I didn't even watch the video and I already know you are wrong. Everyone takes things out of context these days, if you have Christ you will know that John Piper is absolutely correct in every sermon
Andrew, you behave just like Riplinger, who makes her living by quote mining and misrepresenting what others say by subverting the context in which they said it.
Your behavior is reprehensible, vile, & wrong. You will have to give an account for your evil behavior to God. You'll have no excuse for this constant assault on men of God.
Your life is made up of a nest of lies. Thank our Risen Savior that most of us don't believe a word you say. You do know what happens to liars.... yes?
the consequences of you, me, humanity - not being alone is quite incredible and significant! : There is was and always will be - God - performing a delicate operation to let people live and have life while surgically removing sin from the world and ... as i look with humble eyes ... there God is, was, will be - operating my life too... YOU ARE SENDING YOURSELF TO HELL WITH YOUR FREE SINFUL WILL
Hi:) Are you insane? You must be trolling, noone could honsetly belive what it is you are saying, lol, either you have no understandeing of basic communication and the english lauguage, or now comprehension of scripture, or you are a very good troll... so im left to wonder are you 1. an athiest 2. a moron 3. a troll? I might be missing some options, and its not my intention to insult you (just incase you r serious) Have you ever done the good person test with Way of the Master? might be helpful
Hi:) are you insane? Is this a troll vid? The arguments are so laughable that im guessing it is, noone could be so truly unable to understand what Mr Piper was saying, maybe if you have zero understanding of scripture, so i'm left to wonder are you 1. an athiest 2. a moron or 3. a troll who is very good at what he does? Either way, thanx for the laughs, and Im sorry if any offence is taken.
haha this makes me laugh. how hard did you have to work to come to these conclusions because it must have taken several hours of creative thought or some serious mind altering drugs. to sum it all up argument fail.
Son you need to get you a dictionary and look up the words out of Context. You will catch up on what is going on. Till then, Go set in the hall way and hope for a revalation.
andrewbain - Doesn't slandering God's innocent respectable preachers of his Holy word make u feel satanic? - i can understand false teachers, but not godly ones - this type of behavior proves u unregenerate per 1,2,3john - n is SERIOUS SIN, i almost believed u til i saw u took piper out of context - I WAS THERE LIVE !
forgive me in advance..but HOLY CRAP? You are so out there Andy. Really...Clinton is a man,and man is crated in God's image...your videos are amazingly bad...really. Every one is a leap that you cannot land on the otherside of. Good luck in whatever your gaol is...but you need to stop these wacky wastes of time. they do you no favors. Grace and Peace.
Man, even if you were right, which I don't believe you are, you should be rebuking in gentleness. "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness." Galatians 6:1
Man, you need God to open your eyes. You clearly don't understand Romans 1. John Piper is one of the only real teachers left in the mainstream. I will pray for you.
if your intial statement is true, that we are as ignorant as oxen, than rom.1:18 must be false and the unsaved are with excuse. Also, acts 17 must therefore be false as well in that we "don't grope for God." Either your right or the bible is. Which one do you think is right. I encourage you to be carful to not speak as a factious man. We will all be judge for every single carefull word the spills out of our dirty mouths.
you really need to take a look at the bible. God did make us in his image. that is what he means by "like God". everybody as a spirit that God gave us. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men.
Go after benny hinn and kenneth copleland. I hate trash vids like this. I would never vote for Clinton or a Democrat, but the RW is not a whole lot better at picking their leaders. I have never ehard a US President say; "Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God, and HE is LORD" and I have been around since WW2
This is a faithful saying ... that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men. But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.
Mr. Bain, I hope God opens your blind eyes, and unlocks your deaf ears. When Jesus says "Let him who has ears hear.." you would be considered one without ears. You hear without hearing. I will pray for you.
Some of the inferences you are making about Piper's writings are ridiculous. Have you carefully read these books? The semantics of what piper is intending and where you think he is going is unreal. I will be praying for you!
Sir: Yes, Clinton was indeed looking for God in his lust for Monica L. Every addict does indeed have a yearning for God, in the object of his/her addiction (which is idolatry), and it is often this discovery that is the first step toward successful recovery.
wow, talk about twisting someone's words! I didn't hear him say "Bill Clinton is LIKE GOD"? He just gave a correct athropology of Bill Clinton and every other depraved human being on this earth, as Genesis teaches. Boy you have a chip on your shoulder. You should link up with Darwin Fish since he is apparently the only one who has the truth anymore. Koolaid anyone?
You are always going to be dissatisfied with God if you try to understand him from a purely intellectually point of view. It also helps if you keep the quotes you use in context... that might be a little smarter for your own argument's sake. The bible says that "All men fall short of the glory of the Lord"(Paraphrased). Every man sins... Bill Clinton is a man. He sinned. Everyone tries to replace God with something else in order to fulfill their hearts desire to know him. You use intellect...
Instead of using intellect (or C.S. Lewis' own personal knowledge) to understand the word of God, you should simply pray to God. Ask HIM to give you understanding. You might be surprised if you stop trying to figure it out on your own and simply ask Him to reveal it to you. I am in the same boat that you are in, I doubt Christianity, but that is because I have a knowledge of God without any application. God's knowledge > Man's knowledge. A world of difference and understanding between the two.
Here the subscriber criticizes cites that John blasphemed by saying people were created in the image of God, now isn't this something that is found in the bible? Genesis 1:26-27 Does GOD not say in HIS word that he created man after HIS OWN IMAGE? The subscriber then goes on to interpret that what the pastor is REALLY (add sarcasm to really) saying is that we are LIKE GOD, which of course, is nowhere to be found in the actual speech.
-An education, maybe in a seminary, a good one, might benefit you greatly.
-You should focus much more on glorifying God than bring others down
Also- put the whole quote in from Piper's book...it makes so much more sense.
To say that we don't have the image of God in us is ignorant. We have intelligence and a conscience and a spiritual side to us...surely we are NOT like brute beasts who live by instinct! We are still humans...even after the fall right?
also like many others...I say these things humbly...because God's has shown this to me...we can't figure this out on our own. It's like salvation- we are given it by God, and we are made in the image of God because we are Spiritual- like God- and we can understand it the Canons of Dort could give you some good insight man's relation to the image of God & other topics. Oh, and not every desire is for God...we are sinful...and Piper doesn't say EVERY. So yeah wouldn't you like to be like God??
oh and one more thing...maybe this is just me....and a few thousand others...but when man does not know God...there is a "gap" an "empty space" in him...in his soul. Humans spend their entire lives searching for something to satisfy that longing for joy and security and hope...and that, brother, is the desire for God, humans are sinful so they go about looking for what only God can offer. and it becomes sinful...that is why we need grace & forgiveness- so we can purify our desires for God!
Andrew, you are so my hero! Have you started a church yet? If so, I want to be a member! I want a tee shirt with your picture on it. You are so, like, spiritual. thanks for enlightening the whole world
One more thing---I think you actually are decent. But be warned: someday you are going to grow up and be utterly embarrassed by some things you have said! Seriously; kid, I used to delight myself in being a pain in the butt, too. Now I cringe at who I used to be! Turn it around. Do something decent with your life! Carry on!
Dude, wassup? Change you focus to worshipping your creator. Jesus. The Father, Holy Spirit. Any dufus can cut people down. Try building something! I have my problems with Piper, but they are miniscule compared to my belief that he does MUCH to GLORIFY our LORD JESUS CHRIST! Praise God! Hallelujah!
I would like to come up with an alternative approach in trying to figure out the reason for your ridiculous videos.
1. You are not trying to seek God as nothing I've ever seen from you has ever been about the joy and glory of God but rather the false accusation of men trying to preach Jesus.
2. You discovered that no one on earth has ever interpreted the Bible like you have so this is the only way in which you can start your cult.
One other thing, do you have any qualifications/education?
In my humble opinion: I think your reading too much into Piper's statements, and spend too much time presupposing about his Sermons to formulate opinions that probably aren't supported by any seminary. Just an opinion, as i believe you opened the door for plenty of of those with a very large welcome mat at your door step.
you have no idea what you're talking about and if you're a Christian or even if you're not should take a class on Biblical hermeneutics.. or maybe just read the Bible before you come up with this crap
By the way... and God forgive me for saying this... but that smug little grin you get when you think you have something insightful to say really needs to be slapped right off your face.
Piper = Passion for the glory of God.
AndrewBain = Pride with more than a dash of ignorance.
