@trento728 To be honest, I agree with your final verdict. Under normal circumstances, I would have ignored him, but I felt obligated to demonstrate to him the fact that his college-level-knowledge is severely lacking. Shortly after posting my last comment, I checked his channel only to find that he has made enemies with the entirety of YouTube (he argues with nearly everyone, while employing his unprofessional tactic of childish insults). Ultimately, he wasn't worth my time.
A Cayman is easier, a 911 is faster, on any track, you juste have to compare the laptime, even the 996 with the 3.4L is fastet than the Cayman s!!
Why? Because, thanks to its rear engine, the 911has better braking capabilities and higher speed on corners exit! What do you prefer: a car that can corner 1 km/h faster (the Cayman) or one than can brake later and reaccelerate earlier??
@fesen2: You should read my post once more: with the same brakes, the 911 will brake better BECAUSE OF its rear engine!! and not because it has carbon/ceramic discs
i got a 911 turbo and a boxster. I do love the feel of the low center of gravity in the center that the boxster and cayman's have but you can't compare it seriously to a 911 turbo. Now if porsche could find a way to squeeze the 911 turbo engine into a boxster or cayman then that would be one serious little machine. Audis are cool but even the R8 looks weak parked next to a turbo. Although I do love how you can see the engine.
@joyfulvulture There is nothing wrong with your preferring the 911 Turbo. My issue with it is its erroneous engine layout and the inescapable fact that the cheaper Cayman out-handles it. I couldn't live with a car that hasn't been designed to be as good as it can be. The Audi, on the other hand, was designed to be as fast and useable as possible (like the Cayman), evidence being that Audi detuned the Gallardo's engine to make it quieter and smoother for everyday use.
really? the devil's advocate would say that rear engine = better straight line performance and potentially more fun in the corners since the back end drifts a lot. thats right... FUN. figures dont mean much these are road cars not fucking racing cars you halfwit. proof that fun and things you cant measure matter a lot more than figures = ferrari...
@joyfulvulture Type in "Cayman S laps Laguna Seca." Their professional race driver says, "I think it's better than just about any 911 except, maybe, a GT3 RS: like the top, of the top, of the top, and it's just a plain old Cayman." "Again, the mid-engine, that's the right place for that weight." That is a subjective opinion from a highly decorated race driver. Do what you wish with that information. Feel free to prefer the 911. I prefer the Cayman S. You won't budge, I won't budge.
@marshknute Just cuz a cayman is easier to drive doesn't make it faster for those who can drive can handle the more tricky 911. It has special characteristics that make it quicker and sharper if set up properly because of the rear engine. Also has better braking and acceleration characteristics. F1 cars are extremely hard to drive. fighter jets are very unstable. Same principle applies to 911s
@MrSoccernugget I understand, but it would have been more appealing if he were to drive in his lane as the majority of the drivers who buy a 911 will realistically have to do. If he were on an actual track and not a road course, taking the apex like he does here would make logical sense.
I love all the idiots that compare this to Ferraris and Lambos that cost at least twice as much. The Porsche is supposed to be driven whenever you want, wherever you want. They don't break your spine on less than smooth roads and they (sort of) blend in. It's a livable supercar. Find me something better for less than 132,800 (i think that's the price, sorry i'f i'm wrong)
I've just driven a Carrera S with PDK. It's mind-boggling, you all should at least try before you are deceased. it doesn't change gears, it sets the next gear ready at all times. and by saying this, I can't imagine how a Turbo feels with PDK.
Why doesn't Porsche make a proper mid-engine V8 supercar? Lets face it: the 911 Turob DOES NOT come close to competing with the Ferrari 458 Italia, Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4, McLaren MP4-12C, or even the Lexus LF-A. As good as the 911 Turbo is, it is just a sportscar, not a supercar. It has absolutely no pantomime, doesn't look sexy, has a less-than-exotic 6 cylinder engine, and looks exactly like every other 911 for the past 47 years. Get an R8 V10 instead b/c it is better in every way.
@chocolademan5ET That still isn't a supercar. A proper supercar has pantomime and an exotic air about it. The GT2 RS looks exactly like a Carrera S to the untrained eye, whereas an R8 looks nothing like an everyday car. The Gallardo and 458 take it to a new level with more powerful engines, Italian styling, and state of the art technology.
@chocolademan5ET An exotic car is a term used to refer to rare cars. A sportscar is a car which is usable both on a racetrack and on the road. A supercar is less capable on the road and is built on the principle of form over function. According to Top Gear, the next step is a hypercar, which is completely unusable on the roads and is extremely fast. The R8 is an unusual character, b/c it looks like a supercar but is just as usable on the road as the Porsche 911.
@tmell08 Those are limited production hypercars in the same league as the Enzo, LF-A and SLR. Porsche has never made a mid-engine supercar that can be used everyday. The Cayman S is the best car they currently sell. It does 0-60 as fast as a Carrera S (Porsche lies about its capabilities b/c they don't want to upset 911 sales) and thrashes all 911's through the turns. That said, Porsche could make a 400-500 hp supercar like the R8 with a visible engine and incredible styling.
@2Gtrevo "Porsche has never made a mid-engine supercar that can be used everyday." I'd like to see you drive a Carrera GT to work everyday. The fuel economy is appauling, the ground clearance is next to none, the visibility is non-existent and you couldn't park it anywhere b/c it would get keyed to death.
@marshknute What?? The 911 Turbo was, is, and it will be always The Reference SuperCar. I don't get it, it's a known FACT, it's like morning coming after night, what are you smoking there?? "DOES NOT come close to competing with the Ferrari 458 Italia, Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4, McLaren MP4-12C, or even the Lexus LF-A." ?? It will leave in the dust more than half on your list, is that what you mean?
@marshknute A 911 Turbo with standard steel body is lighter than a fancy 430 :)) That's called German Engineering.."It has absolutely no pantomime" ?? Really? The most recognizable car shape in the world? You're confusing rarity with performance here..Go ahead, buy your exotic and drive it 2 months a year (because it might rain even in the summer). And Carrera GT, mid V10, is that good enough for you :D ? I l know, I know, you asked for a V8, 918 Spyder then?
@Horace993 The 911 Turbo was the benchmark supercar until it was overthrown by the Nissan GT-R. I don't like the Nissan, but I will admit that it outperforms a 911 Turbo and earned its title as the new benchmark. I am right about pantomime. The Turbo has no exciting features to set it apart from other supercars; they are all fast, but its rivals sound and look better. The Carrera GT and 918 Spyder are not everyday cars like the 911 Turbo or Audi R8.
@Horace993 The Cayman out-handles all of the 911's. That is a fact. A mid-engine layout trumps a flawed rear-engine layout. Porsche needs to stop being stubborn, admit their mistake, and allow the Cayman to assume its rightful position as the flagship Porsche sports car. I never said the 911 Turbo was a bad car, and I admit it is a fantastic car. That said, the Cayman outshines it in the corners and the Turbo can never match the R8's beautiful supercar appearance.
@Horace993 I think you need to do some research on the Gallardo (which will soon be replaced), 458 Italia, MP4-12C and Lexus LF-A. They all set consistently faster lap times than the Turbo. Lap times are the proper way to test a supercar. Straight-line performance figures fail to acknowledge a car's cornering abilities, which can make or break a car. Take for example the Bentley Conti SS: hugely powerful and fast, but it struggles to take corners b/c it weighs nearly 2.5 tons.
@marshknute I totally agree with you however on average the three cars you mentioned do cost more than $100,000 more than the 911 Turbo. Now that the Turbo S is out, I believe it might pass the lap times of the Gallardo, by that I mean the LP540-4, and the 458 Italia. Either way, the GT2 and the GT2 RS have both surpassed the times of those cars, and I believe the 918 Spyder will as well.
@marshknute Actually I just looked it up, and on the N-Ring, the LF-A Nurburgring Edition was the only one that beat the Turbo. The LF-A standard version didn't beat it, neither did the Gallardo, or the 458 Italia that had a 7:39 time that was one second slower than the Turbo. The Gallardo wasn't close though. Porsche keeps coming out with dandies in the 911 series, and it's fun to watch.
@marshknute If I'm not mistaken the all new 911 gt2 rs just did a 7:18 around the Nurburgring with that "flawed" engineering. Rear wheel drive and 620 hp. I agree that it just doesnt make sense to put the engine over the rear axle, but Porsche makes it work and that is what makes this car so different and so appealing to so many drivers....
