Roman Catholicism preaches a false gospel: "..she continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.." (Vatican 2). Mary has nothing to do with our salvation. "For there is one God and ONE mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus. (1Tim 2:5) Rome has added falsity to the teachings of Christ for over 1000 years. And tortured thousands under the Inquisition in Christ's "name". Check out ex-priest Richard Bennett’s site for testimony of 50 ex-priests, etc. – all now born again.
@moabedom The sign gifts have ceased because the ends times will be characterized by a great “falling away” and an increase of “signs and lying wonders.” (2 Thess 2:3)
@moabedom Jesus is of course the mediator between God and man. But the Virgin Mary leads men, like
myself, to Jesus. I was an atheist until I read the story of Bernadette and then visited Lourdes. Now I am a
Catholic again because of my inspiration by Bernadette's story and her visions of Mary. The Virgin Mary proves the existence of God in an age when militant atheists like Richard Dawkins are denying the existence of God altogether.
Our Lady has given the world the Rosary of the Unborn as a means to end abortion through prayer on the beads that She designed, She gave a promise to save a life for each Hail Mary said from a loving heart on these beads. Please see a short video-presentation of the Rosary of the Unborn on my channel, and respond to Our Lady's call!
13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
@ricochile Well, if that is the full extent of the only riposte u make to the extraordinary content of this video, then we don't have to take you very seriously, do we? Not every imitator can climb even as far as his mentor Dawkins' knees before he lets out a revealingly vulgar lol cackle...
Alas for you, you are labouring under severe delusions. Firstly that the unshockable are uptight. I've been laughing at you here most of the time. Secondly that you don't think the world revolves around you - you are importunate enough to believe you can get me or a friend to teach you German. For a start you would need my email address. And you'll never get that. Security! Why should I strengthen the Luciferian/atheist faction in multiple ways?
Well, it does give the lie to the your assertion that u don't interpret Scripture, Buly! Whereas I have constantly maintained on this channel that interpretation is essential to understand anything in the Bible. Even "Thou shalt not kill". What about all those Jews, Saul, David, Joshua, the Zealots, who did kill and did so pretty heftily!
@Porphyrygrampus "....interpretation is essential to understand anything in the Bible."
I agree.
Even "Thou shalt not kill". What about all those Jews, Saul, David, Joshua, the Zealots, who did kill and did so pretty heftily! Seems you are opening another can of worms here (the interpretation of it), uh?
I would like to make it clear that I am not responsible for putting in the above quote from my normal comments as a Linked Comment. I do not know whether this was done by bulyabalive & allies or by some newfangled YT software. But if done by YT, then it is badly chosen as I specifically corrected it the same day. There's a typing error. It should read "Everything in the early Church seems to be the RCC for YOU." You, is you, Buly. And if u put it in, that was really malicious. I hope not.
@Bigpheet The difference between this troll Bigpheet and myself is that when I make a typing error, I tend to point it out to avoid misunderstanding.
But the troll even here in his wonderfully illiterate way spells heresies as "heresey's" (even using the genitive form) but does not apologize at all, presumably because he is incapable of even noticing his own illiteracy...
BTW I now believe that selection of Linked Comments is made by YT moderators, but as they were new then, I hadn't realized.
@Porphyrygrampus I'm still waiting your reply re: which faith changed the times and laws of God, which Daniel prophesied about?
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I realise it will be trickey, nay, even embarressing for you to answer, but daniel does say that the faith which changes God's laws will be recognised as being the ANTICHRIST. Now, remind again - which faith boasts about doing this? Of course I won't get an answer from you as you can't answer it without... .
@LakaiGuy931 That comment is so cryptic as to be nonsensical. Merely an in-joke amongst atheists. No effect on Christians as they can't see any logical argument in it.
@LakaiGuy931 "It means give me proof of your good and I'll give you mine." re Flying Spaghetti Monster
One of the proofs is in the video above. But you don't seem to have anything of value to set against it.
The upside down crosses and weird pentacles on your user identity pic suggest only too well who your god really is. The great enemy of the Christian one. Even though you may pretend to be atheist.
@LakaiGuy931 Well, when you've been faced with the proof of the Christian God in the above video, you have not provided anything to contradict it, have you?
And a look at the upside-down cross and pentacles on your pseudo suggest that your god can be recognized as the Enemy of the Christian one, and most of us realize that he does indeed exist as one of whom Jesus spoke & warned frequently. Flying Satanic Monster.
@Porphyrygrampus So you believe it because it's written in a book? What are some of the present day proof you have that it's real beside people with schizophrenia, and have you ever taken the time to actually read the stories in the bible because if you did you would realize something ehh? But please answer this, who created God?
@LakaiGuy931 Glad to hear that you are someone who thinks themselves so clever that they never ever believe what they read in books. Reading a book is probably a rare occasion with you in any case, judging by your channel. With you it looks like movies, music clips and anti-Christian YT videos like the Zeitgeist ones are the summit of credibility.
@Porphyrygrampus Some how my channel screams the words "I don't read books" huh? I choose to read actual books instead of fairy tales used to keep us all in order. I also don't get it with christians who are so closed minded and they think it's their way or no way, am I right? Do you actually believe we'll go to a place in the clouds with wings and white gowns or do you believe our soul goes to another parallel universe? Should we bring science into this equation?
@LakaiGuy931 If you were capable of answering my strictures on your absurd conclusions that Zeitoun is a massive form of schizophrenia, i would take you more seriously. Presumably you think that Zeitoun is just a fairy tale, too...
And stop setting up straw men to knock down. You presumably heard of straw men from your master Dawkins and can't resist using the technique.
If you were really educated you would know Christian society produced modern science. And that Science can't dis/prove God.
@LakaiGuy931 "Some how my channel screams the words "I don't read books" "
Yes, Lackey, that is exactly what it screams. Tastes somewhat juvenile and Luciferian, interests skateboarding. And inability to realize that somehow is one word not two. And age - 20.
I assume you found those 'difficult' questions to throw at Christians on one of those 'atheist education' sites where u find them stacked up as ammo. But they don't tell u how to answer re Zeitoun or when the Christian bites back hard...
@Porphyrygrampus lmao again you seem to scurry around each of my questions like always, if you don't have the answers then just say it and am I really in that big of trouble because I put a space in between "somewhat" when you carelessly make "juvenile" mistakes like "u"? what a joke and I'm 17 bro. You think I got those questions on atheist educational videos? what a fucking joke. Everyone in my family are christians and I ask those questions everyday but they still avoid them and
@LakaiGuy931 What a specious argument re my saying u instead of you. And often yr instead of your. Haven't you yet learned that those are standard abbreviations in texting by adults? When one has so few spaces to write in, it's just common sense to start cutting out letters from those two words so as to squeeze in the end of a final sentence that overlaps too far.
And you say 20 on your channel. Either way you're lying somewhere, child. But then I've always found atheists to be economical with the truth when arguing. And most of their ideas can be traced back to atheist websites, though some indeed just make use of YT. Why should I believe your claim to be any better, child? And as for these parents of yours, what denomination are they? You might be honest but the atheist reputation is tarnished by the great mass of them.
@LakaiGuy931 Personally I prefer to believe one million Egyptians and other visitors from elsewhere, many of them respected members of the professions, than to believe a dilettante of dubious education who claims that somehow going to Zeitoun led to people becoming afflicted with schizophrenia ever after. A case unprecedented in the whole history of psychiatry and yet unmentioned as such in all the clinical manuals? And on so massive a scale? Absurd.
@Porphyrygrampus Yes very absurd, but you avoided my question when I asked who created God? If God created everything and knows everything how come he didn't see Lucifer trying to overcome him? What kind of God makes humans imperfect but then damns then for doing so? The questions are endless and I can keep you here for ages trying to figure out the answers. But one more question, why would God crucify his own son for our mistakes?
@LakaiGuy931 "why would God crucify his own son for our mistakes?"
Idiot, God got himself crucified. You have completely failed to understand the Trinity as most atheists, jews and muslims fail to do. The reference to Persons in the Trinity refers to persona meaning a mask, like the masks of Graeco-Roman theatre. God is a triune unity, merely wearing different masks. In the incarnation God took human form, and that human form is referred to Person of the Son, the human mask.
@Porphyrygrampus That is exactly why it is all bullshit! I tested to see what you were going to say and you said just that. You don't know how many versions of answers I get when I ask that question so which one is it? Please continue this argument in a PM because I'm sick of coming to this fucking video.........
@LakaiGuy931 "That is exactly why it is all bullshit! I tested to see what you were going to say and you said just that."
That post is not only vulgar but illiterate, too. It fails to make clear what is bullshit and why, or what is "just that". Or which answer of mine you refer to that you claim you have got many different answers to. If it's about the crucifixion, I'm not surprised. But say so! And your language is foul, too. People help if you're polite. PM me for tomorrow but stay cool.
@Porphyrygrampus So when will you answer Bigpheet's question? I see you are very forgetful when it comes to those. How was "That is exactly why it is all bullshit! I tested to see what you were going to say and you said just that " vulgar? We were clearly talking about Jesus being crucified so don't play dumb with me. Like I said in my previous post, if you want to continue this argument PM me but you might change the subject.
@LakaiGuy931 And of course u attempt to wriggle out of discussing my Zeitoun point by a verbal pirouette, because u are incapable of producing any logical explanation. But in point of fact your agreement that it is "yes, very absurd" is also a seeming condemnation of the nullity of your explanation by schizophrenia.
As for who invented God, Time is an invention of God when he created the Universe. Before the Universe there is no Time, merely God. U bring a space/time/causation logic into it.
@Porphyrygrampus Do you really believe that time actually created God? They have you brainwashed mister but I'll fill you in with these "educational videos" about satanism because I get no reply answering my questions or you'll answer one and it'll be incorrect and you will feel as if you won. If you can't answer them then I will take my questions elsewhere.
@LakaiGuy931 "Do you really believe that time actually created God?"
Go back and read what I said, lackey, and go on a remedial reading course. I said God invented time when he invented the Universe, (since that is the first time that discernible change starts and the whole space/time dimension). I said "Time is an invention of God when he created the Universe. Before the Universe there is no Time, merely God." Clearly you found the syntax too difficult for you. FAIL in English for you.
@LakaiGuy931 And one point, lackey, I waited 3 hours for you to answer and when you didn't I went and did other things. One thing you have to learn is that adults aren't at your disposal 24 hours a day. What time zone are you in? Mine is CET. And it's over an hour past my bedtime so I'm not watching your video till tomorrow.
And as you perverted my answer on God and Time, and have refused to answer me on Zeitoun, you won't be getting any more from me until you have the good manners to explain Z.
@Porphyrygrampus lmao I'm sorry you think the world revolves around you, people have other things to do than to cater to your needs my friend. I'm going to answer everything in this post here because I'm done with you and go ahead and think you won. I will play your game "child". You get my answer when I get yours friend. What do I have to lie about? The only thing you brought up was the fact that I said I was 20 on my profile.... Your 3rd post brought you back a notch when you said
@LakaiGuy931 You started the game by refusing to provide an answer on Zeitoun. That is why I challenged you in the first place, and I should have seen that your attitudes were purely adolescent from the Spaghetti and I would never get a sensible answer. As for the world revolving around anyone, that is something most teenagers think as they find it difficult not to place their emotions at the centre of their consciousness. And make demands on others they don't place on themselves.
@Porphyrygrampus Again I'm done fighting with a stubborn adult who fails to see what I'm getting at. You completely killed my morning. I shall now go commit a sin and masturbate ......
@LakaiGuy931 Just saw your Church of Satan video and left a cynical comment after Part 2.