- sure you proclaim God to be righteous and give Him glory - even demons knowing who God is do that... its simple - either you are a highly self-rigtheous educated FOOL or you are a hidden satanist who is trying to confuse the crowd - the fact is - most of your theology can be shredded apart - i wish i were at your college...
i like what paul washer said in one of his videos - it can apply to you - your theology is 300 miles wide and half inch deep - in your case it is millionth of an inch deep - i am beginning to realise if whether you are a christian or not - maybe you are a wolf in sheep's clothing who wanting to educate ppl of God wants to lead the sheep astray by strange jamblings and blah blah and vain out-of-context language by other men of God
You claim that if Clinton is like God then God must be like Clinton. God does share some similarities with Clinton but He is NOT completely like Clinton just like Clinton is not supernatural...Like God.
Think about it. If sometimes the Bible says that man was created in the image of God, and other times it says man was created in righteousness and true holiness - then it's clear that...
Image of God = righteousness + holiness.
And this is why Paul says that Christ is THE image of God (2 Cor 4:4). Because only Christ is perfectly righteous and holy - that is, "the express image" of the Father.
Now, unless we're to say that Bill Clinton is like Jesus Christ... surely, Clinton is NOT in the image of God. To say he is, is to imply that he is perfectly righteous and truly holy - something only Christ is.
And do I need to quote Scripture which declares unbelievers to be "unrighteous" and "unholy"? In other words, Scripture that declares them NOT to be in the image of God?
"22You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness."
Nowhere does Paul say man was created in righteousness... He says that we are TAUGHT to WORK to be like God, who is righteous and truly holy.
Andrew, or whoever you are, could you explain what this verse means?: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
If you have an issue with a brother then confront him. Doing this online is very unbiblical and slanderous and not edifying to John Piper or the Church...
Genesis 1:27 says "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." So John Piper was 100% correct in saying that Bill Clinton was created in the image of God... because ALL OF MAN was. That means YOU were, and I was and every other person you have met, will, or never meet.
Most theologists interpret this to mean that mankinds PHYSICAL features resemble His own. (see also 5:3 where it says Seth was made in his father Adam's image)
You also fail to mention the significance of what's the big deal about people being made like God...
"Next up" I am sure that human lust for another is not linked to ones desire for God in that someone has sexual lust for God or in that Bill Clinton was actually lusting after God. I think that is ridiculous, and it sounds to me like you are just coming up with things to say to be amusing or sound intelligent.
John Piper was referring to humanity's longing for something more. Bill Clinton lusted for someone other than his wife because his wife was not enough. Monica was not even enough. Bill Clinton was longing for something more in general. Something to give him ultimate satisfaction. John Piper was referring to the thought that maybe God put desire within our hearts so that our desire for more may consequently lead us to Him, the ultimate giver of life.
As far as Christians "playing with the minds" of non-believers goes, I think your case is much of a stretch. Nowhere in the Bible (and nowhere in Piper's sermon) are Christians encouraged to "play with the minds" of non-believers. If God created a longing inside human beings to have a purpose for their lives (which you can't tell me nobody has), then Christians are encouraged to suggest to non-believers that having a personal relationship with God might just be the answer.
As far as your next point, a believer's zeal and longing for God does not alone prove to non-believers that God exists. If you take a look at Matthew 5, Jesus says, "You are the light of the world... Let your light shine before men that they shall see your good deeds..." It doesn't say, "Show that you have God so people believe." It says so that people will see your good works and (if you read on) be inspired. See what life is like on the other side.
Also, even if this alone could make non-believers believe, we would still need the Bible for instruction. The Bible's purpose isn't to make people believe. It is, as commonly put "Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth."
Also, what proof do you have that Adam did not know how to multiply? Or, even more ridiculous, how to turn around? God told Adam to "be fruitful and multiply" as a parent might tell a kid, "Go outside and play." It isn't that the child doesn't know how to play. It's that the parent wants the child to play. It's command.
Interesting. You admit that God NEEDED TO COMMAND Adam to be fruitful and multiply. Adam couldn't have known the rightness/wrongness of multiplying by nature, could he? That's why God had to command him to multiply. After all, how was Adam meant to know the ethics of multiplying without God's revelation on the matter? Is Adam allowed to have more than one child? Was he allowed to fill the whole earth, or just the garden? Etc.
What seems obvious to us -- because we've been taught it from childhood -- is not that obvious when you think about it. It's only obvious because we've had revelation given to us.
It's just like the parent and the child. How's the child meant to know whether or not he's allowed outside to play that day? It may not be as self-evident as you think.
Can the child play in the cold? Will the parent let the child play in the rain? In the snow? With the next door neighbor? With the dog? In his new clothes? Til dark? After just eating? Before doing homework? etc etc.
One parent may let their child play in the cold with the dog but not before homework is done. Another parent might let their child play before homework but not with the dog in the cold. The fact of the matter is -- you can't innately know what's right and wrong.
And you can't know what's right by just speculating about it. It all depends on the requirements of the particular parent. And this is obviously why kids from easy-going homes can be "shocked" by the requirements of their friend's parents when they go visit. "Wow, your dad makes you do so many chores, and doesn't let you stay up late", one kid says to another. Clearly, you can ONLY know what someone wants -- whether a parent or God -- BY THEM TELLING YOU.
See the entire scripture -- God commands believers to teach their children the Law (because the children don't know it by nature). Secondly, unbelievers are defined as those "now knowing good from evil", i.e. lacking understanding right/wrong. Indeed, the fool says in his heart "there is no God" -- unbelievers are brute beasts (Jude 1:10), and animals know more of their masters than unregenerate Israel understood about God (Isa 1:3).
Clearly, without faith we are "in the land of darkness", "without knowledge", "dead", "senseless", with "seared consciences", "ignorant". Only by faith can we know anything about God -- so the Bible HAS AN ABSOLUTE MONOPOLY ON THE TRUTH OF GOD WITH NO COMPETITION FROM ANY OTHER SOURCE OF KNOWLEDGE - BE THAT REASON/NATURE.
I think you are confused with what faith is. Take a look at Hebrews 11:1. It gives a pretty clear description.
"Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."
Faith is what helps us believe. And we can have faith in things other than God as well. I can have faith in a friend that she will keep a secret or have faith that the postal service will deliver my mail.
Firstly, "knowing good from evil" is synonymous to understanding right and wrong.
Your first scripture used was in a poem by David, not a rule by God. That was a MAN's opinion.
Your 2nd scripture, if used in context (see verses 3&4), you'll see that Paul refers to men who claimed to be religious leaders who were actually twisting the gospel for their own sinful benefit NOT all sinners in general.
Well God gave Adam the anatomy to multiply, therefore there should have been no doubt that he was allowed to multiply. In fact, he should have known that he was INTENDED to do so.
If we are going to stick with the playing child metaphor, let me relate it a mother giving her child a bicycle. Why would the mother give her child a bicycle if he weren't supposed to go outside and use it?
Secondly,if Adam was truly completely clueless about how he worked, don't you think God would have also had to explain to him how to eat? How to go to the bathroom? How to sleep? God was merely telling Adam it would please Him to make more. I highly doubt Adam was looking at himself saying, "Hm I wonder what THIS does!"
Also interesting... Why in his right mind would Adam think multiplying would be wrong if God had purposefully made him the anatomy to do so? It doesn't make sense.
God also tells countless number of people to do a countless number of things throughout the Bible. Simple things such as "go." He isn't telling them HOW. He is commanding them to.
As for the rest of your monologue, I don't understand what you are trying to say at all.
Well Andrew, I know you personally, and I know all you do is build your infamous reputation by tearing down men of God. Your theology (if it can be referred to as "theology") is based on flawed human logic alone, not the Scriptures. Repent from your sin before it is too late and convert to the living God.
Remember what Peter said about certain readers of Paul's letter? He said they twist his words just as they twist all the other Scriptures. There is something to be said to those who twist what others say to be different than what was intended. I don't know if you are a brother or not, but please do see that you are not making John Piper look like a fool. You are the fool for illustrating to the world that you do not know how to read or listen. Grow Up!
IT IS WRITTEN in Romans that man has no excuse: they can know that there is a God by observing the nature! Paul speaks here about recognizing God as God. He does not speak of saving faith. Watch your kontexts and conclusions. You can study logical fallacies to make your statements more sharp!
man alive! have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of andrew? is there anyone you support or is the venom of your pen reserved exclusively for pastors whose success you clearly envy? and for the record, we ARE made in the image of God, even if that image is smeared by sin. it is a "both/and" scenario, not "either/or"
Dude, you need to check your theology. Have you taken systematic theology? Have you actually sat under someone to learn? Man has not totally lost the image of God from the fall. Read the Noahic Covenant.
