i love how religious people just take for granted there is an afterlife, they just need to sort out the details about it: which god you eventually get to meet, how many virgins you get if you've been good, and who is gonna torture you if you've been naughty.
It seems odd that nature can "design" the Turritopsis Nutricula jellyfish. It doesn't matter whether or not a god exists. The fact that a species like this can emerge from the "big bang" makes nature even more mysterious and bizarre. Maybe there is an afterlife. who knows?
@FallofDarkness55 Nature doesn't design anything. There is no plan. Also, life didn't come from the big bang directly. Evolution and Big Bang Cosmology are two different things.
@WhosAsking03 First of all I was using the word "design" in a metaphorical context. Secondly, evolution and big bang cosmology are not entirely two different things because there has to be a larger framework or "reality" that encompasses all the branches of science. Some theists call this "reality" god and atheists call this "reality" the unknown.
@FallofDarkness55 Atheists don't call "reality" the unknown. We know a lot about reality. If you mean to say that Theists use god to fill the gaps in human knowledge, then I agree.
@WhosAsking03 I'm talking about the "reality" that caused the universe to come into existence. We don't know what that "reality" is so yes atheists including me call that the unknown. Theists fill that gap with their gods.
@FallofDarkness55 no need to make it more mysterious than it is. i mean, we have science which has explained how evolution works. the fish did not come from the big bang. it came from previous, simpler life forms which were subjected to a combination of random mutations and the changing pressures of the environment - natural selection.
@topperheartramada that jellyfish is the only immortal animal and that's my point. it seems odd that something so bizarre can indirectly emerge from the big bang.
I'm an atheist however I'm not going to be arrogant like these dipshits. The fact of the matter is everything we know about "reality" and the brain is "real" to us. So when the brain "dies" and the pineal gland is activated, what is really happening? No one alive knows this question and don't pretend like you do. I'm open to the possibility of an afterlife.
there's a pretty simple explanation for these guys on their atheist program - the majority of them are homosexuals desperately wanting to excuse their perverse lifesyles - the nature of atheism is that evil always want an excuse to exist - talk about a first cause for atheism . lol
@Murdulo - ha ha - not quite - just fed up with bold assumptions that atheism is correct when everyone knows - it's an excuse to drown yourself in a sexual ocean of no accountability. come on admit it...lol
Car has done his job, your car has been driving you where you should be, it fulfilled its purpose but now it's gone. What happens next? You went to the saloon car and choose the new vecihle what will serve you for certain number of years. But YOU do not die...
...He needs to maintain, regular examination by a mechanic (health care). And so you drive your car to ten, twenty years (the human body is 70-90 years), your car already has some mileage, some faults that are no longer even to repair and easy to go out (death).
But why do you think you would die and those who drive a car (soul)? Simply you just reconciled yourself from the fact that the car (body) is no longer drivable.
God is also spiritual as creator and materialistic as creation. But also God is also creation, so the universe itself is god, so we are in god, and god is in us as living force. God it is infinite, and we are also infinite, but as souls not bodies. Living in human body can be easily understood by driving the car. The feeling of excitement and joy when you buy your first car ... you sit behind the wheel and you start driving (birth and first year of life). cont...
@denomolous No, he was a theist. A lightning bolt fell near him and of course, he interpreted that as divine will. Bearded man in a toast = god, nature = god, cosmos = god, etc. etc. If reason worked on believers, there wouldn't be any believers.
I think we need a word for people who don't believe in ANY supernatural things, not just a god.
That way you can seperate the people who don't buy any supernatural claims, like myself. From people who don't believe in a god but who DO believe in reincarnation, afterlives, ghosts, psychics, mystical energy beings in ufo's an other such stuff.
@ibidydo But like Matt said, is that YOU or just your bodies contents being recycled? That wasn't US when our DNA was being formed from primates. I wonder if there is a soul, would it be as uneducated when you died, especially if you died as a newborn?
@clipsryan everything has to start somewhere if it is reborn into another life what ever that may be. i mean natural selection proved by darwin hasnt stopped at the most complicated species. further more as long as there is a never ending universe there will be never ending answers to life
@ibidydo That's probably why people bought into religion so quickly. It doesn't take as much effort. My personal answer to life isn't why we're here (which is subjective), it's we're here and it's more enjoyable to make it as painless and fun as possible.
@clipsryan its upsetting to hear how many "religous" people use religion to gain power and popularity. but for every group whether they be religous political etc there is always a majority who spoil it for everyone else
@ibidydo To be honest, in most religious groups, the majority don't follow their supposed source of morality and truth but their reputation is still negative when you realise how fake their fellowship is. It's a goo thing but should open people's eyes to realise the whole thing is irrelevant.
The only "straw" left to grab here, is the consciousness itself. The YOU.
Personality shifts or memory loss don't matter this much in this question, because at the end, there is the consciousness inside that perceives it all from its own perspective. It has the brain to build up on in terms of data like knowledge, memory or habits, but there's still this "you" there that experiences it all.
Insane people believe and perceive things that aren't there, yet they ARE to perceive them.
The question of afterlife is mainly, whether this consciousness, this YOU, will continue to be after the brain and bodie have died of.
With the "downloaded" or parallelly experienced memories of the brain, or without. With some instant knowledge about existence, or without. Freed of all restrictions of the brain incl. memory loss or personality whims, or bound to live in some kind of limited, imaginary world.
One could say just as there's the "hard problem of consciousness"...
and the "weak problem", one could say there's the "hard question of afterlife" in terms of this consciousness of yours continuing to be (think, feel and perceive as possible additions), and the "weak question" about how much of your memories, or personality, or emotions, or ability to think etc. you might retain or lose or gain should that be the case.
But that's all "warm and fuzzy" hogwash, and completely unfalsifiable just like Deism. What is, however...
... falsifiable, is the view that the consciousness is bound to the brain.
An occurrence of someone reporting confirmed events without having any way of observing them, be it while completely alive (remote viewing), or dead (with zero brain activity), would falsify this view.
A number of independent reports in that direction, would strenghten this falsification.
And the best thing is, each of those reports would be completely falsifiable in terms of independent confirmation.
The only other "scientific" option of gaining any insight in this, is obviously the location of the actual consciousness in the brain, which to my knowledge hasn't been accomplished yet.
This is all something I'm very interested in and am determined to research to the best of my ability. But while I'm careful about superimposing my wishful thinking and exterior impressions (such as fictional stories, movies, NDE testimonies, etc,) on what could be, should the basic premises...
of materialism be falsified, I guess it gives me an excuse inside my head and during weaker moments, to hold to some sort of warm and fuzzy "what if", even though I realize it could be anything and my imagination can't possibly live up to the reality, should it be one.
Love the two callers - they realize their place, and have an awesome sense of self-irony. They understand their supernatural views are faith-based and aren't try to impose this faith on the hosts. /approve ;)
another scenerio is the multiverse (any one of the four propounded by Max Tegmark) if the multiverse exists then it seems all kinds of arrangement of atoms are out there including the rare ones where people live indefinitely or are randomly ressurected.
