own vehicles is usually fair game. But if an amateur works on somebody else's car, serious liability can rain down. I'll work on cars that I own, but I would never risk working on a friend's vehicle. Too much to lose....
I have the same problem at work, I work for a Landscape contracter and every so often I barrow equipment to work on families yards but I always watch what I'm doing and how often I do it because being a college student I need that job
BUT im definatly not saying the garages that charge a reasonable rate do a bad job, you just have to find one with a good mechanic there - thats anouther topic to discuss on anouther video.
Anouther great etcg1! I think this applies to many difrent jobs, but it really shows how average joe cant afford/wont spend $80+ an hour for labor. theres 10 shops in the small town i live in. 3 have high labor and stay buisy, but the old timer who charges 40 an hour gets so mutch buisness he contracts it out to two outher shops.
so the worst thing u can do is try convince company customers to be ur own. my view on side work is it should be on the side as in out of building. idc if u have to jack up cars and do it in the drive way but some stuff that cant be done. i would only bring in side work if u ask the guy that controls ur job and ask him if he doesnt mind. says no leave it as that
good video..... i always have thought about this as well. working on friends cars and whatnot. I work on larger diesel trucks so it is alittle different for me since we don't service cars at the shop but yah they don't let us bring in personal vehicles for any major repairs. just small stuff. but i hear yah on the liability stuff. i usually pick and choose what i will or won't do for someone on the side. often ill just say take it in somewhere instead.
Excellent video Eric. Another thing from a consumer perspective that people should be aware of is that they may not have a leg to stand on if there is an issue. A lot of the work is often done cash in hand without proof or receipt. As a result, it can be hard to claim against someone if something goes wrong.
I got fired for doing side work back in 1981 at the Mazda dealer. I had my own shop and I worked in it at night. The boss found out and I was out the door. It was the best thing that ever happened to me. It made me a stronger person and I learned not to depend on anyone but myself....
@ncautoman57 Glad things worked out for you, sometimes what seems like the worst thing at the time can turn out to be the best thing in the end. Thanks for your comment.
The most common side work I tend to pull is brake jobs. Thing about that is, if that car crashes the next day and the brakes were found to be faulty, you are 100% liable. So, don't do "pad slaps". Do the whole thing right!
Nine minutes of great info, It is a good warning for people that do sidejobs for the instant gratification of getting money in their pocket and not thinking about all the things you mentioned. Thanks, keep em coming. (videos)
Crazy man. Thanks for being up front & fairly open about your unfortunate past. Not that I need to say anything, but you know you're a smart hard working guy. I'll be a perm long time follow of yours. Can't wait to see what your future endeavours have in store!
wait so where do u work?
ajo229 2 weeks ago
Great video. I totally agree with you on the part where you mention that people can be fired just like that. To me it's one or the other. When you work well there is so much more money outside of working in a shop.
BASICS1A1 3 weeks ago
Damn!!! I hve faced this so much in this field.
shabazzkunfu 2 months ago
I had a neighbor come to me to help him get his truck running (I had never spoken to him before), and I foolishly agreed to help him, even though I didn't have the time to take on another project.. I told him I am NOT a mechanic, but I would do my best to help him. After getting it running he payed me for my troubles. How do I turn down future requests without insulting anyone? I'm really only comfortable working on my own vehicles.
moparmurderer 2 months ago
@moparmurderer Honestly that's something you're going to have to decide for yourself but as long as you let them know up front I can't see how they would have a problem with it.
ETCG1 1 month ago
One reason I really never did side work...to damn tired! And yes it's stealing. From an owners stand point. If you work for someone who isn't rewarding you for bringing customers, then leave...owner will be sorry when your clients follow you. Just be good at whatever you do.
