@saltyseaweed Agreed my friend. Mozart and Beethoven are certainly more passionate, while Bach balances passion with intellectual control. I adore Bach, but Mozart has always been one of my favorites. It's like comparing the fiery Michelangelo with the cool, technical Leonardo. Also, I agree that Gould can't play Mozart, and that his denunciation of Mozart and Chopin was uncalled for. Gould was too focused on strict technicality to allow for Mozart's mercurial, even childish, charm.
Must agree with the commenters below regarding M. Gould - compared to this amazingly nuanced and completely delightful performance by Lipatti, Gould sounds like a mechanical wind-up toy when playing (or perhaps more accurately, toying with...) this masterpiece of Mozart's. Not sure which i prefer - this or Richter;s slightly more reflective rendition: they are both quite superb.
Why do Glenn Gould fanboys feel like peppering a perfectly good Mozart video with their irrelevant GG posts? Glenn Gould didn't like Mozart, didn't care to play him well, very few Mozart fans think GG contributed anything worthwhile as far as Mozart is concerned. Please don't ruin a perfectly good Mozart video with your fan worship.
Many Mozart-detractors like Delius were fucking hypocrites,, Delius, who arrogantly said "if a man tells me he likes Mozart, I know in advance that he's a bad musician", adored Grieg, who admired Mozart without reservation.
Was he implying Beethoven, who said "I've always counted myself amongst the greatest admirers of Mozart and shall remain so until my last breath", was a bad musician. In defense of Delius, someone said "he was talking in terms of his own time"
@saltyseaweed True - Most notably Glenn Gould - sure, he was a fine musician, but unlike superior artists like Barenboim, Schiff, he often performed in his "self-righteous" way to get a reaction out of people. Let me quote one example- his Chopin is dreadful compared to Schiff's.
Glenn also called late Beethoven, "the greatest preponderance of nonsense", in his eyes, even the most accomplished musicologists were idiots.
Gould's own string quartets are in Schoenberg style. Fair enough. But little did he know, Schoenberg said, "I owe very very much to Mozart" and also said, something to the effect of - if people studied his quartets, they would also realize how much influence he received from Mozart.
I always thought that it should to be played as the Glenn Gould version. I mean, that was the frequent version that I always heard on the tv, as far as I remember. And I most to admit, that this version is just amazing.
Glenn Gould butchers Mozart. The beauty of Mozart's music is not mathmatical, like Bach's; it's based on human feelings. If you ignore all the subtleties and nuances of the music, like Gould does, you destroy what the music is about.
saltyseaweed: agree with you 100%! Perfectly stated! It's pathetic to see those mindless Glenn Gould fans wax lyrical about his perverse Mozart--not to mention the way some praise his bizarre butchery of the Chopin B Minor Sonata. They should all be forced to hear Mozart played by Lipatti or Haskil, and Chopin played by Cortot, Lipatti or Novaes...or perhaps they prefer blind hero worship to a beautiful performance.
@saltyseaweed I think Bach is one of the most emotionally moving of all composers. The mathematical, i.e. technical aspect, of his music is often exaggerated, I think.
I agree Bach is very moving. But all music is mathmatical to a certain degree, and what I meant is that Bach is more mathmatical than Mozart, and thus interpretations that work for Bach do not work the same extent for Mozart. Another way of comparing the two composers is that Mozart is more "mercurial," i.e., his moods "jump" a bit more than Bach, which I agree.
Bach is one of my favorites, didn't meant to imply his music has no emotional impact.
How right you are! This sonata, especially the part you mentioned, has complex harmonies that almost herald the arrival of Beethoven. These, combined with Lipatti's fantastic sensitivity and playing, really have the power to move to tears, even without knowing the history behind this sonata. Well observed!
This is perhaps the greatest pianist/artist of this century. A personality full of every healthy kind of emotion, and honest enough to put himself into a state of great passion, which isn't easy to do unless one has suffered in some exceptional way.
Awesome performance of (for its time) an awesome piece. Mozart wrote it in Paris at the age of about 18, having gone there with his mother. His mother became very ill, and died - you can detect a degree of his emotional state at that time by listening to this first movement. A young man in turmoil
I agree. Mozart didn't write a lot of sonatas in minor key, but those he did were outstanding. This one is heartbreakingly melancholy, though it hasn't the power of the C minor sonata, I find.
