come on you guys are crazy.. ya all know that mike tyson in his prime was teh ebst ever.. fuck of all other boxers like rocky marciano, foreman or ali.. the 20 year old tyson would have fucked everybody up.. and i dont want to hear as a answer, that everyone was better than tyson because he was teh best ever in his prime and still is te best ever..end of discusion
@LilWayne5272 20 year old mike was a true wreckin ball,thats right,but ray was a wreckin ball for 24 years.u should be able to see the difference easily.finesse,buys a fighter time like this,and ray was the king of finesse among other talents.talents like speed,reflexes,maniac work ethic,etc,etc,he HAD NO WEAKNESSES.nor did he bite when frustrated,in fact he didnt frustrate,flawless.he stood alone in his very own league.i dont know how he found guys to fight him actually.
Jack Johnson the greatest of all time end of story,If the Racists of his day had not railroaded him he would have had a phenominal record but the racists have had their way as they think they have now.Time, time ,time!
And Pacquiao is the first boxer in history to win seven world titles in seven different weight divisions and he is the only boxer to win the lineal championship in four different weight classes. 2 more reasons why Pacquiao is in my Top 10 of All Time.
@jesusneverexisted300 In most fights that Jersey Joe fought....he was ahead in most score cards...the problem with most flashy fighters is that they get carried away.....half the time he was winning the fight...even when he lost to rocky he was beating the day light out of him...until one lucky punch that he did not see.....by todays standard, without 13 rounds rocky lost the fight by a mile...In fact he had no chance in that fight...Joe beat himself by over doing it as always and showing off.
@Dragoncannon4: I know that Jersey Joe was beating Rocky when he got hit with that lucky punch. Rocky isn't anything great in my opinion. He beat a lot of old men including Jersey Joe so I'm not singing Marciano's praises either. However, Jersey Joe lost a lost of his fight regardless of wether or not he was ahead in the fight, showing off or whatever. He left no legacy besides winning the title as an old man, didn't fare well against his comp and wasn't an impact on society.
@55rollotomasi - In an era with 17 weight divisions and 4 "world championships" in each division, 7 world titles is not as impressive as it sounds. The 4 lineal titles is impressive, however. Running from random drug testing while being in an era of rampant steroid abuse across many sports creates a cloud of suspicion on Pac's accomplishments, however.
@comedicstuff I don't think he's running. He just doesn't want to fight on Mayweather's terms. If Pacquiao would do so, he would give Mayweather an advantage, because Mayweather would gain a first victory. A mental one. And in boxing a mental victory is almost as important as a victory in the ring. Winning starts in the mind.
@comedicstuff And the steroid accusations against Pacquiao started after he beat De La Hoya, because Pacquiao did not just beat De La Hoya, he gave him an ass-whooping, he beat the shit out of De La Hoya. Pacquiao single-handedly destroyed De La Hoya's carreer. Losing is one thing, but the beating that Pacman gave De La Hoya is boxing history book material. Pacquiao gave De La Hoya such a beating that people started to think that Pacman must be on steroids. That's all it is.
@comedicstuff What does it matter that there are four 'world championships' in each division? It doesn't make Pacquiao's accomplishment less impressive. Fact is that he is the FIRST boxer in history to win seven world titles in seven different weight divisions. You can't expect from a boxer to win all four 'world championships' in different weight divisions. It's humanly impossible. No homo sapien can do that. Maybe a Super Saiyan can.
@55rollotomasi Minor divisions like Light welter Light fly and so on but the only person to every get half of the true belts was Henry Armstrong. He is far off for being the top ten bro.
1) Sugar Ray Robinson, 2) Muhammad Ali, 3) Joe Louis, 4) Jack Johnson, 5) Henry Armstrong, 6) Sugar Ray Leonard, 7) Willie Pep, 8) SamLangford, 9) Julio Cesar Chaves, 10) Roberto Duran, 11) Archie Moore, 12) Big George Foreman, 13) Joe Gans, 14) Jack Dempsey, 15) Gene Tunney
@scope1beatbox: Check out my comments a dream match up between my second all time fav fighter Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns versus Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker!
@scope1beatbox: Type in youtube search: Thomas Hearns vs Pernell Whitaker and you will see my comments. I think you might find it interesting. Unfortunately, I could not provide in the message the actual link. I am sorry about that.
I will give you my five greatest welterweight champions in a few moments and I will talk to you about Pernell Whitaker too who was one of my favorite fighters.
You wouldn't believe it, or maybe you would. But Pernell was either first best or second best with a win percentage something like 87%. Using boxrecs stats, we compared fighters like Ali, Leonard, Holyfield, Trinidad, Holmes, Duran, Delahoya etc, etc. Holyfield, Leonard and Whitaker were the highest if I can remember and Ali was pretty good but not as good as these guys. Delahoya was the worse. So yeah he's in my top 10 for sure. I would probably put him in at 6.
He also has a better head to head record, win percentage wise, against "elite" fighters (either champions or former champions) than most all of the great champions no matter what their weight class might be. A friend of mine and myself took a list of former great champions and compared their win percentages against these elite fighters.
@scope1beatbox: Pernell is definetely one of the all time great welterweights no doubt about it! However I don't have him making my top five list. In spite of all that, he defeated most all of his comtemporaries.
Yes, I think both Robinson and Joe Louis, especially Louis, are very beatable.
I acknowledge what they have done, but the boxers that came after them would give them all they can handle and more. Only look at the turn the heavyweight division had....Marciano, Ali, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Holmes, Norton, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Klitschko.
I can see Joe Louis in the top 10 in the HW's, but pound for pound? Nooo.
So how do we judge fighters from different eras because we certainly cant compare them to each other? Once again, you look at their legacy. You look at what they did in their time against their opponents. You look at the impact of the fighter on society. Thats how you determine whose great and whose not. Thats the only thing you can go by and really, nothing more. And that is with any other sport as well.
@jesusneverexisted300 The claim that HW's have gotten so much bigger is not true. They got a little heavier, but that's all. Joe Louis is the same size like Holyfield who gave both Tyson and Lewis all they could handle.
Am I telling you that the Klitschko's aren't bigger than Louis, Ali and Frazier? No, but size isn't everyting. Frazier was relentless in the ring because of the time he lived in. THAT's why you can't compare it, boxing was their only chance. College was no option for them.
@Khalifornia: You and this need to compare fighters from two different eras is absurd to say the least. Man I can't go by "whatifs"! What if Jim Brown played football today, would he run over Shawn Merriman? Would Lebron James dunk over Bill Russell? Would Mike Tyson knock out Jack Dempsey? I mean c'mon man its stupid to live in la la land. Go by what is relevant and concrete.
The fact of the matter is, they are not in the same era and so you cant make a fair comparison! Ok? For that very fact, you can't even compare two fighters from different eras, it's ludicrous to make such a notion! Styles have changed, fighters have gotten bigger, etc etc. But most importantly, its not even fair to make a comparison between fighters from two different era.
@Khalifornia: I thought you were making reference to my middleweight top five list. But naww the other list is valid too, very much so. This list isn't about who can be beaten. Of course anybody can be beaten! This list isn't about how somebody would fare against somebody of a different era. The notion that someone from a completely different era would have beaten someone from another era, is a silly one to make.
