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  • no one cares , and for those who care god will guide em.

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  • I really hate people who vote based on religion. How stupid can you get? That holds with Atheism as well. Is someone trustworthy, smart and a good politician if they're atheist? Hell no. What if they're Christian? Hell no. The world isn't black and white though it seems everyone trys to make it out that way.

    The bottom line is that Gillard is competent, Abbot is incompetent and every major party is incompetent. The Chasers put it well and elegantly during the last election: "They're all Fucked"

  • that fat prick on the end (whoever he is) is not even close to intelligent enough to be on this panel. The idea that people should be told who to vote!? Sounds like fascism to me.

  • women in power is awesome

  • julia gillard Australias answer to the taliban

  • Gotta love Julia Gillard, making australia a better place

  • JULIA GILLARD DOESN'T WANT TO IMPROVE AUSTRALIA, SHE'S ABSOLUTELY DESTROYING THE PLACE.

  • @Soundgarden8497 pics or it didn't happen

  • @Moppy1988 you're a retard

  • theoreticalphysics.webs.com shows logic is god

  • @paginipro lol, you mean flawed logic is god?

  • @Moppy1988 nonono I mean god is logic itself if you know the right definition of logic

  • @paginipro logic relies on evidence, there is no evidence for any god or gods

  • @Moppy1988 you're right there but the notion of god as logic is the right definition of god

  • @paginipro How so? Logic is logic, call it god if you want, but I don't see how that is a useful definition... it is still logic.

  • Only Atheists should be in political office. Then is it only possible to be unbiased and democratic. It doesn't mean they don't acknowledge that religious institutions exist. Government should represent all.

  • She might be an atheist but she is quite willing to sell reason up the river by allowing chaplains in state/public schools instead of youth workers and giving them unprecedented access to high school students. She has been completely bought off by the religious lobby who actually have more control over education in this country than when even the conservation Liberal party was in power. She is a snake in the grass who has completely undermined her 'education revolution' by dealing with churches

  • who cares if she is an atheist or not, i still can't stand her.

  • @noirkitten Sorry I'm not comparing gays to animals, I'm simply using the natural animal kingdom free of the effects of society and conscious intelligence and other human influences to demonstrate that homosexuality is normal.

    I'm not trying to imply anything else just to be clear. I don't know why so many people CARE about other people's sexual preferences as long as it's consensual.

  • Australia has just re-earned the status of "the lucky country" when Julia made history by not only becoming the 1st female PM, but won an election after uttering 4 simple words, "I am an atheist". It will be a shame when we, as a country, blow this opportunity to a guy that thinks the earth is a few thousand years old, Noah repopulated the world through incest & fit 2 of every animal and DINOSAURS in his special boat technology, a guy that wouldn't be alone at Graylands Mental Health facility.

  • @kramasop I will say this I believe in god but unlike the conservatives and the family first party I respect my friends and comrades right to follow a different religion or not even believe at all and Gillard is not our first agnostic PM.

  • @kramasop I don't care that Gillard is an atheist, but it's a shame she's such a lousy prime minister. As for being a woman, it would have been nice had she been voted in. Sadly, she wasn't. She took the position through backroom dealing. Think about all that she denied her country by doing that. From now to the end of time, the first female Australian prime minister will have entered the lodge undemocratically. That will never change. A milestone that would have been meaningful, stolen from us.

  • @RoboDouche did she win her seat, does she have the confidence of the house, is she the leader of her party. All of the answers to those questions is yes, which means she is the PM no ifs or buts, democracy just means rule by the people and thats what the parliament is.

  • what?? In my book being religious just shows that you are gullible and weak minded.

  • Neither Hawke or Witlam beleived in God. Gillards just taken the next step.

    If she said i don't beleive in evolution then id have problems.

  • Religion is not the ruler and there is no religion that will ever get my vote as it has no right in this world so bring peace or fight because we were here well before religion so smoke that you fuckers of the world . ( don't bogart that joint my friend. )

  • omg lol i had no idea that Julia was an atheist, that's that Julia for prime minister over that neanderthal puppet abbot Australians president bush

  • Yay! A declared Atheist in power. Grats Australia!

