Iannis Xenakis- Mists (1/2)

[Igneous01]

I think ive understood how to approach this kind of music now, and now it seems pleasant to listen to.

[sonic777111]

Every piece of modern music I look up has these comment wars...

[painkiller901901]

auto mono san mousikh den tha mporousa na to xaraktirisw. alla ti perimeneis apo ena brwmokoummouni. oi aristeres idees tou xenaki kai pollwn allwn exoun ftasei tin patrida mas ekei pou einai simera. a re stellara gt mas afises toso nwris

[daveisgr81]

Awesome piece, really starting to get into his stuff as of late.

[Swetsnel]

It's like the table of my workschedule

[crazyunicorn20]

Αυτό το κλισέ του στυλ ‘η μουσική είναι μαθηματικά‘ πρέπει να αναθεωρηθεί νομίζω. Μπορεί η μουσική να έχει να κάνει καί με αριθμητική ως ένα βαθμό, αλλά το forte και το piano ΔΕΝ το μετράς σε Db, ούτε το ritardando σε παλμούς ανά λεπτό. Μουσική είναι η μίξη διαφόρων στοιχείων όπως θεωρητικής γνώσης, μουσικής αντίληψης και συναισθήματος και έκφρασης. Αυτό που ακούμε είναι ένας πειραματισμός που δεν μπορώ να κρίνω.

[cherryorchards]

i just "met" Xenakis on youtube videos , and i`m already planning i nice place for him in my cd collection next to Cage and Messiaen

[OverFjell]

I don't get how the score works, maybe someone can enlighten me?

[andrewcomplainer]

ontos man.

alla vazoune sti sxolh mousikologias ergasia na grapsoune ergasia gia enan tupa pou pira kapoious mathimatikous tupous k orise apo monos tou oti ekei pano tha paixoun autes oi netes k axies.

dn einai kati dimiourgiko oute kati diskolo na to kanei kapoios,

an ego grapso mousikh me diafora xronou kathe pote xezw dn simenei oti prepei na to kanoun ergasies se panepistimia.

[minorFrequencies]

@andrewcomplainer Φίλε μου απο τη μία έχεις δίκιο, αλλά από την άλλη η μουσική είναι μαθηματικά και τα μαθηματικά μουσική! Αυτό είναι γεγονός..τώρα αν είναι εύκολο η δύσκολο αυτό είναι στο άνθρωπο! Το ότι δεν γράφεις μουσική με εργαλείο σου τα μαθηματικά δε σημαίνει ότι δεν πρέπει να διδάσκεται στα πανεπηστήμια! Τα μαθηματικά είπαμε έχουν σχέση με τη μουσικη ενω το χέσιμο και η παραξενιά του κάθε συνθετη δεν εχουν..!εκεί μπάινεις στην ψυχολογία μέσα στη μουσική άλλος τομέας!

[tolisssss]

@andrewcomplainer wraios!! symfwnw... ki egw an pataw sthn tyxh notes sto piano mou de shmainei pws kanw mousikh.... atonikh mousikh kai paparies... exei ksefygei o kosmos kai to xei dei kai poly koultoura milame... se ligo 8a kanoume pinakes me ena kouva mpogia kai ta ypoloipa 8a axnofainontai!!!!

[scitsalcoryp]

Ya dernt lika zenakersz ?

Fuqk nyerzelf..

Whwe Good Ouzo !

[GrauenausderTiefe]

wow. thats beautiful. i did not expect it to be so beautiful.

[sweeney665]

το κλασσικους το εννοουσα με την εννοια της καταξιωσης οχι της περιοδου. το θεμα μου ειναι οτι ολα πλεον τα "μη κατηγοριοποιησιμα" ειναι ολα avant garde, δεν μπορεις να μου κοτσαρεις τον ορο αυτο σε καθε περιπτωση σαν δικαιολογια. ταπεινη δεν ειναι, ειναι απλα η λογικη του οτι αυτο το πραγμα που ακους δεν ειναι παρα ενα πειραμα μαθηματικων νομων και φυσικης. δεν ειναι μουσική, και ποσο μαλλον οταν ποζαρει στον ορχηστρικο χωρο,σαν κομματι συγχρονου "συνθετη".

