I read somewhere that the sound of this keyboard is better than Casio ctk4000's sound, but that article also said thet Yamaha's keys were softer concerning to weight, and that is not so good to you if you want to play a real piano after this one, is this true?
@trevortjes well, I've thought about that before, but I really wanted an opinion from someone with experience, so your comment has been very useful to me, thanks for that man! Anyway I was comparing this one to Casio's ctk 4000, but I think this one has more beatiful sound! Thanks again! Greetings from Argentina!
hey....Ich möchte mir dieses Keyboar af Amazon bestellen nr hätte ich eine Frage nd zwar:was ist den jetzt eigtl..der nterschied zwischen dem PSR E 223 nd dem PSR E 323 ??hoffe d kannst mir helfen
@Alena97my Und ich weiß, worauf ich jetzt spare XD scheiße, hab auf einmal keinen Bock mehr auf mein Yamaha PSR 4500. Naja, hab ja noch ein PS 6100 ( heul...)
@dgrespect Nemam ja pojma,al koliko vidim iz ovog sranja,izgleda nije los.Al samo jedno,nije ti uopste za narodnjake,ako si zbog te muzike hteo da kupujes.Raspitaj se jos malo po muzickim forumima...
@medykydem Yes, you need cables. You need a jack cable to connect it from the phones output (Keyboard) to the audio input to your computer. Then you open the Cubase and you can record your playing.
I have recorded two four track.. sacred songs...grand piano, choir, strings, classical guitar, & harp...so amazingly realistic... enjoyable..wow!!!.excellent !!! I want everyone to have this wonderful instrument. Thank you!
You're amazing. I don't even speak your language. I am Canadian, but you sold me..Your playing is wonderful..I loved the show tune, it's so much fun....I would like to know what you did. I have ordered this psr e 3e3...the piano, guitar, strings sound wonderful...I am expecting delivery tomorrow and can hardly wait!! I'm a song- writer and composer and expect to have a lot of fun. Thanks and God bless.
Piano, E-Piano, Organ. Die unvermeidliche Demo-Reihenfolge. Niemand, der so ein Keyboard will, interessiert das. Bumm Bumm Bumm - das wollen die Leute hören!
i have a piano like this one, and sometimes it just gets gradually quiet while i'm playing. does it have an option which reacts makes this, or my piano has a problem?
@ArtificialFlavaFTB2 yes..... you can plug any instrument to a computer.... all you need is the cable, it's extremely cheap.... plug one end of the cable to the piano phone/output and the other end in the computer microfone input plug and that's it :)
@smallnessie93 Well i don't really know, it's probably midi....... but you do can conect it to a computer as any other piano but probably you can't store songs or playbacks on it... BTW a got an old Yamaha for beginners which works perfectly well for me since i got a software called the Omnisphere, you've probably heard of it....., another techniche i use is create playbacks myself and record them in computer and save them to an ipod... it also works fine as having a complex profesional piano
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It's not a "great" keyboard, but it has everything you need when you want to start playing Keyboard. It's not expensive at all (got it for around 200 euros) and it features alot of sounds. especialy the string samples are really well.
what I don't like : It doesn't come close to the volume of a normal piano. I think it's way too soft, the bass should be more powerful too.
@lumbri9 I have this board and a Roland xp-50..... Get a bass amp and you will be amazed at the sound that comes out of this unit. It really brings out the bass.... It can be whatever you make of it :-). I play in a Tribute, Classic Rock & Heavy Metal Band and it's working wonders for me.
kupio sam ovo a i tebi svabo bas jebem mater ne mozes da pricas na engleskom kao sav normalan svet na netu nego moras da se proseravas na svabskom .... zato cu i ja na srpskom -.- nasi me razumeju :D
i've got this keyboard with "Sinterklaas" (the dutch santa claus), i looked movies @ youtube, play it on it. it's an amazing keyboard for a beginning keyboard player (a)
but, does anybody know where the button: harmony for is? i can't find it. and i don't want to read the descripion.. XD
@Czopkomandor You can put new Songs (MIDI-FILE) and fitting Styles via USB- Wire on the E323. It´s not possible to put new Voices (intrument sounds) into it! You need the Dependig driver and program for your PC to connect the Keyboard to PC. You can find it on the CD-Rom you got with the E323
Thanks for posting this video. I just ordered this Keyboard and can't wait to get it, it sounds awesome! We were really surprised by the quality of the piano sound in your video... wow!
i noticed that he has a melody playing in the background while he is playing. is that something that plays only after you play the notes or do you have to keep up with it?