I am an atheist but I see one or two scenarios where one can be an atheist materialist and believe in a plausible afterlife. I agree when you die biological functions stop, consciousness ends and identity ceases. But there are ways it these things can come back. if our conscious identity depends on biology which depends on the way atoms are arranged then bring back that arrangement and you've bought back the person. If the universe continues forever it will happen randomly after many eons.
@arklowrockz I've always loved the phrase, but let's be honest.... After enough wine the lies get bigger and better by the minute, lol "yeah, I've got a little row boat I like to go fishin in when the weather gets nice..." -Three hours and two bottles later... "Did I ever tell you about my yacht?....."
@KingArthur13th For that belief to be reasonable there would need to be a way for your mind to actually exist independent of your brain. Seeing as your mind is a product of your brain and your brain dies with you, believing you can still dream without a brain is as baseless and irrational as believing in a bearded old god who cares whether you have a foreskin.
@mandrellian When people believe they will live on spiritually, they don't need brains. You're looking at it in a this world reality. Sure, dreaming without a brain is impossible, but according to christianity, your body dies off but your "soul" lives for ever. Might want to correct yourself. ykwis
I think the whole heaven hell afterlife nonesense is really only useful to people who have crappy lives now. I have yet to meet someone who was well of and happy who was an evangelical fanatic, christians in the upper and middle classes of life tend to be a lot mor elaid back about the whole thing. Not to generalize, just my experience. But seriously, who wants to go on living in an afterlife where all their accomplishments and deeds of their existence are made meaningless?
@MetalCatharsis And even in the best case scenario of heaven, I don't want to work towards happiness in my life only to find out after i die I'm doomed to an eternity of some boring garden where loinclothed hippies run around smelling flowers petting lions and eating fruit and where everything I've done before is unknown and all the recognition I worked to earn is gone. And i'm not even going to mention the reincarnation bullshit because that's just retarded, dead is dead and I like it that way
@MetalCatharsis But that is not what heaven is like at all. No one knows how "heaven" looks like, not even the Pope. I am a theist because of experiences and from what I know, you wont have the body you are in right now, it wil be nothing like this reality, you will have no pain, death loneliness, fear, hatred and will be happy somehow for an eternity because God is a being of love and when you are with him/it, you will understand things pristine and know your purpose... or so I read
My opinion is similar to David Hume who gave greater credence to metempsychosis or reincarnation than the supernatural models indoctrinated by orthodox Christian Faith such as a Heaven or a Hell. I am not at all absolutely certain of reincarnation but at least it is far closer to biological reality than winged supernatural angels.
BTW I am yet to be convinced that any of those anecdotes of near death experiences proved any evidence of a supernatural spirit realm.
There's some evidence for an afterlife. People who have been in comas with no measured brain activity have reported having memories and thoughts during the coma. The brain might work in ways that we cannot yet measure.
Since there's no measured brain activity, but an observed thought, it is evidence for dualism. I don't think dualism is true, but that is evidence in its favor. I think there is still brain activity going on, but the machines aren't measuring it accurately.
@TheFlanker35 That seems a more likely explanation yes. Another would be that the coma patient, in the process of "waking up", attributes memories to the coma period due to the inevitable brain damage that coma victims suffer, or perhaps even from their brains firing back up. We know dejavu is caused by the brain hiccuping, I don't see coma memories as anything more than that.
The memories are certainly evidence of something, but an afterlife is one of the least likely explanations IMHO.
I don't believe in an "actual" god, because I don't believe in anything that exists that is not subject to the universe's laws. However, I do believe in some type of afterlife for many reasons including the fact of information that makes up our mind, our brain, goes somewhere. Also, the dead live on in their works and in the memories of other people.
The religious belief that this life is some sort of test or trial we are all given in order to prove whether we're worhty of some heavenly reward has to be one of the most idiotic aspects of religion. How sad that so many people place restrictions on themselves and willingly submit to psychological slavery with absolutely no evidence its even necessry. What a waste of life. The only life
I kind of get what these people are alluding to. However, the question still remains. Is it things they believe in. Is it just things they just know, why? Because they just feel it, or is it out of actual knowledge. None of these things are due to actual knowledge, so believeing in these things is redundant and hypothecy. It's useless.
@canuckman87 Most of them i bet are made up to sway people into believing in their bullshit! The hell experiences are made up shit designed to scare people!
Not to mention Nasa Astronauts in centrifuges experience Near Death Experiences all the time. They can be induced from lack of oxygen to the brain. They also differ from area to area and always fit the religious beliefs of the people themselves. To say a NDE is anything BUT the brain freaking out at death is utterly ridiculous.
We can and have tested NDEs as well and I love that. Person who is on near death bed is told that if they die and are resurrected that during the death there will be a sign placed beside the bed with writing on it. Since a lot of NDE experiences deal with out of body/seeing body dead and see everyone looking over you well you could read the sign and prove it. Well no one has passed that test yet.
I've become quite content with the idea that my consciousness will be gone once I die. It would be nice to think that I will see my friends and family after I die, but I'm fine with this finite life.
Something else may happen, but who really knows. Love life. Love one another. Don't let fear blind you.
I'd like to hear from a person who drowned in really cold water, who experienced the mammalian dive reflex. They inhale the cold water, and are dead, but the cold water they inhaled prevents brain damage, and they can be resuscitated.
I as well. I think as atheists, this sort of things demands some serious study, rather than a bunch of money-grabbing, fear freaks trying to sell their pseudo-science on the world. That said, I rather like watching Ghost Hunters. It's a fun show. lol. In any case, like the SETI program, I think this demands serious and critical processes. Rather than trying to prove that Ghosts exist, I think they should be looking for evidence for and against paranormal activity, mostly against.
"But as many as receive Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name" (John 1:12).
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:8-10).
The Bible speaks of three heavens. The first is the atmosphere around the earth, the second is the sun moon and stars, the third heaven is the presence of God. However all three of them will not pass away. The Scripture makes it clear that sin entered only the first and second heaven, not the realm of God. God's realm was untouched by sin and remains perfect. The physical universe, however, has to be renewed. Therefore it is the first and second heaven that will be changed.
This discussion is essentially about dualism, an unsupported claim. However, at least it isn't self-contradictory, like the belief in an omnipotent being.
Also, perception itself has been observed to alter reality (double slit experiment). As we continue our experiments with quantum physics, we may actually find evidence of some kind of dualism or even an afterlife. However, the belief that this it is true or even probable doesn't currently have any supporting evidence.
I thought it was the act of watching. A sub-atomic particle can exist anywhere within an area, or wave of uncertainty, until it is viewed, which "collapses" the wavefunction and gives the particle a more definite point of location.
I don't understand the idea of applying this to whether or not an afterlife exists, though.
