How do you know God didn't want robots? How the FUCK can YOU make such a claim? Do u think you can just make stuff up? Oh yeah I forgot.YOU ALWAYS DO! The entire bible is made by someone who wanted attention. Priests now just have the authority to "pile on" to the story however they damn well please. Grow a pair for fuck sakes. CAI NA REAL! Face facts, if you are a priest you are wasting your life away and your living off all the people who work their asses off. People who have REAL jobs.
@4lifecopt-If you were an all-mighty, all-powerful divine being, I believe you would not have sit idly by while thousands of little girls cried out for help every day for the past several thousand years to save them from forcibly having their genitals cut off. I believe you wouldn't allow tsunamis to wipe out hundreds of thousands of innocent people & destroy vast infrastructures. Why do people excuse God from such heinous behavior? The point is...these things happen because God doesn't exist.
@enuggett Whatever God does is for our own good, but he can not force our will, you obviously didn't catch the message, because the things people do towards these girls are from their own will, and they go against God's will by causing suffering for other people. And according to the other part, God is endlessly wise, and we can not understand his ways because we are but human.
@kapeoow Free will is a cop out. But I'll let you have it if that is what you need in order to make sense of divine inactivity. (I do wonder, though, if free will is so sacred to god, why he bothered opening and closing wombs, parting seas, sending plagues, talking through donkeys, sending chariots of fire, etc.) But free will doesn't answer catastrophes and natural disasters that have nothing to do with free will. If you were god, would you send a tsunami to kill hundreds of thousands?
@kapeoow And what do you make of God commanding all the Amalekites to be killed--men, women & children? What do you make of God saying it is ok to beat your slaves as long as they are able to get up & walk within two days? What do you make of God saying that a reasonable solution to having been raped is for the victim to marry her rapist? What do you make of God saying disobedient children should be killed? I could keep going, but you get the idea. Those are God's commands, HIS choices!
@enuggett you should read the book "Is God a moral monster?" I forgot who it's by but it's pretty good. Im agnostic and i had a lot of those kind of thoughts especially with old testament laws, but it changed my view completley.
@enuggett whaddaya wanna say with that? Do you wanna say that God is evil? Are you questioning his actions? Do you wanna say you could do it better at his position?
Or do you wanna say that God doesn't exist? Then it would be so, that all these bad things are happening because we are bad.
The secound is partially right: We human are bad, since we are acting evil as you can see in this world. But, God does exist and he hates evil. Who said that God said a raped woman shall marry her rapist?...
@enuggett ...u should question, what the sence of the bible is; u should read it to figure it out but above all, u get to know God. You get to understand, that there is no other way than God has chosen it for this world. You will notice that this is the best way, because God has chosen it. You will get that everything he's doing has a good background, even if it doesn't seem to be so at the 1st sight. You shouldn't forget;we're just human with a restricted mind; God's mind is different than ours
Second, even if we were to allow the necessity of freewill for happiness, God could have created humans with freewill who did not have the ability to choose evil, but to choose between several good options.
First, if God is omnipotent, then the assumption that freewill is necessary for happiness is false. If God could make it a rule that only beings with freewill may experience happiness, then he could just as easily have made it a rule that only robots may experience happiness. A perfect and omnipotent God who creates beings capable of ruining their own happiness is impossible.
loved the video but i disagree with one thing.. it presents God like if Hes not almigthy. "Square circle" "One ended stick" Shows like if he couldnt change the opinion of someone. God is powerfull.He can do everything but He do it in the most loving strategy: with freedom, So.. He comes to us not in our human way,but with signals of love and if we dont accept them. He let us choose, but subtly He firmly insists patiently all our life until we realize the truth of love or finally despise Him.
What about earthquakes, tsunamis, volcano eruptions, etc? natural catastrophes do not depend on us, yet they bring suffering to the world. if god exists, which seems implausible, then hes either incompetent or a spoiled brat.
