agree on other spending but they invest more than 150k on training a personel to operate the equipments in the military. if u wanna gt out of debt and decrease unemployment rat allow death penalty for convicts who has either 25 to life or has been through prison 2 or more time for at least 4 years for each, the moment they r trialed as guilty for life take em out and shoot em in the face, its fast and cheap, u dont even need to bury them, just feed the body to the dogs or burn it
@Stingerbillion Magically, right? If everyone had a degree, everyone could get a job, right? There would be no garbage collectors because garbage would collect itself and everyone can be a doctor or an accountant because there are limitless numbers of jobs for educated people. Right?
Dedication, hard work and independent study lifted me out of poverty. Not some worthless, uberexpensive piece of paper that would have wasted valuable years out of my life to obtain.
@Ant1Live I wasted valuable years to obtain my degree, and i am making a lot more than average American these days. I also have job security. Just because you don't see the value in education doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If Americans today study & obtain degree in jobs that have more demand and high salary instead of what they like or dislike, the UE number would be a lot lower, high wages, and high standard of living.
@Stingerbillion There would be greater debt, less creativity, more unemployment and underemployment and above all LESS LEARNING and LESS PRODUCTIVITY. Schooling is not the same as education. Right now, bachelor's degrees are required for simple office work and the applications are mountains high because college leaves most people poorly suited to deal with job market fluctuation. It is a drain on society to expect people to pay so much to get so little. Autodidact, anyone?
@Ant1Live that doesnt mean that having education shouldnt give you a better job, now obviously if you work hard you can do it by yourself, but the point here is which one creates more jobs military wich has a gigantic budget, or education wich has a fraction of the budget that the military is recieving.
@heavytransit You and I agree on one thing: having education SHOULD give you a better job. You and I disagree, however, on the definition of "education."
@Ant1Live actually we agree i think education is the amount of knowlege you have not the degrees you have.
the thing is that i think schools should have a better program and budget so people actually earn knowlege not Diplomas, but you are right i think my comment wasnt very clear, have a good day.
Education not only creates jobs now, it also makes the job creators of the future (the actual job creators, not as a code-work for rich people), and it makes a country and an economy much better in so many ways.
Giving the chance of a good education to everyone is what made the west the superior and richer civilization (really, it's not Jesus), and we are throwing that away.
@MastermindX Education and school are not the same thing. As for Jesus, the entire history of this country has been about either entirely ignoring his importance, like you do, or attributing to him words that he never even said, like most people who claim to be "Christian" do.
@Ant1Live Education does create jobs for the teachers. Also yeah, allows people to sublimate structural unemployment... by creating new jobs and new markets.
@MastermindX The jobs for teachers are often make-work jobs. That isn't "job creation" since those resources could be used elsewhere if people knew how much of a scam college is for most people. Education doesn't create new markets, research and development does. Research can happen in schools, but it can also happen elsewhere.
Here I use the word "education" losely. In reality, education and schooling are not the same thing.
@Ant1Live Education does create jobs moron. If you had any, maybe then you will know. Tell that to the software engineer who will innovate computers and new softwares. Tell that to researchers who will find cures for disease. Tell that to engineers who build bridges and buildings. Education creates innovators and entrepreneurs. Best example i can give you are Chinese and Indian people who are highly EDUCATED. Fucking ignorant trolls.
1. 1998 Brooksley Born ( white woman ) wanted to regulate the subprime mortages. She was Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission in America.
2. 5 Jews defeated her : Alan Greenspan. Robert Rubin, Lawrence Summers, Arthur Levitt & Timothy Geithner ( appointed Obama's Treasury Secretary )
3. In 2008 these subprime mortgages exploded & thousand of Americans were homeless.
Is this a bit deceptive though? A lot of teachers in the US get paid *horrible* wages, so perhaps a fairer deal for them would really knock down the number of jobs per billion dollars.
The United States, will never cut military spending. The United States is only relevant in the form of colonialism, for example Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Looking at the history of U.S, hard power, which is military power is the only power the U.S. uses. Just this month the U.S. military will get 662 billion dollars, while the America's economy is in the gutter. Now the U.S. want to war with Iran and Syria. America's military is over extended, their downfall is inevitable.
The main reason we saw such prosperity under Clinton was that we weren't funding any wars. Great model to follow, which seemed to be Obama's original plan before the RepubliCrash of 2008 made it necessary to keep people out of the labor market and in the army.
The question of what spending creates more jobs boils down to which economic activities are more labor-intensive vs. capital-intensive. Education wins... duh. The guns vs butter argument, i.e. what do we give up in order to spend an insane amount on weaponry, is more effective in my opinion.
country is run by death-worshiping scum that blows 59% of the budget on military spending with no accountability. how many countries fight simultaneous wars with private military contractors and the national army? overkill much?!
@tbagged0909 Really? Your comment makes little to no sense. You post *why *their. Without a complete sentence, I'll take you disapprove of my misuse of the letter Y for the word why. And my misuse of THERE for their.
You add very little to the conversation. Yes, your correct and you've mad a funny. But why in the same comment complain about my misuse, then you yourself use LOL and @???
Its sad that we spend more on KILLING foreign people than educating our own. Oh wait Education is low on the totem pole unless its education for teaching how to kill with bombs, guns and nukes....I get it now...
@quetzalel What was it that Golda Meier said? "We must learn to love our children more than we hate our enemies."? It seems that the U.S., as a nation, has yet to learn that lesson.
@BloatedSensations I totally agree. But the problem is that here in the U.S. children are taught to hate foreigners-look at our attitude towards Mexicans, love their ill-gotten lands, love their food, love their gardening/nanny skills and exploit their farm workers, but GOD forbid some of them are here "illegally" hmmm I wonder how they'd react to Jesus were he alive now-would they ask him for his green card-he is an ILLEGAL afterall...GD hypocrite rePUBICan'ts!!
@ConradW : A teacher not being paid as much as a test fighter pilot is not an argument to spend less on education and more on defense. The point is more people are making money at a teacher's salary, and if money is spent on education, you might even assume at a slightly raised teacher's salary, and then you have more consumers. And education doesn't just affect teachers, and I'm sure you're referring to high school teachers, but professors, researchers, and administrators.
@OmarAlQaseer And of course, not all the investment is used to pay salaries. In military contracts there are other costs which make it less efficient in producing jobs.
Why do we call it defense spending? Are we are defending ourselves from innocent Iraqi women and children? Seriously, shouldn't it be called hostile takeover spending?
