In my opinion, the Tong ending is the most aesthetically pleasing, as well as the one that completes the storyline and theme of the game: too much power over too much in too few hands. Otherwise the lesson isn't learned. Technology must always work for regular people.
you need to think bigger if all communications were destroyed don't you think that power plants wouldn't be functioning ? i mean the world is put into chaos
@SecretAgentC1ank Perhaps the power sources and stations need data information through a net to make the relay to get the power to the cities and buildings distributed, and thus the lights.
@Defenseman619 Education system is centered on an input/output process of info.Our success/failure depends on our efficiency of taking what teacher tells us & then regurgitating it on2 some exam. Those able 2 blindly regurgitate information the best R rewarded with higher grades. They R told they're smart when in fact they're just thoroughly indoctrinated. This input/output process is no different than what a computer or slave does.u give it a command & it just does it, w/out question. repost
"I never explained, after the collapse, when the cities are isolated, work will have only started...self discipline...a new moral philosophy...we have the technology...villages, small states genuine self-rule...find me JC, find me."
Jesus, no wonder every idiot is responding, my comment is up there with 9 likes. Believing in god/religion is a mental disorder. However, I do believe that I will enjoy this game when it comes out.
@thewolfPrince There is the warring aspect, yes, but I'd rather focus on the 'independent' aspect. The future of Deus Ex seems to involve corporations not only controlling government, but whole countries. At least the Dark Age ending suggests that, with the right men in the right places, leaders can emerge to rebuild a society and people will have a chance to better speak out. As opposed to entrusting rule to an autocratic elite, or a dubious sentient human/A.I. interface.
@charliec81 and how many people would die because of this to build a perfect society without technology consider how many people had to rely on technology and had technology built in the world would literally fall apart there would be no human race after this ending takes effect.
@thewolfPrince Technology shouldn't be a crutch. It became a crutch in Deus Ex when Man used it to rule their lives. Even today it is our crutch when a lot of us spend most of their lives on the Internet and technology (and I knwo I do so). But just take a quick look aside, and look at the people who can spend a day without having to rely too much on a phone or a comptuer. or the poorer aspects of our world that managed to get by with said technology.
@thewolfPrince I guess my point is that humanity shouldn't depend too much on the technology or progress. Man had existed for a long time without technology, and periods of regression like the Dark Ages always preceded a rebirth (like the Renaissance) Yes, some won't survive, but I think it's too drastic to say none would survive. It might even be freeing, when the office worker is freed from the technology that binds him.
tl;dr don't underestimate humanity. I'm sure we'll get by somehow.
@charliec81 Humanity can't be trusted and consider the generation of people in this game. They all grew up where everything was easy for them due to technology most will die because A. they have no experience or B. they are transhumans with so much nanotech in them once it stopped working they'd all die.
@thewolfPrince Not all the humans in Deus Ex were nano-augmented. The bums in the street hardly look like the sort to afford augs. besides, if they did have augs, they'd (a) have mechanical parts or (b) have the blue veins that indicate nanites. In fact, I think augemented humans in Deus Ex were a minority, with nano-augmentations a rarity. In the world of deux es, transhumanism was a path only for the rich.
@thewolfPrince They may be many, but I can't see how many (or even most) of them would be nano-augmented. The only people I think were augmented in the game were the ones who readily stated they were, whether its an older programme like Gunther's, or the newer programme of JCs. And, like I said, said office workers were imprisoned in their jobs. Visit Versalife again, and look at the slogans they put up to make the office workers work. With the Dark Age, perhaps they can have free thoughts.
@charliec81 Id rather be a slave to corporations than free with no boundaries for everyone. and as for free thought there was no free thought in the dark age it would be run by superstition and fear the world would be destroyed by said things.
@thewolfPrince You and I are two very different people. When people are slaves to corporations, and, when the corporations had their use of them, disposed of them like refuse. Go read about the water crisis in Bolivia when it was privatized under Bechtel.As long as there people who are ready to rise up and implement some boundaries, it won't be 'completely' free and there'll be some order. In my opinion, thats better than being a 'slave' to a corporation.
And yes, there'd be superstition in the Dark Age, but there's also superstition in the modern era. There were tales of rapture this year, and the Mayan prophecy next year. And in the game, even under such advanaced technolgoy, there was fear and superstition. At the same time, there is always some semblance of rationality. Geniuses like Da Vinci, Galileo and Einstein existed under 'said' dark ages, and were persecuted by supsersition, but they made progress. We owe to them.
@charliec81 true but would you have all they worked for be fore naught most knowledge in the world would be destroyed and besides this ending makes no sense there'd be backups for Helios to say the least so all he would have done was destroy the central unit.
@thewolfPrince Huh, you speak like there are no books. All knowledge stored on the internet destroyed ? Yes, and sure, that'd be devastating. No google, no wikipedia, no information highway for instant data.
But there's always the library, and there's always books.
Books (and newspapers) were strewn around in Deus Ex for a reason. The printing press existed way before the Internet, and even the Illuminati. In the new Dark Age, paper will play a role once again. Besides, Twilight reads books.
@charliec81 there were very few books in deus ex most information being stored on some form of electronic database all the printing presses were highly technological. Honestly I'd rather have the Illuminati rule than this ending.
@thewolfPrince Well, as I said to another person who favoured the Helios ending, thats your opinion. (and hes ready to admit that our choice of ending is based on what we think is right)
For me, I prefer the Tracer Tong ending, because both endings are either based on a lie, or subservience to a higher authority you can't really trust. But, with this ending, you can start from scratch. But who knows, and Spector did intend the ending you picked to be the 'canonical' ending.
@thewolfPrince I think it's the "real" ending at best. I can't see it as "good" because the game, through Paul and Savage, did say it was a bad ending. In short, all three endings were 'bad' in some form or other.
@charliec81 it was the best I'd rather be given the illusion of freedom than be openly oppressed by a non-human machine or thrown into a dark age from which humanity may never escape.
@MicroIce12994 it isn't actually electricity it's actually the networks (telephones, internet, communications ect.. the PS2 ending over-dramatized it.
@Ignuus66 Most power stations these days may run on closed systems, but in Deus Ex it's hinted that everything is networked, and why wouldn't it be? Reduce the human employment cost, save on insurance, savings on safety and security systems being compressed into one impenetrable layer rather than a framework of layers employees need to navigate.
You forget, Deadalus was everywhere in Deus Ex. Helios inherited that. Control was lost, safety shutdowns did the rest. No human element left to run it.
Helios ending: there is no proper freedom, it's monarchy all over again just with a less biased and much more powerful ruler.
Illuminati ending: A group controlls the world, a group that is imperfect, makes mistakes and is controlled by 1 man. It's a Monarchy with a very biased ruler that has less power.
Dark age ending: Total anarchy rages across the globe, humanity will probally lose 300 years of developement, with a slight chance a global social improvement.
@Ignuus66 Helios ending actually creates a "True democracy". Everyones mind is linked, so Helios deeply understand everyones opinion, and reasons behind that opinion, therefore technically everyone has a say in government, and since it is a machine, it has no self interests to fulfill, it makes decisions based on what the people want.