[buenobus]

an ascending staircase of plangent post-war angst!

[sweeney665]

αυτα ειναι μαλακιες, εγω αυτο ξερω,αν ο ξενακης και ο στοκχαουζεν θεορουνται οι μουσικες ιδιοφυιες του 20ου αιωνα τοτε μαλλον ο Μοτσαρτ και ο Μπετοβεν ηταν καθυστεριμενοι. το καταλαβαμε οτι πλεον δεν υπαρχου ορια για να υπακουσεις στην μουσικη αλλα τυχαιες νοτες δεν κατατασονται στην κατηγορια μουσικη...

[redl3ss]

@sweeney665 ψόφα...

[sweeney665]

@redl3ss πανε παιξτο ψαγμενος ρε βλακα. μπορει να χει μαθηματικη συνεχεια η θεοριτικα μια ανωμαλη αρμονια αλλα αν ειναι να κανω ολοκληρομα για να την βρω γαμα το. λες και μας εφτανε το αστειο ο stockhausen, εχουμε και τον ξενακη. αλλα προσεξε πριν αρχισεις να μου λες διαφορα, τον σεβομαι απειρα και ισως μην τον φτασω ποτε αλλα δεν χωραει καν συγκριση με αλλους "κλασσικους" συνθετες.

[redl3ss]

@sweeney665 γιατί να μπεις στον κοπο να συγκρίνεις φιλε μου; η νοοτροπια σου είναι ταπεινή... σου μοιαζει για κλασσικη η μουσικη αυτη; avant garde ίσως, κλασσική με τίποτα. αυτο το κομματι θυμιζει περισσοτερο το Raining Blood παρά τη Σονάτα του Σεληνόφωτος...

[AlexanderChalaris]

@sweeney665προτίνω ο κάθε ένας να μην κρίνεί με βάση το τι είναι μουσική και το τι όχι,αλλά με το τι είναι τέχνη και το τι όχι.Χάνουμε το νόημα προσπαθόντας να αποδείξουμε κάτι το οποίο δεν αποδικνύεται.Τα έργα του Ξενάκη είναι για συγκεκριμένο κοινό που ζητάει αυτή την την μορφή τέχνης,αν σε κάποιον δεν ερέσει μπορεί να μην το ακούσει ή να μην το ψάξει...σίγουρα ο Ξενάκης δεν είναι Μοτσαρτ,αλλά ποιός είναι Μότσαρτ??Κανείς.Ο κάθε ένας στην εποχη του είναι ξεχωριστός,η τέχνη είναι εντελέχεια.

[pianodan10]

By the way, this is awesome... thanks for the post.

[BOARBIG]

beutiful piece

[EinSofVirtuoso]

I believe that Xenakis provided the most intellectually stimulating music with his use of Physics and advanced Mathematics. Though it may not appear appealing to the ears, it is by far a means to embolden such concepts through sound.

[Flantastic13]

Wow. Why do people have such a problem with this piece?

[debussy842]

Words can't describe how shitty this is. I love how he claimed his music had to do with functions, parabolas, subsets, calculus, or whatever other bullshit excuse he could come up with to excuse this garbage and his inability to produce music. Bach's counterpoint can easily be associated with mathematics and no one hard him pretending to be some math genius. And Xenakis was a civil engineering ASSISTANT, not a mathematician, physicist, or statistician. I have the same degree. He's a fraud.

[John11inch]

Well, I don't know what to think any more. Was taking a look through your channel and saw your comments all over Rihanna and Beyonces' videos, and realize that if you can listen to music like that, you've certainly transcended the philistine musings of Xenakis, so your opinion must be worth something.

[debussy84]

@John11inch Yawn, your idol sucks and can't compose worth shit. As you should have figured out by now I have 2 accounts as you've already replied to both. My debussy84 has a load of favourited classical and posts for some years now on classical, which i'm assuming you decided to ignore. It's not my problem you consider yourself above mainstream music and indulge in this crap like some intellectual. I'd rather listen to Justin Beiber than this trash. This is trash. Trigonometry music??? LOL!!

[John11inch]

I'm sure you would rather listen to Justin Bieber. When you say something like that, that's how we know to take your opinions seriously.

