OPERA neutrino experiment on breaking speed of light --- webcast

[faultbreak]

@planckinstein WOP is for American Italian's only. It mean's With Out Papers. From an Italian-American. I thought it was funny though. Maybe that's why it's still ok to bash dago's but no other culture. We aren't sensitive about it.

[faultbreak]

Sorry, Occam's...

[faultbreak]

Occums razor would indicate a problem with the velocity of neutrinos. Since neutrinos change velocity through different mediums (i.e. different densities), the most likely scenario is that the velocity layers (the predicted velocities through the earth's interior) are not correct (takes longer for Ns to go through lead than rock), or the ray paths are not correct . Rather than saying that everything we know about physics is going to change, we should probably look at the most probable scenario.

[iamtheplauge]

The implications of the results were not important to this discussion that took place, only the validity of the experiment. People get on topic here!

[charlotteemmaford]

Given that a neutrino can travel through dense objects , and given that if you shine light at solid object the beam is unable to shine through it but is forced to travel round it ;the winner of the speed race would naturally be the unstoppable neutrino. ???

[TheDouchesupreme]

@MrHair48 Nice Bohr quote...close enough anyway. 

[NilsonAnnoni]

Mais rápido que a luz....... já vi este filme. kkkkkkkk

[VNCH001]

Faster than light has been predicted in The Theory Of Invariance:

youtube.com/watch?v=IJAqw8MRD0­Q



[Ishayau]

Any one knows where the raw data for the experiment can be downloaded? I would like to conduct an independent MSA analysis of the data results.

[insightllc]

@Ishayau YOU ARE 100 YEARS LATE. YOU THINK THE WOULD TELL YOU. THEY DON'T TELL YOU ANYTHING UNLESS IT MAKES MORE MONEY TOLD. NOT A FUCKING THING.

"All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light." Nikola Tesla, July 10, 1932

[insightllc]

@Ishayau "If you only knew The magnificence of the 3, 6 & 9; then you would have a key to the universe" -Nikola Tesla

That decision was the U.S. Supreme Court Decision No. 369 which said Tesla invented Radio not Marconi BUT THE DECISION WAS

MADE SIX MONTHS AFTER TESLA WAS DEAD

I SOLVE THE RIDDLE OF TESLA.

NIKOLA TESLA MADE EARTHQUAKES

[insightllc]

@Ishayau FASTER-THAN-LIGHT DATA WAS SENT TO THE PAST

Einstein the figurehead. Tesla died on the cross for our sins. Disaster the sacrifice that was let to be... or no more Vegas and Wall Street you see. Revelation I'll write and one day send Faster-Than-Light.

[LeconsdAnalyse]

Blah..Blah..Blah..,

All that the clip shows is the experimental design. They say nothing of the possibility of ultra-high energy anomalies.

[JaySmith91]

@LeconsdAnalyse At this stage, it would be foolhardy to jump to speculating before scrutinising all of the technicals.

[Avalaros]

@LeconsdAnalyse Sorry, no sensationalist bullshit here.

[LeconsdAnalyse]

@Avalaros

And yet, they claim that Einstein`s relativity is fundamentally incorrect.

[Avalaros]

@LeconsdAnalyse They didn't claim anything. They just elaborated their experimental efforts and conclusions. Now, the field's open for further, independent testing and - after confirmation through unrelated institutions - theories about the special points of SR and GR that could be wrong in regard to certain different particles.

They especially stated that they don't want to jump to any assumptions - several times throughout the whole conference.

This is how science is done.

[insightllc]

@Avalaros Time travel was accomplished Faster-Than-Light Nikola Tesla stole the world for JP Morgan like a thief in the night. YOU THINK THEY TOLD YOU (FTL)? They won a million lottos now you can go to hell. "All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light." Nikola Tesla, July 10, 1932

[SteelFyire]

@LeconsdAnalyse Technically it would be special relativity (or causality) that would be invalidated by these results.

[LeconsdAnalyse]

@SteelFyire See, "High-Energy Tests of Lorentz Invariance" (20 Jan1999),

By Sidney Coleman and Sheldon L. Glashow,

Lyman Laboratory of Physics Harvard University.

[jfkmm1]

Tesla was the true genius of this world all others were phonies

[greiteneis]

THANK YOU!

[raysubject]

what if maximum speed of light is higher than we measured in experiments ? maybe photons are interacting with dark matter and this causes that in our part of space they are moving constantly slower than somewhere outside of galaxies, where is not present dark matter ... neutrinos maybe didn't interact with DM, and this causes that locally, at places where is higher concetration of dark matter, they can move faster than photons, but still slower that maximal possible speed of photons ...

[raysubject]

what if speed of l

[Anddy002]

The OPERA experiment is a proof of extra dimension. The future will confirm that!

Here is an explanation to the differences in time that the OPERA experiment states:

Space-time is curved by matter and all our measurements for distances are down to the bone dependent on electromagnetic radiation and wavelengths that move on that surface the space-time provides. The neutrino can on the other hand move through space-time in a hyperspace of a higher order than the space-time...