@village1diot But then it would be harder to convince the public to give their tax dollars to that kind of spending. It has to have a nice sounding name so that people can feel okay about it.
It's okay, I'm sure that this report can be dismissed as those "libe-AL" academics faking stuff to make sure they get their big fat government payday. Oh, it's peer-reviewed? IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
Is anyone really surprised that the data is the exact opposite of the garbage the talking heads are selectively feeding their voter base? "Yeah! Defense "spending" creates jobs and keeps 'Merica strong (and my donors rich)! 4 'Merica! Education is evil!" These people are pathetic.
@SturmMedik no because you see defence spending *prevents* wars. Just like how the next biggest armies have been in so many wars recently, like the French, Germans, Japanese and Chinese. Smaller budget means more wars. /irony.
@ConradW : What recent wars have the French, Germans, Japanese, or Chinese been in? Are you talking about Libya? That was a NATO effort and the US participated in that as well. Are you talking about Tibet? Well that's China's internal issue and the result of China's policies in Tibet and the fact that China isn't really a democracy.
@SturmMedik What? Wars kill people, and there for, it takes away their jobs, so for every soldier killed, thats one job down, in education, unless some crazy idiot goes on a rampage, that does not happen.
@OldSchoolSkill I'm reminded of the Swedish chemist and engineer, Alfred Nobel, who invented dynamite for the sake of industry and was subsequently branded at least by some as "the merchant of death," as we all now know what dynamite can also be used for. He was so sickened by this fact that he changed his will, thus creating the beginnings of the Nobel Prize we know today. Shame he didn't live to see 1945; he might have died a little less ashamed of his contributions to warfare.
Amazing republicans and pretty much some people haven't paid close attention in Political science class. The spending budget on education is super small.. So how the hell can that be too expensive to spend on and cut? That's what doesn't make sense period.
I'm not denouncing this study, but the numbers may be a bit skewed for some underlying reasons. For example, defense spending creates fewer jobs, but many of those are probably very high-paying jobs, and since teachers get paid way less, more jobs are created from the same amount of money. But yes, it is still inconsistent for republicans to reject stimulus spending but then try to justify defense spending for the purpose of stimulating the economy.
@GrayFox1203 Are you saying majority of politicians genuinely care about the greater good of society and not about who is gives them the most campaign contributions, or a pay check after retirement?
The problem is, if everyone furthered their education we would simply end up with alot of over educated people who end up working laborer jobs anyway. There isn't enough jobs out there that require a degree.
@Polydynamix not necessarily true, but true if you assume a zero sum. The actual problem is not what we spend money on, but how we spend money in those fields. I have a liberal arts degree, which means I am part of the problem, except I didn't use student loans to pay for my degree, so at least i am not a part of the government end of the problem. Science degrees on the other hand actually create more jobs while filling vacant positions. Science education is, I think, the key to many issues.
@IsaacScharp I am an example to the contrary of that. I have a bachelors of science but you know what I do for a living... I work at a museum putting color back into black and white pictures. Not exactly science, more art. Needed a degree to get the job, but use none of it while at work.
They want to cut education because the American people needs to be clueless by watching reality TV,eating Fast food,and listening to Lady Gaga or T.I.
This is great story and a great video, when you focus on the facts, but I think you're getting a little snarky Cenk, and saying that they are Dead Wrong, you even admitted that their viewpoint can make sense, but your playing around with words bro. You are starting to sound like those other news programs with an agenda. I missed it when your agenda was just to report the news fairly.
Education > Health care > Clean Energy > Tax cuts > Military spending.
The irony in this is that the methods which create the LEAST jobs are always advocated by the Republicans, all the while they want to cut the first three to the bone.
@Saaduk92 In truth military spending could produce more jobs if it weren't for the ridiculous profits made by military contractors (not the workers, the owners and stockholders), it's just another way for the rich to funnel money out of the treasury. Often there isn't any competitive bidding for govt contracts and when there is the price we pay is nearly always many times the cost of the product we're buying.
@Saaduk92 the irony is that you fail to understand its the exact opposite. you see per billion dollars its that way, but overall its the complete opposite. so again. please learn to listen to alll the details before making a stupid assumption.
The additional irony is your embarrassing assumption that I wasn't aware of this. The reason the jobs weren't compared on an overall basis was because total funding varies wildly and wouldn't show how well each industry does per dollar.
@Saaduk92 the true irony is that the united states gives out totals every year. you can look it up. so no it doesnt vary wildy, and of course education is going to be better per dollar. its something that you dont have to waste. like in tanks you have to get rid of so much metal and etc. thats a lot of wasted money. man hours etc. quit being stupid and understand what actually goes on.
@Saaduk92 it doesnt vary wildy. its known facts. and yes that stuff may make more jobs per amount spent, but at the same time. you cant have 300 million teachers can u? exaggeration of course, but you see there is a limit. in defense spending there is no limit. only innovation.
@Saaduk92 varying would imply that every year its diffeerent its really not. like saying i make 300k and u make 200k and thats varying wildly? no? just what we make?
Hello! The military was never intended to create jobs! So this accurate and true stat Cenk is telling us is a moot point. Our military was created to protect us from invading forces, nothing more, it was never intended to be partners with foreign entities or private corporations.
I agree with Cenk, my point just being the military is not suppose to create jobs or tax revenue, it's suppose to PROTECT US.
It will be a great day when the military has to hold a bake sale to pay for their bombs.
Cenk, if you did the graph based on "trickle-up-economics" (= "how much of the government money will end up at CEO´s and at the 1%"), it would pretty much EXACTLY be the other way around: Education: Totally un-appealing to the rich. How much is there in the 1% on that? Almost nothing. Yet THE MILITARY? - With all these MASSIVELY over-priced products and services, CEO´s, and Republican donors in general make A FORTUNE on that.
Tax cuts don't factor into small business hiring decisions nearly at all, while tax cuts for the poor and middle class provide additional revenue for the small businesses.
@AntoniusFractus It is a basic fact of economics that it doesn't matter who you collect the tax from as much as what the tax is put on. You can "tax a business," that is, collect taxes from them, but it ultimately hurts both the production capability of that business as well as increases the price to the customer, leading to less product purchased. Look up the term "deadweight loss" for more info. Matter of fact, learn some basic economics before even doing that.
@Ant1Live You're an economic idiot trying to masquerade as an economic intellect. Game over, move on. Your abilities and knowledge are below below par.