What a YAWN... The only advantage of watching it is that one knows one will never go near them - they are such conformist bourgeois. That is just not Satanism at all.
Steer clear of them if you don't want to be bored.
@LakaiGuy931 Devious, too. Anyone reading what you say would link the fact I had "killed your morning" with yr next sentence that you're now going off to masturbate.
But most would have the common sense to realize this was just yet another teeny attempt to shock the elderly. As with yr suggestion God emerged from a fart (implication:He is a turd). and the obviously contemptuous manner with which you refer to all Christian beliefs.
Sadly for you we're unshockable. We've heard it all before.
@Porphyrygrampus Um nope that doesn't work. Here let me show you the way you see it. "You have killed my morning thus making me commit the sin of masturbation". You see now? When I said "the world doesn't revolve around you", it wasn't meant to be taken as a literal statement. Man you are so uptight that everyone must love you. But I see you are from germany and I really like germany. I will man up and confess I was wrong only because I need someone to teach me german.
@Porphyrygrampus "God invented time when he invented the Universe". You fail to understand that someone cannot create themself. So there was a fart and out came God? Yes very reasonable. Plus you claim I'm in remedial english when you start sentences with and. How old are you mister? Please fill me in.
@LakaiGuy931 You need some sort of training in philosophy. You still are thinking in space/time concepts and causal concepts that are applicable for the Universe's laws, but not for before the beginning of space/time. Perhaps if u got more down to a serious study of Einstein and relativity you would begin to realize that things are more complicated philosophically even within the universe than they appear. But before the Universe those space/time concepts of cause and effect don't apply at all.
@LakaiGuy931 "I'm going to answer everything in this post here because I'm done with you"
No sign of your answering anything. Parents denomination? Time zone? Zeitoun explanation?
You are only capable of a jejune desire to shock with your talk of farts and God that show you cannot even understand my philosophical point. Obviously no point in casting pearls before you...
If u're done, good. I didn't learn anything I didn't know already - as teen asked myself the same questions as u.
@Porphyrygrampus Lmao I said the word fart once and you make it seem like I used throughout our conversation. Why do christians think satanism is evil? Just because your pastor claims it is? If anything "God" is the evil one.
The more I read what u write, the more I feel u are mentally sick, but that illness is not physical but spiritual! Rome may have been pretty sick at its worst, but that sickness seems nowadays to be lurking in souls like yours, which seem ready to promote a bloodbath that will make the 16-17th c look civilized. Prots "all brethren" when it comes to hating Rome - yea, all agents of the Brotherhood more like.
@Porphyrygrampus "The more I read what u write, the more I feel u are mentally sick, but that illness is not physical but spiritual! Rome may have been pretty sick at its worst, but that sickness seems nowadays to be lurking in souls like yours..." In other words Rome has been "born again", come on!
In you condition you should not concern yourself about my mental sickness, which you don't believe anyway. Otherwise why are you so keen of "debating" a mentally sick person? Back to you porp!
You: 1 Cor. 15:3 " Christ died for our sins ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES;"Which Scriptures?
The Hebrew Scriptures of course as i said in what you reply to. Paul of course launches the debate brilliantly. The debate and analysis goes on with both the Talmudic Rabbinate and other Christians till Constantine and later still about the nature of Christ and what refers to him in OT. All very clear I wd have thought!
Profound aversion to those who throw undigested and unanalyzed Bible citations at the heads of others to try to condemn or convince them. Belief that any theological argument should be ordered like a university essay and argued out logically, only bringing in Bible quotes that are an apposite part of the argument, while displaying a knowledge of the history of the time and insight into the society.
Well really that's not much of a brainteaser: I could only be a .......................
@Porphyrygrampus "Profound aversion to those who throw undigested and unanalyzed Bible citations at the heads of others to try to condemn or convince them..."
Mat. 4:4,7,10 Jesus said unto him (Satan) "It is written..." "It is written again..." "Get thee hence, Satan for it is written..."
"For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge..." (Rom. 10:2)
Belief in the Holy Spirit operating through the early Councils of the Church. Belief in the legitimacy of the original apostolic churches. Belief Grace+Faith+Works. Took distance to Luther and markedly to Calvin. No belief in Priesthood of All Believers or in Scriptura Sola. No belief that all Christians are guided personally by the Holy Spirit in their interpretation of Scripture. Clear belief in need for an Authority but finds idea that he's a slave of his Church leader frankly ridiculous.
@Porphyrygrampus "Belief in the Holy Spirit operating through the early Councils of the Church. Belief in the legitimacy of the original apostolic churches. Belief Grace+Faith+W....." I am answering to the whole post:
How does the H/S operate in Church Councils? Does He speak to the group & they all hear Him at once?
What does the N/T say about priesthood? Who are the Priesthood according to the N/T?
Usually Prot critics of Marian sites go to great lengths to conceal their origins but one needs to know where people are from to begin to understand them. You could have asked me from the start but u were too keen to have me as a RC sparring-partner. But I have given you a mass of clues throughout. Perhaps you can guess now? I showed I did not consider Mary a mere good woman (ah! those arrogant MCPs of the 16th c.Reform). But I was not RCC. I had BritProt roots. ModProt. No Lollard of Wycliffe.
"Everything in the early Church seems to be the RCC for ME."
Sorry! My wife arrived at that moment so I got distracted and sent this off too quickly while she broached a new topic.
It should read:"Everything in the early Church seems to be the RCC for YOU. Right at the beginning I warned u that the idea that the RCC begins after John is antihistorical!"".
@Porphyrygrampus "Do tell us the commentaries u actually have read! And the church or sect u attend!"
My "sect" have the five-fold ministries. We do have those gifted as teachers. Do you know that the early Church was also called a "sect". It seems this is typical of traditionists.
@bulyabalive Buly, you keep on telling me things i know already! But it's better than telling me things I do not know about myself like my being a RCC Judas! Of course the Christians were seen as a Jewish sect by the Temple priesthood. And the matter of their close links with the Essenes, another sect, is of abiding interest to me. And I asked you "church or sect?" about yourself and you opted for sect. Fine! I congratulate you for being the first Prot frank enough to tell me their church onYT!
The theory of "RCC giving us the Bible" is empty & empty can be.
Who has this theory? Not me! You are obviously confused. Everything in the early Church seems to be the RCC for me. Right at the beginning I warned u that the idea that the RCC begins after John is antihistorical!
@Porphyrygrampus "Who has this theory? Not me! You are obviously confused. Everything in the early Church seems to be the RCC for me. Right at the beginning I warned u that the idea that the RCC begins after John is antihistorical!"
"You don't fool me with your claim "I am moderate Protestant". You are just a Judas. You love RCC, the earlier you accept that the better. So just go & be baptised and start eating your baked Jesus and go to purgatory after this life."
What venom there is in this person! How much hatred! All hate is from the demon! And too slippery ever to answer a personal question, and too blind to ask one! One needs a modicum of interest in the other to ask such questions. Peace!
@Porphyrygrampus "What venom there is in this person! How much hatred! All hate is from the demon! And too slippery ever to answer a personal question, and too blind to ask one! One needs a modicum of interest in the other to ask such questions. Peace!"
Lol caught in your own trap! I challenge you to be truthful. What do you mean by being a "moderate protestant"!
And you wish me peace when you don't have any. Lol!
Satan on the other hand uses the so-called Scholars & theologians who do not even fear God to try to corrupt the Bible, exalt beings while down playing the divinity of Christ.
Amen to that one! Largely starts with Wycliffe, Luther and Calvin. Gets worse with German criticism Scholars in 19th c.
@bulyabalive I was aware from the start you were not Lutheran. That's why I opted for US ProtFundie or BibProt with probable Calvinist theological descent believing in the Elect,& "scriptura sola" tenets.
My Church believed that the leadership of the RCC was deeply corrupt c.1520, in the hands of the Italian magnates, Medici, Borgia. I believe rebuilding StPeter's was a disaster and the way of financing it selling (Indulgences) even worse. Luther's attack on it was heroic. Later he started to
throw out the baby with the bathwater and became himself a part puppet of the North German princelings in their struggle against the Emperor. Of course he was reluctant to be burned by very nasty enemies of his so became dependent for survival on those princes. So RCC and Lutherans were too much under aristocratic control. But he started a process of growing scepticism that in just 200 years wd lead to a huge development of deism in the Western intellectual world (& USAwithJefferson,Washington)
"You are obviously confusing "teaching" & "interpretation""
Far from it! Paul was the greatest teacher of the Early Church for he was both a scholar & an intellectual and could interpret the sacred writings. All his letters consist of interpretation, and he was brilliant at it!
If one can study the so-called Church Fathers (your pride) you discover they did not agree on many occations as their writings & your theologians will agree!
Why my pride? More your pride refusing to be edified by them. Of course occasionally they disagreed but they did not split up. They decided things by ecumenical congresses, argued it out and decided by vote at the end.
@Porphyrygrampus "Why my pride? More your pride refusing to be edified by them. Of course "
Maybe you have forgotten your posts, which typical of argumentative people. I actually do not put much study on Church Fathers to be "edified", when the Word of God was given to me for my edification. I don't even have the time for that spiritual junk.
the sin remaining in the Christian heart opposes the plain teaching of God's Word
You don't teach God's Word. You hurl Biblical quotes at the heads of the flock and call it teaching! No explanation. Nothing! You'd soon be sacked as a school teacher if u did that!
@Porphyrygrampus "You don't teach God's Word. You hurl Biblical quotes at the heads of the flock and call it teaching! No explanation. Nothing! You'd soon be sacked as a school teacher if u did that!"
Who said I am teaching the Word of God? Are you that tired or what?
"Unfortunately you Romanists are just slaves"... The lie continues. It can only be willfully demonic. Few people have ever been less 'slave of my church leader' than myself. It's really amusing quite how wrong you can be! BTW, who is your church leader (accepting of course it cd well be your sweet self)?
@Porphyrygrampus .....the lie continues. It can only be willfully demonic. Few people have ever been less 'slave of my church leader' than myself. It's really amusing quite how wrong you can be! BTW, who is your church leader (accepting of course it cd well be your sweet self)?"
Apparently you did not read the qoute I gave you from the Canons & Laws of the Church or you just ignored it for sake of arguments.
It is a narrow thinking to believe that as disciples (which means students) of God will ever graduate;(Eph 4:13) This is ungrammatical! No verb? graduate? from College?
@Porphyrygrampus "It is a narrow thinking to believe that as disciples (which means students) of God will ever graduate;(Eph 4:13) This is ungrammatical! No verb? graduate? from College?"
Didn't know I will sound confusing. I meant God's School which is Spiritual; we are ever learning & there is no graduation!
2ndly Christians are NOT immune to error & deception by false teachers e.g. in Church of Galatia & Corith Quite so! Particularly when individual ones claim that they have the Holy Spirit an set themselves up as yet another separate sect!
@Porphyrygrampus 2ndly Christians are NOT immune to error & deception by false teachers e.g. in Church of Galatia & Corith Quite so! "Particularly when individual ones claim that they have the Holy Spirit an set themselves up as yet another separate sect!"
"However, I am not to be fooled by your so called "unity" because it does not even exist." Again this demonic perseverance in a lie here, the lie that u are dealing with me with the Roman Church. In reply to you re Pentecostalist RC churches, altho' there is a division of opinion in the RC Church about this, there is no open schism I know of there. There were always differences of opinion in Chch
And how can you delight in further division in US Prot'sm when Jesus prayed 4 unity? That's Gospel!
