Too stupid to come up with anything original, this is coming from a faggot that begins all of his insults with "here's an idea...". Good grief, you're a bigger faggot than I could have ever imagined. I don't care how much Coheed and Cumbria jizz you like to swill in the public eye for all to see. Play captain save-a-ho for a faggot band all you want, I find it hilarious. It makes perfect sense for some douche with a piece of shit guitar and zero skills. You're fucking terrible.
Chris's drumming was much better served in Dillinger than coheed, that said i also think billy in dillinger is a far btter drummer than pennie, and Josh was a far far better drummer in coheed! So he's a good drummer just dosnt fit anywhere at the moment. He really does fuck up alot of joshes original simplicity \m/
Are you all fucking retarded. Now Chris Pennie is getting recognition playing with one of the most musically talented bands around instead of with that screaming idiot band. Takes a lot of "talent" to scream whatever the fuck you want into a mic and and play whatever on your instruments. Coheed actually follows a melody and plays music that appeals to what you feel... besides being a retard wanting to punch someone because you think you are a badass.
@StopRunningKid you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Dmitri didnt and Greg don't just scream whatever they want into the mic. Ben writes some of the most complex music this side of old time jazz and very few bands can actually recreate the studio sound live and play with as much energy as dillinger escape plan..plus when you have guys like Jens from Meshuggah and of all people, Lars of metallica singing your praise you are doing something right..
Calculating Infinity and Irony is a Dead Scene are the only good things that DEP has contributed to music. As far as I'm concerned, DEP sucks as hard a Coheed. At least Chris is enjoying playing with a terrible band instead of hating it.
@Nervosos D --> Here's another idea... you are an idiot with a lack of taste in good music. All singers envy Claudios ability to sing in pitches others only dream to hit and the music is awesome because it actually appeals to the ears of people who aren't complete idiots. So you listen to your piece of shit Dillinger, and stop trying to come up with lame alternate titles to bands that don't even correctly flow. I know you tried, but you're hurting your head thinking too much.
@StopRunningKid No, here is an idea for you. Go back to your fucking room and make more videos of you playing your piece of shit faggot guitar you curly headed queef huffer. No one gives a fuck if you like to suck Coheed and Gaymbria's dick all the live long day.
@Nervosos D --> Wow, haha. You're a little pissy, huh? Pissy enough to go on my channel. I know I'm an awesome guitar player and have a beautiful guitar, so say whatever you want about that. Because my Gibson's Les Paul, Buckethead signature, $2800 dollar guitar is a piece of shit... sure. So the best brand guitar used by the best guitarist alive is a piece of shit? C001 story bro. You go ahead and whack off to the video you have of that shirtless fat guy you favorited you lonely weird fuck.
@Nervosos D --> Yes indeed. I'm glad you are still talking with me since I obviously have no friends and I hope you keep chatting with me, or maybe you can stop being a queer and just admit that Coheed has way more talent than you could ever hope for. They are much better than anything you want to be. Obviously you didn't have a comeback to my last comment since you only said one sentence and it's what I said, but don't worry. Obviously you're too stupid to come up with something original.
@Nervosos D --> Fucking shit! Well damn... I can't beat that actually. I guess you win this one, but shit... damnit fucking Mic! That is so unfair. He's always been a druggie, but now he does this shit!
Chris Pennie himself said HES MORE COMFORTABLE in Coheed and Cambria... I think u should all have respect for that instead of bitching. Both Dillinger and Coheed are fucking amazing so shut ur cock holes and enjoy the music from both bands.
To be honest I don't see what all the bitching is about. I would prefer it if Pennie had stayed in DEP as I liked Eppard better with Coheed but things are the way they are and DEP have had two other powerhouse drummers. They've hardly gotten worse since Pennie left, so stop bitching and enjoy both bands.
wow how many people have left that fucking band im pretty sure theres a reason people leave bands for new ones mainly because the old one sucked. You do sound just like the band though a bunch of whiny fucking pricks
it won't - it doesn't fit there style. He plays what fits with coheed, whereas this stuff fit with DEP. The man has a bottomless reserve...most drummers say "yeh, I play at 90%" or whatever so they have that little something extra to wow with. Chris has infinity at his disposal...his 5% is most players 100% of effort
so basically everyone here thinks drummers shouldn't be able to like different styles of music..and should be confined to one band...well yea you play dillinger for how ever many years he did and then tell me youre not worn out...especially if you like ALLL styles of music much like chris
Yea. Making music for a living with people he now probably calls his bests friends was a stupid decision on his part. What a bad decision to come to a band that has had success in the past, and moving away from a band that just bickered and argued all the time.
