That's a matter for interpretation isnt it? These people are gutless cowards that plant bombs under cars and kill innocent men, women and children. You really don't get it do you. What a shameless hypocrite you must be. I feel sorry for you, You ignorant, chav cunt.
@starryian007 Just so you know the total amount of innocent people killed (including women and children) in the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan stands at 110,000 (FACT).How much of that the UK is responsible for is impossible to know but it is certainly an astronomic figure.
Compare it to the scummy splinter groups in the North over the last 10 years and you haven't a fucking leg to stand on.Ye are a disgrace of a nation,absolutely disgusting murdering cunts.How fucking dare ye!!
@starryian007 Also,who created the IRA do you think?No British invasion = No creation of the IRA.You reap what you sow,just as all the countries who have stuck their noses into the Middle East's oil have found out.And don't give me this World Police bullshit.Ye are the greediest fucking nation that has ever graced this world.Africa,the Middle East,Asia etc etc etc etc.
Including the handling of the "famine",the terror and hurt that GB has caused this island has been astronomic.
@1984ioc Always blame someone else right? It's an excuse that has no end. This regressive look at things helps no-one. How on earth are you supposed to move forward if all you are doing is looking at the past? Let me tell you a little about interference. Ireland have stuck their noses in other people businesses for just as long as the British have - who was it that helped the Nazi's in World War II??? It was none of your fucking business yet you did. So let's not be hypocrites shall we?
@starryian007 The Irish did not collaborate with the Nazis.Heard it all before.De Valera did send condolences to the German Embassy when Hitler died yes but he also sent up fire trucks to Belfast when that was being bombed.Also when you say the Irish,you say it like the whole island got behind them.Really?Is that what you think.Go and do some research and find out how many irish gave their lives during WW2 and come back to me then.Please try telling people in the North to forget about the past
@starryian007 Also have you not more pressing matters in the Middle East then to be looking up videos of the past in NI.Your nation is a fucking disgrace.America's little bitch and no problem sending your own troops to their deaths let alone all those civilians.And as i said earlier ye were the ones who created the IRA.Once again you reap what you sow.
@1984ioc You go ahead and play the 'blame game'. It's all you understand. You shot your own people, you murdered, maimed, butchered and stole, lied, betrayed and tricked so many other human beings. Not one word of condolence about the hundreds of men, women and children that were so cowardly murdered. This works both ways and whatever happened that was british responsibility I accept and feel deeply sorry for.
That is the difference beween the sides. You are a cowardly, hypocritical scumbag.
That Tony Millar is such a dozey cunt! I'm a Loyalist and even I could answer the questions on behalf of the IRA better than he could! When asked "why did you bomb the centre of Derry?" he could just have said "because the centre of Derry served only one part of the community - the Prods" instead of saying "Duh...because the leadership instructed us to." Simpleton.
@Doireboy1991 I think its called "back draft". The house was on fire and they opened an interior door which fed the fire with oxygen, and accelerated the flames outwards.
@barbasika1 the uff dont make me laugh what did yous actually do other than kill innocent catholics yous wouldnt beat snow of a rope fucking crowd of faggots
@skoi87 and Boston too - sorry mate, couldn't forget the support and dedication for a United 32 County Irish Republic from the People of the great City of Boston. Tiocfaidh Ar La mo chara
14 DEATHS, NOT 13. and to the somment below, Bloody Sunday Commemorations are annual in Derry, Glasgow, Belfast, Cork - all over the Island of Ireland.
the Brits behaved with a gung ho attitude that is typical of the americans. things could have been peacefully resolved if the brits had stood up to the unionists.
@janisakironmaiden A dumb comment. Are you honestly trying to use the 'British are Imperialist bastards' argument for all of Ireland's ills? Easy to make that assumption isnt it?
If that is the only way you can try to salve your conscience regarding the appalling atrocities committed by by sides. If that is the way you try to justify the sickening cycle of violence which got completely out of hand. Then I suggest you try to pry open a very closed, biased and narrow mind.
@starryian007 i was making a point, he said that the IRA wouldent last long in afghanistan, i said that the ira was not interested in invading cuntries on the other side of the world. im not blaming every problem in ireland on the brits. im simply saying that the ira is not conserned with acting as a world police. u are narow minded when u think my coment had mech to do with ireland at all.
@janisakironmaiden There's me thinking you made a comment about Ireland on a video about (drum roll) Ireland and it's troubles. On the face of it, why didn't I automatically think of Afghanistan? A country several thousand miles away? Especially when watching a video about Ireland. Silly me.
The IRA are not interested in being 'World Police'? Never! A small, terrorist organisation? Who's whole budget could stretch to cover the annual 'Terrorists out on the piss' pub crawl. I dont believe it!
my comment was a reply to schumacher1994s coment saying, "ha. 'war' those nationlists dont know wat a war is. send those hard IRA men out to afghanistan and theyd shit their pants" i made the point that the ira was fighting for their own freedom, not to take other peoples fredom
@janisakironmaiden I agree. The real differences between the IRA and the British were that the IRA cause which the IRA fought for was just and that the IRA don't invade other countries.
@schumacher1994 The I.R.A wouldn't go to Afghan to invade another country. They are defenders not invaders. Anyway why would they shit their pants? They never shit their pants in battle before......what are the guns and bombs different in other countries? No it's the same.....silly ass.
