Its true that this was a replication of Milgrams original obedience tests (with some liberties being taken with context). But rather than deference to authority, I think this particular replication says more about today's culture of wanna-be celebrities, and how far people will go to be in the limelight. What with the majority of TV shows being reality-based nowadays, I'd happily wager that if this example was repeated in any modern society, it would yield more or less the same results.
This is false. Check out "The milgram experiment" a real scientific experiment. This has nothing to do with "people kill people because of media". Is more like because of authority.
@unclesamfatg It is milgrams obedience experiment on how people will diffuse responsibility and follow rules of the authoritative person and will go to fatal shocks.
@unclesamfatg Yeah Milgram was the original but this was using his experiment for different reasons because it was a good way to test their theory on the power of television. Just because the experiment may be the same, doesn't mean it can't be used in different ways. Many experiments are borrowed and altered to fit a new hypothesis. But I get you =)
I like how they don't even mention the fact that this is almost an exact replication of the Millgram experiment...or maybe they do and we just didn't see it. Either way...I'm surprised people keep falling for it. I wonder if they ever get a psychology student who is like. "heeyyyy...wait a minute.... alright you got me"
Humanity didn't get it the first time? This experiment is copied almost verbatim from a 1961 experiment leading to the book "Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View", by Yale Psychologist Stanley Milgram. The results are the same...though if they skew, I'd wager they might actually be a bit worse the second time around.
I use to hate this part of my psyche, but having decided it's there because I let it in, at least that means I have the equal power to pull it out again.
I don't believe that bullshit about the line separating reality and surreality being erased in the contestants minds. I don't care if you're on a game show or not, if someone asks you to kill someone, and you comply it's because you wanted to kill someone. Regardless of the convenient little veil you're hiding behind.
This is hardly new. In 1963, Stanley Milgram did exactly this experiment in a clinical setting. In fact, this documentary faithfully replicates the essential elements of this experiment and comes to the same conclusions.
The important difference is that Milgram showed we are all capable of doing this, whereas Nick is implying it only happens on TV.
Most probably you would have fallen for the experiment.
Imagine the pressure from the audience who says GO! The host who seems to have more power than you. Since you are in the game which you signed the contract to, there is more pressure for you not to quit.
When you are in a boat that is sinking, will you take immediate action to save yourself (and others) or would you freeze in fear, confused and not knowing what to do and thinking that you have no chance of survival, even when taking the chance being on a lifeboat in the middle of the sea? Over 60% will drown with boat in fear. There is only few who would act correctly, yes you can be snapped out of your fear, but if there is no one there to do that, you are just dazed.
its called schadenfreude and its been around for as long as humans have been walking this earth. why people conduct stupid research like this is beyond me, all you have to do is read a couple Shakespeare plays and you will know everything there is to know about human nature. assuming you haven't already figured it out already just from being alive...
Fuck now I hate people. I would rather watch a documentary on rainbows. Although if this french dude made it, it would prob turn out that rainbows cause cancer.
It goes to the similar direction to why I find "The funniest (?!!!) homevideos" type of thing very distasteful and perverse. I've noticed the same trend in sports videos as well as they show rather graphic injuries and then go repeat crazy over it.
People should get a sobering flap to their face before this thing escalates step by step. So I welcome this show.
@amsp79 What are you talking about? This experiment shines a light on a subject the public needs to be more aware of, ironically, the only way to get the public to listen would be to tell them via the brain drain.
@amsp79 So I'm not alone then. I don't know if I should be glad or not. It's nice not being alone, but if others see the same things it suggests I'm not off...and that spells who knows what for the human race.
@amsp79 you need to watch real shows then... Breaking Bad, Boardwalk Empire, Dexter, Sons Of Anarchy, and a shit load of others... there is plenty of TV that is intellectually stimulating, and well written
It's like the Nuremberg trials, the Nazis tried the "i was just following orders"... Well, they were all fooled by authority - and RIGHTFULLY hanged for it! :D
Remember the movie "Running man" with Arnold Schwarzenegger?