wow. This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Kill yourself. He wasn't anything after DEP. Watch him play Aphex Twin's "Come to Daddy" and learn something.
dude that mad man just got tired of the mathcore, going strong for just about a decade on that dillinger, anywho I can see that like any talented musician he needs a change of pace and or paygrade, people might think he sold out or whatever the fuck yall think but the reality is this is his carreer he is looking out for and this wasnt a bad way to get his foot in the door in the more finacialy stable indie pop-rock arena. I have much respect for this genius. That is all.
holy shit dude! thnx for posting this. I was there that same day, and then went to their show at the macewan hall. me and him talked about druming and what not, got a picture and autograph. picked up NWFT on vinyl as well. ill upload a video that i took..
Arguing about who is the better drummer seems childish... Though it's glaringly obvious that Chris came FROM Dillinger to rock Coheed, where as Josh wouldn't be able to spill a single measure of Dillinger's music... They are both amazing musicians and should be respected as such. It's funny when musicians of that size and notability make changes in their career and all the fans wig out as if they expected him to play for that group for decades to come... It's called evolving...
i just saw dillinger in a basement in new brunswick a couple months ago and it was the most glorious, sweaty, bloody, epic show ever. way better than any arena show
I like coheed and DEP. so as a non-bias fan I will say Pennies talents are wasted in coheed and cambria. I like them and all, but they are flat out guitar driven rock music. theres very little for the drummer to do.
however, hed also be wasted in new DEP as well. alot of DEP fans need to stop walking around with their noses in the air. calculating infinity was a masterpiece, miss machine was eeeeh. hit and miss. ire works is simplistic and boring. it was cookie cutter.you can see why he left.
Coheed is progressive rock. I don't see how anyone who has listened to their work could POSSIBLY call them pop. Songs like Feathers and A Favor House Atlantic are kind of poppy, but Welcome Home and The Final Cut aren't at all. And they certainly aren't a rip-off of Rush; they use some of Rush's basics but the music itself is different. Show some respect to a great band, please :P
First, let me say that Coheed is my favorite band of all time. I liked Eppard with them, but now with Pennie, wow. their new album with him actually in the studio recording the drums will sound amazing. Second, whoever claims coheed to be pop should maybe consider listening to, hmm, i don't know, an album maybe? Instead of people hearing A Favor House Atlantic and discarding them as a poppy bubblegum band. but anywho, Pennie is a friggin amazing drummer.
i find it funny that even though he left dillinger for coheed, and he wants to show off his skills...he is still playing a dillinger song. this is sunshine the wolf that he is playing
he left the most talented group of musicians (The Dillinger Escape Plan) to play pop music with the guys who had a song in rock band. he did it for the money and pennie's too good to be in coheed
stop trying to act like you know im speaking latin and trying to tell everyone how cool you are that you know it..it doesnt make you sound cool either, you sped.
youre a young tard, its ok. dont get so agitated.
I used it in context, so it was necessary. arguing and comparing two completely different genres is a complete logical fallacy, or non sequitor. go to school. im not gonna argue with a high school tard like you all day.
Lol. Ok. When i say this, u prboably think i'm lying just to get ahead but i'm not. First time i said that thing, i was joking, second time i said something it was because u did. I wasn't being serious dude. Third, high school students know more then u'd think ;)
more talented than DEP? in what respect? because DEP is respected as one of the most technically talented metal bands ever. they're friggin mathcore for chrissake
Having seen coheed live before chris and now that he's with them, they are MUCH better off with Pennie. He does a lot of stuff that Eppard didn't do. Not to say that Josh couldn't have... he just didn't. The super fast drum rolls, the odd time signatures, the drum solo's, the double kicking... none of it was there before Chris. Plus Chris is way more entertaining live. With Josh it was like... he was just there, with Chris it's like having a whole new thing to watch when seeing coheed live.