HIPPIE1255 2 months ago
@HIPPIE1255 Great point, thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 1 month ago
As an auto mechanic I only support myself, so I don't need the extra bucks gotten from side work, but for most mechanics with, say, a wife & 2 kids, oh, Mama! They GOTTA do side work, but like he says, be careful, vis-a-vis liability.
filthyphillyboy 2 months ago
@ETCG1 ITS A SHAME THAT SOOOO MANY PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE "GOOD" MECHANICS I WORK IN A DEALERSHIP 3 YEARS AGO WHERE THE SERVICE WRITER AND THE LEAD TECH HAD A SUSPICIOUS "BOND'. WHERE A SIMPLE OIL CHANGE WOULD TURN INTO A $275 ALINMENT AND TIE ROD END JOB..BUT THE TECH DIDNT REPLACE ANYTHING HE WOULD SPRAY P.B. BLASTER ON THE CURRENT TIE-ROD ENDS AND SEND THEM ON THEY WAY... I GUESS THATS WHY THAT CERTAIN TECH WAS TURNING 100 PLUS HRS.. A WEEK....ITS REALLY SAD!!!!!
2caliper 2 months ago
@ETCG1 thanks for responding i will take what you said into consideration, i just had a service call or a quote rather.. a lady called and ask for the labor on a 1999 acura 2.5l timing belt and water pump job, i told her that i will charge $125 for the work and provide a 2 year 25,000 mile warranty on my labor..she responded by saying."that sounds like alot ill shop around and call you back"....smh!!!! its a shame that when you are trying to help people they think you are ripping them off..
2caliper 2 months ago
hello eric i really enjoy your vids they were very helpful, i also do side work but i work a full-time non automotive job.. and i find it very hard to please people i give all my customers information on they car and charge a decent price with a reciept and a warranty on my work, i also show the problem and find a positive and right solution..my question is should i pick and choose my side work to stay safe???? i currently am a 8 year tech with brakes and suspension certs under my belt...
2caliper 2 months ago
@2caliper Good question. If you're going to do business run it like a business, what you're doing is 'favors' and you're either going to go broke or perhaps find yourself in a sticky situation one day. I would say decide if you want to do it as a business OR if you just want to help out your family and friends.
ETCG1 2 months ago
I love the intro music. What is it?
JackMacyntire 3 months ago
@JackMacyntire It's mine actually, glad you like it.
ETCG1 2 months ago
@ETCG1 What, music composer as well? Your talents know no bounds.
JackMacyntire 2 months ago
@JackMacyntire I think it's like that for anyone who wants to make an effort in something they feel passionate about. I don't consider myself overly talented but I do work hard.
ETCG1 2 months ago
another informative vid from the master. i do lots of sid work for friends and family and give lots of advice, none that would cause a problem or come back on me. but with friends and family there is a rate for them which alot of the time they think should be free or next to nothing, thats why i pick my side jobs. i have no problem helping, and small stuff is fine, but i don't like doing larger jobs for free. and sometimes they think its up to me to cover parts, little stuff is fine, thats it.
kenman1717 3 months ago
@kenman1717 It sucks being taken advantage of in any profession. Thanks for sharing your story.
ETCG1 2 months ago
i love how you actually read your comments and respond to the people you are trying to help. luv your vids and i learn alot from you thanks sincerely from a loyal viewer! with that said i wish you would change your intro music lol
NinjaNeglector 3 months ago
@NinjaNeglector It's getting harder and harder to keep up with comments if I'm honest and that makes me sad because I really enjoy the interaction I have with the people that watch my videos. You're in the minority on the music but I appreciate your opinion, thanks for your comment.
ETCG1 3 months ago
keep up the good work, although we may not agree on the side work issue I like your videos and wish you all the best in the future.
TheTreherne 4 months ago
@TheTreherne I don't mind the disagreement, it makes for good conversation. Thanks for your comment and for being reasonable.
ETCG1 4 months ago
I work at a BMW dealership with 30 hoists, its a huge shop. The great part about it is that I can bring in any side work I want after working hours as long as the vehicle I
bring in is a non BMW. That way they cannot look at it as taking money from their pockets.
360quickshot 4 months ago
@360quickshot Interesting policy, thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 4 months ago
Real talk.Great info as always Eric.Great info.