Actually he wrote this at 22... But yes... his mother died... Amazingly this is one of the only two sonatas composed by Mozart written in minor. This piece is known as one of his most chilling and darkest sonatas of Mozart.
@feng277394 Mozart is so breathtaking and profound in minor keys... Requiem, Symphony 40, quartet 15, piano concerto 24 (the Allegretto especially). This sonata is such an amazing piece of music and Dinu Lipatti's recording is the best
3 people were waiting for an imperfection, and it never came, so they hit the dislike button...
mgaforlife 6 months ago
個人的には、モーツアルトのピアノソナタ8番の最高峰だと思っています。
rutiyan 7 months ago
I felt as if I were in a dream when I was young.
tacaocatacasi 1 year ago
@saltyseaweed Agreed my friend. Mozart and Beethoven are certainly more passionate, while Bach balances passion with intellectual control. I adore Bach, but Mozart has always been one of my favorites. It's like comparing the fiery Michelangelo with the cool, technical Leonardo. Also, I agree that Gould can't play Mozart, and that his denunciation of Mozart and Chopin was uncalled for. Gould was too focused on strict technicality to allow for Mozart's mercurial, even childish, charm.
Cheers.
roman1akid 1 year ago
Mozart is soo... .............
Amadeus9933 1 year ago
This is so happy!! especially compared to Chopin, or Beethoven
zeldarules3 1 year ago
An excellent honest and very clean, clear precise rendition. But is it as interesting as Walter Klein's, or Schnabels?
Do you notice how he puts the ornaments in front of the beat, and not ON it?
cynic150 1 year ago
the most perfect recording of this piece I've ever heard
rubinsteino 1 year ago
Must agree with the commenters below regarding M. Gould - compared to this amazingly nuanced and completely delightful performance by Lipatti, Gould sounds like a mechanical wind-up toy when playing (or perhaps more accurately, toying with...) this masterpiece of Mozart's. Not sure which i prefer - this or Richter;s slightly more reflective rendition: they are both quite superb.
HolyMotherofGrid 1 year ago
Lipatti's an exceptionally brilliant pianist.
chendoIs 1 year ago
Gould's version is scary. Too fast, too mechanical, too "glenn-gouldy".
Richter's and Lipatti's are the best interpretations I've seen to date.
tiagobsreis 1 year ago
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danielberio 1 year ago
Why do Glenn Gould fanboys feel like peppering a perfectly good Mozart video with their irrelevant GG posts? Glenn Gould didn't like Mozart, didn't care to play him well, very few Mozart fans think GG contributed anything worthwhile as far as Mozart is concerned. Please don't ruin a perfectly good Mozart video with your fan worship.
saltyseaweed 1 year ago 4
@saltyseaweed
Many Mozart-detractors like Delius were fucking hypocrites,, Delius, who arrogantly said "if a man tells me he likes Mozart, I know in advance that he's a bad musician", adored Grieg, who admired Mozart without reservation.
Was he implying Beethoven, who said "I've always counted myself amongst the greatest admirers of Mozart and shall remain so until my last breath", was a bad musician. In defense of Delius, someone said "he was talking in terms of his own time"
Whatabout Ravel?
chopinandliszt 1 year ago 3
@chopinandliszt
It's my experience, Mozart detractors are attention-seekers more than music lovers.
saltyseaweed 1 year ago 2
@saltyseaweed True - Most notably Glenn Gould - sure, he was a fine musician, but unlike superior artists like Barenboim, Schiff, he often performed in his "self-righteous" way to get a reaction out of people. Let me quote one example- his Chopin is dreadful compared to Schiff's.
2009xellos 1 year ago
@saltyseaweed
Glenn also called late Beethoven, "the greatest preponderance of nonsense", in his eyes, even the most accomplished musicologists were idiots.
Gould's own string quartets are in Schoenberg style. Fair enough. But little did he know, Schoenberg said, "I owe very very much to Mozart" and also said, something to the effect of - if people studied his quartets, they would also realize how much influence he received from Mozart.
2009xellos 1 year ago
The essence of Mozart is balance and proportion. (Lipatti exemplifies it).
The essence of Glenn Gould is IM-balance and lack of proportion.
archduke55 1 year ago 2
A really gentle and pleasant interpretation of this piece...
stoprainlty 1 year ago
This is legato!
paradajz13 2 years ago
Like choire. I could listen Lipatti 24/7.
paradajz13 2 years ago
exactly! me too
1110Farah 2 years ago
Listening to this, & reading all your comments, has been soulfully delectable!