@skytop082 Not everybody is linked, its not like some hive mind that can tap into the minds of every individual. And ultimately, you can't please everyone, particularly interests that are mutually exclusive and don't have good workarounds.
@Ignuus66 To me, the Dark Age ending sounds the best, since it has a slight chance of worldwide social improvement, the other 2 options have no chance from the sounds of it, and 300 years worth of development loss would be a good thing too, man could get back to it's roots and learn to create better things.
@sonicmark87 I agree with you. In the other two endings, the player is effectively surrendering control of humanity to some higher authority that was previously predetermined. However, by removing, Man may have the chance to learn from those mistakes and undo it. Hopefully.
@13crazypeople yeah i know that but that would cause serious problems for the area. How did it not overload? Helios couldnt keep it under control because his systems werent connected with the power station.
@Sacuya Not really, there are a few other games that can produce philosophical debates too. Such as; Planescape Torment, BioShock, Silent Hill 2, Fallout 2, and I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream sparked some interesting discussions.
@uadfa well, Bioshock's endings are... lame when compared to Deus Ex ones. The story is good, but I played System Shock 2 before and was really disappointed with Bioshock.
@duhmzdaih The structure and plot are very similar, but the themes and most characters are rather different. But I agree with you when it comes to the endings for BioShock. Instead of exploring and criticizing Ayn Rand's objectivity philosophy, the story degrades to "objectivism iz an altruism iz goood!" message in the end.
@uadfa Indeed. You're right about the different themes in Bioshock and System Shock 2, but I found the one from SS2 deeper (according to the times of course). Objectivism is an interesting theme, and I think in Bioshock, not only in the endings, all the time is treated from a black and white perspective. SS2 has in my opinion "one" of the most interesting "villains" ever: "The Many". Shodan is a cool villain, but the game makes you wonder if the Many are really "evil".
Page would've been 1 man in complete control of the world - he had to be stopped:
Helios merge - AI in control - morals?
Illuminati ending - 1 man/group in control
Dark age ending - no-one in control.
You could argue the Illuminati ending is no better than had you not dealt with Page in the first place, whilst the dark age ending leaves the world in chaos (Tong is far too positive with his outlook).
The Helios merge is, if there is one, the 'good' ending as the AI should have no bias.
God exists and a drug induced illogical video game doesnt change the fact those who deny God are those who throw their lot in with hoaxes junk science irrational and illogical though and think magic assembled dna/rna nothing changes and new dna cannot "evolve" to add on to dna structures the dna must change destroying its original code and no it dont change, it is eiter destroyed or damaged, nothing new can be applied, "naturally" or artificially
@deltapunk21 God doesn't exist and a brainwashed man with illogical responses doesn't change the fact that those who believe in such hoax as a 'God' are the irrational,arrogant and think God created everything,but there is no logic in that except the one they made up in their mind.God is just one of many mind illusions of the homo sapiens through it's path of evolution which will,I sincerely hope,end up with global secular humanism as a point of view and atheism.
@xNealus If their 'logic' and 'truth' is something imposed on them from their birth(most Christians are Christians because of their family and society),then that is called programming or 'brainwashing',that is, an act done on us to impose the will of another,without our direct control.Now,regarding your argument you saw religious people going to high rated colleges,I know some infact...the logic aimed at their field of work works just fine,but the other crosses with their lifelong belief...
@13crazypeople wen u play deus ex 2 in the loading screen u see a comment saying that JC denton destroyed area 51, cant be true, guess the deveoplers havent played the original game XDD
@churchdudeman they used 2 endings, 1 is merging with helios and the other is destroying area 51, they didnt mention anything in second game about illuminate controlling the world. the dark age ending may not be true, if u play the last mission ( not saying u havent) u will find alex denton in the tank in area 51, if jc destroys area 51 then alex denton would be dead and he wouldnt be playable character in DX 2.
@churchdudeman they used 2 endings, 1 is merging with helios and the other is destroying area 51, they didnt mention anything in second game about illuminate controlling the world. the dark age ending may not be true, if u play the last mission ( not saying u havent) u will find alex denton in the tank in area 51, if jc destroys area 51 then alex denton would be dead and he wouldnt be playable character in DX 2. and btw who said they used combinations all 3 endings? who told u?
The thing people forget about the dark age ending is that with no communication between cites, countrys which cant support themselves without getting outside food, such as island nations, like japan and uk would starve. The islands like britian and japan cnt provide enough to hold millons of people. Also with no communication i imagine there would also be alot of looting, and with no way to contact police other crimes would soar
Yeah. When you think about it, Tong's really the last person on Earth who should have been pushing for this ending. I mean, Hong Kong is on an island, and it only thrives because of communications technology. All the manufacturing and other things that make China prosperous are on the mainland.
@WasLilChrisnowbigish I don't know about Japan, but the UK is perfectly capable of supporting itself if the land is used efficiently (which, granted, would not happen with the lack of co-ordination in the New Dark Age).
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Ok what the hell is this shit? The Dark Age ending in the PC version I always assumed that Tong's goal was to free the world from any sort of control however in the PS2 ending it almost seems like he wants to use the chaos to subject the world to his own rule? Why the hell did they need to redo the endings and the intro as these CGI monstrosities suck.
If it was their intention to make Tong look like he wanted control of the world for himself they could have at least changed the quote.
An example of the Illuminati's corruption (or general douchebaggery),in Everett's hide-out you can find the ex leader (Lucius Debeers) of the Illuminati kept alive in a cryo-pod.Lucius says Everett has told him he will be unfrozen when the technology is available,but if you speak to Everett again he tells you the tech has been around for a while,but has no plans to unfreeze him. He just plans to keep him in that state for his advice.Not the kind of person I'd like with huge power over the world.
@Seigfreid This was one of the first solid reasons I found to NOT ultimately support Everett! At the point that I found DeBeers and the truth surrounding him, I thought, well, yknow, not only is this Everett guy a bit of a dick, he would probably deem ME expendable too, after effectively doing his dirty laundry.
I find the use of the Thief font at the end quite interesting. Perhaps it refers to the coming dark age as the period during Thief? Of course, that's a little far fetched, but still, a possibility.
Just finished this game the first time on PC.I chose the illuminati path because i was unsure what would be the future of humanity if a new dark age becomes.
The Helios ending is merely a paradox dressed up as a solution. In order to have it begin working on improving humanity, you'd first have to tell it what that even means. Financial? Cultural? Artistic? Political? Which? What is prosperous isn't always artistic, and what is cultural isn't always philosophical. In between these concepts lies the fundamental core of the human condition: irony and contradiction. And to get rid of either is to miss the point of humanity entirely.
In my opinion, the Tong ending is the most aesthetically pleasing, as well as the one that completes the storyline and theme of the game: too much power over too much in too few hands. Otherwise the lesson isn't learned. Technology must always work for regular people.
They kinda mixed up all of the endings. In IW, JC has joined with Helios, destroyed all communication and killed Bob Page. Well he didn't join the Illuminati, but they still exist in IW.