This guy posting videos has some serious issues. He loves to take men out of context and give them a hard time. Dont bother looking at his videos or even arguing with him, he is just causing division which does not help anyone.
None of the modern greats are spared. Even poor ole CS Lewis is in for a caning!
And, yes, I think I agree with the assessment of maturity: if you haven't doubted you're one of the elect, if you haven't at some time doubted God knows you're alive, even as the Holy Spirit dwells within you, then praise God... but please don't slag off those of us that suffer for a time such trials and tribulations of our enemy's whispering campaign.
We may reflect elements of God's character when we love, when we are kind and just; but God cannot reflect elements of our sinful nature. We are made in the image of God, distorted yet in the process of sanctification.
No, God is truth. Jesus said 'I am the way the truth and the life. I also disagree with your analogy 'if X is like Y, then Y is like X'. This is not an accurate portrayal of man being in God's likeness. You have interpreted 'likeness' to mean 'the same as'. This is wrong, likeness is a reflection of something else, not a clone
, "All unbelievers have truth deep down" and come to the conclusion that Piper must mean "God is like unbelievers". If I were to use the same methods of assumption I would assume when you say that if an unbeliever has 'truth deep down' then God must 'be like unbelievers' ', you are stating that God is like an unbeliever who has 'truth deep down'. This is blasphemous. I'm sure you'll agree God is not like an unbeliever who has truth deep down.
"'All unbelievers have truth deep down' Therefor Piper must say that God is like unbelievers"
In all love to a fellow brother in Christ, I urge you to remove this video from youtube. In your effort to communicate the truth of God's word you are in fact re-interpreting the words of a well trusted man of God, thus defaming him and his ministry. An example of this is the quote I listed above in which you have taken an excerpt from one of Pipers sermons,
Romans1 says that unbelievers SUPRESS the truth of God in unrighteousness. What do you have to do in order to suppress something? YOU HAVE TO ALREADY HAVE IT. Therefore if unbelievers are suppressing the truth in unrighteousness as Romans 1 says than they must already have the truth in them. Its impossible to suppress something you don't have or even vaguely have. People have God's truth in them. Thats Piper's reasoning for saying we must stir up the truth already implemented in peoples hearts.
If unbelievers have truth about God deep down in them, then why don't they believe the Gospel? Are you implying that someone can know God without knowing Christ? Isn't that what Muslims, Mormons, Hindus, JWs, Pagans etc believe? Aren't you making Christ a mere add-on or supplement to the knowledge of God?
"no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and the one to whom the Son purposes to reveal Him ." (Mt 11:27)
Rom. 1:18-20 The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
People know the truth because the law of God has been written on their hearts. Please don't knock John Piper, for he greatly loves people. If you are a Christian, he is your brother and you should be doing all you can to support his ministry because he is in the business of saving souls.
Once again I laugh at the hyper-calvinist mumbo jumbo that causes you to attack even those that share in your basic theology. I guess your better and smarter than everyone!!! Keep it up, your message to the world is loud and clear!
We can love because we were created in God's image. Therefore we can understand on a small scale what it means when God says he loves us. We can also get angry as God does. Because we are created in his image. Bill Clinton can only know God if God is knowable. He is knowable by our ability to understand on a small scale who he is. (knowing does not equal salvation so don't even try that argument.) A wise man listens to sound advice. Read a book, seek advice of Godly men, and stop your stupidity.
Where does the Bible say unbelievers are capable of love?
This is all I can find...
"For we also once were senseless, disobedient, being led astray, slaving for various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, HATEFUL, HATING ONE ANOTHER." (Titus 3:3)
Sorry, not sure where the image of God is in any of those things - seems that unbelievers are only capable of hate. Well, I suppose they do love falsehood =)
yeah, because we know that only Christians are good people...oh wait, you mean someone can be nice and caring and still not be a christians?! You mean only christian fathers can love their kids? Hmmmmmm.....your wrong.
That verse is reffering to false teachers and not a refference to the fruits of the spirit. ANything else you would like to misquote or are you done? Your reasoning and assuptions are false and your elders (if you have any) should rebuke you. Anything else?
oh, and just so you know that wasn't my idea. It is based on a good understanding of systematic theology by Grudem. It is also backed up by Shedd, R.C. Sproul, and many other theologians on the subject of the knowability of God. So, unless you are the greatest theological mind of the 20th century....
If we were not still created in God's image then man would never be ever to have a relationship with God. God would be so opposite of our make up that we would have no grounds for understanding or comparrison.
Your unintelligence is baffling. Do you run your head into the wall everyday before you read your bible? "Okay now that I'm clearly stupified, let's go to the Scriptures and completely miss the point. My name is Andrew C. Bain and I have no idea what I'm talking about, ever." What an ignaramous.
just imagine what you could do if you spent near as much time promoting the gospel , as you do tearing it down !!! The thing that's sad and breaks my heart is that you make a feable attempt to tear down these men who have poured out their lives in defense of the gospel. But that's OK... and they would say the same... I will be praying for you Andrew, that he will replace your heart of stone with a heart of flesh.
We are not made 'like God'..being made in His image means we are made up of three parts as God is. Body, spirit and soul(mind). That is pretty much where it ends in being like God though, especially if you are not saved. 1Thessalonians 5:23. No one seeks God on their own: 10 As the Scriptures say, "No one is righteous— not even one. 11 No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God.
Interesting. Piper is a Calvinist and AndrewcBain sees major problems with the Calvinist view as do I. I nearly lost my faith, walked away from God when I first learned of this view. To image God picking certain people to go to hell, either on purpose or through omission was THAT repulsive to me. I cannot worship a God like that. I think this is one of the worse teachings there are out there. I hung in there and studied those passages for myself to see what they really said.
All humans were created in the likeness of God, that is, in God's image. Every worldly desire is a desire to fill up a hole that is missing within themselves, and what is missing is God. So all the vain things we are seeking after is in ignorance. It is truly a search for God, if only they could understand that He is what they need. John Piper is completely right here.
Mate you take things out of context. It seems like your out to rebuke church leaders. I do not totally disagree with all your theology, but you are stiring up trouble not helping build up Christians. I believe that when people make these type of video's (Billy Graham disses, A.W. Tozer disses, Piper disses etc) they do not present enough contextualisation to help any argument you can have against a preacher.
I recall the story of a young man who stood up in the middle of a tavern, mocking the great awakening preacher George Whitefield. He was quoting Whitefield, mimicking his mannerisms & squinting as the man did. Suddenly in the middle of the sermon, he man fell under the conviction of sin and repented on the spot. Friends, as much as it pains us to see such error- recognize that God is sovereign and in His good time, He can suddenly bring conviction to Andrew. Pray for him.
This is why I don't get this guy. And I have never seen him respond to any of his comments. Does he do it just for the sake of argument? I also noticed that all of his favorites are his own stuff. You are way into yourself. And your videos are useless
What platform do you stand on? What team do you represent? How many countless hours have you spent in study giving your life away to people? There are obvious theology differences between you two. How about doing your on exegesis and forming a ministry to save souls. I guarantee that then you would have little time to fight men that are in the battle with you.
If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
i know there is indeed a desire for God in each of us, can justify with own experience and other's who have a similar experience. we always have this experience, this longing to fill that desire with things that aren't God such as sexual immorality, drugs, alcohol and building up collections of material possessions and influence perhaps, even friends. when we don't trust in God to fulfill this ultimate desire and trust other things we can be in a state of idolatry yet never truly fulfilled
Why do you waste your time criticizing sound doctrine while there's a sea of preachers out there who preach crap? Read Ecclesiastes 3:11; Romans 1:18-23
I'm afraid you're getting more confused in your own arguments. None of the quotes you used really go against the Bible. They are true as much as a couple of your statements about man's nature.
Romans 1:18-23 testifies to what Andrew said, it says nowhere that by God revealing it to them that they actually received it. Also, does Ecclesiastes mean that everyone knows God, because I thought that souls were eternal whether or not they were in Heaven or Hell. Also, does Scripture teach us to test everything, John Piper is not God.
John piper is not God, but he's a God-centered man. All John Piper is saying is we're made in the likeness of our Creator. I don't even get what the big deal is. Why don't we spend our time arguing with people who actually oppose the Gospel?
I thought Paul said to preach the Word of God, not just the Gospel. I thought we were supposed to test everything. Again, John Piper is not God he is fallible.