@Porphyrygrampus It is you who does not see the unity of Protestantism because your mind have been inflitirated so much you don't even know what reformation was all about, thanks to the Jesuits. All these branches as long as they "remain" on the Vine which is Christ, they are but brethren. While the so called "apostalic Church" cannot discover beyond its boarders.
However this unity have a common enemy, the moment to prostitute themselves with the Church of Rome: you are one of them.
@bulyabalive You: "It is you who does not see the unity of Protestantism. This unity have (sic) a common enemy, the moment (sic: movement??) to prostitute themselves with the Church of Rome: you are one of them!" (My God! I am threatened by a fiendish mob of fanatics!) You seem to be admitting here what I accused you of, namely that the only unity to be found amongst extreme Protestants was their common hatred of the Church of Rome. Hatred is devilish-leads to Hell. My Church suffered much from
@Porphyrygrampus "You seem to be admitting here what I accused you of, namely that the only unity to be found amongst extreme Protestants was their common hatred of the Church of Rome. Hatred is devilish-leads to Hell. My Church suffered much from....."
Oops, there it is again? That word "hate"? And where do you get the idea that I hate the Church of Rome? You comfortable with their false gospel, I am not! So I tell them the truth! And you, sweetmouth them, they will devour you, dear...
@bulyabalive from the hands of Rome, but if we were to hate for ever we would burn for ever. I conjure you not to be misled by the Spirit you think is from God and which you worship as the Holy Spirit in your Pentecostalism, not to be misled into joining Satan in persecuting the Woman and her Child of John's Revelation, lest you live with that Spirit for ever and ever, finally discovering his true face as a former Angel of Light! Hate rather than evangelical forgiveness delivers u into his hand.
@Porphyrygrampus Lol, your Church suffered from the hands of Rome.... What has changed? According to them you are no longer a heretic which you were for 500 years but "separate brethren". According to them heretics were supposed to be killed! According to them you cannot be saved outside their "One-true & Church". According to their CTD you are cursed 33 & damned 120 times because of your beliefs yet VT II gives you false hope of being a "separate brethren" according to their Councils!
@Porphyrygrampus Honestly, who is fooling who? And you say I persecute "the Woman & her Child?" according to Rev. 12? No Sweet-heart, you are actually the one drank with the wine of her fornication according to Rev. 17!
@bulyabalive Honestly, who is fooling who? And you say I persecute "the Woman & her Child?" according to Rev. 12? No Sweet-heart, you are actually the one drank with the wine of her fornication according to Rev. 17!
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And that from someone who refuses to explain the Bibquotes she throws around on the ground that they "mean what they mean". And then proceeds to give an interpretation to Rev.17 that is totally polemical and gratuitous, sheer sectarian Prot interpretation!
@bulyabalive For Papists (and indeed their appologists) to say they make use of an image to put them in mind of God, is as if a woman should say she keeps company with another man to put her in mind of her husband.
@bulyabalive Ah, the poor Jesuits. They must lurk behind every mind that does not join in the great Crusade against Rome!!! I have found on the web the most cretinous Prot tracts ever that see the Jesuits as having founded the first Bank of America, run MI5 since the start, been the main force behind Saddam and the present Iraqi goverment, all in alliance with F∴M∴ and the Bnai Brith and the Illuminati, a sort of substitute for Satan and the Witch's Sabbath. Do u really believe in this cr@p?
"I am the true vine & my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: & every branch that beareth fruit he purgeth it that it may bring forth more fruit." Amen to that. Then Calvin and Luther bite the dust.
Luther - Salvation by Faith, no! Calvin- Salvation by Grace, no!
Apostolic Churches - Salvation by Grace, Faith and Works. Yes!
@Porphyrygrampus Luther - Salvation by Faith, no! Calvin- Salvation by Grace, no! Apostolic Churches - Salvation by Grace, Faith and Works. Yes!"
God says: "For by grace are you saved through faith; & that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, less any man should boast."
"Now to him that works is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that works not but believes on Him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righeousness."
Prov. 30:5-6 means what it says, not what I mean by it.
I take this to be a confession that what Proverbs says and what you think about it are two completely separate things. So what is your game in hurling Scriptural quotes like these at me?
@Porphyrygrampus 30:5-6 means what it says. It does not need my interpretation. So if you can't even "interpret" my post, how can you interpret the Bible.
13h15 Buly, hello on a new day! I just wanted to ask u if u have trouble replying to my many questions because English may not be ur native tongue. I assumed u were a US Fundy, then saw u were in Germany (me,too, a coincidence?) & wondered if u were with the US forces there, later saw u were Milly. But perhaps u are German?(Or have a German husband.) That wd explain certain Engmistakes u made. It is of course a great strain to discuss theology in a foreign language.I wd not do so in German.True?
and these argued it out and Ecumenical Councils eventually decided the outcome by vote. Even the Christian Bible is a result of that process. The amazing thing is how Prot sects generally accept the Bible the Apostolic Churches produced after a few centuries, but tend to ignore or be ignorant of the ideas on interpreting it that the very choosers of the Bible books held dear. I must to bed! Peace!
@Porphyrygrampus The theory of "RCC giving us the Bible" is empty & empty can be. First they don't even believe the book they claim to have given as the Authoritative Word of God, but with clear arrogance believe that their church fathers, popes & bishop can speak on the same level as God. 2ndly the believe God can give new Revelation through them when incidentaly the book of Revelation sealed the Bible! 3dly The Prot. Bible as they call it never originated from the corrupt versions of RCC!
The whole way the Church in the first centuries turned to the Old Testament to try and work out who Jesus really was and how he related to the Father and the Holy Ghost was an interpretation! As a result the Churches produced the idea of the Trinity which you will find nowhere set out clearly in the Bible and the miracle is that in the end all Christendom came to agree on that interpretation of Christ as God. But there were Arians who thought Christ was a man, Gnostics who thought him purespirit
@Porphyrygrampus What do you mean "the Church in the first centuries turned to the Old Testament....". Do you mean Jesus' disciples did not know the revelation of Christ in the O/T but the "Church" which I guess from your Church teachings means RCC "worked out who Jesus really was" centuries later? Let us see Paul's words
1 Cor. 15:3 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received how that Christ died for our sins ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES;"
@Porphyrygrampus Interesting to note is that the 1stArian Origen who believed Christ was a lesser god is the 1st one to compile the Catholic Bible basing from his school of Philosophy in Alexandria Egypt! His work was captured by Eusebius who used the same manuscripts to make Bibles for Constantine. This line continued to St Jerome with Latin Vulgate. The Paulines & Waldensians had copies of maniscripts of Scriptures from Antioch, Syria - These where they ones used to produce KJV in England.
is already an interpretation. Scholars since the Renaissance have been looking at the original Greek and thinking also about the substrata of Aramaic/Hebrew that underlines the sacred writings in order to work out the sense of this or that word, often disagreeing with each other, and you say there is no such thing as interpretation! The history of Christendom is full of wierdos who suddenly interpreted Scripture in a new way and founded some new grouping, ready to fight others to impose it!
@Porphyrygrampus You are obviously confusing "teaching" & "interpretation". For those who teach, like those who are are apostles, prophets, evangelists & pastors; those a gifts from Christ (Eph. 4:11-12). If it is a gift, it does not need so-much of being a "Scholar" because God can use the unlearned as Peter & John (Acts 4:13) & can also use a Scholar like Paul! Both the unlearned & the learned contributed to the Bible BY THE INSPIRATION OF THE H/SPIRIT! It is God who gave the O/T in Hebrew
@Porphyrygrampus It is God who gave the N/T in Greek. It is God who allowed the Bible to be translated in English a widely spoken language of our time! Note that Greek at the time of the N/T was the most spoken language at that time, wereas the O/T Scripture was confined to the Hebrews/Jews! God does not make mistakes. Satan on the other hand uses the so-called Scholars & theologians who do not even fear God to try to corrupt the Bible, exalt beings while down playing the divinity of Christ.
Prot groupings in the States broadly descended from Calvin which all disagree with each other on the interpretation of the Bible if there is no such thing as interpretation except in "Romanist" churches? Just one example in thousands. A few condemn all churches with Sunday worship saying it should be on the same day as the Jewish Sabbath. That is an interpretation of the Commandment to Keep the Sabbath Holy. Whenever you have a text it must necessarily be interpreted. Even a translation of Bible
@Porphyrygrampus Unfortunately you Romanists are just slaves to your Church/leaders. In fact you are supposed to "give up you mind" to the Church: Qoute:Canon Law of the Church (RCC) (1983)
"Canon 753: “While not infallible in their teaching, [Catholic bishops] are the authentic instructors and teachers of the faith for Christ's faithful entrusted to their care. The faithful are bound to adhere, with a religious submission of mind, to this authentic Magisterium of their Bishops.”
@Porphyrygrampus However, I am not to be fooled by your so called "unity" because it does not even exist. The apparent unity of the RCC is illusory, as any informed Catholic would know. The unity is structural & organizational, but there are serious divisions at all levels, especially between the more liberal & conservative Catholics. E.g. take the charismatic movement. In Protestant circles, Charismatics form separate denominations (and so the distinction from other denominations is obvious).
@Porphyrygrampus cont/.. Ref. division: Whereas in the Catholic church, the charismatic groups remain under the Roman umbrella. Their differences from non-charismatic Catholics are hidden though they are just as real as in Protestant churches!
Causes of divisions:
It is a narrow thinking to believe that as disciples (which means students) of God will ever graduate;(Eph 4:13)
2ndly Christians are NOT immune to error & deception by false teachers e.g. in Church of Galatia & Corith
@Porphyrygrampus Cont/ 3dly and most importantly, the sin remaining in the Christian heart opposes the plain teaching of God's Word. Sometimes we find it hard to accept the teaching of the Bible because of practical implications we don't like or simply because it humiliates our natural pride.
If one can study the so-called Church Fathers (your pride) you discover they did not agree on many occations as their writings & your theologians will agree!
Oh dear! Again we have the "you Romanists"! You've got to feel at war with the RCC even when you're with a non-RC! Again there is the idea that any Tom, Dick and Harry can interpret the Bible because he has the holy spirit according to u! And you give me as proof the promise of Jesus to send the HolyGhost toMaryandhisApostles after his death. And you appropriate that promise to yourself. That is an interpretation!And you deny that there is any interpretation! How come that there are 33,000...
@Porphyrygrampus The work of Jesus' disciples & indeed the example of the 1st Church in Acts was to plant Churches. If we have only 33,000 in our world today those are too few, we need more. Lol. Afterall Jesus said He is the vine! John 15:1: "I am the true vine & my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: & every branch that beareth fruit he purgeth it that it may bring forth more fruit."
handed me an essay on Shakespeare which had no subject title and consisted entirely of Shak. quotes without linking argument. So I ask u, what do you want to argue by those 3 quotes, and how are those quotes to interact together. And how do they refer to my position as u understand it (maybe falsely?). And if the first Proverb quote means what I think u mean by it, how come the other quotes can exist at all? And I think u misunderstand me when u say Iholdthetraditionofmen. Interpretation is key
@Porphyrygrampus Prov. 30:5-6 means what it says, not what I mean by it. Incidentaly Jesus was not speaking idle words when He said men hold on to traditions of men. He knew that this was and will be. The consequences are in Mark 7:7 "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." You posts speaks of themselves in this regard.
Gal. 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
@bulyabalive RCC counts itself as the "vine" to replace God! So what? How is that relevant to me? Personally I think that idea unlikely tho' perhaps someone somewhere spoke as the Church as the fruit of the Vine, if Vine is Christ. Where does the citation come from?
