I tell u wht i think about this dumb shit if u dont like it dont use electric its crazy tht people go out and work ever day to give some dumb son of a bitch like them electric
@grizzly3883 As far as Nally & Hamilton, you might search for the video "Harlan County Fish Pond" about Elmer Lloyd, who lives below a Nally and Hamilton mine. There are coal companies that act responsibly, there is some land that has been put to good use after mining. But the vast majority of it - about 95 percent - is never developed, its just a wasteland. Without the trees and the forest, the communities below the mine get flooded.
Why don't you show the finished and reclaimed sites? The ones where we've built housing developments, golf courses, sports complexes, airports, etc. Showing these pictures is like someone showing pictures of a surgeon's work in the middle of an operation. It looks gruesome, but after the operation is complete and the patient has recovered, it looks good. Also, the elk population that thrived in this region, Eastern Kentucky, has been returned thanks to mountain top development.
@mc3306 The mixed-mesophytic forests of Appalachia are the most biologically diverse temperate hardwood forests in the world. Replacing lush forests with fescue and lespedeza is a complete degradation of the ecosystems that provide wildlife habitat and fresh clean water to millions of people.
I am aware of the Stonecrest golf course, the airports, the prisons and the elk - the elk program is a greenwashing program by the coal companies and Fish and Wildlife cronies to make MTR look good.
I agree with your comments. I know of one case in east Kentucky where there was a 4 foot vain of coal they removed the top of the mountain and the coal paid for the excavation. they then built a wal-mart and kroger on the sight. It was done smart as far as I know. All though in most cases from what I've seen there is no responsibility in what they are doing. I very opposed to that.
Then we have a problem. I mean after all if I hurt your kids would you stop me? We can do things responsible. We have too. It always cost us more to do the right thing. In everything. But, we must do things right. I love the mountains. I love the people. but, hey I love electricity too. Anyway thanks for letting me step up on a soap box for a minute.
@VTWIN2005 Welcome to the You Tube soap box. Thanks for your comments. Just to be clear, I am adamantly opposed to mountaintop removal mining.
As far as property rights, everyone is for the right to do with their own property whatever they want ... until their neighbor decides to start a scrap metal yard next door. The problem with this mining is that folks living below the mine are getting flooded, because there are no trees to soak up the rainfall.
The thing wrong with this country is most of us are extremist. Extremist evern when it makes no sense. Mountainjustice you don't want to destroy the mountains now do you? Of course not. We just have to find ways that protect everyone. Yes even the animals. I want to leave the planet even better for my Children. If the strip mind on your property does everything it can to protect the environment I'm on your side. However, If the strip mine on your property is destroying my drinking water. Then..
You know, I'm a Kentuckian. I'm a republican. I'm a hunter. Fisherman. I believe in states rights. I believe in property rights. Their are somethings here that are not just cut and dry. I don't have a right to do to whatever i want on my land. I can't pour oil on the ground after I change my own oil. I have no problem with a strip mine. However, Every construction sight must control runoff. You don't have a right to run my drinking water just so you can have farmland where your mountain use to b
@stanford70 - Right, the are required by the surface mining law SMCRA to restore the land to a "higher and better condition" with a "diverse vegetative cover." Unfortunately this is not happening - they only hydroseed the mine site, usually with non-native species like fescue. They are supposed to plant trees, but industry pressure on government regulators allows them to get away with improper reclamamtion. For more info, google the "Appalachian Regional Reforestation Initiative"
@stanford70 The land is reclaimed how the owner of the surface states. If the owner of the land wants flat seeded land when they are done, that is how it is left. If they want it treed then it is. You should be looking at some of the land owners if you don't like the way it looks.
@MsRailroader - The law (SMCRA) requires the land to be reclaimed to a "higher and better condition" than previous to the mining. It also requires a "diverse vegetative cover." Turning forests into grasslands is a violation of federal law.
@mountainjustice Sorry, as relayed by The Division of Abandoned Mine Lands for Reclamation: It is the PROPERTY OWNER'S decision/choice to either have the property reclaimed or not, and if so to the PROPERTY OWNER'S satisfaction. What you speak of is mining on GOVERNMENT OWNED lands. Please make a call and verify this information so you know the facts for yourself. That is one of the "benefits" to have your land coaled, usable flat plantable/livestock grassland after.
@MsRailroader This is incorrect. I just read the 1977 federal surface mining law SMCRA and it makes no distinction between federally-owned and private lands. All land must be reclaimed according to SMCRA. The land must be covered with a "diverse, effective, and permanent vegetative cover of the same seasonal variety native to the area of land to be affected and capable of self-regeneration and plant succession at least equal in extent of cover to the natural vegetation of the area" (p. 82)
@mountainjustice LOL OK, think whatever you want.You are attempting to read a manual that you obviously do not comprehend.Please call The Division of Abandoned Mine Lands for Reclamation.Pose the question to the ACTUAL DEPARTMENT that handles it.Mr. Petrey is able to answer your questions (606)330-2085.I DO know that MY LAND is being reclaimed as I SEE FIT.FLAT and GRASS.MY land, MY choice.Talk to the actual dept. You're not going to like what he says.At least you will have the facts.OK bye bye
@mountainjustice Unless you are a Mineral Rights Attorney or a Federal Judge, you do not have the knowledge base to make an opinion on one section of this law.I know you really want what you believe to be true, but it's not. Take a moment and call the department that is responsible for enactment of this law.They are in the best position to tell you how it reads. At least when you find your wrong, you will know the truth.Do you really believe this law has been blatantly ignored for over 30 years?
@MsRailroader Many aspects of SMCRA have not been enforced since it was enacted in 1977. Thats one reason why so many citizens are concerned with mountaintop removal.
If you are considering reclaiming your land with grass like Kentucky 31 fescue, be sure and research Fescue Toxicosis, which is caused by a fungus that grows on some fescue. It causes abortions in pregnant mares and other health problems in beef cattle. Despite its name, Kentucky 31 Fescue is not native to Kentucky.
@mountainjustice I'm sure if the law read how you wish it did, tree huggers like you would be in front of the Courts attempting to have them enforced.Citizens are "concerned" because they don't have a slice of the pie.
I'm sure you mean well with the attempt to inform about the different ground covers, rest assure I do my homework. If Kentucky 31 fits my needs, that is what I will use. Scare tactics don't work with me. With more than 8 generations in Kentucky, I'm sure we know what is native.
@tra612 - Hunting, gathering mushrooms, ramps, ginseng, black cohosh, yellow root, plus providing clean water for fishing. These mountains provide drinking water for much of the eastern US, including the Ohio River, a drinking water source for 3 million people, and the Cumberland River, Nashville's water. Atlanta and Charlotte almost ran out of water a few years ago. Once they mine the mountain, the springs dry up.
I have workerd in the strip mining business for 38 years, I am a well qualified core driller, and work for over 20 different business's up in eastern kentucky and eastern tennessee area. Do not listen to these people and dont end strip mining!
You damn hippy tree huggin som bitches. Shut the fuck up n let em get the coal out. If not for us surface miners you fools would be living lights out. Support mining be American
@rickjames812 - Appalachian coal can be mined using underground mining instead of mountaintop removal. Heavy equipment workers on strip sites can be put to work reclaiming the land and fixing past damage to streams. This plan will create many new jobs since underground mining is much more labor-intensive than mountaintop removal, and improve water quality for all Kentuckians for fishing, swimming and drinking.
@mountainjustice And underground mining is 50% less effective yielding on average 50-60% of the coal. It is also WAY more dangerous for the workers with death being ever present, unlike with mountaintop mining. I take it you prefer a pretty tree than a live worker.
@MsRailroader - There was a terrible accident at the UBB mine in WV last year, a Massey mine that had hundreds of safety violations. Massey's greedy CEO Don Blankenship cares more about profits than worker safety.
In 2009, 2008 and 2007 there were actually more deaths at surface mines than at underground mines. See my video "Walker CAT says Yes Coal" for photos of accidents at surface mines.
@mountainjustice How many of the workers reported these violations or refused to work with violations in place? It's not only the CEO of the mines, but the actions of the miners just trying to feed and house their families. How many workers show up stoned or drunk? Many. How many are sent home? None. I'm from a long line of miners. Ask a miner if they would rather work on top or underground. Says it all.And tell me how you are powering up your computer. By magic? Nuclear or Coal? I choose coal.
@MsRailroader - Come on. Underground miners are usually afraid to report safety violations because if they do, they will be fired.
If there are miners showing up for work in an intoxicated condition, that is terrible. No one should be operating such dangerous machinery while intoxicated. I worked 20 years in industry and this kind of thing was never tolerated at any factory that I worked at.
But I dont see what this has to do with mountaintop removal being a bad thing ...
@mountainjustice I'm curious, are you a miner? How many in your family are? If you say no or none, then you really can't make comments about mining. My 1st cousin was just injured in a mine accident. Thats the recent. My Grandpa was in Bloody Harlem, thats the past. My own father left the mines so don't try to preach mine safety to me. Miners know what they are in for when they leave that sunshine behind. Instead of trying to stop mining,which you cant, why not fight the real issue, black lung.
@MsRailroader Im not a miner, and Im sorry about your cousin.
It was called "Bloody Harlan" (not Harlem) because the coal companies were using violence (gun thugs) to keep the miners from organizing a union in the 1920's - not because of injuries in the mines - although of course there were many more injuries and deaths back then. You might appreciate the documentary film "Harlan County USA," you can watch the trailer on You Tube. Great film.
@mountainjustice You made my point, you are not a miner. You do not understand the conditions. Bloody Harlem was to bring in the union to force the companies to adhere to proper safety rules AND to provide adequate living arraignments. I don't need a documentary, I can just speak with family. And as far as my cousin, he'll learn to keep his head down. Not all injuries in the mines are because of the company. You do realize MTM will not stop. Only outsiders like you don't want it.
@MsRailroader - its HARLAN not Harlem! Harlem is in New York City. The city in Kentucky where they mine coal is spelled H-A-R-L-A-N.
And thanks but Im not an outsider, I live in Kentucky. The real outsiders are ICG (owned by billionaire Wilbur Ross of New York City), Peabody Coal (based in St Louis) and Arch Coal (based in St Louis). Massey is based in Richmond Virginia, 300 miles from the coalfields.
@mountainjustice Too Funny. I know how its spelled and HARLEM NEW YORK CITY is NOT A TOWN. Yes, you are an outsider. You do not have any relations to mining nor do you own any land that is being mined. I would also bet you MOVED to Kentucky not too long ago. I'm enjoying them turning my mountain top into flat usable land. I also enjoy the LARGE SUMS OF CASH I have received. Keep crying, it will never stop. You have NO SAY in what people do with THEIR land. =D
@mountainjustice And underground mining is 50% less effective yielding on average 50-60% of the coal where as 90% with mountain top. It is also WAY more dangerous for the workers with death being ever present, unlike with mountaintop mining. I take it you prefer a pretty tree than a live worker.