@Ant1Live You don't need a degree in economics to know that EGTRRA and JGTRRA were two of the worst economic policies in American history, with total budgetary costs of almost a trillion dollars between 2008 and 2011 alone. Of course, so-called libertarians would have everyone believe that restoring the tax code to pre-EGTRRA and JGTRRA levels somehow equates to being a hindrance to freedom and "job creators" while they sit on record profits? Disgusting.
@Ant1Live You also don't need an economics degree to know this either. If companies didn't have these relaxed free-trade agreements at their disposal to exploit for cheap overseas labor, they wouldn't have any choice but to hire American workers! But since other countries are low-balling the hell out of the American worker, CEO's have got everyone convinced that they're all skittish about taxes. The real truth is that even with 0 taxes (as it is now) they STILL AREN'T HIRING ANYONE!
@Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU You miss the point again. Outsourcing lowers prices and frees up resources for America to produce items and use labor that it has a comparative advantage in. Look up "comparative advantage." Look up anything before spewing nonsense about the economy.
@Ant1Live I'm missing the point? No. You are.→ Every bad economic policy ever passed into law was justified and argued in favor of by someone like you pretending to have all the answers, explaining theories up the wazoo— when in reality, most of it's just a bunch of BULLSHIT designed by greedy bastards FOR greedy bastards. Look up "extractionism vs capitalism" — then pull your head out of the books and look at the world around you for a change. OPEN YOUR EYES.
@Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU That is not a theory, shithead. That is basic economics. Every bad economic policy has been justified by someone like you, who believes in economic policy to begin with. The entire history of mankind has shown that growth and efficient allocation of resources comes ONLY from allowing an open market. For a recent example- look at the world around YOU- note the differences between Hong Kong vs mainland China and North vs South Korea.
@Ant1Live I see it didn't take long for you to resort to insults. But upon closer inspection, it seems that you and I might agree more than we disagree. Unfortunately I may have jumped the gun and assumed you were advocating for this current oligarchical system. If so, I was wrong for assuming. Apologies. And fuck you, you're a shithead too! lol
@Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU Or maybe you can complain about how inexpensive your electronics are? Better yet, you should complain that government policy has made both food and transportation much more expensive than it needs to be.
What now reich wingers, I thought contracts to treasonous "defence contractors" was the only thing you couldn't cut. I guess after all your fuhrers' lies only thing those contracts were good for was murdering Americans.
@charlieapeshit It's really very simple; we spend exorbitant amounts of money on our military, fighting official wars with countries like Afghanistan, and unofficial ones, like with Pakistan, and there's always work when there are "terrorists" to kill. Knowledge is, however, far more hit or miss than say a Tomahawk cruise missile, so up to now, yes, we've most definitely been sustaining ourselves mostly on defense and not education.
@treysparker All jobs are artificial in the way you are using the term. It's not as if additional education jobs would be needless positions created just to buoy the economy. However, I think that much of the defense industry spending is needlessly spent in order to buoy defense sector profits.
@treysparker Education doesn't create unsustainable jobs, for an higher educated population is more productive and produce more advanced items, on top of that so do it make a better electorate for democratic processes so it is a pure investment. USA seem to have taken the other route for success globally and it is the race to the bottom and compete with low life standard countries and third world countries about being the cheapest. Most of europe, Japan south Korea has done the opposite
To play the devil's advocate: 1. It's kinda a false comparison, since tanks, ballistic missiles and jet fighters are more expensive than maintenance of school buildings, a smaller proportion of the budget of the military will go towards salaries than for other public sectors. 2. Creating jobs is not the only reason why these public bodies exist, both are necessary for society function.
What the fuck?! a BILLION dollars for 26000 jobs?? Theres 300MILLION people in our country and were spending a BILLION dollars for 26000 people. Why the fuck dont we just write checks to small business owners?? A fucking BILLION Dollars. Thats 1 Million dollars, 1000 times BTW.
Imagine if your country since 9/11 spent every single cent from war up till now a paying for each of your citizens to go to college or University, Healthcare and funding low income neighborhoods.... Wow just think that you could have truly been one of the greatest countries on earth. A decade of funding knowledge. Oh well let's get some more bombs syria is acting out of order....
So, lets stop all the bullshit about cutting funding for education, its clear, if you want to create jobs, spend more on education. Look at the facts and shut the fuck up.
yes lets spend all our money on education, so that we can hire more teachers, which require more pay and benefits, so that they can teach our children how to be teachers. i love bar graphs and how easy it is to manipulate them to make em look however u want. lets look at ACTUALLY HOW MANY JOBS THE DEFENSE makes, compared to the REST. as you would see. its not even close. and oh most medical advances, and true scientific advances are based on defense spendings. stupid liberals.
THE REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID AND THAT IS NOT A LEGIT ARGUMENT , AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE MILITARY HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A DAMN PRIVATIZATION ZONE FOR THE LIKE OF CHENEY AND HIS ILK
And you're right, military/offense spending doesn't create jobs either. Good job catching the Republicans in their hypocrisy (although the democrats also want to increase military spending... look at Obama's spending here).
All government spending that isn't related to police, real defense (as opposed to offense), and courts just takes money and real jobs out of the economy. I only wish Dems (and even republicans) understood this.
@egervari You're wrong, military and defense spending creates plenty of jobs. It also funds the education of countless young people. Plus, the military offers great job training and creates a much more disciplined worker which is why we are so attractive to employers.
Much of military spending IS education, so TYT has once again created a false dichotomy.
@rfrantzt The chart is about job creators ... not job trainers. So we are looking at everyone who works for the military versus everyone who works in education, and education comes out on top. Or rather, put money into institutions of education, and they will hire more people (faculty/staff) than the military will or can. There are soooo many trained teachers out there (myself included) who can't get jobs because the jobs just ... disappeared.
@rfrantzt Military spending is not education. We spend so much fucking money on military/defense that we blow out the rest of the world. Don't tell me this is all "education". Also don't tell me we actually need this. We don't. Not even close. It is a waste of money and it is actually taking a ton of wealth/resources from the voluntary sector of the economy and is preventing real jobs from being created.
@egervari The Army pays my student loans. Part of military spending is on education. We do need a military. All sectors of our economy are voluntary... I think you meant "private" sector.
@rfrantzt The army doesn't pay your student loans - you can thank the productive members of your country - the taxpayer - for that. All the government did was put a gun to their taxpayer's head and say, "Pay off this person's student loans or go to prison." Wonderful.