That's a pretty thick limb. He is waaay better than Josh...Does he fit Coheed as well? Still debatable, but he sounds better and better every time I see a new video put up on youtube.
Too stupid to come up with anything original, this is coming from a faggot that begins all of his insults with "here's an idea...". Good grief, you're a bigger faggot than I could have ever imagined. I don't care how much Coheed and Cumbria jizz you like to swill in the public eye for all to see. Play captain save-a-ho for a faggot band all you want, I find it hilarious. It makes perfect sense for some douche with a piece of shit guitar and zero skills. You're fucking terrible.
Nervosos 8 months ago
Chris's drumming was much better served in Dillinger than coheed, that said i also think billy in dillinger is a far btter drummer than pennie, and Josh was a far far better drummer in coheed! So he's a good drummer just dosnt fit anywhere at the moment. He really does fuck up alot of joshes original simplicity \m/
dreadly101 10 months ago
Are you all fucking retarded. Now Chris Pennie is getting recognition playing with one of the most musically talented bands around instead of with that screaming idiot band. Takes a lot of "talent" to scream whatever the fuck you want into a mic and and play whatever on your instruments. Coheed actually follows a melody and plays music that appeals to what you feel... besides being a retard wanting to punch someone because you think you are a badass.
StopRunningKid 10 months ago
@StopRunningKid you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Dmitri didnt and Greg don't just scream whatever they want into the mic. Ben writes some of the most complex music this side of old time jazz and very few bands can actually recreate the studio sound live and play with as much energy as dillinger escape plan..plus when you have guys like Jens from Meshuggah and of all people, Lars of metallica singing your praise you are doing something right..
johndillinger1932 8 months ago
To all the Coheed haters: find the nearest cliff/tall building and cast your worthless being from the top. Thank you.
1d0drum 1 year ago
Calculating Infinity and Irony is a Dead Scene are the only good things that DEP has contributed to music. As far as I'm concerned, DEP sucks as hard a Coheed. At least Chris is enjoying playing with a terrible band instead of hating it.
DontPieceMe221 1 year ago
Coheed and Gaymbria
Nervosos 1 year ago
@Nervosos D --> Here's an idea... fuck you.
StopRunningKid 8 months ago
@StopRunningKid Here's an idea, Coheed and Gaymbria sucks all the dicks. Faggot singer, faggot music, faggot band.
Nervosos 8 months ago
@Nervosos D --> Here's another idea... you are an idiot with a lack of taste in good music. All singers envy Claudios ability to sing in pitches others only dream to hit and the music is awesome because it actually appeals to the ears of people who aren't complete idiots. So you listen to your piece of shit Dillinger, and stop trying to come up with lame alternate titles to bands that don't even correctly flow. I know you tried, but you're hurting your head thinking too much.
StopRunningKid 8 months ago
@StopRunningKid No, here is an idea for you. Go back to your fucking room and make more videos of you playing your piece of shit faggot guitar you curly headed queef huffer. No one gives a fuck if you like to suck Coheed and Gaymbria's dick all the live long day.
Nervosos 8 months ago
@Nervosos D --> Wow, haha. You're a little pissy, huh? Pissy enough to go on my channel. I know I'm an awesome guitar player and have a beautiful guitar, so say whatever you want about that. Because my Gibson's Les Paul, Buckethead signature, $2800 dollar guitar is a piece of shit... sure. So the best brand guitar used by the best guitarist alive is a piece of shit? C001 story bro. You go ahead and whack off to the video you have of that shirtless fat guy you favorited you lonely weird fuck.
StopRunningKid 8 months ago
@StopRunningKid "I know I'm an awesome guitar player" LOL
Nervosos 8 months ago
@Nervosos D --> Yes indeed. I'm glad you are still talking with me since I obviously have no friends and I hope you keep chatting with me, or maybe you can stop being a queer and just admit that Coheed has way more talent than you could ever hope for. They are much better than anything you want to be. Obviously you didn't have a comeback to my last comment since you only said one sentence and it's what I said, but don't worry. Obviously you're too stupid to come up with something original.
StopRunningKid 8 months ago
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Nervosos 7 months ago
@StopRunningKid Hahaha This band is full of winners, the bassist was just arrested for armed robbery. Great stuff.