@rickjames812 -- In the early 60s there were 250,000 W. Va coal miners; Today there are about 12,000. It's not about 'jobs', is it? It's not even about 'saving' the timber industry, since MOST of the hardwood forests destroyed by MTR were pushed into the valleys and buried, and for what? Short term profits mostly benefitting the coal industry and corrupt politicians. Meanwhile, downstream effects of poisoned rivers, wrecked communities, damaged lives will be an enduring legacy of folly & greed.
@rickjames812 : Heck yea man! Im tried of these tree huggers talking about mt. top removal destroying the enviroment. After they get the coal out they reclame the land. witch means they plant trees and grass. They also put in ways for water to get threw down to the valley. Heck, my dad talks about seeing bears, elk, foxes, deer, and even turkey. If you go ask anyone who hunts near an old strip job they will tell you thats the place to hunt for turkey. DON'T HATE IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACTS!!!!!
@ mountainjustice- i appreciate the fact that you didnt say any thing about the typos. The main reason that I support MTR is because that is how my family makes a living, my opinion on the matter will most likley never be changed, as i am sure that yours will not be either. So I must say, lets just agree to disagree.
@mountainjustice- we have a huge difference in opinion when it comes to this subject, obviously. If i have 1000 acres of mountains that are otherwise useless to me and i can allow it to be mined for so many millions, im gonna taje the money. But that is just me. But that is what makes this country great is that we can have this sifference in opinions.
It is as simple as this, the land being mined is private property and therefore the owners of the property are free to do with it as they want. If they want to mine it by MTR practices then it is their right to do so. These are not "our" mountains, they are individually owned mountains.
@TheDirtWarriors - The impacts of this kind of mining affect the quality of life for surrounding property owners through increased noise, blasting, flooding, dust etc - as well as the quality of water for the people who like to fish or drink the water downstream. Property rights arguments do not apply to this situation.
@TheDirtWarriors -- Then own-up to the ruin, destruction & true costs that these 'private' property owners have inflicted on everybody downstream. You can start by educating yourself on the larger issues involved, and stop framing the controversy in your oversimplistic either-or terms that privelege your opinion as the only one of merit.
It is as simple as this, the land being mined is private property and therefore the owners of the property are free to do with it as they want. If they want to mine it by MTR practices then it is their right to do so. These are not "our" mountains, they are individually owned mountains.
I just went to an open pit mine. And Im not sure if I agree with all mining projects but some are okay if they benefit the population as a whole but if only a few ppl are getting rich at the expense of destroying nature. Then I do not agree!
@Karrowt, hahaha. Wow, you are as racist and cowardly as I had experienced ALL people from Mass. to be. If any single one of you Kennedy-central clowns came to KY, you would never make it back to your miserable hateful existance. And I spelled one word wrong, the word wrong in fact. I bet you are too much of a coward to go to Roxbury and say that horrible word. I thought we were supposed to be the ignorant racists. Nope, ALWAYs the New England idiots. New England is Babylon.
@Karrowt, hey, I go to school in Cambridge, and I am from Kentucky. We are not all hicks. I bet you aren't even allowed in Cambridge, because it is for intellectuals. You are laughing at us because we do not tolerate homosexuals like the ones running rampant in Mass. and your feelings are hurt. Where do you live? Probably Roxbury or Dorchester in the hood with all the other hateful idiots. I would love to meet you in Nov. when I come back to Mass. to show you how we treat cowards in KY.
@Karrowt, you cannot be civil and spell civil wroing you moron. I go to school in Mass and you all are some of the most hateful, self-serving, ignorant fools in our country. Of course Mass is laughing, it is home to a bunch of coward homosexuals. Hey, I come back up there in November, maybe you should give me your address so I can show you how people from KY beat the shit out of cowards like yourself?
why are most (if not all) of the male "activist" against coal mining, gay? Real men arent trying to take away peoples jobs in Appalachia. Coal Miners just extract the resources that the good Lord gave us which helps keep America secure by reducing dependence on foreign oil and providing cheap electricity...even while Obama tries everyday to figure out a way to weaken our country and redistribute wealth. God Bless the Coal Miners, their families, and the businesses that depend on them.
@bigapple2625, you are a true homophobe. Where is your data suggesting that people who don't want their mountains ripped apart for some selfish bigot prick living in filth and greed in New York are in fact gay? And it is a proven fact that most homophobic men, like yourself, are indeed homosexuals. So stay in Babylon, aka, New York, and keep your filthy gay mouth shut. Real men love God and care about his Creation. Meaning you are probably not even a man at all.
The people who aren't miners but their jobs depend on mining. For every miner that gets layed off (due to you damn tree huggers) 23 other people also get layed off or fired. Oops there goes them tax dollars you love so much. I say mind your own business and leave ours alone. O yea, if you don't like coal, then don't use electricity.
@TheDirtWarriors - In 1960 there were over 120,000 miners in WV. Todays its less than 15,000. This loss of employment was caused by the coal industry's mechanization, not by Al Gore or the tree huggers. Meanwhile, areas of America that use the beauty of mountains to promote tourism-related economic development, such as east TN (i.e. Gatlinburg) and western NC are full of wealthy people, while the coal counties of WV and KY are some of the poorest counties in America.
Mountain justice. You want to bring up taxes? In kentucky alone there was over 250 million dollars in coal severemce taxes last year. Thats not to mention all the taxes taken out of our pay checks either. I get nearly 750 dollars taken out of my check each WEEK for taxes, multiply that by about 70,000 weekly, because that is how many miners there are in the eastern U.S.. Lets take that away and see how many roads get built and repaired, you idiot.
@TheDirtWarriors - Your figures are wildly inaccurate. According to Dept of Labor statistics, 80,600 people are employed in coal mining nationally, but only about 7000 work on surface mines in West Va, and about 6000 in Kentucky. Mountain Justice does not oppose underground mining, only mt top removal and steep slope strip mining. The damage to roads annually from coal transporation is estimated at over $1 billion dollars annually.
@mountainjustice, you tree hugging shit heads never stop. Ain't even thought about things. Don't even think about the fact 48% of this country's energy supply comes from coal. It don't come just from underground mines, it comes from mountaintop removal strip jobs, high wall miners, and augering. big or small operations it takes them all to meet the energy demand. But i am sure that you college "kids" have put that into consideration.
@MrKycoalminer - Thanks for the insults. Less than 10 percent of Americas coal comes from mt top removal mines. Americans use 4 times as much energy per capita than Eurpoeans, yet we have a lower quality of life. Im sure that you can look around and see electricity being wasted in your town - lights left on in empty buildings, poorly insulated houses and trailers, old appliances. We need green jobs for Appalachia, fixing old mine damage and weatherizing homes.
@MrKycoalminer go to hell. i don't care whether you're right or wrong, you're an asshole. Maybe if people listened to us "college kids" we wouldn't even need to use coal, how many perfectly viable alternative energy sources are there that coal lobbyists shoot down? Ya know how people always claim that we think we know what's best for America? Guess what! WE DO!
If there was a perfectly viable alternative energy source then we wouldn't have you to protest. There isn't another option that is why there are coal mines. I am also a college student...
@wturner0018 Nuclear Power, Wind Power, Solar Power, geothermal, methane, the list goes on. but as long as coal lobbyists keep paying the right senators, the money that could go to researching other alternatives gets diverted to coal companies and the regulators are told to "be nice"
@jamesthemaniac You honestly don't believe that. You believe there is a more economic solution? Your saying there is something that could produce a cheaper energy? Do you know how much tax dollars are spent "researching" green energies? We will be mining you will be whining its just life. You balance the logic people that work with your madness and hippie deadbeat politics. Al Gore created the internet too...
@TheDirtWarriors, it doesn't matter how many taxes you pay, you are going to hell for your views on nature and human life. So I hope they tax you so hard you cannot breathe. You have no factual evidence of your retarded claims about money either. If you have 750 dollars taken out each week, you are making a lot of money you sinful prick. The "treehuggers" will win, and you will lose hard. And I will laugh when you cannot feed yourself.
@JeffisfromKentucky, your a fucking retarted stupid bastic son of a bitch. Mother fuckers like you whine ass around no fucking reason other then you don't have any thing else to do. We know why your upset but fags like you isn't allowed to work in the coal mines. So jus keep on running your fucking lil dick suckers online here. Kentucky would be a big fucking poverty hole in the middle of the fucking untied states if it wasn't for coal mining. so you really need to quit running your dick suckers
@MrKycoalminer, hahaha. What is bastic? Fags? Just like the other guy on this post, those who accuse others of being homosexual or uses the word fags are in fact mad about their own sexuality. Why don't you go blast the top off of Brokeback Mountain there fairy boy. Just because you mine coal, spit and dip, call people fags and smoke meth doesn't make you a man at all. You are in fact a coward, and you are scared of your own sexuality. Stick to the subject, we are talking about mountains here.
@MrKycoalminer, oh yeah I almost forgot, WE ARE IN A BIG F***ING POVERTY HOLE NOW AND WE ARE MINING COAL AND DESTROYING OUR MOUNTAINS MORON! You are blind.
@JeffisfromKentucky , Your the uneducated mother fucker because you don't even realize how much money is sent to northern ky, from coal servence taxes. Do some research you stupid fuck!
@MrKycoalminer, wow, you really let everyone in here know just how ignorant and angry you are. You not only used cuss words for the majority of both of your responses (showing a real lack of knowledge of the english language) and you cannot spell any better than the rest of the backwards hillbillies that get on here and fire back at anti-MTR folks. Or many you meant to say untied states, because our nation is falling apart at the seams.
@MrKycoalminer, and I did the research jackass, that is why you go to college, to learn. If a lot of money is going to Northern Kentucky. where is it???? NKY is a craphole, ruined by rampant development and no hillside regulations. YOU do the research, or did your coal mining boss tell you "COAL KEEPS THE LIGHTS ON!" You all are like zombies with no ability to think for yourself. You should go as yourself for Halloween. A COAL ZOMBIE.
@JeffisfromKentucky , oh wow, you went to college. you are so smart now. You are just totally on a higher level then everybody on here. but the truth is that Kentucky wouldn't even have a damn wal martt if it wasn't for coal mining.Their would be no lights on at your big high class college where we all see must be ivy leauge or something because you portray so much knowledge on here. You really a gay son of a bitch!
I find it interesting that those who are so vehemently opposed do NOT live here. They claim they are suffering from acid rain yet have no science to back it up. They make many, many claims but never have any science to back it up.