Not this one. I think the Helios one is (though what JC does after he joins is similar to this ending). Or, MAYBE, the Illuminati ending is canon, because in one of the IW loading screens it says he merged with Helios "with the help of the Illuminati", though I think they were purposely vague there.
JC merges with Helios, but begins having problems with the merger. He destroys the Aquinas hub, and Bob Page, and runs off to Antartica to go into hiding (using a UC to build a fortress). The illuminati inevitably begin rebuilding the world, and JC's friends begin Apostlecorp to perfect the nanotech for reviving JC (and develop it for everyone.) Alex D, essentially a test subject, was under their care until the Illuminati began probing for Apostlecorp facilities at Tarsus schools.
Its more of Lawful, Chaotic and Neutral. Helio represents lawful with one man to lead them all, or one machine. The Dark Age is Chaotic since humanity desires to follow its own accord. While Illuminati is neutral.
more like extreme, overt centralization (Helios), secret centralization (Illuminati), or a new, decentralized world with sovereignty restored back to individual governments (Tong's ending). In the Illuminati ending, you keep MJ12's system, just change the faces. With Helios's ending, you become the monster Bob Page wanted to be: global dictator. Tong's ending completes the struggle against global dictatorship that Paul and the NSF were fighting against way back at the beginning of the game.
@GmanBruce this is why I like Deus ex. There are so many moral conflicts, and possible that can happen, there is no clear "good" ending like other rpg-s try to think which choice you would choose if this were real life, I would be stuck. TBH when you look at deus ex first, the helios ending seems the best one, but when you try to imagine what it would be like it wouldn't be so obvious.
@Darkneuromancer1 I dont like the dark age option, making humanity go back to past will do that - back to past, and everything will repeat itself.
Illuminati is a fine option, modern aristocracy in my eyes, those who are able to get the power get it, and they control the world. They were intelligent and skillfull enough to get the control, they deserve it.
Helios is the best one imo, Denton is a good person and he would be a absolutist leader.
You are overestimating the good of humans. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Famous quote, remember?
Denton is human and this applies. Even Helios is still a being that follows instructions hard-coded into his personality. Eventually time destroys and corrupts all. One generation is not meant to govern forever. The abuse of power can only be prevented by ceding power to the next generation.
As for the Illuminati, this is the worst ending of all and the quote still applies.
@Darkneuromancer1 I think that dictatorship is good if in the right hands, however ussualy its the power-hungry maniacs like Bob Page that want it so much.
If it was somehow possible to make a good person a dictator, I think it would be great, there is no way to do that in real life (possible in deus ex).
If my mother/person I know from school could become a dictator, it would be good imo. As long as the person doesnt try to become the dictator (Fidel), but is chosen, it is a good option.
I disagree. Tong, Savage etc. are foolish to assume that people will be free if someone just "pulls the plug", as JC said it. Technology will evolve again, with all its birth pangs - because humans remain humans after all. Neither Morpheus nor Helios or even the Illuminati are "evil". Of course Helios seeks total control, but as It explained, without human flaws, It would not be corrupted by the temptations of Its power. A human being could never be a benevolent dictator - Helios could, I think.
I would rather that humanity constantly relive its struggles in the quest for human perfection rather than fall prey to an eternal cabal of greedy men who would kill millions if it served their interests.
As for Helios, it is an attractive ending but I can't trust any entity to govern forever. Eventually the power will get to such a entity and corrupt its judgement.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
@pratt123 I dont know, everybody talks about power changing people, but I believe if a person is good enough he wont change. Unless he gets alzheimer. I am overestimating the good maybe as I think that almost anyone with intelligence, morals and correct goals would be a good ruler, not perfect, but better than what we have now. It might also be good for someone to rule longer than 50years, learning from mistakes eh? :D
@pratt123 Concerning helios, I think the program was fully dynamic, but mainly not as confused as humans. It could not become corrupt, I dont know how it would work with Denton though.
Merge - If all succeeds you are a good benevolent dictator, if not humans will always find a way to destroy helios. There would be losses, but in the end helios would always be destroyed and this will be a valuable lesson to humanity -that concentrated power is not good. If you do the 3rd, nobody learns anything.
@pratt123 I just think that no matter what you do, those that want power will be the ones that will share it. It might as well be a good person like you, me or Denton who will be guided by helios to emotionless choices, with the most important thing being the prosperity of humankind.
I think it has a lot to do with what person gets the power, most that want absolutist power are corrupt, however helios chose you because you do not want it.
@pratt123 I think 3rd option is for those with too much love for democracy and freedom, or maybe I just dont like democracy that much, which I dont to be honest. Its the majority, who are the poorest that controls the country I dont want muslims that to vote for bigger social security benefits or whatever, and win just because they have 10children in each generation.
You might not see it in US, because you dont let foreigners fuck with you :D
@pratt123 -Not to sound like a communist -its not that I dont like democracy I think its the best of those that are possible, but if there were a way to choose a good benevolent dictator (which I think it is in deus ex) its a good option. Maybe its a bit similair to communism, if the world was perfect it would work, but when its perfect it doesnt matter.
Problem a dictator is that there is no safe way to choose a good one. But an emotionless thing with prosperity of hum. is as good as it gets.
I see where you are going and I agree with it mostly. However, to me, it is a matter of principle. No matter how good a dictator is, he will only do so because of his own beliefs. His actions will never be based on the dignity of his subjects. (basically Kantian ethics).
Your theory is more of a utilitarian theory of ethics. (the ends justify the means)
Thus comes JC/Helios' actions in Invisible War, which... oddly enough less people seem to approve of than the original Helios ending.
If you don't know he basically gives everyone equal ability through augmentations, and also gains the capabilities to read the minds of everyone and do as they desire.
People who believe in a god believe their God is always watching them, it's really no different. Except Helios would actually do something with its power, not just sit idly by and watch as rape, murder, and such goes on.
So I guess what I mean is.... It all depends on who's watching me and what their purpose for watching me is.
@JCPhoenix Umm can you put a written text to what is being said in the video coz I cant understand that demonic like voice pattern and it is starting to piss me off.
@JCPhoenix That's the whole point God lets evil happens. Those who truly understand why He created everything will also submit to his rule. Those who chase after self indulgence, self preservation, and creature comforts before making all below him equal will be judged. God works here on earth. You just have to look close enough.
@JCPhoenix religion is something you believe in to aid you psychologically, not to feel peaked on, well in some cases you do, but it rather helps you not doing certain things humanly non-approvable, but for example, i believe in god, but i never felt like someone up in the sky was looking at me like someone would watch p0rn while i was having private matters with my girlfriend or anything. Religion can only be mental, and you decide of what it should be. In which case, u make your own privacy.
@JCPhoenix God doesn't just sit "idly by" when those people (murderers, rapists etc.) die they are judged by God and sent to hell. Besides, people who do those things don't get away with it anyways.
@solarsoul2012 Hello... sorry, can I just ask what is Tong saying from 0:53 to 1:01? I can only understand something like < - new order begins to - save discipline, - , only then /// villages, small states, - selfrule, find me JC, find /// ).