Chills327 5 months ago
@Chills327 Glad you liked it, thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 4 months ago
personally i don't think it is wrong taking work away from the business you're employed at. Consider this, if you were paid what you were worth and appreciated then you probably wouldn't do side work in the first place. I work for a big faceless P.L.C that looks at technicians that are just machines to be fed work. They don't treat people with respect and give very little. So in that case i think fuck them and i'll look after number one.
TheTreherne 5 months ago
@TheTreherne THAT is a bad attitude and unprofessional in my opinion. It may very well be that your employer is not appreciating you like they should but as they say "2 wrongs don't make a right" and in my opinion your just making things worse. It might be time to look for another place to work if things are that bad instead of putting yourself in a position where they can easily get rid of you.
ETCG1 4 months ago
@ETCG1 at the moment they need my skill level but i'm under no illusion that at the first chance they,d show me the door as i'm not a yes man. I have the same morals as you when it comes to fixing cars and making sure the custommer is happy. Personally i don't see how me making money on the side to support my family is wrong. I work hard and efficiently and over here in Britain the pay isn't particulary good. You may say two wrongs don't make a right but morals doesn't feed mouths.
TheTreherne 4 months ago
I'm a fan of "cake" work, as in fixing cars for baked goods. I only charge money if it's a big job... or if they're a bad cook.
RyanKnight97 6 months ago
@RyanKnight97 Cake sounds good right about now actually. Thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 6 months ago
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Here's a tip, DON'T BRING YOUR WORK HOME!! Leave shop customers in the shop and don't bring your home customers into the shop. Follow this simple rule you will be alright.
castigo617 6 months ago
Here's a tip, DON'T BRING YOUR WORK HOME!! Leave shop customers in the shop and don't bring your home customers into the shop. Follow this simple you will be alright.
castigo617 6 months ago
@castigo617 That's good policy, thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 6 months ago
good info eric u tell it how it is and u r a good guy lookn out for other people than urself
chevymechman91 6 months ago
@chevymechman91 Yea and it comes back to me 10 times over. Thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 6 months ago
I've done some side work for friends who are NOT customers of the shop I work for and I see no problem in doing that, however taking customers away from the shop you work for is wrong.
classicoutboards 7 months ago
@classicoutboards Agreed, thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 6 months ago
I've found that sidework often becomes way more of a headache then its worth. What often started as a simple problem turns into a real big one and freakin headache in the long run. One way I look at it is, depending on who is seeking your services on the side, these people arent having you do the job because they are really looking to spend any money. These same people are often gonna look for any way they can to totally EFF you over. So my recommendation is keep the sidework to family/friends
310stanger 7 months ago
@310stanger It certainly can turn into that. Thanks very much for your input.
ETCG1 7 months ago
@310stanger I agree 100% my friend.
castigo617 6 months ago
It's interesting to note the differences in employment practice between the US and the UK. Two things: 1 - technicians are employed on a contract. You can only be fired after two written warnings (subject to a trial period). So arbitrary firing is not normal. 2 - you are paid a wage irrelevant to 'hours' billed. Tax is deducted by the employer - but, if you do cash side work - you should still declare it to the tax people. I suspect there isn't much difference in how this is implemented!
davelowe1977 7 months ago
@davelowe1977 Interesting, thanks very much for weighing in on this I was hoping to hear from people outside the US. BTW how long are the 'contracts' usually for? Thanks again.
ETCG1 7 months ago
When I was a around 16, my mom's friend's husband was a mechanic and he offered to do some side work in replacing the timing belt on my 89 honda. He did it, charged me $500 and 3 months later my car was dead. He forgot to install a key in a pully and my new timing belt ripped appart. Because it was a friend of hers, I wasn't allowed to ask for my money back. I think that's why now as an adult, I'll tell my friends to just find a mechanic. It's a personal liability to fix a friend's car
captainvlog 7 months ago
@captainvlog That bites and is truly the worst case scenario when it comes to this topic. Thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 7 months ago
Thanks for the Vidd Eric im 17 and i detail and service peoples cars some friends and family. One thing i would have to say is dont incorporate your work with your family. My family has destroyed my reputation as a kidd that does grade A servicing on peoples cars. I have had everyone amazed on the quality of work i do but is a shame no one wants to come back after you mother yells at the costomer about the amount I (Me) charge. All i have to say is money can make people greedy.