    That comment about parishioners not being able to tell the congregation to vote for an Atheist. WTF is the Clergy doing trying to influence voters??? Oh yeah, the truth comes out. Religion is a political system designed to control people. And nothing more.

    We may have needed religion before Science discovered how things ACTUALLY work but we don't need it now. People need to know what's going on and God fills the gaps but those gaps are gone

  • @warren52nz "We may have needed religion before Science discovered how things ACTUALLY work "

    Science cannot answer the why question, only the how.

    And for people , the why is more important in everyday life.

    Science cannot quantify love without turning into incohherent babble.

  • @jonesgerard But religion can't answer the question of love either. And anyway, that's not Science's mission, that's more like social studies.

    Although a Behavioural Biologist would tell you that in a social animal, feelings of attraction between sexual partners helps ensure a stable environment for bringing up offspring and when that takes 18 years, it has to be a strong bond. Throw a huge brain into that mix and you get "love".

  • @warren52nz

    God is love.

    "Throw a huge brain into that mix and you get "love".

    You get eros, not agape.

  • @jonesgerard "God is love"

    No, God is ABSENT. Don't you ever wonder why God NEVER makes an appearance? Even though in the Bible He does it all the time?

    Atheists know why this is.... God is imaginary and the Bible is just a story book.

    When you dump the religious baggage, the whole world suddenly makes sense.

    Why did 7 kids from Elim Christian School get washed away to their deaths by a flash flood? No it wasn't because God wanted then in heaven early. It was pure bad luck. See?

  • @warren52nz In your life God is absent.

    "Why did 7 kids from Elim Christian School get washed away to their deaths by a flash flood?"

    Because they got washed away in a flood.

    I was atheist and life only started to make sense when I became willing to believe in god.

  • @jonesgerard "Because they got washed away in a flood"

    So God just decided to confiscate these devout Christian children their lives?

    Yeah, that makes sense.

    I think if God exists He's an asshole yet I'm still here.

    Which particular thing didn't make sesne to you as an Atheist?

  • @warren52nz "So God just decided to confiscate these devout Christian children their lives?"

    God doesn't "take" anyone, he accepts them back.

    Your concept of God isn't serving you well except for rejection, thats a trick the ego pulls on you.

    The thing that didn't make sense to me was my thinking,

    its the same as your thinking.

    I wouldn't believe in your God either.

  • @jonesgerard "he accepts them back"

    Well if the afterlife is better than life then why not just commit suicide? 8^)

    "I wouldn't believe in your God either."

    If this is a reference to Atheism being a religion then you're just being silly. God is supernatural and Atheism has no supernatural beliefs. There's no faith involved.

    It's just that I CARE if my beliefs are true so I demand evidence for them.

    And nothing in human history has failed more profoundly than religion in providing evidence.

  • @warren52nz Suicide isn't acceptible because its the ultimate act of selfishness.

    Thou shall not kill includes self murder.

    All atheists cling to a concept of God that no-one would accept.

    Letting go of that old idea isn't a simple thing, ego don't go down easy.

  • @jonesgerard "All atheists cling to a concept of God that no-one would accept."

    ATHEISM: A lack of belief in God

    So my concept of God is the same as my (and yours probably) concept of Santa Claus. I don't think I'd have much problem finding people that would accept my belief that Santa Claus doesn't exist? Why? Because the story's preposterous and there's no evidence for Santa.

    Exactly the same for God.

    If he wants to pay me a visit, I'll change my mind. Not holding my breath though.

  • @warren52nz No your concept of God isn't even close to santa, santa isn't an asshole who kills people. But yours is.

    Your concept is the one that was rejected 2000 yrs ago, its the old angry punishing vengeful God.

    All atheists do that.

    They all do it because the root cause is the same, its the ego.

    Thats your invisible freind.

  • @jonesgerard Well I guess we're done here.

    Sorry we can't agree. Just try not to get in the way of Science will ya? Americans are already so far behind thanks to the anchor of religion it would be a shame to do any more damage. While you should be racing off into the future, Americans are standing around arguing whether or not EVOLUTION even exists for Christ's sake! It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

  • @warren52nz Evolution is not an issue, if you want to argue with creationists thats your problem.