Well I wrote out a full comment and it never posted..so I'll just point you in the direction of quantum decoherence which is what appears to be happening in the double slit experiment when the detectors are added. -- It isn't due to the act of watching...it's how we are watching.
The Elegant Universe explains this and there's even a write up on it on wiki.
I also don't understand the relevance to an afterlife.
When Adam and Eve sinned the earth became cursed. God promised to destroy the old earth and make something new. The future home of the believer will be in the new heavens and new earth. After the final judgment, God will remake the present universe and form a new one - a universe without any remembrance of sin. Though the exact relationship between the old and the new is not entirely clear, it is clear that the new universe will be without sin.
Hey Valu777 I don't see how your comment is relevant to mine but no matter.
I've talked to you before about a bible verse you quoted that stated sorcerers would go to hell.
I said that they could avoid such a fate by casting a simple protection from divine magic spell. Now that got me thinking about how they could also try 'time stop', but that's a high level spell and I don't think all sorcerers know it.
What do you think? Personally I'd go with time stop.
its the loive of God that has hold of me made possible by the blood of jesus that speaks on my behalf to the father God Almighty who i canot go to on my own due to my fallen condition (i would be consumed)
That's your belief, not mine. I've already explained to you that I find religions to be nonsense so why do you think threatening me with blatant mythology would work?
I understand that you have convinced yourself that your magical deity exists despite the lack of evidence, just don't expect others to share your faith without bringing something demonstrable to the table first.
@valu777 religion is hate, religion is war, religions obscene, religions a whore! if satan and god are real, id rather go for satan. at least hes honest about being a homicidal maniac.
@valu777 unlike people who blindly accept religion, i dont base my beliefs on the 10 commandments. what i said is the result of evidence and logic. im not a satanist by the way im an atheist.
@valu777 are you serious? its not where do i start its where do i stop! there is literally not enough space on these posts to contain everything i could say. if you give me an anonymous email address ill tell you why atheism is logical and reasonable as soon as i get a chance to send you an email ill do it
@tyrtamus when you think about it there is a need for a law maker to set the laws of physics , prior to a big bang , other wise there cannot be a big bang ,,
There's not a single shred of evidence that Jesus even lived. Outside of your old book of fairytales of course.
Can you offer me any evidence for your unfounded beliefs in Jesus or his magic Father, who is also the magic Jesus, and a Holy Ghost all at the same time?
hah why do you guys always slam my book, i see how you atheist are, very rude and very dumb.
i bet you haven't read much of the bible
tell me, is it a fairy tell because you refuse to believe it, or you have actually took the time to look into it and did YOUR ON research, and not take what others say that match your philosophy to heart.
Just because your blind, doesn't mean the world is black.
just because your deaf, doesn't mean the world is silent!
@valu777 We have NO eyewitness accounts of Jesus' life. Even the side notes in my buy bull say that. The gospels were written anonymously and in the 3rd person. The church added the names in later, and, Mark, the earliest, was written around 65 AD. The original manuscripts have never been found. All we have are copies of copies of copies etc.....It is all hearsay like a big game of telephone, and we know what happens in that game! Your god is an inept communicator.
@valu777 The burden of proof lies with the one making the claims, meaning with you. You haven't proven anything because you cannot, nor can any other "christian".
actually christianity has different basis, many do not consider the ten commandments as law, but take Christ as Law.
but tell me this, why are you an atheist? I by the way am not condemning you for your beliefs but rather questioning them, i respect your views on life, and i would like your input on your views of life
Yeah that sorta confirms my point. Some Christians believe this some believe that. You yourselves cant even agree on your own faith. Every Christian I talk to has some different belief about Christianity. I'm an atheist because I simply do not believe in magic or fairytales. I've read bits and pieces about the psychology of religion and its all explained in simple terms. Religion is something people made up to escape death and to control the weak. There is no proof at all for any of it. Simple.
but the main reason we christians cannot agree is because there are different interpretations on the bible. It really that simple, and lets say you were right and some lunatic or lunatics wrote the bible, its still the most controversial book throughout the ages. So someone or some people knew what they were talking about down the line. but this isn't true because the bible is taken from the Truth, The Creator.
You say that the bible is the truth and the word of the 'creator'. Can you prove that for me? If you're going to make an extraordinary claim like that you're kinda obliged to support it somehow. I'm not sure what you're talking about when you compare reality to a fairy tale. Also, just because thinking god exists makes you feel better really doesn't mean he does exist. Life would be pointless with a creator. If life is eternal, why live it to the full?
and maybe we you are right about the bible being a fairy tale, but isn't no bigger of a fairy tale than reality itself. All humanity only exist through its past, if you are unable to remember what happened in the past, then you never really "lived it."
To me, a life without a Creator is completely pointless, honestly. but thats my opinion.
You know what I meant, and you're dodging. You're being intellectually dishonest.
And in regards to something you said to someone else, guess what? I've read the bible too. Don't go making assumptions. We've read the same bullshit you (supposedly) read and we see it for the nonsense that it is.
Dead On! One of the biggest selling points of religion is simply the promise that "You get to keep yourself." It's not that most of these people are deep thinking spiritualist who spend their time mulling over the philosophical meaning of it all, they are just scared shitless by the thought of giving up all their Stuff! So they act like they mean it and hope for the best. Some are sincere and think about it though, and often come to understand that it's just metaphor in the end.
@willowtreephoto - Everytime someone finds out I'm atheist they say "Why do you hate god?" THEN they usually move on to "So you don't think anything happens when you die?"
@willowtreephoto Yes, that's "just it". You should also explain to these egotistical morons that just a short time ago, before they were conceived, they also didn't exist. That was "just it".
I have many possibilities which I don't rule out, obviously everything with contradictions is automatically ruled out. I narrow it down though, to things that make more sense.
This is perhaps the only flaw I see with Atheism as a way of looking at the world. It doesn't provide any comfort to those who have lost someone. I, of course, will accept that when my family dies they are gone and I don't know if I will ever be with them again in some metaphysical form. Many people, however, cannot accept that. I have caught my mother saying some things that she believes in and I could only think the words "wishful thinking."
It's why Bhuddist philosophy and practice works for me. Aside from re-birth which has no evidence for it. Learning to accept things as they are is tough but it can be done as others have done it. It's a tough road but I think a worthwhile one. Any philosophy or practice that helps people to accept things as they are is useful. Just because religion offers solace, doesn't mean rational thinking can't. It's just not the easier answer, unfortunately. So I half agree but half disagree.
By evidence, no we can't sense an infinite number of universes but, the math we have developed to explain the universe we can sense seems to allow for others to exist. However, I will agree that denying anything that may be "tainted" by religion seems a bit too dogmatic to stand the test of reason.
Atheism does not claim to offer anything at all. So it's not a "flaw" that you cannot find comfort in atheism. There are many ways to find comfort regardless of wether you are an atheist or not. Theists and atheists have a lot more in common than people tend to think. We all find comfort in being with family and friends. An atheist can also find comfort in a funeral service. Rituals can give a sense of closure that's not necessarily religious. Comfort is so much more than just religion.
