@knsense It's not well paid. The real truth is 75% of graphic designers coming out of college will not find a job. You can't be mediocre to ok in this field. You need to be good to great coming out. If not, seriously consider another career. Sorry to scare you but trust me, if it's not for you, it will save you a lot of time and money.
man i swear i've had one client that has done this to me and its so fucken frustrating when they cant tell you what they want changed and your sitting for hours trying to read their mind!
im currently designing a logo for a company that doesn't exist, and a product that has yet to be developed. I met with the client for the second time today and it was completely pointless. ARGH!... Even the color question was a bust. tisk tisk tisk... :D.. i love it tho~!!!
I have a controlling client ATM I guess that is better than someone who has no idea what they want. Only problem is if he had total control it would look like a dogs breakfast however some things we are on the same level about.
The problems associated with most GD jobs is the failure of the designer to communicate with their clients. A conflict of opposites considering a GD's job is to communicate...well.... not that I don't have the same problems also. Use a contract.
I bailed after 14 years. I'll never go back to the industry. I'd rather chew glass than entertain the thought of receiving another MS Word or Powerpoint file. "What do you mean they're not press ready? They print just fine on my inkjet"
@toogood6996...don't even get me started. Long hours, shitty pay, no respect, having clients haggle prices...ugh...I'd rather be raped in the arse with a broken beer bottle than step back into that job.
@toogood6996...yupp...worked in Australia but friends all over the world in GD have the same opinion and almost all have found something else to do. If you're in Australia, get a trade. You'll make $70ph laying bricks and getting much more respect. No customer will ever dare tell you how to lay bricks.
I havent been through this yet. But I do know there are clients who really don't know what they want or a very vague idea, Im studying to be one (done a few jobs on the side). are you serious it gets that bad 8 revisions, and a cockroach design and you have to give away for free? I have a real passion for design and can see it as a long term career.
the concept makes me smile...it's like uplifting because graphic artists can relate. i appreciate more the father and son relationship-effort in making the vid.
...and this is exactly why when i lost my gd job i changed career paths and entered nursing. anyone who can stay in the gd field without going insane, you are fortunate.
@parappabug, dude you have no idea. It works like this, client comes with no clue or brief whatsoever, usually no budget, and an impossible time scale. You do your best and probably produce something your proud of. They look at it give you some "pointers" and amends that probably commit a number of design no nos and ruin your idea i.e 7 logo colours and comic fucking sans. You'll do the amends a number of times until they are happy, they pass it onto their boss. Rinse repeat until you wanttodie
Crap...can someone please give me some uplifting advice of advantages as a GD'er I changed my major to GD but now im starting to think its going to be very hard or... and i even half right?
I really like your video. I'm doing short cartoons about theory of graphic design. I'll post my video resonse. Thank-you. Check my channel for other videos about graphic design.
This is so true! Working with non-creatives is generally like trying to please a 5 year old child. Thanks for your sweet video. Looking forward to seeing your son at the oscars in 20 years time.
I needed that! lol. 7 year senior graphic designer. too cute ans so true! I am needing a video to show 200 new graphic design students to mentor them into getting a graphic design degree. I think I am going to make your son's video the center of all talking points of my speech. thanks! Donna
I agree, train for something else, clients have little to no respect or understanding of our industry, just because they think its fun to play with colour and type, its gotta be cheap eh.. "cos its a bit like what i did at primary school.. and you guys get paid for it .. right..??"
assholes some of them.. become a photographer.. its easier, no amends or changes. Photography is a black art as far as some clients think, so they don't seem confident enough to comment as much...
I'm wondering why clients think that every graphic designer is there for their playtime and for free! Lets see them mess other industries around and see where it gets them. Everyone is a 'designer' these days. The industry has never been so dissed and disrespected in all of its life. Clients need to wake up or ship out.
Do yourself a favour and train for something else. The clients that the industry attracts these days are disrespectful arseholes who don't want to pay. Web designers are doing better. Good luck x
I'm a web designer and 90% of the idiots I deal with are like this. I have been in business for just under a year and find myself wanting to shut the thing down. Daily.