Nervosos 7 months ago
@Nervosos D --> Fucking shit! Well damn... I can't beat that actually. I guess you win this one, but shit... damnit fucking Mic! That is so unfair. He's always been a druggie, but now he does this shit!
StopRunningKid 7 months ago
Everyone that thinks Coheed sucks, go listen to the new song "Guns Of Summer".
DemonInJerseyCity 1 year ago
Chris Pennie himself said HES MORE COMFORTABLE in Coheed and Cambria... I think u should all have respect for that instead of bitching. Both Dillinger and Coheed are fucking amazing so shut ur cock holes and enjoy the music from both bands.
kylejamescarr 1 year ago 2
He isn't in Coheed in Cambria...at least I won't believe it, because Blowheed eats butt and sucks nuts. DEP FTW.
holyday888 1 year ago
To be honest I don't see what all the bitching is about. I would prefer it if Pennie had stayed in DEP as I liked Eppard better with Coheed but things are the way they are and DEP have had two other powerhouse drummers. They've hardly gotten worse since Pennie left, so stop bitching and enjoy both bands.
oscarstegland 2 years ago 2
No band is better then the other, stop thinking you know whats right. Its all opinion.
IPreventforestfires 2 years ago
wow how many people have left that fucking band im pretty sure theres a reason people leave bands for new ones mainly because the old one sucked. You do sound just like the band though a bunch of whiny fucking pricks
mutatingfred24 2 years ago
man i hope the next coheed album has drumming like this...
jellyface 2 years ago 2
it won't - it doesn't fit there style. He plays what fits with coheed, whereas this stuff fit with DEP. The man has a bottomless reserve...most drummers say "yeh, I play at 90%" or whatever so they have that little something extra to wow with. Chris has infinity at his disposal...his 5% is most players 100% of effort
NYdubber 2 years ago 6
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great drummer and now in a great band that doesnt sound like shit. Such as the old in which chris was the only good thing about it
mutatingfred24 2 years ago
great drummer in an awful band
calypso99 2 years ago 2
coheed and cambria is LAME. Chris is excellent though.
HippieDrummer06 2 years ago 5
*Chris Pennie - the powerhouse drummer of Dillinger Escape Plan
Gonnasliceyou 2 years ago 36
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URallangry 2 years ago
not crazy about his style but i still admit hes a very good drummer
dmcoheed18 2 years ago
so basically everyone here thinks drummers shouldn't be able to like different styles of music..and should be confined to one band...well yea you play dillinger for how ever many years he did and then tell me youre not worn out...especially if you like ALLL styles of music much like chris
polock2112 2 years ago
He's an excellent drummer, whoever sais he's not good must know nothing about drums....
bettongo 2 years ago 12
you're a waste of a life. suck a dick [surisis]
thatl0velyg1rl 2 years ago
You don't know anything about Chris Pennie's past in music apparently...
CamerOneiric 2 years ago
you dont know anything about coheed and cambria. same shit
thatl0velyg1rl 2 years ago
it'd be like if neil peart decided to play in Limp bizkit.
Surisis1983 2 years ago 7
Surisis is indeed correct, chris pennie will forever be my inspiration but coheed was a baddd descision
xabacabb669 2 years ago
Yea. Making music for a living with people he now probably calls his bests friends was a stupid decision on his part. What a bad decision to come to a band that has had success in the past, and moving away from a band that just bickered and argued all the time.
STBonecrusher21 2 years ago
his talent in coheed is an utter waste.
Surisis1983 2 years ago
Exactly.
CamerOneiric 2 years ago
hmm.. pairing with two excellent guitarists and the best bassist in music is a waste.
Shabutie97 2 years ago 2
wow. This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Kill yourself. He wasn't anything after DEP. Watch him play Aphex Twin's "Come to Daddy" and learn something.
bubblebath01 2 years ago
i like josh
i praise Chris Pennie
i liked Dillinger escape plan
i liked coheed and cambria
key word liked
joelax10 2 years ago
dude that mad man just got tired of the mathcore, going strong for just about a decade on that dillinger, anywho I can see that like any talented musician he needs a change of pace and or paygrade, people might think he sold out or whatever the fuck yall think but the reality is this is his carreer he is looking out for and this wasnt a bad way to get his foot in the door in the more finacialy stable indie pop-rock arena. I have much respect for this genius. That is all.
mrwhiskerbutt 2 years ago 3
Such a shame that his talent will be going to waste because he's in Coheed now.
