Chest Flies or No Chest Flies ???

[paragan]

Hey Luimarco i injured my left shoulder too,how did you recover from yours??

[S7R31F]

a pump exercise

[YouTumult]

Dude, you need to focus more and get to the point.

[geoff5001]

lui are you from montreal?

[loneTUBE87]

@luimarco Big fat belly. I do have good muscles as i have been an athlete all my life. Got a serious shoulder injury. Now it is fine. I have started to eat right and started gym. Please give me some good points how to loose this fucking belly fat i hate this shit.

[rainxxxx]

yer cant shape muscles, you can only build them up!

[ezcondition]

i luv flies, they give you that burn across your chest. feels great.

[DXrazvan]

i just hate flies ! i feel them only in my biceps and chest none. i think thats why you have a big biceps and a smaller triceps.

[korey2011engelmann]

Lui why do people say that flies dont work since there more of a isolation exercise?

[elementFknRandom]

People please answer, what's the name of the hat he's wearing?

[brrrrvd]

@elementFknRandom its called a beanie cap

[HooligannSTR]

A couple of weeks before watching this video, I started doing flies with every chest workout. Even though it didn't feel like it gave me any pumps (felt more like stretching, as you said), after less than a month I see a huge difference in how wide my chest is. Awesome exercise.

[Thes1ngleLife]

Keep it up bro out of all my muscles I always struggle w my chest but your explanation makes a lot of sense

[vbnrtyfgh]

BAD genetics.

[brrrrvd]

@vbnrtyfgh i suppose your the perfect god figure aye? why dont you upload a vid of your body and then we will judge who has bad genetics

[vbnrtyfgh]

@brrrrvd i would be happy to play with you on that youtube thing, but i don't have time to do so and i can assure you there is no chance for comparison. you know, sometimes it boils down to your genetic make up. you either have it or you don't. OK?

[rainxxxx]

@vbnrtyfgh it ALL boils down to your genetics, fancy exercises will lead you nowhere!

[vbnrtyfgh]

@rainxxxx i have known many people who exercise thrice as much as i do and have exactly the body shape as me. YES, fancy exercises are key and i don't want to argue against that, as it will lead nowhere.

[rainxxxx]

@vbnrtyfgh they can be good to shock the body or just a change around, but thats about it

[Znasdaddah]

both look the same

[TheSleepingMoth]

twinmuscleworkout baby

[spicnspan11]

DAY LEE

[renemaciasful]

whats an "eggersize?



[Ewahl91]

I think I fully understand your idea here and I agree with you 100% :) Great video mate keep up the awesome work!

[UnderCoverStrongGirl]

Whats your ping

[comperko]

I dont see any use of flies.As he said they are definitely not mass builders which I agree,but there is not such thing as "shaping" or "toning" exercices because you cant change the shape of your muscles.

[e1nino85]

Hey Luimarco, how you doing?? Soz man so are you recomomending to do flies or not?? what exactly do you recoment.....PS. chest has been my weakest and slowest growing muscle :(

Thanks :)

[J3Wn4life]

I find doin em gives u a ripped inner chest

[qarchy]

You remind me of GSP, ufc fighter. :)

[tizzytozz]

do them, it brings out more on your upper chest.

[Frederick0220]

Both the left side and the right side look exactly the same.

[eastcoastjordan]

I don't perform chest flies anymore. /watch?v=oL1LtT5bwuE

[zCmDx]

i will start doing flies more often, i did flies yesterday and went more heavy (i dont do them often) today my pecs feel more sore than they would without doing flies

[mcpanth]

Liu, what do yu consider light weight for flies? 20 , 30, 40?

[604josh]

In the left pic it looks like you have cancer bro.

[TheConnor2792]

Ian McCarthy, listen up - 0:22

[McFitNovoline89]

be careful with flies they are a great exercise but can hurt ur shoulders pretty bad, dont go down too far, thi fucks up your shoulders. flies are my fave chest exercise.

[TheSilentBodyBuilder]

check out my channel all nat

[BeatsOnALeash]

hodge twins call them "bitch flies" hahaha

[ScoobysDisciple]

so..........flies or no flies? lol

[simobgbgbg]

I have bigger DOMS in my chest when I do incline chest flys than from doing anykind of chest pressing! Why the hell is that?

