You seriously say "and god tells in the quran how he created the universe and how it was originated from smoke n hot gas" and think anyone with even a modicum of an education would find that an informed and respectable explanation? COME ON! That's the sort of thing a satirist would say. As I said, Islam relies on great ignorance and is the product of it.
@ritchloui bro prophet muhamed(P) havent brought a new religion but the religion that was practiced by the propehts and messengers and their nations, is what we practice today. also repeat what you said? that the whole universe being originated from a dust could be guesed??? or that there is a barier between the two seas(salt n river)??? or the embryo n how a baby is formed step by step in the womb?? you are either insane or arogant. so dont come to me with nake words prove that...
@islam6429 all so called prophecies in the quran are vague non sense reinterpreted to match science. These verses have been reinterpreted so many times that they have lost all meaning.
@ritchloui dont come to me with naked words prove to me the things that he said which was wrong?? if no then bro with all do respect dont give us you're attribute cus your the one who has ignorance about the truth.
@islam6429 The whole point about mystical garbage is that it is neither true nor false, it is unverifiable nonsense. I’ve even heard idiots say that because Mohammed said the sun and moon were ‘lamps’ he therefore knew they were inanimate objects, therefore he had great understanding. You keep using the word ‘truth’. Tell me one thing that Mohammed said that was true and I will show you how it is either uninformative, unverifiable or simply banal.
@ritchloui why would some "idiots" tell you that the prophet said the moon and sun are lamps etc? for what point? tssk. tell me he had great understanding of it what? that the moon and the sun orbit like mentioned in the quran "It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course."21:33 since u said that islam relies on ignorance blahb... lets see
@ritchloui ...tell me 15 centuries ago how did the prophet come about this verse "Thou seest the mountains and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they pass like the passing of the clouds: (such is) the artistry of God, who disposes of all things in perfect order: for he is well acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 27:88)" that the mountains are not still but that they move? and 2. how could he tell what happens in the womb and how the baby is formed in the womb when.....
@ritchloui ...when people today who were more educated than him or may i say who could write and read only found today with technology. n the verse is "Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!"23:14 and this next verse tells how it goes into 3 stages.........
@ritchloui ....."..........He creates you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation, within three darknesses. That is Allah , your Lord; to Him belongs dominion. There is no deity except Him, so how are you averted?"39:6 so tell me, was it some one that discovered all of that before him n he then copied them? if you say that he guessed your messed up. n bro i'm not gona logic you about how that is imposible to discovered at that age.
@islam6429 I tell you this so you can understand; I love His creation and, with all due respect, I seek understanding of it. I bow down to no ideology. Anything, including religion, is to be questioned. I have NO respect for any religion that discourages a broad mind, an open heart and a questioning soul. Christianity and Islam are fraudulent as far as they tolerate no opposition. I oppose them.
@ritchloui tssssk. you challenge me n then u run! i totaly understand. i'm a guy who understands your situation. cus you got nothing to lean on n you know that what i'm telling u from the quran is truth. n u know that there is no way that a guy who is like prophet muhamed(p) could bring this book even if he more knowledgable than those who has masters today. n if u want to chase your desires in the world like how dog chases his tail n never catches it, then be it. but if u want to do....
@islam6429 You really have to read more. It's like trying to talk to someone about colours when they are colour blind. The Ancient Greeks produced books and plays that are still read and enjoyed today for their insight into the human condition. It's as simple as that. Check out the photos from the Hubble telescope, find out about the genome project, find out about the periodic table. There's so much that is freely available. You have chosen ignorance and superstition. Broaden your learning!
@ritchloui bro lets not play peek a boo cus we know that ur gona open ur eyes sometime soon. n there will be the truth that ur hiding from n my friend i'm still waiting the answer n if u got none then i dont do chit chat. also if you want to see the beuty of the quran then learn arabic n read the words of god the way it is originally was revealed to us. then u'll see what makes an older people weep n laugh at the same time. also science is just discovery of what the quran says. so......
@ritchloui ...so that is the most broad that you can ever reach. n mate dont give me your attripute cus the state ur in is what u call ignorance n i'm trying to educate you, but ur busy playing dumb dumb.
also if u get involve with the arabic language you'll know that the quran is the most and the best of the arabic n authors, poets n writers quote the quran in their master piece n i can't help you realize that if your ignorant.
@islam6429 The reason Arab authors quote the Koran is that it was shoved down their throats from birth and, of course, it helps further their career. Sorry mate, but the rest of humanity has managed to move on into the 21st century. If you prefer to stick to the grim ideology of an ignorant and barbaric warlord from the 7th century, more fool you. But, of course you'll use your computer (no Islamic contribution whatsoever to the knowledge and technology there) and your mobile, your car. etc.
@ritchloui never met an arogant n yet ignorant person like you. bro all the words your typing doesn't make sence, it seems to me that your a person expressing emotions n feelings. my friend your ignorant about the facts the muslims are the ones that brought this '21st century' look spain the architecture they left n u hear like the type of water clock that came into existance during 1335 in millan,italy but it was in use in spain and was made by a spanish muslim in 9th century according to...
@ritchloui ...according to will durant. and same goes the class miror that was produced in 1291 in vinice but in fact when the Venetians learned of the art of fine glass production from Syrian artisans during the 9th and 10th centuries. and many more but u dont see that n u exaggerate blahblahblah.
this is what the noble quran says "“And servants of (Allah) the Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, Peace"25:63
@islam6429 Saudi Arabia, madhouse. Pakistan, madhouse, Afghanistan, madhouse, Indonesia, madhouse, Sudan, madhouse, Eritrea, madhouse, Somalia, madhouse, Bangladesh, madhouse, the whole of the Middle East, madhouse. What is the ONE thing that links them all?
@islam6429 One of the points I keep constantly making. The ONLY progress that Islam claims for itself is from the civilisations that were ALREADY advanced when they were invaded. Islam exploited what it could, destroyed what it was threatened by and guess what? Progress ended 1,000 years ago. Despite such a huge head start, these civilisations fell silent under the Islamic jackboot and have suffered tyranny ever since. Islam has NOTHING to be proud of; its ignorant clerics create hell for all.
@ritchloui yeh i talked about this before they were claiming that muslims did all this scientific discoveries, but actually when looking a little more found out these scientists had muslim names and lived in islamic states but clearly didn't believe in allah or muhammad. It says in their books, 'that I don't in muhammad's claim of prophethood nor believe in their god', etc...
So these seem to be false claims made by ignorant muslims. Muslims spend so much time reading the quran they seem to..
@islam6429 More books have been translated into Spanish (let alone English) in the last year than into Arabic in 1,400 years. That's the level of ignorance I'm talking about. Tell you what, suggest some Arab music and poetry or stories (translated obviously) and I'd love to follow it up. Especially the music.
@ritchloui ...but if u want to do something better with your life. th3n islam is the place where u want to be. n believe me god says in the quran that he created mankind with its nature that he knows that there is a higher being above the heavens. n u can't deny that cus u feel that there is a higher being up there. islam is that u keep the right of ur lord n his creatures. simple is that. n if u r running off from it because u hear that indivitual people killed people under the name of islam...
@islam6429 Sorry mate. I'm way ahead of you. I've had a go at reading the iQuran. It was simply dull, dull, dull. A witless, humourless diatribe about believers and unbelievers. The language is deliberately obscure and open to many interpretations; people can find anything they want. It's not poetic, nor beautiful nor even profound. I'm sorry for people who have been so damaged by its threats and vacant claims. Many are too afraid to learn anything lest they stray from 'belief'. It's sad.
@ritchloui bro i'm the kinda of guy who takes everything with strong acception, so instead of exaggerating about the quran, tell me where you found such things that ur uttering. also in a nutshell if u said that the noble quran is exaggerated then my question that i asked you earlier awaits u of how the prophet described the way allah shapes the baby in the womb ...............
@ritchloui ..13:Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; 14:Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump.." in chapt 23 n it says in another verse "He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. such is Allah, your Lord and Cherisher: to Him belongs (all) dominion.There is no god but He: then how are ye turned away (from your true Centre)?" 39:6 so do tell
@islam6429 That 'information' was a rehash of far better knowledge that was already well established in Ancient Greece. Miscarriages were, and still are, common especially in the first three months. So even a layman would know what the early stages of pregnancy involved. Then of course are the obligatory repetition of the old mantra about the make-believe and threats. Not profound, not informative and not very interesting.
@ritchloui .....then that is ur choice. cus what couple people did is not blamed for a whole belief n billions of people in the world. n islam we worship none but the one who created everything not a tree or grave or cross none of that. but i leave u with this verse from the quran n i hope it helps you. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks....
@ritchloui ..."... And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.257:Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever)." in chapt 2 so bro what the messengers came with is to warn us n give glad tidings to those who believe.
@islam6429 Yup. A perfect example of the vacant, fraudulent and meaningless threats and flowery language. Anyone can come up with crap like that, no studying, no learning, no knowledge, no truth. "and the Lord shall smite down his enemies and throw them into the pit" "mercy be on the unbeliever for his path is away from God and his punishment awaits him" bla bla bla bla
Answer me this. Who ordered the destruction of the Library of Alexandria? Who ordered the destruction of the Library of Constantinople? Why was there NO engineering or scientific achievement in Arabia during the 'Golden Age'? Why was the progress in the advanced civilisations halted 1,000 years ago? Why are all the 100% Muslim countries the most backward and barbaric? We all know why. Ignorance is a sacrament in Islam and it shows.
Christians don't read their bible on their own, they only listen to their preachers. Acts 2:36 tells us that Jesus was MADE by GOD. Read:"Let all the house of Israel [not the world] therefore know for CERTAIN that God has MADE him both Lord and Christ." The Christians, as Paul put it:" exchanged the truth of God for the lie [trinity] , and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator [MAKER], who is blessed forever. (Romans 1:22-25). Very clear, certain English.
@jamool2009 Oh no i,m not a Christian. i don't follow the Abrahamic Religions at all. I am a tru believer in the Maat. The Gnostics knew the truth about the God of Abraham. ACTS7:22 Psalms84:11 Malachi4:2 Nehemiah8:6 & REV3:14. just a few verses.. i dont thump the socalled scriptures.
I know your are not blind. Arabs came to Africa trying to decieve the Africans with their religion. they wanted to take control of African Resuorces. Africans were inslaved for a 1,000 under the Muslim Arabs b4 the whiteman got involved. Islam has done nothing but destroyed Africa. Arabs call African ppl abids to this day. they still have African ppl as slaves. onething about the socalled Sub-Sahara Africans they never let the Arabs in the interior of Africa. Arabs will be tossed from Africa.
Both religions are wrong Amen Ra is God not Allah. under Islam Blacks were Abids(Slaves) . When we worshipped Ra we sat on the thrones in Cush,Nubia& Egypt the Arabs(semites) were under our feet. Now Blacks who follow the Abrahamic religions are at the bottom of society everywhere. we are the head that became the tail. Acts7:22 that Psalms84:11. REV3:14.
@garychldress74 Islam calls for freeing the slaves. One of the closest disciples of the prophet of Islam was a BLACK man (named: Beelal) who calls for prayer five times a day and he was bought by a Muslim from his master and let free. Slavery in time of Islam has nothing to do with color; it has to do with prisoners of wars and kidnapping of children. A rich black man can buy a white slave. It's the white Europeans who made the blacks an abject of slavery. An Arab is the one who speaks Arabic.
@jamool2009 Islam was introduced to Africa by the SWORD. those who didn't embrace Islam were called infadales. Yes there was Islamized Blacks who sold other Blacks especially the women into Slavery. The Sahara Slave Trade 1,000yrs B4 the Atlantic slave Trade. Arabs& Turks were very brutal toward the Africans & it was all under Islam. The White Semite is the Arab even though they are of mixed breed. Beelal was a Slave & Servant to the Prophet Muhommad.
@garychldress74 It's obvious that u are very ignorant by saying that "Islam was introduced to Africa by the SWORD. those who didn't embrace Islam were called infadales." Islam ruled Spain for 800 yrs and India for 1000 yrs, but both countries are NOT Muslim. Non-Muslim blacks sold blacks. By the way, there are TODAY non-Muslim blacks who are selling black men as slaves inside and outside Africa. It's unfair to compare Muslims to white Christians regarding the treatment of blacks.