Besides, it's better to know the truth and be somewhat uncomfortable than to be ignorant and comfortable. The latter is what causes all the bigotry and hate violence in the world.
Next guy should be 6666
have fun... You monster.
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XplosivCookie 1 month ago
jellyfish are not immortal.....read up on WHY people say they are immortal...BUT actually jellyfish aren't immortal.
ether150 2 months ago
i love how religious people just take for granted there is an afterlife, they just need to sort out the details about it: which god you eventually get to meet, how many virgins you get if you've been good, and who is gonna torture you if you've been naughty.
topperheartramada 5 months ago
lol @ the one caller.... evolutionary reincarnation ftw
DataSe7en 5 months ago
8:23 = Nonsense
pompousprick 5 months ago
It seems odd that nature can "design" the Turritopsis Nutricula jellyfish. It doesn't matter whether or not a god exists. The fact that a species like this can emerge from the "big bang" makes nature even more mysterious and bizarre. Maybe there is an afterlife. who knows?
FallofDarkness55 6 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 Nature doesn't design anything. There is no plan. Also, life didn't come from the big bang directly. Evolution and Big Bang Cosmology are two different things.
WhosAsking03 6 months ago
@WhosAsking03 First of all I was using the word "design" in a metaphorical context. Secondly, evolution and big bang cosmology are not entirely two different things because there has to be a larger framework or "reality" that encompasses all the branches of science. Some theists call this "reality" god and atheists call this "reality" the unknown.
FallofDarkness55 6 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 Atheists don't call "reality" the unknown. We know a lot about reality. If you mean to say that Theists use god to fill the gaps in human knowledge, then I agree.
WhosAsking03 6 months ago
@WhosAsking03 I'm talking about the "reality" that caused the universe to come into existence. We don't know what that "reality" is so yes atheists including me call that the unknown. Theists fill that gap with their gods.
FallofDarkness55 6 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 no need to make it more mysterious than it is. i mean, we have science which has explained how evolution works. the fish did not come from the big bang. it came from previous, simpler life forms which were subjected to a combination of random mutations and the changing pressures of the environment - natural selection.
topperheartramada 5 months ago
@topperheartramada that jellyfish is the only immortal animal and that's my point. it seems odd that something so bizarre can indirectly emerge from the big bang.
FallofDarkness55 5 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 said " jellyfish is the only immortal animal"
I guess that all of those dead jellyfish I've seen on the beach must have been playing possum.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
@FallofDarkness55
And your point?
NUTCASE71733 4 months ago
I'm an atheist however I'm not going to be arrogant like these dipshits. The fact of the matter is everything we know about "reality" and the brain is "real" to us. So when the brain "dies" and the pineal gland is activated, what is really happening? No one alive knows this question and don't pretend like you do. I'm open to the possibility of an afterlife.
FallofDarkness55 6 months ago
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there's a pretty simple explanation for these guys on their atheist program - the majority of them are homosexuals desperately wanting to excuse their perverse lifesyles - the nature of atheism is that evil always want an excuse to exist - talk about a first cause for atheism . lol
whiteliketar 8 months ago
@whiteliketar And there's an even simpler explanation for your bold assertion about atheists: prejudice and fear.
Murdulo 8 months ago
@Murdulo - ha ha - not quite - just fed up with bold assumptions that atheism is correct when everyone knows - it's an excuse to drown yourself in a sexual ocean of no accountability. come on admit it...lol
whiteliketar 8 months ago
@whiteliketar I'm calling Poe's law on your bigoted comments.
Murdulo 8 months ago
@Murdulo i suggest you go drown yourself in some more sexual perversion...atheism allows it. lol...
whiteliketar 8 months ago
@whiteliketar Christianity too, many reverends and children inform us.
Murdulo 8 months ago
@Murdulo thats why we need to keep homos out of the church -they infect everything and rot everything from inside out. lol
whiteliketar 8 months ago
@whiteliketar Screw this. I'm calling Poe's law again.
Murdulo 8 months ago
Car has done his job, your car has been driving you where you should be, it fulfilled its purpose but now it's gone. What happens next? You went to the saloon car and choose the new vecihle what will serve you for certain number of years. But YOU do not die...
MrGlape 9 months ago
...He needs to maintain, regular examination by a mechanic (health care). And so you drive your car to ten, twenty years (the human body is 70-90 years), your car already has some mileage, some faults that are no longer even to repair and easy to go out (death).
But why do you think you would die and those who drive a car (soul)? Simply you just reconciled yourself from the fact that the car (body) is no longer drivable.
MrGlape 9 months ago
God is also spiritual as creator and materialistic as creation. But also God is also creation, so the universe itself is god, so we are in god, and god is in us as living force. God it is infinite, and we are also infinite, but as souls not bodies. Living in human body can be easily understood by driving the car. The feeling of excitement and joy when you buy your first car ... you sit behind the wheel and you start driving (birth and first year of life). cont...
MrGlape 9 months ago
@MrGlape God and souls do not exist. If you believe otherwise, prove it. If you can't, then you're only lying to yourself and others.
Murdulo 8 months ago
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ganados0 9 months ago
Matt said an electric shock can reset the brain. Is that not what happened to Martin Luther?
Look up Luther's Lightning.
denomolous 9 months ago 2
@denomolous No, he was a theist. A lightning bolt fell near him and of course, he interpreted that as divine will. Bearded man in a toast = god, nature = god, cosmos = god, etc. etc. If reason worked on believers, there wouldn't be any believers.
Murdulo 8 months ago
i thought the guy on the right didnt have an arm at first
bab1194 10 months ago
I think we need a word for people who don't believe in ANY supernatural things, not just a god.
That way you can seperate the people who don't buy any supernatural claims, like myself. From people who don't believe in a god but who DO believe in reincarnation, afterlives, ghosts, psychics, mystical energy beings in ufo's an other such stuff.
TheSkunkCat 10 months ago
if there was no life after death then we wouldnt be here and evolution would be a lie. because evolution is a better life form than the previous one
ibidydo 10 months ago
@ibidydo But like Matt said, is that YOU or just your bodies contents being recycled? That wasn't US when our DNA was being formed from primates. I wonder if there is a soul, would it be as uneducated when you died, especially if you died as a newborn?
clipsryan 10 months ago
@clipsryan everything has to start somewhere if it is reborn into another life what ever that may be. i mean natural selection proved by darwin hasnt stopped at the most complicated species. further more as long as there is a never ending universe there will be never ending answers to life
ibidydo 10 months ago
@ibidydo and evolution still happens regardless of death at an early age
ibidydo 10 months ago
@ibidydo That's probably why people bought into religion so quickly. It doesn't take as much effort. My personal answer to life isn't why we're here (which is subjective), it's we're here and it's more enjoyable to make it as painless and fun as possible.
clipsryan 10 months ago
@clipsryan its upsetting to hear how many "religous" people use religion to gain power and popularity. but for every group whether they be religous political etc there is always a majority who spoil it for everyone else
ibidydo 10 months ago
@ibidydo To be honest, in most religious groups, the majority don't follow their supposed source of morality and truth but their reputation is still negative when you realise how fake their fellowship is. It's a goo thing but should open people's eyes to realise the whole thing is irrelevant.
clipsryan 10 months ago
@clipsryan sometimes changes have to be made to groups mainly because otherwise riots and uprisings will start. plus not everything can be relevent.
ibidydo 10 months ago
The only "straw" left to grab here, is the consciousness itself. The YOU.
