Very true. Something only someone like MT can do. He's an epic blues player and hopefully through YouTube many people will see just how amazing the man really was and still is. Let it flow Mick!
Somebody mentioned that it's all about songwriting, and I agree to a point. But the truth is, Mick T wrote most of Goat's Head Soup (grossly underrated album) with Jagger, and received none of the credit.
In fact, some of the best songs in their catalogue from that era- Moonlight Mile, Sway, Angie, Can you Hear the Music, Silver Train, Winter, and Can you hear me Knockin -all featured MT's strong hand. Yet he got hung out to dry when the royalties came flooding in.
In retrospect, Mick Taylor had some great years with the Stones, but I find Taylor's solo stuff to be kind of boring. He sounds like a great guitar player in need of some songs. Ultimately, the real strength of the Stones was their songwriting. Taylor wasn't in the band when Sympathy, Jumping Jack or Paint It Black were released. Ron Wood has become a real detriment to the Stones live show. Really sloppy, careless playing. This may be a result of being bored with the oldies set list.
I love Mick Taylor's playing, but he did sometimes have a tendency to overplay live. Listen to some bootlegs from '73, for example. But no doubt Taylor gave the Stones a dimension they never had before or since. It's no wonder the Stones haven't tried Time Waits live. He was NOT the best guitarist in the Stones for sure. It's not just about tone and technical playing, it's about creating great songs and great riffs, with attitude. For that, Keith Richards is the best.
How do you overplay? By taking the song to a whole new sonic level? I have the Brussels Affair Definitive Edition and it's proably the best rock album of all time. The Stones wrote the best songs and for a brief period had the best lead guitar player of early/mid 70's. By the way, that album is straight off the soundboard.
How do you overplay? Let me give you an example. I have a recording of a show from their Australian tour in '73. Mick Taylor sucks it up on Jumping Jack Flash by playing a really annoying rhythm pattern during the verse instead of playing in unison with Keith. And also, some shows it's as if he's soloing nonstop throughout each song. We don't need a constant guitar solo running through the entirety of a Chuck Berry cover, do we? Just sayin.
Fuck the ancient art of weaving. Taylor is a great artist and showed it in concert if you're wanting to overlook the albums he smoked on. Listen to any boot from '72 and '73; the guy was on another planet compared to the rest of the band. He also worked with Jagger to come up with the kind of songs - Moonlight Mile, Winter, Time Waits for No One - they never even attempted afterward. They've had no creative impact on rock since he left.
Yes I agree. Time waits for no one- one of the greatest guitar solos of all time. It is kind of sad to see Mick Taylor today. His personal appearance has gone to hell. He was a great looking guy in the late 1960's and early 1970's. I guess we are all getting older but he hasn't aged well. I think it's the weight thing.
Sure they do, but let's not descend into lunacy here and say Wood is a great artist. He himself says he's just a twanger and Taylor is an all-time great. Nobody in the Stones was in Taylor's class as a musician and they were lucky to have that 5 year period to live off of the last 30 years. They're just another corporate rock band and have been since 1980 - Taylor is
still a working bluesman, content to work the same clubs his idols did.Even so, I wish he'd sue the pants off the Grimmers.
Silliness. Mick Taylor overplays? Nonsense. Further, what did Mick have to due with laying down a groove. The simple fact is that the Mick Taylor years were THE years for the Stones. Taylor didn't never played endless guitar solos. He PERFECTLY complimented Keith.
Taylor tended to freestyle all over Keith's riffs. Creative, but feeling separate from the song; Wood less acrobatic, but actually meshed more with Keith (could Taylor have created the intertwining elegance of Beast of Burden, or the subtle pedal steel on Far Away Eyes, Shattered & She's So Cold? Doubtful).
"Taylor tended to freestyle all over Keith's riffs." Umm...OK? Generally when you have a ryhthm player & a soloist, the deal is ONE PLAYS RHYTHM WHILE THE OTHER PLAYS SOLOS. Taylor was a prodigy from even before his days w/ John Mayall. His was a truly GIFTED soloist and slide player. Could he have done what YOU suggest only WOOD can sure, no doubt. Could WOOD have come up w/ the meodic, soaring licks & unmistakeable vibrato on WINTER, SWAY,or the slide work of STOP BREAKING DOWN?