SiRHumpAlot924 7 months ago
@SiRHumpAlot924 That is unfortunate, give it time though I'm sure things will get better especially if you get some schooling under your belt and become certified. Good luck.
ETCG1 7 months ago
NOT AT WORK!!!!!!
1967800 7 months ago
wow you really opened my eyes to looking at side work differently. Most of the people I do work for are told by me before hand that I am not a professional nor did I go to school for any training. I tell them ahead of time so they know the type of employer they just hired. I'm glad to say my outcome on side jobs has boosted people to recommend me to other friends. Before I work I research(vids,parts,tools needed) if it seems too much for me to handle I let the people know.
SinBeatz1 7 months ago
@SinBeatz1 I think it's good to take it seriously that way you stay out of trouble. Good luck and thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 7 months ago
That was a loud woodpecker hehe--but I have been getting some side work and I work as a video editor haha, go figure...but I have a solid trust between my friends and my ability to fix their car(s). The trickiest thing is getting quotes/cost. I also try to work slowly and methodically...but then that cuts into my time, and his/her time away from the car...
I just try to lay it all out there and say "I will do my best and fix it with the tools I have." Thoughts?
peelout40 7 months ago
@peelout40 Casual work is one thing but there comes a point where it becomes a business and I'm just advocating that it gets treated like one when you get to that point. As for how much to charge come up with an hourly rate you are comfortable with and go by Mitchell labor times.
ETCG1 7 months ago
@ETCG1 Ah, excellent :)
peelout40 7 months ago
how much does equipment & liability insurance cost monthly
Jmkinsey84 7 months ago
@Jmkinsey84 it depends on the (( location )) of the shop + if you want to be a registered NY state auto dealer they look at your solid & liquid assets - debt, your driving record and your credit score. I pay $950.00 per year but that covers garage liability and 2 dealer plates. most other small shops pay about $3000 per year
AdirondackNY 7 months ago
@Jmkinsey84 Depends on how much you get and where you get it, an insurance agent would be better qualified to answer that if I'm honest.
ETCG1 7 months ago
in NY if you are not registered with the state as a repair facility and you fix someones car and the inspector catches you it is a $1000 fine first offence.
AdirondackNY 7 months ago
@AdirondackNY I did not know that, thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 7 months ago
@AdirondackNY That's pretty crazy. I live in NY and there's some guy nearby that has a lawn sign advertising brake work and oil changes he does at his house. I wonder how much that rule is enforced.
rogersvids 7 months ago
@rogersvids I wonder if that only applies to inspection facilities.
ETCG1 7 months ago
@ETCG1 You're probably right. I didn't even think of that. In that case, I don't think that rule is so outrageous.
rogersvids 7 months ago
@ETCG1 it is anything automotive repair, state inspection, boat repair, auto & boat dealer, motor cycle, RV, ATVs, I know the laws because back in 1991 I got cought running an auto body repair shop in my garage at home, the inspector let me go because he saw I had more equipment then even the shop that turned me in also I knew what I was doing in that field. he also told me how to make it leagal and I did + since there is no zoneing in my town I opened an used car dealership as well.
AdirondackNY 7 months ago
@AdirondackNY Interesting, thanks very much for the update and clarification.
ETCG1 7 months ago
@rogersvids it is enforced only if someone turns him in. normaly when a customer has a problem or he digs into the profit of local shops they can call the inspector at the DMV and that is when it hits the fan. your neighbor might be a fantastic mechanic trying to stay afloat in these tough times but the law is there to protect the public from being ripped off by the ones that come & go.
AdirondackNY 7 months ago
As the new guy I never like sidework at the shop anymore after a bad experience that got me almost kicked out. I now only do side work that the other techs give me or help me with, because they have a better standing with the owner. Most of my sidework is now done at home because it is much more relaxed
TheDennyvu 7 months ago
@TheDennyvu Yea it can wreck your day if your not careful. Thanks for sharing your story and comment.