This is amazing. Quite possibly one of the best videos I have ever seen. Down to the point, beautifully animated and so clean. I applaud you. And slightly envy you, but in a good way. The kind of way that means I am inspired by you. God bless.
Nice animation, false and incorrect message. Please don't rely on a higher power for giving us a moral conscience and ethics system. It is wrong and very offensive to the nature of the human race. Freedom is a birthright which many people have fought for (and still are fighting for) and it is certainly not a gift from a higher power...
@sisseloe This is not a false or incorrect message. It is a belief that cannot be proved just like your statement: "it is certainly not a gift from a higher power" is also your belief which cannot be proved. And you have the right to believe it without someone calling it false, just like I have the right to believe the opposite if I wish without being called incorrect. Because nobody can actually prove which is correct. That's the point of faith. Otherwise faith would be logically impossible. ;)
@amsaric I beg to differ. Firstly, if you want to believe, that's your own choice (if you're not harming anybody else). On the other hand, an opinion and a belief is to be argumented with rational arguments and/or evidence for it to make sense. Religion in all fairness hardly makes sense. Simply believing it because it's your right, can be logically probable, but still incorrect. If no one can prove faith, religion should back out of scientific discussions too.
@sisseloe Religion is a group of cultural traditions based on a community's faith that developed throughout the ages. It is connected to faith, but is not at all the same thing.
Faith is a belief. To be a part of a religion you do not need to believe. Atheism is also a belief. Faith that there is no God. Just like Theism, it cannot be proved, it can only be interpreted and felt.
The day when Theism will be false is when somebody proves there absolutely cannot be a God.
@amsaric Interesting thought, but I disagree. Atheïsm is based upon a conclusion that is derived from numerous empirical facts. Relgion is based upon... well, 99% fiction and speculation, actually. This video for instances appears to be 'logical' but uses no empirical evidence whatsoever. In fact, it raises more questions. Science (or atheism if you will) aims to find an explanation, religion (any) just raises more questions.
@sisseloe I agree, theism raises more questions (NOT religion, I am taking about faith, here, not a group of cultural norms) like the purpose of life. It also finds more answers to these questions. Scientifically speaking, whatever your belief is, questions arise because the Universe is simply too big, complex and detailed to not wonder about everything.
I disagree with your stats, though. Faith is experienced through a set of emotions that exist solely for spirituality. Every human has them.
The arguement of blaming suffering and evil on humans abusing their free will is flawed. It fails because not all suffering comes about because of human actions. Natural disasters, diseases and such exist in nature, apart from human control ,and are not made by human will or actions.
There may be a way to reconcile a good God with evil and suffering, but it is certainly not found in this video.
Hmm. Free will. Choice. Before you can make a true, personal choice, you should be informed. If "god" really didn't want robots, but wanted people to choose him freely, he would have given them knowledge of good and evil in the first place, instead of putting it within their grasp and telling them no. By doing this, he kept them dependent on him for such knowldege, limiting their choices and free will considerably.
@eyesofblue217 He gave us the knowledge of good and evil... One thing is to try them and the other is the knowledge...Thats why He said "NO" because He knew it wasnt good for us..he LOVES us above all, he dont wanted us to suffer (is like you love your children, and you tell them not to use guns, of course they have the freedom to use them but you are not going to give them a shot) But we wanted to try it .Now we are dependant but not from God(who is love and freedom), evil wants the opposite
A thought came to mind: The video starts with a bird being struck by lightning, which I interpret as an illustration of suffering caused by nature, something we often witness on the news. The video does not follow up on this aspect of suffering, but rather focuses on suffering caused by mankind's sinful nature. I wonder if this was left out on purpose.
@parsifal335 - Excellent observation! No, that wasn't on purpose - it's an inconsistency in the message of the piece. I must have had too much coffee - I dunno. I do think that natural evil (lightning bolts, etc) find their ultimate origin in man's rebellion against his Maker. But this piece does not explore that aspect of the problem of evil. Maybe that will be the subject of another animation... anyways, thanks for your comment! I have lots to learn on this subject...