If saying we were made in His image okay, that's Biblical, why because it was before the fall (Genesis). Even that we were made in His physical image, that seems to continue on into the NT. But now because the fall, man is dead and does and God ses that no one seeks Him (Romans). It seems like John is sounding too much like someone I think you might recognize (Genesis 3:5).
Well, of what I could establish context in this video, I believe it was misunderstood. I see only a contention that the image of God is erased, and don't see the verses used to prove this compelling. If Dr. Piper is saying that unsaved man's knowledge that He hates God can be nurtured to a spiritual self-awakening, then he's dead wrong. But he didn't once say that, in the passages in which I could establish context. Sorry for the long response. May God bless you.
In the sermon of 11/25 clip, I don't see Dr. Piper engaging in what Dr. Paisley would call Psycho-heresy. He's asking the Lord that the prayers of saints be effective in His bringing the rebellious heart to an "axiomatic" (convicting) knowledge of sin. The benediction speaks of the Lord using these prayers to awaken unbelievers to the rebellion they already know they commit. Again, if you believe that the Imago Dei exists (corrupted), this is perfectly reasonable.
The "Supremacy of God in Preaching" excerpt is difficult to address, as I don't have the book. As presented, it looks like a poor choice of words, or an outright affirmation of your thesis. Knowing that the heart of unregeneration is against, not for, God, I can't see that quote making any sense. Again, I've no context in which to place it, so I reserve judgement.
Your lead-in to sermon 8/27 speaks of the unbeliever's having the "mind of God", per Piper. The text presented says nothing of that, nor mentions the "how" in their coming to God. Dr. Piper whole-heartedly attributes this to God's sovereign work by the Holy Ghost, not the unbeliever's unregenerate will.
2nd cont. - Jude 1:10 "they speak evil of those things which they know not". In Jude 1:11, they are related to Cain and Balaam, to whom God spoke, with Whom they conversed, but from Whom they rebelled. The scripture you've used to disprove a knowledge of God is speaking of those who did know Him. Now true knowledge, of His goodness, is different, but to know His commands? All cited texts refer to those who knew them.
Secondly, you assert that man knows nothing of God. Citing Isa 1:3, you imply man knows God less than beasts their master. But look at how. In Isa 1:4-5, they have "gone backward", and "revolt". This implies knowledge without obedience, turning from what/Whom they knew. Jer 8:8-9, they say "the law of the Lord is with us", and they've "rejected the word of the Lord".
The first assertion, that Dr. Piper equates God to Bill Clinton, isn't a good rendering of his words. He said that Bill Clinton was created in God's image. If one believes that, as sons of Adam, we too are image-bearers, then that would include the former President. No equation is intended; only that we bear the (now corrupted) image of God. Next, I'll deal with your 3 texts, with which you attempt to refute this.
Andrew, thanks for citing the sources in this submission, so they may be referenced. It seems the crux of your argument is that the Imago Dei has been eradicated with the fall, and that man cannot know God. I'll respond over the next few comments, as I want to be thorough; I'm not trying to filibuster.
This Guy just misquotes and distorts what people say. He is the master of hearing what he wants. He is a deceiver and a liar. I tried to talk to him and he cannot even follow an argument. He twists and contorts the Word of God. Through eisegesis he shows his points. Hes a 1 verse cherry picker...
Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
To those who think that God is like man and vise versa.
Psa 50:21 These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
Man is so utterly blind and without hope that unless God moves upon a man he remains dead in sin.
andrew you wage war against the truth. you mock the Christ you claim to love. truth and those who teach it are trampled underfoot by those who claim to know it. Look at the cross!
Acts 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you... 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
But no man can tame the tongue it is an unruly evil full of deadly poison with it we bless God our Father and with it we curse men .."Who have been made in the Image of God" James 3:9 I agree w/ the comment your taking piper out of context but you need to run a search on this idea and read what the Bible teaches Pre regeneration and post regeneration..awesome study. and Awesome Christ who made it possible!
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
I didn't even watch the video and I already know you are wrong. Everyone takes things out of context these days, if you have Christ you will know that John Piper is absolutely correct in every sermon
dillonpslater 1 year ago
You look like Simon Cowell's Evil Twin.
BrotherLeon2010 1 year ago
What a total muppet...! Nuff said!
ArdensSedVirens 1 year ago
Andrew, you behave just like Riplinger, who makes her living by quote mining and misrepresenting what others say by subverting the context in which they said it.
Your behavior is reprehensible, vile, & wrong. You will have to give an account for your evil behavior to God. You'll have no excuse for this constant assault on men of God.
Your life is made up of a nest of lies. Thank our Risen Savior that most of us don't believe a word you say. You do know what happens to liars.... yes?
SkiesVibrant 1 year ago
the consequences of you, me, humanity - not being alone is quite incredible and significant! : There is was and always will be - God - performing a delicate operation to let people live and have life while surgically removing sin from the world and ... as i look with humble eyes ... there God is, was, will be - operating my life too... YOU ARE SENDING YOURSELF TO HELL WITH YOUR FREE SINFUL WILL
Valpurgis9 1 year ago
Hi:) Are you insane? You must be trolling, noone could honsetly belive what it is you are saying, lol, either you have no understandeing of basic communication and the english lauguage, or now comprehension of scripture, or you are a very good troll... so im left to wonder are you 1. an athiest 2. a moron 3. a troll? I might be missing some options, and its not my intention to insult you (just incase you r serious) Have you ever done the good person test with Way of the Master? might be helpful
itsnolongeri 1 year ago
Hi:) are you insane? Is this a troll vid? The arguments are so laughable that im guessing it is, noone could be so truly unable to understand what Mr Piper was saying, maybe if you have zero understanding of scripture, so i'm left to wonder are you 1. an athiest 2. a moron or 3. a troll who is very good at what he does? Either way, thanx for the laughs, and Im sorry if any offence is taken.
itsnolongeri 1 year ago
haha this makes me laugh. how hard did you have to work to come to these conclusions because it must have taken several hours of creative thought or some serious mind altering drugs. to sum it all up argument fail.
TheTurkey01 1 year ago 2
What exactly is your doctrine?
tmgrevolution 1 year ago
fail.
centeredonchrist 1 year ago
Son you need to get you a dictionary and look up the words out of Context. You will catch up on what is going on. Till then, Go set in the hall way and hope for a revalation.
turtle4aire 2 years ago
You are an idiot! Didn't Jesus say were were "like God" By the way Like does not mean equal.
ymeagle 2 years ago
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hurleysurfrr 2 years ago
This is so weak and embarrasing
jdw1980 2 years ago
andrewbain - Doesn't slandering God's innocent respectable preachers of his Holy word make u feel satanic? - i can understand false teachers, but not godly ones - this type of behavior proves u unregenerate per 1,2,3john - n is SERIOUS SIN, i almost believed u til i saw u took piper out of context - I WAS THERE LIVE !
ReformedTheology5 2 years ago
Why are you smirking in all the videos you've chosen to appear in?
CarrotBench 2 years ago
forgive me in advance..but HOLY CRAP? You are so out there Andy. Really...Clinton is a man,and man is crated in God's image...your videos are amazingly bad...really. Every one is a leap that you cannot land on the otherside of. Good luck in whatever your gaol is...but you need to stop these wacky wastes of time. they do you no favors. Grace and Peace.
IAMWHODEY 2 years ago 6
Man, even if you were right, which I don't believe you are, you should be rebuking in gentleness. "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness." Galatians 6:1
jasonacousticwaller 2 years ago
He said that he has potential.. like all of us.
As always, your videos have no basis. Stop the mud-slinging and pray for your own heart.
bsmith016 2 years ago
Man, you need God to open your eyes. You clearly don't understand Romans 1. John Piper is one of the only real teachers left in the mainstream. I will pray for you.
thaT1000 2 years ago
"let Us make man in Our image"...
Bogzy1989 3 years ago
dude, every one of your videos completely pulls everything out of context so you can twist it around and make it into something its not.
bball102407 3 years ago 3
Yo Andrew, may I assume that you are a Calvinist and believe in the Doctrine of Election?