All he can do to show himself off now, is do solos.
Press1ToParty 2 years ago
fuck your life
eedTV 2 years ago 2
holy shit dude! thnx for posting this. I was there that same day, and then went to their show at the macewan hall. me and him talked about druming and what not, got a picture and autograph. picked up NWFT on vinyl as well. ill upload a video that i took..
playdead616 2 years ago
EDIT: just realized this is AXE music's page :P
playdead616 2 years ago
Arguing about who is the better drummer seems childish... Though it's glaringly obvious that Chris came FROM Dillinger to rock Coheed, where as Josh wouldn't be able to spill a single measure of Dillinger's music... They are both amazing musicians and should be respected as such. It's funny when musicians of that size and notability make changes in their career and all the fans wig out as if they expected him to play for that group for decades to come... It's called evolving...
drumyourfaceoff84 3 years ago 3
i'd rather play intimate shows and fuck shit up
pearldrums91 3 years ago
i still can't figure out why any drummer would leave dillinger for coheed
WillWatson23 3 years ago 4
please take him back..id rather have josh
uncletaters666 3 years ago
plain drummers soung better in bland music
WillWatson23 3 years ago
josh is terrible compared to chris haha. he wouldn't last two seconds in dillinger.
pearldrums91 3 years ago
yea man. he must be so bored behind the set now. whos going to light his drums on fire in coheed?
pearldrums91 3 years ago
im sure he'll have fun playing packed out arenas and good music from now on
tomwrightt 3 years ago
YEHHHH BROOO ARENASSSS
i just saw dillinger in a basement in new brunswick a couple months ago and it was the most glorious, sweaty, bloody, epic show ever. way better than any arena show
bearvsshaan 2 years ago
im big coheed fan and i will admit that chris is overall a better drummer, although i believe josh was a better fit for the band
obtom1331 3 years ago 2
I like coheed and DEP. so as a non-bias fan I will say Pennies talents are wasted in coheed and cambria. I like them and all, but they are flat out guitar driven rock music. theres very little for the drummer to do.
however, hed also be wasted in new DEP as well. alot of DEP fans need to stop walking around with their noses in the air. calculating infinity was a masterpiece, miss machine was eeeeh. hit and miss. ire works is simplistic and boring. it was cookie cutter.you can see why he left.
stebe1985 3 years ago 3
Come on man, you can't call Fix your face, Lurch, 82588, Nong Eye Gong and more cookie cutter...Black Bubblegum and Milk Lizard are though, yes.
starkykins 2 years ago 2
I dont understand how he can play their stuff and not be bored. Its so easy.
PandorasSecret13 3 years ago 6
i agree
oyeizjaimito 3 years ago
chris is an overall better player than josh
but i like josh's groove that not many drummers have.
iwazused 3 years ago
Coheed is progressive rock. I don't see how anyone who has listened to their work could POSSIBLY call them pop. Songs like Feathers and A Favor House Atlantic are kind of poppy, but Welcome Home and The Final Cut aren't at all. And they certainly aren't a rip-off of Rush; they use some of Rush's basics but the music itself is different. Show some respect to a great band, please :P
DrummerCoCa 3 years ago 3
First, let me say that Coheed is my favorite band of all time. I liked Eppard with them, but now with Pennie, wow. their new album with him actually in the studio recording the drums will sound amazing. Second, whoever claims coheed to be pop should maybe consider listening to, hmm, i don't know, an album maybe? Instead of people hearing A Favor House Atlantic and discarding them as a poppy bubblegum band. but anywho, Pennie is a friggin amazing drummer.
birrrddd1972 3 years ago
i find it funny that even though he left dillinger for coheed, and he wants to show off his skills...he is still playing a dillinger song. this is sunshine the wolf that he is playing
iggykiller 3 years ago
I don't hear any of sunshine here...
sjmrisingforce 3 years ago 2
he didnt do it for the money u fuckin retard
learn your info b4 u say anything on the internet dumbass and i fuckin love dillinger too bad him and ben wernt getting along
adead1 3 years ago
he left the most talented group of musicians (The Dillinger Escape Plan) to play pop music with the guys who had a song in rock band. he did it for the money and pennie's too good to be in coheed
jizzle8585 3 years ago
fuck u!you gonna see that chris pennie are going to be a big part of coheed and cambria, can`t wait for the next album and songs!
gese5 3 years ago
Yes, such a waste of a super drummer. Leaving DEP sad, going to a pop band sadiest. I only hope they make better music because of it.