NWO, New World Order, is here.
Even the game shows are fascism, "strong" against "weak", "ugly" against "good looking" - the perspective of strong/handsome etc. is set by the NWO establishment.
I also love how people are assuming it's a result of sensationalist media desensitizing it. This phenomena is nothing new. All you need is a figure of neutral authority, and it'll work, usually regardless of background or level of exposure to modern media. the raised 20% since milgrams experiment could just as easily be caused by the peer pressure of the studio audience.
You are correct. It has ALWAYS been the case of how humans easily manipulated. Every heard of the angry mob effect? How normal people can hold and abuse slaves. How salem witch trials happened. All it takes is for someone who you place value in (this case the audience) to encourage you and say its ok. All most people need to do things is encouragement.
the human nature is a result of biology and societal conditioning throughout the ages. The harsh truth is that in the end, nice people are still subject to this principle. More can be done to raise awareness, starting the ball moving to biological change in later generations (instincts change fast if the environment makes an instinct detrimental)
Now show that to a libertarian and tell him: Thats why human interactions need to be controlled by a neutral force only bound by law and ethics, because humans do NOT act rational.
See, how he ignores the problem and then you know why everyone who tells you we should leave things to the market is a fraud.
Mankind has been committing acts of atrocious cruelty at the behest of those in power since history began. we dont need a tv documentary to tell us this.
but we do need a tv documentary like this to remind people because sadly most people don't look into history regularly or even think about things. So its a good reminder and thought provoking
Stanley Milgram "Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority."
People will torture you out of your mind and kill you if told to do so. I am glad to see the milgram experiment brought to light. These game shows are destroying people's souls and conditioning people to accept these modern day versions of the gladiator games.
I knew the number of participants was high even though ' frequencysoftware' said it was very low.And since I do not make a practice of intentionally misinforming people i looked it up.Something FS might do well to do also.But considering I was 8 at the time this took place I did rather well remembering this at all. :)
In 1961 In Milgram's experiments, 82.5 percent of the participants continued administering shocks even after hearing the first cries of pain at the alleged 150-volts level.
In Burger's replication, 70 percent also wanted to continue when they hit that same level. Google 'Researcher Finds Most Will Inflict Pain on Others If Prodded'.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Greg763 2 weeks ago
I love this, where can I see the full version?
sheeniue 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
COMING SOON ON FOX!!!
JoseTwitterFan 6 months ago
i clicked here for the hot lady
bondbaby213 6 months ago
@bondbaby213 You should watch this documentary instead , reality is shocking...
lupuradu 6 months ago
Makes no difference whether this was exactly like Milgrams experiment. That's beside the larger point.
This is the way humans will most likely behave under any circumstance wherein they are being told what to do by authorities.
spunkets 7 months ago
i was learning of this in my sociology class
randommegs 7 months ago
thats dumb, how is that entertainment?
MillsCrew88 8 months ago
Its true that this was a replication of Milgrams original obedience tests (with some liberties being taken with context). But rather than deference to authority, I think this particular replication says more about today's culture of wanna-be celebrities, and how far people will go to be in the limelight. What with the majority of TV shows being reality-based nowadays, I'd happily wager that if this example was repeated in any modern society, it would yield more or less the same results.
JohnWood2886 8 months ago
This is false. Check out "The milgram experiment" a real scientific experiment. This has nothing to do with "people kill people because of media". Is more like because of authority.
unclesamfatg 9 months ago
@unclesamfatg It is milgrams obedience experiment on how people will diffuse responsibility and follow rules of the authoritative person and will go to fatal shocks.