The title was first bestowed on Robinson and he has become the epitome of what a fighter must accomplished to be the so called pound for pound king. However, again thats just a subjective thing. This list is my all time greats and its based on legacy, competition and social impact.
@Khalifornia: Also this list is not a pound for pound list. This list is an all time greats list. The pound for pound list is subjective. However the all time pound for pound greatest fighter is Sugar Ray Robinson.
@jesusneverexisted300 But you limited it to 15 boxers. There are like 100 all time greats. And that only of the footage era....What about boxers from 300 years ago that we don't know? It's subjective as it can get anyway.
I am only interested in legacy, competition and social impact. Holmes destroyed Shavers twice! So why in the world would you even consider Shavers in the top 15 is beyond me. A case could be made for Holmes however. I would definitely put Holmes in the top 20 without any problems.
@Khalifornia: 300 years ago? C'mon man be serious! Furthermore, I explain to you what my list is based on. I could do a top 100 list if I wanted to but that would take me probably a year to do since I am also ranking them. I am not interested in fantasy match-ups.
@jesusneverexisted300 There is no point about fantasy match up's, it's just fun and not la la land. And absurd? Life itself is absurd you idiot. Don't act as if you invented the plane, super-brain.
Everybody probably fought about one or two fantasy match-up's at some point, you did too.
If I would do a list it would probably be about technique and tactical strength, but that's A LOT of work for nothing.
@Khalifornia: Ok so give me your top 15 all time greats based on this so called technique and tactical strength, whis is very vague, hardly tangible and similair to fantasy match-ups in terms of criteria. But give it to me anyways, I'm all ears!
@jesusneverexisted300 I already said it's a lot of work. It would take a couple of days.
And what is your own criteria, rocket scientist?
Technique and tactical strength is a very good criteria. In the HW division, I'd probably rank Ali over conditioning and one-punch potshotter Marciano.
Because Ali had good conditioning himself and an iron chin, which leaves technique and tactical strength alone. And there's no doubt that Ali is superior in that aspect.
@Khalifornia: Ok so what you're telling me is you ain't got no list? But yet, you wanna negatively critique my list. Does that make any sense to you? That's like arguing about a subject matter that you don't know anything about.
@jesusneverexisted300 I didn't critique your list, I only said that Robinson and Louis are overrated, they're not the god's everybody makes them out to be. Boxing had a major turn post Robinson and Louis.
You can make as many subjective lists as you want. I don't blame you - nobody likes to admit mistakes.
@Khalifornia: Yeah my list is subjective and you too can create your own subjective list. Buf it you're gonna create a list, at least create a list with some kind of standard(s). Don't go basing your list on some fantasy match-ups. It makes no sense to do that because what would be the measuring stick to determine who would beat who in some fantasy make believe stuff?
10 Greatest Boxers of All Time: 1) Sugar Ray Robinson 2) Muhammad Ali 3) Henry Armstrong 4) Willie Pep 5) Joe Louis 6) Joe Gans 7) Roberto Duran 8) Benny Leonard 9) Manny Pacquiao 10) Rocky Marciano
@jesusneverexisted300@jesusneverexisted300 I like your list too. Let me explain why I think Pacquiao is one of the greatest. Its based on the three famous ESPN criteria: achievements, in-ring performance and dominance. I believe that Pacquiao is one of the most dominant fighters ever. He is fast, strong, versatile and explosive. His quick jab and knockout power reminds me of Sugar Ray.
@jesusneverexisted300 And he beat some of the best fighters of his generation: Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Marquez, Morales, Barrera, etc. And I'm sure he will beat Mayweather too if he gets the chance.
@Tofixx: Tommy Hearns is one of my all time favorite fighters. When Hearns was fighting, I always rooted for him no matter what. He fought a local boy, I'm from Washington DC, in Sugar Ray Leonard and I was still rooting for Hearns. I always like Hearns style of fighting, I like the fact that he was a tall fighter and he had knock out power. However, I have to be fair to myself and say that Hearns is maybe in the top 30 - 50 but not in the top 15.
@jesusneverexisted300 - I say that Marvin Hagler belongs in this discussion, even if it's at # 16. Pernell Whitaker is also somewhere around there. Whitaker could beat any style. He had a little pop at lightweight, but not once he moved up in weight. Still, his lack of KO power didn't hurt him until he was past his prime.
@comedicstuff : First I want to say I appreciate your comments about Pernell and Marvelous. Please see all of my comments on this page to see what I said about Pernell. He is definetely in my top ten greatest welterweights though I don't have him my top 15 all time greats. Marvelous is in my top five middleweights for sure. Please read all of my comments.
@jesusneverexisted300 - If Pernell is in your top ten greatest welterweights, then where do you rank him at lightweight? Pernell accomplished more at lightweight by unifying all 3 belts and becoming undisputed champ there. Rating Pernell is tricky because 2 of his most historically significant fights came at lightweight & junior welterweight - versus Azumah Nelson and Julio Caesar Chavez, respectively. Both were while Pernell was in his prime, also. Pernell had slipped by the time he faced
De La Hoya (even though many people think Whitaker won) and Felix Trinidad. And Pernell was pretty undersized to be fighting at welter, yet, he was even able to move up to junior middle for 1 fight and take the title from Julio Cesar Vasquez who was like 49-1 at the time and had beaten Winy Wright while dropping winky 4 or 5 times in the fight. Pernell never stayed long in any weight class once he moved up from lightweight. That and his late-career slippage makes it harder to rate him, IMO.
Pernell was a great great fighter at any weight class and no one can deny that. Like I said in an earlier comment, Pernell has the highest win percentage against other elite fighters something like 87%. Please read my comments to see how we came to this conclusion. As for lightweight greats, I haven't actually done that one yet. Hey why don't you take some time to come up with a top five list and email it to me? I would be so curious of your list.
@comedicstuff: You know you made some great valid points about Pernell and him dominating the lightweight division and his fighting at junior welter. You know I always picture Pernell at welterweight and that was wrong on my part.
@MrCoolguy6273: I am not sure where Jones Jr or Mike Tyson would go because I had not even thought about them when speaking about the all time greats. I am sure they should be in the top 50 but they wouldn't be in the top 30 or maybe not even in the top 40. My criteria is based on what legacy the fighter left, the comp fighters faced and the impact on the society the fighter had., Roy was good but did not or would not face comp. Mike did not have any comp and when he did he lost to all bad!
Walcott lost that title a year and a half later to Marciano. His record at fighting for and defending the title was 2 wins and 4 losses. Walcott’s professional record was 51 wins and 18 losses. He lost to Marciano twice by knockouts. He lost to Louis twice and as I mentioned before, one was by knockout. He defeated Ezzard Charles twice but he lost to him twice also. When looking at his overall body of work, Jersey Joe isn’t even in the top 75 in my opinion.
He fought Louis when he had been fighting already for like 17 years. In two back to back title fights with Louis in 1947 and 1948 (his first title shots), Walcott lost one a split decision and the other a K.O. in round number 11. Most thought that Walcott beat Louis the first time but he lost. Yes it is true that Walcott did win the Heavyweight Championship at the old age of 38. The guy he defeated for the title, Ezzard Charles, was 31.