@Flipper79able Don't worry, pal. If There is still IRA, if they are patriots, if they are not cowards, they soon will turn their guns on muslim invaders and islamic missionaries storming Ireland. Better prepare for some serious shit.
Let's be honest the British Government don't want Northern Ireland, for all the Republicans saying "get out of our country", it's a lot harder than that. It cost's the British Government and it's tax payers 6 billions pounds every year to run, the unemployement rate is massive. Do you honestly think the southern Ireland Government want to take on this amount money going out? Gordon Brown would hand it over in a shot if he could, but he can't so fucking get over it, and be realistic you tits.
FUCK OFF! Stop being ashamed you cunt I was there in ulster at the time it was excusable sad ppl died but it was sad that the army had to be there to stop the ira in the first place.
As in all sectarian conflicts, the political is ultimately overtaken by the personal. In the end, people were acting on a human level (i.e. "They killed or hurt people like me and mine, so I've got to kill or hurt people like them and theirs."). It's understandable, but lamentable. That said, if one of mine were killed in such a conflict, regardless of my political leanings, I'd do the same. The thirst for revenge is one of the things that makes us human -- for good (justice) or ill (murder).
And here you go, the brits are still here in force. Unlike what your peanut-sized brain thinks (lol im kidding with the insults m8) Here you go : Ten Permanent British Army bases in Ireland: Abercorn Barracks, Ballykinler Aldergrove Balykinler Training Camp Divis Key Point (Divis Mountain) Duke of Connaughts Unit, Belfast Kinnegar, Hollywood Magilligan Training Camp Massereene Barracks, Antrim Palace Barracks, Hollywood Thiepval Barracks, Lisburn
It depends what part of the city, there are still barracks here yes. Then that might answer your question, although the brits would be way more in the.. more rural areas of n.ireland, like Lurgan, etc. 5,000 of them still here, Light brigade.. or what not! TAL boys!
Which fucking planet you on knob-head. Population of Lurgan would struggle to scrape 5,000, where on gods earth you gonna get 5,000 army??? By, you boys always been good at bending the truth to suit but this claim of you's is summat else boy
What are you talking about? I said 5,000 of them still here, i didnt specifically say just Lurgan mate! Its not 'bending the truth' it is the truth, you dont believe their are army bases still in Belfast & NI? I know of alot of them, you dont know of the one on divis mountain?.. I can get you the names of the barracks if you want. But that might cause your 'brain' to malfunction Ha-Ha!...
Every part of the UK has army there, its to protect the occupants. Maybe what you should have said was they are not "involved" in local matters anymore. The operation ended in July 2007. Longest military campaign in which the British army have ever been involved in. I didn't want you misleading the easily influenced yanks thats all. If I read you wrong then I apologise
Actually you are correct on one small thing, Operation Banner ended 2007, Operation Helvetic begins 2008. You really are living in a dream world mate, you havent heard of the pipe bomb exploding in the new lodge few weeks back? Bombs being defused by the BRITISH army? And you did read me wrong, read again!
In 20-30-40 years from now (and not 2016 as the shinners say/think) we will have a united ireland, the statelet of "Northern Ireland" will cease to exist, face facts because within the St Andrews Agreement and GFA it stated that when the popuatlion (nationalist) votes for a united ireland it will come about - fact. All we have to do is get breeding (sarcasm) and we'll have a UI in no time, sorry mate face facts. By the bullet or the ballot our day will come, what then MrLoyalist, Armed struggle?
Well, MrRepublican, i believe that the majority should have their wish, and the minority, put up with it. If N.ireland ever becomes mostly nationalist, then yes, by all means unite with Ireland, but it is not. right now, it is british. themajority want to be british. and if ever you do unite with the south, then the uvf and uda would have every right to rebel. after all, the IRA did...
Thats no problem, The only problem is that do you think the world would have support for loyalist "rebels", Come on mate, Even read books from senior loyalist gunmen, they say that they couldnt function without the help of the brits/ruc, and most of them were in the UDR - fact. The IRA did not have that much collusion, they procured their own arms, made their own arms, and trained in Libya / near the border.. Do you think Britain will "help" you's again when a UI comes about?
the Loyalist rebels(without inverted commas), would deserve, and gain, as much support from the world as the IRA did, and the English public would support us, though i doubt the government would.
Im sorry, the loyalist rebels so to speak would never gain the international support or "sympathy" that the IRA / INLA and so on did, and do, if you will. And to be honest the majority of england doesnt care about either of our plights they just get on with their lives and most dont give two shites.. The ones that do either have one-sided viewpoints and spout out cliches like - "Brits Out" or "Rule britannia".. but suffice to say 99.99% dont give 2 fucks.
And also the Loyalist paramilitaries would also not be able to (In my own personal view) mount a sustained armed campaign, I mean think about it, they were like babies getting told what to do, where to go, where this "taig" was, how to fire this gun, that gun, where the safe-house the "taig" lived in was, And secondly Loyalist paramilitaries havent got the best track-record in regards to slotting Provo vols now have they? How will they mount attacks on the IDF? But im guessing more Dub&Mon bombs
Well, the majority of Brits heavily oppose the IRA, and at Internationa football matches, during the national anthem, they sing, ''No surrender'', a popoular unionist phrase. Not that i am saying these football fans will rusk to Ulsters aid in the case of a united ireland and join the uvf,lol. Neverhtheless, it is true than a lot more than 0.001% of people give a shit. To be honest, and fair, the UVF is just as well armed as the IRA groups are, as is the UDA.