@sanu2809 I realize and respect the incredible performance of the GT2 RS. That said, imagine what Porsche could accomplish had they started with a mid-engine car. The Cayman is already a better handling car than the whole of the 911 range. If they made a Cayman GT2 RS, I garuntee that it would decimate the existing RS's lap time.
@randombloke10 If Porsche can change the laws of physics to make a rear-engine layout work, they can find a way to make a 621bhp Cayman accelerate smoothly.
@marshknute rofl...the cayman is impressive when compared against a carrera. But as per your "whole of the 911 range", in don't think so...It doesn't even come close to a gt3/gt rs/turbo/turbo s.
@joyfulvulture The Audi R8 looks better, sounds better, has a better interior and handles better. Those are not opinions, those are facts. If I wanted a boxer engine, I could buy a Subaru Impreza. As for exotic, which do you think sounds more impressive: "I have a Porsche flat-6," or "I have an exposed Lamborghini V10?" Lamborghini's are simply more exotic and desirable than Porsche's. Also, the Cayman handles better than the 911 (also a fact, not an opinion).
"The Audi R8 looks better, sounds better, has a better interior and handles better. Those are not opinions, those are facts"
LOL, the last part of that statement is so fucking retarded im gonna give you my idiot of the month award.
everything you mentionned is subjective, especially the looks and sound. go buy your uneducated ass a dictionary and look up the definition of "opinion" and "fact".
@joyfulvulture Car and Driver tested both cars on the skidpad: The R8 pulled .01 g's more than the 911 Turbo and .02 g's more on the figure 8 (911's are crippled on the figure 8 b/c their rear-engine layout makes it difficult to change direction). As for styling, every car magazine on the planet agrees that the R8's interior/exterior styling beats the Turbo's by a long way (of course you seem to declare all facts erroneous or subjective).
@joyfulvulture Car and Driver tested both cars on the skidpad: The R8 pulled .01 g's more than the 911 Turbo and .02 g's more on the figure 8 (911's are crippled on the figure 8 b/c their rear-engine layout makes it difficult to change direction). As for styling, every car magazine on the planet agrees that the R8's interior/exterior styling beats the Turbo's by a long way (of course you seem to declare all facts erroneous or subjective).
"As for styling, every car magazine on the planet agrees that the R8's interior/exterior styling beats the Turbo's by a long way (of course you seem to declare all facts erroneous or subjective)"
lol again with the looks = fact thing; what a dumbass. plus, the first part of that statement is a blatant lie. as if you read every car magazine on the planet... getting desperate idiot?
anyhow who cares what car reviewers think about looks. they have no authority on that subject.
@joyfulvulture The fact is, Porsche messed up: They intentionally crippled the first-gen Cayman so it wouldn't threaten the 911. Only after harsh criticism by car reviewers, did Porsche finally give the Cayman the performance and attention it always deserved. Car and Driver tested a PDK Cayman S and recorded a 0-60 run of just 4.3 seconds, the same time as a Carrera S. The simple fact of the matter is this: The Cayman handles better, accelerates the same, costs less and looks just as good.
@joyfulvulture Way to get sidetracked and talk about something completely unrelated. The Cayman has been proven by scientific tests to out-corner the whole of the 911 range and accelerate as fast as a Carrera (4)S. Factor in the price, and it is the better buy. Period. The R8, on the other hand, shares 70% of its underpinnings with the Lamborghini Gallardo. The only differences are the sheetmetal, interior fixtures and seats.
@joyfulvulture The Turbo and R8 cost the same. Therefore I am getting 70% of a Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 for the same price as a 911 Turbo (that was math, by the way, a component of scientific research; it is something which you continue to ignore). Give me one category in which the 911 Turbo beats the R8 besides 0-60 (which nobody does in real life) or provide seating for 1.27 children. Also, give me one valid reason why one should buy a 911 over a Cayman.
"The R8, on the other hand, shares 70% of its underpinnings with the Lamborghini Gallardo ... Therefore I am getting 70% of a Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 for the same price as a 911 Turbo (that was math, by the way, a component of scientific research"
hahahahahahaha thats so fucking dumb. go throw yourself off a bridge man. plus, since when is the gallardo some kind of benchmark?
@joyfulvulture If Audi took 70% of the Gallardo, filled the remaining 30% with their own engineering, and put it on sale, wouldn't the resulting product be 70% Gallardo? Just say, "yes" or don't bother leaving another stupid comment which further exposes your lack of automotive knowledge. In case you didn't know this, the Gallardo was always the benchmark for the R8: Audi wanted to make a supercar with near-Gallardo performance and 911 Turbo practicality. They succeded. BTW, what do you drive?
"If Audi took 70% of the Gallardo, filled the remaining 30% with their own engineering, and put it on sale, wouldn't the resulting product be 70% Gallardo?"
yeah, but thats an insanely simplistic and retarded way of looking at things. then you dared say "that was math, a component of scientific research", LOL!
take it from a grad student, your 20 years old simplistic ass doesnt know jack shit about science or how to gain knowledge in a rigorous, UNBIASED way.
@joyfulvulture As for 0-60, I maintain that the percentage of supercar owners who do it is quite low. They know very well that quick off the line acceleration is the quickest way to attract police officers. In the real world, drivers are more likely to perform 30-70 or 70-100 mph passes, speeds at which the Audi and Porsche are completely even.
@joyfulvulture Did you even watch those two videos I asked you to watch? Real car reviewers, who know more about driving dynamics than you or I ever will, unanimously agreed that the R8 was better. Not only that, but both Autocar and Motortrend declared the Cayman S the best car in the world. If you are any kind of car fan, you will know how unusual, rare and monumentally significant it is when a respected car review agency declares a world's best car (2 is unheard of).
really? do something for me, click on that vid on the right that goes "Porsche 911 Turbo vs Nissan GT-R vs Audi R8 V10"
guess your pathetic little "invent facts and car reviewers' opinions" strategy just went down the toilet huh? your level of desperation, bias and stupidity is quite entertaining, please go on.
@joyfulvulture I've watched that video numerous times. You misunderstood his closing remarks: The Audi's R-tronic gearbox isn't as good as the Porsche's PDK or the Nissan's flappy paddle gearbox. If you want an automatic supercar, then get the GT-R (which beat your precious Turbo). If you are a petrolhead and buy a manual transmission, then you'll have to find another video which compares a manual 911 Turbo and R8. If you are a fan of automatics, than god help me, you are not a petrolhead.
@joyfulvulture If you still think the Porsche beats the Audi, type in "Mercedes SLS AMG vs Porsche 911 Turbo S vs Audi R8 V10" and watch MotorTrend's video. They unanimously agree that the R8 V10 is the best supercar in its price range. Then, type in, "New 2008 Porsche Cayman" and click on Autocar's video. The same organization that made this video declared the Cayman the best car Porsche makes.
@joyfulvulture If, after reading all of this, watching the aforementioned videos and (hopefully) doing some research of your own, you still think that the Porsche is better, then so be it. You are entitled to your opinion, just as every Porsche/BMW/Apple/etc fanboy is.
@joyfulvulture Please don't tell me you are that ignorant when it comes to car statistics. I bet you also think a 10th of second is an insignificant amount in a 0-60 time. Real car fans know little performance advantages represent huge differences. Anyway, I said that the Audi out-handled the Porsche, to which you said, "the last part of that statement is so fucking retarded," so I pulled out some statistics to prove you wrong. Don't be a baby about it, you lost fair and square.
"Please don't tell me you are that ignorant when it comes to car statistics"
HAHAHAHAHA
since you like "maths" so much, do you realize 0.01g in a ~1g car = ONE FUCKING PERCENT of the grip it has? are you seriously being dumb, biased or desperate enough to claim it matters? especially since its g figures are just a small part of what handling includes as a whole? shit dude you make me wanna change my retard of the month award to a retard of the year.
@joyfulvulture Have you offered a single statistic yet? No. Your only remarks are, "this flaw doesn't matter, that flaw doesn't matter, the Audi's better statistics are irrelevant, and all the world's car reviewers are wrong." How can you call me biased when you have unfailingly ignored every statistic and professional verdict i have cited? You will never listen to logic, scientific findings or professional advice unless it supports your heavily biased opinions. Everyone hates a fanboy.
"You will never listen to logic, scientific findings"
that little elitist attitude of yours is gonna make me piss my pants in laughter. you're fucking 20 years old and im doing a thesis at the moment, so dont even bother using the word science.
just from what you think a fact is and how you go about gathering info and making conclusions... its pretty clear you dont have a fucking clue what having a scientific outlook on things means anyway.