Thanks to anyone will help me, I'm translating this to italian :P
@solarsoul2012 apart for the judged by god bit that nobody can proof one way or the other! there are lots of murderers, rapist and who know what els that have never been found and/or been locked up!
there are plenty of those ppl that do get away with it
@djdeath12 The whole point being that even if they do get away with it in this world, this life is only a very small slice of eternity (any finite number of years <<<<<< eternity) so they get their comeuppance sooner or later anyway.
@turgore Have you even read the bible? God made it so women can give birth to new life forms, it is a miracle of God. I bet you are under 18 right? Don't worry kid stay in school and live your life. God bless.
@capsule56 because education is science/reality based. Religion is a fairy tale. Dinosaurs don't have saddles, and science saves lives. If you're going to debate, bring logic to the table.
this is like today lol
KageZero 1 week ago
maybe they should try plugging it out and plugging it back in
peepsbates 2 weeks ago
I love how games like deus ex keep all of it's players happy and friendly unlike call o....
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In my opinion, the Tong ending is the most aesthetically pleasing, as well as the one that completes the storyline and theme of the game: too much power over too much in too few hands. Otherwise the lesson isn't learned. Technology must always work for regular people.
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Deus Ex. A game that evokes high level moral, rational and philosophical discussions.
No other game has done that.
MasterLPG 1 month ago
So I guess lights in 2052 are powered by the internet.
SecretAgentC1ank 2 months ago 23
@SecretAgentC1ank:
Helios was linked into central power grids across the globe, that is why the destruction of Helios caused the 'Dark Age'.
Like others have said, better dialogue and clearer vocals here but the music is worse.
jcdenton2k 1 month ago
@SecretAgentC1ank
you need to think bigger if all communications were destroyed don't you think that power plants wouldn't be functioning ? i mean the world is put into chaos
skuterixas91 1 month ago
@SecretAgentC1ank Perhaps the power sources and stations need data information through a net to make the relay to get the power to the cities and buildings distributed, and thus the lights.
aruhs91 2 weeks ago
Better dialogue execution, including the phasing out of the signal, but bad music.
Raveheart90 3 months ago
I think I liked this ending better than the PC version. It was a bit more evocative and less abrupt. The music isn't as good though.
QuadfishTym 3 months ago
This ending isn't nearly as epic without the badass music that comes with the original PC game's ending.
Deidara204 4 months ago
god damn deus ex's story was so powerful. there will never be another game like this ever
jcracker 4 months ago
They should've kept the original music for this. It was so much more awesome than the one they have here.
Oldenheimer1913 4 months ago 32
@Oldenheimer1913 I agree with that
1337Tazer 3 months ago
you're gonna burn alright
ostolero 4 months ago
I think deus ex is a pretty cool guy, he fights conspiracies and doesn't afraid of gunthur hermann
porkwilliam 4 months ago
@Defenseman619 Education system is centered on an input/output process of info.Our success/failure depends on our efficiency of taking what teacher tells us & then regurgitating it on2 some exam. Those able 2 blindly regurgitate information the best R rewarded with higher grades. They R told they're smart when in fact they're just thoroughly indoctrinated. This input/output process is no different than what a computer or slave does.u give it a command & it just does it, w/out question. repost
NWKklown 4 months ago
believe what you decide to believe... we all must face absolute truth in the end. One is not stable, without the acknowledgment of absolute truth.
NWKklown 4 months ago 2
"I never explained, after the collapse, when the cities are isolated, work will have only started...self discipline...a new moral philosophy...we have the technology...villages, small states genuine self-rule...find me JC, find me."
klkl36 4 months ago
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Theowest 4 months ago
Jesus, no wonder every idiot is responding, my comment is up there with 9 likes. Believing in god/religion is a mental disorder. However, I do believe that I will enjoy this game when it comes out.
Defenseman619 4 months ago
@Defenseman619 that's the problem if u get ur likes, everybody wants to talk to you xD.
Tallatior 4 months ago
JC looks noob in cinematics of PS.
JCDenton112788 5 months ago
Worst ending for nerds
Nggakjelas92 5 months ago
See how JC Denton twitches at the sound of the "WARNING"?
I bet he was thinking: I immediately regret this.
DBuilder 5 months ago
Anyone felt bad for the technician who see JC pushing the red button and tries to stop him?
Redem10 6 months ago 2
@Redem10
I did. I wanted to just knock him unconscious and carry him out of the area but...
He was much too heavy.
JerichoMcCoy 5 months ago
@Redem10 Not really. I one shotted him with my Dragon Sword.
McGarvinStudios 5 months ago
@Redem10 me =(
duhmzdaih 4 months ago
this ending was honestly the worst.
thewolfPrince 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince Maybe for you. But for me, it was the best.
charliec81 6 months ago
@charliec81 to send the world into a new dark age independent tribes warring against each other how is that good?
thewolfPrince 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince There is the warring aspect, yes, but I'd rather focus on the 'independent' aspect. The future of Deus Ex seems to involve corporations not only controlling government, but whole countries. At least the Dark Age ending suggests that, with the right men in the right places, leaders can emerge to rebuild a society and people will have a chance to better speak out. As opposed to entrusting rule to an autocratic elite, or a dubious sentient human/A.I. interface.
charliec81 6 months ago
@charliec81 and how many people would die because of this to build a perfect society without technology consider how many people had to rely on technology and had technology built in the world would literally fall apart there would be no human race after this ending takes effect.
thewolfPrince 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince Technology shouldn't be a crutch. It became a crutch in Deus Ex when Man used it to rule their lives. Even today it is our crutch when a lot of us spend most of their lives on the Internet and technology (and I knwo I do so). But just take a quick look aside, and look at the people who can spend a day without having to rely too much on a phone or a comptuer. or the poorer aspects of our world that managed to get by with said technology.
charliec81 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince I guess my point is that humanity shouldn't depend too much on the technology or progress. Man had existed for a long time without technology, and periods of regression like the Dark Ages always preceded a rebirth (like the Renaissance) Yes, some won't survive, but I think it's too drastic to say none would survive. It might even be freeing, when the office worker is freed from the technology that binds him.
tl;dr don't underestimate humanity. I'm sure we'll get by somehow.
charliec81 6 months ago
@charliec81 Humanity can't be trusted and consider the generation of people in this game. They all grew up where everything was easy for them due to technology most will die because A. they have no experience or B. they are transhumans with so much nanotech in them once it stopped working they'd all die.
thewolfPrince 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince Not all the humans in Deus Ex were nano-augmented. The bums in the street hardly look like the sort to afford augs. besides, if they did have augs, they'd (a) have mechanical parts or (b) have the blue veins that indicate nanites. In fact, I think augemented humans in Deus Ex were a minority, with nano-augmentations a rarity. In the world of deux es, transhumanism was a path only for the rich.
charliec81 6 months ago
@charliec81 or government or company workers do you realize how many people those are?