@Dragoncannon4: Jersey Joe is definitely not in the top 15 not by a long shot. He wasn't really a great fighter. Jersey Joe lost 8 fights in his first 8 years. He wasn't given a shot to fight for any titles until he was an old man.
I think that was his biggest mistake. Since then, it has been all down hill for Jones. Also Jones lack competition on his resume and the historians will accuse him of not taking the hard fights. When he finally did take the hard fights, he was destroyed (Tarver & Johnson). He is, in my estimation, the fastest big man ever! Hell he might even be the fastest ever regardless of size! However, I have Jones somewhere in the top 75.
@zimbo3344: Hopkins and Mayweather are in the top 25 easily! I have Hopkins as the 4th Greatest Middlewieght of All Time. Floyd is one of the best ever lil man and for certain the best fighter in the last 10 years hands down!
@zimbo3344: Roy was a great fighter but his legacy isn't all that great when you really think about it. I mean there was a time when he fought police officers, firemen, milkman and postmen. I mean he fought the mail man! Now that's just wrong!
@zimbo3344: No he did not fight them in their prime. He fought both of them when they were young. Toney happen to have the belt but he had not had it that long while Hopkins didn't have a belt yet. I like Jones don't get me wrong but, he doesn't have the legacy that his contemporary BHop has. He ran away from the jr middleweight and middleweight division into the light heavyweight div because he did not want to face the hard competition. Where as BHop fought in the tougher division.
However, he had no competition when he was a young man and when he reached his peak, he lost to Holyfield (2), Douglas and Lewis by ko’s. He also stayed in the game too damn long taking beatings from C minus level fighters at the end of his career. Jones? The book is still out on him, he started off like a house of fire but made the big mistake of going to heavyweight and coming back down to light heavyweight so quickly.
Frazier is up there maybe in the top 25 - 30 simply because he fought during the best era for the heavyweight division ever in the history of the heavyweight division. He beat Ali so that should put him up there for that reason alone. He didn't fare to well with big George getting beat up twice by Big George but other than that Frazier is way up there. Tyson, in my book was decent but he wasn't all that special. He is the youngest champ ever so he should be in the top 50.
@jesusneverexisted300 Nice list. Lots of sentiment though, lots of old school fighters. Guys like Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield and Roy Jones Jr deserve a place in there.
Whenever you can be mentioned in the same breath as Muhammad Ali you know you have to be special. Evander Holyfield was a 3 time world Heavyweight Champion the only other fighter to have accomplish this is Ali. Lennox defeated every fighter that he has faced. Not many heavyweights, if any, can make that claim. Even Ali can not make that claim to fame!
@bcibibcibcpCB: Sorry I am just now responding to you. I already spoke about RJJ. Please see my comments about him that I posted a couple of days ago. Lennox and Evander (who happens to be one of my all time fav fighters) are way up there.
@jesusneverexisted300 No, prob. I understand RJJ is controversial. Because of his loses after he was 35 and maybe because rumors of to many hand picked compition. Stil, the guy was unstoppable in his prime, and even a few years after that. He also was the second middleweight in history to capture the heavyweight crown. That gives him a place on the list for me, but not the top ten.
@bcibibcibcpCB: Yeah the fact that he won the heavyweight title is a remarkable accomplishment. Had he retired after that fight with Ruiz, I would have had him in the top 15 maybe in the top 10. However he messed up by sliding after gaining the Heavyweight title. He might be the only fighter to win ttles at middle, light heavy and heavy. Based upon those accomplishments I have to put him in the top 50 in spite of his lack of comp. Who is the second middlweight to gain the heavyweight title??
The first was Bob Fitzsimmons. Way back, around 1880.
About Jones, his compitiion wasn't always the best ,but he did beat great fighters like Toney and Hopkins. What happend to Jones is typical for unorthodox fighters relying on their magnificent speed and reflexes. They get away with their unorthodox style when they'r young, at older age the reflexes go down and their style collapses. Same happend to Ali, only Ali had a superhuman chin witch allowed him to absorb the punches he used to dodge.
@bcibibcibcpCB: Wow I did not know that Fitzsimmons fought in the middleweight division! How did I miss that?? Not only did Ali have a superhuman chin, he was super curageous. Ali had a lot of heart and ring intelligence. Did you know that before Holmes, Ali had never been stopped?! This is amazing giving the fact that Ali fought like 20 monsters during his boxing career. Oh by the way when he was stopped by Holmes, he was a sick man. That fact makes it all the more extraordinary!
He actualy had the middleweight weight for his entire career. So he realy was a middleweight knocking out heavyweights. A great fighter indeed.
Ali was never realy stopped. You can't count Holmes. And like I said, Ali's style let him down in the later part of his career. He ate the best shots of men like Shavers. A guy that can't be stopped, who can go on for 15 rounds like a machine. Funny how people say Tyson would ko him, Tyson who ran out gas after 5 rounds.
@bcibibcibcpCB: LOL! Yeah I just laugh at people who say that Tyson could beat Ali. These people don't know what they are talking about. You know I am going to take this weekend to research and get reaquainted with Fitzsimmons. I need to re learn him and learn some new things about him. I do vaguely remember that Fitzsimmons fought a smaller weight but did not know that he was a middle who eventually fought at heavy or who fought bigger fighters. Thanks for the info!
@jesusneverexisted300 1 sugar ray robinson 2 rocky marciano 3 joe louis 4 suger ray leonard 5 roy jones jr 6 jake lamotta 7 joe frazier/george forman 8 jack dempsey 9 roy jones jr 10 archie moore 11 jack dempsey 12 Henry Armstrong 13 muhammed ali 14 mike tyson (early carrier when cus d'maco was alive) 15 roberto duran
People forget how difficult it was to fight Sugar Ray Robinson. He had the Boxing skills of say Sugar Ray Leonard (In our modern times), the power in both hands like Tommy Hearns (In our modern times), and he also had a "Jaw" like Chavez or Marvin Hagler (In our modern times). Boy could he take a shot
yes,ubt in middle weight they r much more weaker then ali and cant take punches as ali could... its better box in middle weight to watch,but middle weight cant win heavyweight boxer of same class... or he will lose more then win...
There is only one song for Ray and that's Jimi Hendrix Voodoo Child. "When I stand up next to a mountain, I chop it down with the edge of my hand" You can't put spam on the same plate as caviar.