[aculturemind]

@debussy842

Dude. Why are you wiggin? (Incidentally, John used behave very like you have here. You might take note of his current responses.)

@John

You've tempered. Good show. Incidentally, note the treble figure at 2:44. This is exactly the pitch and very closely the rhythmic content in Wolpe's Broken Sequences (1969) at 1:09. A quotation here, I wonder?

[John11inch]

Thanks, mom. I've always just been so distraught over not having your approval, and now that I do, we can both go to bed feeling good tonight; me for having that approval of yours, and you for thinking you're in a position to give it, in any sort of valuable fashion.

[aculturemind]

@John11inch

Thank you for your humor, dear. Now, about that potential quotation......?

[John11inch]

Alternatively, go fuck yourself.  And to answer your insignificant question, I seriously doubt it.

[BOARBIG]

@debussy842 I've got a degree both in mathematics and music theory and I can assure you that he was simply a composer.He used mathematical models in order to create new means of composition, do acoustic research, analysis and to produce new souns.After some research he composed just like any normal composer does/did. He left and immense amount of super important theoretic material. But the use of mathematics doesn't make him superior, it just makes him different. I may enjoy it or not.

[debussy843]

@BOARBIG And since he wasn't of superior intelligence, it begs the question as to why no one, even with a similar educational background to you that study his music, cannot fit a model to it. What is he doing in the the piece above, for instance, can anyone tell me??? I believe he relied heavily on computer assisted composition, which explains the sound. ALL the great piano composers performed their pieces live, interesting he never did. He couldn't duplicate this if his life depended on it.

[John11inch]

Nobody said that he wasn't of superior intelligence, nor did anyone equate the value of someone's compositions directly to one's intelligence. Anyone with the ability to look up information can "fit a model to it"; some people just don't care. Likewise, from the "intelligence" displayed in your comments, I'm quite sure you would not be able to analyze the works of Bach or Mozart. And certainly not Debussy.

[John11inch]

Also, I don't recall Debussy being a particularly adept pianist. Your second "argument" is idiotic; by this "logic", Beethoven's violin sonatas are bad compositions because Beethoven was not an adept violinist. Many of his compositions did not require actual computers, by the way; your ignorance, in comparison to how indignantly secure you are in your opinions, is quite startling. You've scored another blocked account, and from this point forward, your comments will be deleted and unread.

[pianodan10]

@John11inch Not to butt in, and certainly not to start an argument, but Debussy was by all accounts a virtuoso of the highest order with a particular talent for improvisation; Like many of the great composers he was one of the leading pianists of his day, as opposed to Ravel who could admittedly not play his most difficult pieces.

I agree with everything you've said, just about, and I just wanted to clear that up.

[wangdasan]

@John11inch

Man, you should read up. Debussy had chops and performed for the same patron that took care of Tchaikovsky.

[BOARBIG]

@debussy843 Maybe this composition comes across as farfetched. Maybe not as good as Scriabin. Maybe it's not the best or the most essential piano piece ever but I enjoy it anyway.Moreover, it's obviously not the best piece of music he has ever wrote. For instance such vocal compositions as Nuits and especially Serment-Orkos are quite unique and "musical". The only thing that can come close to these is Ligeti's Lux Aeterna .

[gamotousername]

Xenakis was born and raised in Greece and left at age 25. I have relatives that left for USA Germany and Canada but they are Greeks 100%!! I also have cousins born in Germany but hey they are Greeks too!

Xenakis changed the way we see music the last 45 years because he was the one who created COMPUTER GENERATED MUSIC!! Every pop song you listen is computer generated!!!

[John11inch]

Yes, he is Greek. But he is a French composer, if you understand what I mean.

[bariolaje]

@gamotousername actually xenakis was born in romania...

[LackingLack0]

this piece is nice and actually quite melodic harmonic and even rhythmic.

[vkissas]

@John11inch fuck you bitch he is a greek composer.....

[John11inch]

Actually, he's a French Composer =)

[fivakis15]

@John11inch maybe but he is a greek you can see it because of his name

[ZeagleFiend]

@John11inch No, he was ethnically Greek, and illegally immigrated to France. Living somewhere doesn't make you a native of that place.