I agree we need national defense, but we don't need the Department of Offense, or any of its crazy and insane military and overseas spending. This foreign policy of the US is freaking crazy and immoral.
@egervari Maybe you don't know what the threats are. Perhaps information concerning your military's actions and the threats it faces are not made public to you. Its possible that our free press makes us militarily vulnerable and information released by military officials is carefully crafted to confuse civilians who really don't need to know what is going on. Maybe Barack intended to reduce the military but was made privy to certain information reserved for PRESIDENTS.
1) You bought into the propaganda of your government
2) You think you understand economics but really don't
3) You lack any fundamental understanding of philosophy: i.e. ethics and politics especially
4) There is mountains of evidence that America is the aggressor, occupier and interventionist. They never declare war. They lie to the people constantly about WHY they go to war, regardless of who is the president.
@egervari I'm pretty sure you assume you know people based on a few youtube paragraphs. *yawn*... I have grown bored with you, especially now that you have begun to pull buttumptions out of your ass.
@rfrantzt And I do mean voluntary sector. There is nothing voluntary about government. Government = force. They initiate force all the time. if you think it's voluntary, you've been brainwashed.
@egervari lol... I see. You're one of those people who are more interested in playing semantics than discussing ideas. I volunteered to enlist. I chose to sign a contract.
@rfrantzt That's fine that you did that. What you don't understand is that when government "creates a job", it must force others to pay for it. You don't even begin to ask where government got the money. It never got that money voluntarily, that's for damn sure. Every transaction is done by force. So it is force.
@rfrantzt That's the thing you government employees never get. The money taken from taxpayers is money taken out of the economy that could create jobs for things people actually wanted. The government says all of this crap about "creating jobs", but every action it takes, at best, it can only match the jobs it steals from the private sector. Every time, it creates LESS jobs than what would have been created otherwise. You just don't see it because the jobs never came into existence.
@egervari I hear your tired old "Ron Paul" theories, etc. The military's job is ultimately to secure trade routes and markets for the private sector. Also, there is more than enough money among current millionaires and billionaires to create jobs. They just aren't doing it. Since the American people aren't smart enough to tax the highest income earners, I decided to enlist so that I could take advantage... for real.
@egervari Your theory is not correct. The idea that every job created by the government would, in a no-taxation circumstance, be created by the private sector is a falacy. That's because the public sector and the private sector operate with different logics. Check out websites that discuss "liquidity preference" in order to urderstand better what I'm trying to say.
@MrTeiization I didn't say that though - I think you're implying a position that is actually different than the one I actually hold. If you read down, I said there was a role for police, defense and courts - but that's it. I don't think our "Department of Defense" is really a defense department. Too much of it is military and overseas spending, so that doesn't count. That is most of the budget by leaps and bounds.
@MrTeiization I do think that if there is a market demand for something - whether that's computers, health care, education, toasters, or whatever - that this is the responsibility of the market.
The role of government is to protect our rights to life, liberty and property. That's it. So all you need is police, real defense and courts.
Any other function by government actually harms the economy more than it helps, and this is provable.
@egervari It's poorly provable, actual facts support that "welfare states" have been responsible for huge improvements on the standards of living in great number of countries. Actually, this point of view that the only role that government should play is protecting private propriety is totally ideological.
@MrTeiization When you look America's early history, our standard of living, reduction in poverty, ending of child labour, etc. were all due to capitalism. The wealth this country produced was all due to capitalism. It may never have been pure capitalism, but it was pretty damn close. We haven't had real capitalism in over 100 years. All the recessions and depressions and bubbles were result of the federal reserve and other forms of government interference. Look around the world.
@egervari you do realize the federal reserve is not a part of the government. It is a privately run centralized bank. Its as federal as federal express.
@PyroHaven07 The federal reserve is the next closest thing to a national bank you can get. Do you not understand that the government and the fed work so closely together? Yes, I know they are private. I am not dumb. But they work together.
@MrTeiization You might think countries are prospering due to government intervention, but it's temporary. It all comes to end. Why are so many countries going backrupt? We can't bail them all out. It's impossible. Even countries like Canada are headed for disaster long-term, which I'm sure is one of your examples of a country doing well.
@egervari There are different types of capitalism. In fact, what the deregulations of the last three or so decades have been doing is moving government away from interfering with the economy. Yet bubbles and collapses have been more common e more deep decade after decade. The so called bankruptcy of countries has more to do with an hierarchical structure of the international monetary system than with government spending or deficit (take the example of Spain).
@MrTeiization Deregulations haven't caused the collapses. The fed did, which is basically a government-run bank. It's as national as you can get. They set interest rates to 0%, which encourages mis-allocated investments in the stock market, and then in housing. This is what caused the bubbles. This is why all economies around the world are failing - because they all have the wrong monetary policy. It's not just the United States.
@egervari I agree the Fed had an important role in the crises keeping the interest rate too low. But there's not much to be done about that. The global capitalist system today depends on the low dollar and US imports, on the other hand this things depend, since US manufacturing industry is down in the dumps, on the wealth effect of asset prices.
@MrTeiization There is something to be done about this though - let the people use a debt-free currency - such as a commodity - rather than being forced to use a currency based on monetized dept. Let the people choose their own currency, whether that's gold or silver or whatever.
All of this artificial central economic planning is awful, and completely wrecks how capitalism is supposed to work.
Its offense spending, not defense spending.
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agree on other spending but they invest more than 150k on training a personel to operate the equipments in the military. if u wanna gt out of debt and decrease unemployment rat allow death penalty for convicts who has either 25 to life or has been through prison 2 or more time for at least 4 years for each, the moment they r trialed as guilty for life take em out and shoot em in the face, its fast and cheap, u dont even need to bury them, just feed the body to the dogs or burn it
SlaughterEmAll 2 months ago
@Ant1Live I will add since you are ignorant and stupid: Education lifts people out of poverty.
Stingerbillion 2 months ago
@Stingerbillion Magically, right? If everyone had a degree, everyone could get a job, right? There would be no garbage collectors because garbage would collect itself and everyone can be a doctor or an accountant because there are limitless numbers of jobs for educated people. Right?
Dedication, hard work and independent study lifted me out of poverty. Not some worthless, uberexpensive piece of paper that would have wasted valuable years out of my life to obtain.