Agreed, I am a Filipino and as much of a fan of Manny Pacquiao as I am, Sugar Ray Robinson blew him out of the water p4p. Along with the things said above, he had a great ring presence.
not only was Rocky not one of the best heavyweights ever, he wasn't even one of the best middleweights ever. Marciano is just the result of racism and white people wanting a white person to compare to the black champs. The fact that he was compared to Ali in a computer match proves this, anyone who thinks Marciano could last a round with Ali is insane. I'm sorry if George Foreman couldn't knock out Ali, Rocky wouldn't even be able to land a single punch that hurt Ali, foreman hits what3x harder?
there is no fighter to date with the heart and work ethic coming up to a fight as rocky marciano, the number of punches he threw in 1 fight would make the numbers of fighters even today look embarassing, he was probably one of the most conditioned fighters ever, and fought as heavyweight at 185lbs against many 225+lb fighters. he also has the best knockout/win percentage of any fighter. with that said.......sugar ray robinson is the P4P BEST FIGHTER TO LIVE..still to this day.
for those who gonna say dumb shit, by live i dont mean living today i just mean ever..... this man was AMAZING, ali himself has called robinson the p4p greatest fighter
by the way, many of your favorite mma fighter fedor has the same boxing technique has rocky marciano...the complete unorthodox style of throwing punches from a lean to the right, the difference is fedor is more conservative with his punches. dont believe me watch their videos, and notice they both suffer(ed) from the same hand injury due to their unorthodox and wild punching...lets see if fedor ends undefeated as well
George didnt hit Ali with his best punch the Right Uppercut. If he woulda good night Ali. And look what Henry Cooper did to Ali. He was robbed of that fight thanks to Angelo Dundee and tearing the glove and illegal smelling salts. The Rock woulda destroyed Ali. The master stalker woulda cornered him and gone to work.
are u out of ur mind. foreman has soooo much respect for ali because foreman knows that he gave ali everything...everything! n yet the champ prevailed. cooper was an awesome fighter. but ali went to work and smoked his ass. ali in his prime is the greatest heavyweight of all time. of all time
exatcly ali was hit by everything foreman gave him. ali used the rope-a-dope technique on foreman and thats how he won. i think ali and rocky marciano are both the greatest
Dude,you are out of your mind.Marciano,185 lbs 5'10 could literally not lay a glove on Ali.Liston was bigger,faster, a better boxer and could punch a hell of a lot harder than Marciano and he couldnt touch Ali, so how would Rocky?
look how fundamentally sound he hits. He gets his legs and hips into the punches and has perfect balance.
That's what makes great fighters, you must have your basics first, then you can make flashy moves.
It's those subtle skills, the small movements, the angles a grat fighter uses that separate him from the rest. Unfortunately most people don't honour this enough and just watch for the spectacular KOs and so. But that's not what makes a figter great.
sweet as sugar!
uddiniz 3 months ago
tommy hearns lives here in Detroit ...I work out with him now and then ..he is doing ok..really cool guy
jliveslife 7 months ago
Robinson kill Pacquiao.
vladiator100 8 months ago
fuck even ali couldnt dodge those
qazwsxedckjyggfbwsfj 8 months ago
i played this song, muted the music and played justice-d.a.n.c.e.
it was heaven.
mikelmok 10 months ago
omg bollox sugar ray no1 all time £4£ cant diss him in anyway he had more kos than todays boxers have fights,overrated u cock,
suffolkpunch00 1 year ago
come on you guys are crazy.. ya all know that mike tyson in his prime was teh ebst ever.. fuck of all other boxers like rocky marciano, foreman or ali.. the 20 year old tyson would have fucked everybody up.. and i dont want to hear as a answer, that everyone was better than tyson because he was teh best ever in his prime and still is te best ever..end of discusion
LilWayne5272 1 year ago
@LilWayne5272 u have lil wayne in your name so what the fuck do you know
sugar ray robinson is like what 2pac is in rap and thats the greatest
kumranb9 1 year ago
@kumranb9 fuck you i choose this name some years ago.. im a boxing eypert so fuck you i now more than you
LilWayne5272 1 year ago
@LilWayne5272 yeah sure and im the pope lmao
kumranb9 1 year ago
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wannabethug7 1 year ago
@LilWayne5272 Your grammar sucks and again you have Lilwayne in your name.
STFU you don't know shit about boxing. Robinson is a legend amongst legends, educated yourself.
wannabethug7 1 year ago
@LilWayne5272 your a fuckin idiot and dont know shit about boxing.. shut the fuck up!
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
@LilWayne5272 but you cant spell expert. come on even mike tyson at his worst could spell expert
qazwsxedckjyggfbwsfj 8 months ago
@LilWayne5272 20 year old mike was a true wreckin ball,thats right,but ray was a wreckin ball for 24 years.u should be able to see the difference easily.finesse,buys a fighter time like this,and ray was the king of finesse among other talents.talents like speed,reflexes,maniac work ethic,etc,etc,he HAD NO WEAKNESSES.nor did he bite when frustrated,in fact he didnt frustrate,flawless.he stood alone in his very own league.i dont know how he found guys to fight him actually.
dempsey981 1 year ago
@LilWayne5272 Well he´s good but he ante no Sugar
meynard1 1 year ago
@meynard1 He is sweater than sugar
afgh8anh00d 1 year ago
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Brownpride480 5 months ago
THE BEST FIGHTER EVER "EVEEER" WHO DISAGREES ?
00learner 1 year ago
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Greatest Boxer Ever....!! Sugar Ray Robinson..... 2 Ali..... 3 Roy Jone's Jr
aniteluuesiking 1 year ago
the best of the best´s the great sugar ray!!
D4ndr3v3sn0b 1 year ago
nobody can really say who the best boxers are because everyone has there own opinion
TyronusG13 1 year ago
Dont say Greatest boxers they all were great they had their own style you cant compare them to eachothers, respect them hard men with big hearts.
JonesMOBGang 1 year ago
Jack Johnson the greatest of all time end of story,If the Racists of his day had not railroaded him he would have had a phenominal record but the racists have had their way as they think they have now.Time, time ,time!
ronmartn 1 year ago
And Pacquiao is the first boxer in history to win seven world titles in seven different weight divisions and he is the only boxer to win the lineal championship in four different weight classes. 2 more reasons why Pacquiao is in my Top 10 of All Time.
55rollotomasi 1 year ago
@55rollotomasi: Ok sounds cool.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 In most fights that Jersey Joe fought....he was ahead in most score cards...the problem with most flashy fighters is that they get carried away.....half the time he was winning the fight...even when he lost to rocky he was beating the day light out of him...until one lucky punch that he did not see.....by todays standard, without 13 rounds rocky lost the fight by a mile...In fact he had no chance in that fight...Joe beat himself by over doing it as always and showing off.
Dragoncannon4 1 year ago
@Dragoncannon4: I know that Jersey Joe was beating Rocky when he got hit with that lucky punch. Rocky isn't anything great in my opinion. He beat a lot of old men including Jersey Joe so I'm not singing Marciano's praises either. However, Jersey Joe lost a lost of his fight regardless of wether or not he was ahead in the fight, showing off or whatever. He left no legacy besides winning the title as an old man, didn't fare well against his comp and wasn't an impact on society.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@55rollotomasi - In an era with 17 weight divisions and 4 "world championships" in each division, 7 world titles is not as impressive as it sounds. The 4 lineal titles is impressive, however. Running from random drug testing while being in an era of rampant steroid abuse across many sports creates a cloud of suspicion on Pac's accomplishments, however.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
@comedicstuff I don't think he's running. He just doesn't want to fight on Mayweather's terms. If Pacquiao would do so, he would give Mayweather an advantage, because Mayweather would gain a first victory. A mental one. And in boxing a mental victory is almost as important as a victory in the ring. Winning starts in the mind.