AH-HA, but that's the DIFFERENCE of the Stones to the typical rhythm/solo relationship. Keith always looked to what he perfected with Brian: "the ancient art of weaving," where you couldn't distinguish between who was playing solo and who rhythm. He found it again with Wood (who probably COULD pull off the slide work on Stop Breaking Down). Anyway, the heart of the Stones is the rhythmic riff style of Keith and Jagger's vocal stylings.
Guitar show offs are more Zep, Cream, J Beck, etc.
I never really bought that bit they tried to push re the "ambiguity of who was playing what." I mean if you let the MUSIC do the talking & NOT Keith, on how many tracks did they even pull that of w/ Ronnie? Several on Some Girls & several on Emotinal Rescue. And then you look at THE MATERIAL. Is it a coincidence that their run of albums from Let It Bleed to Black & Blue (the Mick Taylor years) is their best material, when they were at their peak live? I don't think so. Sorry Ronnie.
Keith probably meant the weaving aspect w/ Ronnie more in their concert work than albums, though you can hear it on even recent tracks like "Oh No not you again."
Taylor was not on Black and Blue (he had already left), and barely half of Let It Bleed. He was on neither Aftermath nor Beggar's Banquet as well, two of the best Stones albums. An acrobatic soloist, but if that's all you came to a Stones album for, you might as well just buy some souless show-off album by Zep or Cream instead.
Yeah, I'm aware of Taylor's tenure. The best lead work on Black & Blue was compliments of Wayne Perkins. You see pretty hell-bent on dismissing Taylor's playing. Even if he didn't play on that string of albums, the MATERIAL & production on them is still my favorite of their career. As far as the others you mentioned being soulless...Hardly. You obviously put more stock in rhythm guitar playing than soloing. Which is great. So few players pay equal attention to rhythm.
Wood's riff for "Hey Negrita" on B & B was decent. Zep IS pretty soulless - Page's xerox-mechanically-repeating riffs with masturbatory solos that want to be up there with Hendrix's but miss the humanity behind them, Bonham's mindless pounding, Plant's generic white bluesman howling; missing the point of the blues in all that bombast. I'll take Keef's 'it's not the notes you play, it's the notes you don't play' and Mick's wit and style over that sludge anyday.
Endless guitar solo's? Overplaying? When and where? Taylor was a virtuoso playing with a garage band. The art of weaving is so much bullshit, but if Keef says it, it must be so. All it means is they need two guys to play the rhythm guitar part. And trust me, anything Wood's done, Taylor can do. Actually he's known among guitar players for his tone and taste and never being out of control. He can play super fast but rarely and it's almost always about dynamics. How --never mind.Totally clueless.
Here's something for all you Ron Wood Vs MT freaks!
I love 'em both, they're good friends apparently and I'd love to see 'em both in their OWN band, outside of The Stones, with maybe Jim Keltner on drums and say, McCartney on Bass/vocals - all backing up Bob Dylan, maybe
i'm actually planning on finding out the monetary value that the stones place on MT...then i'll save that amount and give it to the stones so that he can fly back to the states or the UK or wherever they're held up, join the ranks and play with them again.
I saw him and met him at the DC Experience Hendrix show.Been listening to the stones
since 69.Mick played out of key and his sound (not the sound man)his amp,guitar had no tone?
I was puzzeled by the fact that the show was so unorganized.Some good moments,not many.Mick Taylor was not very friendly and a bit rude.I did meet Mitch Mitchell ... very nice man!!
Well Washington DC was the 1st show on that tour and as there was hardly any time scheduled for rehearsal. It's no wonder it was quite chaotic given the number of performers involved with the tour.
There was no opportunity for a meet and greet after that gig because the bus took everyone back to the hotel almost immediately after the set ended.
Taylor was actually testing the busdriver's patience by quickly saying hello to some fans and signing autographs for 10 min. He was the last on the bus.
The mistakes made at the Washington DC show could have been prevented by scheduling rehearsaltime. Quite a lot of chaos throughout the evening.
When Taylor played Catfish Blues, in the audience it was hard to determine the song with the mic not working at all on the 1st verse and working very poorly (too low in the mix) after that. It was not easy for Billy C and Mitch M backing Mick up this way as they could not hear any vocals in the monitors either. I did not notice anything wrong with guitar
thresholdgtr - your insightful and biting comment was very, very provocative but the only thing about you of which I am curious, is, what organic matter in this solar system do you think gives a fuck about what you feel about Mick Taylor much less anything?