@joyfulvulture How can you possibly be working on a thesis? I've noticed that in addition to our own conversation, you are carrying out identical conversations on music videos, boxing videos, car reviews, etc. You have no life. Anyway, you are still ignoring evidence without offering any of your own. How can you write a thesis without evidence? You need to research your topic and report your findings in a non-biased manner.
"You need to research your topic and report your findings in a non-biased manner"
lol you're one to talk about bias. see my two previous comments.
and you know what, the audi might be better, or it might not be. i dont even know or have an opinion and i COULDNT CARE LESS. you seem to forget that this convo started with me criticizing your dumbass for saying incredibly stupid shit like "looks of car X are objectively better" and "a flat 6 isnt exotic but a V8 is".
@joyfulvulture How can I take you seriously as a grad student when you make comments like those below? You haven't offered any evidence for me to compare to my own because you are too busy making ludicrous insults. I would like to talk to you as an adult, but so far, have been the only one of us two to try to do so. Also, I find it hard to believe that your 2-3 years of additional life have made you as infinitely knowledgeable as you claim to be. Where did you study to gain that much wisdom?
@joyfulvulture I acknowledged that fact several pages back. The Porsche has 1 win. The Audi has better performance figures in the skidpad, figure 8, 30-70, braking and power output. The Audi has 5 wins. Couple that to the subjective professional opinions of car reviewers, and I must conclude that the Audi is better than the Porsche in more categories than the Porsche is better than the Audi. Therefore I prefer the Audi. That said, I prefer the Cayman to the R8 and the 911.
@joyfulvulture Is your only counter to indisputable evidence a phrase like "how can you be that stupid?" I don't appreciate arguing with people who are uneducated on the topic. If you are educated on cars, I invite you to demonstrate that. If you can't offer evidence to back up your claims, please don't say anything. BTW, comments accusing people of stupidity never work in your favor and only serve to portray you as an immature individual who has nothing worthwhile to bring to the table.
"Is your only counter to indisputable evidence a phrase like "how can you be that stupid?"
i told you to look at a video didnt i? a video WHERE THE AUDI GETS BY THE PORSCHE AROUND A RACETRACK? i guess you cant even read now on top of being incredibly stupid.
argue that result mr. einstein the scientist. i'm gonna have fun reading your answer.
@joyfulvulture I am still waiting for: 1: A reason why I should buy the Turbo over the R8 V10. 2: A reason why I should buy any 911 over a Cayman S. Show me you can argue your opinions or I will no longer continue a conversation with you. Honestly, it's like talking to Obama about stimulating the private sector: he (you) lacks sufficient knowledge to offer any worthwhile advice.
smth I've just noticed. In the 911, the paddles move along with the steering wheel, when in other supercars (ferrari etc) they stand still.... Isn't that more...practical?
The pdk gearbox is truly amazing. Go drive one, its the best dual clutch gearbox around, especially in daily driving. Pretty damn amazing how civilized it is, and then you mash the gas and all hell breaks loose instantly.
This 911 turbo goes for $160k, I just purchased the previous model for half of that price. There is something different about Porsches, beautiful cars.
@mrbenyong not as fast as this new model with its optional extras round the nurburgring... but still extremely impressive car ... for a wannabe datson ;)
to be fair, the GTR seems to have posted times faster than the 911 turbo. and seems like in many outright races GTR still seems to put in better lap times.
BUT
0-100 911 better (coz gtr's gear box has problems)
maybe in an endurance race the gtr will slowly lose out bc of its weight and tire wear? i think its very possible that gtrs finish up tires faster.
overall i think the 911 turbo S might have a chance 2beat the gtr.
if u saw a race 1 v 1 that da 911 won pls post a link
@koolkev116 £105000 standard with the PDK and torque vectoring and their electromagnetic ride (to get it to 60 in 3 seconds flat) £117000~ and for carbon ceramic brakes are an extra £5000 ... expensive .. yeah
@sup3rcars- yes old 911 were a handfull in the wet, but bad? I can't agree. Old pre VW lambos were unreliable, inpractical, poorly assembled, thirsty and generally unusable as an everyday car. The 911 has always been a usable practical, durable car, probably the best car ever made. I recently drove a 997 c2 pdk and was blown away, it's easier to drive than a civic.
@sup3rcars I know someone who had an 03' Murcielago and the damn thing was always being sent back to get fixed. What also sucked was that the warranty is only a 2 year so once you run out, its ridiculous to fix. Not to mention the clutch and brakes needed to be replaced at 16k miles and that was about 20k.
@sup3rcars Yeah a Lambo will get you much more attention but it's not an everyday car like this. If I was a multi millionaire then I'd get a Ferrari, but for an everyday drive you can't beat this.
The Porsche 911 Turbo is a realistic car to have. It has Ferrari performance but you don't have to worry that it will break down often or that someone is going to key it.
@BLIZZARDIBLO YOUR absoulotly rigth yeah the egein is in the wrong place BUT because its on the complete back its bang on the rear tyres and give more traction. the 911's gets the best tracton AND one of the most soffistaceted systemes in the wolrd THAT is why the 911 's are the best
correct Steve.... pretty much unbeatable.... but it's still a porsche.... not a Ferrari.... haha.. where all the short coming of having no turbo at all... but just listen to it especially when u go thru a short tunnel..... Nothing beats a ferrari.....
LOL.... wow...some people just need to relax...... I mean... you could like whatever you want.... and so do I.... and personally I'll prefer Ferrari over anything that looks like a squashed VW Beetle.... oh wait... Porsche got huge deficit and now owned by VW.... nice...... LMAO
Porsche makes more money then Ferrari, and it least they aren't owned by FIAT. I have nothing against Ferrari, but anyone who says one car manu. is better then the rest just because they look better, is just childish. Its like saying the NIssan Titan is the best truck because its bigger and has more Horsepower.
LOL.... It's not only it looks better.... it's also the drive as I am sure you've never driven both..... perhaps a lowly 924/944 variant? In which I've driven the 997 Turbo and F430..and to me power from a straight line means nothing.... what you get from the Ferrari is the amazing engine sound that rev's and rev's.... and cornering grip and balance there's no way the Turbo can compare?? So your comment pretty much means nothing.... yeah they are owned by Fiat.... but also they have a huge
Well I guess we'll agree to disagree. But I've never understood why engine sound means anything to people. But at least you're a Ferrari junky and not a Vette or Aston Martin type. I cant wait to see some comparisons thought the new Italia though...
Line up including all race inspiring Alfa Romeo and Lancia... both have hugh racing heritage.... as for VW?? TDI anyone? BORING and ugly too... if I am spending that kinda money I'd want something with Pinnifarina designed and hand crafted leather interior.... etc.... anyways...what does it has to do with Nissan anyways? funny that you mentioned it that Steven sutcliffe in another comparo test with this 911 Turbo vs GTR and the GTR is still king your love of your life Porsche new Turbo. LOL
Jesus Christ, we get that you love you Ferrari's as mush as your husband, but come on, why do you think they only compare the GTR to 911's? All sports cars are compared to 911's because they have always had the bench mark in performance. If you recall, Nissan set out to beat the 911, not a Ferrari, so what does that say? So if they can beat a Porsche, they can beat a Ferrari for sure. BTW FYI, the new 2010 Turbo, can you guess what the zero-60 was clocked at? 2.9 seconds.
The reason that the comparison don't have the Ferrari F430 is because it's been out forever and the new F458 Italia is not out yet? Simple. As I am sure all car mag will compare the three when it's here later in the summer. not to mention price wise it's not even worth the test, simply because Ferrari is much higher sticker price which is why it's so special cause not a lot of people can afford one. Status quote ya know? I know you love your porsche as much as ur husband too...
Also, the 458 Italia uses a Dual Clutch System, where you do think they got that idea from? Sure as hell wasn't some sweaty Italian who thought of that one...
Of course it would, Germany was #1 in the world in exporting machinery parts a couple of years ago, you don't think that the same stuff they export they would use for themselves? HOw can you say price wise its not worth the test? Almost every car the GTR went against and beat in a lap time, it was the cheaper car. Sticker price has to do with economics and supply and demand, not because they only cater to rich people. And, the Double Clutch System was created by Audi/VW btw.