@jamool2009 When the Moors were pushed out of spain they went in to Africa. The Moors destroyed African culture & institutions such as timbuktu. In Arab Muslim countries Blacks are not treated as Equals. here in the United States the Arabs own more Businesses in the Black community then the Black Muslims. The Arab is Screwing Blackwomen but don't want Black Muslims to touch Arab Muslim Women. Today African countries are coming together against the Arabs & islam.
We have a saying: the dog loves the one that beats it. It seems to me that you still love your white masters who segregated you even in churches. Muslims NEVER had segregated schools, bathrooms, restaurants or mosques. You are becoming like the Zionists who thrive on racism and hate against others and turn around and say: why the others hate us? You reap what you saw. Don't forget that recent conflicts in Sub-Sahara Africa proved that Africans are more barbaric against their even countrymen.
@jamool2009 Africans have internal problems like everyone else. Blacks are waking up about the Arabs. How could we let a desert ppl treat us like this. these ppl came to Africa seeking refuge from the oppression that was going in the lands where they come from. Arabs have no respect for African Culture or Anyone else's Culture. Arabs will never control Africa. The African ppl are making that clear. the Zionist & Arabs both played Africans for their Resources. Africa 4 the Africans thats it.
@garychldress74 U said: "African countries are coming together against the Arabs & Islam." That''s because people like you are used by their White Masters in Zionist USA and Europe to do their dirty colonial works. But, FREE African people know who is their enemy. The Arabs and Islam will be the dominant force in Africa especially after getting rid of Western puppet regimes.
@garychldress74 U are a liar by saying:"Beelal was a Slave & Servant to the Prophet Muhommad". Where did find that info? Whenever a Muslim mentions his name, he says: "our MASTER Beelal". Tell me where in history a black man is called master by non-blacks? It seems to me that u are BOUGHT by your white master MISSIONARIES. Do u have an African name or Gary? Why didn't you keep your "African culture"? Why are becoming a westerner in appearance and deeds?
It's a shame that the video is so heavily edited. When the Rev. was speaking about Joshua. It took all power and meaning out of what he was quoting.
He was proving that God appeared in bodily form to many prophets including, Abraham, Joshua, Moses, Jacob, etc.... It shows that the New Testament is consistent with the Old Testament. That God the Son came to earth in bodily form should be of no surprise to anyone. Because God is a personal God who can exist in his creation to guide us.
The Old Testament tells us that Jesus will come to earth and has to be worshiped for he is God.
Daniel 7
13 "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one...
@QuiteNot First, the OT NEVER mentioned Jesus by name; it talks about a human hero (son of man) to liberate the Jews from their enemies NOT their sins as claim. The people of the OT believed in their LORD GOD (Yahweh) but did NOT believe Jesus even as a prophet. Second, your DREAMER Daniel in 7:14 says "He was given authority, glory and sovereign power". Very simple question: How can God be given authority and sovereign power? Who gives authority to God Almighty? God is sovereign. Wake up.
@jamool2009 I don't know if it's meant to be taken literally. more like showing complete equality with God the Father (Ancient of days). No one else fits the prophecy now does it, who else is the Son of Man that is worshiped by the world ?
@jamool2009 Also that verse means that Jesus is the one who you ask for forgiveness, as Jesus said no one comes to the father except through me. Every other person is a liar and a thief. No other way, but to recognise the Son of God. He is the only one who has the power to save you.
@QuiteNot Jesus said:"'Father, SAVE me from this hour'". Jesus asked God to be saved; he is a son of man= human who is in need of God. Jesus said: he does NOTHING on his own. Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because GOD was WITH Jesus. John 14:24 "the word you hear is NOT mine; it comes from the Father who SENT me." Mat 6:15 The FATHER forgives your sins.
@QuiteNot ur preachers didn't tell u these verses. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. John 6:65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him. John 17:6 "I have given knowledge of Your Name to the men whom You GAVE me out of the world: yours they were, and You GAVE them to me," It's GOD the Father Who decides NOT Jesus who said in John 8:28:"I do NOTHING on my own but speak just what the FATHER has taught me." It's plain English.
@jamool2009 You twist the words to suit your agenda. Just let them speak for themselves. You didn't answer my question, who is the son of man (came as a human being with the same limitations as any of us) that has a kingdom that will never be destroyed, who is worshiped by the world ?
@QuiteNot My agenda is Jesus' agenda. U are lying against God and Jesus. I told u what Jesus said about himself. U are the one who is twisting. I know no one who "has a kingdom that will never be destroyed". Many sons of men were worshiped in history. Fore example, Roman emperors were called son of god or god and they were worshiped. I will not worship any man that has the SAME limitations as me and you. Tell me the disciples who said we worshiped Jesus. Read my comment above.
@jamool2009 Well if you are going to look at all the verses like you said you should...it clearly says the Son of Man is the one owns the Kindgom of heaven, he is the only way to be saved, he is the only one who fits the prophecy, who is worshiped by the world.
Muslims just don't seem to understand the bible, that is why you cannot make all of jesus words make sense. Christianity teaches that Jesus was a man on earth but he had God's spirit inside of him, his soul.
God put his spirit inside mary, God from God, spirit from spirit. So since Jesus was fully human while on earth, yet fully God in Spirit. Jesus had to pray to God the Father just like anyone else. But also Jesus clearly said wherever two or three gather I will be there with you, this shows that Jesus is fully Spirit normally, he will guide you even after his mortal flesh dies. Only God can do this, only God is omnipresent. Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father (God the Father).
So why did Jesus say seeing me is seeing the Father, for no one can see God and live. All the prophets saw God and yet lived too....Moses knew God after meeting with him his face lit up with light. The Elders of Israel saw God too and ate and drank with him (Exodus 24). So what does this mean ?
It means that no one can see God, but only a representation of himself, so he can be known by us. So Jesus meant that he is equal with the Father, seeing Jesus is seeing God, he was God.
Jesus also said he came from heaven, the only one to have come heaven. He is the bread from heaven, etc... he said I AM the true vine, life (which means he is eternal, only God could call himself life), truth (only God embodies all the attributes of truth, only God could call himself truth), the resurrection. He also said no greater love can a man show than to lay down his life for his friends. Jesus repeated this message I am going to be crucified because it is the Fathers will that I save you.
@QuiteNot U are NOT supporting what u say by scriptures. Don't let them brain-wash you about the GENERAL expression, son of man which is another way of saying a human being or son of Adam. Here is ur son of man in Job 25:6: "How much less man, who is but a maggot— a son of man, who is only a WORM!" Son of man does NOT refer ONLY to Jesus, and there is no CAPITAL S in Aramaic. Ezekiel was called MANY times by God, son of man as in 2:3: "Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites..."
@jamool2009 I already said that....your avoiding the consequences. Who is the Son of Man (human) that has God's kingdom that will never be destroyed, all authority has been given to the Son, so saying God or Allah is not enough, only Jesus name is good enough. Who is worshiped by the world ? Everything i have said is supported by scripture I just paraphrased the verses. You would know that if you were really searching and knew what you were talking about.
@QuiteNot u are NOT responding to the verses I quoted. u said:"Everything i have said is supported by scripture I just paraphrased the verses." Don't paraphrase, just tell me the verses. Paraphrasing=twisting. u quoted me only Daniel who was DREAMING! Jesus lasted ONLY less than 3 yrs; he did NOT have authority over his Jews; he did NOT liberate them from the Romans; he was powerless to achieve anything. Let me ask u a question: Whose name that was "good enough" for Noah's and Moses' people?
@jamool2009 not going to get into all that with you. it's too long and complicated....and paraphrased means the same thing as the quote just not 100% word for word. Just google search my paraphrased quotes or how about just reading the bible.
Everything I have already answered (so since Jesus was fully human while on earth, yet fully God in Spirit.) but the bible in my experience requires you to continually correct your perspective to find the truth of the scripture. So if you have already made up your mind or do not have the intention to find out what the bible teaches open minded you cannot understand it. The Father must draw you in not me.
Also Christianity is different to all other religions. Cause it's about God guiding you, about a relationship with him, God has done the work (on the cross, as he said no one good not one, forgive them they know not what they do) and you are saved. The only thing that will send you to hell is continued striving against his word and spirit. You are saved by faith alone. You are not forced to do anything (unlike islam), you only accept something if it truthful to you.
We are not expected to be perfect examples, only Jesus was, only Jesus could resist Satan his whole life without falling once into sin. But if you have faith God will change your heart and make you at peace with yourself, this is what really makes you saved, the spirit giving you peace, making you see and understand the scriptures...thereby leading you to be set free of living in sin. But you are a sinner for life, no one is/was perfect except Jesus.
@QuiteNo u are NOT reading your bible. u parrot what u were told. Here is a good example, u parroted:"You are saved by faith alone." u should read JAMES Chapter one. Here is 1:17: Faith that doesn't lead us to do good deeds is all alone and DEAD! Also 1:24 You can now see that we please God by what we DO and not only by what we believe. Is the righteous James the disciple wrong? Can u see how u are brain-washed by the followers of murderous Paul?Wake up. u are defying the TRUTH:Mat 5:19-20.
@jamool2009 No, your just not seeing the big picture, because you haven't even read the bible and dare to lecture me....James is saying yes, you should do good, it's part of the spirit dwelling in you, without God though, how can you do it from pure compassion. Anyone can do good deeds, doesn't mean they are good.
"So if you have already made up your mind or do not have the intention to find out what the bible teaches open minded you cannot understand it. The Father must draw you in not me."
@QuiteNot I'm reading and quoting u verses. u are NOT. U told me the Pauline lie:"You are saved by faith ALONE." in order to sell his lie to the gentiles who are not used to the Jewish Law. Jesus and James CLEARLY told u that faith alone will NOT save u. Faith and DEEDS must go together; deeds are the fruits of faith. Common sense. All the 10 commandments are deeds. Jesus demanded of his followers very tough DEEDS: carrying their own crosses, hating their families and giving up their money.
@jamool2009 yeh whatever....if you have faith then love is the result, good deeds come from a genuine faith, no work is required. So yes faith is all you need.
Hating your family is not literal, it means that people will hate you if you say convert to Christianity in an Islamic family. So compared to the love you have for God, the word hate is used only because your love for God should be much greater, don't honor your family culture, honor God.
What is the story telling you about God's Holiness and the way to forgiveness and oneness with God ?
Exodus 24
The Covenant Confirmed 1 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Come up to the LORD, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. You are to worship at a distance, 2 but Moses alone is to approach the LORD; the others must not come near. And the people may not come up with him.”
3 When Moses went and told the people all the LORD’s words and laws, they responded with one voice, “Everything the LORD has said we will do.” 4 Moses then wrote down everything the LORD had said. He got up early the next morning and built an altar at the foot of the mountain and set up twelve stone pillars representing the twelve tribes of Israel. 5 Then he sent young Israelite men, and they offered burnt offerings and sacrificed young bulls as fellowship offerings to the LORD.
6 Moses took half of the blood and put it in bowls, and the other half he splashed against the altar. 7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it to the people. They responded, “We will do everything the LORD has said; we will obey.” 8 Moses then took the blood, sprinkled it on the people and said, “This is the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.”
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.
Everything in the Bible confirms Jesus blood atonement for our souls.
Leviticus 17
11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life (soul).
any one tell me who said in luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." it was jesus and this is what the quran says "And if you punish (your enemy, O you believers in the Oneness of Allah), then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, verily, it is better for As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.). " so which one carries peace????
@QuiteNot bro if you want to know what parable means look up the dictionary! and also what your whole bible writes is false n not from god. also look up what contradiction means??because the whole bible is against the ones of god. and all it talks about is how a god got killed by the people he created?
tell me was ur "lord" pleased what they did to him? if yes then bless be to them cus they've achieved his pleasure but if not then it means he's power was subjugated. also look up what god is?
i don't know everything, havent read the bible all myself yet. but what iread shows god was in the air, while the son was on earth and the spirit was in him. shows that god is in three persons in three places at the same time.
So god is unity of fhree persons. Daniel 7 says the world will worship the son, he is the only way to god.
@QuiteNot bro i know your bible up side down. and those are the questions that i have. can u answer it yes or no??? if no then i dont want to waste my time, cus i've been talking to christians for years. bro in john 17:3 it says "this is eternal that they know thee the only true god and jesus christ whom thou has sent" n bro this is what we muslims trying to tell you for the last 14 centuries. but u guys are too ignorant n even dislike the ones of god in ur bible.
@QuiteNot bro do u know what ur bible said about those who has taken gods beside the almighty god.??? it reads in roman chapter 1 "22: professing themselves to be wise they became fools, 23: and changed the glory of the incorruptible god into an image, made like to corruptible man..." n that is the case of the christians today. n they said god has the image of men. he eats n digest like us. n he got killed by his creatures. etc N DO U KNOW WHAT COMES AFTER THOSE VERSES??? IT SAYS THAT.....