Yes clients have opinions but any designer worth his salt has a responsibility to raise the bar and use his talents, experience and expertise to deliver something better than what a layman thinks is the best way to communicate. Just being completely reactive means that somewhere along the way you've either lost all confidence in your ability or you're a complete cynic. Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon is an example of a 'service provider' who just carried out a clients 'orders' without caveats.
Hell if Micheal came to my clinic supposedly and asked for a nose even though his nose was already f*cked up and I'm not a plastic surgeon, I'd do what eva THINK OF ALL THE MONEY! I don't think the surgeon was out of self esteem simply greedy as hell!
I think poopedin yourmouth is ironically, talking poop. Everyone is a service provider but designers have an area of expertise that a lot of clients choose to ignore for a variety of reasons. They have their own opinion, they rarely get the chance to be involved in something creative and want to input (at the possible detriment of theproject) etc.
First off, I know the feeling that this video conveys. Second, the idea that slapping together any random crap is art is quite frankly, stupid. Actually, that whole idea came from shitty artists who couldn't get work because they sucked. So, crappy "artists" got together and basically told people that their garbage was good. It was basically a great PR campaign. Fact is, art has specfic vision, content and meaning. If ever someone tells you that it's open to interpretation, they are full of crap
I think this vid paints a very realistic picture of the design/client relation. The client often has extremely unrealistic ideas of what they want and the designer is expected to understand. Graphic Design is NOT taking orders. Most service industries have very clear outlines—You need your sink fixed? A plumber fixes it. You pay plumber. Design IS Art! And art is very subjective. You can't please everyone. Hence the bad review you gave this video... which BTW is art.
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That's exactly what graphic design is. But painting the client as a child is stroking the designers ego. Clients will have opinions and a designer has to follow them. A designer is nothing more than an order taker in a service industry. Design is not Art, and way too many designers forget that.
poop - ANYTHING creative is art. Design doesn't just appear. U have to visualise it, create every element & harmonise them. Thats art. I agree that clients will have opinions, but clients insist on abusing of their position. Imagine saying to a chef - oh, I don't know - just make me something I'll like. But I'm not going to tell u what food I actually like. And keep going until I like it BUT, I'm only paying the cost of 1 meal. Do u think theyd accept that? Design should be no different.
cuuuute :D
alexed89 1 month ago
hahahha
Is that your son???? He is the best actor ever!
lucasbdantas 2 months ago
Ha that's the cutest fickle client ever,lol...
alfreeno1 3 months ago
great video and website. I am new to the Graphic Design Industry but I really enjoy it.
geniusindesigns 3 months ago
That is awesome!
semajenor 5 months ago
Man, this IS sooooooo true! Thumbs up
kworalsoa 6 months ago
@kworalsoa no doubt!
thesupe87 1 month ago
Awwww cutest video ever! Your son's darling ^_^
dottiedots221 6 months ago
soo cute ;)
sweetdreeem 6 months ago
Spot on guys.Great video.
no0neiv 6 months ago
I find the client's sketches quite good compared to what I've seen!
vincentement 7 months ago
And that, my friends, is business ;) ...and cuteness!
KissVirgin09 7 months ago
thats sooooo awesome!
DrkShogun 8 months ago
great video! and that is an adorable child you got there! goodluck with future clients!
AyyyCeee 8 months ago
you gave him coffee!!?! Thats gonna stunt his growth!!
calikiddable 9 months ago
@calikiddable dude you didnt watch the video thru, at the end it says he didn't drink coffeee...
Jeezzz
HabboPasiion 5 months ago
awhh this is cute...
angelicwarrior31 9 months ago
too cute!
deettle 9 months ago
...Black people?
AndyHarglesis 10 months ago
such a great video :)
ElwoodSurfsNy 10 months ago
Well, I can relate. On the designer front and on the cute kid front.
forcefeedlogiq 10 months ago
Great video
MrArtpro91 11 months ago
im about to graduate from high school, i will probably study graphic design, is it well paid and is it hard to find a job?
knsense 11 months ago
@knsense It's not well paid. The real truth is 75% of graphic designers coming out of college will not find a job. You can't be mediocre to ok in this field. You need to be good to great coming out. If not, seriously consider another career. Sorry to scare you but trust me, if it's not for you, it will save you a lot of time and money.
uberfunction 9 months ago
"Cockroach!" I nearly died. XD
LM1313 11 months ago
Awesome ... nice job
DesignLingo99 1 year ago
Ha ha Cute!