Personality shifts or memory loss don't matter this much in this question, because at the end, there is the consciousness inside that perceives it all from its own perspective. It has the brain to build up on in terms of data like knowledge, memory or habits, but there's still this "you" there that experiences it all.
Insane people believe and perceive things that aren't there, yet they ARE to perceive them.
twooffour 11 months ago
The question of afterlife is mainly, whether this consciousness, this YOU, will continue to be after the brain and bodie have died of.
With the "downloaded" or parallelly experienced memories of the brain, or without. With some instant knowledge about existence, or without. Freed of all restrictions of the brain incl. memory loss or personality whims, or bound to live in some kind of limited, imaginary world.
One could say just as there's the "hard problem of consciousness"...
twooffour 11 months ago
@twooffour
and the "weak problem", one could say there's the "hard question of afterlife" in terms of this consciousness of yours continuing to be (think, feel and perceive as possible additions), and the "weak question" about how much of your memories, or personality, or emotions, or ability to think etc. you might retain or lose or gain should that be the case.
But that's all "warm and fuzzy" hogwash, and completely unfalsifiable just like Deism. What is, however...
twooffour 11 months ago
... falsifiable, is the view that the consciousness is bound to the brain.
An occurrence of someone reporting confirmed events without having any way of observing them, be it while completely alive (remote viewing), or dead (with zero brain activity), would falsify this view.
A number of independent reports in that direction, would strenghten this falsification.
And the best thing is, each of those reports would be completely falsifiable in terms of independent confirmation.
twooffour 11 months ago
The only other "scientific" option of gaining any insight in this, is obviously the location of the actual consciousness in the brain, which to my knowledge hasn't been accomplished yet.
This is all something I'm very interested in and am determined to research to the best of my ability. But while I'm careful about superimposing my wishful thinking and exterior impressions (such as fictional stories, movies, NDE testimonies, etc,) on what could be, should the basic premises...
twooffour 11 months ago
of materialism be falsified, I guess it gives me an excuse inside my head and during weaker moments, to hold to some sort of warm and fuzzy "what if", even though I realize it could be anything and my imagination can't possibly live up to the reality, should it be one.
Love the two callers - they realize their place, and have an awesome sense of self-irony. They understand their supernatural views are faith-based and aren't try to impose this faith on the hosts. /approve ;)
twooffour 11 months ago
another scenerio is the multiverse (any one of the four propounded by Max Tegmark) if the multiverse exists then it seems all kinds of arrangement of atoms are out there including the rare ones where people live indefinitely or are randomly ressurected.
PETE1967THE1987FOOT 1 year ago
I am an atheist but I see one or two scenarios where one can be an atheist materialist and believe in a plausible afterlife. I agree when you die biological functions stop, consciousness ends and identity ceases. But there are ways it these things can come back. if our conscious identity depends on biology which depends on the way atoms are arranged then bring back that arrangement and you've bought back the person. If the universe continues forever it will happen randomly after many eons.
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pompousprick 1 year ago
The first caller is a "warm and fuzzy" atheist.
pompousprick 1 year ago
Great sign-off line!!! In vino veritas
arklowrockz 1 year ago
@arklowrockz I've always loved the phrase, but let's be honest.... After enough wine the lies get bigger and better by the minute, lol "yeah, I've got a little row boat I like to go fishin in when the weather gets nice..." -Three hours and two bottles later... "Did I ever tell you about my yacht?....."
skywize 11 months ago
I'm an atheist and my belief of an afterlife is once we die were just stuck in an endless dream that mind creates.
KingArthur13th 1 year ago
@KingArthur13th For that belief to be reasonable there would need to be a way for your mind to actually exist independent of your brain. Seeing as your mind is a product of your brain and your brain dies with you, believing you can still dream without a brain is as baseless and irrational as believing in a bearded old god who cares whether you have a foreskin.
mandrellian 1 year ago 2
@mandrellian When people believe they will live on spiritually, they don't need brains. You're looking at it in a this world reality. Sure, dreaming without a brain is impossible, but according to christianity, your body dies off but your "soul" lives for ever. Might want to correct yourself. ykwis
180sideswipe 11 months ago
I think the whole heaven hell afterlife nonesense is really only useful to people who have crappy lives now. I have yet to meet someone who was well of and happy who was an evangelical fanatic, christians in the upper and middle classes of life tend to be a lot mor elaid back about the whole thing. Not to generalize, just my experience. But seriously, who wants to go on living in an afterlife where all their accomplishments and deeds of their existence are made meaningless?
MetalCatharsis 1 year ago
@MetalCatharsis And even in the best case scenario of heaven, I don't want to work towards happiness in my life only to find out after i die I'm doomed to an eternity of some boring garden where loinclothed hippies run around smelling flowers petting lions and eating fruit and where everything I've done before is unknown and all the recognition I worked to earn is gone. And i'm not even going to mention the reincarnation bullshit because that's just retarded, dead is dead and I like it that way
MetalCatharsis 1 year ago
@MetalCatharsis But that is not what heaven is like at all. No one knows how "heaven" looks like, not even the Pope. I am a theist because of experiences and from what I know, you wont have the body you are in right now, it wil be nothing like this reality, you will have no pain, death loneliness, fear, hatred and will be happy somehow for an eternity because God is a being of love and when you are with him/it, you will understand things pristine and know your purpose... or so I read
180sideswipe 11 months ago
My opinion is similar to David Hume who gave greater credence to metempsychosis or reincarnation than the supernatural models indoctrinated by orthodox Christian Faith such as a Heaven or a Hell. I am not at all absolutely certain of reincarnation but at least it is far closer to biological reality than winged supernatural angels.
BTW I am yet to be convinced that any of those anecdotes of near death experiences proved any evidence of a supernatural spirit realm.
afterlife.
StGiordanoBruno 1 year ago
@4:50,
There's some evidence for an afterlife. People who have been in comas with no measured brain activity have reported having memories and thoughts during the coma. The brain might work in ways that we cannot yet measure.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
@TheFlanker35 Why would someone having "memories" from a coma be evidence of an afterlife?