3:42-4:20 Epic :) . Thank you!
M4rgelatu 2 weeks ago
supiiii!!!!!!!! Tolles video
cemonaldo13 2 months ago
Herzlichen Glückwunsch. Sie sind sehr talentiert.
ionelghinet8029 2 months ago
Ein Könner am "Werk" - Klasse !
Gerd3008 2 months ago
yyy
jarek968 3 months ago
5 people get'ed Fal on there mous and then it got to Dislike.. :'(
Driftkingrik 3 months ago
I didn´t understand nothing but the music was cool.
mjgb772007 3 months ago
@mjgb772007 Its German.
MrWonnabee 3 months ago
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mjgb772007 3 months ago
amazing
dkodkodko 4 months ago
whoo just ordered mine, 139 looks so worth it!!
SupAStarLTRE 4 months ago
Does it have Church Organ sound?
TemplarJudicator 5 months ago
@TemplarJudicator yes, it have
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alwaystheway 5 months ago
I read somewhere that the sound of this keyboard is better than Casio ctk4000's sound, but that article also said thet Yamaha's keys were softer concerning to weight, and that is not so good to you if you want to play a real piano after this one, is this true?
RodrigoAtilio2 6 months ago
@RodrigoAtilio2 I indeed experienced that playing this keyboard is softer then a real piano.
But to solve that problem you can adjust the touch sensitivity so you have to play harder to hear a note louder.
trevortjes 6 months ago
@trevortjes well, I've thought about that before, but I really wanted an opinion from someone with experience, so your comment has been very useful to me, thanks for that man! Anyway I was comparing this one to Casio's ctk 4000, but I think this one has more beatiful sound! Thanks again! Greetings from Argentina!
RodrigoAtilio2 6 months ago
Amigos una Pregunta como es el numero de lo que el Ultimo toca que parece Violin y se escucha hermoso por favor diganmen??? gracias
mastersssable 6 months ago
Ich mochte das Yamaha PSR E 323
xXxBOLTxX 6 months ago
E 323 tem teclas sensitivas a maioria dos teclados baratos aí não usam, tendo mecânica de órgão, sem dinâmica...
puraabelhinhalinda 7 months ago
3:48 funny :D
edgaro91 7 months ago
Muito bom esse teclado yamaha..... Vamo lá Yamaha Brasil!
operigosodopotira 7 months ago
this is shit compared to Psr e423
tristram599 7 months ago
hey....Ich möchte mir dieses Keyboar af Amazon bestellen nr hätte ich eine Frage nd zwar:was ist den jetzt eigtl..der nterschied zwischen dem PSR E 223 nd dem PSR E 323 ??hoffe d kannst mir helfen
Dondonssister 7 months ago
@Dondonssister Das 223 ist nicht anschlagdynamisch. Nimm lieber das 323.
AzimuthProductions1 7 months ago
Wirklich sehr informativ, das Video. Danke!
Könntet ihr bitte auch eins für das CTK 4000 von Casio machen?
Ich finde hier keine guten Videos darüber.
SaphiraSiLva001 7 months ago
Cool :D Does anybody know shops in singapore that have this?
starling100 8 months ago
@starling100 Well you Could buy CTK 4000 for $300 at Courts Megastore :P
service2tube 7 months ago
i poor T.T
edwin54944444180099 9 months ago 2
@edwin54944444180099 I have no 222€ :'(
xXxBOLTxX 6 months ago
@xXxBOLTxX Thanks for lettting me know, xD
wesleykevinanthony 6 months ago
ich hab mir das gleiche jetzt auch gekauft
Alena97my 9 months ago
@Alena97my Und ich weiß, worauf ich jetzt spare XD scheiße, hab auf einmal keinen Bock mehr auf mein Yamaha PSR 4500. Naja, hab ja noch ein PS 6100 ( heul...)