ETCG1 7 months ago
Solid advice here, Eric.
mazzmari 7 months ago
talking bout side work that happends on american hot rod mike curtis went to design wheels for ship foose on the side then got terminated when boyd found out
sscustoms100 7 months ago
@sscustoms100 I did not know about that but from what I've heard I'd rather work for Chip Foose.
ETCG1 7 months ago
Hello Eric. It's good and it feels great that you really care about us that way, and that you make this videos to warn us about potential dangers. Sometimes you are like a father for us. Thank you for everything Eric.
HK0HunterKiller 8 months ago
@HK0HunterKiller That is high praise indeed thank you. I do try to give the most useful information I can because nothing would disappoint me more than looking for information on how to solve a problem and getting bad information. Thanks very much for your comment.
ETCG1 7 months ago
I can tell you it works out like that for a lot of jobs I worked for NCR for 9.5 years and was hilgly computer and network trained I also in the job worked on million dollar
sorters that everbodys state income checks went thru , I was ask by the distric manager of Fleet bank to come and and do a PM on off time to save them 200k for doing it on time I refused so they tried to say I scroowed up the sorters when I worked on them it never fails coustomers do anything to save a buck.
ncrdisabled 8 months ago
@ncrdisabled That sounds a little more vindictive than "just saving a buck". It is unfortunate the world does work this way though. Thanks very much for your input and comment.
ETCG1 7 months ago
I appreciate you giving both sides of the story. Like you said, it’s a business.
JohnzCarz 8 months ago
@JohnzCarz Thank you, I agree it is a business and should be treated as such. Thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 8 months ago
lol your mom's sister in law is your aunt, i think
chillincruisin 8 months ago
@chillincruisin I think your right, amazing the crap that comes out of my mouth at times.
ETCG1 8 months ago
Before any tech school hands out a certificate, they should require them to watch this video. Im not joking. Between the two-faced dealership owners and the friends that whine "fix my car pleaaaaaaaaaase" but wont hesitate to bring a suite if something happens.
I asked alot earlier what the reason was at the dealership was you were let go and I appreciate ya making this vid.
pberglin 8 months ago
@pberglin Thanks I appreciate your comment. There will be better access to the information your looking for in the near future.
ETCG1 8 months ago
This is a great subject to speak on and share experiences. At my first job as a technician I ran into a similar problem. I did some side work not knowing it wasn't okay due to being new to the business. Guess I should have used a little more common sense and actually thought about it, but I didn't. They didn't fire me, but was told that I would be the last person to go to schools, the last person to get raises, etc.... Even described as, "the whore that I was to this company!" Be smart!
scottjhicks1 8 months ago
@scottjhicks1 Ahhh the politics of the workplace, gotta love it. Thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 8 months ago
Good advice.
Begbucks 8 months ago
Many years ago I had a problem with my Acura and took it to a shop to have it fixed. That shop was located close to home and in a pinch was good place to take cars to get work done. One day i saw that the shop was closed and it stayed closed. I found out that they closed because they had taken a customers cars out to another shop for special work and on the way the car got T-boned at a red light. The legal problems from that closed that shop and cost everyone who worked there their jobs.
moofushu 8 months ago
@moofushu Sounds like they didn't have insurance. I was out in a car myself once and was in an accident and totaled the car, the insurance paid for it and the guy got a new car, the shop stayed open.
ETCG1 8 months ago
Up here in Canada they have to have a good reason to fire you or they have to play severance pay. Working on the side would be one of them. Last year I told my boss to stick it where the sun don't sine, and was working the next day at a different shop. I had four job offfers in the next month. I ended up going be to work for my old boss and got a raise. Just remember as well that a good tec is hard to find, and if you have a good name you will never be out of work. ShawnCFarm
ShawnCFarm 8 months ago
@ShawnCFarm As you get older you may find that is not so much the case because with experience comes a price and the trend that I'm seeing is to move the older more experienced guys out to make room for younger 'cheeper' techs. Don't take your job for granted ever as it could go away at any time for the stupidest reasons, my life is testament to that.