@QuiteNot ...it says that " AND FURTHER AND CHANGED THE GLORY OF THE TRUTH OF GOD INTO LIE AND WORSHIP AND SERVE THE CREATURE MORE THAN THE CREATOR." LOL who does that today?? muslims or christians??? and more over it says as punishment he made your men to go to men and your women to go to women(lesbians,gays etc) n how many times in ur bible that jesus says "..you shall worship the LORD YOUR GOD and him only shall you serve" mathew 4:10/luke 4:8 ? n didnt he said that his lord n theirs is god.
@islam6429 But u fail to understand the bible's message. Have u read it all ? All 66 books would take you about a year to read. Many parts of the bible are disputed, because the bible requires wisdom to understand.
Which u clearly do not have. Satan tried to trick Jesus into sinning by doing what ? do you know ? quoting the bible verses that agree with him, and not the other verses to put the true teachings into context.
Even the disbelievers in the gospel stories say how can u a man, be God
What did Jesus say back to people who said are you claiming to be God ? He did not deny it. Same with the disciples of Jesus namely Thomas said quite clearly called Jesus my, lord and my God. What did Jesus say to this 'so called' blasphemy of the highest order ? He said blessed are you, this has been revealed to you. So God must reveal the Bible to you. But only his chosen ones.
Jesus confused many with his sayings, he said I speak this way so wisdom is hidden from disingenuous.
sorry I meant...from the disingenuous. Only people who seek the real meaning of the bible will find. Seek and u will find. By the way, i study comparative religion as a hobby.
Did you read Exodus 24 and Leviticus 17 ? They completely agree with the theology of Christianity and not Islam. So the New Testament of Jesus is in agreement with the theology of Judaism.
In fact Islam is the only religion that tries to say it's part of the same message of another religion yet contradicts it. Very peculiar....some might say evil. All real prophets confirmed the previous messengers. And we know that the old testament that we have was trusted by Jesus.
@QuiteNot sorry pal if i didnt understand the way u wanted.lols. bro there isn't any where in your bible where it writes jesus to have said he's god? but rather it tells that jesus said "my god my god, why hast thou forsaken me?" matt..27:46 that's him proving that he has god! n this "why do you call me good? no one is good but god alone" mark 10:18 proves how he did not claim the role of god. and in matthew he say i didnt not come here to destroy the law before me. meaning the ones of god...
@islam6429 You say Jesus didn't say he is God. But what about the names of God ? Jesus said he is I AM (meaning YHWH (God the one and only) the eternal), Truth, the guide (way), Life (the author and source of all life), Resurrection, the bread of life, the true vine, etc...
Isn't this enough ? What can I say God is one mysterious fellow...he confounds the wisdom of the 'so called' wise. Why didn't Jesus deny he was God when asked, why did he say blessed are you instead ?
@QuiteNot first of all my friend. the letters yhwh are called Grammar-texture and during the time of the jews who ever said it would be put to death or sever punishment. n that was the law. n its mentioned in ur old testoment. when the jews asked moses(p) to ask god what is his name. n moses goes and ask god n god says i am what i am. meaning tell them i am what i am.(god). well if that's the case then in mathew it tells that people asked a man "are you the follower of jesus christ) ......
@QuiteNot (cont) ...and he says "I AM" n of course they were speaking hebrew. so he would say he is god???
and plus when the man says "o good master how do i have eternal life?" n dont u think that this is a good time that jesus tells him that he has to die n worship him as god??? no, but he said first of all "dont call me good there is no good but god" n then he furthermore tells the man who to have an eternal life tells him the 10 comandments "there is no god but god almighty......"
@QuiteNot (cont)..also he never said WHY?? but simply said dont call me good there is no good but god. so bro what destroyed the nations before u was inovation, n that's exactly what u r doing. your bible condradicts the ones of god almighty n jesus(p)'s teachings n if u want to have eternal life then why dont u worship the one he told u to worship? like i said u have taken your rabies,priests as gods beside allah because u follow what they tell you. lolz i was expecting some one who believes..
@QuiteNot ...who believes his bible but u r a person who is against what ur bible told.? like not to worship any god beside god. n that there is no gods beside in the heavens and on earth etc
also my point is that if jesus is god and the one he is calling upon saying my god my god. wailing when he was on the cross. then you have 2 gods plus the sprit who is also "god". which is three gods. which makes you a polytheists n ur own bible is against that. agreed.
@islam6429 I don't understand you. Could you say what you mean a little clearer please.
The last comment I understood, God is one, but three persons, all of them make up the same God. That's why they coined the phrase trinity, God in the Bible is a Tri-unity of persons. That is why Jesus says the Father, the Spirit, the Son with the word God interchangeably. God's name is called YHWH (I am what I am, in english), Jesus used God's name for himself. The Jews tried to stone him for blasphemy
@QuiteNot my friend if you didn't get anything you can always re-read my comments. and believe it was crystal clear the comment i even wrote it in CAPITAL LETTERS. and i asked you to answer it.
bro try saying 1=3 in ur math class. i swear your math teacher is gona give you a big F. also in the debate the sheikh mentions a verse which jesus said in john " oh my father be in me and me in you and them(12 disciples) in me and me in them so that we may become one" n in another verse he says.....
@islam6429 Yes, I agree 1+1+1 does not equal 1. But we are not talking about the psychical world we are talking about God.....God could be anything outside of our laws in the universe. Think about that.
And let's not start too many topics. It gets confusing.
@QuiteNot bro you really dont want me to logic you about the ones of god. ones of god means no partner,no son, no family,no other gods, no female mate/companions etc when god almighty created us he didn't left us with out of guidance and without a reason. but he sent us messengers with books which there is guidance in it. and who ever follows it has suceeded and god almighty will say to them "(To the righteous soul will be said:) "O (thou) soul, in (complete) rest and satisfaction!".....
@islam6429 God is one, but three persons in the Bible in both testaments, God shows himself to all the prophets. Just like Jesus did. The Bible says without blood, no forgiveness. So did the other 'real' prophets. Consistency is one thing in finding truth.
The oneness of God in the Trinity has to be understood the way it says, it means you have to be open to other points of view. If you think well that's not one God, etc.. you will never understand.
God is someone who is without fault, he has no sin in him according to the Bible. So in other words a perfectly natured person.
The Father, Son and Spirit have this nature which is incorruptible. In the book of Isaiah 53 it says the Son will suffer, but will see the light and be glad he suffered. In Daniel 7 it says the Son has the right to be worshiped as God, as he will be worshiped by the world, people of all nations. God revelation doesn't stop...any person can receive a vision of God's.
Jesus was called the word because he was God's word in action. A perfectly natured person who lived in accordance with the law's of God his whole life, the living word of God. That is why the disciples wrote about what Jesus did because this is the example to live by.
No other prophet was an example because these people were just men who sin every day. And could never be an example to God's people. All prophets sinned, very badly in some cases but who hasn't. See Islam's message contradicts....
Moses saw God (his back, his hands), the elders of Israel saw God (Exodus 24), Jacob saw God, Abraham saw God, etc....so when Jesus showed himself to the people they saw God too, and shouldn't have been surprised. God's revelation became fulfilled when Jesus fulfilled the Biblical prophecies. He gave meaning to many of the mysteries of the Bible. The bread of life , Moses staff, freedom from slavery in Egypt, etc...
@QuiteNot bro we musims believe that jesus(p) was a word that was bestowed on mary. and we believe that he performed all those miracles in the name of god.and so on. since you said "why christians are called polythiest when they believe in one god" sorry bro 3 doesnt mean 1. in ur bible god says i am the lord there is no savior or any other gods beside me in Isaiah 45:5 and he also says "i am the first and i am the last; besides me there is no god" isaiah 44:6 so do you EVEN BELIEVE YOUR BIBLE
@QuiteNot also he says "you shall have no other gods before me. you shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath,...." so tell me then when god says that in ur bible why do you take jesus as god beside god almighty? or the spirit as god beside god almighty????
allah has clarified in the quran "1:Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2:Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3:He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; ......
@islam6429 Doesn't seem like your mature enough....yet to understand. It took me a while to understand too.
The only way to make the whole Bible coherent is if you understand Jesus was God (the savior), God's Holy Spirit and the Father is God.
Isaiah 53, Micah 2, Leviticus 17, Exodus 24, Daniel 7 all confirm that the Son is God, he will suffer for mankind's sins, God can exist in his creation, it's the 'only' way the Bible makes complete sense. Haven't even read it have you....
Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
See the old testament agrees with the new testament.
@QuiteNot lolz. i am immature to understand the words of god???? bro you dont even have the knowledge of a kid. a kid understand 3 doesnt equal to 1. bro i'm not gona logic you how is not three but one. bro what you have is ignorant that the fact that god is one in your bible while you believe the oposite that there are three gods. bro never did jesus said worship me? or i am god? etc he's life and his teachings were to worship the god that sent him. so do you deny that???
@islam6429 I have always said one God...so what you talking about ? See your not allowing yourself to think outside the box. the Bible actually challenges you to change your thinking....I already explained it's not that simple....All three are called God (YHWH). The same God. God could of course exist like this. He is God. Your arguments are childish.
Jesus wouldn't say worship me because he was a man on earth...but as spirit Jesus never corrected anyone who worshiped him.
Also your not acknowledging my points that Leviticus 17 disagrees with the Quran. It contradicts it's teachings....but you seem to have no problem with that. Also Exodus 24 disagrees with the Islamic notion that God cannot be inside his creation. But the Bible says otherwise. You do not know how to debate only deceive yourself and others. Don't you believe in prophecy ? You say you believe in the God of the Bible but not his word ? This is the whole problem with Islam, it's self refuting.
See almost everything taught in the Bible contradicts the Quran: Not little things either, big things like the nature of God (Trinity), about God existing inside creation.
Jesus taught that religion and state should be separate. Quran is complete opposite.
Jesus taught non-violence, love for enemies. Quran taught retaliation.
Jesus taught no more religious punishments, let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Quran again teaches the opposite. No muslim argument makes sense.
Isaha 53 says, that the Messiah will be killed for our wickedness, by his punishments we are healed.
He will die and come back to life after suffering.
This again confirms the New Testament and contradicts the Quran. The only argument you have is that God didn't protect the Bible but....is now going to make an effort and protect the Quran. But this cannot be true since both testaments agree so completely. And that muslim argument makes God sound stupid.
It's more likely that the Quran is completely false and muhammad/muslims didn't understand the word of God, just like today. So made up a completely different religion (a combination of Judaic beliefs, Pagan rituals) and called the previous one corrupt but still from the same God.
@QuiteNot tell me this? its simple, n dont overload like a robot. when god said in the bible i am god there is no other gods beside me and that he is one. tell me why do you say that god is three when he described himself as one????? does trinity even the word it self mentioned in the bible. so simple. what i want to knwo is why do u say god is three n jesus n the spirit are gods with him when he says i am the only god n there is no god in the heaven n on earth?? doesnt that include jesus...
@islam6429 There is no other God's besides YHWH. And all three are YHWH, they somehow make up one God. Don't try to understand it, no one can. Like I said God's universe is a little different to ours. All that Christians have to know is that when you pray all 3 are included. Trinity is not a word used in the Bible. But the concept is clearly taught. You just pray to God in the name of the Son of God.
@QuiteNot bro with all do respect dont get to other mambo jumbo. i asked you simple questions. when god almighty described himself as one why do you say that he is three???what i want to know is why do u say god is three n jesus n the spirit are gods with him when he says i am the only god n there is no god in the heaven n on earth?? and that other thing i said was.....
@QuiteNot ....and tell me why is ur believe that jesus died for ur sins? when jesus said the father will not be held the iniquity of the son and nor the son will be held by the iniquity of the father?? n if he "supost" to be crucified WILLINGLY. why did he wailed to god saying let this cup(death) turn away if posible n the time he was on the cross and saying oh my god my god why have you forsaken me. etc
if u dont have an answer to that. my friend don't waste my time
@islam6429 man, muslims are just stupid. I give up on trying to teach them. You have your religion I have mine sound good. It's always a waste of time to teach someone who doesn't want to be taught. Bye, it's been frustrating.
