GREATEST COMPROMISE OF 20-TH CENTURY: Russia is bestial Varanga, competing with Polish Varanga. Lenin's Empire bestially attacked neighboring countries. Stalin offered democracy and CIS (USSR during war). Russians made purges, supported and plotted with Hitler and desarmed USSR armies. Most of Pols were sent to civil camps, later fought in war. Katyn documents forged. Some Pols killed by Russians, or Germans - rest was secretly hold for new Russian "Empire". For West it is a secret.
"До предъявления доказательств фальсификации, нет никаких оснований считать катынские документы из особой папки фальшивками. ... они являются прямым, неопровержимым доказательством того, что военнопленные поляки были расстреляны НКВД в 1940 году."
На сайте Росархива опубликованы электронные образцы подлинных документов о расстреле 22 000 польских офицеров в Катыни, в апреле 1940 года, по личному приказу Сталина.
Today, Russian Archives on Katyn have opened. Finally, the Russian can learn what other nations have known for 70 years.
There were reasons to falsify documents immediately after the event but not 50 or 70 later. Only stupid politicians, scientists, archivists, etc., would risk their reputation by falsifying anything related to very distant past, esp. if the results don't put in favourable light the still cherished leader of the past.
I would like to see how you will react when more documents are published. But there are other sources of information as well, like diaries found in in Katyn graves
For ex., the last scene of Andrzej Wajda's film was based on a diary found with the body of major Adam Solski. His last entry was dated 9th April 1940: "5 am. The day started in a peculiar way. We left in prison lorries, were brought to a forest, something like a spa. Here we were searched. They took my watch (6:30), asked about my wedding ring. They took the roubles, my belt, pocket knife."
The family recognized his handwriting. His nephew, Leszek Solski perished 20 days ago.
Another example: From a notebook kept by Wacław Kruk [?] who was killed in Katyn:
9 April 1940:
It will soon be evening. We have left Smolensk behind and arrived at a station called Gnezdovo. It looks that we'll be disembarking here because there are many military around. Anyway, they have not given us anything to eat so far. Since yesterday's breakfast we have been surviving on a ration of bread and a modest dose of water." [here the notes end]
Don't be ridiculous. Khurshchev hated Stalin, Yeltsin hated Stalin, Gorbachev hated Stalin, and even Putin hates Stalin, yet NONE of them were able to find the records which 'proved' that Stalin ordered the deaths of the men in Katyn.
According to historians in Yeltsin's and Gorbachev's time, Stalin personally consented to the deaths of 30,000-50,000 deaths. Does that mean 2/3 to 2/5 of those that died were Polish officers? That's ridiculous.
The thing is, Khurshchev, Gorbachev, Yelstin and Putin couldn't. It is only Medvedev that can, but that is because he is corrupt. I find it funny that Westerners claim that the Russian government is so corrupt, but they aren't when they do or say something that Westerners agree with.
Medvedev has a bone to pick, and has made up evidence on his own.
The Polish officers were killed by Goebbels in 1943 for anti-Russian propaganda. They were killed by German pistols, their hands were bound by German string and their dead bodies were in earth not longer than 1 year. And all documents supplied by the traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin to the Polish government were fabricated for Polish money.
And now sly Poland tries to make money on that tragedy, its own tragedy. It is vile!
Rosjanie nie potrzebowali komór gazowych, by zabijać tysiące bezbronnych ludzi. Wystarczyły mrozy i głód w bezkresnych stepach i puszczach.
Należy podkreślić, że represje miały charakter jak najbardziej etniczny. Wywożono Polaków, a w ich miejsce przywożono kolonistów z głębi Rosji. Akcja likwidacji naszego narodu była w tym czasie koordynowana z III Rzeszą. To było starannie zaplanowane ludobójstwo.
So, how is it comrades? Germans killed Poles in Katyn? But Russian government agreed with version where Soviet soldiers killed Poles, right? Did they lie?
The Soviet propaganda has blinded you. Why do some Russian people need to be the last in the world to know the truth? And why do you resist the truth so much?
Please, keep your comments level headed and mature. Claiming 'Soviet Propaganda' has 'blinded' the Russian people is no better than the Flat Earth Society claiming that NASA and the world's governments are keeping the fact that the Earth is flat a secret, and it is all one big conspiracy.
"Мы сами допускали фальсификацию истории. И правда в конечном счёте должна быть предъявлена нашим людям и иностранным гражданам, которые в этом заинтересованы."