TheStyleHammer 3 years ago
@TheStyleHammer dude John Piper believes in the doctrines of grace e.g calvanism... just curious what you are meaning by your comment:)
itsnolongeri 1 year ago
if your intial statement is true, that we are as ignorant as oxen, than rom.1:18 must be false and the unsaved are with excuse. Also, acts 17 must therefore be false as well in that we "don't grope for God." Either your right or the bible is. Which one do you think is right. I encourage you to be carful to not speak as a factious man. We will all be judge for every single carefull word the spills out of our dirty mouths.
mille316948 3 years ago
you really need to take a look at the bible. God did make us in his image. that is what he means by "like God". everybody as a spirit that God gave us. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men.
thebeastandjc22 3 years ago 2
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in yourLaw, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS'
JosefRaddy 3 years ago
Go after benny hinn and kenneth copleland. I hate trash vids like this. I would never vote for Clinton or a Democrat, but the RW is not a whole lot better at picking their leaders. I have never ehard a US President say; "Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God, and HE is LORD" and I have been around since WW2
sparwood8 3 years ago
The Scripture this video brings to mind:
John 3:18-21 (evil men can love)
and Titus 3:8-11
This is a faithful saying ... that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men. But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.
FVMactuary 3 years ago
Mr. Bain, I hope God opens your blind eyes, and unlocks your deaf ears. When Jesus says "Let him who has ears hear.." you would be considered one without ears. You hear without hearing. I will pray for you.
jjwebb1999 3 years ago 2
Some of the inferences you are making about Piper's writings are ridiculous. Have you carefully read these books? The semantics of what piper is intending and where you think he is going is unreal. I will be praying for you!
downsilverlake 3 years ago
you are the definition of folk theology and contextual distortion
timjarrett 3 years ago
I feel sorry for your logic
justinpeterson84 3 years ago 2
I've been watching a few of your videos. I understand now, you're an idiot.
wiredforstereo 3 years ago 2
Sir: Yes, Clinton was indeed looking for God in his lust for Monica L. Every addict does indeed have a yearning for God, in the object of his/her addiction (which is idolatry), and it is often this discovery that is the first step toward successful recovery.
thecounselor1 3 years ago
wow, talk about twisting someone's words! I didn't hear him say "Bill Clinton is LIKE GOD"? He just gave a correct athropology of Bill Clinton and every other depraved human being on this earth, as Genesis teaches. Boy you have a chip on your shoulder. You should link up with Darwin Fish since he is apparently the only one who has the truth anymore. Koolaid anyone?
terriergal 3 years ago
haha now I look like a jerk because you put my comments back!
break05 3 years ago
You just proved to me how much of a coward you are by deleting my comments.
break05 3 years ago
You are always going to be dissatisfied with God if you try to understand him from a purely intellectually point of view. It also helps if you keep the quotes you use in context... that might be a little smarter for your own argument's sake. The bible says that "All men fall short of the glory of the Lord"(Paraphrased). Every man sins... Bill Clinton is a man. He sinned. Everyone tries to replace God with something else in order to fulfill their hearts desire to know him. You use intellect...
break05 3 years ago
Instead of using intellect (or C.S. Lewis' own personal knowledge) to understand the word of God, you should simply pray to God. Ask HIM to give you understanding. You might be surprised if you stop trying to figure it out on your own and simply ask Him to reveal it to you. I am in the same boat that you are in, I doubt Christianity, but that is because I have a knowledge of God without any application. God's knowledge > Man's knowledge. A world of difference and understanding between the two.
break05 3 years ago
you are wrong, there is nothing more to say.
themange59 3 years ago
Here the subscriber criticizes cites that John blasphemed by saying people were created in the image of God, now isn't this something that is found in the bible? Genesis 1:26-27 Does GOD not say in HIS word that he created man after HIS OWN IMAGE? The subscriber then goes on to interpret that what the pastor is REALLY (add sarcasm to really) saying is that we are LIKE GOD, which of course, is nowhere to be found in the actual speech.
In the end-
John Piper: 1 subscriber: 0
diction56 3 years ago
Hmm...I agree with some of the others:
-An education, maybe in a seminary, a good one, might benefit you greatly.
-You should focus much more on glorifying God than bring others down
Also- put the whole quote in from Piper's book...it makes so much more sense.
To say that we don't have the image of God in us is ignorant. We have intelligence and a conscience and a spiritual side to us...surely we are NOT like brute beasts who live by instinct! We are still humans...even after the fall right?
toofast4u041 3 years ago 2
also like many others...I say these things humbly...because God's has shown this to me...we can't figure this out on our own. It's like salvation- we are given it by God, and we are made in the image of God because we are Spiritual- like God- and we can understand it the Canons of Dort could give you some good insight man's relation to the image of God & other topics. Oh, and not every desire is for God...we are sinful...and Piper doesn't say EVERY. So yeah wouldn't you like to be like God??
toofast4u041 3 years ago
oh and one more thing...maybe this is just me....and a few thousand others...but when man does not know God...there is a "gap" an "empty space" in him...in his soul. Humans spend their entire lives searching for something to satisfy that longing for joy and security and hope...and that, brother, is the desire for God, humans are sinful so they go about looking for what only God can offer. and it becomes sinful...that is why we need grace & forgiveness- so we can purify our desires for God!
toofast4u041 3 years ago
Romans 1.
carmichaelat 3 years ago
Andrew, you are so my hero! Have you started a church yet? If so, I want to be a member! I want a tee shirt with your picture on it. You are so, like, spiritual. thanks for enlightening the whole world
pastormike7 3 years ago
This is ridiculous. I've seen your videos, and I have one question. How have you discovered all the answers at 22? Really I'm curious.
aricandisgood 4 years ago
One more thing---I think you actually are decent. But be warned: someday you are going to grow up and be utterly embarrassed by some things you have said! Seriously; kid, I used to delight myself in being a pain in the butt, too. Now I cringe at who I used to be! Turn it around. Do something decent with your life! Carry on!
hoggdawn 4 years ago
Dude, wassup? Change you focus to worshipping your creator. Jesus. The Father, Holy Spirit. Any dufus can cut people down. Try building something! I have my problems with Piper, but they are miniscule compared to my belief that he does MUCH to GLORIFY our LORD JESUS CHRIST! Praise God! Hallelujah!
hoggdawn 4 years ago
I would like to come up with an alternative approach in trying to figure out the reason for your ridiculous videos.
1. You are not trying to seek God as nothing I've ever seen from you has ever been about the joy and glory of God but rather the false accusation of men trying to preach Jesus.
2. You discovered that no one on earth has ever interpreted the Bible like you have so this is the only way in which you can start your cult.
One other thing, do you have any qualifications/education?
Archacius 4 years ago
In my humble opinion: I think your reading too much into Piper's statements, and spend too much time presupposing about his Sermons to formulate opinions that probably aren't supported by any seminary. Just an opinion, as i believe you opened the door for plenty of of those with a very large welcome mat at your door step.
bkp652 4 years ago
You have it backwards. Bill Clinton is like Satan, not God.
Stan1208 4 years ago
you have no idea what you're talking about and if you're a Christian or even if you're not should take a class on Biblical hermeneutics.. or maybe just read the Bible before you come up with this crap
lcking1405 4 years ago
your an idiot,
RummyHoare 4 years ago
By the way... and God forgive me for saying this... but that smug little grin you get when you think you have something insightful to say really needs to be slapped right off your face.
Piper = Passion for the glory of God.
AndrewBain = Pride with more than a dash of ignorance.
MellaniaEQ 4 years ago 2
James 3:9, "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness."
James doesn't say "Christians" are in God's likeness. He says "men."
You are wrong. Piper is right. Please stop embarrassing yourself by criticizing such men of God who obviously know Scripture better than you.
MellaniaEQ 4 years ago 2
Another pathetic video from AndrewcBain. What a waste of space on Youtube.
vortextkmit 4 years ago 3
- sure you proclaim God to be righteous and give Him glory - even demons knowing who God is do that... its simple - either you are a highly self-rigtheous educated FOOL or you are a hidden satanist who is trying to confuse the crowd - the fact is - most of your theology can be shredded apart - i wish i were at your college...
smartcardia 4 years ago 2
i like what paul washer said in one of his videos - it can apply to you - your theology is 300 miles wide and half inch deep - in your case it is millionth of an inch deep - i am beginning to realise if whether you are a christian or not - maybe you are a wolf in sheep's clothing who wanting to educate ppl of God wants to lead the sheep astray by strange jamblings and blah blah and vain out-of-context language by other men of God
smartcardia 4 years ago 2
You claim that if Clinton is like God then God must be like Clinton. God does share some similarities with Clinton but He is NOT completely like Clinton just like Clinton is not supernatural...Like God.
micahtheolson 4 years ago
This is dumb. No other comment.
micahtheolson 4 years ago
Do you even believe in God???
rayshores 4 years ago
Where does the Bible say that "natural man lost the image of God"?
The first few verses in the video do not say anything about losing the image of God.
Please respond.
rayshores 4 years ago
G'day Ray!
Thanks for the message.
First things first, let's define what "the image of God" is.