[John11inch]

That's like saying Shaq is an African. Also, whether he is ethnically Greek is inconsequential; I'm ethnically Italian and Czech, but I am American. He did all his writing and studying in France, with French composers, spoke French, his music has French directions, and even did most of his architectural work in France. By your logic, why isn't he an American composer? He did a lot of writing while working at Indiana.

[ctimur]

great piece! thanks for uploading it!

[Michaelslayer1]

ti mazonaki re vlaka oloi autoi ploutarhos terzhs klp einai skoupidia

[XVAGOSX1]

Akouste re kanena Iorgo mazonaki na strosetai floria!

[John11inch]

In English?

[XVAGOSX1]

@John11inch I cant understand what u find at this song! Hear greek music!

[ThyReaperGrim]

@XVAGOSX1 Ahahahaha, look at this retarded troll that he wasn't even taught to speak English, hahaha. You are a real loser if you actualy tell us to listen to your shit instead of THIS. This song is epic. And if you don't understand it get lost.

Χαχαχαχα, ναι και εγω Ελληνας ειμαι, αλλα οχι βλαχαντερε καγκουρας σαν εσενα. Ουστ ρε.

[devoid555]

@XVAGOSX1 inta mazonaki re esy???o atalantos

[XVAGOSX1]

@devoid555 paradeigma edwsa!

[trickm79]

@XVAGOSX1 re papara poso malakas borei na eisai? o mazonakis stin teliki einai tragoudiaris re abale! autos einai sinthetis re axriste. Pigaine mia stin pegy na rikseis kana garoufalo reeeeeeeeee KKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGG­GGGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRR­RRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[XVAGOSX1]

@trickm79 Ante gamisouy re skatoflore pou vrizeis apo to pc! An meneis athina stis 4 so gipaido sto pagrati! Mounaki!

[trickm79]

@XVAGOSX1 4 na einai oi ores sou Tourkospore

[XVAGOSX1]

@trickm79 Tourkosporos einai aytos pou gamise tin mana sou kompleksikpo floraki 15axrono!

[vkissas]

@XVAGOSX1 fige vre bouzoukogamhte laikogamhte...kakogamhmene teleutaie....kefteda amorfwte.....trava na gamhseis kana pethameno pou thes na asxolitheis kai me th coultoura....xaliarh

[XVAGOSX1]

@vkissas o teleyteos eisai esy me ayta pou les! Malakes kopleksika florakia pou ena sxolio egrapsa kai arxisate polemo! Malakismena apo to pc kseretai na vrizetai! Egw re mouni akouw kai exw alli gnomi gia tin mousiki! To mazonaki to egrapsa gia plaka den akouw! Rock akouw kai pezw se dikia mou banda vre zown!

[vkissas]

@XVAGOSX1 mpes sto kanali mou giwtomalo kai des ta video mou na deis pws paizetai h kithara asxete...kai ase pou exeis banta ti na th akneis papaknstatninou paizeis kai metallica pou kai pou xwris ta sola....kefteda...

[XVAGOSX1]

@vkissas Den tha mou matheis esu kithara re bastardi? Asxetai lei to thyma pou vrizei apo to pc! Exe xari malaka poou den menw athina giati tha se eixa skotosei bastarde! Papakostadinou kai metalika lei o teliomenos!

[vkissas]

@XVAGOSX1 skata sto tafo ths manas sou poustara pes pou eisai na erthw egw palioaderfh se gamouse o apteras otan hsouna mikros gia auto egines vazelos...aima kai peion sto tafo ths manas sou...afou de meneis athina kwloarxido magies mesw net pes pou eisai na rthoume emeis.....bastarde tourkospore agamhte pou pairneis mati thn aderfh sou...karkinos se esena kai thn oikogeneia sou...

[XVAGOSX1]

@vkissas Pou na se vroun ola ta kaka pou iparxoun re mouni...karkinos se oti sou xei minei zontano egw menw xania opote thes re POUTANAS GIE ELA BASTARDE...exw kanei mounopano 3 xronakia filaki alla deka gia to fono sou mouni den me enoxloun!!!! Den asteieyomai tha se pari o diaolos me katalabes? Kane to stayro sou na min se vrw! Tha sou bgalw ta dontia kai tha sta dosw na ta fas!!! OUTANAS GIE FLORE GAMW TON PIREA SOU!