@Blitz3086 the dual clutches transmissions were developed by Porsche (PDK) in-house in the 80's for the 962 racing cars. Due to Porsche Volkswagen close Colaboration since ever...the Audi quattro Rally car also used the PDK.
@Blitz3086 i have read your posts and i have to say that.. you are teaching the boys!
I think it's funny when some say the porsche has the engine in the wrong place and then they always win comparisions and races against cars with central engines and v8, v10 engines...and of course with it's little 6 cylinder engine...This only shows one thing very clearly.... The porsche has the best handling and the engine where it should be!
I totally agree. What I think is funny is that when people like to drift in a car, like a corvette, aston martin or something, they have fun with it. But when the porsche decides too drift, its a car thats out of control and hard to manage, like the GT2. I think people who complain about a porsche sliding its rear, have only driven bitch cars they're entire lives.
@Blitz3086 it's true...the porsche are dificult to control in drift because they are very direct and have very traction and to control the car we must feel it correctly and be very fast with steering...i'ts like a cart, if you let it go in excess you lost it but if you have capabilities to drive this type of cars then you get a extreme fast car cornering...but this is not for kids that want toys to spin wheels easly...it's made to be driven not to drive the driver...like most are used to...
i don't understand they keep adding some shit that is not new and put out cars like this is new porshe or ferrari , btw last fri was so gay and they stole lambo style fuck ferrari bitches
If I am fortunate enough to afford a super car in the future, I would definitely get the 911 Turbo. I like creature comforts and practicality, even in super cars. The only contenders to the 911 for practical super cars are the Audi R8 V8/V10, Honda NSX and the Corvette range. Lambo's and Ferrari's are garage queens most of the time. I want to drive my car every day, so no GT3/GT3 RS...even though they are technically better on the track. I drive a 400hp 335i now and I LOVE Forced Inductions.
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I couldn't live with that styling. Especially from the front it looks awful, like a yellow frog. I don't care how fast or economical it is, that styling and that interior should put everyone off.
"you're probably thinking it looks just like the old porsche 911 turbo. Wrong!" Erm, no Steve, it does LOOK just like the old 911 turbo, regardless of what mechanical differences there are. If you're going to try and pull of stylish journalism, do try and get it right.
It is a very nice car, but I mean after 40 plus years the same design, I mean.. well you catch my drift. I just cant credit Porsche all that much, eventually it just gets old, Porsche 911 was my fav car since I was 4 but now, somethings got to change. Its like their afraid if they cease production of the 911 thats it, although with that fuck ugly Cayenne and Panamera it just might be.
i think its funny how they wont give the cayman more power because they know it will piss all over the 911. so instead they are jus stubborn and stick with their ridiculous (although they have done amazing things with it) rear motor design.
@BassPlaysMe Exactly. I mean, if the car stays the same for the next 10 years, when hopefully I will be able to afford it, I still wuoldn't give a damn :-D In fact I'm quite afraid of the changes, now that Porsche is under VW... Let the others hate the Turbo, I don't mind. The only thing that matters is how does it drive :) And it certainly doesn't look bad, i like the new rear lights
It being yellow doesn't even bug me.
Extacypure 5 months ago
what the fuck happend with the manual gear? :\
maestrularmelor 6 months ago
fuck this fatty he sux big time
chrisluvjh 6 months ago
Nice Car, Turbo S is better.
robbo777cricket 7 months ago
3.8litre engine did it say? wow i wouldn't mind a go in one of these!
IamHexxorz 7 months ago
they r sick my dad bought the turbo S it is so fast
robbo777cricket 7 months ago
@robbo777cricket ah you lucky bastard id die to have a quick rally round the streets in one
IamHexxorz 7 months ago
i hate shitty paddles and would never want anything with them!
vednfsgt3 8 months ago in playlist Cars
@vednfsgt3 I couldn't agree more! 6 Speed Manual PLEASE!
SanctuaryShred 7 months ago
Watch: Dauer 962 LeMans Test
TheSubzerogr 8 months ago
It's just a volkswagen beetle design by Hitler , I love top gear!
iTziLLUMY 8 months ago
not as good as top gear but so much better than fifth Gear, Sorry N gear
dennisjonkristensen 8 months ago
its porschE you fat english prick, not porsch... and it does look the same as the old one,so Im not wrong
tylkopolak 8 months ago
Very cool car
ibr0o0 8 months ago
i dont see the fascination with 0-60? this car still will get raped by a nissan gtr and a corvette z06 (z07 package) around a road course all day
mtross70 8 months ago
The Turbo S PDK has ripped off 0-60 times of 2.7 seconds!! That's faster than EVERY Ferrari and every production car period except the Veyron.
Astralwurksdk 9 months ago 8
I want this car so bad...im gonna cry myself to sleep tonight :(
fesen2 10 months ago
porsche's are the very best car in the world not even a ferrari can beat them in my eyes
VxDom1 10 months ago
the german stuff always has been the best when it comes to engineering!
TheInGenCO 10 months ago
@trento728 To be honest, I agree with your final verdict. Under normal circumstances, I would have ignored him, but I felt obligated to demonstrate to him the fact that his college-level-knowledge is severely lacking. Shortly after posting my last comment, I checked his channel only to find that he has made enemies with the entirety of YouTube (he argues with nearly everyone, while employing his unprofessional tactic of childish insults). Ultimately, he wasn't worth my time.
marshknute 11 months ago
A Cayman is easier, a 911 is faster, on any track, you juste have to compare the laptime, even the 996 with the 3.4L is fastet than the Cayman s!!
Why? Because, thanks to its rear engine, the 911has better braking capabilities and higher speed on corners exit! What do you prefer: a car that can corner 1 km/h faster (the Cayman) or one than can brake later and reaccelerate earlier??
Kheops63 11 months ago
@Kheops63 but you can get carbon breaks in a Cayman as well, i think it's about 100.000kr in Sweden so around 10.000€ >.<
fesen2 10 months ago
@fesen2: You should read my post once more: with the same brakes, the 911 will brake better BECAUSE OF its rear engine!! and not because it has carbon/ceramic discs
Kheops63 9 months ago
ahhh, best of luck nissan, ohh shit wait its faster and cheaper!
555NaKuL 1 year ago
@555NaKuL and as ugly as the shit i just took
Mclaren3054 9 months ago
@Mclaren3054 Still much better than ur face bitch!
vickk220 9 months ago
@vickk220 haha good one how creative
Mclaren3054 9 months ago
@Mclaren3054 lol, i dont remeber me writing this comment! its not something id say! but the porsche isnt the worlds sexiest car !
555NaKuL 9 months ago
i got a 911 turbo and a boxster. I do love the feel of the low center of gravity in the center that the boxster and cayman's have but you can't compare it seriously to a 911 turbo. Now if porsche could find a way to squeeze the 911 turbo engine into a boxster or cayman then that would be one serious little machine. Audis are cool but even the R8 looks weak parked next to a turbo. Although I do love how you can see the engine.
kgoldric 1 year ago
Is it just me, or this is a very sexy Porsche
HateWhatISee 1 year ago 34
or dismissing it with something as incredibly stupid as "nobody does that in real life".
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture There is nothing wrong with your preferring the 911 Turbo. My issue with it is its erroneous engine layout and the inescapable fact that the cheaper Cayman out-handles it. I couldn't live with a car that hasn't been designed to be as good as it can be. The Audi, on the other hand, was designed to be as fast and useable as possible (like the Cayman), evidence being that Audi detuned the Gallardo's engine to make it quieter and smoother for everyday use.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"erroneous engine layout"
really? the devil's advocate would say that rear engine = better straight line performance and potentially more fun in the corners since the back end drifts a lot. thats right... FUN. figures dont mean much these are road cars not fucking racing cars you halfwit. proof that fun and things you cant measure matter a lot more than figures = ferrari...