@QuiteNot ahhh. are we stupid for asking you that when god said that he is one and no other god are beside him why do you say that there are 2 to 3 gods with him???? bro this is from your pockets n we muslims believe the god of abraham,moses,jesus, muhammed and all the prophets that was before them. n they worshiped one god with out partners n if u want to follow their way then stop associating partners with god n worship him alone. n that is all i was trying to teach u. see no confusion. peace.
@islam6429 i already told you what christians believe in many different ways. i am just repeating myself.
Only met about 3 alright muslims on youtube out of many, who can actually understand. Most muslims cannot see and appreciate other faiths. Islam seems to breed intolerance.
How many times do I have to say, Jesus said he was God, obviously God's Holy Spirit is God, and the Father is clearly God in the Bible. It's a fact. How this works no one knows, but they are the same God (YHWH). Remember no beginning and no end. They simply are and always will be.
@QuiteNot bro get you facts straight. because we muslims accept everything with strong acceptions and dont come to me with exaggeration n you come to me with naked words. gimmy evidence of how god almighty is not one but three. because god even pointed out that he is one and only one. n that there are no other gods. bro if you say that god is one and that none has to be worshiped but him. then we are with you. but......
@QuiteNot but if you say that god is Triune then you belong to the category of the pagans n not monotheism. because there was mithra at the time of jesus(P) mithra n solunviticus and saturnilius. which mithra is the son of god and the lamb of god and by believing his death all your sins are forgiven. n u have many more. like horus,osiris isis which began 2nd millennium B.C.E and many more. so what you christians are preaching is similar to those. n its not what the prophets came with.!! simple.
@islam6429 Mithra was a mystery cult....meaning no one knows what they believed. Where did you get this crap from youtube ?
If Jesus said he is YHWH which he did. Then you have to accept that God could be triune and yet one and the same God. This is not pagan and does not contradict that God is one. And no else but him. Like I said one is one plural, not singular in the bible. Why did the authors of the Bible not use the singular one if he was one, why use the plural one ?
I have disproved all your assertions about the bible, which shows you do not understand it. I don't want to sound nasty, rude or a know it all. Just being honest, this journey is a deeply personal one I realise. And to look at your understanding of the Bbile and question it is a daunting task. But well worth it ; )
According to the bible truth is what sets man's heart free. So if you feel anxious about following the qurans laws. It cannot be truth.
When you hear the truth it can only make you feel good. Jesus spoke a series of moral truths throughout his ministry, how do you find the truth, find little truths, that lead to big realisations, such as being truthful about who you are, admitting your faults, are freeing...beliefs are constricting but truth is freeing.
Notice Christians do not have rigged rules, they believe everyone is flawed, meaning we are not holy and never can be.
So Christians don't pretend to be good, like muslims, they be themselves and trust in God. The Bible is a guide for the conscience, so God will guide us how he wills, towards being more holy, but we can never be perfect. Jesus said if you want to be good and holy, then have no hatred for someone, no lustful thoughts in yourselves, no one can do this obviously. Which is a truth.
So if God is Holy and we are not Holy. Then how do you go to heaven with a Holy God who cannot be in the presence of sin ?
You need eternal forgiveness....for all your past and future sins. In the Bible all sins had to be paid for in full by the prophets and people, God made everyone suffer for every sin, depending on it's severity. To show people how much he detests it and show who it effects when you do.
Jesus said that lusting after someone else in your heart is committing the act of adultery to God. What is the penalty for adultery ? Stoning I believe.
Should we stone people who look lustfully at other men/woman, who decides what is lust ? Jesus answered this perfectly, whoever has no sin let him cast the first stone. Meaning everyone sins, so who can judge rightfully, who knows the heart, only God, so Christians leave all punishments for God on judgment day. This is a truth.
Having the desire to punish someone because of religion is inspiring hatred. So not having the desire to judge others is a good thing.
The idea is that we let God's love rub off on us. The Bible makes us feel more compassionate towards others. Not more judgmental less judgmental, not more hatred but lesser and even lesser anger. Less focused on what others think and more of letting your spirit be itself. So not accepting everything, but testing it first and making an informed decision.
My main concern with Islam is that muslims seem to follow all the laws and beliefs without question, the spirit of Islam is not questioning, it is just acceptance and blindly following. not all muslims of course cause everyone is different but it seems to be the overwhelming spirit of Islam, if you know what I mean ; )
This is why muslims follow and believe all sorts of crazy stuff and it's very hard to correct them, because they have such hubris, it's pure arrogance.
@QuiteNot my friend you even deny mithra who was worshiped by the greek pagans??? there is even documentry if u only search it.? what about horus and the ones that was worshiped by the egyptians??? also my friend what you need is god not his slave? the christians' idiology is ugly and illogical which can't be taken. you tell me that god is three with three different characters n three different stutus. n u dont want to admit that is polythism but u say its monothiest. n ur bible tells.....
@islam6429 How can you say Christianity is illogical when I have showed you beyond doubt that you don't understand it ?
You need to understand the 'whole' Bible before you make a proper judgment, that is the old and new testaments. Jesus confronted the same problem with people who didn't believe who he was. He said to the Jews who didn't believe he was God's Son that they belong to their father the devil. He also said if you don't believe who I am, you will die in your sins.
That means no forgiveness of sins, without believing in Jesus. A reasonable person would think, why didn't he say God. Why would a prophet say you must believe in 'me' otherwise you will die in your sins ? Why would a prophet say believe in me, unless he is God. You have to think when you read the Bible.
And why did Jesus allow people to worship him (he didn't say anything to stop them) and by simply believing in him they were healed ? Jesus also kept saying I am from above you are from below.
He also said I came from God. I came from heaven. I will be with you always. Jesus always spoke that God the Father is with him in everything he does, he speaks his words. Now compare muhammad, he didn't speak to God but an angel. But all the prophets from the Bible met and spoke with God and they relayed his message directly. See no argument you say makes any sense. Mine always do. Because I only speak what I know to be the truth.
You do not abide in the truth. As you say Ezekiel 23 this is straight from the debaters and are not your own thoughts. It says clearly that this is a prophecy.
Ezekiel 23:4...... Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.
Now you also mention the prophets and the holy land. Men are sinners they sinned. This shows the Bible is not trying to lie to you it's very honest, they did wrong sometimes like we all do.That's all i'll say on the matter.
The Holy Land is heaven on earth, so it had to made Holy just like heaven. Even the Temple was made to mimic the one in heaven. This was God's will, not ours.
And just like that you brush aside the truth, that Jesus said that punishments are hypocritical for men to do. Yet the quran says to amputate limbs and kill people for sins they commit. How can we punish sins when sins are in your heart ? only God can punish sins.
@QuiteNot what the heck?? now u jump from the context to some other rubish??? bro i get it that the whole concept of christianity if to believe that god died for your sins? even though jesus said in ur bible that the father will not bear the iniquity of the child nor the child. n that he also said i didnt come to destroy the law before me but to fulfill it jot by jot and dot by dot. which we know from the law that by acting upon what god has prescribed for you is how you achieve his mercy and...
@QuiteNot ....and the eternal life. which christians today(a pagan concept which was grafted) dont even believe. bro i know. BRO STICK TO THE TOPIC. also my friend the prophet went up to the heavens during mi'raj when he was elevated then there was accompanying angel gabriel until the angel said this is a the point where i can't cross then the prophet(P) went up to the seven heaven n god talked to him and prescribed the 5 daily prayers.
@islam6429 Christianity has pagan concepts, common man Islam is completely pagan, all the rituals were part of pagan practice even your own texts confirm this.
Use facts instead of wild speculation like your debaters.
And the facts show that God was seen (he showed visions of himself, Christians do not worship an image only God in the spirit) in the old testament and in the new testament. it's consistent. You have no valid arguments, none.
The point i'm making is that it's really clear Jesus said he was God. He forgave sins, he said he came from heaven, no man comes from heaven, from God, God from God, light from light.
I have already answered your questions, yet you do not understand over and over again.....you quote from the king james version for ezekiel 23, this is a very bad translation by experts in biblical scholarship. No other translation describes it llike this, it is a prophecy in typical biblical prophecy language.meh
....No vaid arguments, none. You sink low enough to use your own quranic standards to understand biblical passages....no one came from heaven according to the bible. No one went to the heavens. Heaven is for God alone and the angels, only Holy creatures can enter into the presence of God.
So according to biblical understanding Jesus was saying he is God. There is no other way of understanding the entire bible without this admission.
See the quran is a completely differnet faith to the one Jesus and the prophets taught. It was copied from the pagans of the time. Who has ever heard of a prophet (Mo) that can't get anything right ?
I have tried to show you that the Bible is consistent. And so many key beliefs are different compared to the quran. e.g Jesus said all food is clean, yet muhammad said it's not. God cannot be seen in creation, yet I have showed you the Bible says otherwise....so he (Mo) is not a true prophet.
What do you have to prove muhammad was a true prophet ? He was a nice guy ? That is not evidence, that sounds like a cults explanation.
Muhammad didn't even know the bible (as i have showed), that is why he had to say it was corrupt. Islam is pagan rituals like circling the kabaa as muhammad used to do as a child as part of pagan practices, the sacred month of no fighting....with monotheism copied from jews and christians. That's about it.
@QuiteNot ...3Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire. 4.It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:" chap 53. bro even the jews at madina new that muhamed(P) was prophet n they were even awaiting him. n used to say to the arabs of ansar while boasting that when the prophet comes that all the arab lands etc will be on their hands but when he came they disbelieved while knowing that he was a prophet because he was not decendant from isaac(p) but from ishmael(P).
@islam6429 As I showed muhammad is not a true prophet. He did bring a different religion. It's a fact.
Jesus taught that God will be in you to save you personally, Jesus will send him from the Father, the same God, God from God, light from light. He said no good deeds will save you. I am dying for our sins. If you don't believe in me you die in your sins. See Jesus taught everything different to muhammad.
@QuiteNot you have proved me what???? please quote your own words one the comment page? all u said was that muhamed(p) is a nice guy n that doesnt mean that he's a prophet. but i explained in a great details what makes him a prophet(p) one of the things that i said was that all prophets came with a sign proving that they r messengers from god but the time they're gone that miracle went with them but this prophet(P) had their miracles n a miracle which will last untill the day of judgment(quran
You seriously say "and god tells in the quran how he created the universe and how it was originated from smoke n hot gas" and think anyone with even a modicum of an education would find that an informed and respectable explanation? COME ON! That's the sort of thing a satirist would say. As I said, Islam relies on great ignorance and is the product of it.
ritchloui 9 months ago
@ritchloui bro prophet muhamed(P) havent brought a new religion but the religion that was practiced by the propehts and messengers and their nations, is what we practice today. also repeat what you said? that the whole universe being originated from a dust could be guesed??? or that there is a barier between the two seas(salt n river)??? or the embryo n how a baby is formed step by step in the womb?? you are either insane or arogant. so dont come to me with nake words prove that...
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 all so called prophecies in the quran are vague non sense reinterpreted to match science. These verses have been reinterpreted so many times that they have lost all meaning.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
@ritchloui dont come to me with naked words prove to me the things that he said which was wrong?? if no then bro with all do respect dont give us you're attribute cus your the one who has ignorance about the truth.
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 The whole point about mystical garbage is that it is neither true nor false, it is unverifiable nonsense. I’ve even heard idiots say that because Mohammed said the sun and moon were ‘lamps’ he therefore knew they were inanimate objects, therefore he had great understanding. You keep using the word ‘truth’. Tell me one thing that Mohammed said that was true and I will show you how it is either uninformative, unverifiable or simply banal.
ritchloui 9 months ago
@ritchloui why would some "idiots" tell you that the prophet said the moon and sun are lamps etc? for what point? tssk. tell me he had great understanding of it what? that the moon and the sun orbit like mentioned in the quran "It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course."21:33 since u said that islam relies on ignorance blahb... lets see
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 everyone knew about orbits about 1500 years before muhammad....by 500 B.C the greeks knew the circumference of the earth...
QuiteNot 9 months ago
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@ritchloui ...tell me 15 centuries ago how did the prophet come about this verse "Thou seest the mountains and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they pass like the passing of the clouds: (such is) the artistry of God, who disposes of all things in perfect order: for he is well acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 27:88)" that the mountains are not still but that they move? and 2. how could he tell what happens in the womb and how the baby is formed in the womb when.....
islam6429 9 months ago
@ritchloui ...when people today who were more educated than him or may i say who could write and read only found today with technology. n the verse is "Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!"23:14 and this next verse tells how it goes into 3 stages.........
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 that's stupid it's not the sperm that creates like a clot but the sperm and egg....