Point of fact, coal is cheaper than many other forms of electricity. It is also one of our most plentiful resources. Indeed, I am quite certain many of our environmental kookie friends would not be happy with any method. We have seen it happen time and again.
@OriginalDamnYankee - Its absurd to claim that acid rain from coal-burning power plants is not a problem. Go to upstate New York and test the lakes for pH.
Coal is not so cheap when you figure in the costs of damaged roads, lowered human life expectancy, flooding ... who pays for FEMA to come in after the floods - not the coal companies - the taxpayers do. Who pays to clean up the water so its safe to drink for those of us downstream? Not the coal companies - the taxpayers do.
@OriginalDamnYankee, you do not live in these areas, some of us do. Sure, I may live in Lexington far away from the damage, but I don;t have to subject myself to this inhumanity to care about it. But some hell-bound conservative dipshit living in Yankee-land doesn't even have a set big enough to come down here and see first hand what we are doing to the oldest mountains on the planet. But keep flipping those burgers you jackass, you don't matter in this life or the next...
P.S. We also mind our own business. And the reason we repeat ourselves is because we have to, you all are to stupid to get the message the first time, " COAL KEEPS THE LIGHTS ON!"
@TheDirtWarriors, wow, you spew everything they taught you don't you? You must be a tea-bagger too. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid dipshit. There are no ice cubes in hell, so get practice by drinking the Kool-Aid warm. HAHAHA
All you tree huggers are the same. You all sound like little babies crying. I have bachelors degree and I am also very well educated, but I am also a coal miner or " strip miner." I also work with other college educated miners. The reason we chose mining rather than our degrees? 1. Heritage 2. Money 3. I work with some of the finest people in the country if not the world. So I don't want to here this crap about un-educated, we're smart enough to make more money than you damn tree huggers.
@TheDirtWarriors, if you went to college, you wouldn't keep saying "damn tree huggers" like some meth-smoking backwater piece of shit. Whatever college you went to must be real crap. NAME THE SCHOOL, THE DEGREE YOU EARNED and maybe I will look you up. But someone who is uneducated like you can say they went to school on YOUTUBE. Jackass is the best way of describing lowlife shit like you. And bachelor's degree doesn't mean much anymore anyway, but I didn't expect you to know anything about life
Well Famous i haven't even watched the Video, but i have something to say, since your against the Mining of coal, just prance your ass outside and cut the breaker off for your power, it's people like you who don't deserve the power us miners slave to provide you. Coal keeps your lights on so get used to it. and pertaining to the clean air comment you made, dont you dare drive your vehicle then, ever heard of Smog? seems to me your the ignorant individual.
@EastKyMiner21 "Coal keeps the lights on" All you miners sound the same. You`re all just broken records. You have no arguement. "Coal keeps the lights on" is all you ever say. Solar, wind, natural gas are all easier to get, more efficient, and don`t destroy the environment like your precious coal.
@ultracapitalist You realize we live in Kentucky right goof? And all the other people that mine use what's available to them? Mountains! Get it? And no, wind power, and solar power is not easier to obtain living in the mountains trust me.
@EastKyMiner21 Thank you for posting this, as it is just further proof that those who support mining are uneducated and can't read. I have already stated that I am off-the-grid and do not rely upon outside sources for electricity. And generally, I ride a bicycle to work. So, where are you trying to go with your comments? Waiting..........
@EastKyMiner21, keep drinking the Kool-Aid jackass. Your kids will come home one day and ask you why you keep hurting the earth. Are you gonna slpa them around like your daddy did you? You are a true p.o.s. and you are not a patriot or a true American. You should die as fast as possible, and the coal mining might make that happen. You are a Proud Friend of Destruction and Sin, and a Proud Retard.
And no, I do not use any coal to power anything in my off-the-grid house or my completely off-the grid business, a business that employs over 125 people. So dont bother posting that there are no solutions, because I am living the solution everyday!
Based upon the illogical, self-centered, selfish, short-sighted, delusional, ignorant, unethical, unimaginative, misinformed, and deliberately misleading comments posted by those in favor of turning Gods mountains into moon surfaces and excusing such acts as necessary, many coal miners must be gullible to CEO lies or totally uneducated or just evil opportunists who do not give a damn about clean air and water and animal habitats.
@famousPhotog - dont be too hard on them. People in the coalfields are inundated daily with billboards, TV and radio advertisements, even the public schools tell people every day how good coal is for them. Most people just cant think for themselves, they just do whatever the TV tells them to.
@mountainjustice talk about missleading what about you look at everything ya use deal with and need it all has to do with coal and as i have said in the past read up befor posting and try to use a candle to run the pc your using to type all that crap your trying to push
@famousPhotog i agree mountain top removal is wrong for the environment..but on the other side appalachia is less fortuned how many people does this employee?
@pumpy25 The manner in which coal is mined using mountain top removal requires far fewer miners than traditional tunnel mining, and that's why the coal companies have moved toward MTR. The coal companies don't exist to hire miners, they exist to take advantage of the poorly educated and to make a profit doing so, and to keep America in the 19th century as long as possible.
@famousPhotog, I am afraid these ignorant coal-supporters are a combination of all three of the assumptions you made. Gullible, yes. Uneducated, DEFINITELY. Evil, without a doubt in my mind. May God smite these idiots faster than they destroy our mountains.
man we ride dirtbikes n shit up there 24/7 thanks to the coal miners the small town supports em all and so does are whole family weve got 45 yrs in it already and still going
@cmoneyinda859, dirtbikes n shit? Wow, you do not care how stupid and redneck you sound. Of course a bunch of uneducated hicks are going to support the industry. They want computers and cellphones like the rest of us. But they don't understand that they are killing their grandchildren. But a group of morons don't think that far. Just how long it takes to fill up the dirt bike. YEEHAW! You are a seriously demented retard that will hopefully ride that dirt bike off the mountain very soon...
@JeffisfromKentucky listen here jeff? do you live in hazard??? . yes were hicks. look at were we live! ive been thru education, went to college too for diesel mechanics, so chill were not uneducated at all
.all ive ever known is dirtbikes, and coal mining.
im not dissrespecting it. im saying its a greaty payoff. we work then we ride. and the county pays to have the mountain trails were we ride payved and leveled so thay dont care if we ride :) thanks!
@cmoneyinda859, again, you uneducated prick, I don't have to live in Hazard to want OUR (they belong to Lexingtonians too idiot) mountains destroyed for a finite resource that is killing you and your children (if you even have any, it is difficult for retards to have babies). You may have gone to school, but someone has convinced you that dirtbiking and coal mining is a good thing. It is scarring the land, and wasteful to boot. Don't defend that way of life because that is all you know.
@cmoneyinda859, oh and, since you are so well educated, you probably realize that payved is spelled paved. And dissrespecting, is spelled disrespecting. You make it way too easy... Just ride that dirtbike, YEEHAW!
@JeffisfromKentucky haha kids? i work two jobs so dont you ever disrespect my family again, i dont care what the hell were talking about, im a hard ass working man dont you disrespect me like that. and hell yeah riding is fun, maybe your lazy uneducated ass should try it one day! go back to the city lexigtonians??? get real see ya city slicker!
@cmoneyinda859, I am not trying to disprespect your family, I just flew off the handle about your stance on mountaintop removal coal mining. I have thrown a lot of insults around this discussion forum, and I will stop. But I still feel very strongly about this one method of mining coal... I assumed you were uneducated by your views on ruining the oldest mountains on Earth for a temporary response to energy needs. It is very sad what we are leaving behind for our future generations.
@JeffisfromKentucky hey man i respect you manning up and apoligizing, but hell dont worry about it man, no hard feelins and yes ive contributed to the coal mining aswell, 19 years and still running, 3 generations. :)
Coal companies rape the earth, plain and simply. 50% of coal come from strip mining simply because they can use bigger equipment to haul more. Alternative fuels are available, I use solar and generate more than enough for my home, in fact I send power back to the city of Lexington. My wife is from Floyd county and it breaks her heart to go home and see the destruction of the beautiful land she grew up on. Take a trip to Manchester, London, shame, shame, shame...
@paddlefoot12001 - The Juvenile Detention Center in London was built on a reclaimed strip site. The land under the building is subsiding and so they had to close the multi-million dollar facility. It is now vacant.
@Phillifully, I hope that the Germans will see that not all Americans support this atrocity. We are working dilligently to fight against the powerful corporations misleading simple hardworking people into buying the bullshit. They will answer in the afterlife, but for now they are destroying everything in their path with no mercy or soul in their body. All they want is money, and they better have fun with it because they are going to hell...
Looks like the company(s) doing the mining is going to leave some nice flat areas for development use like hospitals, retail, recreation, airport etc...A mountainside is useless. The good Lord put coal here for a reason and that reason is for us to use it to provide jobs and electricity.
Why would you refer to Gods Creation as "useless"? It provides pure drinking water to millions of people downstream, not to mention habitat for hunting, fishing, hiking ...
Reclaimed mine sites are useless to build upon - the land subsides. Just look at the (empty) Juvenile Detention Center in London KY - cant be used due to subsidence. Also the Big Sandy Prison in KY, school in McDowell County WV, Holiday Inn in Hazard KY - all have had major structural problems.
@bigapple2625, don't you dare say anything about the good Lord. You obviously don't know Him, love Him, or care about his Creation. You are going to hell. Mountains are not useless you idiot. I know living in concrete filth your whole worthless life must really suck, but some of us like things green and happy. Not dirty and hateful like New York.
@bigapple2625, you are not an engineer, and it is obvious. We know you all poured concrete all over your natural beauty in New York. There is no structural integrity left in those decimated mountain tops. And by the way, how the F#ck did you want us to build up there you idiot? Go find some crack on the corner and shut up.
@kirbienstien Would you rather have a job in a different field or would you rather contribute to the extinction of mankind on planet Earth? That's the real question!
@kirbienstien, and thats why you are probably an unemployed meth-smoking idiot. It doesn't matter what you think, because you don't have the cognitive capacity to think. Keep flipping your burgers and stuffing your face, and definitly shut the hell up, you uneducated redneck chump.
no body really has any idea of what there even saying. Always wanting to blame everything on something. Some people get lung cancer and never touch a cigerette. Your always going to have some that say,,, " They must have been exposed to second hand smoke.".
coal companties are destroying the mountains Ky, Va, WV.. and CEO"s couldnt care less, they are raping the mountains and stealing the coal from the people of the mountains... my grandmother and grandfather live in ky and there home, drinking water have been destroyed.....enough is enough... make the coal companties pay!!!! and the us goverment dont give a fuck about the mountain people, us goverment knows if they build roads and bring jobs to the mountains, they cant have the coal them!!!!
You live in Whitesville so why are you telling those that live there nothing is wrong with their water? Do you know anything about what coal is "cleaned" with? Maybe you should read up on it.