DuBistAhnungslos 8 months ago
moj klavir......
robertkurucz 9 months ago
@robertkurucz Jel dobar,ja bi kupio ovakav.
Yellowatz 9 months ago
@Yellowatz da stvarno reci kakav je malo bolje informacije molim te :) ocu da kupim ovu klavijaturu...
dgrespect 8 months ago
@dgrespect Nemam ja pojma,al koliko vidim iz ovog sranja,izgleda nije los.Al samo jedno,nije ti uopste za narodnjake,ako si zbog te muzike hteo da kupujes.Raspitaj se jos malo po muzickim forumima...
Yellowatz 8 months ago
@Yellowatz ma kakvi crni narodnjaci :DDD ne volim ja to.... ali hvala ti! :)
dgrespect 8 months ago
Can i connect it to PC and record this what i played on keyboard and later use that in Cubase, Samplitude etc?
medykydem 9 months ago
@medykydem Yes, of course. I also do it with PSR-7000.
AzimuthProductions1 9 months ago
@AzimuthProductions1 do i need cables or it should be included with keyboard?
medykydem 9 months ago
@medykydem Yes, you need cables. You need a jack cable to connect it from the phones output (Keyboard) to the audio input to your computer. Then you open the Cubase and you can record your playing.
AzimuthProductions1 9 months ago
tell me the name of styles, voices and songs used in video?
Rafinha3222 9 months ago
What song is that on 1:38 minute? I like the rhythm..
maximdotmd 9 months ago
Vielen Dank für dieses Video! Dank diesem hab ichs mir gekauft! :)
Hopedotz 10 months ago
@jAcKLoVeSmUsIc1 Yup you can mate. You need an audio midi usb cable which plugs in to your pc. Cheers
MrJackanthony 10 months ago
1:44 sounds great!
umbraas 10 months ago
Kann man die an PC anschliessen ??
sybairDE 10 months ago
Das ist ein wahrer Goldstück (meinerseits)
MusicHairStyleRobK69 11 months ago
enhorabuena colega, no pare... sigue siempre gravando tus avanzos.... Suerte !
MorenoSanches 11 months ago
I got it today... Happy, happy fuking day
creedenceaj 1 year ago
@creedenceaj Is it good? I'm think of getting it soon.
zizo47 11 months ago
@zizo47 well, for the price, yes, it´s excelent, and the piano sound is very good.
creedenceaj 11 months ago
@creedenceaj but...? And btw, I'm just a beginner :)
zizo47 11 months ago
@zizo47 It´s perfect for beginners and medium level
creedenceaj 11 months ago
I cant understand what you're saying but you are a joy to watch. You're really good
stamaxo 1 year ago
im buying this next month
codetube17 1 year ago
wie kann ich das keyboard mit meinem pc verbinden?
SpLAxDesigns 1 year ago
what notes abcd doremi
dragonquest20 1 year ago
I buyed this Keyboard before 5 Weeks... i must agree with the most people and say its great :D Its also good Beginner E-Piano in my opinion^^
ViewtifulDaniel 1 year ago
did he use a sustain pedal?
yoshimiyavi 1 year ago
hovedo
cavo1515 1 year ago
I have recorded two four track.. sacred songs...grand piano, choir, strings, classical guitar, & harp...so amazingly realistic... enjoyable..wow!!!.excellent !!! I want everyone to have this wonderful instrument. Thank you!
byheavenlyhosts 1 year ago
You're amazing. I don't even speak your language. I am Canadian, but you sold me..Your playing is wonderful..I loved the show tune, it's so much fun....I would like to know what you did. I have ordered this psr e 3e3...the piano, guitar, strings sound wonderful...I am expecting delivery tomorrow and can hardly wait!! I'm a song- writer and composer and expect to have a lot of fun. Thanks and God bless.
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can some1 tell me which one is better e423 or e323 please???
I am actually a beginner and dont really know those stuffs.
i ve seen quite awesome grand piano sound from the e323 but the e423 i dont know much. please give me advices guys!!