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture Type in "Cayman S laps Laguna Seca." Their professional race driver says, "I think it's better than just about any 911 except, maybe, a GT3 RS: like the top, of the top, of the top, and it's just a plain old Cayman." "Again, the mid-engine, that's the right place for that weight." That is a subjective opinion from a highly decorated race driver. Do what you wish with that information. Feel free to prefer the 911. I prefer the Cayman S. You won't budge, I won't budge.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute Just cuz a cayman is easier to drive doesn't make it faster for those who can drive can handle the more tricky 911. It has special characteristics that make it quicker and sharper if set up properly because of the rear engine. Also has better braking and acceleration characteristics. F1 cars are extremely hard to drive. fighter jets are very unstable. Same principle applies to 911s
dangrbitch 1 year ago
Not as good as the 911GT2 i went in last week, but still awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AlexRoth69 1 year ago
I LOVE PORSCHE 911 c(:
Useromanch 1 year ago
He can't stay in his lane?
utbigpapa 1 year ago
@utbigpapa
hes driving on a track hes not trying to
MrSoccernugget 1 year ago
@MrSoccernugget I understand, but it would have been more appealing if he were to drive in his lane as the majority of the drivers who buy a 911 will realistically have to do. If he were on an actual track and not a road course, taking the apex like he does here would make logical sense.
utbigpapa 1 year ago
@utbigpapa
yea thats true and thanks for not being a dick head :)
MrSoccernugget 1 year ago
The new Turbo s pdk is a fucking drag car.
The Turbo pdk with 500 hp manages 0-400m in 10.8!
What is the turbo s capable??!!!
dicktp 1 year ago 12
@dicktp 530hp, not sure about the 400m run
RTree613 10 months ago
@RTree613 10.7 according to fastest laps dot com for 0-400m
dicktp 10 months ago
no wonder its so damn fast ,,, it sounds like a P51...
gcox1993 1 year ago
NISSAN, wake up! time for GT-R Spec V with 550ps(not hacking the ECU)
Arai4lpinestars 1 year ago
The car you see drifting in the beginning sounds like a GT3 (RS) rather than a Turbo?
Huib1992 1 year ago
shutcliffe sucks, he is very very boring
CheeseWithWorms 1 year ago
I love all the idiots that compare this to Ferraris and Lambos that cost at least twice as much. The Porsche is supposed to be driven whenever you want, wherever you want. They don't break your spine on less than smooth roads and they (sort of) blend in. It's a livable supercar. Find me something better for less than 132,800 (i think that's the price, sorry i'f i'm wrong)
aikenforjeff 1 year ago
I've just driven a Carrera S with PDK. It's mind-boggling, you all should at least try before you are deceased. it doesn't change gears, it sets the next gear ready at all times. and by saying this, I can't imagine how a Turbo feels with PDK.
hadabenz 1 year ago
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Porsche don't have to change the shape of this car to change, because it's "PERFECT"
okami11408 1 year ago
Why doesn't Porsche make a proper mid-engine V8 supercar? Lets face it: the 911 Turob DOES NOT come close to competing with the Ferrari 458 Italia, Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4, McLaren MP4-12C, or even the Lexus LF-A. As good as the 911 Turbo is, it is just a sportscar, not a supercar. It has absolutely no pantomime, doesn't look sexy, has a less-than-exotic 6 cylinder engine, and looks exactly like every other 911 for the past 47 years. Get an R8 V10 instead b/c it is better in every way.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute the gt2 Rs
chocolademan5ET 1 year ago
@chocolademan5ET That still isn't a supercar. A proper supercar has pantomime and an exotic air about it. The GT2 RS looks exactly like a Carrera S to the untrained eye, whereas an R8 looks nothing like an everyday car. The Gallardo and 458 take it to a new level with more powerful engines, Italian styling, and state of the art technology.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute I think you missing the point between an exotic car and a supercar, like the gt2 rs is a supercar but not an exotic.
chocolademan5ET 1 year ago
@chocolademan5ET An exotic car is a term used to refer to rare cars. A sportscar is a car which is usable both on a racetrack and on the road. A supercar is less capable on the road and is built on the principle of form over function. According to Top Gear, the next step is a hypercar, which is completely unusable on the roads and is extremely fast. The R8 is an unusual character, b/c it looks like a supercar but is just as usable on the road as the Porsche 911.
marshknute 1 year ago
@chocolademan5ET after all the gtr is a nissan , but the 911 is a porsche :P
07gogogooooooooo 1 year ago
@marshknute what about the carrera gt or the new spyder 918?
tmell08 1 year ago
@tmell08 Those are limited production hypercars in the same league as the Enzo, LF-A and SLR. Porsche has never made a mid-engine supercar that can be used everyday. The Cayman S is the best car they currently sell. It does 0-60 as fast as a Carrera S (Porsche lies about its capabilities b/c they don't want to upset 911 sales) and thrashes all 911's through the turns. That said, Porsche could make a 400-500 hp supercar like the R8 with a visible engine and incredible styling.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute Carrera GT ? dont exist?
2Gtrevo 1 year ago
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@2Gtrevo "Porsche has never made a mid-engine supercar that can be used everyday." I'd like to see you drive a Carrera GT to work everyday. The fuel economy is appauling, the ground clearance is next to none, the visibility is non-existent and you couldn't park it anywhere b/c it would get keyed to death.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute What?? The 911 Turbo was, is, and it will be always The Reference SuperCar. I don't get it, it's a known FACT, it's like morning coming after night, what are you smoking there?? "DOES NOT come close to competing with the Ferrari 458 Italia, Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4, McLaren MP4-12C, or even the Lexus LF-A." ?? It will leave in the dust more than half on your list, is that what you mean?
Horace993 1 year ago
@marshknute A 911 Turbo with standard steel body is lighter than a fancy 430 :)) That's called German Engineering.."It has absolutely no pantomime" ?? Really? The most recognizable car shape in the world? You're confusing rarity with performance here..Go ahead, buy your exotic and drive it 2 months a year (because it might rain even in the summer). And Carrera GT, mid V10, is that good enough for you :D ? I l know, I know, you asked for a V8, 918 Spyder then?
Horace993 1 year ago
@Horace993 The 911 Turbo was the benchmark supercar until it was overthrown by the Nissan GT-R. I don't like the Nissan, but I will admit that it outperforms a 911 Turbo and earned its title as the new benchmark. I am right about pantomime. The Turbo has no exciting features to set it apart from other supercars; they are all fast, but its rivals sound and look better. The Carrera GT and 918 Spyder are not everyday cars like the 911 Turbo or Audi R8.
marshknute 1 year ago
@Horace993 The Cayman out-handles all of the 911's. That is a fact. A mid-engine layout trumps a flawed rear-engine layout. Porsche needs to stop being stubborn, admit their mistake, and allow the Cayman to assume its rightful position as the flagship Porsche sports car. I never said the 911 Turbo was a bad car, and I admit it is a fantastic car. That said, the Cayman outshines it in the corners and the Turbo can never match the R8's beautiful supercar appearance.
marshknute 1 year ago
@Horace993 I think you need to do some research on the Gallardo (which will soon be replaced), 458 Italia, MP4-12C and Lexus LF-A. They all set consistently faster lap times than the Turbo. Lap times are the proper way to test a supercar. Straight-line performance figures fail to acknowledge a car's cornering abilities, which can make or break a car. Take for example the Bentley Conti SS: hugely powerful and fast, but it struggles to take corners b/c it weighs nearly 2.5 tons.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute I totally agree with you however on average the three cars you mentioned do cost more than $100,000 more than the 911 Turbo. Now that the Turbo S is out, I believe it might pass the lap times of the Gallardo, by that I mean the LP540-4, and the 458 Italia. Either way, the GT2 and the GT2 RS have both surpassed the times of those cars, and I believe the 918 Spyder will as well.
butchthedoggie 1 year ago
@marshknute Actually I just looked it up, and on the N-Ring, the LF-A Nurburgring Edition was the only one that beat the Turbo. The LF-A standard version didn't beat it, neither did the Gallardo, or the 458 Italia that had a 7:39 time that was one second slower than the Turbo. The Gallardo wasn't close though. Porsche keeps coming out with dandies in the 911 series, and it's fun to watch.
butchthedoggie 1 year ago
@marshknute If I'm not mistaken the all new 911 gt2 rs just did a 7:18 around the Nurburgring with that "flawed" engineering. Rear wheel drive and 620 hp. I agree that it just doesnt make sense to put the engine over the rear axle, but Porsche makes it work and that is what makes this car so different and so appealing to so many drivers....
sanu2809 1 year ago
@sanu2809 I realize and respect the incredible performance of the GT2 RS. That said, imagine what Porsche could accomplish had they started with a mid-engine car. The Cayman is already a better handling car than the whole of the 911 range. If they made a Cayman GT2 RS, I garuntee that it would decimate the existing RS's lap time.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute ahhhh but it would have less traction on the rear wheels which when your dealing with 621bhp it really matters to reduce wheelspin
randombloke10 1 year ago
@randombloke10 If Porsche can change the laws of physics to make a rear-engine layout work, they can find a way to make a 621bhp Cayman accelerate smoothly.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute rofl...the cayman is impressive when compared against a carrera. But as per your "whole of the 911 range", in don't think so...It doesn't even come close to a gt3/gt rs/turbo/turbo s.