55rollotomasi 1 year ago
@comedicstuff And the steroid accusations against Pacquiao started after he beat De La Hoya, because Pacquiao did not just beat De La Hoya, he gave him an ass-whooping, he beat the shit out of De La Hoya. Pacquiao single-handedly destroyed De La Hoya's carreer. Losing is one thing, but the beating that Pacman gave De La Hoya is boxing history book material. Pacquiao gave De La Hoya such a beating that people started to think that Pacman must be on steroids. That's all it is.
55rollotomasi 1 year ago
@comedicstuff What does it matter that there are four 'world championships' in each division? It doesn't make Pacquiao's accomplishment less impressive. Fact is that he is the FIRST boxer in history to win seven world titles in seven different weight divisions. You can't expect from a boxer to win all four 'world championships' in different weight divisions. It's humanly impossible. No homo sapien can do that. Maybe a Super Saiyan can.
55rollotomasi 1 year ago
@55rollotomasi Minor divisions like Light welter Light fly and so on but the only person to every get half of the true belts was Henry Armstrong. He is far off for being the top ten bro.
meynard1 1 year ago
15 Greatest Boxers of All Time:
1) Sugar Ray Robinson, 2) Muhammad Ali, 3) Joe Louis, 4) Jack Johnson, 5) Henry Armstrong, 6) Sugar Ray Leonard, 7) Willie Pep, 8) SamLangford, 9) Julio Cesar Chaves, 10) Roberto Duran, 11) Archie Moore, 12) Big George Foreman, 13) Joe Gans, 14) Jack Dempsey, 15) Gene Tunney
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago 2
Great list, gotta throw pernell whitaker in there tho
scope1beatbox 1 year ago
@scope1beatbox: For some reason, it's not allowing me to reply to you about Pernell but I will keep trying though.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@scope1beatbox: Check out my comments a dream match up between my second all time fav fighter Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns versus Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@scope1beatbox: for some reason I can't get this information to you!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@scope1beatbox: Type in youtube search: Thomas Hearns vs Pernell Whitaker and you will see my comments. I think you might find it interesting. Unfortunately, I could not provide in the message the actual link. I am sorry about that.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
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@scope1beatbox:
5 Greatest Middleweight Champions of All Time:
1) Sugar Ray Robinson
2) Harry Greb
3) Carlos Monzon
4) Bernard Hopkins
5) Marvelous Marvin Hagler
I will give you my five greatest welterweight champions in a few moments and I will talk to you about Pernell Whitaker too who was one of my favorite fighters.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
Scope Pernell is definetely in my top ten welterweight champions of all time list.
Top Five Welters
1) Sugar Ray Robinson
2) Sugar Ray Leonard
3) Henry Armstrong
4) Kid Gavilan
5) Jose Napoles
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
You wouldn't believe it, or maybe you would. But Pernell was either first best or second best with a win percentage something like 87%. Using boxrecs stats, we compared fighters like Ali, Leonard, Holyfield, Trinidad, Holmes, Duran, Delahoya etc, etc. Holyfield, Leonard and Whitaker were the highest if I can remember and Ali was pretty good but not as good as these guys. Delahoya was the worse. So yeah he's in my top 10 for sure. I would probably put him in at 6.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
He also has a better head to head record, win percentage wise, against "elite" fighters (either champions or former champions) than most all of the great champions no matter what their weight class might be. A friend of mine and myself took a list of former great champions and compared their win percentages against these elite fighters.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@scope1beatbox: Pernell is definetely one of the all time great welterweights no doubt about it! However I don't have him making my top five list. In spite of all that, he defeated most all of his comtemporaries.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@scope1beatbox - Yeah, Pernell Whitaker and Marvin Hagler definitely belong on that list.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
@scope1beatbox ya no kidding... cant believe i just read a list of 15 greats and pernell wasnt even mentioned?!
XxDiddyDidItxX 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 I think Robinson and Louis are somewhat overrated.
Khalifornia 1 year ago
@Khalifornia: all I can say to your comment man is wow!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 All I can say to your nickname is wow, LOL
Yes, I think both Robinson and Joe Louis, especially Louis, are very beatable.
I acknowledge what they have done, but the boxers that came after them would give them all they can handle and more. Only look at the turn the heavyweight division had....Marciano, Ali, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Holmes, Norton, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Klitschko.
I can see Joe Louis in the top 10 in the HW's, but pound for pound? Nooo.
Khalifornia 1 year ago
So how do we judge fighters from different eras because we certainly cant compare them to each other? Once again, you look at their legacy. You look at what they did in their time against their opponents. You look at the impact of the fighter on society. Thats how you determine whose great and whose not. Thats the only thing you can go by and really, nothing more. And that is with any other sport as well.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 The claim that HW's have gotten so much bigger is not true. They got a little heavier, but that's all. Joe Louis is the same size like Holyfield who gave both Tyson and Lewis all they could handle.
Am I telling you that the Klitschko's aren't bigger than Louis, Ali and Frazier? No, but size isn't everyting. Frazier was relentless in the ring because of the time he lived in. THAT's why you can't compare it, boxing was their only chance. College was no option for them.
Khalifornia 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 But I wouldn't call fantasy match up's silly because of the difference between the era's.
Norton vs. Frazier or Foreman vs. Shavers is a dream fight also, and those guys fought in the same era. So what?
All time best-lists are subjective. A list of your top 10 favorite boxers is just as good as a "objective" list of the all time top 10.
Khalifornia 1 year ago
@Khalifornia: You and this need to compare fighters from two different eras is absurd to say the least. Man I can't go by "whatifs"! What if Jim Brown played football today, would he run over Shawn Merriman? Would Lebron James dunk over Bill Russell? Would Mike Tyson knock out Jack Dempsey? I mean c'mon man its stupid to live in la la land. Go by what is relevant and concrete.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
The fact of the matter is, they are not in the same era and so you cant make a fair comparison! Ok? For that very fact, you can't even compare two fighters from different eras, it's ludicrous to make such a notion! Styles have changed, fighters have gotten bigger, etc etc. But most importantly, its not even fair to make a comparison between fighters from two different era.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@Khalifornia: I thought you were making reference to my middleweight top five list. But naww the other list is valid too, very much so. This list isn't about who can be beaten. Of course anybody can be beaten! This list isn't about how somebody would fare against somebody of a different era. The notion that someone from a completely different era would have beaten someone from another era, is a silly one to make.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
The title was first bestowed on Robinson and he has become the epitome of what a fighter must accomplished to be the so called pound for pound king. However, again thats just a subjective thing. This list is my all time greats and its based on legacy, competition and social impact.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@Khalifornia: Also this list is not a pound for pound list. This list is an all time greats list. The pound for pound list is subjective. However the all time pound for pound greatest fighter is Sugar Ray Robinson.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 But you limited it to 15 boxers. There are like 100 all time greats. And that only of the footage era....What about boxers from 300 years ago that we don't know? It's subjective as it can get anyway.
Khalifornia 1 year ago
I am only interested in legacy, competition and social impact. Holmes destroyed Shavers twice! So why in the world would you even consider Shavers in the top 15 is beyond me. A case could be made for Holmes however. I would definitely put Holmes in the top 20 without any problems.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@Khalifornia: 300 years ago? C'mon man be serious! Furthermore, I explain to you what my list is based on. I could do a top 100 list if I wanted to but that would take me probably a year to do since I am also ranking them. I am not interested in fantasy match-ups.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 There is no point about fantasy match up's, it's just fun and not la la land. And absurd? Life itself is absurd you idiot. Don't act as if you invented the plane, super-brain.