Yomost2530 1 year ago
@Yomost2530 for a beginner start with the e323 :) for advance use e423
celebrityfan1990 7 months ago
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can some1 tell me which one is better e423 or e323 please???
I am actually a beginner and dont really know those stuffs.
i ve seen quite awesome grand piano sound from the e323 but the e423 i dont know much. please give me advices guys!!!
Yomost2530 1 year ago
Piano, E-Piano, Organ. Die unvermeidliche Demo-Reihenfolge. Niemand, der so ein Keyboard will, interessiert das. Bumm Bumm Bumm - das wollen die Leute hören!
fiutare1 1 year ago
i have a same piano :D yamaha psr E323
HorsesAreLive1 1 year ago
Thanks alot! It has really helped me alot about which one I'm gonna choose. Bye the way: You are amazing, on the piano!
ujbnvf 1 year ago
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Nekit959 1 year ago
Klasse Keyboard das Yamaha PSR-E323 (YRT-320)
habe es mir auch gekauft. Ist Top!
Danke für das Video!
M1Molter 1 year ago
@Jumpfruit Thx alot man :))))
DetelinaraBre 1 year ago
Can i plug this on computer to work on Reason 4 or FL 9??? Pls answer fast i want to buy this if it can be pluged in computer ?
DetelinaraBre 1 year ago
Excellent demo, think i might go buy one today. Danke.
axeman3d 1 year ago
just got this keyboard
dan1986ist 1 year ago
just got it
danrub 1 year ago
just got it
danrub 1 year ago
Who else got this for christmas? ;)
Blader999 1 year ago
I want this for christmas too =D
Jorisferrandisf 1 year ago
I could listen to you play with the different sounds alll day.
jamiejus 1 year ago
como se llama la segunda cancion k toca??
wath name is the second song?
15xicowapo 1 year ago
I have this..
Nekit959 1 year ago
@Nekit959 what drum kit effects does it have???
mw2freakAK47 1 year ago
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Nekit959 1 year ago
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@mw2freakAK47 Sorry, I don't speak English well, because i'm ukrainian. in what sense "drum kit effects"?
Nekit959 1 year ago
My girlfriend's getting me this for Christmas!!! Woohoo!....but if she doesn't.....BANG
!
howaya 1 year ago
My girlfriend's getting me this for Christmas!!! Woohoo!....but if she doesn't.....BANG!
howaya 1 year ago
Is it possible to use this for music composition software, (fruity loops, pro tools, reason, etc.?)
Dlavernia 1 year ago
I want this for christmas :)
Blader999 1 year ago 18
@Blader999 i get this on Christmas :D
dh5696 1 year ago
@Blader999 me too :)
mepopa 1 year ago
@Blader999 Ebay: ArtikelNummer 180601206413 !
93NikoX 1 year ago
@93NikoX Spam, thumbs down, außerdem habe ich bereits ein PSR E 413 für 150 € online kaufen lassen :)
Und ich will nimmer' warten >:D
Blader999 1 year ago
@Blader999 im grtting it i thnk:D
asomeguitarist97 1 year ago
@Blader999 im think getting it i :D
asomeguitarist97 1 year ago
@Blader999 lmao thats what my dad got me
xMaGiCxJTAGx 1 year ago
@Blader999
I got this for Xmas- It's GREAT!
MrGuitarPrayer 1 year ago
@MrGuitarPrayer I have it a few months now too, I still love it, it's so fuckin' enough for me ;)
Blader999 1 year ago
@MrGuitarPrayer Wait FAIL I got a used PSR E-413 :D
But this one is pretty good too :)
Blader999 1 year ago
@Blader999 me too :)
Speedy3mausi 6 months ago
I've tried google for answers but no help.