You just can't leave off the anti-RCC stuff, altho' I say I am moderate Prot not RC! You just seem to want to prove what I said earlier - that you are obsessed with the RCC and only armed to try to contradict them.
@Porphyrygrampus "You just can't leave off the anti-RCC stuff, altho' I say I am moderate Prot not RC! "
You don't fool me with your claim "I am moderate Protestant". You are just a Judas. You love RCC, the earlier you accept that the better. So just go & be baptised and start eating your baked Jesus and go to purgatory after this life.
But for me the really rude people are BibProtFundies. They throw Bible chunks at their opponents, frequently other BibProts whose congregations they wish to purloin, or RCs, without ever having the courtesy to attach an argument to those quotes or even set the quotes in context. When I received your 3, I felt I had been invited to a meal in which the host had merely placed the bulk ingredients to be cooked on the table and walked out without a word or even leaving the recipe. Or as if a student
remarkably calm gracious and self-contained. I am more flamboyant and can be far ruder, probably because I come from a Engprot background myself! And to some extent it amuses me to see how BibProts continually want me to be an RC, refuse to believe I am not, because they long to attack and subject adherents of the Scarlet Woman, as they believe Rome to be in their agit-prop. But subtler positions, non-fullblooded Roman ones, leave them helpless or in denial of reality. U just don't understand!
And the works of the Church Fathers, the first of those who published works interpreting the Gospels was also important. All this is overthrown by Prots who think they can interpret the Bible correctly without ever having read what the Churches had written before as interpretation. Just when moved by the "Spirit". And extreme Prots were and are incredibly arrogant in this and aggressive like no one else in rejecting the old ways and anyone with respect for them. Real RCs I often note are nowaday
@Porphyrygrampus Excuse me, Protestants don't enterpret the Bible as you romanists assume. It you who interprete it. God's word does not need interpretation of men. Jesus promised in John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will sent in My name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS & BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBERANCE, whatsoever I have said to you."
Hope you don' tell me "church fathers", bishops & priests are the only ones who "possess" the Holy Spirit!
15:10pmThank you for having the guts to reply, despite the fact that you merely give me Biblical quotations without any argument attached to it, or any reply to my arguments about the defects of such a methodology. But then perhaps you have not seen some of them as you will have to wind back considerably to your earlier comments to see my replies re your methodology. The disruption of chronological posting order on YouTube is disturbing. Must to work/back later. Peace!
@Porphyrygrampus You like arguments, I don't! So you may as well argue with the Word of God, to fit in your "tradition" theory. I just wonder at the arrogance of it all! What man can speak when God speaks. What can man add to Scripture!
Jesus said to people like you in Mark 7: For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men... Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition."
@bulyabalive Buly, I can believe u don't like arguments! And u are right that I do. I'm an academic of sorts. But you are unfair to me and to the rest of traditional Christianity. You Bible-only Prots invented "scriptura sola" as the only criterion for establishing Truth after over 1500 years of Christianity in all the Churches had based themselves on a mixture of the Bible, reflexion on the Bible by theologians, Bishops and priests, and the workings of the Holy Spirit and respect for Authority.
@Porphyrygrampus What authority is there except the Words that come out the mouth of God? Ignorance of God's word is to err. Mat. 22:29 "Jesus answered & said to them, You do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."
Now if a mighty Church with all its popes & bishops ach-bishops and whatever cannot explain doctrines like immaculate conception, indulgences, assumptions, papal infillability, etc from the God's word (because they are not there anyway) Who to trust God or men?
BTW, the historical sources on Mary's death and assumption don't stem from the RCC originally but from the Eastern Churches, Jerusalem, Antioch, Paul's Greek churches united to John's Greek church etc. The RCC doctrine on the Assumption has its roots in non-Roman sources, (which does not mean the Eastern Churches subscribe to the exact wording of any RCC formulation about it. An Ecumenical Council would be required.)
@Porphyrygrampus Prov. 30:5-6 "Every word of God is pure: He is a shield to them that put their trust in Him. Add you not to His words, less He reprove you, and you be found a liar."
John 17:17 "Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth."
2 Tim 3:16-17 "All scripture is given BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instructions in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished to all good works."
I notice a worrying blindness on the part of many Fundy Prots when dealing with films on Zeitoun (several here of those). They at once start to vituperate against the RCC. Clearly they have so little historical culture and make so little effort to extend it that they think this is an Apparition to the RCC, RCC approved. Totally false. It is a Marian Apparition in the Church of St Mark not Peter's, in the Coptic Church, (never under Roman control, quite separate, founded in the Apostolic era) .
You would appear to have made a v. short sneering reply 4 hours ago, but on my previous visits in the past 4 hours it was not there. Now at getting on for 1a.m. I find that little sneer flagged as spam and therefore invisible. Perhaps you thought better of it and flagged it as spam? I have made it visible again by clicking on "not spam". Problem is that sneering suggests cowardice and the inability to answer coherently. As I said already, I am listening. Do u seek your pastor for a good answer?
A much saner methodology would be to look at all the early Churches that formed the doctrines of l Christendom and ask oneself what these Churches have in common. They, not just Rome, are the original churches. If we find that all those churches make use of images and always did, that is important for the matter of "idolatry". If we find that in all these Churches Mary was held to have been Virgin to the end, then that is of the greatest importance. It is far more likely to be historical truth.
The wierd thing about Fundies is that they follow this recent rule of "scriptura sola" judging everything by scriptural quotation, but their chief criterion, that the Bible is the only guide, is not actually in the Bible. So the very roots of the Fundy system are unjustifiable by the Bible itself and even by their own yardstick their methodology cannot be correct. And so many quote indiscriminately, totally failing to understand that a Bible quote applies to a particular context not universally.
and still draw upon the bodies of writings known as the Tradition. All contributed Fathers to the Church. The fact that Rome makes appeal to Tradition does not mean we should despise or ignore Tradition. The objection to Rome should lie in the fact that Rome later became separated from the rest of Christendom and went its own way, producing doctrines that have not been ratified by the other original churches of the first ecumenical conferences. And claimed then to be right alone.
But Paul's inclusion does not mean that we should ignore the missionary work of other Apostles who set up churches elsewhere. The Coptic Church goes back to St Mark who founded churches in Egypt that became the later Alexandria Patriarchate, one of the 5 patriarchates that came together to decide on Church doctrine. Rome was merely one of these 5 Patriarchates. The Pope didn't even preside over the Ecumenical Conferences. Church doctrine was agreed by all the churches. All these churches drew...
people that the books of the Christian Bible were not put together to be a definitive guide to the Christian belief for ever and ever. The motive was utilitarian, give the 4 most important and trustworthy sources on the life of Jesus so Christians could have a good guide to what he said. Then we have Acts and a selection of letters, largely Paul, because Christians needed at least a partial picture of the work of evangelisation, as Paul was undoubtedly the most brilliant missionary intelligence.
How do we even know that Luke wrote Acts! From Tradition. That is the body of early Christian work that is not in the Bible. We learn too that he painted the first painting of the BVM. That is important in the image controversy and iconoclasm. Tradition comes from a word that means "what has been handed down to us". Ignore it at your peril! Protestant Fundies turn the Bible into a sort of Idol. 'If it's not there it's false' is their yardstick. That's just bad history! It should be obvious to...
@bulyabalive Why do you so-called Bible Christians continually flee debate when it gets hard by emitting sneers or lies. Is that really the best you can come up with? I would like at least some semblance of debate, rather than ducking out. But possibly you never bothered to read what I said, since you felt it would be Romish and might "pervert" you. I'm not RC! Another problem is that the order of what I wrote here seems to have changed completely. Is this YouTube's crazy software? Must be.
Peter and Paul. How do we know how they died? We have to go to the traditions of the Christian Church, read Eusebius and other historians to find out Paul was executed with the sword in south Rome, and Peter crucified upside-down in a circus roughly where StPeter's Square now is. But this is not in the Bible. The same with Mary's story. It continues... How do we know about John on Patmos, or Mark founding the Alexandrian church, or Thomas in India. From Tradition not from the Bible!Who was Luke?
If u want to understand re name, google jabulon! My original objection to what u said lay in a historian's approach to historical documents. I consider the scriptura sola approach deeply flawed, (those who refuse to believe anything that is not in scripture). Any historical document must leave off somewhere in its narration. To say what happened after the end of a document is not history is antihistorical. That is what scriptura sola churches are and do. Acts stops short even before the deaths..
You are totally obsessed with the RCC. Every time you find someone who disagrees with you you think it's the RCC. That is because most of you extreme Protestant Fundies and sects are woefully ignorant of anything to do with the early non-Roman churches and their traditions. You have been reared on a diet of anti-Romanism with your mother's milk and are blind to anything but You and Rome. Seek wider. Study church history! Learn. Church history does not cease with John's writings and then RCC!
I have already done that by simply quoting what you wrote! Your imaginations! I have already told you that the part about Heaven was the only way your claim about Mary could have any sense apart from nonsense. In saying it I was merely being charitable. I could just have limited myself to my first post. By the way how was your post removed? Presumably by you? How and why did u do it? Finally read again my definition of Tradition, radically different from that of Trent & RCC. Early ecum councils!
So you like my assessment of you as a Bully of Believers, a microcosm of the great bully, Satan. You also like my assessment of you as a Gaoler, and you smile. I am sure Satan smiles too when he is called that, for he knows that it is true. You do not deny it, either. In the traditions of the civil law they would say that he who keeps silence and does not deny, consents. As for my second post, it exists not as an absolute claim but as the only way your original claim cd have an element of truth.
jesus was a fag
mcslowlife 3 months ago
oh fuck jesus..you gus are fools!
mcslowlife 3 months ago
@mcslowlife May God forgive you...for u know not what u are doing
ADA4JESUS1 2 months ago
@ADA4JESUS1
God is a homo.
mcslowlife 2 months ago
Roman Catholicism preaches a false gospel: "..she continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.." (Vatican 2). Mary has nothing to do with our salvation. "For there is one God and ONE mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus. (1Tim 2:5) Rome has added falsity to the teachings of Christ for over 1000 years. And tortured thousands under the Inquisition in Christ's "name". Check out ex-priest Richard Bennett’s site for testimony of 50 ex-priests, etc. – all now born again.
moabedom 6 months ago
@moabedom The sign gifts have ceased because the ends times will be characterized by a great “falling away” and an increase of “signs and lying wonders.” (2 Thess 2:3)
Therefore the RCC is simply fulfilling prophecy.
Bigpheet 6 months ago
@moabedom Jesus is of course the mediator between God and man. But the Virgin Mary leads men, like
myself, to Jesus. I was an atheist until I read the story of Bernadette and then visited Lourdes. Now I am a
Catholic again because of my inspiration by Bernadette's story and her visions of Mary. The Virgin Mary proves the existence of God in an age when militant atheists like Richard Dawkins are denying the existence of God altogether.
burkewhb 3 months ago
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Now I believe in an all knowing and all powerful invisible man in the sky!
schi0244 6 months ago
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Our Lady has given the world the Rosary of the Unborn as a means to end abortion through prayer on the beads that She designed, She gave a promise to save a life for each Hail Mary said from a loving heart on these beads. Please see a short video-presentation of the Rosary of the Unborn on my channel, and respond to Our Lady's call!