As an Englishman, most english dont give a toss about ulster and want to move on. however if it became part of the republic, you can imagine the Dail would treat the loyalist/unionist like dirt, in which case english support would kick in. In all probability UDA/UVF would be able to sustain a strong resistance against the irish defence forces/oglaish na heireann, who would be overwhelmed by the task of policing them.
Just a question here: what ever happened to the Unionists in the Irish Free State back in the 1920s? Were they in any way persecuted? Were they just normal citizens of the Irish Free State? Can they/ could they successfuly mobilize as a political block as Protestants as they do in the North?
Yes, they were technical citizens of the Irish free state.
No, they could not successfuly form a political block, due to the mass numbers of people who hated them
my family back in the 1920s, lived in ireland, and i have heard stories of how the protestants(my family was catholic), were persecuted just as badly in the south, as catholics and protestants were in the north.
Thanks for clarifying! I took a course on Ireland back in college, and I've read books on the subject, but very little is out there on Protestant Irish in the Free State/ Republic of Ireland. Cheers.
Many will say otherwise, people who have a certain leaning one way or the other, but all i told you is fact, facts told to me by my own family, who actually took part in the persecuting, so dont let people tell you otherwise. anyway, glad i could help.
Yeah, I heard my dad use the "n-word" once. That doesn't mean the Klan's running rampant where I live or my government's enacting Jim Crow laws, or gerrymandering Derry City Council so certain people's votes are nearly worthless -- if they even qualify to vote. Don't waste our time trying to suggest it's anything like the same. If it had been, where were the Protestant civil rights marches in Dublin, Cork, Limerick? Where was their version of the IRA, protecting their neighbourhoods? Rubblish.
its was much more then name calling...and you know it.
the disapora has nothing to do with what goes on in northern ireland. after all, look how many people world wide are descended from the british, it doesnt mean they all support the UDA or UVF.
dublin does have a say, but it doesnt change the fact that Northern Ireland is part of the UK, and it also doesnt change the fact that the majority of people in northern ireland want to be british.
"the disapora has nothing to do with what goes on in northern ireland"
Ever looked at any of the names of the Americans and Canadians called in to be impartial arbiters? Where do you think the impetus to select such people came from?
"dublin does have a say, but it doesnt change the fact that Northern Ireland is part of the UK"
The door is now officially and explicitly open to that changing, now.
"SF will never gain power."
SF already HAS gained power, and will likely continue to do so.
the disapora has nothing to do with what goes on in northern ireland, because they now live thousands of miles away, on different continents, and are different nationalities. simply having a blood link to ireland means little in the political sense. i myself am one quater irish. yes, maybe they are being called in to be IMPARTIAL arbiters, but it does not mean they will be on the side of a united Ireland. UK will always have N.I.
SF has no strong power, or N.I would be united with EIRE.
"the disapora has nothing to do with what goes on in northern ireland"
You might want to ask MI6 about that. :)
"it does not mean they will be on the side of a united Ireland. UK will always have N.I."
A real misapprehension. The general view abroad is that Britain has involved itself in something that's none of its business, and that it will inevitably withdraw, and all indications are that it's on that trajectory. It's widely seen as Britain's Vietnam, looking for an honourable withdrawal.
"SF has no strong power, or N.I would be united with EIRE."
Ah, so now your tune comes in the key of "no STRONG power". No, no strong power is what they had during the Hunger Strikes. Now, they run councils. Now, they hold the lord mayoralty of Belfast. Now, they are in GOVERNMENT. As for never being part of the Republic, Dublin is already at the table. How can you look at all this and deny that Britain fully intends to quit as soon as "the numbers" allow it to do so with honour? It's obvious.
Well, my own opinion on the matter is that if the majority of Ulster is wants to be be British, then it should be allowed to. I also believe that is the majority wanted to be Irish, then it should become part of Ireland. The fact is, the majority DO want to be British, and so for the Republicans to attack proteatants is really, at best selfish, as they are using means of force to impose something on the population, which most of the population dopes not want.
I agree. But this should in no way be construed as inevitable or permanent.
I also agree that force can't be used to unite Ireland. But that's not to say that the use of force in defending nationalist communities from predation by the majority is illegitimate, particularly when necessitated by governmental negligence or even outright collusion with militant loyalists.
"protestants were persecuted just as badly in the south"
Rubbish. Protestants have, since the outset of an independent Ireland, served on the Garda, served in the Irish cabinet, served as President of the country. They were never jammed into tiny slivers of Dublin or Cork and disenfranchised of their voter rights. They never had to march for their rights or get shot down like dogs for trying to do so. Don't dare compare the treatment of minorities in the south with that in the north.
many protestants were killed in the south,many were persecuted. Their persecution is not as well known as that of the catholics and protestants in the north, and it was not as frequent, but it did happen. it definitly happened.
I don't doubt it happened. But it wasn't widespread, it wasn't systematic, and it wasn't colluded at by the national government -- unlike the treatment of Catholics and nationalists in Northern Ireland.
I've already pointed out that there were no barriers to Protestants holding high office in the Republic; they could, did, and do. But do you know how many Catholics held cabinet positions in the entire history of Stormont before it was folded up in '72? Hold up two fists and count your fingers.