Can this be plug to the computer to be use on fruit loops 9 to create music
MexicanFcl 1 year ago
whats the title of the song from 0:30 to 0:58?
fever003 1 year ago
whats better, the casio ctk 3000 or psre 323?
rosswood0602 1 year ago
I´ll get this keyboard on christmas. The sounds are so awesome, I´m so happy to get it! :)
davin110 1 year ago
@davin110 wow! Me too!
victorNDSL 1 year ago
Thanks
gabrieltqm69 1 year ago
Ok. in my country Mexico the price is $ 2500
also 204 USD
gabrieltqm69 1 year ago
is there a sustainer pedal?
rakizta20008 1 year ago
co sprawdzic w ustawienaich jesli klawisze nie wydaja prawidlowych dzwiekow...
trzesczy... ???
MegaBiolog 1 year ago
What's the price of this keyboard ?
gabrieltqm69 1 year ago
@gabrieltqm69
around $300 USD.
Haydn780 1 year ago
@Haydn780 not really now it is $150 + usd :)
celebrityfan1990 8 months ago
I'm saving up money for this Yamaha.. I played on it in a store. and i'm sold (:
anneroos8 1 year ago
i have a piano like this one, and sometimes it just gets gradually quiet while i'm playing. does it have an option which reacts makes this, or my piano has a problem?
rbdbety 1 year ago
@rbdbety your piano is equipped with 'Touch Sense'. Make sure you switch off 'Touch Sense' for the sound to come back on at the desired volume.
SavioCajetanDSouza 9 months ago
Could I plug this in my computer and record into Mixcraft(mixing and editing program)
ArtificialFlavaFTB2 1 year ago
@ArtificialFlavaFTB2 yes..... you can plug any instrument to a computer.... all you need is the cable, it's extremely cheap.... plug one end of the cable to the piano phone/output and the other end in the computer microfone input plug and that's it :)
rockertillmydeath 1 year ago
@rockertillmydeath sorry...could you tell me what formats does it support? I mean .midi, .mp3, .kar? Thank you :)
smallnessie93 1 year ago
@smallnessie93 Well i don't really know, it's probably midi....... but you do can conect it to a computer as any other piano but probably you can't store songs or playbacks on it... BTW a got an old Yamaha for beginners which works perfectly well for me since i got a software called the Omnisphere, you've probably heard of it....., another techniche i use is create playbacks myself and record them in computer and save them to an ipod... it also works fine as having a complex profesional piano
rockertillmydeath 1 year ago
ich würde und hab ich auch noch 100Euros drauf legen das Yamaha PSR-E423 Keyboard ist viel viel geiler
Felixxmit2x 1 year ago
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I'm from Brazil
Which one is better
"psr e323" or "CTK-4000"?
answer me please!
thanks
leafarafon 1 year ago
I'm sold on this.
xDuseldorf1103 1 year ago
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Gibsonsru 1 year ago
I want a keyboard with realistic sounds but I'm having trouble choosing between this or the Yamaha Motif, which should I get?
Dadee3 1 year ago
I own this Keyboard now for about a year now.
It's not a "great" keyboard, but it has everything you need when you want to start playing Keyboard. It's not expensive at all (got it for around 200 euros) and it features alot of sounds. especialy the string samples are really well.
what I don't like : It doesn't come close to the volume of a normal piano. I think it's way too soft, the bass should be more powerful too.
lumbri9 1 year ago
@lumbri9 I have this board and a Roland xp-50..... Get a bass amp and you will be amazed at the sound that comes out of this unit. It really brings out the bass.... It can be whatever you make of it :-). I play in a Tribute, Classic Rock & Heavy Metal Band and it's working wonders for me.
born2boat96 1 year ago
thank you! now I know what to buy ;)
LoveFoPrince 1 year ago
Here's a good tip if you're lookin' for great organ sounds with this keyboard: Press 167 That's the drawbar organ! :D
Juicefani11 1 year ago
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LetsPlayKaizo 1 year ago
@anelcoel
Thank you, now I know that I'll have to save more money to get it soon ;) Take care
SlainByThePendulum 1 year ago
@SlainByThePendulum There's one for sale on Ebay. Brand new, boxed. £144.
shazbonaz 1 year ago
wie heißt das lied ab 0:30 ?? :-]
Handeltasche 1 year ago
Hey, does this keyboard have some kind of sustain pedal included or it is sold separately? Can anybody tell me, please?