Also does your Mother know what a potty mouth you have F***ya?
I have questions, if the water in Prenter is bad from run-off, then what about the creek? The WV DNR stock trout in that stream. Trout can't survive in polluted streams, yet they thrive in that one. I was just wondering if anyone can explain how some ground water is contaminated, and some is not.
Bad water at Prenter is caused by a combination of things. Run-off in part but mostly the billions of gallons of slurry injected underground. Residents water quality can be effected by the depth of wells and the saturation of the ground. Example, rainy seasons water quality is generally better than dry seasons because rain water dilutes toxic water. DNR reports show that companies have illegally dumped billions of gallons of slurry above their permits thus contaminating residents water.
Does the fact that DEP has the records change them? The fact is that the companies have no regard for the laws that are here to protect innocent peolple like us. And yes, the Hudson was contaminated approx 30 years ago, but most people learn from their mistakes and correct them instead of fighting to cover them up. Again....ignorance.
the Prenter well water is contaminated from underground slurry injection, not runoff. I am not aware of anyone saying the creek water is contaminated. Apparently the aquifer is far enough below the drainage that it hasnt contaminated the creek.
I DO NOT find anything funny about Prenter's black drinking water! I have lived in Prenter for 30+ yrs and yes there is something wrong with the water. Wait until the trial and you can see the test results. BTW where did you say you live?
I live in whitesville, and you are saying that prenter has had black drinking water for 30+ years now? LOL...
TIP: Everyone get together and get your story straight before bringing a lawsuit. It lets you stand a better chance of winning if you all have a solid story!
Slurry impoundments are not necessary. Coal companies can use dry press equipment, such as the belt presses manufactured by Phoenix Processing to remove liquid from the slurry. The semi-dry waste can be handled safely without building impoundments.
How do you feel about the 125 people killed at Buffalo Creek?
Dry press waste... Kinda like the coal ash that was stored in the TVA pond that broke. Not volitale until water is introduced, then it becomes really unstable. Atleast slurry sinks to the bottom of the impoundment, unlike the patty cakes that are left behind from dry press, which is like quick sand. And how exactly do you plan on keep the semi-dry waste in one spot without an impoundment type of dam?
@fuckyamountains, you are way too knowledgeable to keep spreading the hate and lies that you do. You are proof that these incredibly sinful folks running mining operations know exactly what they are doing. I bet on your deathbed you will cry out for God in fear of your terrible life and its consequences. He will not hear you, because he hates you.
Coal Miner - I dont know one person in Kentucky who doesnt support coal mining. But many Kentuckians are opposed to mountaintop removal mining.
We are not opposed to underground mining, which will bring back a lot of jobs and put our miners to work. We support miners!
The problem is that our leaders and the fake phony public relations group "FACES of Coal" are telling miners that we are "against coal." Its not true, dont believe these wicked liars.
BULLSHIT!!! You all want all forms of coal mining stopped, and you want the coal fired power plants shut down! Why don't you climb your ass in a 32-36 inch coal seam and see if you like it!!! MTR is used close to the MOUNTAINTOP where room and pillar mining isn't very safe. Not enough rock over your head so it breaks easier!
Well you claimed to know what we think ... but it turns out that you have never even talked to an environmentalist in KY.
In afct there is not one environmental group in Kentucky that wants to stop underground mining. We want it done safely to protect the miners ... but we dont want to stop it. We are against mountaintop removal.
@fuckyamountains, fuckyalife. It is worthless and meaningless and that is why you are so hateful to the Earth and mining communities. You probably cry every night because no one can stand being around your hateful soul.
@fuckyamountains, your entire life is the bullshit. We are not against all forms of mining. Do you research you fool. Keep lining your pockets like a fatcat liar that wil burn like bacon in the afterlife.
@JeffisfromKentucky Not against all kinds of mining???? It sure as hell sounds like it you stupid motherfucker. Against MTM, against slurry ponds, against coal all together because it "pollutes" your atmosphere. If I do end up going to hell, I will make sure I sit beside of you so I can aggravate your goofy ass for the rest of eternity. I live in a mining community, if you don't like it then move, simple as that! And I have plenty of friends!!! :) Have a nice day dipshit!
@fuckyamountains, Lots of things pollute the atmosphere, hell, even cow farts produce enough methane to add to the problem. I realize that you are pissed off, and that makes me think I struck a chord with you. That feeling inside that you think is anger towards me is actually a condition in the psyche. Its called guilt, sadness, emptiness. When the coal is gone, you move on to another moneymaking scheme. When we save the mountains, we are happy. Look it up, I know you don't understand happy.
A coal miners daughter raised in a coal mining town. Coal mining put shoes on my and my siblings feet. Coal mining severance tax pays for many many projects most of which are not even in the coal towns. It's hard to say it any better than clovergal7024 did.. But hey, if you don't support coal, don't use electricity!!!!
Coal mining is an important part of Kentucky's history. Mountain Justice supports underground mining, we are opposed to mountaintop removal mining and valley fills.
We are also opposed to poisoning the public water supply. The coal industry is contaminating our rivers and streams with black water. Are you a supporter of poisoned water for the families and children of Kentucky?
@goharlan, I have family in Harlan County, so let me start this by saying with no unresearched bias, you are a complete idiot. No one here is talking about stopping coal mining. We are talking about mountaintop removal ONLY. I know the schools there suck, but seriously, do some research about what we are talking about. MTR takes YOUR job away eventually you blind moron.
@goharlan, electricity is generated using other technologies as well. I know they didn' teach you that in Harlan County, because they successfully dooped you into supporting destruction. AND AGAIN, LIKE I KEEP TELLING YOUR PRO-MTR BUDDIES, WE ARE AGAINST ONLY ONE ONE ONE TYPE OF MINING! I am pro-jobs and pro-mountains. Severence means they FIRED hardworking miners, are you proud of that???
The coal mined during MTR cannot be mined underground. You can't fit a man in a 12 to 14 inch coal seem to dig it out. There are places to deep mine, and places to strip mine...but they are both very important.
Deep mines will continue. Mountaintop mines gotta go. And, face facts folks, coal is dirty from start to finish and will, God willing, be replaced soon with clean energy which will furnish jobs for miners that will be long lasting and safer.
12 miles underground, really? Take you caplocks off. It won't make your assertion any more credible, but it might make you look a little less stupib (not really).
@clovergal7024, hey moron, we ALL support underground miners. In case you couldn't find the Hannah Montana website for idiots, we are talking about a very specific method of extracting coal. It is amazing how stupid people are.
@bigapple2625 So you are thankful that KY coal mining companies are unwilling to pursue modern cleaner methods of generating electricity, and are therefore destroying not only Kentucky, but also the NY Adirondacks with the acid rain caused by the burning of coal? Is this what you are saying, because most New Yorkers are NOT happy about this?!
@famousPhotog Buddy I live in Kentucky, if we had a better way of doing it, we'd do it. We're not the bad guys here. In case you haven't realized it, coal is what we got. We live in mountains bro, just in case you didn't know. To not use it would be a waste. I'm pretty sure we'll eventually get to better methods, but it can't be an immediate change.
I tell u wht i think about this dumb shit if u dont like it dont use electric its crazy tht people go out and work ever day to give some dumb son of a bitch like them electric
rabbidCOON1 2 months ago
Is there anywhere in American that is still considered SACRED? A place that isn't state or national forest?!?!
Dreoilin 2 months ago
At least the coal miner's work and provide for their families instead of laying around at the house on well fare. Friends of coal!
coonhuntbmch 4 months ago
Thumbs up to ban mountain top Removal.
SereneiBE 5 months ago 3
@mountainjustice and u also have the bennits amd nally and hamaltion which hamaliton is owned my tommy and steven hamaliton
grizzly3883 7 months ago
@grizzly3883 As far as Nally & Hamilton, you might search for the video "Harlan County Fish Pond" about Elmer Lloyd, who lives below a Nally and Hamilton mine. There are coal companies that act responsibly, there is some land that has been put to good use after mining. But the vast majority of it - about 95 percent - is never developed, its just a wasteland. Without the trees and the forest, the communities below the mine get flooded.
mountainjustice 7 months ago
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mc3306 8 months ago
Why don't you show the finished and reclaimed sites? The ones where we've built housing developments, golf courses, sports complexes, airports, etc. Showing these pictures is like someone showing pictures of a surgeon's work in the middle of an operation. It looks gruesome, but after the operation is complete and the patient has recovered, it looks good. Also, the elk population that thrived in this region, Eastern Kentucky, has been returned thanks to mountain top development.
mc3306 8 months ago
@mc3306 The mixed-mesophytic forests of Appalachia are the most biologically diverse temperate hardwood forests in the world. Replacing lush forests with fescue and lespedeza is a complete degradation of the ecosystems that provide wildlife habitat and fresh clean water to millions of people.
I am aware of the Stonecrest golf course, the airports, the prisons and the elk - the elk program is a greenwashing program by the coal companies and Fish and Wildlife cronies to make MTR look good.
mountainjustice 8 months ago 4
I agree with your comments. I know of one case in east Kentucky where there was a 4 foot vain of coal they removed the top of the mountain and the coal paid for the excavation. they then built a wal-mart and kroger on the sight. It was done smart as far as I know. All though in most cases from what I've seen there is no responsibility in what they are doing. I very opposed to that.
VTWIN2005 8 months ago
Then we have a problem. I mean after all if I hurt your kids would you stop me? We can do things responsible. We have too. It always cost us more to do the right thing. In everything. But, we must do things right. I love the mountains. I love the people. but, hey I love electricity too. Anyway thanks for letting me step up on a soap box for a minute.
VTWIN2005 8 months ago
@VTWIN2005 Welcome to the You Tube soap box. Thanks for your comments. Just to be clear, I am adamantly opposed to mountaintop removal mining.
As far as property rights, everyone is for the right to do with their own property whatever they want ... until their neighbor decides to start a scrap metal yard next door. The problem with this mining is that folks living below the mine are getting flooded, because there are no trees to soak up the rainfall.
mountainjustice 8 months ago
The thing wrong with this country is most of us are extremist. Extremist evern when it makes no sense. Mountainjustice you don't want to destroy the mountains now do you? Of course not. We just have to find ways that protect everyone. Yes even the animals. I want to leave the planet even better for my Children. If the strip mind on your property does everything it can to protect the environment I'm on your side. However, If the strip mine on your property is destroying my drinking water. Then..
VTWIN2005 8 months ago
@VTWIN2005 made a few comments for you to conceder.