Hang on. On the one hand, you champion the rights of the majority. But then on the other, you threaten violence if it goes against what you want. How can you possibly condemn the IRA, then?
i in no way threate violence, but merely point out that it will most likely happen. I am not saying i would support the UVF and UDA in fighting back, but merely saying it would most likely happen. however, if they did fight back, they would still be no worse than the IRA. however, northern ireland will never become part of ireland, and this is so certain, that the UDA and UVF, have now decomisioned all their arms. a sign of peace, not war, by the UDA and UVF...
anything could happen, including the reuniting of Ireland and Britain into one nation... or the EU could become a large empire resembling that of the Holy Roman empire. Anything can happen, and i would be extremely surprised if one of those three things did not happen.
Of the three, a rise in the nationalist population to meet and exceed that of unionists, with a lower birthrate and children who often leave for educations in Britain and never come back, strikes me as by far the most likely, at some point in the next two generations. If I'd asked you ten years ago if we'd ever see a Sinn Fein Lord Mayor of Belfast, you'd have undoubtedly laughed at the idea. Well, we have. Twice, now. Including the incumbent. Can a SF government be far away?
"his is so certain, that the UDA and UVF, have now decomisioned all their arms"
It may have escaped your notice, but the IRA did it first. By your own logic, one might safely say that THIS is a sign that they are certain a united Ireland is an eventuality. Dublin DOES have a say in things in the north now, after all, something it NEVER had before 1998...
yes, the IRA did decomission their arms first, but immidiatly after that, many other republican terrorist groups sprung up. with the UDA and UVF, decomisioning theirs, that means no more paramilitery groups exist, with strength, on the protestant side. therefore, it is much more significant then when the IRA did it. Yes, Dublin does have a partial say in what goes on in the north, but it is only partial, and the republicans in northern ireland want much more than that.
"it is much more significant then when the IRA did it."
Hardly. Loyalist paramilitaries were a local nuisance. The IRA had such international stature that the British government was finally brought to the table. Thirty years of negotiation grew directly from that; peaceful marching achieved nothing but dead nationalists in the streets. The IRA is, however unfortunately, responsible for modern realities in Northern Ireland. Their decommissioning was INTERNATIONAL news, not a Co. Tyrone headline.
"Yes, Dublin does have a partial say in what goes on in the north"
Which is HUGE, given that even I'm old enough to remember Thatcher's "out, out, out" speech. And Dr. No lived long enough to take his marching orders, at least in part, from Dublin. As it should be.
"the republicans in northern ireland want much more than that."
They do indeed. And they'll keep working for it, and the Diaspora will keep helping them to achieve it.
yeah he got through it but when he went in he was just a member of the fianna the youth wing of the ira,when he came out he graduated as such into the senior ranks
Did he survive it? Locking people up who had nothing to do with the fight and were trying just to simply live their lives will usually blow up in the oppressors face. In America we got lucky that the Japanese-Americans we interned in WW2 were willing to still send their sons to fight in the 442nd in Germany.
How the IRA got weapons from New York would be an amazing book on its own merit. Logistics fascinate me.
CrystalHunter1989 1 month ago
create jobs in your city if only catholics could get jobs back then
pubkrocknroll 1 month ago
That's a matter for interpretation isnt it? These people are gutless cowards that plant bombs under cars and kill innocent men, women and children. You really don't get it do you. What a shameless hypocrite you must be. I feel sorry for you, You ignorant, chav cunt.
starryian007 1 month ago
@starryian007 Just so you know the total amount of innocent people killed (including women and children) in the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan stands at 110,000 (FACT).How much of that the UK is responsible for is impossible to know but it is certainly an astronomic figure.
Compare it to the scummy splinter groups in the North over the last 10 years and you haven't a fucking leg to stand on.Ye are a disgrace of a nation,absolutely disgusting murdering cunts.How fucking dare ye!!
1984ioc 1 month ago
@starryian007 Also,who created the IRA do you think?No British invasion = No creation of the IRA.You reap what you sow,just as all the countries who have stuck their noses into the Middle East's oil have found out.And don't give me this World Police bullshit.Ye are the greediest fucking nation that has ever graced this world.Africa,the Middle East,Asia etc etc etc etc.
Including the handling of the "famine",the terror and hurt that GB has caused this island has been astronomic.
1984ioc 1 month ago
@1984ioc Always blame someone else right? It's an excuse that has no end. This regressive look at things helps no-one. How on earth are you supposed to move forward if all you are doing is looking at the past? Let me tell you a little about interference. Ireland have stuck their noses in other people businesses for just as long as the British have - who was it that helped the Nazi's in World War II??? It was none of your fucking business yet you did. So let's not be hypocrites shall we?
starryian007 1 month ago
@starryian007 The Irish did not collaborate with the Nazis.Heard it all before.De Valera did send condolences to the German Embassy when Hitler died yes but he also sent up fire trucks to Belfast when that was being bombed.Also when you say the Irish,you say it like the whole island got behind them.Really?Is that what you think.Go and do some research and find out how many irish gave their lives during WW2 and come back to me then.Please try telling people in the North to forget about the past
1984ioc 1 month ago
@starryian007 Also have you not more pressing matters in the Middle East then to be looking up videos of the past in NI.Your nation is a fucking disgrace.America's little bitch and no problem sending your own troops to their deaths let alone all those civilians.And as i said earlier ye were the ones who created the IRA.Once again you reap what you sow.
1984ioc 1 month ago
@1984ioc You go ahead and play the 'blame game'. It's all you understand. You shot your own people, you murdered, maimed, butchered and stole, lied, betrayed and tricked so many other human beings. Not one word of condolence about the hundreds of men, women and children that were so cowardly murdered. This works both ways and whatever happened that was british responsibility I accept and feel deeply sorry for.