SlainByThePendulum 1 year ago
@SlainByThePendulum The sustain pedal is sold separately.
anelcoel 1 year ago
what's the song at 1:54?
mineapolis 1 year ago
@mineapolis sounds a little like canon rock in d
Farewell2Life 1 year ago 3
@Farewell2Life
Thanks for the answer :)
mineapolis 1 year ago
kupio sam ovo a i tebi svabo bas jebem mater ne mozes da pricas na engleskom kao sav normalan svet na netu nego moras da se proseravas na svabskom .... zato cu i ja na srpskom -.- nasi me razumeju :D
qsefm 1 year ago
@qsefm Reci mu batice.
Divljina89 1 year ago
@Divljina89 nego kako :)
qsefm 1 year ago
1:36 guitar
das3d 1 year ago
i had casio ctk 700 for beginers and now i want to buy something better this yamaha looks nice so i would ask some is this good replace for casio ?
qsefm 1 year ago
how do you play the Jazz Organ part???
Holycrap27 1 year ago
can you add more sounds from PC like I don't know... 8-bit sound?
FunnyFlash3 1 year ago
i've got this keyboard with "Sinterklaas" (the dutch santa claus), i looked movies @ youtube, play it on it. it's an amazing keyboard for a beginning keyboard player (a)
but, does anybody know where the button: harmony for is? i can't find it. and i don't want to read the descripion.. XD
veer2110 1 year ago
KUPUJE :D
samuell119 1 year ago
Yamaha has the best and most affordable entry level keyboards in my opinion, they can do so much for their price.
DavetzWin 1 year ago
You are such a show off!!! I can understand it from your move....
Alex11039 1 year ago
thanks Mr.Smith!! :) I will go for it ;)
dylan1281 1 year ago
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Vheos777 1 year ago
@Czopkomandor You can put new Songs (MIDI-FILE) and fitting Styles via USB- Wire on the E323. It´s not possible to put new Voices (intrument sounds) into it! You need the Dependig driver and program for your PC to connect the Keyboard to PC. You can find it on the CD-Rom you got with the E323
WolchowsFilmschmiede 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this video. I just ordered this Keyboard and can't wait to get it, it sounds awesome! We were really surprised by the quality of the piano sound in your video... wow!
TealOctober 1 year ago
Thank you for this video!
Shotec1 1 year ago
i noticed that he has a melody playing in the background while he is playing. is that something that plays only after you play the notes or do you have to keep up with it?
Whitebread145 1 year ago
What songs does he played? ; >
Corson12 1 year ago
do it have any midi in/out in the back
teateaboy1 1 year ago
@teateaboy1 no the e223 has
remali26 1 year ago
@teateaboy1 remali26 is lying. the psr 323 HAS midi in/outputs in the back!
VSS2400 1 year ago
@teateaboy1
Yes it has
revilo111 1 year ago
hat DAS keyboard eine anschalgdynamik
Checker4401 1 year ago
@Checker4401 Ja.
falkowiegandt 1 year ago
If only this guy explains about this keyboard in English...
CyberSetan 1 year ago
@CyberSetan It's a good keyboard, buy it! I have got the same, you can ask me if you want to know something about it.
MartyMartin87 1 year ago
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@CyberSetan It's agood keyboard, buy it! I have got the same so you can ask me if you wanted to know something about it.
MartyMartin87 1 year ago
@CyberSetan It's a good keyboard, buy it!
MartyMartin87 1 year ago
Fielen Danke!!!
BluesMamaRaven 2 years ago
It always amazes me what these entry level yamaha keyboards can do despite their price range...compared to Casio.
InfiniteBlue00 2 years ago 30
@InfiniteBlue00 You're an ignoramus! yamaha keyboards are not compared with Casio damned. Casio keyboards are just a small nasty bug for Yamaha!
LRomStar 1 year ago
@LRomStar Haha, well said.
InfiniteBlue00 1 year ago
all excellent resources
wbennet 2 years ago
Esta transtortado al -2 :s
secuenciasconteclado 2 years ago
Good machine... really good...!
alphanumalpha 2 years ago 2
I just want it
TurboOOodruT 2 years ago
beautiful
karatzoglou123 2 years ago