[onetao8]

When i began training i only did pressing movements. My chest only really got big once i started doing flys and i did high reps (3 sets of 16). One of my friends has a elbow issue which makes pressing movements painful so he only does flys for the chest and his chest is decent (yes his triceps are small). Ppl need to realise their are many different ways to get to the top of the mountain. I have another friend (from my MMA gym) who never uses "weights" and he is big, strong and shredded.

[fateisnear925]

hey lui im 15 when i do dumbell press i do 40s but when i do flys when i do 20 it hurts my shoulders and its not cuz my form what do u think it is

[helloiamthecoool1]

man you inspire and motivate me! where are you from though? and what part of Canada are you from? thanks

[num1ubernacht]

ok lui, so i was thinking about this video for a while now and i was thinking maybe you filled out more when you stoped the flys because your body got used to the flys and when you introduced something diff which your body was not used to it so it increased size its not that the flys dont work its just ya know your self you have to change your routine to keep getting bigger fool them muscels. you owne them they dont owne you (irish fan)

[leonytigre]

Lui u da man man

[TheShnitster]

looks like your forearms are fallin behind bro

[adityajuneja7]

what about incline chest flys?

[going4X6pack]

i don´t get it , is he saying that i should stop with the flys or not ?! answer please

[luimarco]

@going4X6pack do them

[going4X6pack]

@luimarco  okey , thanks man :D !

[astrobinge]

@going4X6pack he's saying use flys if you want to be more defined and shape your muscles more.

No flys will give you more size.

Hope this helps!

[LongboardIsland]

Bruce Lee ftw. 

[emericaordie15]

should i add isloation exercises to fix unbalnces muscles? simple yes or no would helpp

[latin0prid3]

@emericaordie15 no, depending where the imbalance is

just do compound movements ie. push ups, bench press, shoulder press

[BigJsExtremeFitness]

Great advice brother. 

[MrPhillinholes]

Luimarco what do you think of hemp protein?

[SwayzeDre]

thanks for the advice Lui! i noticed flies don't really build mass in my chest. i thought i was just doing the exerciser wrong, not enough weight, or it was my genetics :o

[NickFccuk]

Lui you're all about natural bodybuilding but how come the pictures previewing your videos are always roid heads?

[SwayzeDre]

@NickFccuk he does it to attract viewers, obviously :)

[turbanless]

thanks lui!!!

[teakey]

You look much younger and better all around looking in your videos now that in the left picture. Not a fan of it at all and it might be your no tan, no facial hair but even your nose looks bigger on that left picture.

[pathfinderdude08]

Wow Lui, It looks like the symmetry of your abs improved despite your pecs reducing in fullness

[luimarco]

@pathfinderdude08 lol impossible to fix that Symetry thing on the abs bro ;)

[pathfinderdude08]

@luimarco It must be lighting or something then.

[DJRomeoV]

@luimarco surgery...everything is possible

[SinisterSkip]

@pathfinderdude08

abs symmetry = genes. It's where your muscles connect to your bones. You can't train it.

[pathfinderdude08]

@SinisterSkip Ok, thanks!

[OuraMagz]

lui, check out on facebook the "no bullshit bodybuilding" page, there bashing on your bicep peak video, check it out!!

thumbs up so he can see please!!

[luimarco]

@OuraMagz irrelevant my friend, they can bash daily who cares, as i said that kid will never ever remove his t Shirt to show his mediocre physique! he is full of hate and grief because he wishes so hard to be a bodybuilder but he can't even if he lives 2 lifetimes ;) God gave him just brain cells and no muscle cells ;) so as per say he is a nobody, his hate just proves that he is an immature juvenile , we are bodybuilders and we show our physiques ;) DAILY

[OuraMagz]

@luimarco haha true that brother!!! i think im bigger and stronger then he is and im 15!

[jonmaster5000]

@luimarco where r u in canada cuz im in ontario and have no snow

[MaxReilly1]

4:27 is the best part

[anjan200001]

sensical = sensible lmfao nice vids bro! :D

[Duhludden]

Shaping huh....

[SmartAus]

I've got a question for Lui, or someone else if they have the answer. I've been going to the gym for about 3 months now and I'm a big guy, about 6 foot 6 inches tall and around 225 lbs. Does have longer limbs, such as arms, effect how much you can lift to some extent? I've got friends who are smaller lifting right up there with me and I had a strength and conditioning teacher tell me that those who are taller with longer limbs should be lifting less.