[John11inch]

In English or gtfo; enough of this Greek shit.

[XVAGOSX1]

@John11inch Nothing forget it!

[John11inch]

In English or gtfo; enough of this Greek shit.

[jatwell55]

This is the first 3 staves (there are 3 more) of page 6 of the score. Re the long stems with few or no note heads: "Dans tout ce passage et des semblables à celui-ci, les durées des notes sont maximales dans la mesure du possible, sauf indication 'peu sec' 'sec' ou 'très sec'." "Throughout this and similar passages the notes are to be held as long as possible, except when 'peu sec' 'sec' or 'très sec' is indicated." Later, 'maximales' and 'sec' notes occur AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME CHORD.

[tokumas]

@perry1559 Thanks for the information, Yes, you are absolutely right. I'm not saying this music has wrongness. I just thought it would be awesome if it was written with some sort of mathmatic formulars or theories like the theory of probability. He might have written this song randomly with his sense, but it sounds like his purpose wasn't just avoiding western traditional harmony intentionally. So I thought there might be hidden patterns or rules in this songs. Because It sounds somehow logical.

[u89worlds]

sounds like boulders under a powerful sky

[mahler151]

Added to my MP3 player. It's a great modern composition and one of Xenakis' finest pieces, especially the opening.

[tokumas]

So,,, this is his interpretation of "mists". The sound makes me imagine. Does someone know if he used any mathmatic progressions for this composition?

[cantabileh]

@tokumas Xenakis himself is also a mathematician and an architect. 

[tokumas]

@cantabileh That makes sense. But, I'm interested in if he uses any particular mathmatic formulars for this song or not.

[perry1559]

@tokumas Yes. He had a book called "Formalized Music" in which he explains his math. It looks more like an advanced set theory textbook and I was told by a mathematician friend of mine that it was all wrong. That doesn't matter though, it's the truth content of the art that results from whatever "system" one might use rather than it's "correctness" . Does it matter whether Messiaen's bird transcript[ions are really accurate renderings of birdsong?

[tokumas]

@perry1559 yeah, also, the music itself as a result is more important than what method the artist uses. But, analyzing the structure isn't just a waste especially for future composers. A genious might instantly capture and understand what's going on abstractly though.

[perry1559]

@tokumas He wrote a book about that, "Formalized Music", about which I was reliably informed the math was all wrong. It looks more like some advanced math textbook than anything else. So what? Would anyone have taken Messiaen to task because his birdsong "transcriptions" might somehow be inaccurate?

[skepticxjellytot]

I love his use of creative notation; that is to say the reinvention of musical representation in order to get across what he wanted. It really opens up a lot of music to people who can't or are intimidated by traditional sheet music. He places a brilliant emphasis on the visual aspect to composition and how laborous transcribing sheet music is!

But then I guess that's what you get when you cross an architect with a musician :) Thanks for uploading!

[monchisani]

i find this music very intriguing and beautilful :) i love how this was interpreeed in la torurette it creates a very nice experience in the corridors

[sousukesagaraJKD]

I'm in love with Xenakis!

[japanesesweet]

It`s tricky-i looked at the score the other day.

I could be mistaken,but unlike alot of his piano music you don`t have to rewrite it ie.miss out notes which are impossible etc.

[Vook]

Is this just one page of the score?

Also, what do the long stems represent?

I'm really curious...because unlike the other things from him I've heard, this one actually sounds doable to me. :P

[John11inch]

Firstly, a. r. is much more playable than this from a technical perspective.

Secondly, the stems represent a static flow of time... markers, so to speak. The notes are then placed in relation to the staves in an unconventional manner, allowing Xenakis to notate extremely complex rhythms in a much less rigid form; for instance, many (most) of the notes do not even lie on the stems, being placed very specifically in relationship to the "beat" that the stems represent.

[JPXU1966]

@Vook they are actually notes thai has no heads

[chaskoca]

nice¡¡¡

[sutphoe]

Its not the hardest piece to listen to in the world.