Paul says, "man ... was created in righteousness and true holiness." (Eph 4:24).
Elsewhere, Scripture says man was created "in the image" or likeness "of God".
So, Paul in Ephesians 4 is equating the image of God with righteousness and true holiness.
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
Think about it. If sometimes the Bible says that man was created in the image of God, and other times it says man was created in righteousness and true holiness - then it's clear that...
Image of God = righteousness + holiness.
And this is why Paul says that Christ is THE image of God (2 Cor 4:4). Because only Christ is perfectly righteous and holy - that is, "the express image" of the Father.
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
Now, unless we're to say that Bill Clinton is like Jesus Christ... surely, Clinton is NOT in the image of God. To say he is, is to imply that he is perfectly righteous and truly holy - something only Christ is.
And do I need to quote Scripture which declares unbelievers to be "unrighteous" and "unholy"? In other words, Scripture that declares them NOT to be in the image of God?
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
the verse says the "NEW man," which means the man that we are when we are saved-not when we are created.
I think that when the Bible says the new man, it means the new man.
rayshores 4 years ago
Let us expand the Ephesians verse:
"22You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness."
Nowhere does Paul say man was created in righteousness... He says that we are TAUGHT to WORK to be like God, who is righteous and truly holy.
Once again. Read before you quote!!
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
By the way that was Romans 1: 18,19
Tankotoka 4 years ago
Andrew, or whoever you are, could you explain what this verse means?: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
Tankotoka 4 years ago
If you have an issue with a brother then confront him. Doing this online is very unbiblical and slanderous and not edifying to John Piper or the Church...
Godhiker 4 years ago
Right on, man.
rayshores 4 years ago
btw I'm a "she" ;-)
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
I believe you are very confused on this topic.
Genesis 1:27 says "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." So John Piper was 100% correct in saying that Bill Clinton was created in the image of God... because ALL OF MAN was. That means YOU were, and I was and every other person you have met, will, or never meet.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
Most theologists interpret this to mean that mankinds PHYSICAL features resemble His own. (see also 5:3 where it says Seth was made in his father Adam's image)
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
You also fail to mention the significance of what's the big deal about people being made like God...
"Next up" I am sure that human lust for another is not linked to ones desire for God in that someone has sexual lust for God or in that Bill Clinton was actually lusting after God. I think that is ridiculous, and it sounds to me like you are just coming up with things to say to be amusing or sound intelligent.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
John Piper was referring to humanity's longing for something more. Bill Clinton lusted for someone other than his wife because his wife was not enough. Monica was not even enough. Bill Clinton was longing for something more in general. Something to give him ultimate satisfaction. John Piper was referring to the thought that maybe God put desire within our hearts so that our desire for more may consequently lead us to Him, the ultimate giver of life.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
As far as Christians "playing with the minds" of non-believers goes, I think your case is much of a stretch. Nowhere in the Bible (and nowhere in Piper's sermon) are Christians encouraged to "play with the minds" of non-believers. If God created a longing inside human beings to have a purpose for their lives (which you can't tell me nobody has), then Christians are encouraged to suggest to non-believers that having a personal relationship with God might just be the answer.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
As far as your next point, a believer's zeal and longing for God does not alone prove to non-believers that God exists. If you take a look at Matthew 5, Jesus says, "You are the light of the world... Let your light shine before men that they shall see your good deeds..." It doesn't say, "Show that you have God so people believe." It says so that people will see your good works and (if you read on) be inspired. See what life is like on the other side.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
Also, even if this alone could make non-believers believe, we would still need the Bible for instruction. The Bible's purpose isn't to make people believe. It is, as commonly put "Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth."
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
Also, what proof do you have that Adam did not know how to multiply? Or, even more ridiculous, how to turn around? God told Adam to "be fruitful and multiply" as a parent might tell a kid, "Go outside and play." It isn't that the child doesn't know how to play. It's that the parent wants the child to play. It's command.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
Interesting. You admit that God NEEDED TO COMMAND Adam to be fruitful and multiply. Adam couldn't have known the rightness/wrongness of multiplying by nature, could he? That's why God had to command him to multiply. After all, how was Adam meant to know the ethics of multiplying without God's revelation on the matter? Is Adam allowed to have more than one child? Was he allowed to fill the whole earth, or just the garden? Etc.
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
What seems obvious to us -- because we've been taught it from childhood -- is not that obvious when you think about it. It's only obvious because we've had revelation given to us.
It's just like the parent and the child. How's the child meant to know whether or not he's allowed outside to play that day? It may not be as self-evident as you think.
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
Can the child play in the cold? Will the parent let the child play in the rain? In the snow? With the next door neighbor? With the dog? In his new clothes? Til dark? After just eating? Before doing homework? etc etc.
One parent may let their child play in the cold with the dog but not before homework is done. Another parent might let their child play before homework but not with the dog in the cold. The fact of the matter is -- you can't innately know what's right and wrong.
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
And you can't know what's right by just speculating about it. It all depends on the requirements of the particular parent. And this is obviously why kids from easy-going homes can be "shocked" by the requirements of their friend's parents when they go visit. "Wow, your dad makes you do so many chores, and doesn't let you stay up late", one kid says to another. Clearly, you can ONLY know what someone wants -- whether a parent or God -- BY THEM TELLING YOU.
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
See the entire scripture -- God commands believers to teach their children the Law (because the children don't know it by nature). Secondly, unbelievers are defined as those "now knowing good from evil", i.e. lacking understanding right/wrong. Indeed, the fool says in his heart "there is no God" -- unbelievers are brute beasts (Jude 1:10), and animals know more of their masters than unregenerate Israel understood about God (Isa 1:3).
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
Clearly, without faith we are "in the land of darkness", "without knowledge", "dead", "senseless", with "seared consciences", "ignorant". Only by faith can we know anything about God -- so the Bible HAS AN ABSOLUTE MONOPOLY ON THE TRUTH OF GOD WITH NO COMPETITION FROM ANY OTHER SOURCE OF KNOWLEDGE - BE THAT REASON/NATURE.
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
I think you are confused with what faith is. Take a look at Hebrews 11:1. It gives a pretty clear description.
"Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."
Faith is what helps us believe. And we can have faith in things other than God as well. I can have faith in a friend that she will keep a secret or have faith that the postal service will deliver my mail.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
Firstly, "knowing good from evil" is synonymous to understanding right and wrong.
Your first scripture used was in a poem by David, not a rule by God. That was a MAN's opinion.
Your 2nd scripture, if used in context (see verses 3&4), you'll see that Paul refers to men who claimed to be religious leaders who were actually twisting the gospel for their own sinful benefit NOT all sinners in general.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
In your 3rd scripture God was lamenting that his people did "not understand." not that they were stupid and didn't KNOW.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
As I stated above, there are other ways of knowing what someone wants.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
Well God gave Adam the anatomy to multiply, therefore there should have been no doubt that he was allowed to multiply. In fact, he should have known that he was INTENDED to do so.
If we are going to stick with the playing child metaphor, let me relate it a mother giving her child a bicycle. Why would the mother give her child a bicycle if he weren't supposed to go outside and use it?
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
Show me where i used the word "need."
...
I did not.
Be careful with your misquotations
Secondly,if Adam was truly completely clueless about how he worked, don't you think God would have also had to explain to him how to eat? How to go to the bathroom? How to sleep? God was merely telling Adam it would please Him to make more. I highly doubt Adam was looking at himself saying, "Hm I wonder what THIS does!"
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
Also interesting... Why in his right mind would Adam think multiplying would be wrong if God had purposefully made him the anatomy to do so? It doesn't make sense.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
God also tells countless number of people to do a countless number of things throughout the Bible. Simple things such as "go." He isn't telling them HOW. He is commanding them to.
As for the rest of your monologue, I don't understand what you are trying to say at all.