Smack! Instantly shared on Facebook. Extraordinarily well composed and explained. You've managed to boil it down to the simple truths, which are usually so hard to explain. Great animation, as well.
@wilsonfilho7 Im sorry to answer here..but this answer goes to everyone who wrote things about the "freedom with limits" earthquakes, "one ended stick" . God is powerfull. He can do everything, but the beauty of love and freedom is to choose. God doesnt care about the material, illnesses, lives so much as the souls. What we are living are the consequenses of our acts, He doesnt want us to suffer, but he allows them to happen to make people see they are loosing theirselves and open the eyes. .
If you only want to say bad things about God, then go do it somewhere else. Cause God is AWESOME!
marenfo93 3 months ago
How do you know God didn't want robots? How the FUCK can YOU make such a claim? Do u think you can just make stuff up? Oh yeah I forgot.YOU ALWAYS DO! The entire bible is made by someone who wanted attention. Priests now just have the authority to "pile on" to the story however they damn well please. Grow a pair for fuck sakes. CAI NA REAL! Face facts, if you are a priest you are wasting your life away and your living off all the people who work their asses off. People who have REAL jobs.
jlspma 5 months ago
@4lifecopt-If you were an all-mighty, all-powerful divine being, I believe you would not have sit idly by while thousands of little girls cried out for help every day for the past several thousand years to save them from forcibly having their genitals cut off. I believe you wouldn't allow tsunamis to wipe out hundreds of thousands of innocent people & destroy vast infrastructures. Why do people excuse God from such heinous behavior? The point is...these things happen because God doesn't exist.
enuggett 9 months ago
@enuggett Whatever God does is for our own good, but he can not force our will, you obviously didn't catch the message, because the things people do towards these girls are from their own will, and they go against God's will by causing suffering for other people. And according to the other part, God is endlessly wise, and we can not understand his ways because we are but human.
kapeoow 6 months ago
@kapeoow Free will is a cop out. But I'll let you have it if that is what you need in order to make sense of divine inactivity. (I do wonder, though, if free will is so sacred to god, why he bothered opening and closing wombs, parting seas, sending plagues, talking through donkeys, sending chariots of fire, etc.) But free will doesn't answer catastrophes and natural disasters that have nothing to do with free will. If you were god, would you send a tsunami to kill hundreds of thousands?
enuggett 6 months ago
@kapeoow And what do you make of God commanding all the Amalekites to be killed--men, women & children? What do you make of God saying it is ok to beat your slaves as long as they are able to get up & walk within two days? What do you make of God saying that a reasonable solution to having been raped is for the victim to marry her rapist? What do you make of God saying disobedient children should be killed? I could keep going, but you get the idea. Those are God's commands, HIS choices!
enuggett 6 months ago
@enuggett you should read the book "Is God a moral monster?" I forgot who it's by but it's pretty good. Im agnostic and i had a lot of those kind of thoughts especially with old testament laws, but it changed my view completley.
106141214 6 months ago
@enuggett whaddaya wanna say with that? Do you wanna say that God is evil? Are you questioning his actions? Do you wanna say you could do it better at his position?
Or do you wanna say that God doesn't exist? Then it would be so, that all these bad things are happening because we are bad.