[Lazyboi69r]

@SmartAus I'd say you should just lift what you can manage and not limit yourself due to your size; but I guess some exercises can be more difficult for people with long limbs as there's a greater range of motion.

[kelly980]

@SmartAus I'm the same height as you. The weight I lift compared to others doesn't even enter my mind. As long as I'm lifting as much as I personally can, I don't care. Having said that now that I think about it, it seems i can do a bit lighter on 'pushing' exercises whilst my 'pulling' exercises tend to be a bit heavier.

[kevinmejia13]

did them today . i throw them in once in a blue moon

[WhiteMoonLights]

are you saying flies made ur chest smaller? whats ur point?

[Kemikalija88]

I wish this video would have been made earlier :( Been doing flies as my main chest excercise for some months now.

[crazymike1706]

Marco, you used the wrong word. Flies is English for braguette/mouches.

[LibertyThePK]

hey lui. ian says u have no imperical evidence and therefore are wrong. He also used some other technical words that i cannot recall. thank u.

LOL..

[randomtnt]

I tie my penis with a dumbbell and start to swing it right round, i call this excercise "Penis flies" :D

[Raedwulfiggie]

Flies are a thoracic exercises, and were never intended to be used with heavy weights! :P

[RoathRipper]

Flies is spelt 'Flyes'.

[EpictheEpicest]

If you check out the guy that does videos for AthleanX.com, he is an athletic trainer and quite well built himself. A while back he did a video explaining how flies mechanically work the muscle that connects shoulder-to-bicep and not the chest as much as presses. He said they are unnecessary and could lead to injury with heavy weights, since then I have stopped all flies and my chest is getting better

[ShareThaWealth]

Hey Lui how long have you been training for ?

[swiftfighter94]

@ShareThaWealth ever since he was around 21

[armadoflores]

lui, tu entiendes espanol???

[Blackpearlsi99]

i think flies are dumb and arent necessary IMO, i call em shoulder snappers lol im jus worried about building mass and gettin bigger not so worried about detailing muscles untell later on.....but hey thats my opinion u can do whatever the fuk u wanna do guys !! TMW !

[Damithe909]

@Blackpearlsi99 what does IMO mean?

[Blackpearlsi99]

@Damithe909 in my opinion (IMO)

[ediot6969]

Adding flys helped me gain strength in my wide grip bench press.

[999pa911]

buit flys creat tention and muscle build on tention so you should gain mass

[MrBlackmore94]

had a sixpackshortcuts ad at the start didnt see the skip advert sign and thought that i had subscribed to that dickhead by mistake 4 a sec

[Metalloid87]

The hodge Twins have a wide chest, yet they despite flyes & never do them. I believe its a genetics thing more than anything else. we have VERY little control over shaping our muscles. Just my openion

[Ssjakuma85]

Heyy lui jus wanna say first off yur a vry fit and knowledgeable trainer but yur forearms are a lil lacking. Any reason for tht or jus genetics? I'd like to build my forearms too.

[khanriza]

i think it was Goethe's quote, not Bruce Lee's.

[steven288]

every exercise is as its maximum intensity in one of three positions, the stretch, the mid-range, or the contracted position......

stretching muscle fascia is an important element of muscle growth;

flys - stretch position

bench - mid-range position

cable crossovers - contracted position (is the toughest)

but, you dont need 20 sets of each, 1-2 sets of each is fine

[steven288]

@steven288 - .... biceps - incline dumbbell (stretch position is maximum), standing barbell (mid-range), concentration curls (contracted position),

triceps (dumbbell behind the head - stretch position), dips (midrange), press downs (contracted position)

i.e. in one of those three positions, the movement is its toughest

[sweetypie000]

i had a body like that till i took an arrow to the knee

[SOGGRAB]

I difference in your chest between the two pictures looks like it has more to do with Bodyfat and lighting.

I highly doubt omitting such an exercise like DB flies will deconstruct your chest....

[AtoZyzzyva]

I no like flyes.

[Vazkulator]

any person at all that gives the finger to any of the basic exercises, fuck those people 100% forever. damn how lost id be without chest flies

[samyish]

You should work on your forearms. They're too small for the size of your upper arms

[SnapCity1]

@samyish He injured his wrists when he was young.