thewolfPrince 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince They may be many, but I can't see how many (or even most) of them would be nano-augmented. The only people I think were augmented in the game were the ones who readily stated they were, whether its an older programme like Gunther's, or the newer programme of JCs. And, like I said, said office workers were imprisoned in their jobs. Visit Versalife again, and look at the slogans they put up to make the office workers work. With the Dark Age, perhaps they can have free thoughts.
charliec81 6 months ago
@charliec81 Id rather be a slave to corporations than free with no boundaries for everyone. and as for free thought there was no free thought in the dark age it would be run by superstition and fear the world would be destroyed by said things.
thewolfPrince 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince You and I are two very different people. When people are slaves to corporations, and, when the corporations had their use of them, disposed of them like refuse. Go read about the water crisis in Bolivia when it was privatized under Bechtel.As long as there people who are ready to rise up and implement some boundaries, it won't be 'completely' free and there'll be some order. In my opinion, thats better than being a 'slave' to a corporation.
charliec81 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince
And yes, there'd be superstition in the Dark Age, but there's also superstition in the modern era. There were tales of rapture this year, and the Mayan prophecy next year. And in the game, even under such advanaced technolgoy, there was fear and superstition. At the same time, there is always some semblance of rationality. Geniuses like Da Vinci, Galileo and Einstein existed under 'said' dark ages, and were persecuted by supsersition, but they made progress. We owe to them.
charliec81 6 months ago
@charliec81 true but would you have all they worked for be fore naught most knowledge in the world would be destroyed and besides this ending makes no sense there'd be backups for Helios to say the least so all he would have done was destroy the central unit.
thewolfPrince 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince Huh, you speak like there are no books. All knowledge stored on the internet destroyed ? Yes, and sure, that'd be devastating. No google, no wikipedia, no information highway for instant data.
But there's always the library, and there's always books.
Books (and newspapers) were strewn around in Deus Ex for a reason. The printing press existed way before the Internet, and even the Illuminati. In the new Dark Age, paper will play a role once again. Besides, Twilight reads books.
charliec81 6 months ago
@charliec81 there were very few books in deus ex most information being stored on some form of electronic database all the printing presses were highly technological. Honestly I'd rather have the Illuminati rule than this ending.
thewolfPrince 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince Well, as I said to another person who favoured the Helios ending, thats your opinion. (and hes ready to admit that our choice of ending is based on what we think is right)
For me, I prefer the Tracer Tong ending, because both endings are either based on a lie, or subservience to a higher authority you can't really trust. But, with this ending, you can start from scratch. But who knows, and Spector did intend the ending you picked to be the 'canonical' ending.
charliec81 6 months ago
@charliec81 ergo if it's a cannon ending it has to be the "good" or "real" ending
thewolfPrince 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince I think it's the "real" ending at best. I can't see it as "good" because the game, through Paul and Savage, did say it was a bad ending. In short, all three endings were 'bad' in some form or other.
charliec81 6 months ago
@charliec81 it was the best I'd rather be given the illusion of freedom than be openly oppressed by a non-human machine or thrown into a dark age from which humanity may never escape.
thewolfPrince 6 months ago
@thewolfPrince For you its the best. An illusion is an illusion, and I think humanity could escape that dark age.
But, eh, lets just say we both dislike the Helios ending.
charliec81 6 months ago
@charliec81 indeed hummanity is enslaved by a "benevolent"AI no no no no no.
thewolfPrince 6 months ago
no good end like in Fallout: New Vegas (yea i know, its crappy)
XerxesPL 7 months ago
@MicroIce12994 it isn't actually electricity it's actually the networks (telephones, internet, communications ect.. the PS2 ending over-dramatized it.
Ignuus66 7 months ago
@Ignuus66 Most power stations these days may run on closed systems, but in Deus Ex it's hinted that everything is networked, and why wouldn't it be? Reduce the human employment cost, save on insurance, savings on safety and security systems being compressed into one impenetrable layer rather than a framework of layers employees need to navigate.
You forget, Deadalus was everywhere in Deus Ex. Helios inherited that. Control was lost, safety shutdowns did the rest. No human element left to run it.
patricksweeney2 6 months ago
there is no good end:
Helios ending: there is no proper freedom, it's monarchy all over again just with a less biased and much more powerful ruler.
Illuminati ending: A group controlls the world, a group that is imperfect, makes mistakes and is controlled by 1 man. It's a Monarchy with a very biased ruler that has less power.
Dark age ending: Total anarchy rages across the globe, humanity will probally lose 300 years of developement, with a slight chance a global social improvement.
Ignuus66 7 months ago
@Ignuus66 Helios ending actually creates a "True democracy". Everyones mind is linked, so Helios deeply understand everyones opinion, and reasons behind that opinion, therefore technically everyone has a say in government, and since it is a machine, it has no self interests to fulfill, it makes decisions based on what the people want.
skytop082 7 months ago
@skytop082 actually, everyone's minds are MERGED not linked so no privacy can exist
Ignuus66 6 months ago
@skytop082 Not everybody is linked, its not like some hive mind that can tap into the minds of every individual. And ultimately, you can't please everyone, particularly interests that are mutually exclusive and don't have good workarounds.
charliec81 6 months ago
@Ignuus66 To me, the Dark Age ending sounds the best, since it has a slight chance of worldwide social improvement, the other 2 options have no chance from the sounds of it, and 300 years worth of development loss would be a good thing too, man could get back to it's roots and learn to create better things.
sonicmark87 6 months ago
@sonicmark87 I agree with you. In the other two endings, the player is effectively surrendering control of humanity to some higher authority that was previously predetermined. However, by removing, Man may have the chance to learn from those mistakes and undo it. Hopefully.
charliec81 6 months ago
So Area 51 was the worlds power station?
jcdenton100 7 months ago
@jcdenton100 Not in real life, but it was in Deus Ex.
13crazypeople 7 months ago
@13crazypeople yeah i know that but that would cause serious problems for the area. How did it not overload? Helios couldnt keep it under control because his systems werent connected with the power station.
jcdenton100 6 months ago
I laaaav this ending. Hopefully he outruns it..
icesyncer 8 months ago
Deus Ex. A game that evokes high level moral, rational and philosophical discussions.
No other game has done that.
Sacuya 8 months ago 88
@Sacuya Heavy Rain? But yeah, that was well said.
LocoGroove 6 months ago
@Sacuya plus clever humor by JC Denton.
Empowerless 5 months ago
@Sacuya Not really, there are a few other games that can produce philosophical debates too. Such as; Planescape Torment, BioShock, Silent Hill 2, Fallout 2, and I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream sparked some interesting discussions.
uadfa 5 months ago
@uadfa well, Bioshock's endings are... lame when compared to Deus Ex ones. The story is good, but I played System Shock 2 before and was really disappointed with Bioshock.
duhmzdaih 4 months ago
@duhmzdaih The structure and plot are very similar, but the themes and most characters are rather different. But I agree with you when it comes to the endings for BioShock. Instead of exploring and criticizing Ayn Rand's objectivity philosophy, the story degrades to "objectivism iz an altruism iz goood!" message in the end.
uadfa 4 months ago
@duhmzdaih Sorry, I meant to say that the message in BioShock's endings is "objecticizm iz bad an altruizm iz goood!".
uadfa 4 months ago
@uadfa Indeed. You're right about the different themes in Bioshock and System Shock 2, but I found the one from SS2 deeper (according to the times of course). Objectivism is an interesting theme, and I think in Bioshock, not only in the endings, all the time is treated from a black and white perspective. SS2 has in my opinion "one" of the most interesting "villains" ever: "The Many". Shodan is a cool villain, but the game makes you wonder if the Many are really "evil".
duhmzdaih 4 months ago
@Sacuya maybe fallout.... or any of the D&D games.. but they arent as deep.