The secound is partially right: We human are bad, since we are acting evil as you can see in this world. But, God does exist and he hates evil. Who said that God said a raped woman shall marry her rapist?...
irenajedrinovic 3 months ago
@enuggett ...u should question, what the sence of the bible is; u should read it to figure it out but above all, u get to know God. You get to understand, that there is no other way than God has chosen it for this world. You will notice that this is the best way, because God has chosen it. You will get that everything he's doing has a good background, even if it doesn't seem to be so at the 1st sight. You shouldn't forget;we're just human with a restricted mind; God's mind is different than ours
irenajedrinovic 3 months ago
@kapeoow
Check out: youtube.com/watch?v=PP4i6tRGw7Q
enuggett 6 months ago
Second, even if we were to allow the necessity of freewill for happiness, God could have created humans with freewill who did not have the ability to choose evil, but to choose between several good options.
enuggett 1 year ago
@enuggett then thats not called "free" will if he limits our options from good, and bad to only good
4lifecopt 9 months ago
First, if God is omnipotent, then the assumption that freewill is necessary for happiness is false. If God could make it a rule that only beings with freewill may experience happiness, then he could just as easily have made it a rule that only robots may experience happiness. A perfect and omnipotent God who creates beings capable of ruining their own happiness is impossible.
enuggett 1 year ago
loved the video but i disagree with one thing.. it presents God like if Hes not almigthy. "Square circle" "One ended stick" Shows like if he couldnt change the opinion of someone. God is powerfull.He can do everything but He do it in the most loving strategy: with freedom, So.. He comes to us not in our human way,but with signals of love and if we dont accept them. He let us choose, but subtly He firmly insists patiently all our life until we realize the truth of love or finally despise Him.
verorasa 1 year ago
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verorasa 1 year ago
What about earthquakes, tsunamis, volcano eruptions, etc? natural catastrophes do not depend on us, yet they bring suffering to the world. if god exists, which seems implausible, then hes either incompetent or a spoiled brat.
pollorrr 1 year ago
This is amazing. Quite possibly one of the best videos I have ever seen. Down to the point, beautifully animated and so clean. I applaud you. And slightly envy you, but in a good way. The kind of way that means I am inspired by you. God bless.
amsaric 1 year ago
Very nice animation, very good message. Great!
jmabaron 1 year ago
<3 outstanding.
zuotea 1 year ago
Nice animation, false and incorrect message. Please don't rely on a higher power for giving us a moral conscience and ethics system. It is wrong and very offensive to the nature of the human race. Freedom is a birthright which many people have fought for (and still are fighting for) and it is certainly not a gift from a higher power...
sisseloe 1 year ago
@sisseloe This is not a false or incorrect message. It is a belief that cannot be proved just like your statement: "it is certainly not a gift from a higher power" is also your belief which cannot be proved. And you have the right to believe it without someone calling it false, just like I have the right to believe the opposite if I wish without being called incorrect. Because nobody can actually prove which is correct. That's the point of faith. Otherwise faith would be logically impossible. ;)
amsaric 1 year ago
@amsaric I beg to differ. Firstly, if you want to believe, that's your own choice (if you're not harming anybody else). On the other hand, an opinion and a belief is to be argumented with rational arguments and/or evidence for it to make sense. Religion in all fairness hardly makes sense. Simply believing it because it's your right, can be logically probable, but still incorrect. If no one can prove faith, religion should back out of scientific discussions too.
sisseloe 1 year ago
@sisseloe Religion is a group of cultural traditions based on a community's faith that developed throughout the ages. It is connected to faith, but is not at all the same thing.
Faith is a belief. To be a part of a religion you do not need to believe. Atheism is also a belief. Faith that there is no God. Just like Theism, it cannot be proved, it can only be interpreted and felt.
The day when Theism will be false is when somebody proves there absolutely cannot be a God.
amsaric 1 year ago
@amsaric Interesting thought, but I disagree. Atheïsm is based upon a conclusion that is derived from numerous empirical facts. Relgion is based upon... well, 99% fiction and speculation, actually. This video for instances appears to be 'logical' but uses no empirical evidence whatsoever. In fact, it raises more questions. Science (or atheism if you will) aims to find an explanation, religion (any) just raises more questions.
sisseloe 1 year ago
@sisseloe I agree, theism raises more questions (NOT religion, I am taking about faith, here, not a group of cultural norms) like the purpose of life. It also finds more answers to these questions. Scientifically speaking, whatever your belief is, questions arise because the Universe is simply too big, complex and detailed to not wonder about everything.