FishyBirdMLS 4 years ago
Well Andrew, I know you personally, and I know all you do is build your infamous reputation by tearing down men of God. Your theology (if it can be referred to as "theology") is based on flawed human logic alone, not the Scriptures. Repent from your sin before it is too late and convert to the living God.
yeluz 4 years ago
Remember what Peter said about certain readers of Paul's letter? He said they twist his words just as they twist all the other Scriptures. There is something to be said to those who twist what others say to be different than what was intended. I don't know if you are a brother or not, but please do see that you are not making John Piper look like a fool. You are the fool for illustrating to the world that you do not know how to read or listen. Grow Up!
timcoolguy19934 4 years ago
You could use a new hobby, little boy.
heartinwonder 4 years ago
IT IS WRITTEN in Romans that man has no excuse: they can know that there is a God by observing the nature! Paul speaks here about recognizing God as God. He does not speak of saving faith. Watch your kontexts and conclusions. You can study logical fallacies to make your statements more sharp!
michaeleyeofthetiger 4 years ago
man alive! have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of andrew? is there anyone you support or is the venom of your pen reserved exclusively for pastors whose success you clearly envy? and for the record, we ARE made in the image of God, even if that image is smeared by sin. it is a "both/and" scenario, not "either/or"
hojupom 4 years ago
Dude, you need to check your theology. Have you taken systematic theology? Have you actually sat under someone to learn? Man has not totally lost the image of God from the fall. Read the Noahic Covenant.
noaholdham 4 years ago
This guy posting videos has some serious issues. He loves to take men out of context and give them a hard time. Dont bother looking at his videos or even arguing with him, he is just causing division which does not help anyone.
jamie4x4x4x4 4 years ago 2
Yeah, I think I am in agreement.
None of the modern greats are spared. Even poor ole CS Lewis is in for a caning!
And, yes, I think I agree with the assessment of maturity: if you haven't doubted you're one of the elect, if you haven't at some time doubted God knows you're alive, even as the Holy Spirit dwells within you, then praise God... but please don't slag off those of us that suffer for a time such trials and tribulations of our enemy's whispering campaign.
Aragond68 4 years ago
Your grasp of reason is myopic.
It's obvious that you've been hurt and are lashing out. You are frustrated and confused. You are edifying no one. Try another line of work.
pbcinla 4 years ago
you may want to read the 3 comments below in reverse order...for it to make sense! Love from your bro in Christ. God bless.
ogradster 4 years ago 2
We may reflect elements of God's character when we love, when we are kind and just; but God cannot reflect elements of our sinful nature. We are made in the image of God, distorted yet in the process of sanctification.
ogradster 4 years ago 2
No, God is truth. Jesus said 'I am the way the truth and the life. I also disagree with your analogy 'if X is like Y, then Y is like X'. This is not an accurate portrayal of man being in God's likeness. You have interpreted 'likeness' to mean 'the same as'. This is wrong, likeness is a reflection of something else, not a clone
ogradster 4 years ago 2
, "All unbelievers have truth deep down" and come to the conclusion that Piper must mean "God is like unbelievers". If I were to use the same methods of assumption I would assume when you say that if an unbeliever has 'truth deep down' then God must 'be like unbelievers' ', you are stating that God is like an unbeliever who has 'truth deep down'. This is blasphemous. I'm sure you'll agree God is not like an unbeliever who has truth deep down.
ogradster 4 years ago 2
"'All unbelievers have truth deep down' Therefor Piper must say that God is like unbelievers"
In all love to a fellow brother in Christ, I urge you to remove this video from youtube. In your effort to communicate the truth of God's word you are in fact re-interpreting the words of a well trusted man of God, thus defaming him and his ministry. An example of this is the quote I listed above in which you have taken an excerpt from one of Pipers sermons,
ogradster 4 years ago 2
Romans1 says that unbelievers SUPRESS the truth of God in unrighteousness. What do you have to do in order to suppress something? YOU HAVE TO ALREADY HAVE IT. Therefore if unbelievers are suppressing the truth in unrighteousness as Romans 1 says than they must already have the truth in them. Its impossible to suppress something you don't have or even vaguely have. People have God's truth in them. Thats Piper's reasoning for saying we must stir up the truth already implemented in peoples hearts.
mille316948 4 years ago
Hi. Thanks for the comment.
If unbelievers have truth about God deep down in them, then why don't they believe the Gospel? Are you implying that someone can know God without knowing Christ? Isn't that what Muslims, Mormons, Hindus, JWs, Pagans etc believe? Aren't you making Christ a mere add-on or supplement to the knowledge of God?
"no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and the one to whom the Son purposes to reveal Him ." (Mt 11:27)
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
Rom. 1:18-20 The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
mille316948 4 years ago
People know the truth because the law of God has been written on their hearts. Please don't knock John Piper, for he greatly loves people. If you are a Christian, he is your brother and you should be doing all you can to support his ministry because he is in the business of saving souls.
mille316948 4 years ago
read John 1:8-9
rlgwf 4 years ago
Once again I laugh at the hyper-calvinist mumbo jumbo that causes you to attack even those that share in your basic theology. I guess your better and smarter than everyone!!! Keep it up, your message to the world is loud and clear!
hisfamealone 4 years ago
We can love because we were created in God's image. Therefore we can understand on a small scale what it means when God says he loves us. We can also get angry as God does. Because we are created in his image. Bill Clinton can only know God if God is knowable. He is knowable by our ability to understand on a small scale who he is. (knowing does not equal salvation so don't even try that argument.) A wise man listens to sound advice. Read a book, seek advice of Godly men, and stop your stupidity.
sonofcohen 4 years ago
G'day.
Where does the Bible say unbelievers are capable of love?
This is all I can find...
"For we also once were senseless, disobedient, being led astray, slaving for various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, HATEFUL, HATING ONE ANOTHER." (Titus 3:3)
Sorry, not sure where the image of God is in any of those things - seems that unbelievers are only capable of hate. Well, I suppose they do love falsehood =)
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
yeah, because we know that only Christians are good people...oh wait, you mean someone can be nice and caring and still not be a christians?! You mean only christian fathers can love their kids? Hmmmmmm.....your wrong.
sonofcohen 4 years ago
So a bad tree can bring forth good fruit?
AndrewcBain 4 years ago
That verse is reffering to false teachers and not a refference to the fruits of the spirit. ANything else you would like to misquote or are you done? Your reasoning and assuptions are false and your elders (if you have any) should rebuke you. Anything else?
sonofcohen 4 years ago
oh, and just so you know that wasn't my idea. It is based on a good understanding of systematic theology by Grudem. It is also backed up by Shedd, R.C. Sproul, and many other theologians on the subject of the knowability of God. So, unless you are the greatest theological mind of the 20th century....
sonofcohen 4 years ago
If we were not still created in God's image then man would never be ever to have a relationship with God. God would be so opposite of our make up that we would have no grounds for understanding or comparrison.
sonofcohen 4 years ago
Your unintelligence is baffling. Do you run your head into the wall everyday before you read your bible? "Okay now that I'm clearly stupified, let's go to the Scriptures and completely miss the point. My name is Andrew C. Bain and I have no idea what I'm talking about, ever." What an ignaramous.
krossdriven1 4 years ago
just imagine what you could do if you spent near as much time promoting the gospel , as you do tearing it down !!! The thing that's sad and breaks my heart is that you make a feable attempt to tear down these men who have poured out their lives in defense of the gospel. But that's OK... and they would say the same... I will be praying for you Andrew, that he will replace your heart of stone with a heart of flesh.
jplcooper 4 years ago
We are not made 'like God'..being made in His image means we are made up of three parts as God is. Body, spirit and soul(mind). That is pretty much where it ends in being like God though, especially if you are not saved. 1Thessalonians 5:23. No one seeks God on their own: 10 As the Scriptures say, "No one is righteous— not even one. 11 No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God.
moonglow38 4 years ago
Interesting. Piper is a Calvinist and AndrewcBain sees major problems with the Calvinist view as do I. I nearly lost my faith, walked away from God when I first learned of this view. To image God picking certain people to go to hell, either on purpose or through omission was THAT repulsive to me. I cannot worship a God like that. I think this is one of the worse teachings there are out there. I hung in there and studied those passages for myself to see what they really said.
moonglow38 4 years ago
All humans were created in the likeness of God, that is, in God's image. Every worldly desire is a desire to fill up a hole that is missing within themselves, and what is missing is God. So all the vain things we are seeking after is in ignorance. It is truly a search for God, if only they could understand that He is what they need. John Piper is completely right here.
Harrisonkyle 4 years ago
What Piper is saying is absolutely correct! You make no sense at all. You should stop trying to argue one on one with Piper - Your not that smart.
IamDulcinea 4 years ago
Mate you take things out of context. It seems like your out to rebuke church leaders. I do not totally disagree with all your theology, but you are stiring up trouble not helping build up Christians. I believe that when people make these type of video's (Billy Graham disses, A.W. Tozer disses, Piper disses etc) they do not present enough contextualisation to help any argument you can have against a preacher.