QuiteNot 9 months ago
@ritchloui ....."..........He creates you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation, within three darknesses. That is Allah , your Lord; to Him belongs dominion. There is no deity except Him, so how are you averted?"39:6 so tell me, was it some one that discovered all of that before him n he then copied them? if you say that he guessed your messed up. n bro i'm not gona logic you about how that is imposible to discovered at that age.
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 I tell you this so you can understand; I love His creation and, with all due respect, I seek understanding of it. I bow down to no ideology. Anything, including religion, is to be questioned. I have NO respect for any religion that discourages a broad mind, an open heart and a questioning soul. Christianity and Islam are fraudulent as far as they tolerate no opposition. I oppose them.
ritchloui 9 months ago
@ritchloui tssssk. you challenge me n then u run! i totaly understand. i'm a guy who understands your situation. cus you got nothing to lean on n you know that what i'm telling u from the quran is truth. n u know that there is no way that a guy who is like prophet muhamed(p) could bring this book even if he more knowledgable than those who has masters today. n if u want to chase your desires in the world like how dog chases his tail n never catches it, then be it. but if u want to do....
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 You really have to read more. It's like trying to talk to someone about colours when they are colour blind. The Ancient Greeks produced books and plays that are still read and enjoyed today for their insight into the human condition. It's as simple as that. Check out the photos from the Hubble telescope, find out about the genome project, find out about the periodic table. There's so much that is freely available. You have chosen ignorance and superstition. Broaden your learning!
ritchloui 9 months ago
@ritchloui bro lets not play peek a boo cus we know that ur gona open ur eyes sometime soon. n there will be the truth that ur hiding from n my friend i'm still waiting the answer n if u got none then i dont do chit chat. also if you want to see the beuty of the quran then learn arabic n read the words of god the way it is originally was revealed to us. then u'll see what makes an older people weep n laugh at the same time. also science is just discovery of what the quran says. so......
islam6429 9 months ago
@ritchloui ...so that is the most broad that you can ever reach. n mate dont give me your attripute cus the state ur in is what u call ignorance n i'm trying to educate you, but ur busy playing dumb dumb.
also if u get involve with the arabic language you'll know that the quran is the most and the best of the arabic n authors, poets n writers quote the quran in their master piece n i can't help you realize that if your ignorant.
peace
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 The reason Arab authors quote the Koran is that it was shoved down their throats from birth and, of course, it helps further their career. Sorry mate, but the rest of humanity has managed to move on into the 21st century. If you prefer to stick to the grim ideology of an ignorant and barbaric warlord from the 7th century, more fool you. But, of course you'll use your computer (no Islamic contribution whatsoever to the knowledge and technology there) and your mobile, your car. etc.
ritchloui 9 months ago
@ritchloui never met an arogant n yet ignorant person like you. bro all the words your typing doesn't make sence, it seems to me that your a person expressing emotions n feelings. my friend your ignorant about the facts the muslims are the ones that brought this '21st century' look spain the architecture they left n u hear like the type of water clock that came into existance during 1335 in millan,italy but it was in use in spain and was made by a spanish muslim in 9th century according to...
islam6429 9 months ago
@ritchloui ...according to will durant. and same goes the class miror that was produced in 1291 in vinice but in fact when the Venetians learned of the art of fine glass production from Syrian artisans during the 9th and 10th centuries. and many more but u dont see that n u exaggerate blahblahblah.
this is what the noble quran says "“And servants of (Allah) the Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, Peace"25:63
islam6429 9 months ago
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@islam6429 Saudi Arabia, madhouse. Pakistan, madhouse, Afghanistan, madhouse, Indonesia, madhouse, Sudan, madhouse, Eritrea, madhouse, Somalia, madhouse, Bangladesh, madhouse, the whole of the Middle East, madhouse. What is the ONE thing that links them all?
ritchloui 9 months ago
@islam6429 One of the points I keep constantly making. The ONLY progress that Islam claims for itself is from the civilisations that were ALREADY advanced when they were invaded. Islam exploited what it could, destroyed what it was threatened by and guess what? Progress ended 1,000 years ago. Despite such a huge head start, these civilisations fell silent under the Islamic jackboot and have suffered tyranny ever since. Islam has NOTHING to be proud of; its ignorant clerics create hell for all.
ritchloui 9 months ago
@ritchloui yeh i talked about this before they were claiming that muslims did all this scientific discoveries, but actually when looking a little more found out these scientists had muslim names and lived in islamic states but clearly didn't believe in allah or muhammad. It says in their books, 'that I don't in muhammad's claim of prophethood nor believe in their god', etc...
So these seem to be false claims made by ignorant muslims. Muslims spend so much time reading the quran they seem to..
QuiteNot 8 months ago
...be very narrow minded and have little knowedlge of anything else.
they all seem to love punishing people for their crimes though.... ; )
QuiteNot 8 months ago
@islam6429 More books have been translated into Spanish (let alone English) in the last year than into Arabic in 1,400 years. That's the level of ignorance I'm talking about. Tell you what, suggest some Arab music and poetry or stories (translated obviously) and I'd love to follow it up. Especially the music.
ritchloui 9 months ago
@ritchloui ...but if u want to do something better with your life. th3n islam is the place where u want to be. n believe me god says in the quran that he created mankind with its nature that he knows that there is a higher being above the heavens. n u can't deny that cus u feel that there is a higher being up there. islam is that u keep the right of ur lord n his creatures. simple is that. n if u r running off from it because u hear that indivitual people killed people under the name of islam...
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 Sorry mate. I'm way ahead of you. I've had a go at reading the iQuran. It was simply dull, dull, dull. A witless, humourless diatribe about believers and unbelievers. The language is deliberately obscure and open to many interpretations; people can find anything they want. It's not poetic, nor beautiful nor even profound. I'm sorry for people who have been so damaged by its threats and vacant claims. Many are too afraid to learn anything lest they stray from 'belief'. It's sad.
ritchloui 9 months ago
@ritchloui bro i'm the kinda of guy who takes everything with strong acception, so instead of exaggerating about the quran, tell me where you found such things that ur uttering. also in a nutshell if u said that the noble quran is exaggerated then my question that i asked you earlier awaits u of how the prophet described the way allah shapes the baby in the womb ...............
islam6429 9 months ago
@ritchloui ..13:Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; 14:Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump.." in chapt 23 n it says in another verse "He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. such is Allah, your Lord and Cherisher: to Him belongs (all) dominion.There is no god but He: then how are ye turned away (from your true Centre)?" 39:6 so do tell
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 That 'information' was a rehash of far better knowledge that was already well established in Ancient Greece. Miscarriages were, and still are, common especially in the first three months. So even a layman would know what the early stages of pregnancy involved. Then of course are the obligatory repetition of the old mantra about the make-believe and threats. Not profound, not informative and not very interesting.
ritchloui 9 months ago
@ritchloui .....then that is ur choice. cus what couple people did is not blamed for a whole belief n billions of people in the world. n islam we worship none but the one who created everything not a tree or grave or cross none of that. but i leave u with this verse from the quran n i hope it helps you. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks....
islam6429 9 months ago
@ritchloui ..."... And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.257:Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever)." in chapt 2 so bro what the messengers came with is to warn us n give glad tidings to those who believe.
peace
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 Yup. A perfect example of the vacant, fraudulent and meaningless threats and flowery language. Anyone can come up with crap like that, no studying, no learning, no knowledge, no truth. "and the Lord shall smite down his enemies and throw them into the pit" "mercy be on the unbeliever for his path is away from God and his punishment awaits him" bla bla bla bla
ritchloui 9 months ago
Answer me this. Who ordered the destruction of the Library of Alexandria? Who ordered the destruction of the Library of Constantinople? Why was there NO engineering or scientific achievement in Arabia during the 'Golden Age'? Why was the progress in the advanced civilisations halted 1,000 years ago? Why are all the 100% Muslim countries the most backward and barbaric? We all know why. Ignorance is a sacrament in Islam and it shows.
ritchloui 9 months ago
Christians don't read their bible on their own, they only listen to their preachers. Acts 2:36 tells us that Jesus was MADE by GOD. Read:"Let all the house of Israel [not the world] therefore know for CERTAIN that God has MADE him both Lord and Christ." The Christians, as Paul put it:" exchanged the truth of God for the lie [trinity] , and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator [MAKER], who is blessed forever. (Romans 1:22-25). Very clear, certain English.
jamool2009 1 year ago
@jamool2009 Oh no i,m not a Christian. i don't follow the Abrahamic Religions at all. I am a tru believer in the Maat. The Gnostics knew the truth about the God of Abraham. ACTS7:22 Psalms84:11 Malachi4:2 Nehemiah8:6 & REV3:14. just a few verses.. i dont thump the socalled scriptures.
garychldress74 1 year ago
I know your are not blind. Arabs came to Africa trying to decieve the Africans with their religion. they wanted to take control of African Resuorces. Africans were inslaved for a 1,000 under the Muslim Arabs b4 the whiteman got involved. Islam has done nothing but destroyed Africa. Arabs call African ppl abids to this day. they still have African ppl as slaves. onething about the socalled Sub-Sahara Africans they never let the Arabs in the interior of Africa. Arabs will be tossed from Africa.
garychldress74 1 year ago
Both religions are wrong Amen Ra is God not Allah. under Islam Blacks were Abids(Slaves) . When we worshipped Ra we sat on the thrones in Cush,Nubia& Egypt the Arabs(semites) were under our feet. Now Blacks who follow the Abrahamic religions are at the bottom of society everywhere. we are the head that became the tail. Acts7:22 that Psalms84:11. REV3:14.
garychldress74 1 year ago
@garychldress74 Islam calls for freeing the slaves. One of the closest disciples of the prophet of Islam was a BLACK man (named: Beelal) who calls for prayer five times a day and he was bought by a Muslim from his master and let free. Slavery in time of Islam has nothing to do with color; it has to do with prisoners of wars and kidnapping of children. A rich black man can buy a white slave. It's the white Europeans who made the blacks an abject of slavery. An Arab is the one who speaks Arabic.
jamool2009 1 year ago
@jamool2009 Islam was introduced to Africa by the SWORD. those who didn't embrace Islam were called infadales. Yes there was Islamized Blacks who sold other Blacks especially the women into Slavery. The Sahara Slave Trade 1,000yrs B4 the Atlantic slave Trade. Arabs& Turks were very brutal toward the Africans & it was all under Islam. The White Semite is the Arab even though they are of mixed breed. Beelal was a Slave & Servant to the Prophet Muhommad.
garychldress74 1 year ago
@garychldress74 It's obvious that u are very ignorant by saying that "Islam was introduced to Africa by the SWORD. those who didn't embrace Islam were called infadales." Islam ruled Spain for 800 yrs and India for 1000 yrs, but both countries are NOT Muslim. Non-Muslim blacks sold blacks. By the way, there are TODAY non-Muslim blacks who are selling black men as slaves inside and outside Africa. It's unfair to compare Muslims to white Christians regarding the treatment of blacks.
jamool2009 1 year ago
@jamool2009 When the Moors were pushed out of spain they went in to Africa. The Moors destroyed African culture & institutions such as timbuktu. In Arab Muslim countries Blacks are not treated as Equals. here in the United States the Arabs own more Businesses in the Black community then the Black Muslims. The Arab is Screwing Blackwomen but don't want Black Muslims to touch Arab Muslim Women. Today African countries are coming together against the Arabs & islam.
garychldress74 1 year ago
We have a saying: the dog loves the one that beats it. It seems to me that you still love your white masters who segregated you even in churches. Muslims NEVER had segregated schools, bathrooms, restaurants or mosques. You are becoming like the Zionists who thrive on racism and hate against others and turn around and say: why the others hate us? You reap what you saw. Don't forget that recent conflicts in Sub-Sahara Africa proved that Africans are more barbaric against their even countrymen.
jamool2009 1 year ago
@jamool2009 Africans have internal problems like everyone else. Blacks are waking up about the Arabs. How could we let a desert ppl treat us like this. these ppl came to Africa seeking refuge from the oppression that was going in the lands where they come from. Arabs have no respect for African Culture or Anyone else's Culture. Arabs will never control Africa. The African ppl are making that clear. the Zionist & Arabs both played Africans for their Resources. Africa 4 the Africans thats it.
garychldress74 1 year ago
@garychldress74 U said: "African countries are coming together against the Arabs & Islam." That''s because people like you are used by their White Masters in Zionist USA and Europe to do their dirty colonial works. But, FREE African people know who is their enemy. The Arabs and Islam will be the dominant force in Africa especially after getting rid of Western puppet regimes.
jamool2009 1 year ago
@garychldress74 U are a liar by saying:"Beelal was a Slave & Servant to the Prophet Muhommad". Where did find that info? Whenever a Muslim mentions his name, he says: "our MASTER Beelal". Tell me where in history a black man is called master by non-blacks? It seems to me that u are BOUGHT by your white master MISSIONARIES. Do u have an African name or Gary? Why didn't you keep your "African culture"? Why are becoming a westerner in appearance and deeds?
jamool2009 1 year ago
It's a shame that the video is so heavily edited. When the Rev. was speaking about Joshua. It took all power and meaning out of what he was quoting.