[Carljoakimmm]

isn't the shape of your muscles are determined by your genes?

[gabrielvidalgomez]

Can i have a good chest by doing only push ups?

[SnapCity1]

@gabrielvidalgomez A lot of people have developed great physiques by just doing pushups and pull ups and dips, a lot of people dont think you can build muscle solely by doing pushups, but I beg to differ. As long as you constantly challenge your self you muscle will grow, if possible, try and throw a backpack on with a bag of sand in it to add some resistance.

[kombatcookie]

Lui, when you do flies with dumbells there is not much contraction at the top of the movement in the chest, but if you do them with cables there is a massive contraction at the top of the movement. So my question is this; Are flies not considered a mass building exercise because you dont get the contraction in the chest, at the top of the movement like you do with pressing movements? And so if you do them with cables you are likley to build mass ?

Thumbs up so he can see pls.

[LibertyThePK]

@kombatcookie multijoint compound movements = mass builders

[luimarco]

@kombatcookie actually i don't like that squeeze at the top. am looking for the max tension when the muscle is fully stretched . i hardly ever do continuous tension exercises. i find them not beneficial.

[RAWmennTv2]

Thumb up if Luii Marco is your BEST FRIEND online !

[NEONATOR1]

i'd like to have such a "patetic" chest.

[AADeZigns]

I always do push ups and then go straight to flyes with no rest. It feels great. Then I get on the bench press.

[Terreos]

So lui would you recommend exercises like Dumb bell press and push ups for chest building?

[julioxxx0]

your left choulder?

[engin8392]

you should let your beard grow, it makes you look badass!

greets from berlin

[ShaxAMV]

If I start doing flies, will I get whiter?

[LostCauseJoel]

Lui, do you do chest flies on all 3 positions? flat, incline and decline?

[ActionCutter]

lui, aside of the size of your chest, have you also experienced a strength loss?

[TheS3NS3Y]

@luimarco can you please answer the question.. How can you grow and not gain any fat? Looks like you are on the juice. Like the other guy said. :'(

[TheS3NS3Y]

I dont know man but i still think the best exersice for chest is all different forms of pushups. I increase the intensity by addindg aleast 40lbs to a book bag or more reps. The exersices mentioned here are nothing but sholder snapers to me. Just my opinion

[taperek1]

take photos in the same light bro its not good in different light

[leongraaf]

bitch flies :DD you will gain all kinds of injuries man

[FuzedBodyb]

Finally a good result fron flyes! Thank you lui.

[CIarKent]

my left bicep was always bigger than my right even before i started training.

both my biceps are much bigger now than before but the left bicep is still bigger than the right.

should i train my right bicep more than the left?

[Kamkuru1]

@CIarKent Depends on what size you have now, are you real big already? Than you should train as you do usually, but leave out the last few exercises for your left biceps. Are you not that big yet, keep on training both arms on the same intensity and the difference will eventually minimize. My left tricep was bigger as my right, just trained both arms because i wasn't big and the difference is barely noticable anymore ;)

[TheNaturalLife74]

eryDay

[marcuslb95]

Hey lui, just wondering if you do anything special for your biceps or just regular curls?

and also how many sets and reps do you do?

[elwin504]

lui, what do u think about the pec dec machine , because i cant really feel my chest working doing normal chest flies. However, after doing pec deck flies , my chest definitely burns.

[turdrhinofiend]

Interesting, Steve Holman and Jonathan Lawson from X-reps speak about the three ranges of motion principle (contracted- concentration curl, tricep pressdowns etc, stretch- incline dumbbell curls, overhead tricep "french" press, midrange- barbell curl, skullcrusher) would you agree with this concept then? do you incorporate crossovers for training the chest in the contracted position?

[ziggyzaggy12341]

Hey Lui. I hate machines. So I wanted to know if just by doing the bench presses and flys is it possible to get that line in the middle of the chest or is the cable crossover the only way to get that line?

[luimarco]

@ziggyzaggy12341 close grip will Certainly work that area as the Dumbbell presses will do as well

[tjobtjobtjob]

@ziggyzaggy12341 lower body fat percentage will also do the trick :P 

[ziggyzaggy12341]

@tjobtjobtjob

Thanks for the tip :D

[Nessaik]

@ziggyzaggy12341 better do incline db presses, it will stretch like hell

[NotoriousRID94]

Does anybody know a good alternative to flyes that shape the chest in the same way? My shoulders snap crackle pop when I do them :(

[luimarco]

@NotoriousRID94 Rest and heal ;)

[callumslim94]

@NotoriousRID94 cables or chest dips?

