No.. I have not had any problems.. Is this what happened to that other cell? Port erosion ???? If this was the case then the gaskets were not positioned correctly or they moved during assembly to expose the raw edge of the ports....Weldon 16 seems to me would reduce some critical assembly factors....
The next cell I will be doing is a High Pressure, High voltage design...and i may utilize the Weldon 16 during the assembly..
Also the cell was orginally designed for a 24 volt operation, but by relocating the electrical connection points and cell Membrane panel reconfiguration can also be a 12 volt version. Here again option for the end user!
Have you considered using a pump to increase the movement across the plates on the Hydrogen side? It maybe that a similar pump is required on the Ox side- the pump may need its speed / output controlled. The water supply would need to be independent for each side.
The basic answer to this is Options with the cell design. All connections all most zero flow resistances, thusly allowing the cel to breathe, During the design phase of this cell I was looking at test points as well as options for connection points for application.
In the video "8X8 up and running" the cell operation effeiciency was 97% of faraday with the dual porting, so the balance of the is for convience for the end user.
Bill, it the diagram of this cell, you show 4 hose connectors on each end plate. This means 8 hose connectors total. However, in this video, I see that you have the electrolyte flowing into bottom of one end plate via 2 connections and the gas flowing out of the two top connections on the other plate. You have the remainder of those connectors blocked off? Why put them in and not use them?
@GULFCOASTCLEANENERGY It depends on how the cell is configured, 2N6 is designed to operate at 13.5 volts. The cell can also be confiured to operate at 26 volts.
It important to maintain a specific set point voltage.
I have seen the cells with two lines but not this split cell 4 lines. How is the cell splitting the HHO? I could see how this would help with the O2 sensor issues. You have 3 flash bubblers? Any idea's on how to compress for say a bbq? Thats great info thanks.
Great design vipond50! What kind of membrane material do you use, in one of the video's you mention fabric? I'm busy with replicating one like the Australian guy's did, which is in fact the same technique you use. I get no results because of the wrong membranes that I used. I used plastic with tiny holes and chamois leather. The material must be stiff or well glued like you do and may not causing leaking from the gases. Creating nice separated chambers.
@knovos I built one and did a test using black landscaping fabric you can get at Lowes or Home Depot and had great results. I thought I had 316L ss plates, but must be 304 because the last plate before oxygen exited, that pure oxygen made deep oxidation marks in it and I had about a teaspoon of red sludge in the bottom. I did get good separation though!
Aaa... The gas results are the same as the series cell. This is a series cell, but with Sep panels installed. so for total out put 6 liters/ min @ 65 amps. An additional difference it take two volumetric readings i.e Oxygen and the Hydrogen...
Very nice Bill. Do you have plans to store the pure hydrogen? It would be extremely interesting to see a splitter cell powered by the sun with the capacity to store the energy for multiple uses. If we could somehow lower the amp draw. Thanks for sharing.
The cell in the recent video is a very large cell orginally design for the Large Truck Diesel market so the amps draws can be large to produce the gas needed. A smaller version i.e. 5X5 cell will run all day at 10 to 20 amps producing almost a liter/minute.
That version would be more applicable to small solar setups.
How large of a Solar supply system do you have available?
@vipond50 I am currently working toward a 5 Kw system for my home. I am building these panels myself. Little by little until I have enough to satisfy my electrical needs. I love the thought of the separator cell and the endless possibilities that it offers the average Joe like myself. It wouldn't have to be a large system at all. If it was a solar set-up with low amps, it could fill tanks all day long. Just an awesome way to go in my opinion.
Have you tryed weldon 16 on the holes?
H2fromHHOinfo 6 days ago
@H2fromHHOinfo
Hi
No.. I have not had any problems.. Is this what happened to that other cell? Port erosion ???? If this was the case then the gaskets were not positioned correctly or they moved during assembly to expose the raw edge of the ports....Weldon 16 seems to me would reduce some critical assembly factors....
The next cell I will be doing is a High Pressure, High voltage design...and i may utilize the Weldon 16 during the assembly..
Bill
vipond50 6 days ago
@vipond50 I was just asking cus hhopwr used it with ruf sanding and had good luck with it.
H2fromHHOinfo 6 days ago
Bill, any update on the plans to build a spectrameter? Your work is greatly appreciated!
IndianaBoys 1 month ago
Also the cell was orginally designed for a 24 volt operation, but by relocating the electrical connection points and cell Membrane panel reconfiguration can also be a 12 volt version. Here again option for the end user!
Bill
vipond50 8 months ago
@vipond50 Great work Bill stimulating!