ETCG1 8 months ago
@ETCG1 This is very ture. But where I live there is a shortage of any good tecs, but like you say its all about the bosses pocket. Like you at this point I just want to do my own thing. I would love to make youtube my full time job, because I love sharing the info with everyone and making videos. I always have fun.
ShawnCFarm 8 months ago
Speaking of taxes, there is a local exhaust shop that doesn't charge tax on their repairs and you have to pay in cash. I don't know how they get around it. People in town know about it, a co worker told me about it. They get tons of business too.
They do good work so i go there.
OnusofStrife 8 months ago
@OnusofStrife It's too bad because with a reputation like that they could do quite well if they stayed legit. Thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 8 months ago
@ETCG1 No doubt, must be why their location is in a weird spot that gets no drive-by traffic. This place is right down the street from my house and i've been within walking distance of this place for all my life and didn't even know it was their. I'm sure they would do better if they went legit.
OnusofStrife 8 months ago
I'm not a mechanic (I drive wrecker). but I find from 15 years experience of doing it, your best mechanics are the ones that strike out on their own, and get away from the "Big Box, Fix It All" stores and dealerships..
And yeah, I've been fired from a few jobs in the past too for various things. The folks who haven't been fired ever are the ones you need to worry about; their noses tend to be brown...
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jdouglasfisher 8 months ago
@jdouglasfisher I find that to be true myself in many cases but there are some dealerships (very rare) that have a good thing, just depends on the ownership I guess. Thanks very much for your comment.
ETCG1 8 months ago
What was the noise?
chriskni2000 8 months ago
@chriskni2000 They are doing some renovations upstairs.
ETCG1 8 months ago
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great tips thank you
pt59376 8 months ago
Sage advice for the pro.
There is another aspect, concerning those who are incompletely qualified. As an amateur, doing repairs on your own vehicles is usually fair game. But if an amateur works on somebody else's car, serious liability can rain down. I'll work on cars that I own, but I would never risk working on a friend's vehicle. Too much to lose....
spelunkerd 8 months ago
@spelunkerd That is a very good point, thanks for your comment.
ETCG1 8 months ago
I have the same problem at work, I work for a Landscape contracter and every so often I barrow equipment to work on families yards but I always watch what I'm doing and how often I do it because being a college student I need that job
fordfan855 8 months ago
Your Moms Sister in-law?? That be your Aunt right? LOL
midlantic1 8 months ago
@midlantic1 Yea I suppose it would.
ETCG1 8 months ago
Thanks for the sage advice. You are like my Cyber Uncle Eric full of Wisdom and totally helpful and watching out for us newbies! I love you, MAN!
MOREIRC 8 months ago
@MOREIRC I like that, thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 8 months ago
BUT im definatly not saying the garages that charge a reasonable rate do a bad job, you just have to find one with a good mechanic there - thats anouther topic to discuss on anouther video.
petergriffintubin1 8 months ago
im not saying charging a high labor rate is wrong, like everything in life you get what you pay for, it's just not affordable for some.
petergriffintubin1 8 months ago
Anouther great etcg1! I think this applies to many difrent jobs, but it really shows how average joe cant afford/wont spend $80+ an hour for labor. theres 10 shops in the small town i live in. 3 have high labor and stay buisy, but the old timer who charges 40 an hour gets so mutch buisness he contracts it out to two outher shops.
petergriffintubin1 8 months ago
The only thing I could think of throughout that entire video... That is a NICE engine hoist. Is it new?
TheUgster 8 months ago
@TheUgster Not really I just don't use it that often, you can see it being used in a few ETCG videos.
ETCG1 8 months ago
so the worst thing u can do is try convince company customers to be ur own. my view on side work is it should be on the side as in out of building. idc if u have to jack up cars and do it in the drive way but some stuff that cant be done. i would only bring in side work if u ask the guy that controls ur job and ask him if he doesnt mind. says no leave it as that
bikeordie666 8 months ago
@bikeordie666 I'm with you on that, thanks for the post.