Vaishino 1 year ago
@Vaishino,
Since there's no measured brain activity, but an observed thought, it is evidence for dualism. I don't think dualism is true, but that is evidence in its favor. I think there is still brain activity going on, but the machines aren't measuring it accurately.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
@TheFlanker35 That seems a more likely explanation yes. Another would be that the coma patient, in the process of "waking up", attributes memories to the coma period due to the inevitable brain damage that coma victims suffer, or perhaps even from their brains firing back up. We know dejavu is caused by the brain hiccuping, I don't see coma memories as anything more than that.
The memories are certainly evidence of something, but an afterlife is one of the least likely explanations IMHO.
Vaishino 1 year ago
I don't believe in an "actual" god, because I don't believe in anything that exists that is not subject to the universe's laws. However, I do believe in some type of afterlife for many reasons including the fact of information that makes up our mind, our brain, goes somewhere. Also, the dead live on in their works and in the memories of other people.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
Is matt snacking on host? HAHAHA
03veritas 1 year ago
The religious belief that this life is some sort of test or trial we are all given in order to prove whether we're worhty of some heavenly reward has to be one of the most idiotic aspects of religion. How sad that so many people place restrictions on themselves and willingly submit to psychological slavery with absolutely no evidence its even necessry. What a waste of life. The only life
nosajj12345 1 year ago
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Sam Harris believes that it is possible a persons consciousness might continue on after death (End of Faith, Paperback, pg 235)
Keysteeze 2 years ago
God cannot logically exist without being quite possibly evil.
Sydpart2 2 years ago 2
I kind of get what these people are alluding to. However, the question still remains. Is it things they believe in. Is it just things they just know, why? Because they just feel it, or is it out of actual knowledge. None of these things are due to actual knowledge, so believeing in these things is redundant and hypothecy. It's useless.
Domzdream 2 years ago
there is only one life no before life or after life you exist now and stop existing after death live life to the well
The0riginking 2 years ago 2
near death stories are bull...because that person didnt die now did they? Those are just hallucinations...or lies.
canuckman87 2 years ago 14
@canuckman87 Most of them i bet are made up to sway people into believing in their bullshit! The hell experiences are made up shit designed to scare people!
FallofDarkness55 9 months ago
@canuckman87
Not to mention Nasa Astronauts in centrifuges experience Near Death Experiences all the time. They can be induced from lack of oxygen to the brain. They also differ from area to area and always fit the religious beliefs of the people themselves. To say a NDE is anything BUT the brain freaking out at death is utterly ridiculous.
JamesCizuz 8 months ago
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@canuckman87
We can and have tested NDEs as well and I love that. Person who is on near death bed is told that if they die and are resurrected that during the death there will be a sign placed beside the bed with writing on it. Since a lot of NDE experiences deal with out of body/seeing body dead and see everyone looking over you well you could read the sign and prove it. Well no one has passed that test yet.
JamesCizuz 8 months ago
@canuckman87 I smell Propaganda!
HUNAdamus94 8 months ago
@canuckman87 agreed...I have dreams about being in the afterlife often. Dreams aren't real. And if your still on earth you never died!
lifelessorgangrinder 7 months ago
I've become quite content with the idea that my consciousness will be gone once I die. It would be nice to think that I will see my friends and family after I die, but I'm fine with this finite life.
Something else may happen, but who really knows. Love life. Love one another. Don't let fear blind you.
HiveDes 2 years ago
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your in for a big shock
check some near death stories on the tube
valu777 2 years ago
I've never held NDE to have much merit, considering, you know, the person doesn't actually die.
HiveDes 2 years ago
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there is cases of pplcoming to life in the morg
beleiveit your way thats why you have no chance in the judgement , supressing the truth , will land you in hot water --opps FIRE
valu777 2 years ago
I'd like to hear from a person who drowned in really cold water, who experienced the mammalian dive reflex. They inhale the cold water, and are dead, but the cold water they inhaled prevents brain damage, and they can be resuscitated.
TheSoSoAgnostic 2 years ago
I as well. I think as atheists, this sort of things demands some serious study, rather than a bunch of money-grabbing, fear freaks trying to sell their pseudo-science on the world. That said, I rather like watching Ghost Hunters. It's a fun show. lol. In any case, like the SETI program, I think this demands serious and critical processes. Rather than trying to prove that Ghosts exist, I think they should be looking for evidence for and against paranormal activity, mostly against.
bigbuse87 2 years ago
Atheists FTW!!
ArrogantAtheist 2 years ago 2
Matt Dillahunty, in particular, is one of those rare few individuals capable of the unrestrained exercise of reason.
borgimplant 2 years ago 15
It's uncanny, how emotion do not seem to effect his reasoning capabilities.
nospacesallowed 2 years ago
I would explode most of the times if I where in his place...
darkosminos 2 years ago
"But as many as receive Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name" (John 1:12).
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:8-10).
valu777 2 years ago
huh?
Dvalinor 2 years ago
The Bible speaks of three heavens. The first is the atmosphere around the earth, the second is the sun moon and stars, the third heaven is the presence of God. However all three of them will not pass away. The Scripture makes it clear that sin entered only the first and second heaven, not the realm of God. God's realm was untouched by sin and remains perfect. The physical universe, however, has to be renewed. Therefore it is the first and second heaven that will be changed.
valu777 2 years ago
get a new soapbox!
wiskawind 2 years ago
Ahh that seems like something i've heard before, but what does it have to do with the first comment you made?
Dvalinor 2 years ago
are you in GODS book of life?
valu777 2 years ago
Matt loves his sin and athiest religon but is always concerned with the creator our heavenly father the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY
valu777 2 years ago
@ valu777
since when did Atheisme become a religion? o.O
Dvalinor 2 years ago
since you have to beleive in your unbeleif
and preach to others
valu777 2 years ago
@ valu777
I don't see belief, and religion as the same thing. Correct me if im wrong.
Dvalinor 2 years ago
beleif and preaching sound pretty close to religion if you ask me
valu777 2 years ago
This discussion is essentially about dualism, an unsupported claim. However, at least it isn't self-contradictory, like the belief in an omnipotent being.
Also, perception itself has been observed to alter reality (double slit experiment). As we continue our experiments with quantum physics, we may actually find evidence of some kind of dualism or even an afterlife. However, the belief that this it is true or even probable doesn't currently have any supporting evidence.
somecomputergeek 2 years ago 3
"perception itself has been observed to alter reality"
I thought it isn't the act of watching, it's how we watch it.
We need to bounce photons off something the size of a photon, or run the photons past a detector which also interrupts the photon.
The photon isn't aware we are watching it so it acts differently, it acts differently because of how we attempt to watch it.
DistinctiveBlend 2 years ago 2
I thought it was the act of watching. A sub-atomic particle can exist anywhere within an area, or wave of uncertainty, until it is viewed, which "collapses" the wavefunction and gives the particle a more definite point of location.
I don't understand the idea of applying this to whether or not an afterlife exists, though.
HelplessVictim 2 years ago
Well I wrote out a full comment and it never posted..so I'll just point you in the direction of quantum decoherence which is what appears to be happening in the double slit experiment when the detectors are added. -- It isn't due to the act of watching...it's how we are watching.