VTWIN2005 8 months ago
You know, I'm a Kentuckian. I'm a republican. I'm a hunter. Fisherman. I believe in states rights. I believe in property rights. Their are somethings here that are not just cut and dry. I don't have a right to do to whatever i want on my land. I can't pour oil on the ground after I change my own oil. I have no problem with a strip mine. However, Every construction sight must control runoff. You don't have a right to run my drinking water just so you can have farmland where your mountain use to b
VTWIN2005 8 months ago
it seems the only pictures you have is while and right after they are mining. laws states they have to reclaim the land
stanford70 11 months ago
@stanford70 - Right, the are required by the surface mining law SMCRA to restore the land to a "higher and better condition" with a "diverse vegetative cover." Unfortunately this is not happening - they only hydroseed the mine site, usually with non-native species like fescue. They are supposed to plant trees, but industry pressure on government regulators allows them to get away with improper reclamamtion. For more info, google the "Appalachian Regional Reforestation Initiative"
mountainjustice 10 months ago
@stanford70 The land is reclaimed how the owner of the surface states. If the owner of the land wants flat seeded land when they are done, that is how it is left. If they want it treed then it is. You should be looking at some of the land owners if you don't like the way it looks.
MsRailroader 10 months ago
@MsRailroader - The law (SMCRA) requires the land to be reclaimed to a "higher and better condition" than previous to the mining. It also requires a "diverse vegetative cover." Turning forests into grasslands is a violation of federal law.
mountainjustice 10 months ago
@mountainjustice Sorry, as relayed by The Division of Abandoned Mine Lands for Reclamation: It is the PROPERTY OWNER'S decision/choice to either have the property reclaimed or not, and if so to the PROPERTY OWNER'S satisfaction. What you speak of is mining on GOVERNMENT OWNED lands. Please make a call and verify this information so you know the facts for yourself. That is one of the "benefits" to have your land coaled, usable flat plantable/livestock grassland after.
MsRailroader 10 months ago
@MsRailroader This is incorrect. I just read the 1977 federal surface mining law SMCRA and it makes no distinction between federally-owned and private lands. All land must be reclaimed according to SMCRA. The land must be covered with a "diverse, effective, and permanent vegetative cover of the same seasonal variety native to the area of land to be affected and capable of self-regeneration and plant succession at least equal in extent of cover to the natural vegetation of the area" (p. 82)
mountainjustice 10 months ago
@mountainjustice LOL OK, think whatever you want.You are attempting to read a manual that you obviously do not comprehend.Please call The Division of Abandoned Mine Lands for Reclamation.Pose the question to the ACTUAL DEPARTMENT that handles it.Mr. Petrey is able to answer your questions (606)330-2085.I DO know that MY LAND is being reclaimed as I SEE FIT.FLAT and GRASS.MY land, MY choice.Talk to the actual dept. You're not going to like what he says.At least you will have the facts.OK bye bye
MsRailroader 10 months ago
@mountainjustice Unless you are a Mineral Rights Attorney or a Federal Judge, you do not have the knowledge base to make an opinion on one section of this law.I know you really want what you believe to be true, but it's not. Take a moment and call the department that is responsible for enactment of this law.They are in the best position to tell you how it reads. At least when you find your wrong, you will know the truth.Do you really believe this law has been blatantly ignored for over 30 years?
MsRailroader 10 months ago
@MsRailroader Many aspects of SMCRA have not been enforced since it was enacted in 1977. Thats one reason why so many citizens are concerned with mountaintop removal.
If you are considering reclaiming your land with grass like Kentucky 31 fescue, be sure and research Fescue Toxicosis, which is caused by a fungus that grows on some fescue. It causes abortions in pregnant mares and other health problems in beef cattle. Despite its name, Kentucky 31 Fescue is not native to Kentucky.
mountainjustice 10 months ago
@mountainjustice I'm sure if the law read how you wish it did, tree huggers like you would be in front of the Courts attempting to have them enforced.Citizens are "concerned" because they don't have a slice of the pie.
I'm sure you mean well with the attempt to inform about the different ground covers, rest assure I do my homework. If Kentucky 31 fits my needs, that is what I will use. Scare tactics don't work with me. With more than 8 generations in Kentucky, I'm sure we know what is native.
MsRailroader 10 months ago
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MsRailroader 10 months ago
Pour the coal! Coal fuels America. God bless our coal miners!
MrKycoalminer 11 months ago
The land is no good for anyhing, it is so steep that you cannot walk it so why not mine it but have strict laws to protect the enviorment
tra612 11 months ago
@tra612 - Hunting, gathering mushrooms, ramps, ginseng, black cohosh, yellow root, plus providing clean water for fishing. These mountains provide drinking water for much of the eastern US, including the Ohio River, a drinking water source for 3 million people, and the Cumberland River, Nashville's water. Atlanta and Charlotte almost ran out of water a few years ago. Once they mine the mountain, the springs dry up.
mountainjustice 11 months ago
I have workerd in the strip mining business for 38 years, I am a well qualified core driller, and work for over 20 different business's up in eastern kentucky and eastern tennessee area. Do not listen to these people and dont end strip mining!
manisdrillingcompany 1 year ago
You damn hippy tree huggin som bitches. Shut the fuck up n let em get the coal out. If not for us surface miners you fools would be living lights out. Support mining be American
rickjames812 1 year ago
@rickjames812 - Appalachian coal can be mined using underground mining instead of mountaintop removal. Heavy equipment workers on strip sites can be put to work reclaiming the land and fixing past damage to streams. This plan will create many new jobs since underground mining is much more labor-intensive than mountaintop removal, and improve water quality for all Kentuckians for fishing, swimming and drinking.
mountainjustice 1 year ago
@mountainjustice And underground mining is 50% less effective yielding on average 50-60% of the coal. It is also WAY more dangerous for the workers with death being ever present, unlike with mountaintop mining. I take it you prefer a pretty tree than a live worker.
MsRailroader 10 months ago
@MsRailroader - There was a terrible accident at the UBB mine in WV last year, a Massey mine that had hundreds of safety violations. Massey's greedy CEO Don Blankenship cares more about profits than worker safety.
In 2009, 2008 and 2007 there were actually more deaths at surface mines than at underground mines. See my video "Walker CAT says Yes Coal" for photos of accidents at surface mines.
mountainjustice 10 months ago
@mountainjustice How many of the workers reported these violations or refused to work with violations in place? It's not only the CEO of the mines, but the actions of the miners just trying to feed and house their families. How many workers show up stoned or drunk? Many. How many are sent home? None. I'm from a long line of miners. Ask a miner if they would rather work on top or underground. Says it all.And tell me how you are powering up your computer. By magic? Nuclear or Coal? I choose coal.
MsRailroader 10 months ago
@MsRailroader - Come on. Underground miners are usually afraid to report safety violations because if they do, they will be fired.
If there are miners showing up for work in an intoxicated condition, that is terrible. No one should be operating such dangerous machinery while intoxicated. I worked 20 years in industry and this kind of thing was never tolerated at any factory that I worked at.
But I dont see what this has to do with mountaintop removal being a bad thing ...
mountainjustice 10 months ago
@mountainjustice I'm curious, are you a miner? How many in your family are? If you say no or none, then you really can't make comments about mining. My 1st cousin was just injured in a mine accident. Thats the recent. My Grandpa was in Bloody Harlem, thats the past. My own father left the mines so don't try to preach mine safety to me. Miners know what they are in for when they leave that sunshine behind. Instead of trying to stop mining,which you cant, why not fight the real issue, black lung.
MsRailroader 10 months ago
@MsRailroader Im not a miner, and Im sorry about your cousin.
It was called "Bloody Harlan" (not Harlem) because the coal companies were using violence (gun thugs) to keep the miners from organizing a union in the 1920's - not because of injuries in the mines - although of course there were many more injuries and deaths back then. You might appreciate the documentary film "Harlan County USA," you can watch the trailer on You Tube. Great film.
mountainjustice 10 months ago
@mountainjustice You made my point, you are not a miner. You do not understand the conditions. Bloody Harlem was to bring in the union to force the companies to adhere to proper safety rules AND to provide adequate living arraignments. I don't need a documentary, I can just speak with family. And as far as my cousin, he'll learn to keep his head down. Not all injuries in the mines are because of the company. You do realize MTM will not stop. Only outsiders like you don't want it.
MsRailroader 10 months ago
@MsRailroader - its HARLAN not Harlem! Harlem is in New York City. The city in Kentucky where they mine coal is spelled H-A-R-L-A-N.
And thanks but Im not an outsider, I live in Kentucky. The real outsiders are ICG (owned by billionaire Wilbur Ross of New York City), Peabody Coal (based in St Louis) and Arch Coal (based in St Louis). Massey is based in Richmond Virginia, 300 miles from the coalfields.
mountainjustice 10 months ago
@mountainjustice Too Funny. I know how its spelled and HARLEM NEW YORK CITY is NOT A TOWN. Yes, you are an outsider. You do not have any relations to mining nor do you own any land that is being mined. I would also bet you MOVED to Kentucky not too long ago. I'm enjoying them turning my mountain top into flat usable land. I also enjoy the LARGE SUMS OF CASH I have received. Keep crying, it will never stop. You have NO SAY in what people do with THEIR land. =D
MsRailroader 10 months ago
@mountainjustice And underground mining is 50% less effective yielding on average 50-60% of the coal where as 90% with mountain top. It is also WAY more dangerous for the workers with death being ever present, unlike with mountaintop mining. I take it you prefer a pretty tree than a live worker.
MsRailroader 10 months ago
@rickjames812 -- In the early 60s there were 250,000 W. Va coal miners; Today there are about 12,000. It's not about 'jobs', is it? It's not even about 'saving' the timber industry, since MOST of the hardwood forests destroyed by MTR were pushed into the valleys and buried, and for what? Short term profits mostly benefitting the coal industry and corrupt politicians. Meanwhile, downstream effects of poisoned rivers, wrecked communities, damaged lives will be an enduring legacy of folly & greed.
starmanskye 1 year ago
@rickjames812 : Heck yea man! Im tried of these tree huggers talking about mt. top removal destroying the enviroment. After they get the coal out they reclame the land. witch means they plant trees and grass. They also put in ways for water to get threw down to the valley. Heck, my dad talks about seeing bears, elk, foxes, deer, and even turkey. If you go ask anyone who hunts near an old strip job they will tell you thats the place to hunt for turkey. DON'T HATE IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACTS!!!!!
MrLespaul10 11 months ago
@JeffisfromKentucky
where do you work?
wturner0018 1 year ago
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manisdrillingcompany 1 year ago
@ mountainjustice- i appreciate the fact that you didnt say any thing about the typos. The main reason that I support MTR is because that is how my family makes a living, my opinion on the matter will most likley never be changed, as i am sure that yours will not be either. So I must say, lets just agree to disagree.