Are you sure this is from Hendrix Experience and not Experience Hendrix? This sounds like the latter. I've seen it. I've never heard of the former.
nyjastul696 2 months ago
Very true. Something only someone like MT can do. He's an epic blues player and hopefully through YouTube many people will see just how amazing the man really was and still is. Let it flow Mick!
ANGRYEEL 2 years ago
I don't think that I have ever heard MT play quite like this before. I LOVE IT! His playing here sounds almost Hendrix-like!
Does anyone else agree?
rockonallnight 2 years ago
@rockonallnight Yes! I agree 100% thats what I was saying to myself while listening...sound s like Mr. Jimmy
scallly64 1 year ago
Somebody mentioned that it's all about songwriting, and I agree to a point. But the truth is, Mick T wrote most of Goat's Head Soup (grossly underrated album) with Jagger, and received none of the credit.
In fact, some of the best songs in their catalogue from that era- Moonlight Mile, Sway, Angie, Can you Hear the Music, Silver Train, Winter, and Can you hear me Knockin -all featured MT's strong hand. Yet he got hung out to dry when the royalties came flooding in.
Hey Mick- hire a Lawyer!
IndoeLoop 2 years ago 3
@IndoeLoop
Do you have proof for the claim that "Mick T[aylo] r wrote most Goat's Head Soup..."?
gregbye331 1 year ago
In retrospect, Mick Taylor had some great years with the Stones, but I find Taylor's solo stuff to be kind of boring. He sounds like a great guitar player in need of some songs. Ultimately, the real strength of the Stones was their songwriting. Taylor wasn't in the band when Sympathy, Jumping Jack or Paint It Black were released. Ron Wood has become a real detriment to the Stones live show. Really sloppy, careless playing. This may be a result of being bored with the oldies set list.
odh202 2 years ago
I love Mick Taylor's playing, but he did sometimes have a tendency to overplay live. Listen to some bootlegs from '73, for example. But no doubt Taylor gave the Stones a dimension they never had before or since. It's no wonder the Stones haven't tried Time Waits live. He was NOT the best guitarist in the Stones for sure. It's not just about tone and technical playing, it's about creating great songs and great riffs, with attitude. For that, Keith Richards is the best.
odh202 2 years ago
How do you overplay? By taking the song to a whole new sonic level? I have the Brussels Affair Definitive Edition and it's proably the best rock album of all time. The Stones wrote the best songs and for a brief period had the best lead guitar player of early/mid 70's. By the way, that album is straight off the soundboard.
ApollosRevival 2 years ago 2
How do you overplay? Let me give you an example. I have a recording of a show from their Australian tour in '73. Mick Taylor sucks it up on Jumping Jack Flash by playing a really annoying rhythm pattern during the verse instead of playing in unison with Keith. And also, some shows it's as if he's soloing nonstop throughout each song. We don't need a constant guitar solo running through the entirety of a Chuck Berry cover, do we? Just sayin.
odh202 2 years ago
Hmm...never heard that boot. I suppose some people like the constant soloing; to each his own.
ApollosRevival 2 years ago
Hello!!
Have you ever heard mr. Wood play like this!?
lassaberg 2 years ago
Fuck the ancient art of weaving. Taylor is a great artist and showed it in concert if you're wanting to overlook the albums he smoked on. Listen to any boot from '72 and '73; the guy was on another planet compared to the rest of the band. He also worked with Jagger to come up with the kind of songs - Moonlight Mile, Winter, Time Waits for No One - they never even attempted afterward. They've had no creative impact on rock since he left.
mecormany 2 years ago 9
Yes I agree. Time waits for no one- one of the greatest guitar solos of all time. It is kind of sad to see Mick Taylor today. His personal appearance has gone to hell. He was a great looking guy in the late 1960's and early 1970's. I guess we are all getting older but he hasn't aged well. I think it's the weight thing.
juscurious 2 years ago 2
please do not compare great artists to eath other..does one compare davinci with monet?
frankan222 2 years ago
Sure they do, but let's not descend into lunacy here and say Wood is a great artist. He himself says he's just a twanger and Taylor is an all-time great. Nobody in the Stones was in Taylor's class as a musician and they were lucky to have that 5 year period to live off of the last 30 years. They're just another corporate rock band and have been since 1980 - Taylor is
still a working bluesman, content to work the same clubs his idols did.Even so, I wish he'd sue the pants off the Grimmers.
mecormany 2 years ago
Damn, I wish I didn't have to agree with you. But, yup, you are so right.
ajgottesman 2 years ago
early stones(jones) nasty stones(taylor)
funky/ragga/disco/funny stones(undercover etc)
over produced stones 86 on-which i still like..steel wheels etc
i love all the eras.
panda606 2 years ago
Taylor good, but sort of overplays like Clapton. The Stones wasn't about endless guitar solos but the groove and bounce - Mick n' Keithville.