[NERDFREAKINGPOWER]

just beautiful

[TheGuyFromThatMovie]

Beautiful. I do okay with simple algebra, but that's about as deep as I get into the world of mathematics. Still, you don't have to be a mathematician to feel the numbers working here. I especially like the first section.

The piece doesn't sound like chaos at all to me.

[MageAtYou]

@TheGuyFromThatMovie you're asking for someone to tell you how special you are..fucking disgusting

[John11inch]

@MageAtYou

Not really. You confuse special with average. You just think it's "special" because that's more convenient, what with your incapability to grasp this making you below-average, as opposed to below-special.

[TheGuyFromThatMovie]

@MageAtYou you're letting the bile of your own bias warp your interpretation of my comment...I don't feel much one way or the other about it.

[mrfish60035]

i love these videos to follow along with the madness >:)

[spectropirate]

Xenakis was such a badass!

[ienjoypuppies]

why is it so popular to hate on xenakis?

he did what all composers do. he composed. get the fuck over it.

its not his fault we live in a world where if music isnt what YOU like then its shit.

Get an open mind fags

[John11inch]

I think I like you 8)

[Robohurt]

so do i

[FranzofL]

Many people think that it's rather musically unconvincing... It's not quite "easy" listening like you'd expect of typical Schumann or Chopin... You have to listen closely to hear the music. It's there, just most people can't recognize it...

I can't say I enjoy it too much... I'd much rather listen to something that doesn't involve straining to hear the music in it...

To each his own...

Apples and oranges...

Not quite my cup of tea...

...I do respect it though...

--Franz of L

[John11inch]

This post receives thumbs up as well 8)

[kamiljj]

@FranzofL :areed, but then there will always be that group of critics who will label certain compositions brilliant despite them being musically-"garbage", only because they originated from an avantgarde artist. Not my cup of tea, my head actually hurts from listening to this...that never happening when enjoying REAL music..

[syr1811]

@ienjoypuppies Is it really popular for music majors (I'm assuming) to hate on shit like this? I just Love the music, I don't know, but seems like a rather insane waste of time. Do they want him to write like Bach? I don't understand. This is amazing shit - full of Everything!

Fuck 'em, but a little curious . . .

[intervalkid]

@ienjoypuppies

Dude. That's called opinion. It's part of human communication.

[debussy84]

@ienjoypuppies "get an open mind fags" Irony noted. Xenakis is hated on because his music simply sucks. This sounds EXACTLY like when I used to fool around on the piano as a child and just hit a bunch of notes.

[John11inch]

Xenakis is hated on because comparatively uncultured people have nothing better to do with their days than convince themselves that vindicating their misunderstanding of him by superficially, and with malicious ignorance and, typically, a pointed lack of wit or insight, dismissing his work makes them worthy of not having to understand it and/or that ego-auto-fellatio they do seem to love.

[YoYoHall]

@John11inch Actually there was a paper written on how atonal music actively undermines what we listen for in music.

[John11inch]

@YoYoHall

Oh really? A paper? As in one paper? Don't you think that there have been *many* papers stating such? And *many* papers stating the opposite? The fact that one paper says something doesn't mean anything at all.

[705JRC]

@YoYoHall And by "what WE listen for in MUSIC" you mean "what the establishment thinks of traditional tonal Western music." Obviously how one listens to this is not the same as how one listens to Beethoven. How boring to think there is only one way to listen to all music, and if other music doesn't fit your narrow parameters of "listenable," it's suddenly a threat... stop trolling around and go listen to your Bach.

[stokepogue]

@John11inch Don't turn his work into a political party. Who cares what others think.

[John11inch]

@stokepogue

If people shouldn't care about what other people think, then you shouldn't be bothering to comment.

[1989Anarquia]

@debussy84 Then you should have recorded yourself then, you were a genius! Now you have only rotten. :)

[Lewelltam]

@ienjoypuppies

Get an open mind fags.

Hmmm, there's a tension to that sentence somehow.