ShAwNeXsHeN 1 year ago
@marshknute
"It has absolutely no pantomime, doesn't look sexy, has a less-than-exotic 6 cylinder engine"
1. looks sexy as hell to me and a lot of other people
2. since when is a flat 6 not exotic? since when is a V8 exotic? lol you're fucking stupid.
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture The Audi R8 looks better, sounds better, has a better interior and handles better. Those are not opinions, those are facts. If I wanted a boxer engine, I could buy a Subaru Impreza. As for exotic, which do you think sounds more impressive: "I have a Porsche flat-6," or "I have an exposed Lamborghini V10?" Lamborghini's are simply more exotic and desirable than Porsche's. Also, the Cayman handles better than the 911 (also a fact, not an opinion).
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"The Audi R8 looks better, sounds better, has a better interior and handles better. Those are not opinions, those are facts"
LOL, the last part of that statement is so fucking retarded im gonna give you my idiot of the month award.
everything you mentionned is subjective, especially the looks and sound. go buy your uneducated ass a dictionary and look up the definition of "opinion" and "fact".
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture Car and Driver tested both cars on the skidpad: The R8 pulled .01 g's more than the 911 Turbo and .02 g's more on the figure 8 (911's are crippled on the figure 8 b/c their rear-engine layout makes it difficult to change direction). As for styling, every car magazine on the planet agrees that the R8's interior/exterior styling beats the Turbo's by a long way (of course you seem to declare all facts erroneous or subjective).
marshknute 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture Car and Driver tested both cars on the skidpad: The R8 pulled .01 g's more than the 911 Turbo and .02 g's more on the figure 8 (911's are crippled on the figure 8 b/c their rear-engine layout makes it difficult to change direction). As for styling, every car magazine on the planet agrees that the R8's interior/exterior styling beats the Turbo's by a long way (of course you seem to declare all facts erroneous or subjective).
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"As for styling, every car magazine on the planet agrees that the R8's interior/exterior styling beats the Turbo's by a long way (of course you seem to declare all facts erroneous or subjective)"
lol again with the looks = fact thing; what a dumbass. plus, the first part of that statement is a blatant lie. as if you read every car magazine on the planet... getting desperate idiot?
anyhow who cares what car reviewers think about looks. they have no authority on that subject.
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture The fact is, Porsche messed up: They intentionally crippled the first-gen Cayman so it wouldn't threaten the 911. Only after harsh criticism by car reviewers, did Porsche finally give the Cayman the performance and attention it always deserved. Car and Driver tested a PDK Cayman S and recorded a 0-60 run of just 4.3 seconds, the same time as a Carrera S. The simple fact of the matter is this: The Cayman handles better, accelerates the same, costs less and looks just as good.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"If I wanted a boxer engine, I could buy a Subaru Impreza"
"Lamborghini's are simply more exotic and desirable than Porsche's"
but porsches arent more exotic and desirable than subarus though right? lol what a fucking idiot.
plus, your only valid argument as to why the cayman is better than the 911 is the price. for lamborghini vs porsche, it doesnt matter though right?.
you're the dumbest dork i've come across on youtube in a while, congrats.
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture Way to get sidetracked and talk about something completely unrelated. The Cayman has been proven by scientific tests to out-corner the whole of the 911 range and accelerate as fast as a Carrera (4)S. Factor in the price, and it is the better buy. Period. The R8, on the other hand, shares 70% of its underpinnings with the Lamborghini Gallardo. The only differences are the sheetmetal, interior fixtures and seats.
marshknute 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture The Turbo and R8 cost the same. Therefore I am getting 70% of a Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 for the same price as a 911 Turbo (that was math, by the way, a component of scientific research; it is something which you continue to ignore). Give me one category in which the 911 Turbo beats the R8 besides 0-60 (which nobody does in real life) or provide seating for 1.27 children. Also, give me one valid reason why one should buy a 911 over a Cayman.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"The R8, on the other hand, shares 70% of its underpinnings with the Lamborghini Gallardo ... Therefore I am getting 70% of a Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 for the same price as a 911 Turbo (that was math, by the way, a component of scientific research"
hahahahahahaha thats so fucking dumb. go throw yourself off a bridge man. plus, since when is the gallardo some kind of benchmark?
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture If Audi took 70% of the Gallardo, filled the remaining 30% with their own engineering, and put it on sale, wouldn't the resulting product be 70% Gallardo? Just say, "yes" or don't bother leaving another stupid comment which further exposes your lack of automotive knowledge. In case you didn't know this, the Gallardo was always the benchmark for the R8: Audi wanted to make a supercar with near-Gallardo performance and 911 Turbo practicality. They succeded. BTW, what do you drive?
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"If Audi took 70% of the Gallardo, filled the remaining 30% with their own engineering, and put it on sale, wouldn't the resulting product be 70% Gallardo?"
yeah, but thats an insanely simplistic and retarded way of looking at things. then you dared say "that was math, a component of scientific research", LOL!
take it from a grad student, your 20 years old simplistic ass doesnt know jack shit about science or how to gain knowledge in a rigorous, UNBIASED way.
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture As for 0-60, I maintain that the percentage of supercar owners who do it is quite low. They know very well that quick off the line acceleration is the quickest way to attract police officers. In the real world, drivers are more likely to perform 30-70 or 70-100 mph passes, speeds at which the Audi and Porsche are completely even.
marshknute 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture Did you even watch those two videos I asked you to watch? Real car reviewers, who know more about driving dynamics than you or I ever will, unanimously agreed that the R8 was better. Not only that, but both Autocar and Motortrend declared the Cayman S the best car in the world. If you are any kind of car fan, you will know how unusual, rare and monumentally significant it is when a respected car review agency declares a world's best car (2 is unheard of).
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"unanimously agreed that the R8 was better"
really? do something for me, click on that vid on the right that goes "Porsche 911 Turbo vs Nissan GT-R vs Audi R8 V10"
guess your pathetic little "invent facts and car reviewers' opinions" strategy just went down the toilet huh? your level of desperation, bias and stupidity is quite entertaining, please go on.
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture I've watched that video numerous times. You misunderstood his closing remarks: The Audi's R-tronic gearbox isn't as good as the Porsche's PDK or the Nissan's flappy paddle gearbox. If you want an automatic supercar, then get the GT-R (which beat your precious Turbo). If you are a petrolhead and buy a manual transmission, then you'll have to find another video which compares a manual 911 Turbo and R8. If you are a fan of automatics, than god help me, you are not a petrolhead.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"If you are a fan of automatics, than god help me, you are not a petrolhead"
again you confuse opinions with facts. nobody gives a flying fuck what you think about manuals vs semi-autos.
good job on making yourself look like a fool again mr. einstein the scientist.
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture If you still think the Porsche beats the Audi, type in "Mercedes SLS AMG vs Porsche 911 Turbo S vs Audi R8 V10" and watch MotorTrend's video. They unanimously agree that the R8 V10 is the best supercar in its price range. Then, type in, "New 2008 Porsche Cayman" and click on Autocar's video. The same organization that made this video declared the Cayman the best car Porsche makes.
marshknute 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture If, after reading all of this, watching the aforementioned videos and (hopefully) doing some research of your own, you still think that the Porsche is better, then so be it. You are entitled to your opinion, just as every Porsche/BMW/Apple/etc fanboy is.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
LOL reading all your shit hurt my brain, was funny though.
"The R8 pulled .01 g's more than the 911 Turbo and .02 g's more on the figure 8"
"0-60 (which nobody does in real life"
yep, people dont accelerate hard off a red light with their sports car at all. they do slide around skidpads all day long though. what a biased tard.
and .01g lol, thats insignificant. you're either ignorant or the real figure was .1g which would mean you cant even get your facts straight.
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture Please don't tell me you are that ignorant when it comes to car statistics. I bet you also think a 10th of second is an insignificant amount in a 0-60 time. Real car fans know little performance advantages represent huge differences. Anyway, I said that the Audi out-handled the Porsche, to which you said, "the last part of that statement is so fucking retarded," so I pulled out some statistics to prove you wrong. Don't be a baby about it, you lost fair and square.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"Please don't tell me you are that ignorant when it comes to car statistics"
HAHAHAHAHA
since you like "maths" so much, do you realize 0.01g in a ~1g car = ONE FUCKING PERCENT of the grip it has? are you seriously being dumb, biased or desperate enough to claim it matters? especially since its g figures are just a small part of what handling includes as a whole? shit dude you make me wanna change my retard of the month award to a retard of the year.