This video seems petty.
mattbennett35 4 years ago
I recall the story of a young man who stood up in the middle of a tavern, mocking the great awakening preacher George Whitefield. He was quoting Whitefield, mimicking his mannerisms & squinting as the man did. Suddenly in the middle of the sermon, he man fell under the conviction of sin and repented on the spot. Friends, as much as it pains us to see such error- recognize that God is sovereign and in His good time, He can suddenly bring conviction to Andrew. Pray for him.
palepreacher 4 years ago 3
This is why I don't get this guy. And I have never seen him respond to any of his comments. Does he do it just for the sake of argument? I also noticed that all of his favorites are his own stuff. You are way into yourself. And your videos are useless
joshjames76 4 years ago
I cannot believe how contrived and ridiculous this is- you are totally misrepresenting Piper and I'm pretty confident you know it. I fear for you.
mrrm1980 4 years ago
What platform do you stand on? What team do you represent? How many countless hours have you spent in study giving your life away to people? There are obvious theology differences between you two. How about doing your on exegesis and forming a ministry to save souls. I guarantee that then you would have little time to fight men that are in the battle with you.
ggilmo2 4 years ago 2
4He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in Him.
1 John 2
Estaah77 4 years ago
If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Estaah77 4 years ago
i know there is indeed a desire for God in each of us, can justify with own experience and other's who have a similar experience. we always have this experience, this longing to fill that desire with things that aren't God such as sexual immorality, drugs, alcohol and building up collections of material possessions and influence perhaps, even friends. when we don't trust in God to fulfill this ultimate desire and trust other things we can be in a state of idolatry yet never truly fulfilled
RichyUK86 4 years ago
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
dadgramps 4 years ago
No he did not say that. You are a torturer of the truth. Wide is the gate and broad is the way. YOU ARE ON IT!
coralseason 4 years ago
I agree with you.
jesusfreek8 4 years ago
Why do you waste your time criticizing sound doctrine while there's a sea of preachers out there who preach crap? Read Ecclesiastes 3:11; Romans 1:18-23
I'm afraid you're getting more confused in your own arguments. None of the quotes you used really go against the Bible. They are true as much as a couple of your statements about man's nature.
FishStudios 4 years ago
Romans 1:18-23 testifies to what Andrew said, it says nowhere that by God revealing it to them that they actually received it. Also, does Ecclesiastes mean that everyone knows God, because I thought that souls were eternal whether or not they were in Heaven or Hell. Also, does Scripture teach us to test everything, John Piper is not God.
kentkim23 4 years ago
John piper is not God, but he's a God-centered man. All John Piper is saying is we're made in the likeness of our Creator. I don't even get what the big deal is. Why don't we spend our time arguing with people who actually oppose the Gospel?
FishStudios 4 years ago
I thought Paul said to preach the Word of God, not just the Gospel. I thought we were supposed to test everything. Again, John Piper is not God he is fallible.
kentkim23 4 years ago
I get it. What I DON'T get is why saying we are made in God's image is wrong. I just don't get your point.
FishStudios 4 years ago
If saying we were made in His image okay, that's Biblical, why because it was before the fall (Genesis). Even that we were made in His physical image, that seems to continue on into the NT. But now because the fall, man is dead and does and God ses that no one seeks Him (Romans). It seems like John is sounding too much like someone I think you might recognize (Genesis 3:5).
kentkim23 4 years ago
This is why I don't get this guy. And I have never seen him respond to any of his comments. Does he do it just for the sake of argument?
joshjames76 4 years ago
That's a load of rubbish. Stop twisting people's words and attempt to do something productive with your time.
Rivkah21 4 years ago
Well, of what I could establish context in this video, I believe it was misunderstood. I see only a contention that the image of God is erased, and don't see the verses used to prove this compelling. If Dr. Piper is saying that unsaved man's knowledge that He hates God can be nurtured to a spiritual self-awakening, then he's dead wrong. But he didn't once say that, in the passages in which I could establish context. Sorry for the long response. May God bless you.
ReformedLou 4 years ago
The last bit addressing Perseverance of the Saints is too short and uses tiny excerpts. I don't have this book either. Can't establish context.
ReformedLou 4 years ago
In the sermon of 11/25 clip, I don't see Dr. Piper engaging in what Dr. Paisley would call Psycho-heresy. He's asking the Lord that the prayers of saints be effective in His bringing the rebellious heart to an "axiomatic" (convicting) knowledge of sin. The benediction speaks of the Lord using these prayers to awaken unbelievers to the rebellion they already know they commit. Again, if you believe that the Imago Dei exists (corrupted), this is perfectly reasonable.
ReformedLou 4 years ago
The "Supremacy of God in Preaching" excerpt is difficult to address, as I don't have the book. As presented, it looks like a poor choice of words, or an outright affirmation of your thesis. Knowing that the heart of unregeneration is against, not for, God, I can't see that quote making any sense. Again, I've no context in which to place it, so I reserve judgement.
ReformedLou 4 years ago
Your lead-in to sermon 8/27 speaks of the unbeliever's having the "mind of God", per Piper. The text presented says nothing of that, nor mentions the "how" in their coming to God. Dr. Piper whole-heartedly attributes this to God's sovereign work by the Holy Ghost, not the unbeliever's unregenerate will.
ReformedLou 4 years ago
2nd cont. - Jude 1:10 "they speak evil of those things which they know not". In Jude 1:11, they are related to Cain and Balaam, to whom God spoke, with Whom they conversed, but from Whom they rebelled. The scripture you've used to disprove a knowledge of God is speaking of those who did know Him. Now true knowledge, of His goodness, is different, but to know His commands? All cited texts refer to those who knew them.
ReformedLou 4 years ago
Secondly, you assert that man knows nothing of God. Citing Isa 1:3, you imply man knows God less than beasts their master. But look at how. In Isa 1:4-5, they have "gone backward", and "revolt". This implies knowledge without obedience, turning from what/Whom they knew. Jer 8:8-9, they say "the law of the Lord is with us", and they've "rejected the word of the Lord".
ReformedLou 4 years ago
This guy is just silly.
itsADieL 4 years ago
The first assertion, that Dr. Piper equates God to Bill Clinton, isn't a good rendering of his words. He said that Bill Clinton was created in God's image. If one believes that, as sons of Adam, we too are image-bearers, then that would include the former President. No equation is intended; only that we bear the (now corrupted) image of God. Next, I'll deal with your 3 texts, with which you attempt to refute this.
ReformedLou 4 years ago
Andrew, thanks for citing the sources in this submission, so they may be referenced. It seems the crux of your argument is that the Imago Dei has been eradicated with the fall, and that man cannot know God. I'll respond over the next few comments, as I want to be thorough; I'm not trying to filibuster.
ReformedLou 4 years ago
What's with this guy?
Trying to make a name for himself by twisting and slandering one of the most godly men laboring for the Lord today!
Wow, if you think Bain has a point, go to DesiringGod and listen or watch a few of John Piper's messages to decide for yourself.
club157 4 years ago
This Guy just misquotes and distorts what people say. He is the master of hearing what he wants. He is a deceiver and a liar. I tried to talk to him and he cannot even follow an argument. He twists and contorts the Word of God. Through eisegesis he shows his points. Hes a 1 verse cherry picker...
doolos 4 years ago
Are you Serious, McBain? Do you listen at all to whole messages? You probably read want you want from the Bible, like you listen to what you want.
miryst81 4 years ago
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Romans 1:19
because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
Wow, that was a 30 second search for me. You work harder taking people out of context than you do studying the Bible.
miryst81 4 years ago
also ,
God is not a man that He should lie, unregenerate man does not have the truth abiding in Him. He speaks lies from the womb.
Psa 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
It is impossible for God to lie.
Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
A corrupt tree brings forth corrupt fruit.
Bill
Bobo9977 4 years ago
To those who think that God is like man and vise versa.
Psa 50:21 These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
Man is so utterly blind and without hope that unless God moves upon a man he remains dead in sin.
Bill Scheltema
Bobo9977 4 years ago
andrew you wage war against the truth. you mock the Christ you claim to love. truth and those who teach it are trampled underfoot by those who claim to know it. Look at the cross!
made2enjoyGod 4 years ago
Amateurish attempt at slandering John Piper by taking him out of context.
VonHobbit 4 years ago
Acts 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you... 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
heathac 4 years ago
But no man can tame the tongue it is an unruly evil full of deadly poison with it we bless God our Father and with it we curse men .."Who have been made in the Image of God" James 3:9 I agree w/ the comment your taking piper out of context but you need to run a search on this idea and read what the Bible teaches Pre regeneration and post regeneration..awesome study. and Awesome Christ who made it possible!
cinlight 4 years ago
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
dadgramps 4 years ago
Why do you slander and gossip?
Sellthekid4food 4 years ago
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dadgramps 4 years ago