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Lol, wow...I FEEL THE SAME WAY!! great job!
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Brilliant job.
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so cutee
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No Money! Haha
ccis1 1 year ago
this is a documentary
sid6582 1 year ago
lol, lol too funny! Glad to see I'm not the only one caught in this nightmare.
bydesignmedia 1 year ago
This is exactly why i don't do logos.
enzigenes 1 year ago
Whats wrong with it.
IT STINKS. :DDD soooo true. lov this. well done.
ruetty79 1 year ago
man i swear i've had one client that has done this to me and its so fucken frustrating when they cant tell you what they want changed and your sitting for hours trying to read their mind!
viobearcs 1 year ago
ice coffee hahaha
defsurg30 1 year ago
HILARIOUS !!! SO VERY TRUE !!! WELL DONE !!!
bogil 1 year ago
im currently designing a logo for a company that doesn't exist, and a product that has yet to be developed. I met with the client for the second time today and it was completely pointless. ARGH!... Even the color question was a bust. tisk tisk tisk... :D.. i love it tho~!!!
kell0338 1 year ago
I have a controlling client ATM I guess that is better than someone who has no idea what they want. Only problem is if he had total control it would look like a dogs breakfast however some things we are on the same level about.
Samb0123 1 year ago
ha ha ha, this is so true, i'm making a logo for my uncle and every time i make one he just throws it back in my face
HASHANIMATIONS 1 year ago
sorry :) lol
MsGunner2010 1 year ago
Coffee is a MUST when designing! lmao!
JimandNanci09 1 year ago
LOL love it >> just like my last client ;D
4AceCraZ 1 year ago
COCKROACH!!!...........omfg XD ur killin me too
virginWHORE69 1 year ago
LOL! I loved your vid!
dominguessdude 1 year ago
OMG, I go through this all of the time. God speed to you. You are not in the struggle alone.
BohoCosmopolitan 1 year ago
lol
falkon14 1 year ago
awe, thats cute ^.^
pinguizawesome 1 year ago
Great video! Well done! :-)
webcoredesign 1 year ago
The problems associated with most GD jobs is the failure of the designer to communicate with their clients. A conflict of opposites considering a GD's job is to communicate...well.... not that I don't have the same problems also. Use a contract.
ehmpeters 1 year ago
You think you guys have it bad. Us signmakers get it from both barrels! VECTOR people VECTOR!!! ;)
gwaredd 1 year ago
I love this video and the people that star in it, You guys should make more xD
CheekyTrooper92 1 year ago
This is so good. Excellent job.
I bailed after 14 years. I'll never go back to the industry. I'd rather chew glass than entertain the thought of receiving another MS Word or Powerpoint file. "What do you mean they're not press ready? They print just fine on my inkjet"
puppetdesign 1 year ago
@puppetdesign bad career move gd?
toogood6996 10 months ago
@toogood6996...don't even get me started. Long hours, shitty pay, no respect, having clients haggle prices...ugh...I'd rather be raped in the arse with a broken beer bottle than step back into that job.
puppetdesign 10 months ago
@puppetdesign did you work in Australia? im doing a degree in gd now, seems like i should change while i can...
toogood6996 10 months ago
@toogood6996...yupp...worked in Australia but friends all over the world in GD have the same opinion and almost all have found something else to do. If you're in Australia, get a trade. You'll make $70ph laying bricks and getting much more respect. No customer will ever dare tell you how to lay bricks.
puppetdesign 10 months ago
I feel your pain! Every grapic designer goes through this ATLEAST once.
DCENTFILMS 1 year ago
I havent been through this yet. But I do know there are clients who really don't know what they want or a very vague idea, Im studying to be one (done a few jobs on the side). are you serious it gets that bad 8 revisions, and a cockroach design and you have to give away for free? I have a real passion for design and can see it as a long term career.