Artistspop 2 years ago
Artistspop,
Silliness. Mick Taylor overplays? Nonsense. Further, what did Mick have to due with laying down a groove. The simple fact is that the Mick Taylor years were THE years for the Stones. Taylor didn't never played endless guitar solos. He PERFECTLY complimented Keith.
cutglove 2 years ago
Taylor tended to freestyle all over Keith's riffs. Creative, but feeling separate from the song; Wood less acrobatic, but actually meshed more with Keith (could Taylor have created the intertwining elegance of Beast of Burden, or the subtle pedal steel on Far Away Eyes, Shattered & She's So Cold? Doubtful).
Artistspop 2 years ago
Artistspop,
"Taylor tended to freestyle all over Keith's riffs." Umm...OK? Generally when you have a ryhthm player & a soloist, the deal is ONE PLAYS RHYTHM WHILE THE OTHER PLAYS SOLOS. Taylor was a prodigy from even before his days w/ John Mayall. His was a truly GIFTED soloist and slide player. Could he have done what YOU suggest only WOOD can sure, no doubt. Could WOOD have come up w/ the meodic, soaring licks & unmistakeable vibrato on WINTER, SWAY,or the slide work of STOP BREAKING DOWN?
cutglove 2 years ago 2
AH-HA, but that's the DIFFERENCE of the Stones to the typical rhythm/solo relationship. Keith always looked to what he perfected with Brian: "the ancient art of weaving," where you couldn't distinguish between who was playing solo and who rhythm. He found it again with Wood (who probably COULD pull off the slide work on Stop Breaking Down). Anyway, the heart of the Stones is the rhythmic riff style of Keith and Jagger's vocal stylings.
Guitar show offs are more Zep, Cream, J Beck, etc.
Artistspop 2 years ago
Artistspop,
I never really bought that bit they tried to push re the "ambiguity of who was playing what." I mean if you let the MUSIC do the talking & NOT Keith, on how many tracks did they even pull that of w/ Ronnie? Several on Some Girls & several on Emotinal Rescue. And then you look at THE MATERIAL. Is it a coincidence that their run of albums from Let It Bleed to Black & Blue (the Mick Taylor years) is their best material, when they were at their peak live? I don't think so. Sorry Ronnie.
cutglove 2 years ago 2
Keith probably meant the weaving aspect w/ Ronnie more in their concert work than albums, though you can hear it on even recent tracks like "Oh No not you again."
Taylor was not on Black and Blue (he had already left), and barely half of Let It Bleed. He was on neither Aftermath nor Beggar's Banquet as well, two of the best Stones albums. An acrobatic soloist, but if that's all you came to a Stones album for, you might as well just buy some souless show-off album by Zep or Cream instead.
Artistspop 2 years ago
Artistspop,
Yeah, I'm aware of Taylor's tenure. The best lead work on Black & Blue was compliments of Wayne Perkins. You see pretty hell-bent on dismissing Taylor's playing. Even if he didn't play on that string of albums, the MATERIAL & production on them is still my favorite of their career. As far as the others you mentioned being soulless...Hardly. You obviously put more stock in rhythm guitar playing than soloing. Which is great. So few players pay equal attention to rhythm.
cutglove 2 years ago
Wood's riff for "Hey Negrita" on B & B was decent. Zep IS pretty soulless - Page's xerox-mechanically-repeating riffs with masturbatory solos that want to be up there with Hendrix's but miss the humanity behind them, Bonham's mindless pounding, Plant's generic white bluesman howling; missing the point of the blues in all that bombast. I'll take Keef's 'it's not the notes you play, it's the notes you don't play' and Mick's wit and style over that sludge anyday.
Artistspop 2 years ago
Artistspop,
Your assessment of Zeppelin is silliness.
"Bonham's mindless pounding???"
ABSURD.