He was proving that God appeared in bodily form to many prophets including, Abraham, Joshua, Moses, Jacob, etc.... It shows that the New Testament is consistent with the Old Testament. That God the Son came to earth in bodily form should be of no surprise to anyone. Because God is a personal God who can exist in his creation to guide us.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
The Old Testament tells us that Jesus will come to earth and has to be worshiped for he is God.
Daniel 7
13 "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one...
QuiteNot 1 year ago
....that will never be destroyed.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
@QuiteNot First, the OT NEVER mentioned Jesus by name; it talks about a human hero (son of man) to liberate the Jews from their enemies NOT their sins as claim. The people of the OT believed in their LORD GOD (Yahweh) but did NOT believe Jesus even as a prophet. Second, your DREAMER Daniel in 7:14 says "He was given authority, glory and sovereign power". Very simple question: How can God be given authority and sovereign power? Who gives authority to God Almighty? God is sovereign. Wake up.
jamool2009 1 year ago
@jamool2009 I don't know if it's meant to be taken literally. more like showing complete equality with God the Father (Ancient of days). No one else fits the prophecy now does it, who else is the Son of Man that is worshiped by the world ?
QuiteNot 1 year ago
@jamool2009 Also that verse means that Jesus is the one who you ask for forgiveness, as Jesus said no one comes to the father except through me. Every other person is a liar and a thief. No other way, but to recognise the Son of God. He is the only one who has the power to save you.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
@QuiteNot Jesus said:"'Father, SAVE me from this hour'". Jesus asked God to be saved; he is a son of man= human who is in need of God. Jesus said: he does NOTHING on his own. Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because GOD was WITH Jesus. John 14:24 "the word you hear is NOT mine; it comes from the Father who SENT me." Mat 6:15 The FATHER forgives your sins.
jamool2009 1 year ago
@QuiteNot ur preachers didn't tell u these verses. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. John 6:65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him. John 17:6 "I have given knowledge of Your Name to the men whom You GAVE me out of the world: yours they were, and You GAVE them to me," It's GOD the Father Who decides NOT Jesus who said in John 8:28:"I do NOTHING on my own but speak just what the FATHER has taught me." It's plain English.
jamool2009 1 year ago
@jamool2009 You twist the words to suit your agenda. Just let them speak for themselves. You didn't answer my question, who is the son of man (came as a human being with the same limitations as any of us) that has a kingdom that will never be destroyed, who is worshiped by the world ?
QuiteNot 1 year ago
@QuiteNot My agenda is Jesus' agenda. U are lying against God and Jesus. I told u what Jesus said about himself. U are the one who is twisting. I know no one who "has a kingdom that will never be destroyed". Many sons of men were worshiped in history. Fore example, Roman emperors were called son of god or god and they were worshiped. I will not worship any man that has the SAME limitations as me and you. Tell me the disciples who said we worshiped Jesus. Read my comment above.
jamool2009 1 year ago
@jamool2009 Well if you are going to look at all the verses like you said you should...it clearly says the Son of Man is the one owns the Kindgom of heaven, he is the only way to be saved, he is the only one who fits the prophecy, who is worshiped by the world.
Muslims just don't seem to understand the bible, that is why you cannot make all of jesus words make sense. Christianity teaches that Jesus was a man on earth but he had God's spirit inside of him, his soul.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
God put his spirit inside mary, God from God, spirit from spirit. So since Jesus was fully human while on earth, yet fully God in Spirit. Jesus had to pray to God the Father just like anyone else. But also Jesus clearly said wherever two or three gather I will be there with you, this shows that Jesus is fully Spirit normally, he will guide you even after his mortal flesh dies. Only God can do this, only God is omnipresent. Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father (God the Father).
QuiteNot 1 year ago
So why did Jesus say seeing me is seeing the Father, for no one can see God and live. All the prophets saw God and yet lived too....Moses knew God after meeting with him his face lit up with light. The Elders of Israel saw God too and ate and drank with him (Exodus 24). So what does this mean ?
It means that no one can see God, but only a representation of himself, so he can be known by us. So Jesus meant that he is equal with the Father, seeing Jesus is seeing God, he was God.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
Jesus also said he came from heaven, the only one to have come heaven. He is the bread from heaven, etc... he said I AM the true vine, life (which means he is eternal, only God could call himself life), truth (only God embodies all the attributes of truth, only God could call himself truth), the resurrection. He also said no greater love can a man show than to lay down his life for his friends. Jesus repeated this message I am going to be crucified because it is the Fathers will that I save you.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
@QuiteNot U are NOT supporting what u say by scriptures. Don't let them brain-wash you about the GENERAL expression, son of man which is another way of saying a human being or son of Adam. Here is ur son of man in Job 25:6: "How much less man, who is but a maggot— a son of man, who is only a WORM!" Son of man does NOT refer ONLY to Jesus, and there is no CAPITAL S in Aramaic. Ezekiel was called MANY times by God, son of man as in 2:3: "Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites..."
jamool2009 1 year ago
@jamool2009 I already said that....your avoiding the consequences. Who is the Son of Man (human) that has God's kingdom that will never be destroyed, all authority has been given to the Son, so saying God or Allah is not enough, only Jesus name is good enough. Who is worshiped by the world ? Everything i have said is supported by scripture I just paraphrased the verses. You would know that if you were really searching and knew what you were talking about.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
Did you read Exodus 24 even ?
QuiteNot 1 year ago
@QuiteNot u are NOT responding to the verses I quoted. u said:"Everything i have said is supported by scripture I just paraphrased the verses." Don't paraphrase, just tell me the verses. Paraphrasing=twisting. u quoted me only Daniel who was DREAMING! Jesus lasted ONLY less than 3 yrs; he did NOT have authority over his Jews; he did NOT liberate them from the Romans; he was powerless to achieve anything. Let me ask u a question: Whose name that was "good enough" for Noah's and Moses' people?
jamool2009 1 year ago
@jamool2009 not going to get into all that with you. it's too long and complicated....and paraphrased means the same thing as the quote just not 100% word for word. Just google search my paraphrased quotes or how about just reading the bible.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
Everything I have already answered (so since Jesus was fully human while on earth, yet fully God in Spirit.) but the bible in my experience requires you to continually correct your perspective to find the truth of the scripture. So if you have already made up your mind or do not have the intention to find out what the bible teaches open minded you cannot understand it. The Father must draw you in not me.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
Also Christianity is different to all other religions. Cause it's about God guiding you, about a relationship with him, God has done the work (on the cross, as he said no one good not one, forgive them they know not what they do) and you are saved. The only thing that will send you to hell is continued striving against his word and spirit. You are saved by faith alone. You are not forced to do anything (unlike islam), you only accept something if it truthful to you.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
We are not expected to be perfect examples, only Jesus was, only Jesus could resist Satan his whole life without falling once into sin. But if you have faith God will change your heart and make you at peace with yourself, this is what really makes you saved, the spirit giving you peace, making you see and understand the scriptures...thereby leading you to be set free of living in sin. But you are a sinner for life, no one is/was perfect except Jesus.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
@QuiteNo u are NOT reading your bible. u parrot what u were told. Here is a good example, u parroted:"You are saved by faith alone." u should read JAMES Chapter one. Here is 1:17: Faith that doesn't lead us to do good deeds is all alone and DEAD! Also 1:24 You can now see that we please God by what we DO and not only by what we believe. Is the righteous James the disciple wrong? Can u see how u are brain-washed by the followers of murderous Paul?Wake up. u are defying the TRUTH:Mat 5:19-20.
jamool2009 1 year ago
@jamool2009 No, your just not seeing the big picture, because you haven't even read the bible and dare to lecture me....James is saying yes, you should do good, it's part of the spirit dwelling in you, without God though, how can you do it from pure compassion. Anyone can do good deeds, doesn't mean they are good.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
You are the one parroting your precious debaters, instead of thinking and discovering for yourself.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
"So if you have already made up your mind or do not have the intention to find out what the bible teaches open minded you cannot understand it. The Father must draw you in not me."
QuiteNot 1 year ago
@QuiteNot I'm reading and quoting u verses. u are NOT. U told me the Pauline lie:"You are saved by faith ALONE." in order to sell his lie to the gentiles who are not used to the Jewish Law. Jesus and James CLEARLY told u that faith alone will NOT save u. Faith and DEEDS must go together; deeds are the fruits of faith. Common sense. All the 10 commandments are deeds. Jesus demanded of his followers very tough DEEDS: carrying their own crosses, hating their families and giving up their money.
jamool2009 1 year ago
@jamool2009 yeh whatever....if you have faith then love is the result, good deeds come from a genuine faith, no work is required. So yes faith is all you need.
Hating your family is not literal, it means that people will hate you if you say convert to Christianity in an Islamic family. So compared to the love you have for God, the word hate is used only because your love for God should be much greater, don't honor your family culture, honor God.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
You didn't read Exodus 24 did you...
What is the story telling you about God's Holiness and the way to forgiveness and oneness with God ?
Exodus 24
The Covenant Confirmed 1 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Come up to the LORD, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. You are to worship at a distance, 2 but Moses alone is to approach the LORD; the others must not come near. And the people may not come up with him.”
QuiteNot 1 year ago
3 When Moses went and told the people all the LORD’s words and laws, they responded with one voice, “Everything the LORD has said we will do.” 4 Moses then wrote down everything the LORD had said. He got up early the next morning and built an altar at the foot of the mountain and set up twelve stone pillars representing the twelve tribes of Israel. 5 Then he sent young Israelite men, and they offered burnt offerings and sacrificed young bulls as fellowship offerings to the LORD.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
6 Moses took half of the blood and put it in bowls, and the other half he splashed against the altar. 7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it to the people. They responded, “We will do everything the LORD has said; we will obey.” 8 Moses then took the blood, sprinkled it on the people and said, “This is the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.”
QuiteNot 1 year ago
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.
QuiteNot 1 year ago
Everything in the Bible confirms Jesus blood atonement for our souls.
Leviticus 17
11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life (soul).
QuiteNot 1 year ago
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any one tell me who said in luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." it was jesus and this is what the quran says "And if you punish (your enemy, O you believers in the Oneness of Allah), then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, verily, it is better for As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.). " so which one carries peace????
islam6429 2 years ago
@islam6429 This is totally and utterly taken out of context and false. This is a parable. Do you even know what a parable is ?
QuiteNot 11 months ago
@QuiteNot bro if you want to know what parable means look up the dictionary! and also what your whole bible writes is false n not from god. also look up what contradiction means??because the whole bible is against the ones of god. and all it talks about is how a god got killed by the people he created?
tell me was ur "lord" pleased what they did to him? if yes then bless be to them cus they've achieved his pleasure but if not then it means he's power was subjugated. also look up what god is?
islam6429 10 months ago
@islam6429 iwas askin u if u know what a parable means?
hpow u know its false bro? read the entire bible? otherwize u talkin shit
QuiteNot 10 months ago
i don't know everything, havent read the bible all myself yet. but what iread shows god was in the air, while the son was on earth and the spirit was in him. shows that god is in three persons in three places at the same time.