Type in Milgrams obedience experiment
94Villa 8 months ago
@unclesamfatg Yeah Milgram was the original but this was using his experiment for different reasons because it was a good way to test their theory on the power of television. Just because the experiment may be the same, doesn't mean it can't be used in different ways. Many experiments are borrowed and altered to fit a new hypothesis. But I get you =)
livindeadangel 8 months ago
I like how they don't even mention the fact that this is almost an exact replication of the Millgram experiment...or maybe they do and we just didn't see it. Either way...I'm surprised people keep falling for it. I wonder if they ever get a psychology student who is like. "heeyyyy...wait a minute.... alright you got me"
spishcadet 10 months ago 8
What a fucking awful commentators voice!
Jayprice100 11 months ago
Did the winners get the money. If it was me and i didn;t i would be pissed and go on a rampage
clergame 11 months ago
The french have always been cruel. What else is new!
kellystone84 11 months ago
@kellystone84 if you watch the opening of "the game", you'll can see that british telecast made some games inhumane.
(for the link of the first episode of the french broadcast, inscribe "jeu de la mort" and watch the 1/6 )
PS: sorry for the mistakes, french is my mother language.
fbelgium 10 months ago
Maybe it has less to do with obedience and more to do with Sadism
ChebbsMastaFlex 11 months ago
Humanity didn't get it the first time? This experiment is copied almost verbatim from a 1961 experiment leading to the book "Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View", by Yale Psychologist Stanley Milgram. The results are the same...though if they skew, I'd wager they might actually be a bit worse the second time around.
I use to hate this part of my psyche, but having decided it's there because I let it in, at least that means I have the equal power to pull it out again.
HotaruZoku 11 months ago 8
this is EXACTLY why religion works, people become little sheep
airbrat 1 year ago
I don't believe that bullshit about the line separating reality and surreality being erased in the contestants minds. I don't care if you're on a game show or not, if someone asks you to kill someone, and you comply it's because you wanted to kill someone. Regardless of the convenient little veil you're hiding behind.
FuckinHateNewUtube 1 year ago
@FuckinHateNewUtube Maybe you should read Obedience to Authority.
SYNC4ex 1 year ago
wow... horror.
warum tun diese Menschen das?
die0ali 1 year ago
Who's the brunette?
Donatellangelo 1 year ago
This is a documentary... not a real TV show
It's a reformulation of the Milgram experiment ... everyone's in on it (including the fake shock guy) except the participants
HarfangX 1 year ago
This is hardly new. In 1963, Stanley Milgram did exactly this experiment in a clinical setting. In fact, this documentary faithfully replicates the essential elements of this experiment and comes to the same conclusions.
The important difference is that Milgram showed we are all capable of doing this, whereas Nick is implying it only happens on TV.
bluebeard2 1 year ago 6
@bluebeard2 I believe he was merely replacing an authoritative figure with a TV setting to see if it had similar results.
SYNC4ex 1 year ago
see: Milgram experiment
redhouse79 1 year ago 4
@redhouse79 Yep!
PavedStones 1 year ago
Nuke France!
AFarCryDistantMemory 1 year ago
Fake and gay.
AndresUppsala1 1 year ago
Stupid humans.
looneytune3562 1 year ago
@looneytune3562 statistically, you'd probably have fallen for an experiment like this yourself if you didn't know about it...
same with me.
Exarian 1 year ago
@looneytune3562
Stupid?
Most probably you would have fallen for the experiment.
Imagine the pressure from the audience who says GO! The host who seems to have more power than you. Since you are in the game which you signed the contract to, there is more pressure for you not to quit.
This experiment can be changed in many ways.
LinkBulletBill 1 year ago
@looneytune3562
When you are in a boat that is sinking, will you take immediate action to save yourself (and others) or would you freeze in fear, confused and not knowing what to do and thinking that you have no chance of survival, even when taking the chance being on a lifeboat in the middle of the sea? Over 60% will drown with boat in fear. There is only few who would act correctly, yes you can be snapped out of your fear, but if there is no one there to do that, you are just dazed.