I disagree with your stats, though. Faith is experienced through a set of emotions that exist solely for spirituality. Every human has them.
amsaric 1 year ago
The arguement of blaming suffering and evil on humans abusing their free will is flawed. It fails because not all suffering comes about because of human actions. Natural disasters, diseases and such exist in nature, apart from human control ,and are not made by human will or actions.
There may be a way to reconcile a good God with evil and suffering, but it is certainly not found in this video.
dazzar15 1 year ago
Hmm. Free will. Choice. Before you can make a true, personal choice, you should be informed. If "god" really didn't want robots, but wanted people to choose him freely, he would have given them knowledge of good and evil in the first place, instead of putting it within their grasp and telling them no. By doing this, he kept them dependent on him for such knowldege, limiting their choices and free will considerably.
eyesofblue217 1 year ago
@eyesofblue217 Then people would have thought they were also, a god. Oh wait, they already do, nevermind. See Psalms 81, (lol).
Shoots1978 1 year ago
@eyesofblue217 ***God
xxstebxx 1 year ago
@eyesofblue217 He gave us the knowledge of good and evil... One thing is to try them and the other is the knowledge...Thats why He said "NO" because He knew it wasnt good for us..he LOVES us above all, he dont wanted us to suffer (is like you love your children, and you tell them not to use guns, of course they have the freedom to use them but you are not going to give them a shot) But we wanted to try it .Now we are dependant but not from God(who is love and freedom), evil wants the opposite
verorasa 1 year ago
I AM EMOTIONAL MOVED
iEliminationz 1 year ago
wow..all truth
BMI07 1 year ago
A thought came to mind: The video starts with a bird being struck by lightning, which I interpret as an illustration of suffering caused by nature, something we often witness on the news. The video does not follow up on this aspect of suffering, but rather focuses on suffering caused by mankind's sinful nature. I wonder if this was left out on purpose.
parsifal335 1 year ago
@parsifal335 - Excellent observation! No, that wasn't on purpose - it's an inconsistency in the message of the piece. I must have had too much coffee - I dunno. I do think that natural evil (lightning bolts, etc) find their ultimate origin in man's rebellion against his Maker. But this piece does not explore that aspect of the problem of evil. Maybe that will be the subject of another animation... anyways, thanks for your comment! I have lots to learn on this subject...
Zangomatic 1 year ago
Smack! Instantly shared on Facebook. Extraordinarily well composed and explained. You've managed to boil it down to the simple truths, which are usually so hard to explain. Great animation, as well.
parsifal335 1 year ago
Oh wait. Apologies. I thought it was an atheist message. Goes to show, watch the whole video before you post. I'm sorry. God bless :)
Addy4473 1 year ago
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Addy4473 1 year ago
wow amazing!! really this is awesome!!
johny0cz 1 year ago
Zang
This is great. Luv the gfx and animation Love the message even more!
bcoger 1 year ago
very nicely put and done! keep it up
sergiusal 1 year ago
gooda
estevaoavillez 1 year ago
Awesome video!
Daviidho 1 year ago
muito bom! I like it!
estevaoavillez 1 year ago
congrats, great animation piece!
with an astonishing content on it!
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@wilsonfilho7 Im sorry to answer here..but this answer goes to everyone who wrote things about the "freedom with limits" earthquakes, "one ended stick" . God is powerfull. He can do everything, but the beauty of love and freedom is to choose. God doesnt care about the material, illnesses, lives so much as the souls. What we are living are the consequenses of our acts, He doesnt want us to suffer, but he allows them to happen to make people see they are loosing theirselves and open the eyes. .
verorasa 1 year ago
Well explained.
dibbin10 1 year ago
that was kool!! at the begining i thought it was athiast or something, but that was awesome
TotallyTad 1 year ago
that was an awesome video thanks!
Joeschulz11 1 year ago