ThinkingKind 7 months ago
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
New International Version (NIV)
13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
nmxterra 7 months ago
Mary please interced on our behalf that we may find hope in Jesus. Need urgent help, see willann54 Miracle Prayer.
willann54 8 months ago
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Story of Mary in the Qur'an
/watch?v=f7blDG8kxAE
hijazi02 8 months ago
at 3:35 there is a man looking up but where are his eyes lol
ricochile 9 months ago
@ricochile Well, if that is the full extent of the only riposte u make to the extraordinary content of this video, then we don't have to take you very seriously, do we? Not every imitator can climb even as far as his mentor Dawkins' knees before he lets out a revealingly vulgar lol cackle...
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
Alas for you, you are labouring under severe delusions. Firstly that the unshockable are uptight. I've been laughing at you here most of the time. Secondly that you don't think the world revolves around you - you are importunate enough to believe you can get me or a friend to teach you German. For a start you would need my email address. And you'll never get that. Security! Why should I strengthen the Luciferian/atheist faction in multiple ways?
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
Look for:
Prepare to Meet Your God by Angelica Zambrano
Jesus told her that "mother" Mary has no idea that people worship her on Earth!
thalonen 10 months ago
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PHOTOSbyamberlynn 10 months ago
If you want the truth about JESUS and Christianity. Plz go to my website and you will see he truly is god I will prove ITwww.christisright.webs.com
Pharoahogc 11 months ago
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****CALLING ALL CATHOLICS****
It's come to my attention that President Obama always keeps a Miraculous Medal in his pocket.
Isn't it ironic that the President is pro-abortion, yet he keeps the Medal of the Immaculate Conception on him, at all times?
Let's pray to Immaculate Mary for the President, that he has a change of heart and ends legalized abortion.
It's not called the Miraculous Medal for nothing.
Oh, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. Amen.
TenderTrap86 11 months ago
Well, it does give the lie to the your assertion that u don't interpret Scripture, Buly! Whereas I have constantly maintained on this channel that interpretation is essential to understand anything in the Bible. Even "Thou shalt not kill". What about all those Jews, Saul, David, Joshua, the Zealots, who did kill and did so pretty heftily!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "....interpretation is essential to understand anything in the Bible."
I agree.
Even "Thou shalt not kill". What about all those Jews, Saul, David, Joshua, the Zealots, who did kill and did so pretty heftily! Seems you are opening another can of worms here (the interpretation of it), uh?
bulyabalive 1 year ago
I'm glad to see the Linked Comment has now vanished. Perhaps that was just some aberration of YT's latest software.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
I would like to make it clear that I am not responsible for putting in the above quote from my normal comments as a Linked Comment. I do not know whether this was done by bulyabalive & allies or by some newfangled YT software. But if done by YT, then it is badly chosen as I specifically corrected it the same day. There's a typing error. It should read "Everything in the early Church seems to be the RCC for YOU." You, is you, Buly. And if u put it in, that was really malicious. I hope not.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Says: There's a typing error.
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Yea, in the same way there are many typing errors in most of your posts in apology for the many heresey's of the RCC. ;-)
Bigpheet 10 months ago
@Bigpheet The difference between this troll Bigpheet and myself is that when I make a typing error, I tend to point it out to avoid misunderstanding.
But the troll even here in his wonderfully illiterate way spells heresies as "heresey's" (even using the genitive form) but does not apologize at all, presumably because he is incapable of even noticing his own illiteracy...
BTW I now believe that selection of Linked Comments is made by YT moderators, but as they were new then, I hadn't realized.
Porphyrygrampus 10 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus after that bit of intellectualism, no wonder the RCC (and her aplogists) have lost their way!
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Oh, while I remember. Last time I heard. One can still go to heaven even if one spells a few words wrong! ;-)
Bigpheet 10 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus I'm still waiting your reply re: which faith changed the times and laws of God, which Daniel prophesied about?
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I realise it will be trickey, nay, even embarressing for you to answer, but daniel does say that the faith which changes God's laws will be recognised as being the ANTICHRIST. Now, remind again - which faith boasts about doing this? Of course I won't get an answer from you as you can't answer it without... .
Bigpheet 10 months ago
@Bigpheet So if "God" is real then the Flying Spaghetti Monster is.
LakaiGuy931 10 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 That comment is so cryptic as to be nonsensical. Merely an in-joke amongst atheists. No effect on Christians as they can't see any logical argument in it.
Porphyrygrampus 10 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus lol? It means give me proof of your good and I'll give you mine.
LakaiGuy931 10 months ago
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@LakaiGuy931 "It means give me proof of your good and I'll give you mine." re Flying Spaghetti Monster
One of the proofs is in the video above. But you don't seem to have anything of value to set against it.
The upside down crosses and weird pentacles on your user identity pic suggest only too well who your god really is. The great enemy of the Christian one. Even though you may pretend to be atheist.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 Well, when you've been faced with the proof of the Christian God in the above video, you have not provided anything to contradict it, have you?
And a look at the upside-down cross and pentacles on your pseudo suggest that your god can be recognized as the Enemy of the Christian one, and most of us realize that he does indeed exist as one of whom Jesus spoke & warned frequently. Flying Satanic Monster.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus So you believe it because it's written in a book? What are some of the present day proof you have that it's real beside people with schizophrenia, and have you ever taken the time to actually read the stories in the bible because if you did you would realize something ehh? But please answer this, who created God?
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 Glad to hear that you are someone who thinks themselves so clever that they never ever believe what they read in books. Reading a book is probably a rare occasion with you in any case, judging by your channel. With you it looks like movies, music clips and anti-Christian YT videos like the Zeitgeist ones are the summit of credibility.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus Some how my channel screams the words "I don't read books" huh? I choose to read actual books instead of fairy tales used to keep us all in order. I also don't get it with christians who are so closed minded and they think it's their way or no way, am I right? Do you actually believe we'll go to a place in the clouds with wings and white gowns or do you believe our soul goes to another parallel universe? Should we bring science into this equation?
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 If you were capable of answering my strictures on your absurd conclusions that Zeitoun is a massive form of schizophrenia, i would take you more seriously. Presumably you think that Zeitoun is just a fairy tale, too...
And stop setting up straw men to knock down. You presumably heard of straw men from your master Dawkins and can't resist using the technique.
If you were really educated you would know Christian society produced modern science. And that Science can't dis/prove God.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 "Some how my channel screams the words "I don't read books" "
Yes, Lackey, that is exactly what it screams. Tastes somewhat juvenile and Luciferian, interests skateboarding. And inability to realize that somehow is one word not two. And age - 20.
I assume you found those 'difficult' questions to throw at Christians on one of those 'atheist education' sites where u find them stacked up as ammo. But they don't tell u how to answer re Zeitoun or when the Christian bites back hard...
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus lmao again you seem to scurry around each of my questions like always, if you don't have the answers then just say it and am I really in that big of trouble because I put a space in between "somewhat" when you carelessly make "juvenile" mistakes like "u"? what a joke and I'm 17 bro. You think I got those questions on atheist educational videos? what a fucking joke. Everyone in my family are christians and I ask those questions everyday but they still avoid them and
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 What a specious argument re my saying u instead of you. And often yr instead of your. Haven't you yet learned that those are standard abbreviations in texting by adults? When one has so few spaces to write in, it's just common sense to start cutting out letters from those two words so as to squeeze in the end of a final sentence that overlaps too far.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 " and I'm 17 bro"
And you say 20 on your channel. Either way you're lying somewhere, child. But then I've always found atheists to be economical with the truth when arguing. And most of their ideas can be traced back to atheist websites, though some indeed just make use of YT. Why should I believe your claim to be any better, child? And as for these parents of yours, what denomination are they? You might be honest but the atheist reputation is tarnished by the great mass of them.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus bead around them just like you are doing, so I guess I'm wasting my time because you will not answer?
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus /watch?v=estGvCQgg1o insidethechurchofsatan(dot)com
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 Personally I prefer to believe one million Egyptians and other visitors from elsewhere, many of them respected members of the professions, than to believe a dilettante of dubious education who claims that somehow going to Zeitoun led to people becoming afflicted with schizophrenia ever after. A case unprecedented in the whole history of psychiatry and yet unmentioned as such in all the clinical manuals? And on so massive a scale? Absurd.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus Yes very absurd, but you avoided my question when I asked who created God? If God created everything and knows everything how come he didn't see Lucifer trying to overcome him? What kind of God makes humans imperfect but then damns then for doing so? The questions are endless and I can keep you here for ages trying to figure out the answers. But one more question, why would God crucify his own son for our mistakes?
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 "why would God crucify his own son for our mistakes?"
Idiot, God got himself crucified. You have completely failed to understand the Trinity as most atheists, jews and muslims fail to do. The reference to Persons in the Trinity refers to persona meaning a mask, like the masks of Graeco-Roman theatre. God is a triune unity, merely wearing different masks. In the incarnation God took human form, and that human form is referred to Person of the Son, the human mask.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus FYI There is an "as the" omitted between "referred to" and "Person of the Son".
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus That is exactly why it is all bullshit! I tested to see what you were going to say and you said just that. You don't know how many versions of answers I get when I ask that question so which one is it? Please continue this argument in a PM because I'm sick of coming to this fucking video.........
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 "That is exactly why it is all bullshit! I tested to see what you were going to say and you said just that."
That post is not only vulgar but illiterate, too. It fails to make clear what is bullshit and why, or what is "just that". Or which answer of mine you refer to that you claim you have got many different answers to. If it's about the crucifixion, I'm not surprised. But say so! And your language is foul, too. People help if you're polite. PM me for tomorrow but stay cool.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus So when will you answer Bigpheet's question? I see you are very forgetful when it comes to those. How was "That is exactly why it is all bullshit! I tested to see what you were going to say and you said just that " vulgar? We were clearly talking about Jesus being crucified so don't play dumb with me. Like I said in my previous post, if you want to continue this argument PM me but you might change the subject.
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 And of course u attempt to wriggle out of discussing my Zeitoun point by a verbal pirouette, because u are incapable of producing any logical explanation. But in point of fact your agreement that it is "yes, very absurd" is also a seeming condemnation of the nullity of your explanation by schizophrenia.
As for who invented God, Time is an invention of God when he created the Universe. Before the Universe there is no Time, merely God. U bring a space/time/causation logic into it.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus Do you really believe that time actually created God? They have you brainwashed mister but I'll fill you in with these "educational videos" about satanism because I get no reply answering my questions or you'll answer one and it'll be incorrect and you will feel as if you won. If you can't answer them then I will take my questions elsewhere.
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 "Do you really believe that time actually created God?"
Go back and read what I said, lackey, and go on a remedial reading course. I said God invented time when he invented the Universe, (since that is the first time that discernible change starts and the whole space/time dimension). I said "Time is an invention of God when he created the Universe. Before the Universe there is no Time, merely God." Clearly you found the syntax too difficult for you. FAIL in English for you.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 And one point, lackey, I waited 3 hours for you to answer and when you didn't I went and did other things. One thing you have to learn is that adults aren't at your disposal 24 hours a day. What time zone are you in? Mine is CET. And it's over an hour past my bedtime so I'm not watching your video till tomorrow.
And as you perverted my answer on God and Time, and have refused to answer me on Zeitoun, you won't be getting any more from me until you have the good manners to explain Z.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus lmao I'm sorry you think the world revolves around you, people have other things to do than to cater to your needs my friend. I'm going to answer everything in this post here because I'm done with you and go ahead and think you won. I will play your game "child". You get my answer when I get yours friend. What do I have to lie about? The only thing you brought up was the fact that I said I was 20 on my profile.... Your 3rd post brought you back a notch when you said
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 You started the game by refusing to provide an answer on Zeitoun. That is why I challenged you in the first place, and I should have seen that your attitudes were purely adolescent from the Spaghetti and I would never get a sensible answer. As for the world revolving around anyone, that is something most teenagers think as they find it difficult not to place their emotions at the centre of their consciousness. And make demands on others they don't place on themselves.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus Again I'm done fighting with a stubborn adult who fails to see what I'm getting at. You completely killed my morning. I shall now go commit a sin and masturbate ......