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture Have you offered a single statistic yet? No. Your only remarks are, "this flaw doesn't matter, that flaw doesn't matter, the Audi's better statistics are irrelevant, and all the world's car reviewers are wrong." How can you call me biased when you have unfailingly ignored every statistic and professional verdict i have cited? You will never listen to logic, scientific findings or professional advice unless it supports your heavily biased opinions. Everyone hates a fanboy.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"You will never listen to logic, scientific findings"
that little elitist attitude of yours is gonna make me piss my pants in laughter. you're fucking 20 years old and im doing a thesis at the moment, so dont even bother using the word science.
just from what you think a fact is and how you go about gathering info and making conclusions... its pretty clear you dont have a fucking clue what having a scientific outlook on things means anyway.
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture How can you possibly be working on a thesis? I've noticed that in addition to our own conversation, you are carrying out identical conversations on music videos, boxing videos, car reviews, etc. You have no life. Anyway, you are still ignoring evidence without offering any of your own. How can you write a thesis without evidence? You need to research your topic and report your findings in a non-biased manner.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"You need to research your topic and report your findings in a non-biased manner"
lol you're one to talk about bias. see my two previous comments.
and you know what, the audi might be better, or it might not be. i dont even know or have an opinion and i COULDNT CARE LESS. you seem to forget that this convo started with me criticizing your dumbass for saying incredibly stupid shit like "looks of car X are objectively better" and "a flat 6 isnt exotic but a V8 is".
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture How can I take you seriously as a grad student when you make comments like those below? You haven't offered any evidence for me to compare to my own because you are too busy making ludicrous insults. I would like to talk to you as an adult, but so far, have been the only one of us two to try to do so. Also, I find it hard to believe that your 2-3 years of additional life have made you as infinitely knowledgeable as you claim to be. Where did you study to gain that much wisdom?
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"Your only remarks are, "this flaw doesn't matter, that flaw doesn't matter, the Audi's better statistics are irrelevant"
project much retard? i'm not the one whos ignoring that the porsche has a better 0-60...
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture I acknowledged that fact several pages back. The Porsche has 1 win. The Audi has better performance figures in the skidpad, figure 8, 30-70, braking and power output. The Audi has 5 wins. Couple that to the subjective professional opinions of car reviewers, and I must conclude that the Audi is better than the Porsche in more categories than the Porsche is better than the Audi. Therefore I prefer the Audi. That said, I prefer the Cayman to the R8 and the 911.
marshknute 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture Is your only counter to indisputable evidence a phrase like "how can you be that stupid?" I don't appreciate arguing with people who are uneducated on the topic. If you are educated on cars, I invite you to demonstrate that. If you can't offer evidence to back up your claims, please don't say anything. BTW, comments accusing people of stupidity never work in your favor and only serve to portray you as an immature individual who has nothing worthwhile to bring to the table.
marshknute 1 year ago
@marshknute
"indisputable evidence"
yeah like +1%g on the skipad = better handling? nice fucking evidence son. LOL you're so fucking dumb its unreal.
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@marshknute
"Is your only counter to indisputable evidence a phrase like "how can you be that stupid?"
i told you to look at a video didnt i? a video WHERE THE AUDI GETS BY THE PORSCHE AROUND A RACETRACK? i guess you cant even read now on top of being incredibly stupid.
argue that result mr. einstein the scientist. i'm gonna have fun reading your answer.
joyfulvulture 1 year ago
@joyfulvulture I am still waiting for: 1: A reason why I should buy the Turbo over the R8 V10. 2: A reason why I should buy any 911 over a Cayman S. Show me you can argue your opinions or I will no longer continue a conversation with you. Honestly, it's like talking to Obama about stimulating the private sector: he (you) lacks sufficient knowledge to offer any worthwhile advice.
marshknute 1 year ago
so with the padles do you have to use a clutch still?
OZpodster 1 year ago
smth I've just noticed. In the 911, the paddles move along with the steering wheel, when in other supercars (ferrari etc) they stand still.... Isn't that more...practical?
NtGism 1 year ago
The pdk gearbox is truly amazing. Go drive one, its the best dual clutch gearbox around, especially in daily driving. Pretty damn amazing how civilized it is, and then you mash the gas and all hell breaks loose instantly.
a96bimmerm3 1 year ago
what an awesome car but.... "very best of luck noble"????? thats nearly a kit car mate
powersliding 1 year ago
This 911 turbo goes for $160k, I just purchased the previous model for half of that price. There is something different about Porsches, beautiful cars.
vetteburna 1 year ago
It has been a dream car of mine. And it will be dream car of my son. NO DOUBT.
hms888 1 year ago
Maybe after the house is paid off.
AmericanCritiquer 1 year ago
dont change the shape...thats the staple. but at least update it a little. looks like the damn 2002.
adulby 1 year ago
GTR!!!!
mrbenyong 1 year ago
@mrbenyong not as fast as this new model with its optional extras round the nurburgring... but still extremely impressive car ... for a wannabe datson ;)
randombloke10 1 year ago
@randombloke10
to be fair, the GTR seems to have posted times faster than the 911 turbo. and seems like in many outright races GTR still seems to put in better lap times.
BUT
0-100 911 better (coz gtr's gear box has problems)
maybe in an endurance race the gtr will slowly lose out bc of its weight and tire wear? i think its very possible that gtrs finish up tires faster.
overall i think the 911 turbo S might have a chance 2beat the gtr.
if u saw a race 1 v 1 that da 911 won pls post a link
mrbenyong 1 year ago
What's wrong with a 40 year old design? It worked for 40 years and will continue to work for a long long time.
UnSaintLike 1 year ago
today, how much would this model cost?
koolkev116 1 year ago
@koolkev116 £105000 standard with the PDK and torque vectoring and their electromagnetic ride (to get it to 60 in 3 seconds flat) £117000~ and for carbon ceramic brakes are an extra £5000 ... expensive .. yeah
randombloke10 1 year ago
@sup3rcars
because you dnt wanna be known as that "asshole always in his lambo"
camsac 1 year ago
I love the green one... :D
M110danny 1 year ago
@sup3rcars- yes old 911 were a handfull in the wet, but bad? I can't agree. Old pre VW lambos were unreliable, inpractical, poorly assembled, thirsty and generally unusable as an everyday car. The 911 has always been a usable practical, durable car, probably the best car ever made. I recently drove a 997 c2 pdk and was blown away, it's easier to drive than a civic.
sashko091082 1 year ago
The 911 is awesome. this 997 leeoks a lot like the early car. Lets hope it doesnt change too much
911myporsche 1 year ago 3
@sup3rcars I know someone who had an 03' Murcielago and the damn thing was always being sent back to get fixed. What also sucked was that the warranty is only a 2 year so once you run out, its ridiculous to fix. Not to mention the clutch and brakes needed to be replaced at 16k miles and that was about 20k.
disbsam333 1 year ago
great review. this is what top gear used to be
foxhounduk2k8 1 year ago
@sup3rcars Yeah a Lambo will get you much more attention but it's not an everyday car like this. If I was a multi millionaire then I'd get a Ferrari, but for an everyday drive you can't beat this.
thrillamf 1 year ago
The Porsche 911 Turbo is a realistic car to have. It has Ferrari performance but you don't have to worry that it will break down often or that someone is going to key it.
thrillamf 1 year ago 2
@BLIZZARDIBLO YOUR absoulotly rigth yeah the egein is in the wrong place BUT because its on the complete back its bang on the rear tyres and give more traction. the 911's gets the best tracton AND one of the most soffistaceted systemes in the wolrd THAT is why the 911 's are the best
flyguy111222 1 year ago
ii hate paddle shifters
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radioattack 1 year ago
ohh so ein ähnlicher is in New Moon!
Sienchen1000 1 year ago
correct Steve.... pretty much unbeatable.... but it's still a porsche.... not a Ferrari.... haha.. where all the short coming of having no turbo at all... but just listen to it especially when u go thru a short tunnel..... Nothing beats a ferrari.....
koukiR32 1 year ago
except a porsche
jwilms11 1 year ago
@koukiR32
GTFO, how can you be so ignorant to say nothing beats a Ferrari, plenty of Porsches smoke Ferrari's all day long.