  • @warren52nz

    hahaha, Americans are far behind? Considering they lead the world in technology, medicine, telecommunications, entertainment and military might - where does that put us?

  • @TaqiyyaExposer "Americans are far behind?"

    Americans are FALLING behind rapidly. They've been at the head of technology for decades but they're falling part. Economically, socially, morally, it's just sickening.

    Here's my prediction. China will lead the space race in about 10 years and will never look back. They currently have a vehicle on its way to Venus.

    While the USA is wallowing in crippling debt, China built a technology expo the size of a city that cost around $50 BILLION !

  • @warren52nz

    Sigh... The space race finished in 1969, and yet China are just entering. You must be the stupidest person on earth, and by an impressive margin.

    Tell me, how many Chinese people live on less than two dollars a day?

    I know the answer so do not bother lying.

  • @TaqiyyaExposer Uh, you think getting to the moon was the end of the space race? Have you always been a limited thinker or is it something you picked up later in life?

    You mark my words, whatever the circumstances for the average person over there, China is going to leave the USA in the dust.... already has in many many ways. Look at where everything you own was made for a start.

    China is in an economic boom, the recession was barely noticed and America CAUSED the recession!

  • @warren52nz

    You see, you state things that you wish to be true but that i know not to be true. China suffered very heavy in the GFC, which as you say, America caused. And yes the space race completely finished after the moon landing, and nails went in the coffin as the Soviets collapsed. Remember the Soviets? The last useless red shithole that you liberals desperately wanted to overtake America? Failed. China made my stuff? So did Indonesia, is it too overtaking America? LOL, get a haircut.

  • @TaqiyyaExposer Time will tell. America's days of being "Number 1" are almost over I bet.

    Today Obama passed legislation allowing Gays in the military to declare their sexuality.

    Welcome to 1980.

  • @warren52nz

    America's days of being number one are not over, they never will be over, what is more likely is that they will integrate others into their power, forming a world government. This is what they plan, this is what the EU is part of, which by the way is the only other economic entity which fits the criteria of a superpower. It is in fact more wealthy than America, the difference is that the name is misleading, they are not in union, France and Germany? Not after WW2, not happening.

  • @warren52nz "When you dump the religious baggage"

    You don't need religion to believe in God.

    As no-one can fully define the nature of God its better to form your own concept based upon attributes that make sense to you, its no-one elses business.

  • @jonesgerard " its better to form your own concept"

    I agree that religion often turns faith into a bad thing so I have more respect for your view.

    Still, I see no evidence for God. You may look around and be amazed at the complecity of life and the way everything fits together but Science has worked out how it happened in exquisite detail and there's nothing supernatural about it.

    Like Douglas Adams said, a pothole isn't designed to be the perfect shape for the puddle in it. Get it?

  • @warren52nz "I see no evidence for God. "

    You will never see objective proof for the very subjective.

    Proving creationistas wrong doesn't lead to other proofs other than they are wrong and thats all.

    To me, God creating man isn't about ribs ,arms and legs,

    its about our mind, our mental life.

    Thats the only place you will find God, its always within.

    When God speaks, its like an idea or inspiration.

    And its easy to differentiate between Him and me.

    I'm all about me me me.

  • @jonesgerard Well not to be too unkind but you're right, delusions ARE from within the mind (and no where else). You see everything adds up if your an Atheist. Do you believe the Koran is the word of God? Millions do and they defend it the same way you defend the Bible; with warm fuzzy feelings. A few Gods

    "A"

    Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu,An, Anansi, Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artemis, Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, Atlas...

  • @warren52nz No the koran contains too much of Mohamed.

    He failed to filter himself out and it was rejected in his lifetime by the hebrews.

    " the same way you defend the Bible"

    Where have I mentioned the bible, you are the only one to do that.

  • @jonesgerard "Where have I mentioned the bible"

    I see you're American so I guessed you were Christian. Which book do you follow then?

  • @warren52nz I was born in Manchester, UK.

    God isn't found in a book, it only happens within.

    It doesn't happen by accident, only when self is sufficiantly removed can God be accesed.

    A God who reveals himself objectively as you want , only makes an idol of God and that goes against free will.

    That would fit the muslim concept that we are slaves to God, slaves have no free will.