The Elegant Universe explains this and there's even a write up on it on wiki.
I also don't understand the relevance to an afterlife.
DistinctiveBlend 2 years ago
When Adam and Eve sinned the earth became cursed. God promised to destroy the old earth and make something new. The future home of the believer will be in the new heavens and new earth. After the final judgment, God will remake the present universe and form a new one - a universe without any remembrance of sin. Though the exact relationship between the old and the new is not entirely clear, it is clear that the new universe will be without sin.
valu777 2 years ago
Hey Valu777 I don't see how your comment is relevant to mine but no matter.
I've talked to you before about a bible verse you quoted that stated sorcerers would go to hell.
I said that they could avoid such a fate by casting a simple protection from divine magic spell. Now that got me thinking about how they could also try 'time stop', but that's a high level spell and I don't think all sorcerers know it.
What do you think? Personally I'd go with time stop.
DistinctiveBlend 2 years ago 2
hi nice to meet you again
realy all that matters is Jesus
as the whole of creation was made for him
there is to be a new heven and earth
in the bible it has a time stop
any way all the best
valu777 2 years ago
Well Jesus might be all that matters to you, while for others all that matters is Muhammad.
As for myself I find both to be irrelevant and infantile.
I hope all is well in Australia and that you drop your obsession with blatant mythology.
DistinctiveBlend 2 years ago
thank you for your warm feelings
its the loive of God that has hold of me made possible by the blood of jesus that speaks on my behalf to the father God Almighty who i canot go to on my own due to my fallen condition (i would be consumed)
valu777 2 years ago
I should add that the self loathing that Christianity instills in people and its delight in blood sacrifice are just more reasons to avoid it.
My advice is to allow some knowledge to break the chains of dogma and faith that bind you.
DistinctiveBlend 2 years ago
its a waste of the precious blood of Jesus to turn back its the blood thats made all to be saved
valu777 2 years ago
Well it's your choice mate, best of luck with the blood and all.
DistinctiveBlend 2 years ago
valu777,
"its a waste "
It is a waste of time to read any of your comments on anything, as you are just a Jim Jones wannabe looking for KoolAid drinkers..
Keep your friggen death cult in your church!
wiskawind 2 years ago
Jesus Christ will be relevent to you one day
you will shake while they check the book of life to find your name missing
valu777 2 years ago
Valu777,
That's your belief, not mine. I've already explained to you that I find religions to be nonsense so why do you think threatening me with blatant mythology would work?
I understand that you have convinced yourself that your magical deity exists despite the lack of evidence, just don't expect others to share your faith without bringing something demonstrable to the table first.
DistinctiveBlend 2 years ago 9
Jesus Christ the king of Kings is Truth &is Life & is The Way to the father
God Almighty is a Consuming Fire his wrath remains on all who are un-converted & his judgements respect no person
The kingom is near to you get into it while you can .Call on the name of Jesus
(your total worth is $4.50 worth of chemicials do you think God Almighty will blink an eye casting you into the Lake of Fire)
valu777 2 years ago
Wow value7ess, you sure sold me on your god. You have to be a flawed human being to worship the god you describe.
TheSoSoAgnostic 2 years ago
"his judgements respect no person"
thats not a god i want to worship
MasterofDisaster17 2 years ago
@masterD God is righteous and fair that's the only way to be fair
every one treated the same
its your choice to be saved or not saved when you are sent to destruction you can not blame God as you have a choice
valu777 2 years ago
if he was fair he would not send people to hell for having a different belief system
actions are more important that beliefs.
MasterofDisaster17 2 years ago
@Masterof Disaster would you stay in a burning building because you don't like the fire ladder ?
valu777 2 years ago
@valu777 religion is hate, religion is war, religions obscene, religions a whore! if satan and god are real, id rather go for satan. at least hes honest about being a homicidal maniac.
ThePresident001 2 years ago
@THE president i accept your comments but can you say where in the 10 commandments there is stated what you claim?
valu777 2 years ago
@valu777 unlike people who blindly accept religion, i dont base my beliefs on the 10 commandments. what i said is the result of evidence and logic. im not a satanist by the way im an atheist.
ThePresident001 2 years ago
@THE president i accept your comment UPON you providing your proof and logic for atheism?
valu777 2 years ago
@valu777 are you serious? its not where do i start its where do i stop! there is literally not enough space on these posts to contain everything i could say. if you give me an anonymous email address ill tell you why atheism is logical and reasonable as soon as i get a chance to send you an email ill do it
ThePresident001 2 years ago
@THE president you can pm me on here if you wish
could you post just one solid proof for atheism
valu777 2 years ago
@valu777:
YOU make a claim, not me. You claim that god exists, but have no proof to back it up.
I simply state that I have no reason to believe in something that there is no evidence for, so I don't believe.
So YOU PROVE IT OR GTFO.
Tyrtamus 2 years ago
@Tyrtam there is proof the eye witnesses of Jesus death and Resurrection from the dead
that's enough proof for me what about you!
valu777 2 years ago
So the bible proves that god is real because god wrote the bible because the bible says he did.
Circular reasoning. Flawed logic. You fail.
Tyrtamus 2 years ago
@tyrtamus when you think about it there is a need for a law maker to set the laws of physics , prior to a big bang , other wise there cannot be a big bang ,,
question who pre-set these laws ?
valu777 2 years ago
@valu777
Sorry Mate! That's not true.
There's not a single shred of evidence that Jesus even lived. Outside of your old book of fairytales of course.
Can you offer me any evidence for your unfounded beliefs in Jesus or his magic Father, who is also the magic Jesus, and a Holy Ghost all at the same time?
No you cannot!!
Because it's all nonsense.
Cheers.
bigboy45454545 2 years ago
biggy boy g;lad to hear from you
try google for your answers
are you getting ready for this year its going to be big for the mountys
i was hearing that many rats are jumping the ship , ceos and gov officials
valu777 2 years ago
@bigboy45454545
hah why do you guys always slam my book, i see how you atheist are, very rude and very dumb.
i bet you haven't read much of the bible
tell me, is it a fairy tell because you refuse to believe it, or you have actually took the time to look into it and did YOUR ON research, and not take what others say that match your philosophy to heart.
Just because your blind, doesn't mean the world is black.
just because your deaf, doesn't mean the world is silent!
aslunku 2 years ago
@valu777 We have NO eyewitness accounts of Jesus' life. Even the side notes in my buy bull say that. The gospels were written anonymously and in the 3rd person. The church added the names in later, and, Mark, the earliest, was written around 65 AD. The original manuscripts have never been found. All we have are copies of copies of copies etc.....It is all hearsay like a big game of telephone, and we know what happens in that game! Your god is an inept communicator.
richwfd2002 10 months ago
@Tyrtamus
Or maybe you are blinded of the proofs, what basis or proof do you have that there isn't a god?