Samb0123 1 year ago
the concept makes me smile...it's like uplifting because graphic artists can relate. i appreciate more the father and son relationship-effort in making the vid.
ths8dan 2 years ago
...and this is exactly why when i lost my gd job i changed career paths and entered nursing. anyone who can stay in the gd field without going insane, you are fortunate.
parappabug 2 years ago
@parappabug, dude you have no idea. It works like this, client comes with no clue or brief whatsoever, usually no budget, and an impossible time scale. You do your best and probably produce something your proud of. They look at it give you some "pointers" and amends that probably commit a number of design no nos and ruin your idea i.e 7 logo colours and comic fucking sans. You'll do the amends a number of times until they are happy, they pass it onto their boss. Rinse repeat until you wanttodie
Jaya365 2 years ago
Crap...can someone please give me some uplifting advice of advantages as a GD'er I changed my major to GD but now im starting to think its going to be very hard or... and i even half right?
hotKnife612 2 years ago
I loved every second of it
Godschosenwun 2 years ago
OMG, i thought i was the only one who went through this with clients! Outstanding.
SoSoDeap 2 years ago
whats the song at the start called ?
TheThomasHart 2 years ago
It's called Sh-Boom
SamuelEllmer 2 years ago
I really like your video. I'm doing short cartoons about theory of graphic design. I'll post my video resonse. Thank-you. Check my channel for other videos about graphic design.
lastinlineband1 2 years ago
that was cool...and yes, sums it all up
maroshiV 2 years ago
I'm starting to rethink my major because GD is really demanding.
MrPerseus2009 2 years ago 2
could always be a GD teacher.
adda89 2 years ago
@MrPerseus2009 it can also be extremely self rewarding. and remember, its not like animation...
kmarois 2 years ago
LOOOOOOOVELY!!!
TvojMis 2 years ago
He probably didn't even bill him for the meeting.
carlinscuderi 2 years ago
Haha, hilarious! Cute kid.
uberm3nsch 2 years ago 3
This is so true! Working with non-creatives is generally like trying to please a 5 year old child. Thanks for your sweet video. Looking forward to seeing your son at the oscars in 20 years time.
sheshotsmoking 2 years ago 37
I needed that! lol. 7 year senior graphic designer. too cute ans so true! I am needing a video to show 200 new graphic design students to mentor them into getting a graphic design degree. I think I am going to make your son's video the center of all talking points of my speech. thanks! Donna
donnadohogne 2 years ago
What a sweet kid you have. He's going to be somebody one day! Great video.
14bo0357 2 years ago
Well so many "graphic designers" actually bend over backwards for clients, And undercharge so it is hard to change clients sometimes because of this.
philabyebye 2 years ago
I agree, train for something else, clients have little to no respect or understanding of our industry, just because they think its fun to play with colour and type, its gotta be cheap eh.. "cos its a bit like what i did at primary school.. and you guys get paid for it .. right..??"
assholes some of them.. become a photographer.. its easier, no amends or changes. Photography is a black art as far as some clients think, so they don't seem confident enough to comment as much...
loopylava 2 years ago 2
I'm wondering why clients think that every graphic designer is there for their playtime and for free! Lets see them mess other industries around and see where it gets them. Everyone is a 'designer' these days. The industry has never been so dissed and disrespected in all of its life. Clients need to wake up or ship out.
Chroma100 2 years ago
hahahaha, that kid is too cute man.
I'm going to become a graphic designer in a few years, I hope things aren't as difficult like this haha!
Kidcky 2 years ago
Sorry, I'm afraid so! I'm from the UK and it's the same here. I think it's part and parcel of the job!
JonHColey 2 years ago
Do yourself a favour and train for something else. The clients that the industry attracts these days are disrespectful arseholes who don't want to pay. Web designers are doing better. Good luck x
Chroma100 2 years ago
I'm a web designer and 90% of the idiots I deal with are like this. I have been in business for just under a year and find myself wanting to shut the thing down. Daily.
theHouseCat 2 years ago
Great video
MA3LK 2 years ago
Yes clients have opinions but any designer worth his salt has a responsibility to raise the bar and use his talents, experience and expertise to deliver something better than what a layman thinks is the best way to communicate. Just being completely reactive means that somewhere along the way you've either lost all confidence in your ability or you're a complete cynic. Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon is an example of a 'service provider' who just carried out a clients 'orders' without caveats.
samcreate124 2 years ago 16
@samcreate124
Hell if Micheal came to my clinic supposedly and asked for a nose even though his nose was already f*cked up and I'm not a plastic surgeon, I'd do what eva THINK OF ALL THE MONEY! I don't think the surgeon was out of self esteem simply greedy as hell!