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 Just saw your Church of Satan video and left a cynical comment after Part 2.
What a YAWN... The only advantage of watching it is that one knows one will never go near them - they are such conformist bourgeois. That is just not Satanism at all.
Steer clear of them if you don't want to be bored.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 I'm sure you didn't need any encouragement from me to commit that, whether by way of disappointment or not.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus I didn't blame you at all for masturbating. I just stated that you killed my morning.
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 Devious, too. Anyone reading what you say would link the fact I had "killed your morning" with yr next sentence that you're now going off to masturbate.
But most would have the common sense to realize this was just yet another teeny attempt to shock the elderly. As with yr suggestion God emerged from a fart (implication:He is a turd). and the obviously contemptuous manner with which you refer to all Christian beliefs.
Sadly for you we're unshockable. We've heard it all before.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus Um nope that doesn't work. Here let me show you the way you see it. "You have killed my morning thus making me commit the sin of masturbation". You see now? When I said "the world doesn't revolve around you", it wasn't meant to be taken as a literal statement. Man you are so uptight that everyone must love you. But I see you are from germany and I really like germany. I will man up and confess I was wrong only because I need someone to teach me german.
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus "God invented time when he invented the Universe". You fail to understand that someone cannot create themself. So there was a fart and out came God? Yes very reasonable. Plus you claim I'm in remedial english when you start sentences with and. How old are you mister? Please fill me in.
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 You need some sort of training in philosophy. You still are thinking in space/time concepts and causal concepts that are applicable for the Universe's laws, but not for before the beginning of space/time. Perhaps if u got more down to a serious study of Einstein and relativity you would begin to realize that things are more complicated philosophically even within the universe than they appear. But before the Universe those space/time concepts of cause and effect don't apply at all.
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@LakaiGuy931 "I'm going to answer everything in this post here because I'm done with you"
No sign of your answering anything. Parents denomination? Time zone? Zeitoun explanation?
You are only capable of a jejune desire to shock with your talk of farts and God that show you cannot even understand my philosophical point. Obviously no point in casting pearls before you...
If u're done, good. I didn't learn anything I didn't know already - as teen asked myself the same questions as u.
No PM...
Porphyrygrampus 9 months ago
@Porphyrygrampus Lmao I said the word fart once and you make it seem like I used throughout our conversation. Why do christians think satanism is evil? Just because your pastor claims it is? If anything "God" is the evil one.
LakaiGuy931 9 months ago
✝ I Just love this video - thanks for uploading! God Bless.
delilah75 1 year ago
The more I read what u write, the more I feel u are mentally sick, but that illness is not physical but spiritual! Rome may have been pretty sick at its worst, but that sickness seems nowadays to be lurking in souls like yours, which seem ready to promote a bloodbath that will make the 16-17th c look civilized. Prots "all brethren" when it comes to hating Rome - yea, all agents of the Brotherhood more like.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "The more I read what u write, the more I feel u are mentally sick, but that illness is not physical but spiritual! Rome may have been pretty sick at its worst, but that sickness seems nowadays to be lurking in souls like yours..." In other words Rome has been "born again", come on!
In you condition you should not concern yourself about my mental sickness, which you don't believe anyway. Otherwise why are you so keen of "debating" a mentally sick person? Back to you porp!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
You: 1 Cor. 15:3 " Christ died for our sins ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES;"Which Scriptures?
The Hebrew Scriptures of course as i said in what you reply to. Paul of course launches the debate brilliantly. The debate and analysis goes on with both the Talmudic Rabbinate and other Christians till Constantine and later still about the nature of Christ and what refers to him in OT. All very clear I wd have thought!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "The Hebrew Scriptures of course as i said in what you reply to. Paul of course launches the debate brilliantly."
Is preaching of the gospel a "debate"?
bulyabalive 1 year ago
Yes, I know, I know. Only a RCC Judas. Try again!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
Profound aversion to those who throw undigested and unanalyzed Bible citations at the heads of others to try to condemn or convince them. Belief that any theological argument should be ordered like a university essay and argued out logically, only bringing in Bible quotes that are an apposite part of the argument, while displaying a knowledge of the history of the time and insight into the society.
Well really that's not much of a brainteaser: I could only be a .......................
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "Profound aversion to those who throw undigested and unanalyzed Bible citations at the heads of others to try to condemn or convince them..."
Mat. 4:4,7,10 Jesus said unto him (Satan) "It is written..." "It is written again..." "Get thee hence, Satan for it is written..."
"For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge..." (Rom. 10:2)
bulyabalive 1 year ago
Belief in the Holy Spirit operating through the early Councils of the Church. Belief in the legitimacy of the original apostolic churches. Belief Grace+Faith+Works. Took distance to Luther and markedly to Calvin. No belief in Priesthood of All Believers or in Scriptura Sola. No belief that all Christians are guided personally by the Holy Spirit in their interpretation of Scripture. Clear belief in need for an Authority but finds idea that he's a slave of his Church leader frankly ridiculous.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "Belief in the Holy Spirit operating through the early Councils of the Church. Belief in the legitimacy of the original apostolic churches. Belief Grace+Faith+W....." I am answering to the whole post:
How does the H/S operate in Church Councils? Does He speak to the group & they all hear Him at once?
What does the N/T say about priesthood? Who are the Priesthood according to the N/T?
bulyabalive 1 year ago
Usually Prot critics of Marian sites go to great lengths to conceal their origins but one needs to know where people are from to begin to understand them. You could have asked me from the start but u were too keen to have me as a RC sparring-partner. But I have given you a mass of clues throughout. Perhaps you can guess now? I showed I did not consider Mary a mere good woman (ah! those arrogant MCPs of the 16th c.Reform). But I was not RCC. I had BritProt roots. ModProt. No Lollard of Wycliffe.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "Usually Prot critics of Marian sites go to great lengths to conceal their origins...."
What are these Marian apparations to you? Do you take them as true?
bulyabalive 1 year ago
"Everything in the early Church seems to be the RCC for ME."
Sorry! My wife arrived at that moment so I got distracted and sent this off too quickly while she broached a new topic.
It should read:"Everything in the early Church seems to be the RCC for YOU. Right at the beginning I warned u that the idea that the RCC begins after John is antihistorical!"".
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
"I don't even have the time for that spiritual junk." With reference to the Church Fathers!
Do tell us the commentaries u actually have read! And the church or sect u attend!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "Do tell us the commentaries u actually have read! And the church or sect u attend!"
My "sect" have the five-fold ministries. We do have those gifted as teachers. Do you know that the early Church was also called a "sect". It seems this is typical of traditionists.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive Buly, you keep on telling me things i know already! But it's better than telling me things I do not know about myself like my being a RCC Judas! Of course the Christians were seen as a Jewish sect by the Temple priesthood. And the matter of their close links with the Essenes, another sect, is of abiding interest to me. And I asked you "church or sect?" about yourself and you opted for sect. Fine! I congratulate you for being the first Prot frank enough to tell me their church onYT!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
The theory of "RCC giving us the Bible" is empty & empty can be.
Who has this theory? Not me! You are obviously confused. Everything in the early Church seems to be the RCC for me. Right at the beginning I warned u that the idea that the RCC begins after John is antihistorical!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "Who has this theory? Not me! You are obviously confused. Everything in the early Church seems to be the RCC for me. Right at the beginning I warned u that the idea that the RCC begins after John is antihistorical!"
Lol, you surely sound like them.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
"You don't fool me with your claim "I am moderate Protestant". You are just a Judas. You love RCC, the earlier you accept that the better. So just go & be baptised and start eating your baked Jesus and go to purgatory after this life."
What venom there is in this person! How much hatred! All hate is from the demon! And too slippery ever to answer a personal question, and too blind to ask one! One needs a modicum of interest in the other to ask such questions. Peace!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "What venom there is in this person! How much hatred! All hate is from the demon! And too slippery ever to answer a personal question, and too blind to ask one! One needs a modicum of interest in the other to ask such questions. Peace!"
Lol caught in your own trap! I challenge you to be truthful. What do you mean by being a "moderate protestant"!
And you wish me peace when you don't have any. Lol!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
Satan on the other hand uses the so-called Scholars & theologians who do not even fear God to try to corrupt the Bible, exalt beings while down playing the divinity of Christ.
Amen to that one! Largely starts with Wycliffe, Luther and Calvin. Gets worse with German criticism Scholars in 19th c.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "Amen to that one! Largely starts with Wycliffe, Luther and Calvin. Gets worse with German criticism Scholars in 19th c."
Oops, and you said you are a Protestant!
BTW, did Luther (I am not a Lutheran) did a good thing to reject the indulgences or not?
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive I was aware from the start you were not Lutheran. That's why I opted for US ProtFundie or BibProt with probable Calvinist theological descent believing in the Elect,& "scriptura sola" tenets.
My Church believed that the leadership of the RCC was deeply corrupt c.1520, in the hands of the Italian magnates, Medici, Borgia. I believe rebuilding StPeter's was a disaster and the way of financing it selling (Indulgences) even worse. Luther's attack on it was heroic. Later he started to
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
throw out the baby with the bathwater and became himself a part puppet of the North German princelings in their struggle against the Emperor. Of course he was reluctant to be burned by very nasty enemies of his so became dependent for survival on those princes. So RCC and Lutherans were too much under aristocratic control. But he started a process of growing scepticism that in just 200 years wd lead to a huge development of deism in the Western intellectual world (& USAwithJefferson,Washington)
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
"You are obviously confusing "teaching" & "interpretation""
Far from it! Paul was the greatest teacher of the Early Church for he was both a scholar & an intellectual and could interpret the sacred writings. All his letters consist of interpretation, and he was brilliant at it!
You are confused if not deluded.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
If one can study the so-called Church Fathers (your pride) you discover they did not agree on many occations as their writings & your theologians will agree!
Why my pride? More your pride refusing to be edified by them. Of course occasionally they disagreed but they did not split up. They decided things by ecumenical congresses, argued it out and decided by vote at the end.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "Why my pride? More your pride refusing to be edified by them. Of course "
Maybe you have forgotten your posts, which typical of argumentative people. I actually do not put much study on Church Fathers to be "edified", when the Word of God was given to me for my edification. I don't even have the time for that spiritual junk.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
the sin remaining in the Christian heart opposes the plain teaching of God's Word
You don't teach God's Word. You hurl Biblical quotes at the heads of the flock and call it teaching! No explanation. Nothing! You'd soon be sacked as a school teacher if u did that!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "You don't teach God's Word. You hurl Biblical quotes at the heads of the flock and call it teaching! No explanation. Nothing! You'd soon be sacked as a school teacher if u did that!"
Who said I am teaching the Word of God? Are you that tired or what?
bulyabalive 1 year ago
"Unfortunately you Romanists are just slaves"... The lie continues. It can only be willfully demonic. Few people have ever been less 'slave of my church leader' than myself. It's really amusing quite how wrong you can be! BTW, who is your church leader (accepting of course it cd well be your sweet self)?
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus .....the lie continues. It can only be willfully demonic. Few people have ever been less 'slave of my church leader' than myself. It's really amusing quite how wrong you can be! BTW, who is your church leader (accepting of course it cd well be your sweet self)?"
Apparently you did not read the qoute I gave you from the Canons & Laws of the Church or you just ignored it for sake of arguments.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
It is a narrow thinking to believe that as disciples (which means students) of God will ever graduate;(Eph 4:13) This is ungrammatical! No verb? graduate? from College?
what translation is that?