Ant1Live 2 months ago
@Ant1Live I wasted valuable years to obtain my degree, and i am making a lot more than average American these days. I also have job security. Just because you don't see the value in education doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If Americans today study & obtain degree in jobs that have more demand and high salary instead of what they like or dislike, the UE number would be a lot lower, high wages, and high standard of living.
Stingerbillion 2 months ago
@Stingerbillion There would be greater debt, less creativity, more unemployment and underemployment and above all LESS LEARNING and LESS PRODUCTIVITY. Schooling is not the same as education. Right now, bachelor's degrees are required for simple office work and the applications are mountains high because college leaves most people poorly suited to deal with job market fluctuation. It is a drain on society to expect people to pay so much to get so little. Autodidact, anyone?
Ant1Live 2 months ago
@Stingerbillion You're talking to a rich kid man, expect him to bash on self-investment that makes people competitive on his level lol.
Bronzecop 1 month ago
@Bronzecop true. lol
Stingerbillion 1 month ago
@Ant1Live that doesnt mean that having education shouldnt give you a better job, now obviously if you work hard you can do it by yourself, but the point here is which one creates more jobs military wich has a gigantic budget, or education wich has a fraction of the budget that the military is recieving.
heavytransit 1 month ago
@heavytransit You and I agree on one thing: having education SHOULD give you a better job. You and I disagree, however, on the definition of "education."
Ant1Live 1 month ago
@Ant1Live actually we agree i think education is the amount of knowlege you have not the degrees you have.
the thing is that i think schools should have a better program and budget so people actually earn knowlege not Diplomas, but you are right i think my comment wasnt very clear, have a good day.
heavytransit 1 month ago
Education not only creates jobs now, it also makes the job creators of the future (the actual job creators, not as a code-work for rich people), and it makes a country and an economy much better in so many ways.
Giving the chance of a good education to everyone is what made the west the superior and richer civilization (really, it's not Jesus), and we are throwing that away.
MastermindX 2 months ago 2
@MastermindX Education and school are not the same thing. As for Jesus, the entire history of this country has been about either entirely ignoring his importance, like you do, or attributing to him words that he never even said, like most people who claim to be "Christian" do.
Ant1Live 2 months ago
By the way, "education" does not CREATE jobs. The market does. Education merely allows certain individuals to sublimate structural unemployment.
Ant1Live 2 months ago
@Ant1Live Education does create jobs for the teachers. Also yeah, allows people to sublimate structural unemployment... by creating new jobs and new markets.
MastermindX 2 months ago
@MastermindX The jobs for teachers are often make-work jobs. That isn't "job creation" since those resources could be used elsewhere if people knew how much of a scam college is for most people. Education doesn't create new markets, research and development does. Research can happen in schools, but it can also happen elsewhere.
Here I use the word "education" losely. In reality, education and schooling are not the same thing.
Ant1Live 2 months ago
@Ant1Live Education does create jobs moron. If you had any, maybe then you will know. Tell that to the software engineer who will innovate computers and new softwares. Tell that to researchers who will find cures for disease. Tell that to engineers who build bridges and buildings. Education creates innovators and entrepreneurs. Best example i can give you are Chinese and Indian people who are highly EDUCATED. Fucking ignorant trolls.
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Stevie68000 2 months ago
Is this a bit deceptive though? A lot of teachers in the US get paid *horrible* wages, so perhaps a fairer deal for them would really knock down the number of jobs per billion dollars.
77Fortran 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
The United States, will never cut military spending. The United States is only relevant in the form of colonialism, for example Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Looking at the history of U.S, hard power, which is military power is the only power the U.S. uses. Just this month the U.S. military will get 662 billion dollars, while the America's economy is in the gutter. Now the U.S. want to war with Iran and Syria. America's military is over extended, their downfall is inevitable.
mrknowledgeispower1 2 months ago
The main reason we saw such prosperity under Clinton was that we weren't funding any wars. Great model to follow, which seemed to be Obama's original plan before the RepubliCrash of 2008 made it necessary to keep people out of the labor market and in the army.
CFinNaples 2 months ago
The question of what spending creates more jobs boils down to which economic activities are more labor-intensive vs. capital-intensive. Education wins... duh. The guns vs butter argument, i.e. what do we give up in order to spend an insane amount on weaponry, is more effective in my opinion.
CFinNaples 2 months ago
country is run by death-worshiping scum that blows 59% of the budget on military spending with no accountability. how many countries fight simultaneous wars with private military contractors and the national army? overkill much?!
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Stevie68000 2 months ago
@tbagged0909 Really? Your comment makes little to no sense. You post *why *their. Without a complete sentence, I'll take you disapprove of my misuse of the letter Y for the word why. And my misuse of THERE for their.
You add very little to the conversation. Yes, your correct and you've mad a funny. But why in the same comment complain about my misuse, then you yourself use LOL and @???
kloveless82 2 months ago
@macchiavelli64 thank you for your insightful comment, it brings a clearer picture of your stance on the video.
As for my unwillingness to correct my spelling while commenting with the use of my phones keypad. I'm ever so happy it brings you a sense of joy.
kloveless82 2 months ago
@xxmoderndayraiderxx agreed. But the ignorant help those in power continue THEIR rain of oppression. Something has to be done.
kloveless82 2 months ago
So, are there any conservatives that wish to argue that spending doesn't increase jobs?
tyrongkojy 2 months ago
not to mention all the other ramifications that result from the education spending.
combatLaCarie 2 months ago
Its sad that we spend more on KILLING foreign people than educating our own. Oh wait Education is low on the totem pole unless its education for teaching how to kill with bombs, guns and nukes....I get it now...
quetzalel 2 months ago 3
@quetzalel What was it that Golda Meier said? "We must learn to love our children more than we hate our enemies."? It seems that the U.S., as a nation, has yet to learn that lesson.
BloatedSensations 2 months ago
@BloatedSensations I totally agree. But the problem is that here in the U.S. children are taught to hate foreigners-look at our attitude towards Mexicans, love their ill-gotten lands, love their food, love their gardening/nanny skills and exploit their farm workers, but GOD forbid some of them are here "illegally" hmmm I wonder how they'd react to Jesus were he alive now-would they ask him for his green card-he is an ILLEGAL afterall...GD hypocrite rePUBICan'ts!!
quetzalel 2 months ago
people should not have opinions when it comes to this type of topics, they should have facts.
SandmanJAAE 2 months ago 3
What the GOP means is: defense spending creates jobs for OUR bosses.
cleanhomer 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks 13
It's like the USA is completely fuck-shit backwards.