Have you considered using a pump to increase the movement across the plates on the Hydrogen side? It maybe that a similar pump is required on the Ox side- the pump may need its speed / output controlled. The water supply would need to be independent for each side.
swompwalker 5 months ago
Hi
The basic answer to this is Options with the cell design. All connections all most zero flow resistances, thusly allowing the cel to breathe, During the design phase of this cell I was looking at test points as well as options for connection points for application.
In the video "8X8 up and running" the cell operation effeiciency was 97% of faraday with the dual porting, so the balance of the is for convience for the end user.
Bill
vipond50 8 months ago
Bill, it the diagram of this cell, you show 4 hose connectors on each end plate. This means 8 hose connectors total. However, in this video, I see that you have the electrolyte flowing into bottom of one end plate via 2 connections and the gas flowing out of the two top connections on the other plate. You have the remainder of those connectors blocked off? Why put them in and not use them?
fathershand 8 months ago
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fathershand 8 months ago
what is the max voltage that can be put into these cells?
GULFCOASTCLEANENERGY 1 year ago
@GULFCOASTCLEANENERGY It depends on how the cell is configured, 2N6 is designed to operate at 13.5 volts. The cell can also be confiured to operate at 26 volts.
It important to maintain a specific set point voltage.
Bill
vipond50 1 year ago
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I have seen the cells with two lines but not this split cell 4 lines. How is the cell splitting the HHO? I could see how this would help with the O2 sensor issues. You have 3 flash bubblers? Any idea's on how to compress for say a bbq? Thats great info thanks.
scrosley007 1 year ago
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scrosley007 1 year ago
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Watch the rest of the videos and that will show you how it spits the two gas and keeps them separated.
Bill
vipond50 1 year ago
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scrosley007 1 year ago
Great design vipond50! What kind of membrane material do you use, in one of the video's you mention fabric? I'm busy with replicating one like the Australian guy's did, which is in fact the same technique you use. I get no results because of the wrong membranes that I used. I used plastic with tiny holes and chamois leather. The material must be stiff or well glued like you do and may not causing leaking from the gases. Creating nice separated chambers.
knovos 1 year ago
@knovos I built one and did a test using black landscaping fabric you can get at Lowes or Home Depot and had great results. I thought I had 316L ss plates, but must be 304 because the last plate before oxygen exited, that pure oxygen made deep oxidation marks in it and I had about a teaspoon of red sludge in the bottom. I did get good separation though!
duaynedoright 1 year ago
Nice work,,,
Can't wait to see your gas results.
whiterican74 1 year ago
@whiterican74
Hi White
Aaa... The gas results are the same as the series cell. This is a series cell, but with Sep panels installed. so for total out put 6 liters/ min @ 65 amps. An additional difference it take two volumetric readings i.e Oxygen and the Hydrogen...
Hope that answers your questions.
Bill
vipond50 1 year ago
Very nice.
Larry
HHOPWR 1 year ago
@HHOPWR
Thanks Larry
vipond50 1 year ago
Can't wait to see how your spectrometer works out!
EletrikRidesAgain 1 year ago
@EletrikRidesAgain
Working on it today, just came to take a break...
vipond50 1 year ago
Very nice Bill. Do you have plans to store the pure hydrogen? It would be extremely interesting to see a splitter cell powered by the sun with the capacity to store the energy for multiple uses. If we could somehow lower the amp draw. Thanks for sharing.
jab0805 1 year ago
@jab0805
The cell in the recent video is a very large cell orginally design for the Large Truck Diesel market so the amps draws can be large to produce the gas needed. A smaller version i.e. 5X5 cell will run all day at 10 to 20 amps producing almost a liter/minute.
That version would be more applicable to small solar setups.
How large of a Solar supply system do you have available?
Bill
vipond50 1 year ago
@vipond50 I am currently working toward a 5 Kw system for my home. I am building these panels myself. Little by little until I have enough to satisfy my electrical needs. I love the thought of the separator cell and the endless possibilities that it offers the average Joe like myself. It wouldn't have to be a large system at all. If it was a solar set-up with low amps, it could fill tanks all day long. Just an awesome way to go in my opinion.
jab0805 1 year ago
@jab0805
Yep, That's the avenue I headed towards also..... as you can see by my channel, Solar electrical power, solar heating, wind power, I like options.
Bill
vipond50 1 year ago
Bill......thanks again for sharing! I have got to try this and see what my Ford Expedition does on straight hydrogen!!
duaynedoright 1 year ago
@duaynedoright
Thanks Duayne
Yes I would very interested in the results..along with every one else... If I can assist..Drop me a line
Bill
vipond50 1 year ago
Looks Like John and i can cook you a BBQ now mate hehe, looks like a million buck Bill, thanks so much for posting
ashtweth 1 year ago
@ashtweth Thanks
Hmmm ....I got an old Gas BBQ.. I'll try it an let you know.
Bill
vipond50 1 year ago