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "It is a narrow thinking to believe that as disciples (which means students) of God will ever graduate;(Eph 4:13) This is ungrammatical! No verb? graduate? from College?"
Didn't know I will sound confusing. I meant God's School which is Spiritual; we are ever learning & there is no graduation!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
2ndly Christians are NOT immune to error & deception by false teachers e.g. in Church of Galatia & Corith Quite so! Particularly when individual ones claim that they have the Holy Spirit an set themselves up as yet another separate sect!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus 2ndly Christians are NOT immune to error & deception by false teachers e.g. in Church of Galatia & Corith Quite so! "Particularly when individual ones claim that they have the Holy Spirit an set themselves up as yet another separate sect!"
Oops! I can only say the Holy Spirit is God!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
"However, I am not to be fooled by your so called "unity" because it does not even exist." Again this demonic perseverance in a lie here, the lie that u are dealing with me with the Roman Church. In reply to you re Pentecostalist RC churches, altho' there is a division of opinion in the RC Church about this, there is no open schism I know of there. There were always differences of opinion in Chch
And how can you delight in further division in US Prot'sm when Jesus prayed 4 unity? That's Gospel!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus It is you who does not see the unity of Protestantism because your mind have been inflitirated so much you don't even know what reformation was all about, thanks to the Jesuits. All these branches as long as they "remain" on the Vine which is Christ, they are but brethren. While the so called "apostalic Church" cannot discover beyond its boarders.
However this unity have a common enemy, the moment to prostitute themselves with the Church of Rome: you are one of them.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive You: "It is you who does not see the unity of Protestantism. This unity have (sic) a common enemy, the moment (sic: movement??) to prostitute themselves with the Church of Rome: you are one of them!" (My God! I am threatened by a fiendish mob of fanatics!) You seem to be admitting here what I accused you of, namely that the only unity to be found amongst extreme Protestants was their common hatred of the Church of Rome. Hatred is devilish-leads to Hell. My Church suffered much from
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "You seem to be admitting here what I accused you of, namely that the only unity to be found amongst extreme Protestants was their common hatred of the Church of Rome. Hatred is devilish-leads to Hell. My Church suffered much from....."
Oops, there it is again? That word "hate"? And where do you get the idea that I hate the Church of Rome? You comfortable with their false gospel, I am not! So I tell them the truth! And you, sweetmouth them, they will devour you, dear...
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive from the hands of Rome, but if we were to hate for ever we would burn for ever. I conjure you not to be misled by the Spirit you think is from God and which you worship as the Holy Spirit in your Pentecostalism, not to be misled into joining Satan in persecuting the Woman and her Child of John's Revelation, lest you live with that Spirit for ever and ever, finally discovering his true face as a former Angel of Light! Hate rather than evangelical forgiveness delivers u into his hand.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Lol, your Church suffered from the hands of Rome.... What has changed? According to them you are no longer a heretic which you were for 500 years but "separate brethren". According to them heretics were supposed to be killed! According to them you cannot be saved outside their "One-true & Church". According to their CTD you are cursed 33 & damned 120 times because of your beliefs yet VT II gives you false hope of being a "separate brethren" according to their Councils!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Honestly, who is fooling who? And you say I persecute "the Woman & her Child?" according to Rev. 12? No Sweet-heart, you are actually the one drank with the wine of her fornication according to Rev. 17!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive Honestly, who is fooling who? And you say I persecute "the Woman & her Child?" according to Rev. 12? No Sweet-heart, you are actually the one drank with the wine of her fornication according to Rev. 17!
bulyabalive 1 week ago
And that from someone who refuses to explain the Bibquotes she throws around on the ground that they "mean what they mean". And then proceeds to give an interpretation to Rev.17 that is totally polemical and gratuitous, sheer sectarian Prot interpretation!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Let us examine this:
You said I persecute the woman & her Child;
and I replied, I don't think so, to me it is you who is drank with the wine of her forniaction;
Now that is a fair deal when it comes to interpretations, don't you think? Smile!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
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@bulyabalive For Papists (and indeed their appologists) to say they make use of an image to put them in mind of God, is as if a woman should say she keeps company with another man to put her in mind of her husband.
Bigpheet 10 months ago
@bulyabalive Ah, the poor Jesuits. They must lurk behind every mind that does not join in the great Crusade against Rome!!! I have found on the web the most cretinous Prot tracts ever that see the Jesuits as having founded the first Bank of America, run MI5 since the start, been the main force behind Saddam and the present Iraqi goverment, all in alliance with F∴M∴ and the Bnai Brith and the Illuminati, a sort of substitute for Satan and the Witch's Sabbath. Do u really believe in this cr@p?
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Ah, the poor Jesuits.... Oh poor fellows like you, keeping their heads in the sand!
And please don't ask me what I believe about them. It is like asking me whether I believe George Bush or Barak Obama is the anti-christ.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
"I am the true vine & my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: & every branch that beareth fruit he purgeth it that it may bring forth more fruit." Amen to that. Then Calvin and Luther bite the dust.
Luther - Salvation by Faith, no! Calvin- Salvation by Grace, no!
Apostolic Churches - Salvation by Grace, Faith and Works. Yes!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Luther - Salvation by Faith, no! Calvin- Salvation by Grace, no! Apostolic Churches - Salvation by Grace, Faith and Works. Yes!"
God says: "For by grace are you saved through faith; & that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, less any man should boast."
"Now to him that works is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that works not but believes on Him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righeousness."
I have my pick!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
Prov. 30:5-6 means what it says, not what I mean by it.
I take this to be a confession that what Proverbs says and what you think about it are two completely separate things. So what is your game in hurling Scriptural quotes like these at me?
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus 30:5-6 means what it says. It does not need my interpretation. So if you can't even "interpret" my post, how can you interpret the Bible.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
13h15 Buly, hello on a new day! I just wanted to ask u if u have trouble replying to my many questions because English may not be ur native tongue. I assumed u were a US Fundy, then saw u were in Germany (me,too, a coincidence?) & wondered if u were with the US forces there, later saw u were Milly. But perhaps u are German?(Or have a German husband.) That wd explain certain Engmistakes u made. It is of course a great strain to discuss theology in a foreign language.I wd not do so in German.True?
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
and these argued it out and Ecumenical Councils eventually decided the outcome by vote. Even the Christian Bible is a result of that process. The amazing thing is how Prot sects generally accept the Bible the Apostolic Churches produced after a few centuries, but tend to ignore or be ignorant of the ideas on interpreting it that the very choosers of the Bible books held dear. I must to bed! Peace!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus The theory of "RCC giving us the Bible" is empty & empty can be. First they don't even believe the book they claim to have given as the Authoritative Word of God, but with clear arrogance believe that their church fathers, popes & bishop can speak on the same level as God. 2ndly the believe God can give new Revelation through them when incidentaly the book of Revelation sealed the Bible! 3dly The Prot. Bible as they call it never originated from the corrupt versions of RCC!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
The whole way the Church in the first centuries turned to the Old Testament to try and work out who Jesus really was and how he related to the Father and the Holy Ghost was an interpretation! As a result the Churches produced the idea of the Trinity which you will find nowhere set out clearly in the Bible and the miracle is that in the end all Christendom came to agree on that interpretation of Christ as God. But there were Arians who thought Christ was a man, Gnostics who thought him purespirit
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus What do you mean "the Church in the first centuries turned to the Old Testament....". Do you mean Jesus' disciples did not know the revelation of Christ in the O/T but the "Church" which I guess from your Church teachings means RCC "worked out who Jesus really was" centuries later? Let us see Paul's words
1 Cor. 15:3 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received how that Christ died for our sins ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES;"
Which Scriptures were these?
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Interesting to note is that the 1stArian Origen who believed Christ was a lesser god is the 1st one to compile the Catholic Bible basing from his school of Philosophy in Alexandria Egypt! His work was captured by Eusebius who used the same manuscripts to make Bibles for Constantine. This line continued to St Jerome with Latin Vulgate. The Paulines & Waldensians had copies of maniscripts of Scriptures from Antioch, Syria - These where they ones used to produce KJV in England.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
is already an interpretation. Scholars since the Renaissance have been looking at the original Greek and thinking also about the substrata of Aramaic/Hebrew that underlines the sacred writings in order to work out the sense of this or that word, often disagreeing with each other, and you say there is no such thing as interpretation! The history of Christendom is full of wierdos who suddenly interpreted Scripture in a new way and founded some new grouping, ready to fight others to impose it!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus You are obviously confusing "teaching" & "interpretation". For those who teach, like those who are are apostles, prophets, evangelists & pastors; those a gifts from Christ (Eph. 4:11-12). If it is a gift, it does not need so-much of being a "Scholar" because God can use the unlearned as Peter & John (Acts 4:13) & can also use a Scholar like Paul! Both the unlearned & the learned contributed to the Bible BY THE INSPIRATION OF THE H/SPIRIT! It is God who gave the O/T in Hebrew
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus It is God who gave the N/T in Greek. It is God who allowed the Bible to be translated in English a widely spoken language of our time! Note that Greek at the time of the N/T was the most spoken language at that time, wereas the O/T Scripture was confined to the Hebrews/Jews! God does not make mistakes. Satan on the other hand uses the so-called Scholars & theologians who do not even fear God to try to corrupt the Bible, exalt beings while down playing the divinity of Christ.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
Prot groupings in the States broadly descended from Calvin which all disagree with each other on the interpretation of the Bible if there is no such thing as interpretation except in "Romanist" churches? Just one example in thousands. A few condemn all churches with Sunday worship saying it should be on the same day as the Jewish Sabbath. That is an interpretation of the Commandment to Keep the Sabbath Holy. Whenever you have a text it must necessarily be interpreted. Even a translation of Bible
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Unfortunately you Romanists are just slaves to your Church/leaders. In fact you are supposed to "give up you mind" to the Church: Qoute:Canon Law of the Church (RCC) (1983)
"Canon 753: “While not infallible in their teaching, [Catholic bishops] are the authentic instructors and teachers of the faith for Christ's faithful entrusted to their care. The faithful are bound to adhere, with a religious submission of mind, to this authentic Magisterium of their Bishops.”
Robots????
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus However, I am not to be fooled by your so called "unity" because it does not even exist. The apparent unity of the RCC is illusory, as any informed Catholic would know. The unity is structural & organizational, but there are serious divisions at all levels, especially between the more liberal & conservative Catholics. E.g. take the charismatic movement. In Protestant circles, Charismatics form separate denominations (and so the distinction from other denominations is obvious).
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus cont/.. Ref. division: Whereas in the Catholic church, the charismatic groups remain under the Roman umbrella. Their differences from non-charismatic Catholics are hidden though they are just as real as in Protestant churches!
Causes of divisions:
It is a narrow thinking to believe that as disciples (which means students) of God will ever graduate;(Eph 4:13)
2ndly Christians are NOT immune to error & deception by false teachers e.g. in Church of Galatia & Corith
3rdly Cont/..
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Cont/ 3dly and most importantly, the sin remaining in the Christian heart opposes the plain teaching of God's Word. Sometimes we find it hard to accept the teaching of the Bible because of practical implications we don't like or simply because it humiliates our natural pride.
If one can study the so-called Church Fathers (your pride) you discover they did not agree on many occations as their writings & your theologians will agree!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
Oh dear! Again we have the "you Romanists"! You've got to feel at war with the RCC even when you're with a non-RC! Again there is the idea that any Tom, Dick and Harry can interpret the Bible because he has the holy spirit according to u! And you give me as proof the promise of Jesus to send the HolyGhost toMaryandhisApostles after his death. And you appropriate that promise to yourself. That is an interpretation!And you deny that there is any interpretation! How come that there are 33,000...