Blitz3086 1 year ago
LOL.... wow...some people just need to relax...... I mean... you could like whatever you want.... and so do I.... and personally I'll prefer Ferrari over anything that looks like a squashed VW Beetle.... oh wait... Porsche got huge deficit and now owned by VW.... nice...... LMAO
koukiR32 1 year ago
@koukiR32
Porsche makes more money then Ferrari, and it least they aren't owned by FIAT. I have nothing against Ferrari, but anyone who says one car manu. is better then the rest just because they look better, is just childish. Its like saying the NIssan Titan is the best truck because its bigger and has more Horsepower.
Blitz3086 1 year ago
LOL.... It's not only it looks better.... it's also the drive as I am sure you've never driven both..... perhaps a lowly 924/944 variant? In which I've driven the 997 Turbo and F430..and to me power from a straight line means nothing.... what you get from the Ferrari is the amazing engine sound that rev's and rev's.... and cornering grip and balance there's no way the Turbo can compare?? So your comment pretty much means nothing.... yeah they are owned by Fiat.... but also they have a huge
koukiR32 1 year ago
@koukiR32
Well I guess we'll agree to disagree. But I've never understood why engine sound means anything to people. But at least you're a Ferrari junky and not a Vette or Aston Martin type. I cant wait to see some comparisons thought the new Italia though...
Blitz3086 1 year ago
Line up including all race inspiring Alfa Romeo and Lancia... both have hugh racing heritage.... as for VW?? TDI anyone? BORING and ugly too... if I am spending that kinda money I'd want something with Pinnifarina designed and hand crafted leather interior.... etc.... anyways...what does it has to do with Nissan anyways? funny that you mentioned it that Steven sutcliffe in another comparo test with this 911 Turbo vs GTR and the GTR is still king your love of your life Porsche new Turbo. LOL
koukiR32 1 year ago
@koukiR32
Jesus Christ, we get that you love you Ferrari's as mush as your husband, but come on, why do you think they only compare the GTR to 911's? All sports cars are compared to 911's because they have always had the bench mark in performance. If you recall, Nissan set out to beat the 911, not a Ferrari, so what does that say? So if they can beat a Porsche, they can beat a Ferrari for sure. BTW FYI, the new 2010 Turbo, can you guess what the zero-60 was clocked at? 2.9 seconds.
Blitz3086 1 year ago
The reason that the comparison don't have the Ferrari F430 is because it's been out forever and the new F458 Italia is not out yet? Simple. As I am sure all car mag will compare the three when it's here later in the summer. not to mention price wise it's not even worth the test, simply because Ferrari is much higher sticker price which is why it's so special cause not a lot of people can afford one. Status quote ya know? I know you love your porsche as much as ur husband too...
koukiR32 1 year ago
@koukiR32
Also, the 458 Italia uses a Dual Clutch System, where you do think they got that idea from? Sure as hell wasn't some sweaty Italian who thought of that one...
Blitz3086 1 year ago
yeah and so what? You telling me all Porsche parts are from Germany? Come on don't be so naive...... LOL
koukiR32 1 year ago
@koukiR32
Of course it would, Germany was #1 in the world in exporting machinery parts a couple of years ago, you don't think that the same stuff they export they would use for themselves? HOw can you say price wise its not worth the test? Almost every car the GTR went against and beat in a lap time, it was the cheaper car. Sticker price has to do with economics and supply and demand, not because they only cater to rich people. And, the Double Clutch System was created by Audi/VW btw.
Blitz3086 1 year ago
@Blitz3086 the dual clutches transmissions were developed by Porsche (PDK) in-house in the 80's for the 962 racing cars. Due to Porsche Volkswagen close Colaboration since ever...the Audi quattro Rally car also used the PDK.
BLIZZARDIBLO 1 year ago
@BLIZZARDIBLO
You are correct, but I was making a point that Ferrari is using their idea.
Blitz3086 1 year ago
@Blitz3086 i have read your posts and i have to say that.. you are teaching the boys!
I think it's funny when some say the porsche has the engine in the wrong place and then they always win comparisions and races against cars with central engines and v8, v10 engines...and of course with it's little 6 cylinder engine...This only shows one thing very clearly.... The porsche has the best handling and the engine where it should be!
:)
BLIZZARDIBLO 1 year ago
@BLIZZARDIBLO
I totally agree. What I think is funny is that when people like to drift in a car, like a corvette, aston martin or something, they have fun with it. But when the porsche decides too drift, its a car thats out of control and hard to manage, like the GT2. I think people who complain about a porsche sliding its rear, have only driven bitch cars they're entire lives.
Blitz3086 1 year ago
@Blitz3086 it's true...the porsche are dificult to control in drift because they are very direct and have very traction and to control the car we must feel it correctly and be very fast with steering...i'ts like a cart, if you let it go in excess you lost it but if you have capabilities to drive this type of cars then you get a extreme fast car cornering...but this is not for kids that want toys to spin wheels easly...it's made to be driven not to drive the driver...like most are used to...
BLIZZARDIBLO 1 year ago
i don't understand they keep adding some shit that is not new and put out cars like this is new porshe or ferrari , btw last fri was so gay and they stole lambo style fuck ferrari bitches
samalhoodman2 1 year ago
That car makes my todger tremble..
turnerflux 1 year ago
"Best of luck Ferrari, best of luck Mclaren.."
That says it all, now doesnt it? :)
InStyleDK 1 year ago
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InStyleDK 1 year ago
If I am fortunate enough to afford a super car in the future, I would definitely get the 911 Turbo. I like creature comforts and practicality, even in super cars. The only contenders to the 911 for practical super cars are the Audi R8 V8/V10, Honda NSX and the Corvette range. Lambo's and Ferrari's are garage queens most of the time. I want to drive my car every day, so no GT3/GT3 RS...even though they are technically better on the track. I drive a 400hp 335i now and I LOVE Forced Inductions.
akburst510 1 year ago 3
Turbo S is here now with over 530 bhp at 6250 rpm ;-)
Nemo13535 1 year ago 20
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I couldn't live with that styling. Especially from the front it looks awful, like a yellow frog. I don't care how fast or economical it is, that styling and that interior should put everyone off.
emilianus12 1 year ago
nah, you're talking like you've seen yourself in the mirror or something.
Jamzkangster 1 year ago
Why do our British friends always mispronounce the name?
houseguy4 2 years ago
@houseguy4
We don't - it's just that "bloke"
Tj930 1 year ago
"you're probably thinking it looks just like the old porsche 911 turbo. Wrong!" Erm, no Steve, it does LOOK just like the old 911 turbo, regardless of what mechanical differences there are. If you're going to try and pull of stylish journalism, do try and get it right.
dhale750 2 years ago
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They should have made it fwd and saved some weight!
MrW4ippy 2 years ago
True sports car= 3 pedals, 6 gears. So much more fun to drive!
conorJones 2 years ago
@conorJones amen
Bitchassscott 2 years ago
It is a very nice car, but I mean after 40 plus years the same design, I mean.. well you catch my drift. I just cant credit Porsche all that much, eventually it just gets old, Porsche 911 was my fav car since I was 4 but now, somethings got to change. Its like their afraid if they cease production of the 911 thats it, although with that fuck ugly Cayenne and Panamera it just might be.
samimalmstrom 2 years ago
i think its funny how they wont give the cayman more power because they know it will piss all over the 911. so instead they are jus stubborn and stick with their ridiculous (although they have done amazing things with it) rear motor design.
seriously240 2 years ago
o really ?
scratchy996 1 year ago
I don't want the shape of this car to change. Ever. And I'm not alone in feeling that way.
BassPlaysMe 2 years ago 88
@BassPlaysMe Exactly. I mean, if the car stays the same for the next 10 years, when hopefully I will be able to afford it, I still wuoldn't give a damn :-D In fact I'm quite afraid of the changes, now that Porsche is under VW... Let the others hate the Turbo, I don't mind. The only thing that matters is how does it drive :) And it certainly doesn't look bad, i like the new rear lights
Jury1111111111 1 year ago
i like the old grey wheels better.... the new maybe lithgter but the old ones is better loking.
999kav 2 years ago 2
The PDK (Dual Clutch) is very fast and smooth as hell when shifting, and the rear engine mounts are better then the old. Truly an amazing car.
Jackj28 2 years ago