[DillonDemas]

this music isn't about math or some crazy method. its about imagination, as all music is. no matter how it was made, it came out as a song, and songs have no rules. i think that to appreciate xenakis you dont have to be some progressive music snob, you just have to have a weird, scary imagination. if you cant think of horrible things, you cant appreciate this music. thats how i enjoy it, anyway.

[Sheepliner]

Xenakis was also a mathematician if I'm not mistaken.

[John11inch]

He was.

[golafs]

architect & engineer ;)

[cephalopod]

I think that people are too quick to say that Xenakis' music is 'scary' or 'horror' music... sometimes (rarely) it is, definitely, but I think that comes from the complete alien dissociation from humanity that his methods entailed... the universe's immensity and utter disregard for humanity is where any sense of dread should stem from I think.. his music reflects that nicely in a way that no one else's possibly can.

[CoreOgg]

sure, but he also had his face blown off, so I think he was acquainted with a fair amount of horror. But then, I think his music IS humanistic, so who am I to say anything?

I like what you say here about the universes disregard for humanity though.I saw a snake eating a frog recently,he had half the frog i its mouth and was swallowing it slowly, alive.The frog was obviously sort of desperate,making weird sounds.its not just us that the universe ignores in our pain,and snakes have to eat...

[ownage1810]

Can someone explain me the math that Xenakis applies to this and other pieces. I like, simply like, these pieces, but many seem to bring up math when it comes to enjoying these pieces. And now I find myself curious about the structure in the chaos.

[235yf]

Search referces to : Prime numbers,Pitagora,Fibonacci,Gau­ss,Euler,Riemman...

[gkhmyl]

I hear random noise?

Somehow i think if math and music are connected its not in the way used here.

Feel free to argue with me if u have a point

[pianist7137]

Wow I lovee these pieces.. Does anyone know a website that I can get the scores from?

[InfinityeXpress]

This is okay.. i mean im not that big into Xenakis...but i like the way he conveys his style of 12 tones.

[John11inch]

This is not 12-tone.

[scottturner1994]

This piece is extremely difficult to play, in my opinion. You have irrational rhythms in both hands, played simultaneously(and they are often somewhat nasty, such as 7 and 5)

[japanesesweet]

wow! i like the way the piano is recorded.

usually i don't like too close/dry but it works for this piece.

[hexatonico]

excelent piece! thanks for uploading!!!!!!

[LackingLack0]

we should all go to john11inch's videos and make fun of the dopes who criticize them

john11inch kicks ass and his videos are AMAZINGLY GREAT MUSIC

[John11inch]

I could get behind this 8)

[scriabinwasmydad]

I simply love all music. If people don't appreciate modern piano music its simply because people have this belief that art should only be structured in certain ways, whereas art allows us all infinitely to complete freedom of expression. Some people just have limited taste.. Some of my ex-friends from music school could'nt even stand Scriabin who is not at all truly modern. Since then I thought for sure some people cannot appreciate anything!

[herma57]

Aki Takahashi is incredible no matter what she plays. . . thanks John, Xenakis is always interesting, wish there was more interviews with him. . .

[kugelschreiber09]

welcome to 2008

[GreggaryPeccary]

I'm enjoying this. Found some stimulating stuff on your channel. Good work!

[davidjb100]

Wow.... I can only say one thing: Why? Why take such a beautiful instrument and use it to play that? What a waste. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but honestly, how can anyone consider this garbage music? Horrific.

[John11inch]

Music has evolved, just like humans have evolved from brainless animals.

Evolve, or admit to the pantheon of useless chimpanzees who parrot the dismerits of modern art because it does not satisfy you on the most vomit-inducingly simplistic levels and notions of "pretty"; you belong to this group, for this is the only way in which you are capable of enjoying art. Would you like a banana?

[nadavnaz2]

Well said!

[John11inch]

It's a banana vs. chess. Your analogy is stupid, insufficient and inconsequential to any sort of point I made; I can only hope your apparently admitted simian brain can deduce this.

How can a piece of music "disrespect" something? Is there a "law of fundamentals"? Or, a "law of harmonics?" Did you mean harmony? This piece is actually quite rhythmic; do you even know what that means?

And, no. You get no ice cream.

[jongpilyun]

Unnatural food of gene modifications? Look up the naturalistic fallacy. Greater power of sustaining life... the hell?