So god is unity of fhree persons. Daniel 7 says the world will worship the son, he is the only way to god.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
read exodus 24 and leviticus 17 down there.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
@QuiteNot bro i know your bible up side down. and those are the questions that i have. can u answer it yes or no??? if no then i dont want to waste my time, cus i've been talking to christians for years. bro in john 17:3 it says "this is eternal that they know thee the only true god and jesus christ whom thou has sent" n bro this is what we muslims trying to tell you for the last 14 centuries. but u guys are too ignorant n even dislike the ones of god in ur bible.
islam6429 10 months ago
@QuiteNot bro do u know what ur bible said about those who has taken gods beside the almighty god.??? it reads in roman chapter 1 "22: professing themselves to be wise they became fools, 23: and changed the glory of the incorruptible god into an image, made like to corruptible man..." n that is the case of the christians today. n they said god has the image of men. he eats n digest like us. n he got killed by his creatures. etc N DO U KNOW WHAT COMES AFTER THOSE VERSES??? IT SAYS THAT.....
islam6429 10 months ago
@QuiteNot ...it says that " AND FURTHER AND CHANGED THE GLORY OF THE TRUTH OF GOD INTO LIE AND WORSHIP AND SERVE THE CREATURE MORE THAN THE CREATOR." LOL who does that today?? muslims or christians??? and more over it says as punishment he made your men to go to men and your women to go to women(lesbians,gays etc) n how many times in ur bible that jesus says "..you shall worship the LORD YOUR GOD and him only shall you serve" mathew 4:10/luke 4:8 ? n didnt he said that his lord n theirs is god.
islam6429 10 months ago
@islam6429 But u fail to understand the bible's message. Have u read it all ? All 66 books would take you about a year to read. Many parts of the bible are disputed, because the bible requires wisdom to understand.
Which u clearly do not have. Satan tried to trick Jesus into sinning by doing what ? do you know ? quoting the bible verses that agree with him, and not the other verses to put the true teachings into context.
Even the disbelievers in the gospel stories say how can u a man, be God
QuiteNot 10 months ago
What did Jesus say back to people who said are you claiming to be God ? He did not deny it. Same with the disciples of Jesus namely Thomas said quite clearly called Jesus my, lord and my God. What did Jesus say to this 'so called' blasphemy of the highest order ? He said blessed are you, this has been revealed to you. So God must reveal the Bible to you. But only his chosen ones.
Jesus confused many with his sayings, he said I speak this way so wisdom is hidden from disingenuous.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
sorry I meant...from the disingenuous. Only people who seek the real meaning of the bible will find. Seek and u will find. By the way, i study comparative religion as a hobby.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
Did you read Exodus 24 and Leviticus 17 ? They completely agree with the theology of Christianity and not Islam. So the New Testament of Jesus is in agreement with the theology of Judaism.
In fact Islam is the only religion that tries to say it's part of the same message of another religion yet contradicts it. Very peculiar....some might say evil. All real prophets confirmed the previous messengers. And we know that the old testament that we have was trusted by Jesus.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
@QuiteNot sorry pal if i didnt understand the way u wanted.lols. bro there isn't any where in your bible where it writes jesus to have said he's god? but rather it tells that jesus said "my god my god, why hast thou forsaken me?" matt..27:46 that's him proving that he has god! n this "why do you call me good? no one is good but god alone" mark 10:18 proves how he did not claim the role of god. and in matthew he say i didnt not come here to destroy the law before me. meaning the ones of god...
islam6429 10 months ago
@islam6429 You say Jesus didn't say he is God. But what about the names of God ? Jesus said he is I AM (meaning YHWH (God the one and only) the eternal), Truth, the guide (way), Life (the author and source of all life), Resurrection, the bread of life, the true vine, etc...
Isn't this enough ? What can I say God is one mysterious fellow...he confounds the wisdom of the 'so called' wise. Why didn't Jesus deny he was God when asked, why did he say blessed are you instead ?
QuiteNot 10 months ago
@QuiteNot first of all my friend. the letters yhwh are called Grammar-texture and during the time of the jews who ever said it would be put to death or sever punishment. n that was the law. n its mentioned in ur old testoment. when the jews asked moses(p) to ask god what is his name. n moses goes and ask god n god says i am what i am. meaning tell them i am what i am.(god). well if that's the case then in mathew it tells that people asked a man "are you the follower of jesus christ) ......
islam6429 10 months ago
@QuiteNot (cont) ...and he says "I AM" n of course they were speaking hebrew. so he would say he is god???
and plus when the man says "o good master how do i have eternal life?" n dont u think that this is a good time that jesus tells him that he has to die n worship him as god??? no, but he said first of all "dont call me good there is no good but god" n then he furthermore tells the man who to have an eternal life tells him the 10 comandments "there is no god but god almighty......"
islam6429 10 months ago
@QuiteNot (cont)..also he never said WHY?? but simply said dont call me good there is no good but god. so bro what destroyed the nations before u was inovation, n that's exactly what u r doing. your bible condradicts the ones of god almighty n jesus(p)'s teachings n if u want to have eternal life then why dont u worship the one he told u to worship? like i said u have taken your rabies,priests as gods beside allah because u follow what they tell you. lolz i was expecting some one who believes..
islam6429 10 months ago
@QuiteNot ...who believes his bible but u r a person who is against what ur bible told.? like not to worship any god beside god. n that there is no gods beside in the heavens and on earth etc
also my point is that if jesus is god and the one he is calling upon saying my god my god. wailing when he was on the cross. then you have 2 gods plus the sprit who is also "god". which is three gods. which makes you a polytheists n ur own bible is against that. agreed.
islam6429 10 months ago
@islam6429 I don't understand you. Could you say what you mean a little clearer please.
The last comment I understood, God is one, but three persons, all of them make up the same God. That's why they coined the phrase trinity, God in the Bible is a Tri-unity of persons. That is why Jesus says the Father, the Spirit, the Son with the word God interchangeably. God's name is called YHWH (I am what I am, in english), Jesus used God's name for himself. The Jews tried to stone him for blasphemy
QuiteNot 10 months ago
And it is why ? “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. Mark 10:18
Who is innovating ? ....
QuiteNot 10 months ago
@QuiteNot my friend if you didn't get anything you can always re-read my comments. and believe it was crystal clear the comment i even wrote it in CAPITAL LETTERS. and i asked you to answer it.
bro try saying 1=3 in ur math class. i swear your math teacher is gona give you a big F. also in the debate the sheikh mentions a verse which jesus said in john " oh my father be in me and me in you and them(12 disciples) in me and me in them so that we may become one" n in another verse he says.....
islam6429 10 months ago
@islam6429 Yes, I agree 1+1+1 does not equal 1. But we are not talking about the psychical world we are talking about God.....God could be anything outside of our laws in the universe. Think about that.
And let's not start too many topics. It gets confusing.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
@QuiteNot bro you really dont want me to logic you about the ones of god. ones of god means no partner,no son, no family,no other gods, no female mate/companions etc when god almighty created us he didn't left us with out of guidance and without a reason. but he sent us messengers with books which there is guidance in it. and who ever follows it has suceeded and god almighty will say to them "(To the righteous soul will be said:) "O (thou) soul, in (complete) rest and satisfaction!".....
islam6429 10 months ago
@islam6429 God is one, but three persons in the Bible in both testaments, God shows himself to all the prophets. Just like Jesus did. The Bible says without blood, no forgiveness. So did the other 'real' prophets. Consistency is one thing in finding truth.
The oneness of God in the Trinity has to be understood the way it says, it means you have to be open to other points of view. If you think well that's not one God, etc.. you will never understand.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
God is someone who is without fault, he has no sin in him according to the Bible. So in other words a perfectly natured person.
The Father, Son and Spirit have this nature which is incorruptible. In the book of Isaiah 53 it says the Son will suffer, but will see the light and be glad he suffered. In Daniel 7 it says the Son has the right to be worshiped as God, as he will be worshiped by the world, people of all nations. God revelation doesn't stop...any person can receive a vision of God's.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
Jesus was called the word because he was God's word in action. A perfectly natured person who lived in accordance with the law's of God his whole life, the living word of God. That is why the disciples wrote about what Jesus did because this is the example to live by.
No other prophet was an example because these people were just men who sin every day. And could never be an example to God's people. All prophets sinned, very badly in some cases but who hasn't. See Islam's message contradicts....
QuiteNot 10 months ago
...almost the entire Bible.
Moses saw God (his back, his hands), the elders of Israel saw God (Exodus 24), Jacob saw God, Abraham saw God, etc....so when Jesus showed himself to the people they saw God too, and shouldn't have been surprised. God's revelation became fulfilled when Jesus fulfilled the Biblical prophecies. He gave meaning to many of the mysteries of the Bible. The bread of life , Moses staff, freedom from slavery in Egypt, etc...
QuiteNot 10 months ago
@QuiteNot ..(cont) 4:And there is none like unto Him. " in 112 in the quran.
so do you believe all of those? if yes then turn to god almighty alone without associating anything with him. if no. then you are polythiest.
simple is that.
peace
islam6429 10 months ago
@QuiteNot bro we musims believe that jesus(p) was a word that was bestowed on mary. and we believe that he performed all those miracles in the name of god.and so on. since you said "why christians are called polythiest when they believe in one god" sorry bro 3 doesnt mean 1. in ur bible god says i am the lord there is no savior or any other gods beside me in Isaiah 45:5 and he also says "i am the first and i am the last; besides me there is no god" isaiah 44:6 so do you EVEN BELIEVE YOUR BIBLE
islam6429 10 months ago
@QuiteNot also he says "you shall have no other gods before me. you shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath,...." so tell me then when god says that in ur bible why do you take jesus as god beside god almighty? or the spirit as god beside god almighty????
allah has clarified in the quran "1:Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2:Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3:He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; ......
islam6429 10 months ago
@islam6429 Doesn't seem like your mature enough....yet to understand. It took me a while to understand too.
The only way to make the whole Bible coherent is if you understand Jesus was God (the savior), God's Holy Spirit and the Father is God.
Isaiah 53, Micah 2, Leviticus 17, Exodus 24, Daniel 7 all confirm that the Son is God, he will suffer for mankind's sins, God can exist in his creation, it's the 'only' way the Bible makes complete sense. Haven't even read it have you....
QuiteNot 10 months ago
Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
See the old testament agrees with the new testament.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
Micah 5 2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans[b] of Judah,
out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from days of eternity.”
QuiteNot 10 months ago
All your problems seem to stem from the same thing, acknowledging that Jesus is God. That God, YHWH is three persons.
Work with the facts:
Jesus said he is YHWH. It is the truth. There is no other way of understanding it.
God was seen by many prophets in the Old Testament.
The Holy Spirit was received by all 'real' prophets.
The Bible says no forgiveness without shedding blood. Blood atonement.
Now do these facts agree with Christianity or Islam ? Only Christianity.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
@QuiteNot lolz. i am immature to understand the words of god???? bro you dont even have the knowledge of a kid. a kid understand 3 doesnt equal to 1. bro i'm not gona logic you how is not three but one. bro what you have is ignorant that the fact that god is one in your bible while you believe the oposite that there are three gods. bro never did jesus said worship me? or i am god? etc he's life and his teachings were to worship the god that sent him. so do you deny that???
islam6429 10 months ago
@islam6429 I have always said one God...so what you talking about ? See your not allowing yourself to think outside the box. the Bible actually challenges you to change your thinking....I already explained it's not that simple....All three are called God (YHWH). The same God. God could of course exist like this. He is God. Your arguments are childish.
Jesus wouldn't say worship me because he was a man on earth...but as spirit Jesus never corrected anyone who worshiped him.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
Also your not acknowledging my points that Leviticus 17 disagrees with the Quran. It contradicts it's teachings....but you seem to have no problem with that. Also Exodus 24 disagrees with the Islamic notion that God cannot be inside his creation. But the Bible says otherwise. You do not know how to debate only deceive yourself and others. Don't you believe in prophecy ? You say you believe in the God of the Bible but not his word ? This is the whole problem with Islam, it's self refuting.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
See almost everything taught in the Bible contradicts the Quran: Not little things either, big things like the nature of God (Trinity), about God existing inside creation.
Jesus taught that religion and state should be separate. Quran is complete opposite.
Jesus taught non-violence, love for enemies. Quran taught retaliation.
Jesus taught no more religious punishments, let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Quran again teaches the opposite. No muslim argument makes sense.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
Isaha 53 says, that the Messiah will be killed for our wickedness, by his punishments we are healed.
He will die and come back to life after suffering.
This again confirms the New Testament and contradicts the Quran. The only argument you have is that God didn't protect the Bible but....is now going to make an effort and protect the Quran. But this cannot be true since both testaments agree so completely. And that muslim argument makes God sound stupid.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
It's more likely that the Quran is completely false and muhammad/muslims didn't understand the word of God, just like today. So made up a completely different religion (a combination of Judaic beliefs, Pagan rituals) and called the previous one corrupt but still from the same God.