Everybody probably fought about one or two fantasy match-up's at some point, you did too.
If I would do a list it would probably be about technique and tactical strength, but that's A LOT of work for nothing.
Khalifornia 1 year ago
@Khalifornia: Ok so give me your top 15 all time greats based on this so called technique and tactical strength, whis is very vague, hardly tangible and similair to fantasy match-ups in terms of criteria. But give it to me anyways, I'm all ears!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 I already said it's a lot of work. It would take a couple of days.
And what is your own criteria, rocket scientist?
Technique and tactical strength is a very good criteria. In the HW division, I'd probably rank Ali over conditioning and one-punch potshotter Marciano.
Because Ali had good conditioning himself and an iron chin, which leaves technique and tactical strength alone. And there's no doubt that Ali is superior in that aspect.
Khalifornia 1 year ago
@Khalifornia: Ok so what you're telling me is you ain't got no list? But yet, you wanna negatively critique my list. Does that make any sense to you? That's like arguing about a subject matter that you don't know anything about.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 I didn't critique your list, I only said that Robinson and Louis are overrated, they're not the god's everybody makes them out to be. Boxing had a major turn post Robinson and Louis.
You can make as many subjective lists as you want. I don't blame you - nobody likes to admit mistakes.
Khalifornia 1 year ago
@Khalifornia: Yeah my list is subjective and you too can create your own subjective list. Buf it you're gonna create a list, at least create a list with some kind of standard(s). Don't go basing your list on some fantasy match-ups. It makes no sense to do that because what would be the measuring stick to determine who would beat who in some fantasy make believe stuff?
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
10 Greatest Boxers of All Time: 1) Sugar Ray Robinson 2) Muhammad Ali 3) Henry Armstrong 4) Willie Pep 5) Joe Louis 6) Joe Gans 7) Roberto Duran 8) Benny Leonard 9) Manny Pacquiao 10) Rocky Marciano
55rollotomasi 1 year ago
@55rollotomasi: I like your list. Give me your explanation for why you have Pacquiao in your top ten of all time greats.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 @jesusneverexisted300 I like your list too. Let me explain why I think Pacquiao is one of the greatest. Its based on the three famous ESPN criteria: achievements, in-ring performance and dominance. I believe that Pacquiao is one of the most dominant fighters ever. He is fast, strong, versatile and explosive. His quick jab and knockout power reminds me of Sugar Ray.
55rollotomasi 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 And he beat some of the best fighters of his generation: Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Marquez, Morales, Barrera, etc. And I'm sure he will beat Mayweather too if he gets the chance.
55rollotomasi 1 year ago
@55rollotomasi : Ok cool. Do you take into consideration that he fought a few of these guys at catchweights?
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 Pacquiao only fought Cotto at catchweight.
55rollotomasi 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 where is Tommy Hearns ?
Tofixx 1 year ago
@Tofixx: Tommy Hearns is one of my all time favorite fighters. When Hearns was fighting, I always rooted for him no matter what. He fought a local boy, I'm from Washington DC, in Sugar Ray Leonard and I was still rooting for Hearns. I always like Hearns style of fighting, I like the fact that he was a tall fighter and he had knock out power. However, I have to be fair to myself and say that Hearns is maybe in the top 30 - 50 but not in the top 15.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 - I say that Marvin Hagler belongs in this discussion, even if it's at # 16. Pernell Whitaker is also somewhere around there. Whitaker could beat any style. He had a little pop at lightweight, but not once he moved up in weight. Still, his lack of KO power didn't hurt him until he was past his prime.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
@comedicstuff : First I want to say I appreciate your comments about Pernell and Marvelous. Please see all of my comments on this page to see what I said about Pernell. He is definetely in my top ten greatest welterweights though I don't have him my top 15 all time greats. Marvelous is in my top five middleweights for sure. Please read all of my comments.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 - If Pernell is in your top ten greatest welterweights, then where do you rank him at lightweight? Pernell accomplished more at lightweight by unifying all 3 belts and becoming undisputed champ there. Rating Pernell is tricky because 2 of his most historically significant fights came at lightweight & junior welterweight - versus Azumah Nelson and Julio Caesar Chavez, respectively. Both were while Pernell was in his prime, also. Pernell had slipped by the time he faced
comedicstuff 1 year ago
De La Hoya (even though many people think Whitaker won) and Felix Trinidad. And Pernell was pretty undersized to be fighting at welter, yet, he was even able to move up to junior middle for 1 fight and take the title from Julio Cesar Vasquez who was like 49-1 at the time and had beaten Winy Wright while dropping winky 4 or 5 times in the fight. Pernell never stayed long in any weight class once he moved up from lightweight. That and his late-career slippage makes it harder to rate him, IMO.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
Pernell was a great great fighter at any weight class and no one can deny that. Like I said in an earlier comment, Pernell has the highest win percentage against other elite fighters something like 87%. Please read my comments to see how we came to this conclusion. As for lightweight greats, I haven't actually done that one yet. Hey why don't you take some time to come up with a top five list and email it to me? I would be so curious of your list.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@comedicstuff: You know you made some great valid points about Pernell and him dominating the lightweight division and his fighting at junior welter. You know I always picture Pernell at welterweight and that was wrong on my part.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 you forgot ray jones jr??? and i think tyson is ahead of jack dempsey....
MrCoolguy6273 1 year ago
@MrCoolguy6273: I am not sure where Jones Jr or Mike Tyson would go because I had not even thought about them when speaking about the all time greats. I am sure they should be in the top 50 but they wouldn't be in the top 30 or maybe not even in the top 40. My criteria is based on what legacy the fighter left, the comp fighters faced and the impact on the society the fighter had., Roy was good but did not or would not face comp. Mike did not have any comp and when he did he lost to all bad!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 you forgot Jersey Joe Walcott......he was great too...the oldest heavy weight champ of all time next to George Foreman
Dragoncannon4 1 year ago
Walcott lost that title a year and a half later to Marciano. His record at fighting for and defending the title was 2 wins and 4 losses. Walcott’s professional record was 51 wins and 18 losses. He lost to Marciano twice by knockouts. He lost to Louis twice and as I mentioned before, one was by knockout. He defeated Ezzard Charles twice but he lost to him twice also. When looking at his overall body of work, Jersey Joe isn’t even in the top 75 in my opinion.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
He fought Louis when he had been fighting already for like 17 years. In two back to back title fights with Louis in 1947 and 1948 (his first title shots), Walcott lost one a split decision and the other a K.O. in round number 11. Most thought that Walcott beat Louis the first time but he lost. Yes it is true that Walcott did win the Heavyweight Championship at the old age of 38. The guy he defeated for the title, Ezzard Charles, was 31.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@Dragoncannon4: Jersey Joe is definitely not in the top 15 not by a long shot. He wasn't really a great fighter. Jersey Joe lost 8 fights in his first 8 years. He wasn't given a shot to fight for any titles until he was an old man.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 joe frazier??? tyson??? Roy Jones Jr.???