TheDirtWarriors 1 year ago
@mountainjustice- we have a huge difference in opinion when it comes to this subject, obviously. If i have 1000 acres of mountains that are otherwise useless to me and i can allow it to be mined for so many millions, im gonna taje the money. But that is just me. But that is what makes this country great is that we can have this sifference in opinions.
TheDirtWarriors 1 year ago
@TheDirtWarriors - Yep. But its nice talking with you dude. I appreciate that you dont shout at me like most of the posters below.
mountainjustice 1 year ago
It is as simple as this, the land being mined is private property and therefore the owners of the property are free to do with it as they want. If they want to mine it by MTR practices then it is their right to do so. These are not "our" mountains, they are individually owned mountains.
TheDirtWarriors 1 year ago
@TheDirtWarriors - The impacts of this kind of mining affect the quality of life for surrounding property owners through increased noise, blasting, flooding, dust etc - as well as the quality of water for the people who like to fish or drink the water downstream. Property rights arguments do not apply to this situation.
mountainjustice 1 year ago 2
@TheDirtWarriors -- Then own-up to the ruin, destruction & true costs that these 'private' property owners have inflicted on everybody downstream. You can start by educating yourself on the larger issues involved, and stop framing the controversy in your oversimplistic either-or terms that privelege your opinion as the only one of merit.
starmanskye 1 year ago
It is as simple as this, the land being mined is private property and therefore the owners of the property are free to do with it as they want. If they want to mine it by MTR practices then it is their right to do so. These are not "our" mountains, they are individually owned mountains.
TheDirtWarriors 1 year ago
I just went to an open pit mine. And Im not sure if I agree with all mining projects but some are okay if they benefit the population as a whole but if only a few ppl are getting rich at the expense of destroying nature. Then I do not agree!
ghostown75 1 year ago
@Karrowt, hahaha. Wow, you are as racist and cowardly as I had experienced ALL people from Mass. to be. If any single one of you Kennedy-central clowns came to KY, you would never make it back to your miserable hateful existance. And I spelled one word wrong, the word wrong in fact. I bet you are too much of a coward to go to Roxbury and say that horrible word. I thought we were supposed to be the ignorant racists. Nope, ALWAYs the New England idiots. New England is Babylon.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@Karrowt, hey, I go to school in Cambridge, and I am from Kentucky. We are not all hicks. I bet you aren't even allowed in Cambridge, because it is for intellectuals. You are laughing at us because we do not tolerate homosexuals like the ones running rampant in Mass. and your feelings are hurt. Where do you live? Probably Roxbury or Dorchester in the hood with all the other hateful idiots. I would love to meet you in Nov. when I come back to Mass. to show you how we treat cowards in KY.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@Karrowt, you cannot be civil and spell civil wroing you moron. I go to school in Mass and you all are some of the most hateful, self-serving, ignorant fools in our country. Of course Mass is laughing, it is home to a bunch of coward homosexuals. Hey, I come back up there in November, maybe you should give me your address so I can show you how people from KY beat the shit out of cowards like yourself?
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
why are most (if not all) of the male "activist" against coal mining, gay? Real men arent trying to take away peoples jobs in Appalachia. Coal Miners just extract the resources that the good Lord gave us which helps keep America secure by reducing dependence on foreign oil and providing cheap electricity...even while Obama tries everyday to figure out a way to weaken our country and redistribute wealth. God Bless the Coal Miners, their families, and the businesses that depend on them.
bigapple2625 1 year ago
@bigapple2625, you are a true homophobe. Where is your data suggesting that people who don't want their mountains ripped apart for some selfish bigot prick living in filth and greed in New York are in fact gay? And it is a proven fact that most homophobic men, like yourself, are indeed homosexuals. So stay in Babylon, aka, New York, and keep your filthy gay mouth shut. Real men love God and care about his Creation. Meaning you are probably not even a man at all.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
P. S. Thats not to mention the taxes paid by
The people who aren't miners but their jobs depend on mining. For every miner that gets layed off (due to you damn tree huggers) 23 other people also get layed off or fired. Oops there goes them tax dollars you love so much. I say mind your own business and leave ours alone. O yea, if you don't like coal, then don't use electricity.
TheDirtWarriors 1 year ago
@TheDirtWarriors - In 1960 there were over 120,000 miners in WV. Todays its less than 15,000. This loss of employment was caused by the coal industry's mechanization, not by Al Gore or the tree huggers. Meanwhile, areas of America that use the beauty of mountains to promote tourism-related economic development, such as east TN (i.e. Gatlinburg) and western NC are full of wealthy people, while the coal counties of WV and KY are some of the poorest counties in America.
mountainjustice 1 year ago
Mountain justice. You want to bring up taxes? In kentucky alone there was over 250 million dollars in coal severemce taxes last year. Thats not to mention all the taxes taken out of our pay checks either. I get nearly 750 dollars taken out of my check each WEEK for taxes, multiply that by about 70,000 weekly, because that is how many miners there are in the eastern U.S.. Lets take that away and see how many roads get built and repaired, you idiot.
TheDirtWarriors 1 year ago
@TheDirtWarriors - Your figures are wildly inaccurate. According to Dept of Labor statistics, 80,600 people are employed in coal mining nationally, but only about 7000 work on surface mines in West Va, and about 6000 in Kentucky. Mountain Justice does not oppose underground mining, only mt top removal and steep slope strip mining. The damage to roads annually from coal transporation is estimated at over $1 billion dollars annually.
mountainjustice 1 year ago
@mountainjustice, you tree hugging shit heads never stop. Ain't even thought about things. Don't even think about the fact 48% of this country's energy supply comes from coal. It don't come just from underground mines, it comes from mountaintop removal strip jobs, high wall miners, and augering. big or small operations it takes them all to meet the energy demand. But i am sure that you college "kids" have put that into consideration.
MrKycoalminer 1 year ago
@MrKycoalminer - Thanks for the insults. Less than 10 percent of Americas coal comes from mt top removal mines. Americans use 4 times as much energy per capita than Eurpoeans, yet we have a lower quality of life. Im sure that you can look around and see electricity being wasted in your town - lights left on in empty buildings, poorly insulated houses and trailers, old appliances. We need green jobs for Appalachia, fixing old mine damage and weatherizing homes.
mountainjustice 1 year ago
@MrKycoalminer go to hell. i don't care whether you're right or wrong, you're an asshole. Maybe if people listened to us "college kids" we wouldn't even need to use coal, how many perfectly viable alternative energy sources are there that coal lobbyists shoot down? Ya know how people always claim that we think we know what's best for America? Guess what! WE DO!
jamesthemaniac 1 year ago
@jamesthemaniac
If there was a perfectly viable alternative energy source then we wouldn't have you to protest. There isn't another option that is why there are coal mines. I am also a college student...
wturner0018 1 year ago
@wturner0018 Nuclear Power, Wind Power, Solar Power, geothermal, methane, the list goes on. but as long as coal lobbyists keep paying the right senators, the money that could go to researching other alternatives gets diverted to coal companies and the regulators are told to "be nice"
jamesthemaniac 1 year ago
@jamesthemaniac You honestly don't believe that. You believe there is a more economic solution? Your saying there is something that could produce a cheaper energy? Do you know how much tax dollars are spent "researching" green energies? We will be mining you will be whining its just life. You balance the logic people that work with your madness and hippie deadbeat politics. Al Gore created the internet too...
wturner0018 1 year ago
@TheDirtWarriors, it doesn't matter how many taxes you pay, you are going to hell for your views on nature and human life. So I hope they tax you so hard you cannot breathe. You have no factual evidence of your retarded claims about money either. If you have 750 dollars taken out each week, you are making a lot of money you sinful prick. The "treehuggers" will win, and you will lose hard. And I will laugh when you cannot feed yourself.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@JeffisfromKentucky, your a fucking retarted stupid bastic son of a bitch. Mother fuckers like you whine ass around no fucking reason other then you don't have any thing else to do. We know why your upset but fags like you isn't allowed to work in the coal mines. So jus keep on running your fucking lil dick suckers online here. Kentucky would be a big fucking poverty hole in the middle of the fucking untied states if it wasn't for coal mining. so you really need to quit running your dick suckers
MrKycoalminer 1 year ago
@MrKycoalminer, hahaha. What is bastic? Fags? Just like the other guy on this post, those who accuse others of being homosexual or uses the word fags are in fact mad about their own sexuality. Why don't you go blast the top off of Brokeback Mountain there fairy boy. Just because you mine coal, spit and dip, call people fags and smoke meth doesn't make you a man at all. You are in fact a coward, and you are scared of your own sexuality. Stick to the subject, we are talking about mountains here.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
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MrKycoalminer 1 year ago
@MrKycoalminer, oh yeah I almost forgot, WE ARE IN A BIG F***ING POVERTY HOLE NOW AND WE ARE MINING COAL AND DESTROYING OUR MOUNTAINS MORON! You are blind.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@JeffisfromKentucky , Your the uneducated mother fucker because you don't even realize how much money is sent to northern ky, from coal servence taxes. Do some research you stupid fuck!
MrKycoalminer 1 year ago
@MrKycoalminer, wow, you really let everyone in here know just how ignorant and angry you are. You not only used cuss words for the majority of both of your responses (showing a real lack of knowledge of the english language) and you cannot spell any better than the rest of the backwards hillbillies that get on here and fire back at anti-MTR folks. Or many you meant to say untied states, because our nation is falling apart at the seams.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@MrKycoalminer, and I did the research jackass, that is why you go to college, to learn. If a lot of money is going to Northern Kentucky. where is it???? NKY is a craphole, ruined by rampant development and no hillside regulations. YOU do the research, or did your coal mining boss tell you "COAL KEEPS THE LIGHTS ON!" You all are like zombies with no ability to think for yourself. You should go as yourself for Halloween. A COAL ZOMBIE.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@JeffisfromKentucky , oh wow, you went to college. you are so smart now. You are just totally on a higher level then everybody on here. but the truth is that Kentucky wouldn't even have a damn wal martt if it wasn't for coal mining.Their would be no lights on at your big high class college where we all see must be ivy leauge or something because you portray so much knowledge on here. You really a gay son of a bitch!
MrKycoalminer 1 year ago
I find it interesting that those who are so vehemently opposed do NOT live here. They claim they are suffering from acid rain yet have no science to back it up. They make many, many claims but never have any science to back it up.
Point of fact, coal is cheaper than many other forms of electricity. It is also one of our most plentiful resources. Indeed, I am quite certain many of our environmental kookie friends would not be happy with any method. We have seen it happen time and again.
OriginalDamnYankee 1 year ago
@OriginalDamnYankee - Its absurd to claim that acid rain from coal-burning power plants is not a problem. Go to upstate New York and test the lakes for pH.