Gam0rDude 3 months ago
@Sacuya bioshock
Volf99 3 months ago
@Sacuya mass effect 2 and some other bioware games have done it a little bit...but not nearly at the level of DX
HariVIyer 3 months ago
Page would've been 1 man in complete control of the world - he had to be stopped:
Helios merge - AI in control - morals?
Illuminati ending - 1 man/group in control
Dark age ending - no-one in control.
You could argue the Illuminati ending is no better than had you not dealt with Page in the first place, whilst the dark age ending leaves the world in chaos (Tong is far too positive with his outlook).
The Helios merge is, if there is one, the 'good' ending as the AI should have no bias.
Moorpheus19 9 months ago
God exists and a drug induced illogical video game doesnt change the fact those who deny God are those who throw their lot in with hoaxes junk science irrational and illogical though and think magic assembled dna/rna nothing changes and new dna cannot "evolve" to add on to dna structures the dna must change destroying its original code and no it dont change, it is eiter destroyed or damaged, nothing new can be applied, "naturally" or artificially
deltapunk21 9 months ago
@deltapunk21 God doesn't exist and a brainwashed man with illogical responses doesn't change the fact that those who believe in such hoax as a 'God' are the irrational,arrogant and think God created everything,but there is no logic in that except the one they made up in their mind.God is just one of many mind illusions of the homo sapiens through it's path of evolution which will,I sincerely hope,end up with global secular humanism as a point of view and atheism.
moonkick360 9 months ago
@moonkick360
Everyone has his own truth and logics.
So please consider brainwashed no one than you and other people with such radical thoughts.
I saw very smart people studying in tech institutes, MIPT for example, and they DO beleive in God.
Maybe you could say that they doensn't have logics and rational, mathematically-built mind? Lol
xNealus 9 months ago
@xNealus If their 'logic' and 'truth' is something imposed on them from their birth(most Christians are Christians because of their family and society),then that is called programming or 'brainwashing',that is, an act done on us to impose the will of another,without our direct control.Now,regarding your argument you saw religious people going to high rated colleges,I know some infact...the logic aimed at their field of work works just fine,but the other crosses with their lifelong belief...
moonkick360 9 months ago
Why did they scrap the original music for this ending?!
Octavium 10 months ago
I never understood how JC could survive a detonation that big...
13crazypeople 10 months ago
@13crazypeople ...
Regeneration augment and the other one that made him run super fast? :P
LD3001 4 months ago
@LD3001 There's no way he could escape an Area 51 that was blown to hell just using regeneration and speed enhancement.
xD
13crazypeople 4 months ago
@13crazypeople You may never know, maybe he also had a high medical skill and a ton of medkits XD
LD3001 4 months ago
@13crazypeople alex denton would been dead too, he was placed in a tank in area 51
cortez14088 4 months ago
@cortez14088 True.
13crazypeople 4 months ago
@13crazypeople wen u play deus ex 2 in the loading screen u see a comment saying that JC denton destroyed area 51, cant be true, guess the deveoplers havent played the original game XDD
cortez14088 4 months ago
@cortez14088 If they didn't play it, how did they make it???/???? They decided to use a combination of all three endings for Invisible War.
churchdudeman 3 months ago
@churchdudeman they used 2 endings, 1 is merging with helios and the other is destroying area 51, they didnt mention anything in second game about illuminate controlling the world. the dark age ending may not be true, if u play the last mission ( not saying u havent) u will find alex denton in the tank in area 51, if jc destroys area 51 then alex denton would be dead and he wouldnt be playable character in DX 2.
cortez14088 3 months ago
@churchdudeman they used 2 endings, 1 is merging with helios and the other is destroying area 51, they didnt mention anything in second game about illuminate controlling the world. the dark age ending may not be true, if u play the last mission ( not saying u havent) u will find alex denton in the tank in area 51, if jc destroys area 51 then alex denton would be dead and he wouldnt be playable character in DX 2. and btw who said they used combinations all 3 endings? who told u?
cortez14088 3 months ago
@cortez14088
What are you talking about? The Illuminati does control the world in Deus EX: IW, through the WTO and Order.
Puglous 3 months ago
this is my favourite ending of the three.
bachterman 11 months ago
that or there is too little proof that they cant be caught not everthing bad that happens is becaus of corruption you know
djdeath12 11 months ago
The thing people forget about the dark age ending is that with no communication between cites, countrys which cant support themselves without getting outside food, such as island nations, like japan and uk would starve. The islands like britian and japan cnt provide enough to hold millons of people. Also with no communication i imagine there would also be alot of looting, and with no way to contact police other crimes would soar
WasLilChrisnowbigish 1 year ago
@WasLilChrisnowbigish
Yeah. When you think about it, Tong's really the last person on Earth who should have been pushing for this ending. I mean, Hong Kong is on an island, and it only thrives because of communications technology. All the manufacturing and other things that make China prosperous are on the mainland.
commissarusa 11 months ago
@WasLilChrisnowbigish I don't know about Japan, but the UK is perfectly capable of supporting itself if the land is used efficiently (which, granted, would not happen with the lack of co-ordination in the New Dark Age).
thatsniperisaspy 11 months ago
Was that Bob Page dancing inside the containment field as Area 51 was going up? I think so.
TigerRifle1 1 year ago
I prefer the PC version. Watching JC running down a exploding hallway, unaware if he lives or dies is much better than watch the lights turn off.
verystrangegeorge 1 year ago 2
I just don't like the PS2 version endings...
ONNIHOLTTA 1 year ago
this is how escape from LA ended :P
karterryo 1 year ago
Man, did took away JC bad ass running away from the explosion scene! The PC version ending was more dramatic....
hanchiman 1 year ago
wtf Tracer says something different than in PC version?
mastermantrox 1 year ago
@Euphytoseful Technology and Electricity just got destroyed, and without it you wouldn't be able to play this incredible game. :)
Ih8thePolice 1 year ago
And this is why I merged with Icarus/Echelon/Helios. I am ... we are ... the benevolent god that mankind needs.
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Ok what the hell is this shit? The Dark Age ending in the PC version I always assumed that Tong's goal was to free the world from any sort of control however in the PS2 ending it almost seems like he wants to use the chaos to subject the world to his own rule? Why the hell did they need to redo the endings and the intro as these CGI monstrosities suck.
If it was their intention to make Tong look like he wanted control of the world for himself they could have at least changed the quote.