There were a dozen or so diaries found on the bodies of the victims, for ex. major Adam Solski's. His last entry was dated 9 April 1940:
"5 am. The day started in a peculiar way. We left in prison lorries, were brought to a forest, something like a spa. Here we were searched. They took my watch (6:30), asked about my wedding ring. They took the roubles, my belt, penknife."
His family recognized his handwriting. His nephew, Leszek Solski perished on 10/04/2010..
There are also other claims that postcards and letters were found on the bodies dated to after the presumed date of the 'Soviet Katyn massacre,' dating to as late as 1942 and 43.
DNA testing and autopsies of the bodies also conclude that most of the men could not have died before 1943, with a few exceptions which died in 1942. Both during the Nazi occupation.
who the hell cares? Do you have a clue what the "non communist resistance" was like
vivascargill1 1 month ago
Crossbearershvili 7 months ago
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Crossbearershvili 7 months ago
bit . ly/ltRFj5
gegendenken 9 months ago
7 апреля 2010
Катынь: доказанное преступление советского режима. Клинч на " Эхе Москвы" между М Шевченко и С Бунтманом о том , кто виновен в расстреле поляков.
clubs.ya. ru/polska/posts. xml?tag=5015059
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"До предъявления доказательств фальсификации, нет никаких оснований считать катынские документы из особой папки фальшивками. ... они являются прямым, неопровержимым доказательством того, что военнопленные поляки были расстреляны НКВД в 1940 году."
katyn.codis. ru/muhin.htm
Bemiqua 1 year ago
Andrzej Wajda ("Katyn" director) about Katyn (in Russian):
katyncrime. pl/&1055;&1086;-&1088;&1091;&1089;&1089;&1082;&1080;,280.html
In English:
katyncrime. pl/Main,page,258.html
Bemiqua 1 year ago
На сайте Росархива опубликованы электронные образцы подлинных документов о расстреле 22 000 польских офицеров в Катыни, в апреле 1940 года, по личному приказу Сталина.
Today, Russian Archives on Katyn have opened. Finally, the Russian can learn what other nations have known for 70 years.
Bemiqua 1 year ago
@Bemiqua Are the falcified documents open for everyone at last? Bravo!
SergeiPilipenko 1 year ago
@SergeiPilipenko
There were reasons to falsify documents immediately after the event but not 50 or 70 later. Only stupid politicians, scientists, archivists, etc., would risk their reputation by falsifying anything related to very distant past, esp. if the results don't put in favourable light the still cherished leader of the past.
I would like to see how you will react when more documents are published. But there are other sources of information as well, like diaries found in in Katyn graves
Bemiqua 1 year ago
@SergeiPilipenko
For ex., the last scene of Andrzej Wajda's film was based on a diary found with the body of major Adam Solski. His last entry was dated 9th April 1940: "5 am. The day started in a peculiar way. We left in prison lorries, were brought to a forest, something like a spa. Here we were searched. They took my watch (6:30), asked about my wedding ring. They took the roubles, my belt, pocket knife."
The family recognized his handwriting. His nephew, Leszek Solski perished 20 days ago.
Bemiqua 1 year ago
@SergeiPilipenko
Another example: From a notebook kept by Wacław Kruk [?] who was killed in Katyn:
9 April 1940:
It will soon be evening. We have left Smolensk behind and arrived at a station called Gnezdovo. It looks that we'll be disembarking here because there are many military around. Anyway, they have not given us anything to eat so far. Since yesterday's breakfast we have been surviving on a ration of bread and a modest dose of water." [here the notes end]
More on katyncrime. pl
Bemiqua 1 year ago
@Bemiqua
Don't be ridiculous. Khurshchev hated Stalin, Yeltsin hated Stalin, Gorbachev hated Stalin, and even Putin hates Stalin, yet NONE of them were able to find the records which 'proved' that Stalin ordered the deaths of the men in Katyn.
According to historians in Yeltsin's and Gorbachev's time, Stalin personally consented to the deaths of 30,000-50,000 deaths. Does that mean 2/3 to 2/5 of those that died were Polish officers? That's ridiculous.
RFXCGZZ 1 year ago
"Katyn, see Stalin's order to kill 25 700 Polish POW" (youtube) - 0:56 min - Russian, 1:17 - English
Youtube:
watch?v=WBgU8CI63d8
katynbooks. narod. ru/ (in Russian)
Heraldeena 1 year ago
@SerigeyPliplienko - Kubica is right - if Germans did it then how come Russia admits Soviets did it. Please make some use of your brain
nagileon 1 year ago
@nagileon
The thing is, Khurshchev, Gorbachev, Yelstin and Putin couldn't. It is only Medvedev that can, but that is because he is corrupt. I find it funny that Westerners claim that the Russian government is so corrupt, but they aren't when they do or say something that Westerners agree with.