[Anddy002]

The neutrino has the ability to move freely and is NOT dependent to move along the curvature of space-time. As space-time is curved between the distances of CERN and Gran Sasso light will need MORE time than the “free” neutrino to cross that distance in hyperspace.

[Anddy002]

Read more at konvektionsteorin.n.nu

[SillyScyllia]

you're probably thinking "why did i click on this video" you're not alone xD

[jednoucelovy]

I wonder what the acceleration and top speed of a space vehicle would be if a steady stream of superlight neutrinos were used as a propellant :-)

[edbingey]

@jednoucelovy It would distintegrate, wouldn't it? Or, neutrinos couldn't propel anything.

[rmstock]

Dr. Autiero, You state that after traveling for 730 km's the muon neutrino particle is 20 meters ahead of the light particle. Does it not worry you that your magnificent OPERA Neutrino Detector at San Grasso's has about the same size in length ? What considerations, translated to uncertainty in nano seconds, did you take in account regarding the size of the detector itself? The same holds of course for the dimensions of the point of departure at CERN.

[mmKexik]

@rmstock He's explaining that at 9:01 if I'm not mistaken.

[fulely]

Relativistic Perturbation Mantles ( a self contained antimatter) variable vibrations are faster than the speed of light

[legalis1]

so these UFOS we in counter, could actually be made up of these neutrinos and are not from this UNIVERSE

[homayoun2012]

Something should be wrong.

[MrRabRub]

Im typing my message for you to be in 2011 to tell u that we are in 2033 and we have discovered that Neutrinos are faster than the light and we are sending this information back in time to inform you thx :)

[brainybaboon]

@Freeleacher The neutrino's would be 20 meters ahead after traveling that much a distance.

[INMATE2468]

E=MC√=LIGHT GOT OWNED lol idk wat the hell i wrote

[truantz91]

@Freeleacher they were 60 billionths of a second faster with an uncertainty of around 20 billionths of a second

[MrLastDruid]

Does anyone know ... Is it possible that neutrino did not cross speed of light but "cheat" on distance, i mean right now we don't know time stamps during the travel from point A to point B. Maybe this is the first discovery of neutrino multi-dimensional nature. How we could be sure that neutrino pass whole distance? 60.7uS is equivalent to around 20m if i am right. Can anyone explain?

[coohhooc]

Can someone explain why heisenberg uncertainty principle has nothing to do with this experiment? I can not figure it out myself. Thanks.

[frankfritter35]

@coohhooc The uncertainty principle states that looking for/at a particle (electron in the actual paper) will always lead to an uncertainty. We perceive objects via a phonts reaction with the object then moving to our eye. but the energy of the photon will move the particle, and by the time the photon reaches our eye, the position of the particle has changed. i.e. uncertainty.

[jorgepeterbarton]

@frankfritter35 eye/detector is the same thing in regards to that principle, surely.

[frankfritter35]

@jorgepeterbarton hardly. Detecting an impact is very different from a visual detection.

[jorgepeterbarton]

@frankfritter35 does it still have some affect on the particles though? would it be the same as an 'unobserved' particle? i see what you mean, as photons or anything else are not exchanging information until the particles pass the finish line- i wasn't sure how detectors worked.just going off topic here...

[frankfritter35]

@jorgepeterbarton Not really. Neutrinos are pretty hard to stop. What is being detected is nothing more than their presence. We are not trying to quantify any other information about them, except that they were at x point in y time. It is the difference between seeing a car crash and being the thing it hit.

[frankfritter35]

@coohhooc we are noot trying to look a them, just detect their impact on a detector. so uncertainty does not come into play.

[adi87tya]

@coohhooc It's because the momentum of the neutrino is determined from the circumstantial factors, not measured. So uncertainty in momentum doesn't come into play.

[RedwoodGear]

why is their method of clock synchronization involving GPS systems better than synchronizing two master clocks inside the a lab and then shipping the one of the clock to a remote location by driving? Its only 1000km driving distances. So a driver should be able to ship one of the synchronized master clock to the destination within a day.

[aongho]

@RedwoodGear by simply moving (more specifically accelerating) the clock, special relativity dictates that the one that moves will undego time dilation and so no longer be synchronised to the requisite accuracy. They would still be accurate to millionths of seconds, so it doesnt have any real world consequences, but they would not be synchronised for the purpose of this experiment

[Dernesh76]

I'm at 10:36 now and my head is starting to hurt.

[TheRayes08]

amazing!!!

[PHONEYPOLITICS]

"Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light" these 'faster than light' neutrinos do not have a measurable mass hence they are essentially 'nothing' - so this if anything proves Einstien correct. Also what about these neutrinos taking short cuts in 'higher dimensions' (unprovable) - and can someone explain to me how the experiment accounts for the time dilations of travelling near or at (and esp even a tiny bit faster) than light.

[EndureTemptation]

@PHONEYPOLITICS

To your first argument: even if particle has no mass, it still carries information.

[Sooung]

Neutrinos may be mass less but so are photons (light). Time dilation affects the traveler, not the observer. The scientists and their equipment are not traveling at or near the speed of light so they are not subject to time dilation.

[ZeroHumans]

@Sooung nothing to do with time.. that's just another religion of earth humans.. like the "big bang" fairy tale. Einstein was an idiot.