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hungarylnnjsd 1 year ago
Back to chaos...muahahhahah...epic!:D
moonkick360 1 year ago
I think I did the right think merging with helios
DanielAvelan 1 year ago
even if it meant another dark age i would still choose that over living with tyranny.
milktree4545 1 year ago
An example of the Illuminati's corruption (or general douchebaggery),in Everett's hide-out you can find the ex leader (Lucius Debeers) of the Illuminati kept alive in a cryo-pod.Lucius says Everett has told him he will be unfrozen when the technology is available,but if you speak to Everett again he tells you the tech has been around for a while,but has no plans to unfreeze him. He just plans to keep him in that state for his advice.Not the kind of person I'd like with huge power over the world.
Seigfreid 1 year ago
@Seigfreid This was one of the first solid reasons I found to NOT ultimately support Everett! At the point that I found DeBeers and the truth surrounding him, I thought, well, yknow, not only is this Everett guy a bit of a dick, he would probably deem ME expendable too, after effectively doing his dirty laundry.
null140 8 months ago
I find the use of the Thief font at the end quite interesting. Perhaps it refers to the coming dark age as the period during Thief? Of course, that's a little far fetched, but still, a possibility.
Rickfish131 1 year ago
Just finished this game the first time on PC.I chose the illuminati path because i was unsure what would be the future of humanity if a new dark age becomes.
Great game with great endings i have to say :)
Empowerless 1 year ago
The Helios ending is merely a paradox dressed up as a solution. In order to have it begin working on improving humanity, you'd first have to tell it what that even means. Financial? Cultural? Artistic? Political? Which? What is prosperous isn't always artistic, and what is cultural isn't always philosophical. In between these concepts lies the fundamental core of the human condition: irony and contradiction. And to get rid of either is to miss the point of humanity entirely.
F33bs 1 year ago
In my opinion, the Tong ending is the most aesthetically pleasing, as well as the one that completes the storyline and theme of the game: too much power over too much in too few hands. Otherwise the lesson isn't learned. Technology must always work for regular people.
F33bs 1 year ago 3
pc version is better... the voices here are not as good as in pc and so on
ONNIHOLTTA 1 year ago
I like the original version more.
Having JC running down a exploding corridor while tong explains whats happening was much more epic.
verystrangegeorge 1 year ago
all 3 endings are good or bad its the way u think of it
Dark age is when the world starts over for the dark age of course
Heilos is for stoping the goverment froming failing and man kind in order
Illiumoti or w/e is to control the earth and help cure grey death with nothing to stop them they control everything
Nightmarez753951n 1 year ago
The papyrus font is hilarious
risbolla 1 year ago 3
whats the canon ending that will lead to invisible war?
haakuryu 1 year ago
They kinda mixed up all of the endings. In IW, JC has joined with Helios, destroyed all communication and killed Bob Page. Well he didn't join the Illuminati, but they still exist in IW.
WorldofWalkthroughs 1 year ago 4
Not this one. I think the Helios one is (though what JC does after he joins is similar to this ending). Or, MAYBE, the Illuminati ending is canon, because in one of the IW loading screens it says he merged with Helios "with the help of the Illuminati", though I think they were purposely vague there.
Puglous 1 year ago
@haakuryu Helios ending is the one that's truely canon. They sorta mixed them all together, but it is the Helios ending.
0Angel0A 1 year ago 2
All of them combined. They lead to the Collapse and the beginning of Deus Ex 2.
StrikeFear13 1 year ago
JC merges with Helios, but begins having problems with the merger. He destroys the Aquinas hub, and Bob Page, and runs off to Antartica to go into hiding (using a UC to build a fortress). The illuminati inevitably begin rebuilding the world, and JC's friends begin Apostlecorp to perfect the nanotech for reviving JC (and develop it for everyone.) Alex D, essentially a test subject, was under their care until the Illuminati began probing for Apostlecorp facilities at Tarsus schools.
PrivationProductions 1 year ago
@haakuryu the one where JC bonds with the AI
42Unknowns 1 year ago
so what is the "good" ending?
Mraajdar 1 year ago
That's the point
there is no good ending
It all depends on yr point of view. For me this ending sounds good enough, as all old conceptions are wrong.
GmanBruce 1 year ago 21
merge with helios .. thats the good ending
hhhxxxhhh 1 year ago 2
@hhhxxxhhh
Its more of Lawful, Chaotic and Neutral. Helio represents lawful with one man to lead them all, or one machine. The Dark Age is Chaotic since humanity desires to follow its own accord. While Illuminati is neutral.
gyrobotZ 1 year ago
more like extreme, overt centralization (Helios), secret centralization (Illuminati), or a new, decentralized world with sovereignty restored back to individual governments (Tong's ending). In the Illuminati ending, you keep MJ12's system, just change the faces. With Helios's ending, you become the monster Bob Page wanted to be: global dictator. Tong's ending completes the struggle against global dictatorship that Paul and the NSF were fighting against way back at the beginning of the game.
ReturnofSargathia 1 year ago
@GmanBruce Small states?
It's essentially a call-back to nationalism and while that does render self-determination it also destroys any chance of multiculturalism.
LessthanJake14 9 months ago
@GmanBruce this is why I like Deus ex. There are so many moral conflicts, and possible that can happen, there is no clear "good" ending like other rpg-s try to think which choice you would choose if this were real life, I would be stuck. TBH when you look at deus ex first, the helios ending seems the best one, but when you try to imagine what it would be like it wouldn't be so obvious.
Ignuus66 7 months ago
no Jc not the internet! no more lolcats!
Skinnyoompalumpa 2 years ago 7
I just finisished this game and i chose the dark age ending because.
If the illumantati were to gain power then this would happen all over again.
If you merged with Helios, and if you have the conservation with Morpehous then you would know why.
So out of the three evils i thought this was the most right descion.
Darkneuromancer1 2 years ago
@Darkneuromancer1 I dont like the dark age option, making humanity go back to past will do that - back to past, and everything will repeat itself.
Illuminati is a fine option, modern aristocracy in my eyes, those who are able to get the power get it, and they control the world. They were intelligent and skillfull enough to get the control, they deserve it.
Helios is the best one imo, Denton is a good person and he would be a absolutist leader.
OMFGO 2 years ago
You are overestimating the good of humans. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Famous quote, remember?
Denton is human and this applies. Even Helios is still a being that follows instructions hard-coded into his personality. Eventually time destroys and corrupts all. One generation is not meant to govern forever. The abuse of power can only be prevented by ceding power to the next generation.
As for the Illuminati, this is the worst ending of all and the quote still applies.
pratt123 2 years ago
@Darkneuromancer1 I think that dictatorship is good if in the right hands, however ussualy its the power-hungry maniacs like Bob Page that want it so much.
If it was somehow possible to make a good person a dictator, I think it would be great, there is no way to do that in real life (possible in deus ex).
If my mother/person I know from school could become a dictator, it would be good imo. As long as the person doesnt try to become the dictator (Fidel), but is chosen, it is a good option.