  • @warren52nz "You see everything adds up if your an Atheist."

    Everything your ego lets you see.

    It doesn't let you see that you cling to a concept of God that only a lunatic would agree with.

    You can thank your invisible freind for that.

  • @jonesgerard 470 religions (and counting).

    And now, all of the scientific theories about how all the species we see on Earth got here:

    1. Evolution.

    Period. When you have evidence, you tend to home in on the truth and there's a general consensus on what's really happening.

    So 470 religions, ONE theory of speciation. I'll go with the latter.

    As Einstein said, if there are two theories the simpler one will be correct. And there's nothing more complicated than conjuring up a being like God

  • @warren52nz

    Pray to your Lord Dawkins

  • @warren52nz

    You're a fagot, soon you and your pathetic ilk will be aligned against a wall and fired upon.

  • @TaqiyyaExposer Thanks for the ad hominem and (misspelled) attack. 8^)

    I really hope you're right, I'd rather have a properly working Capitalist democracy running leading than a Communist, over-bearing government in charge. However, I don't know that Americans are less violent than China. Look at your hateful, aggressive response to me pointing out that homophobia is an outdated concept.

    How many wars has China started? Compare that with the number started by red neck, bible thumping You Alls

  • @warren52nz

    Well, tell me? I would posit that China has started about 50 times more. Though i am not American, but i'm glad to see you liberals haven't forgot how to generalize completely.

    Fagot has one g, i will slit a throat if i need explain that to another fool.

    America lone superpower, how many countries has it absorbed since earing the title? None, absolutely none. Why they could take Canada, or Japan, or ANY country, but they don't. Even when they're at war, they keep no land.

  • @TaqiyyaExposer OK, I made enough mistakes to give you this one. Faggot is spelled both ways I've discovered. I never use the word myself because homosexuality is normal, gay marriage is even legal here.

    I think you should seek counselling for your anger issues though. 8^P

  • @warren52nz

    Homosexuality is not normal. Tell me ONE benefit to having fags in your country.

  • @TaqiyyaExposer I'm not really interested in having a discussion with an angry, homophobic racist but the numbers speak for themselves. You can't call something so common abnormal. Homosexuality exists in most animals too. It's perfectly normal, it just doesn't cause procreation.

    Now pull your head in you NAZI !!!

  • @TaqiyyaExposer Normalcy is not judged by beneficial effects, you bigoted fool. "Normal" is as nature does, and homosexuality is prevalent in nature in ALL sexual species. So it is quite normal. Now, go read your bible and work at the autoparts plant, civilized people are trying to watch a video here.

  • @lebannerfan65

    WOW, have you reread our entire correspondence since your last post? You sound like a complete moron, are you still saying homosexuality is acceptable because of its prevalence in nature and human history? If so, you MUST admit that killing gays is also acceptable, as is plundering villages and raping and murdering all within, right? As you said, normalcy is not judged by beneficial effects.

    People like you are common, but far from normal.

  • @warren52nz It really shouldn't matter who's in power. We shouldn't be celebrating whether she's an atheist, a Christian or whatever...all that matters is whether she's a good politician

  • @mongoliancarrot An Atheist isn't a belief system, it just means you don't believe in God. that's a good thing. People who believe in God can do bad things and THINK they're doing good. Like 9/11 bombers, like Bush saying God told him to go into Iraq. No Atheist would do things like that!

  • @warren52nz True, no atheist would use religion to justify what they were doing, but it doesn't excuse them from doing stupid things. I find religion to be mostly a scapegoat for peoples faults. They use it to grab power, to be greedy and to outpour their hatred. At the end of the day, you'd probably find their beliefs weren't even sincere. I doubt Stalin believed in true communism, only power, or Harold Camping believes the worlds ending. Don't blame religion, blame the people responsible.

  • @mongoliancarrot "Don't blame religion, blame the people responsible"

    Good point, I agree. 8^)

  • @mongoliancarrot

    "I find religion to be mostly a scapegoat for peoples faults"

    - perhaps in some cases but the fact it motivates and incites atrocity is undeniable, the same cant be said of atheism.

  • Or are we just at some point that determines all faiths as equidistant as atheism from any known or unknown truth for the foreseeable future?

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