[FlekkeD]

@NotoriousRID94 Try doing this: put the movable flat bench in the middle of your cable system machine, put the hand grabs on the bottom and lift the same way. Try doing that, it's different but the same :D

But do it after your rest and heal as Lui said :)

[NotoriousRID94]

@FlekkeD Definitely will try this, thanks for all the advice everyone :D

[ADTT71]

@NotoriousRID94 Try Peck-Deck.

[MrPacinci]

@NotoriousRID94 a similar chest workout to the dumbbell flyes is the butterfly deck.It can strech the chest the same way as the dumbbell flyes workout.And if  you shoulder is snapping it is probably because you don't warm up correctly(if you warm up at all).

[Metalloid87]

@NotoriousRID94 People claim that flyes widen your chest because of the stretch them put on the Pecs. So does Pullovers. Both of which are risky exercises that I hate to do because they hurt my rotator couff. Yeah Yeah, I know, pro bodybuilders do them, BUT we dont take all the supplements they take to support these exercises. I found that at the end of my chest workouts, a stationary stretch of the chest gives me a better stretch, with fewer risks, + bonus for better recovering!

[boby6]

@NotoriousRID94 make sure your hands never go below your chest. Have a slight bend in the elbows to make sure they drop below and not your hands. Also cables are great as it forces you to contract a lot harder and control it the whole way. Main thing is go slow and focus on deep squeeze rather than high weight

[phoLegit]

@NotoriousRID94 machine flies

[spartaco784]

hi Lui, how should we calculate the body fat %??

[luimarco]

@spartaco784 DEXA

[redevil4evaa]

good advice lui

[lrdmrkry]

what i want to say is that i always thought that flys help to open up the chest and give it a better shape i even feel that it do my chest good more than even bench press. i guess i`m aswell obssessed with flys.

[lrdmrkry]

i do them on both dumbbells and machine i as well go for heavy weights but i mind the shoulders because yeah it does hurt the shoulder but i do it really slow specially when i`m open up so i can feel the maximum i can go and where i have to stop and i keep i strong grip on the dumbbells, now some days i can not keep that up it depends on how strong my body feels or not, if i felt unable to control those heavy weights i go back to lite ones like 25 or 30.

[savestheday88]

@luimarco you should have done the pics cold, not after your chest workout. All this proves is that you had a bigger pump with the flies. If I understand correctly, you did at least 2 sets of flies with high reps and low weight, giving you a lot more pump in the first picture.

[bigpaul45]

Salutations from India lui! i have a question u said you healed from a shoulder injury how long did it take to heal, did you have to do rehab exercise i also got a minor shoulder injury 

[LookAtMeNow450]

i aint doing no bitch flies

[12321johndoe]

mmmh... but, do you have any peer reviewed empirical studies to back this up?? :)

[omreg123]

you can't shape muscles - and there are not different regions to the chest, its just one medium sized muscle.

[soosi4soosi]

lui ? how come that u grow and u dont put some fat in process ?

u r not bulking then cutting

I noticed that U just grow and no obvious fat !!!

its like u r on juice !

can u tell us plz ? :)

thx and keep going bro

[fantscheck]

dude, how can you claim that there is anything like shaping exercises? the principle is always the same : you destroy the muscle and as a reaction your body repairs your muscle fibers -> they grow.

the shape of the muscle is a given from you birth on, otherwise every bodybuilder would be able to reach perfect symmetry.

of course you can develop for example your upper chest more, but thats because it's a different muscle than you have in your inner chest.

just saying, not hating.

[luimarco]

@fantscheck if you still think that you can do whatever and it will eventually give you your optimal sweep, peak, contour etc,,,, good luck! but yes you are entitled to your own opinion, i just don't agree with you, just like i did not agree when Levrone said so, but i've put his claim to the test and now i know that LEVRONE was right, you can shape your muscles

[ienjoymodels]

@fantscheck jimmy??? is that u?

[fantscheck]

@ienjoymodels did you realize that luii actually answerd in a educated and smart level, and was able to back his argument up. whereas you come up with this retarded comment. i don't even know why you care about my comment.