That is the difference beween the sides. You are a cowardly, hypocritical scumbag.
starryian007 3 weeks ago
That Tony Millar is such a dozey cunt! I'm a Loyalist and even I could answer the questions on behalf of the IRA better than he could! When asked "why did you bomb the centre of Derry?" he could just have said "because the centre of Derry served only one part of the community - the Prods" instead of saying "Duh...because the leadership instructed us to." Simpleton.
BenDavidLevi 6 months ago
@BenDavidLevi like it made much of a difference
IRAneverbeaten 1 month ago
what happend at 0.33??
Doireboy1991 7 months ago in playlist Conflict in Northern Ireland - Provos Documentary
@Doireboy1991 I think its called "back draft". The house was on fire and they opened an interior door which fed the fire with oxygen, and accelerated the flames outwards.
TomEire1 6 months ago in playlist Conflict in Northern Ireland - Provos Documentary
Haha it was the UFF that brought them bastards to the negotiating table.
Couldn't handle get beat at their own game!
W.A.T.P NO SURRENDER!
barbasika1 8 months ago
@barbasika1 the uff dont make me laugh what did yous actually do other than kill innocent catholics yous wouldnt beat snow of a rope fucking crowd of faggots
IRAneverbeaten 1 month ago
Fucking boston Irish Americans dont make me laugh! Very brave shaking tins in irish bars you fucking shit house!
jasonhillery123 9 months ago
Dumb asses.
meotaku2 11 months ago
@skoi87 and Boston too - sorry mate, couldn't forget the support and dedication for a United 32 County Irish Republic from the People of the great City of Boston. Tiocfaidh Ar La mo chara
crossybhoy 1 year ago 3
No1 Fucks with the PIRA
xBoRnSLiiPpY89 1 year ago 3
mc guiness the traitor
Fakeman555 1 year ago
14 DEATHS, NOT 13. and to the somment below, Bloody Sunday Commemorations are annual in Derry, Glasgow, Belfast, Cork - all over the Island of Ireland.
crossybhoy 1 year ago
he should have been thrown out of the beatles
TheKravika 1 year ago 2
Bad what the paras did to those people but its odd how the irish can celebrate the 1800 british killed by the IRA.
NielsShoe 1 year ago
@NielsShoe When do these celebrations occur. Ive never seen any.
Freshhhhh1982 1 year ago
the Brits behaved with a gung ho attitude that is typical of the americans. things could have been peacefully resolved if the brits had stood up to the unionists.
manusdeburca 1 year ago
up the ra brits out
jnjfaith5 1 year ago 3
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@jnjfaith5 ,get this into your skull ,ireland will never be united.
garethella 1 year ago
ha. 'war' those nationlists dont know wat a war is. send those hard IRA men out to afghanistan and theyd shit their pants
schumacher1994 2 years ago
well, that is the real difference between the IRA and the British. The IRA don't invade country's on the other side of the world.
janisakironmaiden 2 years ago 20
@janisakironmaiden A dumb comment. Are you honestly trying to use the 'British are Imperialist bastards' argument for all of Ireland's ills? Easy to make that assumption isnt it?
If that is the only way you can try to salve your conscience regarding the appalling atrocities committed by by sides. If that is the way you try to justify the sickening cycle of violence which got completely out of hand. Then I suggest you try to pry open a very closed, biased and narrow mind.
starryian007 4 months ago
@starryian007 i was making a point, he said that the IRA wouldent last long in afghanistan, i said that the ira was not interested in invading cuntries on the other side of the world. im not blaming every problem in ireland on the brits. im simply saying that the ira is not conserned with acting as a world police. u are narow minded when u think my coment had mech to do with ireland at all.
janisakironmaiden 4 months ago
@janisakironmaiden There's me thinking you made a comment about Ireland on a video about (drum roll) Ireland and it's troubles. On the face of it, why didn't I automatically think of Afghanistan? A country several thousand miles away? Especially when watching a video about Ireland. Silly me.
The IRA are not interested in being 'World Police'? Never! A small, terrorist organisation? Who's whole budget could stretch to cover the annual 'Terrorists out on the piss' pub crawl. I dont believe it!
starryian007 4 months ago
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my comment was a reply to schumacher1994s coment saying, "ha. 'war' those nationlists dont know wat a war is. send those hard IRA men out to afghanistan and theyd shit their pants" i made the point that the ira was fighting for their own freedom, not to take other peoples fredom
janisakironmaiden 4 months ago
@starryian007 first of all the brits are terrorist and exactly how would you know the ira budget ya sad twat making up shite
IRAneverbeaten 1 month ago
@janisakironmaiden I agree. The real differences between the IRA and the British were that the IRA cause which the IRA fought for was just and that the IRA don't invade other countries.
aidenmccloskey 1 month ago
@schumacher1994 The I.R.A wouldn't go to Afghan to invade another country. They are defenders not invaders. Anyway why would they shit their pants? They never shit their pants in battle before......what are the guns and bombs different in other countries? No it's the same.....silly ass.
Flipper79able 1 year ago
@Flipper79able Don't worry, pal. If There is still IRA, if they are patriots, if they are not cowards, they soon will turn their guns on muslim invaders and islamic missionaries storming Ireland. Better prepare for some serious shit.