Etherouge 2 months ago
Why would they educate the masses?
pythor2 2 months ago
Military Industrial Complex. Eisenhower warned us. We ignored him.
JImmy4336 2 months ago
is this affected by the type of jobs? I don't think a teacher is paid as much as an experimental fighter test pilot.
ConradW 2 months ago
@ConradW : A teacher not being paid as much as a test fighter pilot is not an argument to spend less on education and more on defense. The point is more people are making money at a teacher's salary, and if money is spent on education, you might even assume at a slightly raised teacher's salary, and then you have more consumers. And education doesn't just affect teachers, and I'm sure you're referring to high school teachers, but professors, researchers, and administrators.
OmarAlQaseer 2 months ago
@OmarAlQaseer And of course, not all the investment is used to pay salaries. In military contracts there are other costs which make it less efficient in producing jobs.
ConradW 2 months ago
Why do we call it defense spending? Are we are defending ourselves from innocent Iraqi women and children? Seriously, shouldn't it be called hostile takeover spending?
village1diot 2 months ago 96
@village1diot Offense spending?
FantasmaBAnco 2 months ago
@village1diot straight up 1984. It's not the ministry of war, it's the ministry of peace
xxtintin05xx 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@village1diot we arent over there killing innocent people on purpose. in fact i dont even know what the hell we are doing buts its not that
AdangerousRETARD 2 months ago
@village1diot
You should be asking instead, "are we defending against muslim extremists with sticks and rocks".
They are there for a reason, but there are a lot worse places than Iraq to liberate.
ThebanPhalanx 2 months ago
@village1diot Within a few decades they might have to defend themselves against their angry citizens. Many of us are already pissed and rightly so.
TheCreeperhunter 2 months ago
@village1diot even more regretful is the fact that its really Hostile take over Borrowing..
Frankenfukstein 2 months ago
@village1diot People DO hate america. People ARE attacking us. But yes, we just smashed an ant with the moon.
sk8er4ever0101 2 months ago
@village1diot But then it would be harder to convince the public to give their tax dollars to that kind of spending. It has to have a nice sounding name so that people can feel okay about it.
mrgimp420 2 months ago
@village1diot It's no longer the "defense budget," it's the "imperalism budget".
FuryFlurry1 2 months ago
It's okay, I'm sure that this report can be dismissed as those "libe-AL" academics faking stuff to make sure they get their big fat government payday. Oh, it's peer-reviewed? IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
Is anyone really surprised that the data is the exact opposite of the garbage the talking heads are selectively feeding their voter base? "Yeah! Defense "spending" creates jobs and keeps 'Merica strong (and my donors rich)! 4 'Merica! Education is evil!" These people are pathetic.
leptonsoup337 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
But does education spending create wars? No it doesn't...so huge profits are lost right there :D
SturmMedik 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@SturmMedik no because you see defence spending *prevents* wars. Just like how the next biggest armies have been in so many wars recently, like the French, Germans, Japanese and Chinese. Smaller budget means more wars. /irony.
ConradW 2 months ago
@ConradW : What recent wars have the French, Germans, Japanese, or Chinese been in? Are you talking about Libya? That was a NATO effort and the US participated in that as well. Are you talking about Tibet? Well that's China's internal issue and the result of China's policies in Tibet and the fact that China isn't really a democracy.
OmarAlQaseer 2 months ago
@OmarAlQaseer Invade and annex a foreign country and it suddenly becomes an internal issue!
Hairysteed 2 months ago
@SturmMedik What? Wars kill people, and there for, it takes away their jobs, so for every soldier killed, thats one job down, in education, unless some crazy idiot goes on a rampage, that does not happen.
cattacer 2 months ago
@OldSchoolSkill I'm reminded of the Swedish chemist and engineer, Alfred Nobel, who invented dynamite for the sake of industry and was subsequently branded at least by some as "the merchant of death," as we all now know what dynamite can also be used for. He was so sickened by this fact that he changed his will, thus creating the beginnings of the Nobel Prize we know today. Shame he didn't live to see 1945; he might have died a little less ashamed of his contributions to warfare.
JustJoey23 2 months ago
Ron Paul 2012!!!!
armadilo8a 2 months ago
The rich don't want educated consumers, because they don't want to be questioned.
erikbateson 2 months ago
1:09 What horrible spelling... (otherwise a great video)
Tetraglot 2 months ago 16
@Tetraglot they got one letter wrong, it's not that horrible.
Cuddlebunzzzz 2 months ago
@Tetraglot Massachusetts, but well we have presidents that make up words and misspeak all the time..so i guess its okay...
quetzalel 2 months ago
Amazing republicans and pretty much some people haven't paid close attention in Political science class. The spending budget on education is super small.. So how the hell can that be too expensive to spend on and cut? That's what doesn't make sense period.
Mika20 2 months ago
congress has just spent $668 Billion dollars on the military 2012 budget!....fuck out government!
whatsgoingon07 2 months ago
I'm not denouncing this study, but the numbers may be a bit skewed for some underlying reasons. For example, defense spending creates fewer jobs, but many of those are probably very high-paying jobs, and since teachers get paid way less, more jobs are created from the same amount of money. But yes, it is still inconsistent for republicans to reject stimulus spending but then try to justify defense spending for the purpose of stimulating the economy.
13lackLight 2 months ago
Fixing education would fix countless of problems in our country! Why can't politicians figure that out?!
GrayFox1203 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
@GrayFox1203 Are you saying majority of politicians genuinely care about the greater good of society and not about who is gives them the most campaign contributions, or a pay check after retirement?
DimmedDiamond 2 months ago
@GrayFox1203 They know that.. they just don't want to.. People ignorance is what's keeping them on top
HDVi118 2 months ago
The problem is, if everyone furthered their education we would simply end up with alot of over educated people who end up working laborer jobs anyway. There isn't enough jobs out there that require a degree.
Polydynamix 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Polydynamix not necessarily true, but true if you assume a zero sum. The actual problem is not what we spend money on, but how we spend money in those fields. I have a liberal arts degree, which means I am part of the problem, except I didn't use student loans to pay for my degree, so at least i am not a part of the government end of the problem. Science degrees on the other hand actually create more jobs while filling vacant positions. Science education is, I think, the key to many issues.
IsaacScharp 2 months ago
@IsaacScharp I am an example to the contrary of that. I have a bachelors of science but you know what I do for a living... I work at a museum putting color back into black and white pictures. Not exactly science, more art. Needed a degree to get the job, but use none of it while at work.