Which like I said is completely self refuting.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
@QuiteNot tell me this? its simple, n dont overload like a robot. when god said in the bible i am god there is no other gods beside me and that he is one. tell me why do you say that god is three when he described himself as one????? does trinity even the word it self mentioned in the bible. so simple. what i want to knwo is why do u say god is three n jesus n the spirit are gods with him when he says i am the only god n there is no god in the heaven n on earth?? doesnt that include jesus...
islam6429 10 months ago
@islam6429 There is no other God's besides YHWH. And all three are YHWH, they somehow make up one God. Don't try to understand it, no one can. Like I said God's universe is a little different to ours. All that Christians have to know is that when you pray all 3 are included. Trinity is not a word used in the Bible. But the concept is clearly taught. You just pray to God in the name of the Son of God.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
@QuiteNot bro with all do respect dont get to other mambo jumbo. i asked you simple questions. when god almighty described himself as one why do you say that he is three???what i want to know is why do u say god is three n jesus n the spirit are gods with him when he says i am the only god n there is no god in the heaven n on earth?? and that other thing i said was.....
islam6429 10 months ago
@QuiteNot ....and tell me why is ur believe that jesus died for ur sins? when jesus said the father will not be held the iniquity of the son and nor the son will be held by the iniquity of the father?? n if he "supost" to be crucified WILLINGLY. why did he wailed to god saying let this cup(death) turn away if posible n the time he was on the cross and saying oh my god my god why have you forsaken me. etc
if u dont have an answer to that. my friend don't waste my time
islam6429 10 months ago
@islam6429 man, muslims are just stupid. I give up on trying to teach them. You have your religion I have mine sound good. It's always a waste of time to teach someone who doesn't want to be taught. Bye, it's been frustrating.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
@QuiteNot ahhh. are we stupid for asking you that when god said that he is one and no other god are beside him why do you say that there are 2 to 3 gods with him???? bro this is from your pockets n we muslims believe the god of abraham,moses,jesus, muhammed and all the prophets that was before them. n they worshiped one god with out partners n if u want to follow their way then stop associating partners with god n worship him alone. n that is all i was trying to teach u. see no confusion. peace.
islam6429 10 months ago
@islam6429 i already told you what christians believe in many different ways. i am just repeating myself.
Only met about 3 alright muslims on youtube out of many, who can actually understand. Most muslims cannot see and appreciate other faiths. Islam seems to breed intolerance.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
I quoted evidence for all of christians beliefs you couldn't disprove any of them, I disproved all your assertions about the Bible.
The only conclusion you can come to is you simply don't accept the christian theology because your a muslim. it always comes down to this.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
How many times do I have to say, Jesus said he was God, obviously God's Holy Spirit is God, and the Father is clearly God in the Bible. It's a fact. How this works no one knows, but they are the same God (YHWH). Remember no beginning and no end. They simply are and always will be.
No denying the facts.
QuiteNot 10 months ago
@QuiteNot bro get you facts straight. because we muslims accept everything with strong acceptions and dont come to me with exaggeration n you come to me with naked words. gimmy evidence of how god almighty is not one but three. because god even pointed out that he is one and only one. n that there are no other gods. bro if you say that god is one and that none has to be worshiped but him. then we are with you. but......
islam6429 9 months ago
@QuiteNot but if you say that god is Triune then you belong to the category of the pagans n not monotheism. because there was mithra at the time of jesus(P) mithra n solunviticus and saturnilius. which mithra is the son of god and the lamb of god and by believing his death all your sins are forgiven. n u have many more. like horus,osiris isis which began 2nd millennium B.C.E and many more. so what you christians are preaching is similar to those. n its not what the prophets came with.!! simple.
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 Mithra was a mystery cult....meaning no one knows what they believed. Where did you get this crap from youtube ?
If Jesus said he is YHWH which he did. Then you have to accept that God could be triune and yet one and the same God. This is not pagan and does not contradict that God is one. And no else but him. Like I said one is one plural, not singular in the bible. Why did the authors of the Bible not use the singular one if he was one, why use the plural one ?
QuiteNot 9 months ago
I have disproved all your assertions about the bible, which shows you do not understand it. I don't want to sound nasty, rude or a know it all. Just being honest, this journey is a deeply personal one I realise. And to look at your understanding of the Bbile and question it is a daunting task. But well worth it ; )
QuiteNot 9 months ago
According to the bible truth is what sets man's heart free. So if you feel anxious about following the qurans laws. It cannot be truth.
When you hear the truth it can only make you feel good. Jesus spoke a series of moral truths throughout his ministry, how do you find the truth, find little truths, that lead to big realisations, such as being truthful about who you are, admitting your faults, are freeing...beliefs are constricting but truth is freeing.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
Notice Christians do not have rigged rules, they believe everyone is flawed, meaning we are not holy and never can be.
So Christians don't pretend to be good, like muslims, they be themselves and trust in God. The Bible is a guide for the conscience, so God will guide us how he wills, towards being more holy, but we can never be perfect. Jesus said if you want to be good and holy, then have no hatred for someone, no lustful thoughts in yourselves, no one can do this obviously. Which is a truth.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
So if God is Holy and we are not Holy. Then how do you go to heaven with a Holy God who cannot be in the presence of sin ?
You need eternal forgiveness....for all your past and future sins. In the Bible all sins had to be paid for in full by the prophets and people, God made everyone suffer for every sin, depending on it's severity. To show people how much he detests it and show who it effects when you do.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
Jesus said that lusting after someone else in your heart is committing the act of adultery to God. What is the penalty for adultery ? Stoning I believe.
Should we stone people who look lustfully at other men/woman, who decides what is lust ? Jesus answered this perfectly, whoever has no sin let him cast the first stone. Meaning everyone sins, so who can judge rightfully, who knows the heart, only God, so Christians leave all punishments for God on judgment day. This is a truth.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
Having the desire to punish someone because of religion is inspiring hatred. So not having the desire to judge others is a good thing.
The idea is that we let God's love rub off on us. The Bible makes us feel more compassionate towards others. Not more judgmental less judgmental, not more hatred but lesser and even lesser anger. Less focused on what others think and more of letting your spirit be itself. So not accepting everything, but testing it first and making an informed decision.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
My main concern with Islam is that muslims seem to follow all the laws and beliefs without question, the spirit of Islam is not questioning, it is just acceptance and blindly following. not all muslims of course cause everyone is different but it seems to be the overwhelming spirit of Islam, if you know what I mean ; )
This is why muslims follow and believe all sorts of crazy stuff and it's very hard to correct them, because they have such hubris, it's pure arrogance.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
The spirit of Islam seems to be one of hypocrisy, intolerance and hatred. This is where studying the quran leads you.
Whereas Christianity is one of greater love for God and others. One of intelligence, character and moderation.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
@QuiteNot my friend you even deny mithra who was worshiped by the greek pagans??? there is even documentry if u only search it.? what about horus and the ones that was worshiped by the egyptians??? also my friend what you need is god not his slave? the christians' idiology is ugly and illogical which can't be taken. you tell me that god is three with three different characters n three different stutus. n u dont want to admit that is polythism but u say its monothiest. n ur bible tells.....
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 How can you say Christianity is illogical when I have showed you beyond doubt that you don't understand it ?
You need to understand the 'whole' Bible before you make a proper judgment, that is the old and new testaments. Jesus confronted the same problem with people who didn't believe who he was. He said to the Jews who didn't believe he was God's Son that they belong to their father the devil. He also said if you don't believe who I am, you will die in your sins.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
That means no forgiveness of sins, without believing in Jesus. A reasonable person would think, why didn't he say God. Why would a prophet say you must believe in 'me' otherwise you will die in your sins ? Why would a prophet say believe in me, unless he is God. You have to think when you read the Bible.
And why did Jesus allow people to worship him (he didn't say anything to stop them) and by simply believing in him they were healed ? Jesus also kept saying I am from above you are from below.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
He also said I came from God. I came from heaven. I will be with you always. Jesus always spoke that God the Father is with him in everything he does, he speaks his words. Now compare muhammad, he didn't speak to God but an angel. But all the prophets from the Bible met and spoke with God and they relayed his message directly. See no argument you say makes any sense. Mine always do. Because I only speak what I know to be the truth.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
You do not abide in the truth. As you say Ezekiel 23 this is straight from the debaters and are not your own thoughts. It says clearly that this is a prophecy.
Ezekiel 23:4...... Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.
Now you also mention the prophets and the holy land. Men are sinners they sinned. This shows the Bible is not trying to lie to you it's very honest, they did wrong sometimes like we all do.That's all i'll say on the matter.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
The Holy Land is heaven on earth, so it had to made Holy just like heaven. Even the Temple was made to mimic the one in heaven. This was God's will, not ours.
And just like that you brush aside the truth, that Jesus said that punishments are hypocritical for men to do. Yet the quran says to amputate limbs and kill people for sins they commit. How can we punish sins when sins are in your heart ? only God can punish sins.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
@QuiteNot what the heck?? now u jump from the context to some other rubish??? bro i get it that the whole concept of christianity if to believe that god died for your sins? even though jesus said in ur bible that the father will not bear the iniquity of the child nor the child. n that he also said i didnt come to destroy the law before me but to fulfill it jot by jot and dot by dot. which we know from the law that by acting upon what god has prescribed for you is how you achieve his mercy and...
islam6429 9 months ago
@QuiteNot ....and the eternal life. which christians today(a pagan concept which was grafted) dont even believe. bro i know. BRO STICK TO THE TOPIC. also my friend the prophet went up to the heavens during mi'raj when he was elevated then there was accompanying angel gabriel until the angel said this is a the point where i can't cross then the prophet(P) went up to the seven heaven n god talked to him and prescribed the 5 daily prayers.
also i have looked into the bible and quoted....
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 Christianity has pagan concepts, common man Islam is completely pagan, all the rituals were part of pagan practice even your own texts confirm this.
Use facts instead of wild speculation like your debaters.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
And the facts show that God was seen (he showed visions of himself, Christians do not worship an image only God in the spirit) in the old testament and in the new testament. it's consistent. You have no valid arguments, none.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
The point i'm making is that it's really clear Jesus said he was God. He forgave sins, he said he came from heaven, no man comes from heaven, from God, God from God, light from light.
I have already answered your questions, yet you do not understand over and over again.....you quote from the king james version for ezekiel 23, this is a very bad translation by experts in biblical scholarship. No other translation describes it llike this, it is a prophecy in typical biblical prophecy language.meh
QuiteNot 9 months ago
....No vaid arguments, none. You sink low enough to use your own quranic standards to understand biblical passages....no one came from heaven according to the bible. No one went to the heavens. Heaven is for God alone and the angels, only Holy creatures can enter into the presence of God.
So according to biblical understanding Jesus was saying he is God. There is no other way of understanding the entire bible without this admission.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
See the quran is a completely differnet faith to the one Jesus and the prophets taught. It was copied from the pagans of the time. Who has ever heard of a prophet (Mo) that can't get anything right ?
I have tried to show you that the Bible is consistent. And so many key beliefs are different compared to the quran. e.g Jesus said all food is clean, yet muhammad said it's not. God cannot be seen in creation, yet I have showed you the Bible says otherwise....so he (Mo) is not a true prophet.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
What do you have to prove muhammad was a true prophet ? He was a nice guy ? That is not evidence, that sounds like a cults explanation.
Muhammad didn't even know the bible (as i have showed), that is why he had to say it was corrupt. Islam is pagan rituals like circling the kabaa as muhammad used to do as a child as part of pagan practices, the sacred month of no fighting....with monotheism copied from jews and christians. That's about it.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
@QuiteNot ...3Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire. 4.It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:" chap 53. bro even the jews at madina new that muhamed(P) was prophet n they were even awaiting him. n used to say to the arabs of ansar while boasting that when the prophet comes that all the arab lands etc will be on their hands but when he came they disbelieved while knowing that he was a prophet because he was not decendant from isaac(p) but from ishmael(P).
islam6429 9 months ago
@islam6429 As I showed muhammad is not a true prophet. He did bring a different religion. It's a fact.
Jesus taught that God will be in you to save you personally, Jesus will send him from the Father, the same God, God from God, light from light. He said no good deeds will save you. I am dying for our sins. If you don't believe in me you die in your sins. See Jesus taught everything different to muhammad.
QuiteNot 9 months ago
@QuiteNot you have proved me what???? please quote your own words one the comment page? all u said was that muhamed(p) is a nice guy n that doesnt mean that he's a prophet. but i explained in a great details what makes him a prophet(p) one of the things that i said was that all prophets came with a sign proving that they r messengers from god but the time they're gone that miracle went with them but this prophet(P) had their miracles n a miracle which will last untill the day of judgment(quran
islam6429 9 months ago