Lachausis 8 months ago
Let's be honest the British Government don't want Northern Ireland, for all the Republicans saying "get out of our country", it's a lot harder than that. It cost's the British Government and it's tax payers 6 billions pounds every year to run, the unemployement rate is massive. Do you honestly think the southern Ireland Government want to take on this amount money going out? Gordon Brown would hand it over in a shot if he could, but he can't so fucking get over it, and be realistic you tits.
DoubleBubble1984 2 years ago 4
@DoubleBubble1984 of course he cant.he has already got britain in billions of pounds worth of debt from what i hear
kathryn8169 1 year ago
the english government are responseible for has happned to eireland durty bastards tiocfaidh ar la
Daviebhoy25cfc 2 years ago
Uk should of done the black buck raids on New York.
NielsShoe 2 years ago
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Mickey8815 2 years ago 2
i can think of worse crimes against humanity done britain
Paitro202 2 years ago
same
well.. not ashamed to be British but ashamed that our armed forces could act that way.
honestpatriot09 2 years ago 23
@honestpatriot09 dont talk crap
manta400uk 1 year ago
@honestpatriot09 ,youre no patriot.
garethella 1 year ago
@honestpatriot09 patriot? patriot for what? certainly not Britain, probably ireland. You are no patriot of britain.
phantomsuccour 11 months ago
@honestpatriot09 In what way exactly? What would you have them do in their situation?
starryian007 4 months ago
FUCK OFF! Stop being ashamed you cunt I was there in ulster at the time it was excusable sad ppl died but it was sad that the army had to be there to stop the ira in the first place.
folwert 2 years ago
@folwert Brit scum, good to see your 'soldiers' die in Iraq! haha
ForzaCeltic89 1 year ago
Bloody Sunday was only one incident in a very bloody 800 years.
Freshhhhh1982 2 years ago
@Mickey8815
Your English. Not fucking from Ulster. You woulnd't have a clue you cunt
UlsterScotKeith 2 years ago
loyalist scum!!! big drinks when ian paisley cops it
celtickilsyth 3 years ago
As in all sectarian conflicts, the political is ultimately overtaken by the personal. In the end, people were acting on a human level (i.e. "They killed or hurt people like me and mine, so I've got to kill or hurt people like them and theirs."). It's understandable, but lamentable. That said, if one of mine were killed in such a conflict, regardless of my political leanings, I'd do the same. The thirst for revenge is one of the things that makes us human -- for good (justice) or ill (murder).
pascalrascal0503 3 years ago
tommy mckearney. what a legend, what a family.
great trade union organiser now.
larrycake1981 3 years ago
conr16 3 years ago
What is Belfast like today? are the british army still there?
jon2xu 3 years ago
It depends what part of the city, there are still barracks here yes. Then that might answer your question, although the brits would be way more in the.. more rural areas of n.ireland, like Lurgan, etc. 5,000 of them still here, Light brigade.. or what not! TAL boys!
conr16 3 years ago
Which fucking planet you on knob-head. Population of Lurgan would struggle to scrape 5,000, where on gods earth you gonna get 5,000 army??? By, you boys always been good at bending the truth to suit but this claim of you's is summat else boy
walshy2866 3 years ago
What are you talking about? I said 5,000 of them still here, i didnt specifically say just Lurgan mate! Its not 'bending the truth' it is the truth, you dont believe their are army bases still in Belfast & NI? I know of alot of them, you dont know of the one on divis mountain?.. I can get you the names of the barracks if you want. But that might cause your 'brain' to malfunction Ha-Ha!...
conr16 3 years ago
Every part of the UK has army there, its to protect the occupants. Maybe what you should have said was they are not "involved" in local matters anymore. The operation ended in July 2007. Longest military campaign in which the British army have ever been involved in. I didn't want you misleading the easily influenced yanks thats all. If I read you wrong then I apologise
walshy2866 3 years ago
Actually you are correct on one small thing, Operation Banner ended 2007, Operation Helvetic begins 2008. You really are living in a dream world mate, you havent heard of the pipe bomb exploding in the new lodge few weeks back? Bombs being defused by the BRITISH army? And you did read me wrong, read again!
conr16 3 years ago
the people of ulster will get their wish, and remain british.
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
In 20-30-40 years from now (and not 2016 as the shinners say/think) we will have a united ireland, the statelet of "Northern Ireland" will cease to exist, face facts because within the St Andrews Agreement and GFA it stated that when the popuatlion (nationalist) votes for a united ireland it will come about - fact. All we have to do is get breeding (sarcasm) and we'll have a UI in no time, sorry mate face facts. By the bullet or the ballot our day will come, what then MrLoyalist, Armed struggle?
conr16 2 years ago
Well, MrRepublican, i believe that the majority should have their wish, and the minority, put up with it. If N.ireland ever becomes mostly nationalist, then yes, by all means unite with Ireland, but it is not. right now, it is british. themajority want to be british. and if ever you do unite with the south, then the uvf and uda would have every right to rebel. after all, the IRA did...
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
Thats no problem, The only problem is that do you think the world would have support for loyalist "rebels", Come on mate, Even read books from senior loyalist gunmen, they say that they couldnt function without the help of the brits/ruc, and most of them were in the UDR - fact. The IRA did not have that much collusion, they procured their own arms, made their own arms, and trained in Libya / near the border.. Do you think Britain will "help" you's again when a UI comes about?
conr16 2 years ago
the Loyalist rebels(without inverted commas), would deserve, and gain, as much support from the world as the IRA did, and the English public would support us, though i doubt the government would.