zimbo3344 1 year ago
I think that was his biggest mistake. Since then, it has been all down hill for Jones. Also Jones lack competition on his resume and the historians will accuse him of not taking the hard fights. When he finally did take the hard fights, he was destroyed (Tarver & Johnson). He is, in my estimation, the fastest big man ever! Hell he might even be the fastest ever regardless of size! However, I have Jones somewhere in the top 75.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 roy jones, was in his prime one of the best ever... imao ;)
floyd mayweather, n bernard hopkins were also very good...
zimbo3344 1 year ago
@zimbo3344: Hopkins and Mayweather are in the top 25 easily! I have Hopkins as the 4th Greatest Middlewieght of All Time. Floyd is one of the best ever lil man and for certain the best fighter in the last 10 years hands down!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@zimbo3344: Roy was a great fighter but his legacy isn't all that great when you really think about it. I mean there was a time when he fought police officers, firemen, milkman and postmen. I mean he fought the mail man! Now that's just wrong!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 hm okay, but roy also fought james toney n hopkins in their primes...
zimbo3344 1 year ago
@zimbo3344: No he did not fight them in their prime. He fought both of them when they were young. Toney happen to have the belt but he had not had it that long while Hopkins didn't have a belt yet. I like Jones don't get me wrong but, he doesn't have the legacy that his contemporary BHop has. He ran away from the jr middleweight and middleweight division into the light heavyweight div because he did not want to face the hard competition. Where as BHop fought in the tougher division.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
However, he had no competition when he was a young man and when he reached his peak, he lost to Holyfield (2), Douglas and Lewis by ko’s. He also stayed in the game too damn long taking beatings from C minus level fighters at the end of his career. Jones? The book is still out on him, he started off like a house of fire but made the big mistake of going to heavyweight and coming back down to light heavyweight so quickly.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
Frazier is up there maybe in the top 25 - 30 simply because he fought during the best era for the heavyweight division ever in the history of the heavyweight division. He beat Ali so that should put him up there for that reason alone. He didn't fare to well with big George getting beat up twice by Big George but other than that Frazier is way up there. Tyson, in my book was decent but he wasn't all that special. He is the youngest champ ever so he should be in the top 50.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 Nice list. Lots of sentiment though, lots of old school fighters. Guys like Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield and Roy Jones Jr deserve a place in there.
bcibibcibcpCB 1 year ago
Whenever you can be mentioned in the same breath as Muhammad Ali you know you have to be special. Evander Holyfield was a 3 time world Heavyweight Champion the only other fighter to have accomplish this is Ali. Lennox defeated every fighter that he has faced. Not many heavyweights, if any, can make that claim. Even Ali can not make that claim to fame!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@bcibibcibcpCB: Sorry I am just now responding to you. I already spoke about RJJ. Please see my comments about him that I posted a couple of days ago. Lennox and Evander (who happens to be one of my all time fav fighters) are way up there.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 No, prob. I understand RJJ is controversial. Because of his loses after he was 35 and maybe because rumors of to many hand picked compition. Stil, the guy was unstoppable in his prime, and even a few years after that. He also was the second middleweight in history to capture the heavyweight crown. That gives him a place on the list for me, but not the top ten.
bcibibcibcpCB 1 year ago
@bcibibcibcpCB: Yeah the fact that he won the heavyweight title is a remarkable accomplishment. Had he retired after that fight with Ruiz, I would have had him in the top 15 maybe in the top 10. However he messed up by sliding after gaining the Heavyweight title. He might be the only fighter to win ttles at middle, light heavy and heavy. Based upon those accomplishments I have to put him in the top 50 in spite of his lack of comp. Who is the second middlweight to gain the heavyweight title??
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
The first was Bob Fitzsimmons. Way back, around 1880.
About Jones, his compitiion wasn't always the best ,but he did beat great fighters like Toney and Hopkins. What happend to Jones is typical for unorthodox fighters relying on their magnificent speed and reflexes. They get away with their unorthodox style when they'r young, at older age the reflexes go down and their style collapses. Same happend to Ali, only Ali had a superhuman chin witch allowed him to absorb the punches he used to dodge.
bcibibcibcpCB 1 year ago
@bcibibcibcpCB: Wow I did not know that Fitzsimmons fought in the middleweight division! How did I miss that?? Not only did Ali have a superhuman chin, he was super curageous. Ali had a lot of heart and ring intelligence. Did you know that before Holmes, Ali had never been stopped?! This is amazing giving the fact that Ali fought like 20 monsters during his boxing career. Oh by the way when he was stopped by Holmes, he was a sick man. That fact makes it all the more extraordinary!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
He actualy had the middleweight weight for his entire career. So he realy was a middleweight knocking out heavyweights. A great fighter indeed.
Ali was never realy stopped. You can't count Holmes. And like I said, Ali's style let him down in the later part of his career. He ate the best shots of men like Shavers. A guy that can't be stopped, who can go on for 15 rounds like a machine. Funny how people say Tyson would ko him, Tyson who ran out gas after 5 rounds.
bcibibcibcpCB 1 year ago
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@bcibibcibcpCB: LOL! Yeah I just laugh at people who say that Tyson could beat Ali. These people don't know what they are talking about. You know I am going to take this weekend to research and get reaquainted with Fitzsimmons. I need to re learn him and learn some new things about him. I do vaguely remember that Fitzsimmons fought a smaller weight but did not know that he was a middle who eventually fought at heavy or who fought bigger fighters. Thanks for the info!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 mike tyson
boxedd1 1 year ago
@boxedd1: Mike Tyson is not in the top 15. He's not even no where near it!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 yeah he is mike tyson in top 10
boxedd1 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 yeah he is mike tyson in top 10 and muhammad ali is top
boxedd1 1 year ago
@boxedd1 alt in the best of all time fuck you
XxDiddyDidItxX 1 year ago
@XxDiddyDidItxX alt ?
boxedd1 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 1 sugar ray robinson 2 rocky marciano 3 joe louis 4 suger ray leonard 5 roy jones jr 6 jake lamotta 7 joe frazier/george forman 8 jack dempsey 9 roy jones jr 10 archie moore 11 jack dempsey 12 Henry Armstrong 13 muhammed ali 14 mike tyson (early carrier when cus d'maco was alive) 15 roberto duran
MrJackejr 1 year ago
@MrJackejr: What is your rationale for having Ali so low and Marciano so high? Also why is Frazier tied with Foreman for number 7??
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 Because i do not like muhammed ali as a fighter and i like rocky better. because i did not know where to put them :P
MrJackejr 1 year ago
@MrJackejr: How could you not like Ali the fighter??!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 I just think his overrated and does not deserve the title "the greatest of all time".
MrJackejr 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 and i think he is not a better fighter then rocky,ray rob .....
MrJackejr 1 year ago
@MrJackejr: You must be sippin on some gin and juice if you think Rocky is better than Ali.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
@jesusneverexisted300 Ali has no chance against rocky!!! END OF DISCUSSION
MrJackejr 1 year ago
@MrJackejr: LOL!!