emLevit 1 year ago
I think poopedin yourmouth is ironically, talking poop. Everyone is a service provider but designers have an area of expertise that a lot of clients choose to ignore for a variety of reasons. They have their own opinion, they rarely get the chance to be involved in something creative and want to input (at the possible detriment of theproject) etc.
samcreate124 2 years ago
Excellent video sir! I found it very enjoyable!
kitsuneswordsman 2 years ago
this nice video sums up my 15 years in the industry
jdannydotcom 2 years ago
Awesome! It's so nice to find out your not the only one ripping your hair out over frustrating clients. Thank you!
Violetvand 2 years ago
This made my day! It wasn't even a bad day. That was just awesome. Thanks!
schuggyt 2 years ago
First off, I know the feeling that this video conveys. Second, the idea that slapping together any random crap is art is quite frankly, stupid. Actually, that whole idea came from shitty artists who couldn't get work because they sucked. So, crappy "artists" got together and basically told people that their garbage was good. It was basically a great PR campaign. Fact is, art has specfic vision, content and meaning. If ever someone tells you that it's open to interpretation, they are full of crap
rhaick 2 years ago
wow...I'm not the only one! Thanks! This was great! More!!!
myklcris24 2 years ago
poop!
I think this vid paints a very realistic picture of the design/client relation. The client often has extremely unrealistic ideas of what they want and the designer is expected to understand. Graphic Design is NOT taking orders. Most service industries have very clear outlines—You need your sink fixed? A plumber fixes it. You pay plumber. Design IS Art! And art is very subjective. You can't please everyone. Hence the bad review you gave this video... which BTW is art.
kellllllllllz 2 years ago 3
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That's exactly what graphic design is. But painting the client as a child is stroking the designers ego. Clients will have opinions and a designer has to follow them. A designer is nothing more than an order taker in a service industry. Design is not Art, and way too many designers forget that.
poopedinyourmouth 2 years ago
poop - ANYTHING creative is art. Design doesn't just appear. U have to visualise it, create every element & harmonise them. Thats art. I agree that clients will have opinions, but clients insist on abusing of their position. Imagine saying to a chef - oh, I don't know - just make me something I'll like. But I'm not going to tell u what food I actually like. And keep going until I like it BUT, I'm only paying the cost of 1 meal. Do u think theyd accept that? Design should be no different.
elinorac 2 years ago
Very nice. Cheers to your husband and son. I liked your choice of music.
BLKMRK7 2 years ago
LOVE IT!! It's my day exactly! *LOL*
mkbailey1972 2 years ago
loving your work
neilypeelie 2 years ago
LOVE IT! VERY GOOD :0)
designgirl1977 2 years ago
love it!
yamms2000 2 years ago
lol cockroach
jewlius11 2 years ago
congratulations on the vid. this has given me a good understanding of what life as a graphic designer will be like. lol.
domperry01 2 years ago
Very funny, great work!
missionverdana 2 years ago
That kid sure drives a hard bargain! Loved the vid!
TdotRob 2 years ago
lol!! great sketch! loved it!
andymirage 2 years ago
great sketch, your son is such a good actor, and that is the harsh reality we graphic designers must confront daily hehehe
qksweird 2 years ago
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don't lie to the guy, the kid's a terrible actor.
lindsaymccutcheon 2 years ago
Good luck on the contest. This video is very very cute. Those troublesome clients!
banoffipudding 2 years ago
Ahahaha that was amazing, cute kid you've got there
djVarroA 2 years ago
ahhh hahaha story of my life! great way to create a positive release for your frustrations! very clever! adorable son!
Graphicjay22 2 years ago
That was terribly cute! (and fairly realistic too...)
zzwhitejd 2 years ago
great stuff!
PretinhaGarrett 2 years ago
I love it -- I can so relate. Your son (I'm assuming he's yours) is adorable! I found your vid from MOOvie mania. Cute.
MontanaRaven 2 years ago
aww
Joya128 2 years ago
Absolutely Adorable! haha I hope it's not that bad though! ^___^
NamasteCG 2 years ago
Funny :-)
andypiperuk 2 years ago
awesome! :)
thegc4 2 years ago