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
Im sorry, the loyalist rebels so to speak would never gain the international support or "sympathy" that the IRA / INLA and so on did, and do, if you will. And to be honest the majority of england doesnt care about either of our plights they just get on with their lives and most dont give two shites.. The ones that do either have one-sided viewpoints and spout out cliches like - "Brits Out" or "Rule britannia".. but suffice to say 99.99% dont give 2 fucks.
conr16 2 years ago
And also the Loyalist paramilitaries would also not be able to (In my own personal view) mount a sustained armed campaign, I mean think about it, they were like babies getting told what to do, where to go, where this "taig" was, how to fire this gun, that gun, where the safe-house the "taig" lived in was, And secondly Loyalist paramilitaries havent got the best track-record in regards to slotting Provo vols now have they? How will they mount attacks on the IDF? But im guessing more Dub&Mon bombs
conr16 2 years ago
Well, the majority of Brits heavily oppose the IRA, and at Internationa football matches, during the national anthem, they sing, ''No surrender'', a popoular unionist phrase. Not that i am saying these football fans will rusk to Ulsters aid in the case of a united ireland and join the uvf,lol. Neverhtheless, it is true than a lot more than 0.001% of people give a shit. To be honest, and fair, the UVF is just as well armed as the IRA groups are, as is the UDA.
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
As an Englishman, most english dont give a toss about ulster and want to move on. however if it became part of the republic, you can imagine the Dail would treat the loyalist/unionist like dirt, in which case english support would kick in. In all probability UDA/UVF would be able to sustain a strong resistance against the irish defence forces/oglaish na heireann, who would be overwhelmed by the task of policing them.
pilninggas 2 years ago
Just a question here: what ever happened to the Unionists in the Irish Free State back in the 1920s? Were they in any way persecuted? Were they just normal citizens of the Irish Free State? Can they/ could they successfuly mobilize as a political block as Protestants as they do in the North?
lsnows 2 years ago
isnows
They were persecuted.
Yes, they were technical citizens of the Irish free state.
No, they could not successfuly form a political block, due to the mass numbers of people who hated them
my family back in the 1920s, lived in ireland, and i have heard stories of how the protestants(my family was catholic), were persecuted just as badly in the south, as catholics and protestants were in the north.
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
Thanks for clarifying! I took a course on Ireland back in college, and I've read books on the subject, but very little is out there on Protestant Irish in the Free State/ Republic of Ireland. Cheers.
lsnows 2 years ago
Many will say otherwise, people who have a certain leaning one way or the other, but all i told you is fact, facts told to me by my own family, who actually took part in the persecuting, so dont let people tell you otherwise. anyway, glad i could help.
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
Yeah, I heard my dad use the "n-word" once. That doesn't mean the Klan's running rampant where I live or my government's enacting Jim Crow laws, or gerrymandering Derry City Council so certain people's votes are nearly worthless -- if they even qualify to vote. Don't waste our time trying to suggest it's anything like the same. If it had been, where were the Protestant civil rights marches in Dublin, Cork, Limerick? Where was their version of the IRA, protecting their neighbourhoods? Rubblish.
PatchesRips 2 years ago
its was much more then name calling...and you know it.
the disapora has nothing to do with what goes on in northern ireland. after all, look how many people world wide are descended from the british, it doesnt mean they all support the UDA or UVF.
dublin does have a say, but it doesnt change the fact that Northern Ireland is part of the UK, and it also doesnt change the fact that the majority of people in northern ireland want to be british.
SF will never gain power.
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
"the disapora has nothing to do with what goes on in northern ireland"
Ever looked at any of the names of the Americans and Canadians called in to be impartial arbiters? Where do you think the impetus to select such people came from?
"dublin does have a say, but it doesnt change the fact that Northern Ireland is part of the UK"
The door is now officially and explicitly open to that changing, now.
"SF will never gain power."
SF already HAS gained power, and will likely continue to do so.
PatchesRips 2 years ago
the disapora has nothing to do with what goes on in northern ireland, because they now live thousands of miles away, on different continents, and are different nationalities. simply having a blood link to ireland means little in the political sense. i myself am one quater irish. yes, maybe they are being called in to be IMPARTIAL arbiters, but it does not mean they will be on the side of a united Ireland. UK will always have N.I.
SF has no strong power, or N.I would be united with EIRE.
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
"the disapora has nothing to do with what goes on in northern ireland"
You might want to ask MI6 about that. :)
"it does not mean they will be on the side of a united Ireland. UK will always have N.I."
A real misapprehension. The general view abroad is that Britain has involved itself in something that's none of its business, and that it will inevitably withdraw, and all indications are that it's on that trajectory. It's widely seen as Britain's Vietnam, looking for an honourable withdrawal.
PatchesRips 2 years ago
"SF has no strong power, or N.I would be united with EIRE."
Ah, so now your tune comes in the key of "no STRONG power". No, no strong power is what they had during the Hunger Strikes. Now, they run councils. Now, they hold the lord mayoralty of Belfast. Now, they are in GOVERNMENT. As for never being part of the Republic, Dublin is already at the table. How can you look at all this and deny that Britain fully intends to quit as soon as "the numbers" allow it to do so with honour? It's obvious.