Medvedev has a bone to pick, and has made up evidence on his own.
RFXCGZZ 1 year ago
@kubica - there is no point to talk to those morons...
nagileon 1 year ago
The Polish officers were killed by Goebbels in 1943 for anti-Russian propaganda. They were killed by German pistols, their hands were bound by German string and their dead bodies were in earth not longer than 1 year. And all documents supplied by the traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin to the Polish government were fabricated for Polish money.
And now sly Poland tries to make money on that tragedy, its own tragedy. It is vile!
SergeiPilipenko 1 year ago
@SergeiPilipenko
Документы по Катыни рассекречены
Youtube: watch?v=CTg5tF8MUWk
Bemique100 1 year ago
@Bemique100 Поддельные документы наконец-то рассекречены? Браво! Теперь все узнают правду!
SergeiPilipenko 1 year ago
long live stalin!!!
jeanpaulfelix 2 years ago
watch?v=8XEIZIP9MEQ
landlesspeasant 2 years ago
Rosjanie nie potrzebowali komór gazowych, by zabijać tysiące bezbronnych ludzi. Wystarczyły mrozy i głód w bezkresnych stepach i puszczach.
Należy podkreślić, że represje miały charakter jak najbardziej etniczny. Wywożono Polaków, a w ich miejsce przywożono kolonistów z głębi Rosji. Akcja likwidacji naszego narodu była w tym czasie koordynowana z III Rzeszą. To było starannie zaplanowane ludobójstwo.
landlesspeasant 2 years ago
So, how is it comrades? Germans killed Poles in Katyn? But Russian government agreed with version where Soviet soldiers killed Poles, right? Did they lie?
kubica188 2 years ago
@kubica188
No, Germans didn't do anything about Katyń. It was ok for Hitler what was going on there, cause he was planning his own attack.
PozytywniIntruzi 1 year ago
@kubica188 yes
ProletarianCPGBML 1 year ago
@ProletarianCPGBML
rusarchives. ru/publication/katyn/spisok.shtml
и всё увидно
Bemique100 1 year ago
@ProletarianCPGBML
The Soviet propaganda hypnotized you forever
Документы по Катыни рассекречены
Youtube:
watch?v=CTg5tF8MUWk
katynbooks.narod. ru/
Bemique100 1 year ago
@ProletarianCPGBML
The Soviet propaganda has blinded you. Why do some Russian people need to be the last in the world to know the truth? And why do you resist the truth so much?
Медведев о Катыни, Известия , 7/05
izvestia. ru/pobeda/article3141617/
Bemique10 1 year ago
@Bemique10
This is a purely emotional response.
Please, keep your comments level headed and mature. Claiming 'Soviet Propaganda' has 'blinded' the Russian people is no better than the Flat Earth Society claiming that NASA and the world's governments are keeping the fact that the Earth is flat a secret, and it is all one big conspiracy.
RFXCGZZ 1 year ago
@ProletarianCPGBML
Медведев, 7/05
"Мы сами допускали фальсификацию истории. И правда в конечном счёте должна быть предъявлена нашим людям и иностранным гражданам, которые в этом заинтересованы."
Bemique10 1 year ago
@ProletarianCPGBML
There were a dozen or so diaries found on the bodies of the victims, for ex. major Adam Solski's. His last entry was dated 9 April 1940:
"5 am. The day started in a peculiar way. We left in prison lorries, were brought to a forest, something like a spa. Here we were searched. They took my watch (6:30), asked about my wedding ring. They took the roubles, my belt, penknife."
His family recognized his handwriting. His nephew, Leszek Solski perished on 10/04/2010..
Bemique 1 year ago
@Bemique
There are also other claims that postcards and letters were found on the bodies dated to after the presumed date of the 'Soviet Katyn massacre,' dating to as late as 1942 and 43.
DNA testing and autopsies of the bodies also conclude that most of the men could not have died before 1943, with a few exceptions which died in 1942. Both during the Nazi occupation.
RFXCGZZ 1 year ago
@RFXCGZZ
Why don't you quote relevant sources, man?
Bemique10 1 year ago
@ProletarianCPGBML
говорят свидетели катынского преступления:
вклей в Youtube:
Las Katyński (5)
Las Katyński (6)
watch?v=GGkQRM9qam8
watch?v=LB0XlJ96QmA
watch?v=DmJTPblVDJc
Bemiqua 1 year ago
@ProletarianCPGBML why would they do that?
conradsz 11 months ago
Why spend so much time defending Stalin? Seriously.
jumpnjza2 2 years ago