JunKueen 2 years ago 2
GG's is good too. Thats my fave :)
heyaidkwhut 2 years ago
I always thought that it should to be played as the Glenn Gould version. I mean, that was the frequent version that I always heard on the tv, as far as I remember. And I most to admit, that this version is just amazing.
JazzManEric 2 years ago
the glenn gould version has no feelings in it, it's played by a robot not a human
ulverup 2 years ago
I already changed my mind about the Sonata, but I'm not agree with you about Gould's version.
JazzManEric 2 years ago
Glenn Gould butchers Mozart. The beauty of Mozart's music is not mathmatical, like Bach's; it's based on human feelings. If you ignore all the subtleties and nuances of the music, like Gould does, you destroy what the music is about.
saltyseaweed 1 year ago
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soami2u 1 year ago
saltyseaweed: agree with you 100%! Perfectly stated! It's pathetic to see those mindless Glenn Gould fans wax lyrical about his perverse Mozart--not to mention the way some praise his bizarre butchery of the Chopin B Minor Sonata. They should all be forced to hear Mozart played by Lipatti or Haskil, and Chopin played by Cortot, Lipatti or Novaes...or perhaps they prefer blind hero worship to a beautiful performance.
soami2u 1 year ago 5
@saltyseaweed I think Bach is one of the most emotionally moving of all composers. The mathematical, i.e. technical aspect, of his music is often exaggerated, I think.
roman1akid 1 year ago
@roman1akid
I agree Bach is very moving. But all music is mathmatical to a certain degree, and what I meant is that Bach is more mathmatical than Mozart, and thus interpretations that work for Bach do not work the same extent for Mozart. Another way of comparing the two composers is that Mozart is more "mercurial," i.e., his moods "jump" a bit more than Bach, which I agree.
Bach is one of my favorites, didn't meant to imply his music has no emotional impact.
saltyseaweed 1 year ago
Listening to 3:58 to 4:14 brings tears to my eyes. Could almost feel Mozart's pain and anguish at losing his mother.
mokzartz 2 years ago 12
How right you are! This sonata, especially the part you mentioned, has complex harmonies that almost herald the arrival of Beethoven. These, combined with Lipatti's fantastic sensitivity and playing, really have the power to move to tears, even without knowing the history behind this sonata. Well observed!
dinastein44 2 years ago 11
What a wonderful sonata! I think it is the best sonata of Mozart's sonatas.
syss127 3 years ago 9
This is perhaps the greatest pianist/artist of this century. A personality full of every healthy kind of emotion, and honest enough to put himself into a state of great passion, which isn't easy to do unless one has suffered in some exceptional way.
genopal1020 3 years ago 20
@genopal1020 I can't stand falling in love when I listen to him! Unfortunately he died too much early!!!!!
3:00 only chills!
iguarni 5 months ago in playlist piano playlist
@genopal1020 Very true indeed.
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To my surprise, I actually like the Richter's more. May be this is not such a great piece of music after all.
mltube 3 years ago
Combien cette sonate paraît "naturelle",évidente,-jouée de cette façon!
Oui,Mozart est là!
antoinezygfryd 3 years ago 10
MOZART est là;
merci dinu !
plocplocplocploc 3 years ago 10
Awesome performance of (for its time) an awesome piece. Mozart wrote it in Paris at the age of about 18, having gone there with his mother. His mother became very ill, and died - you can detect a degree of his emotional state at that time by listening to this first movement. A young man in turmoil
WelshSaddler 3 years ago 10
I agree. Mozart didn't write a lot of sonatas in minor key, but those he did were outstanding. This one is heartbreakingly melancholy, though it hasn't the power of the C minor sonata, I find.
dinastein44 3 years ago 8
Actually he wrote this at 22... But yes... his mother died... Amazingly this is one of the only two sonatas composed by Mozart written in minor. This piece is known as one of his most chilling and darkest sonatas of Mozart.
feng277394 3 years ago 19
@feng277394 Mozart is so breathtaking and profound in minor keys... Requiem, Symphony 40, quartet 15, piano concerto 24 (the Allegretto especially). This sonata is such an amazing piece of music and Dinu Lipatti's recording is the best
petezilla 1 week ago
yes, Mozart only made 2 sonatas that were in minor.
piano sonata no. 8 in a minor and no. 14 in c minor
MusicCentral12390 2 years ago 2
Stunning! Bravo! TY.
paulostroff99 3 years ago 4