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus The work of Jesus' disciples & indeed the example of the 1st Church in Acts was to plant Churches. If we have only 33,000 in our world today those are too few, we need more. Lol. Afterall Jesus said He is the vine! John 15:1: "I am the true vine & my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: & every branch that beareth fruit he purgeth it that it may bring forth more fruit."
RCC counts itself as the "vine" to replace God!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
handed me an essay on Shakespeare which had no subject title and consisted entirely of Shak. quotes without linking argument. So I ask u, what do you want to argue by those 3 quotes, and how are those quotes to interact together. And how do they refer to my position as u understand it (maybe falsely?). And if the first Proverb quote means what I think u mean by it, how come the other quotes can exist at all? And I think u misunderstand me when u say Iholdthetraditionofmen. Interpretation is key
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Prov. 30:5-6 means what it says, not what I mean by it. Incidentaly Jesus was not speaking idle words when He said men hold on to traditions of men. He knew that this was and will be. The consequences are in Mark 7:7 "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." You posts speaks of themselves in this regard.
Gal. 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive RCC counts itself as the "vine" to replace God! So what? How is that relevant to me? Personally I think that idea unlikely tho' perhaps someone somewhere spoke as the Church as the fruit of the Vine, if Vine is Christ. Where does the citation come from?
You just can't leave off the anti-RCC stuff, altho' I say I am moderate Prot not RC! You just seem to want to prove what I said earlier - that you are obsessed with the RCC and only armed to try to contradict them.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "RCC counts itself as the "vine" to replace God! So what? How is that relevant to me? "
O.K. now that I am through with your last day's posts, if I have time, let me continue with this one above.
Jesus said I am the vine, what does that mean to you? 2ndly why does every RCC member believes they are the only Church supposedly of Christ?
3rd which Church claims that "there is no salvation outside its boarders other than RCC?
Acts 4:12 declares through whom we are saved!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus "You just can't leave off the anti-RCC stuff, altho' I say I am moderate Prot not RC! "
You don't fool me with your claim "I am moderate Protestant". You are just a Judas. You love RCC, the earlier you accept that the better. So just go & be baptised and start eating your baked Jesus and go to purgatory after this life.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
But for me the really rude people are BibProtFundies. They throw Bible chunks at their opponents, frequently other BibProts whose congregations they wish to purloin, or RCs, without ever having the courtesy to attach an argument to those quotes or even set the quotes in context. When I received your 3, I felt I had been invited to a meal in which the host had merely placed the bulk ingredients to be cooked on the table and walked out without a word or even leaving the recipe. Or as if a student
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
remarkably calm gracious and self-contained. I am more flamboyant and can be far ruder, probably because I come from a Engprot background myself! And to some extent it amuses me to see how BibProts continually want me to be an RC, refuse to believe I am not, because they long to attack and subject adherents of the Scarlet Woman, as they believe Rome to be in their agit-prop. But subtler positions, non-fullblooded Roman ones, leave them helpless or in denial of reality. U just don't understand!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
And the works of the Church Fathers, the first of those who published works interpreting the Gospels was also important. All this is overthrown by Prots who think they can interpret the Bible correctly without ever having read what the Churches had written before as interpretation. Just when moved by the "Spirit". And extreme Prots were and are incredibly arrogant in this and aggressive like no one else in rejecting the old ways and anyone with respect for them. Real RCs I often note are nowaday
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Excuse me, Protestants don't enterpret the Bible as you romanists assume. It you who interprete it. God's word does not need interpretation of men. Jesus promised in John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will sent in My name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS & BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBERANCE, whatsoever I have said to you."
Hope you don' tell me "church fathers", bishops & priests are the only ones who "possess" the Holy Spirit!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
15:10pmThank you for having the guts to reply, despite the fact that you merely give me Biblical quotations without any argument attached to it, or any reply to my arguments about the defects of such a methodology. But then perhaps you have not seen some of them as you will have to wind back considerably to your earlier comments to see my replies re your methodology. The disruption of chronological posting order on YouTube is disturbing. Must to work/back later. Peace!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus You like arguments, I don't! So you may as well argue with the Word of God, to fit in your "tradition" theory. I just wonder at the arrogance of it all! What man can speak when God speaks. What can man add to Scripture!
Jesus said to people like you in Mark 7: For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men... Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition."
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive Buly, I can believe u don't like arguments! And u are right that I do. I'm an academic of sorts. But you are unfair to me and to the rest of traditional Christianity. You Bible-only Prots invented "scriptura sola" as the only criterion for establishing Truth after over 1500 years of Christianity in all the Churches had based themselves on a mixture of the Bible, reflexion on the Bible by theologians, Bishops and priests, and the workings of the Holy Spirit and respect for Authority.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus What authority is there except the Words that come out the mouth of God? Ignorance of God's word is to err. Mat. 22:29 "Jesus answered & said to them, You do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."
Now if a mighty Church with all its popes & bishops ach-bishops and whatever cannot explain doctrines like immaculate conception, indulgences, assumptions, papal infillability, etc from the God's word (because they are not there anyway) Who to trust God or men?
bulyabalive 1 year ago
BTW, the historical sources on Mary's death and assumption don't stem from the RCC originally but from the Eastern Churches, Jerusalem, Antioch, Paul's Greek churches united to John's Greek church etc. The RCC doctrine on the Assumption has its roots in non-Roman sources, (which does not mean the Eastern Churches subscribe to the exact wording of any RCC formulation about it. An Ecumenical Council would be required.)
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Prov. 30:5-6 "Every word of God is pure: He is a shield to them that put their trust in Him. Add you not to His words, less He reprove you, and you be found a liar."
John 17:17 "Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth."
2 Tim 3:16-17 "All scripture is given BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instructions in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished to all good works."
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@Porphyrygrampus Just given me Scripture which proves Mary's immaculate conception & her assumption!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
I notice a worrying blindness on the part of many Fundy Prots when dealing with films on Zeitoun (several here of those). They at once start to vituperate against the RCC. Clearly they have so little historical culture and make so little effort to extend it that they think this is an Apparition to the RCC, RCC approved. Totally false. It is a Marian Apparition in the Church of St Mark not Peter's, in the Coptic Church, (never under Roman control, quite separate, founded in the Apostolic era) .
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
You would appear to have made a v. short sneering reply 4 hours ago, but on my previous visits in the past 4 hours it was not there. Now at getting on for 1a.m. I find that little sneer flagged as spam and therefore invisible. Perhaps you thought better of it and flagged it as spam? I have made it visible again by clicking on "not spam". Problem is that sneering suggests cowardice and the inability to answer coherently. As I said already, I am listening. Do u seek your pastor for a good answer?
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
A much saner methodology would be to look at all the early Churches that formed the doctrines of l Christendom and ask oneself what these Churches have in common. They, not just Rome, are the original churches. If we find that all those churches make use of images and always did, that is important for the matter of "idolatry". If we find that in all these Churches Mary was held to have been Virgin to the end, then that is of the greatest importance. It is far more likely to be historical truth.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
The wierd thing about Fundies is that they follow this recent rule of "scriptura sola" judging everything by scriptural quotation, but their chief criterion, that the Bible is the only guide, is not actually in the Bible. So the very roots of the Fundy system are unjustifiable by the Bible itself and even by their own yardstick their methodology cannot be correct. And so many quote indiscriminately, totally failing to understand that a Bible quote applies to a particular context not universally.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
and still draw upon the bodies of writings known as the Tradition. All contributed Fathers to the Church. The fact that Rome makes appeal to Tradition does not mean we should despise or ignore Tradition. The objection to Rome should lie in the fact that Rome later became separated from the rest of Christendom and went its own way, producing doctrines that have not been ratified by the other original churches of the first ecumenical conferences. And claimed then to be right alone.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
But Paul's inclusion does not mean that we should ignore the missionary work of other Apostles who set up churches elsewhere. The Coptic Church goes back to St Mark who founded churches in Egypt that became the later Alexandria Patriarchate, one of the 5 patriarchates that came together to decide on Church doctrine. Rome was merely one of these 5 Patriarchates. The Pope didn't even preside over the Ecumenical Conferences. Church doctrine was agreed by all the churches. All these churches drew...
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
people that the books of the Christian Bible were not put together to be a definitive guide to the Christian belief for ever and ever. The motive was utilitarian, give the 4 most important and trustworthy sources on the life of Jesus so Christians could have a good guide to what he said. Then we have Acts and a selection of letters, largely Paul, because Christians needed at least a partial picture of the work of evangelisation, as Paul was undoubtedly the most brilliant missionary intelligence.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
How do we even know that Luke wrote Acts! From Tradition. That is the body of early Christian work that is not in the Bible. We learn too that he painted the first painting of the BVM. That is important in the image controversy and iconoclasm. Tradition comes from a word that means "what has been handed down to us". Ignore it at your peril! Protestant Fundies turn the Bible into a sort of Idol. 'If it's not there it's false' is their yardstick. That's just bad history! It should be obvious to...
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Porphyrygrampus Is this the best you can come up with?
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive Why do you so-called Bible Christians continually flee debate when it gets hard by emitting sneers or lies. Is that really the best you can come up with? I would like at least some semblance of debate, rather than ducking out. But possibly you never bothered to read what I said, since you felt it would be Romish and might "pervert" you. I'm not RC! Another problem is that the order of what I wrote here seems to have changed completely. Is this YouTube's crazy software? Must be.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
Peter and Paul. How do we know how they died? We have to go to the traditions of the Christian Church, read Eusebius and other historians to find out Paul was executed with the sword in south Rome, and Peter crucified upside-down in a circus roughly where StPeter's Square now is. But this is not in the Bible. The same with Mary's story. It continues... How do we know about John on Patmos, or Mark founding the Alexandrian church, or Thomas in India. From Tradition not from the Bible!Who was Luke?
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
If u want to understand re name, google jabulon! My original objection to what u said lay in a historian's approach to historical documents. I consider the scriptura sola approach deeply flawed, (those who refuse to believe anything that is not in scripture). Any historical document must leave off somewhere in its narration. To say what happened after the end of a document is not history is antihistorical. That is what scriptura sola churches are and do. Acts stops short even before the deaths..
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
You are totally obsessed with the RCC. Every time you find someone who disagrees with you you think it's the RCC. That is because most of you extreme Protestant Fundies and sects are woefully ignorant of anything to do with the early non-Roman churches and their traditions. You have been reared on a diet of anti-Romanism with your mother's milk and are blind to anything but You and Rome. Seek wider. Study church history! Learn. Church history does not cease with John's writings and then RCC!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
I have already done that by simply quoting what you wrote! Your imaginations! I have already told you that the part about Heaven was the only way your claim about Mary could have any sense apart from nonsense. In saying it I was merely being charitable. I could just have limited myself to my first post. By the way how was your post removed? Presumably by you? How and why did u do it? Finally read again my definition of Tradition, radically different from that of Trent & RCC. Early ecum councils!
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago
So you like my assessment of you as a Bully of Believers, a microcosm of the great bully, Satan. You also like my assessment of you as a Gaoler, and you smile. I am sure Satan smiles too when he is called that, for he knows that it is true. You do not deny it, either. In the traditions of the civil law they would say that he who keeps silence and does not deny, consents. As for my second post, it exists not as an absolute claim but as the only way your original claim cd have an element of truth.
Porphyrygrampus 1 year ago