OMFGO 2 years ago
I disagree. Tong, Savage etc. are foolish to assume that people will be free if someone just "pulls the plug", as JC said it. Technology will evolve again, with all its birth pangs - because humans remain humans after all. Neither Morpheus nor Helios or even the Illuminati are "evil". Of course Helios seeks total control, but as It explained, without human flaws, It would not be corrupted by the temptations of Its power. A human being could never be a benevolent dictator - Helios could, I think.
FnordPerfect 2 years ago 2
I would rather that humanity constantly relive its struggles in the quest for human perfection rather than fall prey to an eternal cabal of greedy men who would kill millions if it served their interests.
As for Helios, it is an attractive ending but I can't trust any entity to govern forever. Eventually the power will get to such a entity and corrupt its judgement.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
- Churchill
pratt123 2 years ago
@pratt123 I dont know, everybody talks about power changing people, but I believe if a person is good enough he wont change. Unless he gets alzheimer. I am overestimating the good maybe as I think that almost anyone with intelligence, morals and correct goals would be a good ruler, not perfect, but better than what we have now. It might also be good for someone to rule longer than 50years, learning from mistakes eh? :D
OMFGO 2 years ago
@pratt123 Concerning helios, I think the program was fully dynamic, but mainly not as confused as humans. It could not become corrupt, I dont know how it would work with Denton though.
Merge - If all succeeds you are a good benevolent dictator, if not humans will always find a way to destroy helios. There would be losses, but in the end helios would always be destroyed and this will be a valuable lesson to humanity -that concentrated power is not good. If you do the 3rd, nobody learns anything.
OMFGO 2 years ago
@pratt123 I just think that no matter what you do, those that want power will be the ones that will share it. It might as well be a good person like you, me or Denton who will be guided by helios to emotionless choices, with the most important thing being the prosperity of humankind.
I think it has a lot to do with what person gets the power, most that want absolutist power are corrupt, however helios chose you because you do not want it.
OMFGO 2 years ago
@pratt123 I think 3rd option is for those with too much love for democracy and freedom, or maybe I just dont like democracy that much, which I dont to be honest. Its the majority, who are the poorest that controls the country I dont want muslims that to vote for bigger social security benefits or whatever, and win just because they have 10children in each generation.
You might not see it in US, because you dont let foreigners fuck with you :D
OMFGO 2 years ago
@pratt123 -Not to sound like a communist -its not that I dont like democracy I think its the best of those that are possible, but if there were a way to choose a good benevolent dictator (which I think it is in deus ex) its a good option. Maybe its a bit similair to communism, if the world was perfect it would work, but when its perfect it doesnt matter.
Problem a dictator is that there is no safe way to choose a good one. But an emotionless thing with prosperity of hum. is as good as it gets.
OMFGO 2 years ago
I see where you are going and I agree with it mostly. However, to me, it is a matter of principle. No matter how good a dictator is, he will only do so because of his own beliefs. His actions will never be based on the dignity of his subjects. (basically Kantian ethics).
Your theory is more of a utilitarian theory of ethics. (the ends justify the means)
pratt123 2 years ago 3
@pratt123
*Invisible War Spoilers*
Thus comes JC/Helios' actions in Invisible War, which... oddly enough less people seem to approve of than the original Helios ending.
If you don't know he basically gives everyone equal ability through augmentations, and also gains the capabilities to read the minds of everyone and do as they desire.
JCPhoenix 2 years ago 7
But then there is no privacy. And I like my privacy. Don't you?
pratt123 2 years ago 4
@pratt123
People who believe in a god believe their God is always watching them, it's really no different. Except Helios would actually do something with its power, not just sit idly by and watch as rape, murder, and such goes on.
So I guess what I mean is.... It all depends on who's watching me and what their purpose for watching me is.
JCPhoenix 2 years ago 44
@JCPhoenix Umm can you put a written text to what is being said in the video coz I cant understand that demonic like voice pattern and it is starting to piss me off.
Joel0277 1 year ago
@JCPhoenix That's the whole point God lets evil happens. Those who truly understand why He created everything will also submit to his rule. Those who chase after self indulgence, self preservation, and creature comforts before making all below him equal will be judged. God works here on earth. You just have to look close enough.
GDIgenGT 1 year ago
@JCPhoenix religion is something you believe in to aid you psychologically, not to feel peaked on, well in some cases you do, but it rather helps you not doing certain things humanly non-approvable, but for example, i believe in god, but i never felt like someone up in the sky was looking at me like someone would watch p0rn while i was having private matters with my girlfriend or anything. Religion can only be mental, and you decide of what it should be. In which case, u make your own privacy.
PoplovPanda 1 year ago
@JCPhoenix God doesn't just sit "idly by" when those people (murderers, rapists etc.) die they are judged by God and sent to hell. Besides, people who do those things don't get away with it anyways.
solarsoul2012 1 year ago
@solarsoul2012 Hello... sorry, can I just ask what is Tong saying from 0:53 to 1:01? I can only understand something like < - new order begins to - save discipline, - , only then /// villages, small states, - selfrule, find me JC, find /// ).
Thanks to anyone will help me, I'm translating this to italian :P
VideoGiochItalia 1 year ago
@solarsoul2012
yes he just appears and picks up the criminal and plonks him in jail.
WasLilChrisnowbigish 1 year ago
@solarsoul2012 apart for the judged by god bit that nobody can proof one way or the other! there are lots of murderers, rapist and who know what els that have never been found and/or been locked up!
there are plenty of those ppl that do get away with it
djdeath12 11 months ago
@djdeath12 Then that's probably because the police department is full of corrupted cops.
solarsoul2012 11 months ago
@djdeath12 The whole point being that even if they do get away with it in this world, this life is only a very small slice of eternity (any finite number of years <<<<<< eternity) so they get their comeuppance sooner or later anyway.
Mike85624 10 months ago
@solarsoul2012
if god was imnipotent he wouldnt have to wait until people died to judge them, he would know already.
hence, god is a cruel god as he causes needless suffering.
polkad3v 11 months ago
@polkad3v You obviously know nothing about God. Lol get out of here with that.
solarsoul2012 11 months ago
@polkad3v God has already demonstrated that he is omnipotent by creating life and so many other things, so stfu n00b.
solarsoul2012 11 months ago
@solarsoul2012 people come out of a vagina. they are not created by god.
turgore 11 months ago
@turgore Have you even read the bible? God made it so women can give birth to new life forms, it is a miracle of God. I bet you are under 18 right? Don't worry kid stay in school and live your life. God bless.
solarsoul2012 11 months ago
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@solarsoul2012 Telling someone to stay in school, then saying that God wrote the bible (or even believing in god) is EPIC school fail.
Defenseman619 9 months ago 26
@Defenseman619
How do you come to THAT conclusion?
capsule56 5 months ago
@capsule56 because education is science/reality based. Religion is a fairy tale. Dinosaurs don't have saddles, and science saves lives. If you're going to debate, bring logic to the table.
Defenseman619 5 months ago
@Defenseman619 First, why do you conclude religion is a sham?
capsule56 5 months ago
@capsule56 what evidence do you have that it isn't?
utubeaccount00 5 months ago