GTOjimbo 3 years ago
A pop band? You need to go buy some of the albums and stop listening to the singles they put out.
Shabutie545 3 years ago
can't stand them sorry
GTOjimbo 3 years ago
Theres no way you can call coheed a pop band!!! Id heard of them way before rock band and Coheed are at least if not more talented than DEP
Syreax 3 years ago
thats an invalid judgment. they are two completely different genres.
your comment is non sequitor.
SteveSkatesCrummy 3 years ago
stop speaking latin it doesn't make u sound cool
juble2 3 years ago
stop trying to act like you know im speaking latin and trying to tell everyone how cool you are that you know it..it doesnt make you sound cool either, you sped.
SteveSkatesCrummy 3 years ago
you used it so unnecessarily. And no one even knew what you meant. You just think ur so cool.
juble2 3 years ago
And second, I'm in latin three so I think i know a little bit of latin. bitch
juble2 3 years ago
youre a young tard, its ok. dont get so agitated.
I used it in context, so it was necessary. arguing and comparing two completely different genres is a complete logical fallacy, or non sequitor. go to school. im not gonna argue with a high school tard like you all day.
SteveSkatesCrummy 3 years ago
Lol. Ok. When i say this, u prboably think i'm lying just to get ahead but i'm not. First time i said that thing, i was joking, second time i said something it was because u did. I wasn't being serious dude. Third, high school students know more then u'd think ;)
juble2 3 years ago
What?¿¿?¿?
trempatrompa666 3 years ago
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They're pop.
barejokes2 3 years ago
you're pop.
h9stjarr 3 years ago
???
barejokes2 3 years ago
Theres no way you can call coheed more talented than The Dillinger Escape plan!!
oyeizjaimito 3 years ago 6
more talented than DEP? in what respect? because DEP is respected as one of the most technically talented metal bands ever. they're friggin mathcore for chrissake
YogritMUN 3 years ago
joke
bearvsshaan 2 years ago
Coheeds not pop they are progressive rock...
twlightdarkness 3 years ago
prog METAL
zackmeadows1 3 years ago
lol, prog metal? you're an idiot, kthnx.
RathskellarQuaff 3 years ago
How am i an idiot on coheed's new album there are some pretty heavy riffs which suggest them being more metal.
zackmeadows1 3 years ago
name one song that sounds remotely metal
RathskellarQuaff 3 years ago
No world for tomorrow, the final cut
zackmeadows1 3 years ago
meh, the final cut has more of a bluesy solo which puts the metal idea to an end and nwft kinda starts out metal but not really much after that
RathskellarQuaff 3 years ago
he did a like a 15 minute drum solo the next day at the concert
Zbudd420 3 years ago
So at least the audience got something worth listening to!
tresbling 3 years ago 2
Having seen coheed live before chris and now that he's with them, they are MUCH better off with Pennie. He does a lot of stuff that Eppard didn't do. Not to say that Josh couldn't have... he just didn't. The super fast drum rolls, the odd time signatures, the drum solo's, the double kicking... none of it was there before Chris. Plus Chris is way more entertaining live. With Josh it was like... he was just there, with Chris it's like having a whole new thing to watch when seeing coheed live.
bigvaden 3 years ago
chris may be a good drummer but i miss seeing josh
harrymasononvacation 3 years ago
By far my favorite drummer.
willywonka9385 3 years ago
one of the biggest influences on my musically
drews 3 years ago
I was there when he was playing! He was amazing
reviewtime 3 years ago
Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that Chris is better than josh
WA1WARRIOR 3 years ago
That's a pretty thick limb. He is waaay better than Josh...Does he fit Coheed as well? Still debatable, but he sounds better and better every time I see a new video put up on youtube.
jonwangcb 3 years ago
You don't have to go very far out on that limb... His final cut solo in Vegas(July 25, '08) left me speechless. Absolutely incredible!!
RedFire21 3 years ago