Coal is not so cheap when you figure in the costs of damaged roads, lowered human life expectancy, flooding ... who pays for FEMA to come in after the floods - not the coal companies - the taxpayers do. Who pays to clean up the water so its safe to drink for those of us downstream? Not the coal companies - the taxpayers do.
mountainjustice 1 year ago
@OriginalDamnYankee, you do not live in these areas, some of us do. Sure, I may live in Lexington far away from the damage, but I don;t have to subject myself to this inhumanity to care about it. But some hell-bound conservative dipshit living in Yankee-land doesn't even have a set big enough to come down here and see first hand what we are doing to the oldest mountains on the planet. But keep flipping those burgers you jackass, you don't matter in this life or the next...
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
P.S. We also mind our own business. And the reason we repeat ourselves is because we have to, you all are to stupid to get the message the first time, " COAL KEEPS THE LIGHTS ON!"
TheDirtWarriors 1 year ago
@TheDirtWarriors, wow, you spew everything they taught you don't you? You must be a tea-bagger too. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid dipshit. There are no ice cubes in hell, so get practice by drinking the Kool-Aid warm. HAHAHA
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
All you tree huggers are the same. You all sound like little babies crying. I have bachelors degree and I am also very well educated, but I am also a coal miner or " strip miner." I also work with other college educated miners. The reason we chose mining rather than our degrees? 1. Heritage 2. Money 3. I work with some of the finest people in the country if not the world. So I don't want to here this crap about un-educated, we're smart enough to make more money than you damn tree huggers.
P.S
TheDirtWarriors 1 year ago
@TheDirtWarriors, if you went to college, you wouldn't keep saying "damn tree huggers" like some meth-smoking backwater piece of shit. Whatever college you went to must be real crap. NAME THE SCHOOL, THE DEGREE YOU EARNED and maybe I will look you up. But someone who is uneducated like you can say they went to school on YOUTUBE. Jackass is the best way of describing lowlife shit like you. And bachelor's degree doesn't mean much anymore anyway, but I didn't expect you to know anything about life
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
Rape! Pillage! Plunder! Heartbreaking scenes.
Zorbatroid 1 year ago
Well Famous i haven't even watched the Video, but i have something to say, since your against the Mining of coal, just prance your ass outside and cut the breaker off for your power, it's people like you who don't deserve the power us miners slave to provide you. Coal keeps your lights on so get used to it. and pertaining to the clean air comment you made, dont you dare drive your vehicle then, ever heard of Smog? seems to me your the ignorant individual.
I am a Proud Friend of Coal.
EastKyMiner21 1 year ago
@EastKyMiner21 "Coal keeps the lights on" All you miners sound the same. You`re all just broken records. You have no arguement. "Coal keeps the lights on" is all you ever say. Solar, wind, natural gas are all easier to get, more efficient, and don`t destroy the environment like your precious coal.
ultracapitalist 1 year ago
@ultracapitalist You realize we live in Kentucky right goof? And all the other people that mine use what's available to them? Mountains! Get it? And no, wind power, and solar power is not easier to obtain living in the mountains trust me.
DamnGamertag69 1 year ago
@EastKyMiner21 Thank you for posting this, as it is just further proof that those who support mining are uneducated and can't read. I have already stated that I am off-the-grid and do not rely upon outside sources for electricity. And generally, I ride a bicycle to work. So, where are you trying to go with your comments? Waiting..........
famousPhotog 1 year ago
@EastKyMiner21, keep drinking the Kool-Aid jackass. Your kids will come home one day and ask you why you keep hurting the earth. Are you gonna slpa them around like your daddy did you? You are a true p.o.s. and you are not a patriot or a true American. You should die as fast as possible, and the coal mining might make that happen. You are a Proud Friend of Destruction and Sin, and a Proud Retard.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
And no, I do not use any coal to power anything in my off-the-grid house or my completely off-the grid business, a business that employs over 125 people. So dont bother posting that there are no solutions, because I am living the solution everyday!
famousPhotog 1 year ago
Based upon the illogical, self-centered, selfish, short-sighted, delusional, ignorant, unethical, unimaginative, misinformed, and deliberately misleading comments posted by those in favor of turning Gods mountains into moon surfaces and excusing such acts as necessary, many coal miners must be gullible to CEO lies or totally uneducated or just evil opportunists who do not give a damn about clean air and water and animal habitats.
famousPhotog 1 year ago 8
@famousPhotog - dont be too hard on them. People in the coalfields are inundated daily with billboards, TV and radio advertisements, even the public schools tell people every day how good coal is for them. Most people just cant think for themselves, they just do whatever the TV tells them to.
mountainjustice 1 year ago
@mountainjustice talk about missleading what about you look at everything ya use deal with and need it all has to do with coal and as i have said in the past read up befor posting and try to use a candle to run the pc your using to type all that crap your trying to push
TheTrifire 1 year ago
@famousPhotog i agree mountain top removal is wrong for the environment..but on the other side appalachia is less fortuned how many people does this employee?
pumpy25 1 year ago
@pumpy25 The manner in which coal is mined using mountain top removal requires far fewer miners than traditional tunnel mining, and that's why the coal companies have moved toward MTR. The coal companies don't exist to hire miners, they exist to take advantage of the poorly educated and to make a profit doing so, and to keep America in the 19th century as long as possible.
famousPhotog 1 year ago
@famousPhotog, I am afraid these ignorant coal-supporters are a combination of all three of the assumptions you made. Gullible, yes. Uneducated, DEFINITELY. Evil, without a doubt in my mind. May God smite these idiots faster than they destroy our mountains.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
man we ride dirtbikes n shit up there 24/7 thanks to the coal miners the small town supports em all and so does are whole family weve got 45 yrs in it already and still going
cmoneyinda859 1 year ago
@cmoneyinda859, dirtbikes n shit? Wow, you do not care how stupid and redneck you sound. Of course a bunch of uneducated hicks are going to support the industry. They want computers and cellphones like the rest of us. But they don't understand that they are killing their grandchildren. But a group of morons don't think that far. Just how long it takes to fill up the dirt bike. YEEHAW! You are a seriously demented retard that will hopefully ride that dirt bike off the mountain very soon...
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@JeffisfromKentucky listen here jeff? do you live in hazard??? . yes were hicks. look at were we live! ive been thru education, went to college too for diesel mechanics, so chill were not uneducated at all
.all ive ever known is dirtbikes, and coal mining.
im not dissrespecting it. im saying its a greaty payoff. we work then we ride. and the county pays to have the mountain trails were we ride payved and leveled so thay dont care if we ride :) thanks!
cmoneyinda859 1 year ago
@cmoneyinda859, again, you uneducated prick, I don't have to live in Hazard to want OUR (they belong to Lexingtonians too idiot) mountains destroyed for a finite resource that is killing you and your children (if you even have any, it is difficult for retards to have babies). You may have gone to school, but someone has convinced you that dirtbiking and coal mining is a good thing. It is scarring the land, and wasteful to boot. Don't defend that way of life because that is all you know.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@cmoneyinda859, oh and, since you are so well educated, you probably realize that payved is spelled paved. And dissrespecting, is spelled disrespecting. You make it way too easy... Just ride that dirtbike, YEEHAW!
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@JeffisfromKentucky haha kids? i work two jobs so dont you ever disrespect my family again, i dont care what the hell were talking about, im a hard ass working man dont you disrespect me like that. and hell yeah riding is fun, maybe your lazy uneducated ass should try it one day! go back to the city lexigtonians??? get real see ya city slicker!
cmoneyinda859 1 year ago
@cmoneyinda859, I am not trying to disprespect your family, I just flew off the handle about your stance on mountaintop removal coal mining. I have thrown a lot of insults around this discussion forum, and I will stop. But I still feel very strongly about this one method of mining coal... I assumed you were uneducated by your views on ruining the oldest mountains on Earth for a temporary response to energy needs. It is very sad what we are leaving behind for our future generations.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@JeffisfromKentucky hey man i respect you manning up and apoligizing, but hell dont worry about it man, no hard feelins and yes ive contributed to the coal mining aswell, 19 years and still running, 3 generations. :)
cmoneyinda859 1 year ago
Coal companies rape the earth, plain and simply. 50% of coal come from strip mining simply because they can use bigger equipment to haul more. Alternative fuels are available, I use solar and generate more than enough for my home, in fact I send power back to the city of Lexington. My wife is from Floyd county and it breaks her heart to go home and see the destruction of the beautiful land she grew up on. Take a trip to Manchester, London, shame, shame, shame...
davelex08 1 year ago 3
what is in manchester and london dumbass they dont i dont know of a coal company there that is where iam from better get ur story straight dumbass
paddlefoot12001 1 year ago
@paddlefoot12001 - The Juvenile Detention Center in London was built on a reclaimed strip site. The land under the building is subsiding and so they had to close the multi-million dollar facility. It is now vacant.
mountainjustice 1 year ago
Hey Americans, the world is watching you!
It´s my world, too. Please dont destroy it. Thank you
Greetings from Germany
Phillifully 1 year ago
@Phillifully, I hope that the Germans will see that not all Americans support this atrocity. We are working dilligently to fight against the powerful corporations misleading simple hardworking people into buying the bullshit. They will answer in the afterlife, but for now they are destroying everything in their path with no mercy or soul in their body. All they want is money, and they better have fun with it because they are going to hell...
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
Looks like the company(s) doing the mining is going to leave some nice flat areas for development use like hospitals, retail, recreation, airport etc...A mountainside is useless. The good Lord put coal here for a reason and that reason is for us to use it to provide jobs and electricity.
bigapple2625 1 year ago
Why would you refer to Gods Creation as "useless"? It provides pure drinking water to millions of people downstream, not to mention habitat for hunting, fishing, hiking ...
Reclaimed mine sites are useless to build upon - the land subsides. Just look at the (empty) Juvenile Detention Center in London KY - cant be used due to subsidence. Also the Big Sandy Prison in KY, school in McDowell County WV, Holiday Inn in Hazard KY - all have had major structural problems.
mountainjustice 1 year ago
@bigapple2625, don't you dare say anything about the good Lord. You obviously don't know Him, love Him, or care about his Creation. You are going to hell. Mountains are not useless you idiot. I know living in concrete filth your whole worthless life must really suck, but some of us like things green and happy. Not dirty and hateful like New York.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@bigapple2625, you are not an engineer, and it is obvious. We know you all poured concrete all over your natural beauty in New York. There is no structural integrity left in those decimated mountain tops. And by the way, how the F#ck did you want us to build up there you idiot? Go find some crack on the corner and shut up.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
I'd rather have a job then a fancy looking scenic view. Coal gives KY jobs and electricity.
kirbienstien 2 years ago
@kirbienstien Would you rather have a job in a different field or would you rather contribute to the extinction of mankind on planet Earth? That's the real question!
famousPhotog 1 year ago
@kirbienstien, and thats why you are probably an unemployed meth-smoking idiot. It doesn't matter what you think, because you don't have the cognitive capacity to think. Keep flipping your burgers and stuffing your face, and definitly shut the hell up, you uneducated redneck chump.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
no body really has any idea of what there even saying. Always wanting to blame everything on something. Some people get lung cancer and never touch a cigerette. Your always going to have some that say,,, " They must have been exposed to second hand smoke.".
meandrandi 2 years ago
@meandrandi, uh, we are talking about mountains here moron. Take your stupid opinions to the Hannah Montana page dipshit.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
coal companties are destroying the mountains Ky, Va, WV.. and CEO"s couldnt care less, they are raping the mountains and stealing the coal from the people of the mountains... my grandmother and grandfather live in ky and there home, drinking water have been destroyed.....enough is enough... make the coal companties pay!!!! and the us goverment dont give a fuck about the mountain people, us goverment knows if they build roads and bring jobs to the mountains, they cant have the coal them!!!!