In reality you cannot, disprove God, for scientifically you cannot prove a negative.
i would like to ask you, have you ever heard of intelligent design or the anthropic principle?
aslunku 2 years ago
@valu777 The burden of proof lies with the one making the claims, meaning with you. You haven't proven anything because you cannot, nor can any other "christian".
richwfd2002 10 months ago
@ThePresident001
actually christianity has different basis, many do not consider the ten commandments as law, but take Christ as Law.
but tell me this, why are you an atheist? I by the way am not condemning you for your beliefs but rather questioning them, i respect your views on life, and i would like your input on your views of life
aslunku 2 years ago
Yeah that sorta confirms my point. Some Christians believe this some believe that. You yourselves cant even agree on your own faith. Every Christian I talk to has some different belief about Christianity. I'm an atheist because I simply do not believe in magic or fairytales. I've read bits and pieces about the psychology of religion and its all explained in simple terms. Religion is something people made up to escape death and to control the weak. There is no proof at all for any of it. Simple.
ThePresident001 2 years ago
@ThePresident001
well you maybe right in some instances
but the main reason we christians cannot agree is because there are different interpretations on the bible. It really that simple, and lets say you were right and some lunatic or lunatics wrote the bible, its still the most controversial book throughout the ages. So someone or some people knew what they were talking about down the line. but this isn't true because the bible is taken from the Truth, The Creator.
aslunku 2 years ago
You say that the bible is the truth and the word of the 'creator'. Can you prove that for me? If you're going to make an extraordinary claim like that you're kinda obliged to support it somehow. I'm not sure what you're talking about when you compare reality to a fairy tale. Also, just because thinking god exists makes you feel better really doesn't mean he does exist. Life would be pointless with a creator. If life is eternal, why live it to the full?
ThePresident001 1 year ago
@ThePresident001
and maybe we you are right about the bible being a fairy tale, but isn't no bigger of a fairy tale than reality itself. All humanity only exist through its past, if you are unable to remember what happened in the past, then you never really "lived it."
To me, a life without a Creator is completely pointless, honestly. but thats my opinion.
aslunku 2 years ago
Well initially I was going to say you can't disprove unicorns either, but you seem to understand that.
And yes i've heard about intelligent design. It's the renaming of creationism and complete bullshit.
And what of the anthropic principle?
Tyrtamus 2 years ago
@Tyrtamus
if you only criticize something without proof than i find that to be "bullshit" actually shah
and actually you cannot disprove a unicorn correct because they are actually unicorns in the ocean, yes i said it!
by pure definition the prefix uni is the latin word for one and the suffix corn, is the translated to the word horn
in the ocean there is a species of whales called narwhales, ever heard? if not google it bro, but they contain one horn
so next time scrutinize your hypothesis'
aslunku 2 years ago
You know what I meant, and you're dodging. You're being intellectually dishonest.
And in regards to something you said to someone else, guess what? I've read the bible too. Don't go making assumptions. We've read the same bullshit you (supposedly) read and we see it for the nonsense that it is.
Tyrtamus 2 years ago
@Tyrtamus
well im glad you read it and im sorry you didn't like it, but hey i respect your decision and i am not criticizing you there.
and yes i have read the bible, in fact i have studied it for about ten years now.
so if you got any question feel free to ask me, be glad to answer
aslunku 2 years ago
What do you think?
I am all for a time stop! LOL
wiskawind 2 years ago 2
get a new soapbox.
wiskawind 2 years ago
Dead On! One of the biggest selling points of religion is simply the promise that "You get to keep yourself." It's not that most of these people are deep thinking spiritualist who spend their time mulling over the philosophical meaning of it all, they are just scared shitless by the thought of giving up all their Stuff! So they act like they mean it and hope for the best. Some are sincere and think about it though, and often come to understand that it's just metaphor in the end.
KrudRepublc 2 years ago 3
Every time someone finds out that I am an Atheist, the first thing they say is "So you think when you die thats just it?"
willowtreephoto 2 years ago 24
@willowtreephoto I am an Athiest and am curious. What do you reply to such question?
03veritas 1 year ago
@03veritas Good Mood: I don't see any reason to suspect otherwise.
Bad Mood: No, I think I go to a magic spirit realm with bird-men.
willowtreephoto 1 year ago
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@willowtreephoto I am an Atheist and am curious. What do you reply to such question?
03veritas 1 year ago
@willowtreephoto - Everytime someone finds out I'm atheist they say "Why do you hate god?" THEN they usually move on to "So you don't think anything happens when you die?"
KaelaCarver 1 year ago
@willowtreephoto Yes, that's "just it". You should also explain to these egotistical morons that just a short time ago, before they were conceived, they also didn't exist. That was "just it".
ejdf870 1 year ago
2:37 - Gravitationalist!
EikC 2 years ago
Lol @ the end
Faustuss1 2 years ago
lol @ chuck
RationalTheism 2 years ago
Good ending to this video. ^_^
boss1001 2 years ago
I have many possibilities which I don't rule out, obviously everything with contradictions is automatically ruled out. I narrow it down though, to things that make more sense.
Nashy119 2 years ago
This is perhaps the only flaw I see with Atheism as a way of looking at the world. It doesn't provide any comfort to those who have lost someone. I, of course, will accept that when my family dies they are gone and I don't know if I will ever be with them again in some metaphysical form. Many people, however, cannot accept that. I have caught my mother saying some things that she believes in and I could only think the words "wishful thinking."
HiveDes 2 years ago
It's why Bhuddist philosophy and practice works for me. Aside from re-birth which has no evidence for it. Learning to accept things as they are is tough but it can be done as others have done it. It's a tough road but I think a worthwhile one. Any philosophy or practice that helps people to accept things as they are is useful. Just because religion offers solace, doesn't mean rational thinking can't. It's just not the easier answer, unfortunately. So I half agree but half disagree.
fortress7373 2 years ago
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So you'll believe in infinite no. of universes, which has no evidence for it - but anything related to religion you deny
how logical of you
RationalTheism 2 years ago
By evidence, no we can't sense an infinite number of universes but, the math we have developed to explain the universe we can sense seems to allow for others to exist. However, I will agree that denying anything that may be "tainted" by religion seems a bit too dogmatic to stand the test of reason.
dougwrightiii 2 years ago
Atheism does not claim to offer anything at all. So it's not a "flaw" that you cannot find comfort in atheism. There are many ways to find comfort regardless of wether you are an atheist or not. Theists and atheists have a lot more in common than people tend to think. We all find comfort in being with family and friends. An atheist can also find comfort in a funeral service. Rituals can give a sense of closure that's not necessarily religious. Comfort is so much more than just religion.
BamBasse 2 years ago
Besides, it's better to know the truth and be somewhat uncomfortable than to be ignorant and comfortable. The latter is what causes all the bigotry and hate violence in the world.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago 3
Many atheists are not entirely skeptic or logical.
bleunt 2 years ago
This statement is an example of anecdotal evidence. I know plenty of atheists that are concerned about making their arguments logical.