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
This dude is amazing
upurs323 2 years ago 2
call the police !!! the king of the ring is here!!!
germansuplex12345 2 years ago 2
redjam40 you pretty much described him he is a combo of leonard, hearns, hagler lol
portilop 2 years ago
People forget how difficult it was to fight Sugar Ray Robinson. He had the Boxing skills of say Sugar Ray Leonard (In our modern times), the power in both hands like Tommy Hearns (In our modern times), and he also had a "Jaw" like Chavez or Marvin Hagler (In our modern times). Boy could he take a shot
He was also agile and also had great reflexs.
redjam40 2 years ago 11
sugar ray robinson ali nd joe louis wer the best 3 boxers ever!
yousaf1995 2 years ago 7
TheMTTO my friend ali would be horrible at middle weight he would be too lanky, and everyone at the middleweight division is pretty much fast
portilop 2 years ago 2
@portilop
yes,ubt in middle weight they r much more weaker then ali and cant take punches as ali could... its better box in middle weight to watch,but middle weight cant win heavyweight boxer of same class... or he will lose more then win...
xlordxboris 2 years ago 2
Cool vid clip. Nicely put together. I enjoyed it, thanks, bro'.
Kedbuka 2 years ago 3
1:36, best punch in boxin history
Hydro2oo9 2 years ago 6
Fastest left hook that I've ever seen.
Jecxbox 2 years ago
but my friend imagine ray robinson at heavyweight lol
portilop 2 years ago 6
P4P Robinson might edge Ali, but imagine Ali at middleweight? geeeez!
TheMTTO 2 years ago
hi there loved the video brilliant also i couldnt agree more about comparing him & Leonard he could never go toe to toe like Robison!
chronesefc 2 years ago 5
The only Sugar, the Sweet Sugar Ray Robinson. Hed fight Mayweather, and Pacman in the same month and knock them both out. Easily P4P #1
Irshkboy 2 years ago 10
Awesome fuckin closer man. My fave sugar ray high light vid by far.
mickel1470 2 years ago 4
There is only one song for Ray and that's Jimi Hendrix Voodoo Child. "When I stand up next to a mountain, I chop it down with the edge of my hand" You can't put spam on the same plate as caviar.
TrevorDeanM 2 years ago
he actually leaned on his opponent with his punches from what i can see here.
terga1 2 years ago
ray was better after his comeback. just look at the last few fights on this highlight.
tmotleygoldstein 2 years ago
to bad they didn't have better tv in those days
Master553300 2 years ago
Increible
pedritooo24 2 years ago 3
greatest p4p fighter of all time. reflexes, handspeed, power, footwork, chin, stamina, ability to put power n a punch from minimal distance. woooooow
builtprodigy89 2 years ago 3
Agreed, I am a Filipino and as much of a fan of Manny Pacquiao as I am, Sugar Ray Robinson blew him out of the water p4p. Along with the things said above, he had a great ring presence.
SquishyKitty 2 years ago 3
at 1:38 the music matched the video perfectly great job!!
masmaiz3188 2 years ago 2
It's like sugar ray is in a league of his own his opponent's were no match for him, his the greatest without a doubt
tolendoi123 2 years ago 2
great video, perfect song
brawilli 2 years ago
best boxer to ever lived
ballaboi8 3 years ago
yeah mate, great video, bad music. cheers though :)
ROCKYMARCIANOXX0 3 years ago
You took someones fantastic highlight and put shit music on it and ruined it.
Congratulations.
Nisp 3 years ago
Exactly, that's why I made a remake.
bbbrs17 3 years ago
its great to have a cousin like this on the family tree... its an honor
soldassein 3 years ago
140-1-2. in 10 years. even muhammad calls him the GOAT.
kilomeister 3 years ago 2
The Rock is MAYBE in my top ten. SRR is the best lb 4 lb. A beautiful boxer to watch.
theonlysaltspring 3 years ago 3
once again the crapp music spoils da vid
kylecyclopdoddsmole 3 years ago
not only was Rocky not one of the best heavyweights ever, he wasn't even one of the best middleweights ever. Marciano is just the result of racism and white people wanting a white person to compare to the black champs. The fact that he was compared to Ali in a computer match proves this, anyone who thinks Marciano could last a round with Ali is insane. I'm sorry if George Foreman couldn't knock out Ali, Rocky wouldn't even be able to land a single punch that hurt Ali, foreman hits what3x harder?
owlshour 3 years ago 5
there is no fighter to date with the heart and work ethic coming up to a fight as rocky marciano, the number of punches he threw in 1 fight would make the numbers of fighters even today look embarassing, he was probably one of the most conditioned fighters ever, and fought as heavyweight at 185lbs against many 225+lb fighters. he also has the best knockout/win percentage of any fighter. with that said.......sugar ray robinson is the P4P BEST FIGHTER TO LIVE..still to this day.
jayo7847 3 years ago
for those who gonna say dumb shit, by live i dont mean living today i just mean ever..... this man was AMAZING, ali himself has called robinson the p4p greatest fighter
jayo7847 3 years ago 2
by the way, many of your favorite mma fighter fedor has the same boxing technique has rocky marciano...the complete unorthodox style of throwing punches from a lean to the right, the difference is fedor is more conservative with his punches. dont believe me watch their videos, and notice they both suffer(ed) from the same hand injury due to their unorthodox and wild punching...lets see if fedor ends undefeated as well
jayo7847 3 years ago
George didnt hit Ali with his best punch the Right Uppercut. If he woulda good night Ali. And look what Henry Cooper did to Ali. He was robbed of that fight thanks to Angelo Dundee and tearing the glove and illegal smelling salts. The Rock woulda destroyed Ali. The master stalker woulda cornered him and gone to work.
Quicknsick 2 years ago
are u out of ur mind. foreman has soooo much respect for ali because foreman knows that he gave ali everything...everything! n yet the champ prevailed. cooper was an awesome fighter. but ali went to work and smoked his ass. ali in his prime is the greatest heavyweight of all time. of all time
builtprodigy89 2 years ago
exatcly ali was hit by everything foreman gave him. ali used the rope-a-dope technique on foreman and thats how he won. i think ali and rocky marciano are both the greatest
DivineDynasty23 2 years ago
Dude,you are out of your mind.Marciano,185 lbs 5'10 could literally not lay a glove on Ali.Liston was bigger,faster, a better boxer and could punch a hell of a lot harder than Marciano and he couldnt touch Ali, so how would Rocky?
teleman84 2 years ago 4
liston didnt have stronger punches then marciano.Experts says that.He wasnt better boxer also,but for ali vs marciano o agree.Ali is better
xlordxboris 2 years ago
srr vs hagler would be a good fight with the enevitable ending
sexonfire12 3 years ago
look how fundamentally sound he hits. He gets his legs and hips into the punches and has perfect balance.
That's what makes great fighters, you must have your basics first, then you can make flashy moves.
It's those subtle skills, the small movements, the angles a grat fighter uses that separate him from the rest. Unfortunately most people don't honour this enough and just watch for the spectacular KOs and so. But that's not what makes a figter great.
dominikkeul 3 years ago 5
well said man, SSR is the greatest
ju5t47h3h3110vi7 3 years ago
who is ssr isnt it srr
sexonfire12 3 years ago
pound for pound the best ever, after 40 still the best fight ever, rank #1<