TennesseeNurselady 2 years ago
Maybe its just me, but this clip would be much more powerful with some old school Anthrax or Metallica as the soundtrack.
BrownMasterFlash 2 years ago
F***ya did I say the water was black for 30+ yrs?
NO I said I lived there for that long.
You live in Whitesville so why are you telling those that live there nothing is wrong with their water? Do you know anything about what coal is "cleaned" with? Maybe you should read up on it.
Also does your Mother know what a potty mouth you have F***ya?
Prentergirl1 2 years ago
I have questions, if the water in Prenter is bad from run-off, then what about the creek? The WV DNR stock trout in that stream. Trout can't survive in polluted streams, yet they thrive in that one. I was just wondering if anyone can explain how some ground water is contaminated, and some is not.
spudly58 2 years ago
Bad water at Prenter is caused by a combination of things. Run-off in part but mostly the billions of gallons of slurry injected underground. Residents water quality can be effected by the depth of wells and the saturation of the ground. Example, rainy seasons water quality is generally better than dry seasons because rain water dilutes toxic water. DNR reports show that companies have illegally dumped billions of gallons of slurry above their permits thus contaminating residents water.
wvwatergirl 2 years ago
How exactly does rain water dilute "toxic" water" when rain wait contains an adequate amount of acids??? DNR reports or DEP reports??? LOL
fuckyamountains 2 years ago
Does the fact that DEP has the records change them? The fact is that the companies have no regard for the laws that are here to protect innocent peolple like us. And yes, the Hudson was contaminated approx 30 years ago, but most people learn from their mistakes and correct them instead of fighting to cover them up. Again....ignorance.
wvwatergirl 2 years ago 2
the Prenter well water is contaminated from underground slurry injection, not runoff. I am not aware of anyone saying the creek water is contaminated. Apparently the aquifer is far enough below the drainage that it hasnt contaminated the creek.
mountainjustice 2 years ago
I DO NOT find anything funny about Prenter's black drinking water! I have lived in Prenter for 30+ yrs and yes there is something wrong with the water. Wait until the trial and you can see the test results. BTW where did you say you live?
Prentergirl1 2 years ago
I live in whitesville, and you are saying that prenter has had black drinking water for 30+ years now? LOL...
TIP: Everyone get together and get your story straight before bringing a lawsuit. It lets you stand a better chance of winning if you all have a solid story!
fuckyamountains 2 years ago
Slurry impoundments are not necessary. Coal companies can use dry press equipment, such as the belt presses manufactured by Phoenix Processing to remove liquid from the slurry. The semi-dry waste can be handled safely without building impoundments.
How do you feel about the 125 people killed at Buffalo Creek?
mountainjustice 2 years ago
Dry press waste... Kinda like the coal ash that was stored in the TVA pond that broke. Not volitale until water is introduced, then it becomes really unstable. Atleast slurry sinks to the bottom of the impoundment, unlike the patty cakes that are left behind from dry press, which is like quick sand. And how exactly do you plan on keep the semi-dry waste in one spot without an impoundment type of dam?
fuckyamountains 2 years ago
@fuckyamountains, you are way too knowledgeable to keep spreading the hate and lies that you do. You are proof that these incredibly sinful folks running mining operations know exactly what they are doing. I bet on your deathbed you will cry out for God in fear of your terrible life and its consequences. He will not hear you, because he hates you.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
I wish everybody that didn't support coal would gather up and go to a deserted island somewhere far away and live in the dark!
MrKycoalminer 2 years ago
Coal Miner - I dont know one person in Kentucky who doesnt support coal mining. But many Kentuckians are opposed to mountaintop removal mining.
We are not opposed to underground mining, which will bring back a lot of jobs and put our miners to work. We support miners!
The problem is that our leaders and the fake phony public relations group "FACES of Coal" are telling miners that we are "against coal." Its not true, dont believe these wicked liars.
mountainjustice 2 years ago
BULLSHIT!!! You all want all forms of coal mining stopped, and you want the coal fired power plants shut down! Why don't you climb your ass in a 32-36 inch coal seam and see if you like it!!! MTR is used close to the MOUNTAINTOP where room and pillar mining isn't very safe. Not enough rock over your head so it breaks easier!
fuckyamountains 2 years ago
Please give me the name of one environmentalist in Kentucky who wants to stop underground coal mining.
mountainjustice 2 years ago
I don't know or want to know any enviro-freaks in KY... You may not want to stop room and pillar, but your associated with a group that does.
fuckyamountains 2 years ago
Well you claimed to know what we think ... but it turns out that you have never even talked to an environmentalist in KY.
In afct there is not one environmental group in Kentucky that wants to stop underground mining. We want it done safely to protect the miners ... but we dont want to stop it. We are against mountaintop removal.
mountainjustice 2 years ago
@fuckyamountains, fuckyalife. It is worthless and meaningless and that is why you are so hateful to the Earth and mining communities. You probably cry every night because no one can stand being around your hateful soul.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@fuckyamountains, your entire life is the bullshit. We are not against all forms of mining. Do you research you fool. Keep lining your pockets like a fatcat liar that wil burn like bacon in the afterlife.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@JeffisfromKentucky Not against all kinds of mining???? It sure as hell sounds like it you stupid motherfucker. Against MTM, against slurry ponds, against coal all together because it "pollutes" your atmosphere. If I do end up going to hell, I will make sure I sit beside of you so I can aggravate your goofy ass for the rest of eternity. I live in a mining community, if you don't like it then move, simple as that! And I have plenty of friends!!! :) Have a nice day dipshit!
fuckyamountains 1 year ago
@fuckyamountains, Lots of things pollute the atmosphere, hell, even cow farts produce enough methane to add to the problem. I realize that you are pissed off, and that makes me think I struck a chord with you. That feeling inside that you think is anger towards me is actually a condition in the psyche. Its called guilt, sadness, emptiness. When the coal is gone, you move on to another moneymaking scheme. When we save the mountains, we are happy. Look it up, I know you don't understand happy.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@MrKycoalminer, we are talking about ONE type of coal mining you jackass.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
A coal miners daughter raised in a coal mining town. Coal mining put shoes on my and my siblings feet. Coal mining severance tax pays for many many projects most of which are not even in the coal towns. It's hard to say it any better than clovergal7024 did.. But hey, if you don't support coal, don't use electricity!!!!
goharlan 2 years ago
Coal mining is an important part of Kentucky's history. Mountain Justice supports underground mining, we are opposed to mountaintop removal mining and valley fills.
We are also opposed to poisoning the public water supply. The coal industry is contaminating our rivers and streams with black water. Are you a supporter of poisoned water for the families and children of Kentucky?
mountainjustice 2 years ago
AMEN!
RiaKentucky 2 years ago
@goharlan, I have family in Harlan County, so let me start this by saying with no unresearched bias, you are a complete idiot. No one here is talking about stopping coal mining. We are talking about mountaintop removal ONLY. I know the schools there suck, but seriously, do some research about what we are talking about. MTR takes YOUR job away eventually you blind moron.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
@goharlan, electricity is generated using other technologies as well. I know they didn' teach you that in Harlan County, because they successfully dooped you into supporting destruction. AND AGAIN, LIKE I KEEP TELLING YOUR PRO-MTR BUDDIES, WE ARE AGAINST ONLY ONE ONE ONE TYPE OF MINING! I am pro-jobs and pro-mountains. Severence means they FIRED hardworking miners, are you proud of that???
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
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clovergal7024 2 years ago 2
Mountain Justice supports underground mining. We are against mountaintop removal mining.
If they ban MTR, thousands of new jobs will be created digging coal underground.
It might mean less profit for Caterpillar and the coal bosses, but who cares?
Mountain Justice supports jobs, families and miners
UKbadneighbor 2 years ago
The coal mined during MTR cannot be mined underground. You can't fit a man in a 12 to 14 inch coal seem to dig it out. There are places to deep mine, and places to strip mine...but they are both very important.
WV24985 2 years ago
So, we destroy one of God's mountains for 12 inches of coal! Leave it there and build a wind farm.
hebintn 2 years ago
You still have to flatten some land, build roads, and pray that the wind blows 24/7 dumbass! Oh yeah, and what about the endangered Indiana bats???
fuckyamountains 2 years ago
Deep mines will continue. Mountaintop mines gotta go. And, face facts folks, coal is dirty from start to finish and will, God willing, be replaced soon with clean energy which will furnish jobs for miners that will be long lasting and safer.
hebintn 2 years ago
@clovergal7024
12 miles underground, really? Take you caplocks off. It won't make your assertion any more credible, but it might make you look a little less stupib (not really).
kliljedahl 1 year ago
@clovergal7024, hey moron, we ALL support underground miners. In case you couldn't find the Hannah Montana website for idiots, we are talking about a very specific method of extracting coal. It is amazing how stupid people are.
JeffisfromKentucky 1 year ago
I met some of you guy's at Wisteria's Cornstalk festival . Keep up the good work! Subscribed.
michaelispan 2 years ago
We in NY thank you Ky coal miners for our electricity. Dont give in to a few radical wackos who dont understand how their electricity is produced.
bigapple2625 2 years ago 3
@bigapple2625 So you are thankful that KY coal mining companies are unwilling to pursue modern cleaner methods of generating electricity, and are therefore destroying not only Kentucky, but also the NY Adirondacks with the acid rain caused by the burning of coal? Is this what you are saying, because most New Yorkers are NOT happy about this?!
famousPhotog 1 year ago
@famousPhotog Buddy I live in Kentucky, if we had a better way of doing it, we'd do it. We're not the bad guys here. In case you haven't realized it, coal is what we got. We live in mountains bro, just in case you didn't know. To not use it would be a waste. I'm pretty sure we'll eventually get to better methods, but it can't be an immediate change.
DamnGamertag69 1 year ago