PatchesRips 2 years ago
Well, my own opinion on the matter is that if the majority of Ulster is wants to be be British, then it should be allowed to. I also believe that is the majority wanted to be Irish, then it should become part of Ireland. The fact is, the majority DO want to be British, and so for the Republicans to attack proteatants is really, at best selfish, as they are using means of force to impose something on the population, which most of the population dopes not want.
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
I agree. But this should in no way be construed as inevitable or permanent.
I also agree that force can't be used to unite Ireland. But that's not to say that the use of force in defending nationalist communities from predation by the majority is illegitimate, particularly when necessitated by governmental negligence or even outright collusion with militant loyalists.
PatchesRips 2 years ago
"protestants were persecuted just as badly in the south"
Rubbish. Protestants have, since the outset of an independent Ireland, served on the Garda, served in the Irish cabinet, served as President of the country. They were never jammed into tiny slivers of Dublin or Cork and disenfranchised of their voter rights. They never had to march for their rights or get shot down like dogs for trying to do so. Don't dare compare the treatment of minorities in the south with that in the north.
PatchesRips 2 years ago
patchesrips
many protestants were killed in the south,many were persecuted. Their persecution is not as well known as that of the catholics and protestants in the north, and it was not as frequent, but it did happen. it definitly happened.
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
I don't doubt it happened. But it wasn't widespread, it wasn't systematic, and it wasn't colluded at by the national government -- unlike the treatment of Catholics and nationalists in Northern Ireland.
I've already pointed out that there were no barriers to Protestants holding high office in the Republic; they could, did, and do. But do you know how many Catholics held cabinet positions in the entire history of Stormont before it was folded up in '72? Hold up two fists and count your fingers.
PatchesRips 2 years ago
Hang on. On the one hand, you champion the rights of the majority. But then on the other, you threaten violence if it goes against what you want. How can you possibly condemn the IRA, then?
PatchesRips 2 years ago
i in no way threate violence, but merely point out that it will most likely happen. I am not saying i would support the UVF and UDA in fighting back, but merely saying it would most likely happen. however, if they did fight back, they would still be no worse than the IRA. however, northern ireland will never become part of ireland, and this is so certain, that the UDA and UVF, have now decomisioned all their arms. a sign of peace, not war, by the UDA and UVF...
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
"however, northern ireland will never become part of ireland"
Yeah, we used to say that about East Germany, and there were nukes lined up over THAT one. Never say never.
PatchesRips 2 years ago
correct, never say never.
anything could happen, including the reuniting of Ireland and Britain into one nation... or the EU could become a large empire resembling that of the Holy Roman empire. Anything can happen, and i would be extremely surprised if one of those three things did not happen.
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
Of the three, a rise in the nationalist population to meet and exceed that of unionists, with a lower birthrate and children who often leave for educations in Britain and never come back, strikes me as by far the most likely, at some point in the next two generations. If I'd asked you ten years ago if we'd ever see a Sinn Fein Lord Mayor of Belfast, you'd have undoubtedly laughed at the idea. Well, we have. Twice, now. Including the incumbent. Can a SF government be far away?
PatchesRips 2 years ago
"his is so certain, that the UDA and UVF, have now decomisioned all their arms"
It may have escaped your notice, but the IRA did it first. By your own logic, one might safely say that THIS is a sign that they are certain a united Ireland is an eventuality. Dublin DOES have a say in things in the north now, after all, something it NEVER had before 1998...
PatchesRips 2 years ago
patchesrips.
yes, the IRA did decomission their arms first, but immidiatly after that, many other republican terrorist groups sprung up. with the UDA and UVF, decomisioning theirs, that means no more paramilitery groups exist, with strength, on the protestant side. therefore, it is much more significant then when the IRA did it. Yes, Dublin does have a partial say in what goes on in the north, but it is only partial, and the republicans in northern ireland want much more than that.
UnionoftheBrits 2 years ago
"it is much more significant then when the IRA did it."
Hardly. Loyalist paramilitaries were a local nuisance. The IRA had such international stature that the British government was finally brought to the table. Thirty years of negotiation grew directly from that; peaceful marching achieved nothing but dead nationalists in the streets. The IRA is, however unfortunately, responsible for modern realities in Northern Ireland. Their decommissioning was INTERNATIONAL news, not a Co. Tyrone headline.
PatchesRips 2 years ago
"Yes, Dublin does have a partial say in what goes on in the north"
Which is HUGE, given that even I'm old enough to remember Thatcher's "out, out, out" speech. And Dr. No lived long enough to take his marching orders, at least in part, from Dublin. As it should be.
"the republicans in northern ireland want much more than that."
They do indeed. And they'll keep working for it, and the Diaspora will keep helping them to achieve it.
PatchesRips 2 years ago
for now! TÁL!!
vintagekits 2 years ago
Ticofaidh ar la
The struggle continues!!
brendy178 4 years ago
Wanker!!
walshy2866 3 years ago
yeah he got through it but when he went in he was just a member of the fianna the youth wing of the ira,when he came out he graduated as such into the senior ranks
blockerstumpy 4 years ago
my second cousin was interned
blockerstumpy 4 years ago
Did he survive it? Locking people up who had nothing to do with the fight and were trying just to simply live their lives will usually blow up in the oppressors face. In America we got lucky that the Japanese-Americans we interned in WW2 were willing to still send their sons to fight in the 442nd in Germany.
BrynMawrYamBag 4 years ago
BrynMawrYamBag - coooool name
ImAsMadAsHell 3 years ago