LinkBulletBill 1 year ago
its called schadenfreude and its been around for as long as humans have been walking this earth. why people conduct stupid research like this is beyond me, all you have to do is read a couple Shakespeare plays and you will know everything there is to know about human nature. assuming you haven't already figured it out already just from being alive...
anryth 1 year ago
'Tis Milgram's obedience experiment.
xmike87 1 year ago
Although we are humans, we are also animals.
Arend911 1 year ago
@Arend911 yeah animals torture each other to death because another animals tells them to all the time
DoJaenin 1 year ago
That's just another reason why I don't watch TV.
VariusMayhem 1 year ago
Fuck now I hate people. I would rather watch a documentary on rainbows. Although if this french dude made it, it would prob turn out that rainbows cause cancer.
robotpanda77 1 year ago
@robotpanda77
no? you're a retard? much?
LinkBulletBill 1 year ago
@robotpanda77 Well, technically since rainbows are visible electromagnetic waves... Oh never mind.
oloompop 1 year ago
Now I'm afraid that we are now living in society which is not conscious.
Norimante 1 year ago
Humans are incomplete beings. 82% accepted to torture those guys according to that research!!!!
valgrathblak 1 year ago 2
It goes to the similar direction to why I find "The funniest (?!!!) homevideos" type of thing very distasteful and perverse. I've noticed the same trend in sports videos as well as they show rather graphic injuries and then go repeat crazy over it.
People should get a sobering flap to their face before this thing escalates step by step. So I welcome this show.
miraenna 1 year ago
Nick is a populist asshole !!
guypi 1 year ago
in their place, what would I have done?
gibrangibran 1 year ago
hahahhha 0:36 "pissed-off nick"
HeyHeyHeyitskyle 1 year ago
I haven't watched TV in years, the intellectual level of the programming nowadays is outright embarrassing.
amsp79 1 year ago 52
@amsp79
British TV is actually good, Doctor Who, Mars On Life, Ashes To Ashes, etc!
All well done... but Life On Mars & Ashes To Ashes are over now, great series, better then shitty LOST...
LinkBulletBill 1 year ago
@amsp79 What are you talking about? This experiment shines a light on a subject the public needs to be more aware of, ironically, the only way to get the public to listen would be to tell them via the brain drain.
FuckinHateNewUtube 1 year ago
@amsp79 So I'm not alone then. I don't know if I should be glad or not. It's nice not being alone, but if others see the same things it suggests I'm not off...and that spells who knows what for the human race.
HotaruZoku 11 months ago
@amsp79 you need to watch real shows then... Breaking Bad, Boardwalk Empire, Dexter, Sons Of Anarchy, and a shit load of others... there is plenty of TV that is intellectually stimulating, and well written
videos4funOK 9 months ago
@amsp79 Because spending your time on YouTube is much more intellectually insightful.
HunterWFoster 2 months ago
@amsp79 yeah but this must be only in france
danniigurl111 1 month ago
It's like the Nuremberg trials, the Nazis tried the "i was just following orders"... Well, they were all fooled by authority - and RIGHTFULLY hanged for it! :D
clarkcolt45 1 year ago 4
@clarkcolt45
Well yeah they were just following orders... If they didn't... Well they died...
Most of them were nice people. Tried their best to help secretly...
It's a die or die situation.
Not all were hanged though...
LinkBulletBill 1 year ago
Remember the movie "Running man" with Arnold Schwarzenegger?
NWO, New World Order, is here.
Even the game shows are fascism, "strong" against "weak", "ugly" against "good looking" - the perspective of strong/handsome etc. is set by the NWO establishment.
It's blatantly obvious.
clarkcolt45 1 year ago
humans are easy to manipulate
darkaznlordx 1 year ago 54
@darkaznlordx People are easily fooled into believing they can manipulate others.
fitzyuc 1 year ago
@darkaznlordx they are intelligent yet gullablr
rantinat3r 1 year ago
Kill your TV.