On THAT note, I'll end this conversation.
cutglove 2 years ago
Well playing constantly at 11 amounts to the same thing...
Artistspop 2 years ago
Endless guitar solo's? Overplaying? When and where? Taylor was a virtuoso playing with a garage band. The art of weaving is so much bullshit, but if Keef says it, it must be so. All it means is they need two guys to play the rhythm guitar part. And trust me, anything Wood's done, Taylor can do. Actually he's known among guitar players for his tone and taste and never being out of control. He can play super fast but rarely and it's almost always about dynamics. How --never mind.Totally clueless.
mecormany 2 years ago
fantastic...MT is god !
iwasbornin1955 2 years ago
Here's something for all you Ron Wood Vs MT freaks!
I love 'em both, they're good friends apparently and I'd love to see 'em both in their OWN band, outside of The Stones, with maybe Jim Keltner on drums and say, McCartney on Bass/vocals - all backing up Bob Dylan, maybe
Any takers?
Hanksalot 3 years ago
Hank - When what I've seen - the friendship's one-sided - Ronnie's been
bashing Taylor lately, Taylor always has
something nice to say about Ronnie..
MLC
mcddtlc 2 years ago
who the fuck is mick taylor
ALLEYJOE 3 years ago
Alley - I'll tell you who Mick Taylor is
only the BEST FUCKING Guitarist that was ever
in the Rolling Stones - bop around here and
LISTEN you might learn something! - MLC
mcddtlc 3 years ago
ha ha ha fuck you
ALLEYJOE 2 years ago
What a LOSER!! - last time I'll respond
back to you - CLOWN!!!
mcddtlc 2 years ago 2
You could pop this guitar riff right onto Get Yer Ya Ya's and it would fit perfectly. It's sad watching Ron Wood play slide after watching Mick T.
terryorr 3 years ago
Hey, if Ronnie does stop his drinking, maybe The Stones will reinvite Mick T. back !
ukraininoak 3 years ago 2
ronnie wood is better
no i am not drunk;it was a joke
kingcat61 3 years ago
this is f**king brilliant
stones0731 3 years ago
but then again, he could just tour with this group.
stones0731 3 years ago
i'm actually planning on finding out the monetary value that the stones place on MT...then i'll save that amount and give it to the stones so that he can fly back to the states or the UK or wherever they're held up, join the ranks and play with them again.
stones0731 3 years ago
this comment actually makes no sense, nevermind lol
stones0731 3 years ago
monsterrrr for ever!!!!
juanmafreire 3 years ago
whoa! curveball fishing after me. what?
stones0731 3 years ago
holy fuck. its muddy waters.
stones0731 3 years ago
Thres - this sounds out of key??? no tone???
what was in your ears??
I've met Mick too, and every time he was cool to me?
MLC
mcddtlc 4 years ago 2
I saw him and met him at the DC Experience Hendrix show.Been listening to the stones
since 69.Mick played out of key and his sound (not the sound man)his amp,guitar had no tone?
I was puzzeled by the fact that the show was so unorganized.Some good moments,not many.Mick Taylor was not very friendly and a bit rude.I did meet Mitch Mitchell ... very nice man!!
thresholdgtr 4 years ago
Well Washington DC was the 1st show on that tour and as there was hardly any time scheduled for rehearsal. It's no wonder it was quite chaotic given the number of performers involved with the tour.
There was no opportunity for a meet and greet after that gig because the bus took everyone back to the hotel almost immediately after the set ended.
Taylor was actually testing the busdriver's patience by quickly saying hello to some fans and signing autographs for 10 min. He was the last on the bus.
watchingthewheels2 4 years ago
The mistakes made at the Washington DC show could have been prevented by scheduling rehearsaltime. Quite a lot of chaos throughout the evening.
When Taylor played Catfish Blues, in the audience it was hard to determine the song with the mic not working at all on the 1st verse and working very poorly (too low in the mix) after that. It was not easy for Billy C and Mitch M backing Mick up this way as they could not hear any vocals in the monitors either. I did not notice anything wrong with guitar
watchingthewheels2 4 years ago
thresholdgtr - your insightful and biting comment was very, very provocative but the only thing about you of which I am curious, is, what organic matter in this solar system do you think gives a fuck about what you feel about Mick Taylor much less anything?
MidnightRambler444 3 years ago
This guy can still play circles around most guitarists!!!
MLC
mcddtlc 4 years ago 5