[InXLsisDeo]

@ZeroHumans

I know the internet is a place where the dumbest idiots have the same right to speak out as the others, but their presence doesn't make it any better so please, shut the f... up.

[ZeroHumans]

another human with dilating time in the mass less brain cells

[riddleman65]

@Sooung

Neutrinos are not massless. If they were, this wouldn't be that big of a deal.

[aongho]

@Sooung they are still subject to time dilation, just to very small levels

[ZeroHumans]

@PHONEYPOLITICS so in your opinion neutrinos are "nothing"??? You're as dumb as the earth scientists. Do you also believe the cookie monster randomly make the universe in a "big bang" only 13 billion years ago from a tiny spot of nothing? Earth people should stop breeding.

[R34lB0rg]

this recording is driving me crazy! first the crapple cannot keep up with the audio stream; later the user is repeatedly showing how he switches between primary and secondary stream.

[danmu]

The A/V guy, who keeps switching (and cutting off audio), is driving me insane lol

[EndureTemptation]

@danmu

Yes - this video requires editing, which has been sacrificed for the sake of publication speed.

[danmu]

@EndureTemptation nah....I'm thrilled this video is here. Thanks to everyone who made it possible. I watched it closely and we're all lucky to be able to see it :) It was just that when they switch cameras from the computer presentation to the stage (and then back again), they lose audio. Often it would happen without reason.....still, I'm thrilled the vid is online :)

[bbg5000]

Whats with all the people coughing throughout this presentation? That's one annoying room.

[chi4cordas]

Warning: By watching this video you´ll be participating in humankind movement in real time. There´ll be no rearviewmirror image to keep you safe and not even the outcome of this process, whether it turns out to be correct or not, is relevant to the fact. :p

[TheGatoChile]

FAKE AND GAY

[timotyhmit]

This still is not as fast as a Chuch Noris round house kick!

[fortcollinsguy22]

Protip: Time isn't real.

[MountThor]

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

[aikfanat]

Tesla was right!

[jfkmm1]

@aikfanat: what was tesla role in this?



[rs199208]

@jfkmm1 ‎"All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light." Nikola Tesla Brooklyn Eagle July 10, 1932

[BipolarNerd]

I wish i could understand this..

[rvd2]

love the english to the first guy :P

[Alephify]

If this is true, it gonna change the world... im proud to be here to see it!

[SuperKA85]

I love how I'm view 308 of something that can potentially change just about everything we know about the physical world. Physics is the fundamental math, the basis of most of what we understand in the mathematical language. Millions should be watching this. The point is disproving a theory still commonly used to explain phenomenon in this world as we know it; is extremely important in the advancement of just about everything!

[lonogugeadult]

This experiment is meaningless until it is repeated 100 times + Its hard enough to make accurate measurements of particles near at quantum level(being illusive is part of their property) so It seems like there is allot of room for errors. I will admit that if this is true the significance will be simply overwhelming.

[shenmuere]

@lonogugeadult My friend you are thinking in terms of high school experiments, from CERN to INFN Gran Sasso Laboratory there were approximately 16000 recorded events of neutrinos detection ( more than your stated 100 times+ plus). And when you said its hard to make measurements near quantum level. Not in this case because the point of this experiment is not to capture a single particle. Its easy to capture any desired particles if you know the probability graph of them. As stated in this web

[shenmuere]

@lonogugeadult as stated in this webcast, over the 730 km radius, there was an accuracy of 20 cm, which means as long as the neutrinos were in that radius, we will not care about capturing a specific one, so we captured many events of them, and that is enough to show results with specific evidence. So it is pointless to say we need to do this experiment 100 times or more, because this experiment it self captures 16000 events!

[lonogugeadult]

@shenmuere I am only a freshman in college well actually first month of being a freshman so yes I will tend to oversimplify things but the fact about the repeatability came from the mouths of a bunch of scientists that heard of this and most of them are skeptical( which i know has nothing to do with facts but still) But there could have been faulty equipments you never know so this must be repeated if possible in another location by an independent research team

[sbergman27]

@shenmuere lonogugeadult is correct. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Replication of the experiment by a different group is needed. As well as plenty of peer review of this one. A 10 ns margin of error for an experiment like this is very ambitious. Not just regarding the accuracy of the clocks, but also of the GPS distance measurement. If the clocks were perfect, the distance would have to be accurate to within 3 meters. Proper scientific skepticism is the right posture.

[jednoucelovy]

so, will we have the warp engine soon? :-D

[thehockeyguy242]

@jednoucelovy the USS Enterprise is officially under construction

[MrOtsKrad]

Jigaabit....jiggawhaaa?

[jlpicard1967]

Can this outcome be a result of the heisenberg uncertainty principle?

[SubTachyon]

@jlpicard1967 No.

[camilosantav]

Neutrinos going faster than light.........NOPE, just Chuck Testa

[deviantartization]

Einstein: at first i was like (hahahha) but then i neutrino'd

[MK88N0M4D]

boner

[alyerart]

gaping 8-G

[sheeplord132324]

This is amazing..

[yannbane]

Wow.