ETCG1 8 months ago
The three rules of doing side work:
1. Don't do it on their premises; do it in your garage.
2. Only do side work OUTSIDE your working hours/days. I.e. Not during your lunch break.
3. Don't do it for THEIR customers.
If it is your mother-in-law, in your garage, on your day off... you should be in the clear.
NETWizzJbirk 8 months ago
@NETWizzJbirk Excellent points, thanks for posting.
ETCG1 8 months ago
So what was that banging noise?
MisterMattyMo 8 months ago
@MisterMattyMo They are doing some renovating upstairs.
ETCG1 8 months ago
great tips thank you
metalxesp 8 months ago
If it were me, I would have a huge garage at my house. CLOSE friends and family only. That and I would buy, fix, then sell junkers.
JTheGuitarPlayer 8 months ago
@JTheGuitarPlayer I'd love a huge garage at my shop too.
ETCG1 8 months ago
good video..... i always have thought about this as well. working on friends cars and whatnot. I work on larger diesel trucks so it is alittle different for me since we don't service cars at the shop but yah they don't let us bring in personal vehicles for any major repairs. just small stuff. but i hear yah on the liability stuff. i usually pick and choose what i will or won't do for someone on the side. often ill just say take it in somewhere instead.
Diesel1Dee 8 months ago
Excellent video Eric. Another thing from a consumer perspective that people should be aware of is that they may not have a leg to stand on if there is an issue. A lot of the work is often done cash in hand without proof or receipt. As a result, it can be hard to claim against someone if something goes wrong.
mattmanslim 8 months ago
@mattmanslim Good point, thanks for posting.
ETCG1 8 months ago
Sounds like MC Hammer came over for a visit whit his car in the shop because "U Can't Touch This!" LOL!
siemenstraffic 8 months ago
ERIC i have a small one bay shop with a full rise 2 post lift and i could not agree with you even more then what your wisdom.
eric your are a smart guy keep up the good work triple thumbs up bud
paul16731 8 months ago
I got fired for doing side work back in 1981 at the Mazda dealer. I had my own shop and I worked in it at night. The boss found out and I was out the door. It was the best thing that ever happened to me. It made me a stronger person and I learned not to depend on anyone but myself....
ncautoman57 8 months ago 15
@ncautoman57
in Romania(my country) they say this: any leg received in the ass is a step forward
marcopolotm 8 months ago
@marcopolotm True..
ncautoman57 8 months ago
@ncautoman57 Glad things worked out for you, sometimes what seems like the worst thing at the time can turn out to be the best thing in the end. Thanks for your comment.
ETCG1 8 months ago
Great advice Eric. Personally, I don't do side work anymore. The only people who I'll help is my immediate family and friends!
Marv968 8 months ago
The most common side work I tend to pull is brake jobs. Thing about that is, if that car crashes the next day and the brakes were found to be faulty, you are 100% liable. So, don't do "pad slaps". Do the whole thing right!
beefystik 8 months ago
Cool Eric
hp11208 8 months ago
Nine minutes of great info, It is a good warning for people that do sidejobs for the instant gratification of getting money in their pocket and not thinking about all the things you mentioned. Thanks, keep em coming. (videos)
greg197040 8 months ago
Hmmm, I wonder if my Craigslist mechanic carries liability insurance???
situationmoney 8 months ago
@situationmoney I'm thinkin not.
ETCG1 8 months ago
Absolutly true man. It's good to see you reminding us how business really is.
JesusLoveToSkate 8 months ago
Crazy man. Thanks for being up front & fairly open about your unfortunate past. Not that I need to say anything, but you know you're a smart hard working guy. I'll be a perm long time follow of yours. Can't wait to see what your future endeavours have in store!
fooey88 8 months ago 15
@fooey88 I appreciate that very much, thanks for the comment.
ETCG1 8 months ago
good advice thanks for the heads up
jbg2707 8 months ago
Great video and great advice
rich52490 8 months ago