Now.
hottr6 1 year ago 3
TV WILL KILL YOU DEAD ZOMBIES
baboonsquadron 1 year ago
I also love how people are assuming it's a result of sensationalist media desensitizing it. This phenomena is nothing new. All you need is a figure of neutral authority, and it'll work, usually regardless of background or level of exposure to modern media. the raised 20% since milgrams experiment could just as easily be caused by the peer pressure of the studio audience.
Exarian 1 year ago
You are correct. It has ALWAYS been the case of how humans easily manipulated. Every heard of the angry mob effect? How normal people can hold and abuse slaves. How salem witch trials happened. All it takes is for someone who you place value in (this case the audience) to encourage you and say its ok. All most people need to do things is encouragement.
blacklite911 1 year ago
Society trains us to be dependent on authorities, it's not "human nature". All of us are individuals and we have a responsibility.
clarkcolt45 1 year ago 2
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the human nature is a result of biology and societal conditioning throughout the ages. The harsh truth is that in the end, nice people are still subject to this principle. More can be done to raise awareness, starting the ball moving to biological change in later generations (instincts change fast if the environment makes an instinct detrimental)
Exarian 1 year ago
reality TV: The new coliseum?
Exarian 1 year ago
Milgram...
timabad 1 year ago 2
As in the days of Noah—
Splovengates7 1 year ago 2
what the heck is going on at 0:33 ???
i0heart0idina 1 year ago
It's the British hypnotist Derren Brown doing "russian roulette", pointing a live revolver at his head in a country where it's legal.
clarkcolt45 1 year ago
@clarkcolt45 thanks but i meant the clip right before that....
i0heart0idina 1 year ago
Now show that to a libertarian and tell him: Thats why human interactions need to be controlled by a neutral force only bound by law and ethics, because humans do NOT act rational.
See, how he ignores the problem and then you know why everyone who tells you we should leave things to the market is a fraud.
13otany13ay 1 year ago 2
Mankind has been committing acts of atrocious cruelty at the behest of those in power since history began. we dont need a tv documentary to tell us this.
newgeorge 1 year ago
but we do need a tv documentary like this to remind people because sadly most people don't look into history regularly or even think about things. So its a good reminder and thought provoking
blacklite911 1 year ago
Stanley Milgram "Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority."
TheModerndaymartyrs 1 year ago
People will torture you out of your mind and kill you if told to do so. I am glad to see the milgram experiment brought to light. These game shows are destroying people's souls and conditioning people to accept these modern day versions of the gladiator games.
TheModerndaymartyrs 1 year ago
how about the death of the television?
well, as a matter of fact it is already, but many ppl don't know that yet, beside those browsing youtube and internet in general...
soogoonu 1 year ago
so when is the running man show coming out?
teamkvs 1 year ago 2
I knew the number of participants was high even though ' frequencysoftware' said it was very low.And since I do not make a practice of intentionally misinforming people i looked it up.Something FS might do well to do also.But considering I was 8 at the time this took place I did rather well remembering this at all. :)
Bobofet241 1 year ago
this test was done years ago this is old news
shinobikiller227 1 year ago
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Bobofet241 1 year ago
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Bobofet241 1 year ago
Actually the study showed that only 1/20 people were willing to go as far as fatal shocks. You misquote the evidence and misinform people.
frequencysoftware 1 year ago
In 1961 In Milgram's experiments, 82.5 percent of the participants continued administering shocks even after hearing the first cries of pain at the alleged 150-volts level.
Bobofet241 1 year ago 3
In Burger's replication, 70 percent also wanted to continue when they hit that same level. Google 'Researcher Finds Most Will Inflict Pain on Others If Prodded'.
Bobofet241 1 year ago
I'm curious to see the neurological answer to this.
The break with reality seems intuitive to me. We already live in a post-human future.
rhatcher010 1 year ago
So why did they do it?
orangesforeveryone 1 year ago
interesting
pubtor 1 year ago