Polydynamix 2 months ago
@Polydynamix aren't not isn't...
quetzalel 2 months ago
Cenk, I want to nominate you for President.
maggosh 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
They want to cut education because the American people needs to be clueless by watching reality TV,eating Fast food,and listening to Lady Gaga or T.I.
98bigbutt 2 months ago
Many reich wing morons think that eliminating the public education system entirely would be a great idea.
PompousPreacher 2 months ago
@PompousPreacher yes it called the 10th amendment. its up to the states. not the federal government.
nintendude60 2 months ago
where can we download this chart?
Zeldagigafan90210 2 months ago
@Zeldagigafan90210 Can't download it, but the chart is in the description link.
KingArthur13th 2 months ago
ron paul
hash1212121212 2 months ago
This is great story and a great video, when you focus on the facts, but I think you're getting a little snarky Cenk, and saying that they are Dead Wrong, you even admitted that their viewpoint can make sense, but your playing around with words bro. You are starting to sound like those other news programs with an agenda. I missed it when your agenda was just to report the news fairly.
PaulMeixnerFilms 2 months ago
now we have a generation that is dumber than shit. . . im learning mandarin :/
bakedpootetoo 2 months ago
The military creates jobs directly AND indirectly!
Directly- We hire professional murderers to kill brown people in the Middle East!
Indirectly- When the professional murderers die, DING! a new hole in the ground to fill! And also... another replacement needed in the Middle East!
Republicans: Creating jobs... one casualty at a time.
MonsieurJackAss 2 months ago
Education > Health care > Clean Energy > Tax cuts > Military spending.
The irony in this is that the methods which create the LEAST jobs are always advocated by the Republicans, all the while they want to cut the first three to the bone.
Saaduk92 2 months ago
@Saaduk92 In truth military spending could produce more jobs if it weren't for the ridiculous profits made by military contractors (not the workers, the owners and stockholders), it's just another way for the rich to funnel money out of the treasury. Often there isn't any competitive bidding for govt contracts and when there is the price we pay is nearly always many times the cost of the product we're buying.
senortonyful 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Saaduk92 the irony is that you fail to understand its the exact opposite. you see per billion dollars its that way, but overall its the complete opposite. so again. please learn to listen to alll the details before making a stupid assumption.
nintendude60 2 months ago
@nintendude60
The additional irony is your embarrassing assumption that I wasn't aware of this. The reason the jobs weren't compared on an overall basis was because total funding varies wildly and wouldn't show how well each industry does per dollar.
Saaduk92 2 months ago
@Saaduk92 the true irony is that the united states gives out totals every year. you can look it up. so no it doesnt vary wildy, and of course education is going to be better per dollar. its something that you dont have to waste. like in tanks you have to get rid of so much metal and etc. thats a lot of wasted money. man hours etc. quit being stupid and understand what actually goes on.
nintendude60 2 months ago
@nintendude60
Indeed it does. Spending on the Military is in the region of 800bn now, whereas spending on green energy is about 1.5bn.
Yes, yes it does vary wildly. That's why they compared it on a per-dollar basis. I love the irony in you calling me stupid, too.
Saaduk92 2 months ago
@Saaduk92 it doesnt vary wildy. its known facts. and yes that stuff may make more jobs per amount spent, but at the same time. you cant have 300 million teachers can u? exaggeration of course, but you see there is a limit. in defense spending there is no limit. only innovation.
nintendude60 2 months ago
@nintendude60
How is a spending comparison of 1.5bn and 800bn NOT varying wildly? Your logic is non-existent.
Saaduk92 2 months ago
@Saaduk92 varying would imply that every year its diffeerent its really not. like saying i make 300k and u make 200k and thats varying wildly? no? just what we make?
nintendude60 2 months ago
@nintendude60
I didn't state that. I stated variation amongst spending in different areas.
Saaduk92 2 months ago
Hello! The military was never intended to create jobs! So this accurate and true stat Cenk is telling us is a moot point. Our military was created to protect us from invading forces, nothing more, it was never intended to be partners with foreign entities or private corporations.
I agree with Cenk, my point just being the military is not suppose to create jobs or tax revenue, it's suppose to PROTECT US.
It will be a great day when the military has to hold a bake sale to pay for their bombs.
TheUSMetalhead 2 months ago
You guys have spelling issues on your graphics there.
vikingaprinsessan 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I don't know..There is always a job opening at the front.
army2k08 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
Cenk, if you did the graph based on "trickle-up-economics" (= "how much of the government money will end up at CEO´s and at the 1%"), it would pretty much EXACTLY be the other way around: Education: Totally un-appealing to the rich. How much is there in the 1% on that? Almost nothing. Yet THE MILITARY? - With all these MASSIVELY over-priced products and services, CEO´s, and Republican donors in general make A FORTUNE on that.
Of cooooooourse. ;D
taxiuniversum 2 months ago
Tax cuts don't factor into small business hiring decisions nearly at all, while tax cuts for the poor and middle class provide additional revenue for the small businesses.
AntoniusFractus 2 months ago
@AntoniusFractus It is a basic fact of economics that it doesn't matter who you collect the tax from as much as what the tax is put on. You can "tax a business," that is, collect taxes from them, but it ultimately hurts both the production capability of that business as well as increases the price to the customer, leading to less product purchased. Look up the term "deadweight loss" for more info. Matter of fact, learn some basic economics before even doing that.
Ant1Live 2 months ago
@Ant1Live You're an economic idiot trying to masquerade as an economic intellect. Game over, move on. Your abilities and knowledge are below below par.
TheUSMetalhead 2 months ago
@TheUSMetalhead Have you read any basic economics text? Have you ever read Hayek?
Ant1Live 2 months ago
@Ant1Live You don't need a degree in economics to know that EGTRRA and JGTRRA were two of the worst economic policies in American history, with total budgetary costs of almost a trillion dollars between 2008 and 2011 alone. Of course, so-called libertarians would have everyone believe that restoring the tax code to pre-EGTRRA and JGTRRA levels somehow equates to being a hindrance to freedom and "job creators" while they sit on record profits? Disgusting.
Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU 2 months ago
@Ant1Live You also don't need an economics degree to know this either. If companies didn't have these relaxed free-trade agreements at their disposal to exploit for cheap overseas labor, they wouldn't have any choice but to hire American workers! But since other countries are low-balling the hell out of the American worker, CEO's have got everyone convinced that they're all skittish about taxes. The real truth is that even with 0 taxes (as it is now) they STILL AREN'T HIRING ANYONE!
Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU 2 months ago
@Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU You miss the point again. Outsourcing lowers prices and frees up resources for America to produce items and use labor that it has a comparative advantage in. Look up "comparative advantage." Look up anything before spewing nonsense about the economy.
Ant1Live 2 months ago
@Ant1Live I'm missing the point? No. You are.→ Every bad economic policy ever passed into law was justified and argued in favor of by someone like you pretending to have all the answers, explaining theories up the wazoo— when in reality, most of it's just a bunch of BULLSHIT designed by greedy bastards FOR greedy bastards. Look up "extractionism vs capitalism" — then pull your head out of the books and look at the world around you for a change. OPEN YOUR EYES.
Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU 2 months ago
@Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU That is not a theory, shithead. That is basic economics. Every bad economic policy has been justified by someone like you, who believes in economic policy to begin with. The entire history of mankind has shown that growth and efficient allocation of resources comes ONLY from allowing an open market. For a recent example- look at the world around YOU- note the differences between Hong Kong vs mainland China and North vs South Korea.
Ant1Live 2 months ago
@Ant1Live I see it didn't take long for you to resort to insults. But upon closer inspection, it seems that you and I might agree more than we disagree. Unfortunately I may have jumped the gun and assumed you were advocating for this current oligarchical system. If so, I was wrong for assuming. Apologies. And fuck you, you're a shithead too! lol
Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU 2 months ago
@Try2MakeSenseOrSTFU Or maybe you can complain about how inexpensive your electronics are? Better yet, you should complain that government policy has made both food and transportation much more expensive than it needs to be.
Ant1Live 2 months ago
What now reich wingers, I thought contracts to treasonous "defence contractors" was the only thing you couldn't cut. I guess after all your fuhrers' lies only thing those contracts were good for was murdering Americans.
pistolpete1st 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
the military isnt a real job
Ioganstone 2 months ago
Y would the rich want educated consumers. They might ask questions or even stand up to them challenging there way of life.
kloveless82 2 months ago 85
@kloveless82 *why *their
lol @ education system
Tbagged0909 2 months ago
@kloveless82 Luckily for them, they clearly do not have to worry about your (lack of) education. Holy English 101, Batman.
macchiavelli64 2 months ago
@kloveless82 its medieval over again without the hard living but still same in small but many ways
XxModernDayRaiderxX 2 months ago
Cenk doesnt understand. It creates unsustainable jobs.
Artificial stimulation creates artificial jobs.
And keep in mind, they're not jobs that grow the economy.
Cenk has to wake the fuck up.
treysparker 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@treysparker How are the defense jobs sustainable and the education jobs not? Curious as I dont know much about any of this.
charlieapeshit 2 months ago 40
since there is always need for defense. education is based on demand for teachers which based on population.
hint0122 2 months ago
@charlieapeshit It's really very simple; we spend exorbitant amounts of money on our military, fighting official wars with countries like Afghanistan, and unofficial ones, like with Pakistan, and there's always work when there are "terrorists" to kill. Knowledge is, however, far more hit or miss than say a Tomahawk cruise missile, so up to now, yes, we've most definitely been sustaining ourselves mostly on defense and not education.
JustJoey23 2 months ago
@treysparker Just what the hell are you babbling about?
publicatdamagnificen 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@treysparker Explain.
xensor 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@treysparker All jobs are artificial in the way you are using the term. It's not as if additional education jobs would be needless positions created just to buoy the economy. However, I think that much of the defense industry spending is needlessly spent in order to buoy defense sector profits.
AntoniusFractus 2 months ago
@treysparker Education doesn't create unsustainable jobs, for an higher educated population is more productive and produce more advanced items, on top of that so do it make a better electorate for democratic processes so it is a pure investment. USA seem to have taken the other route for success globally and it is the race to the bottom and compete with low life standard countries and third world countries about being the cheapest. Most of europe, Japan south Korea has done the opposite
Gripen1974 2 months ago
We don't want education in America! We want tax cuts!
HomleandSecurity 2 months ago
@HomleandSecurity gawd I hope your kidding..
DaKuteCate 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@DaKuteCate No, I'm not. We need tax relief. We need to shut down the Department of Education. We need to keep the poor dumb.
HomleandSecurity 2 months ago
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DaKuteCate 2 months ago
@HomleandSecurity hahahaha good joke :D I thought someone was actually beyond retarded and hit functionally brain damaged.
DaKuteCate 2 months ago
@HomleandSecurity You're a boring person.
TheUSMetalhead 2 months ago
@TheUSMetalhead Is that why you've been replying to me and sending me 5 private messages every day for the past year?
HomleandSecurity 2 months ago
To play the devil's advocate: 1. It's kinda a false comparison, since tanks, ballistic missiles and jet fighters are more expensive than maintenance of school buildings, a smaller proportion of the budget of the military will go towards salaries than for other public sectors. 2. Creating jobs is not the only reason why these public bodies exist, both are necessary for society function.
prophetchannel 2 months ago
What the fuck?! a BILLION dollars for 26000 jobs?? Theres 300MILLION people in our country and were spending a BILLION dollars for 26000 people. Why the fuck dont we just write checks to small business owners?? A fucking BILLION Dollars. Thats 1 Million dollars, 1000 times BTW.
brokenbeekerman 2 months ago
Imagine if your country since 9/11 spent every single cent from war up till now a paying for each of your citizens to go to college or University, Healthcare and funding low income neighborhoods.... Wow just think that you could have truly been one of the greatest countries on earth. A decade of funding knowledge. Oh well let's get some more bombs syria is acting out of order....
fredguy2 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
So, lets stop all the bullshit about cutting funding for education, its clear, if you want to create jobs, spend more on education. Look at the facts and shut the fuck up.
Occupyman 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
yes lets spend all our money on education, so that we can hire more teachers, which require more pay and benefits, so that they can teach our children how to be teachers. i love bar graphs and how easy it is to manipulate them to make em look however u want. lets look at ACTUALLY HOW MANY JOBS THE DEFENSE makes, compared to the REST. as you would see. its not even close. and oh most medical advances, and true scientific advances are based on defense spendings. stupid liberals.
nintendude60 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I'll agree that spending money on defiance will not create many jobs. but we need defiance or else we'll all be dead.
fte26 2 months ago
THE REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID AND THAT IS NOT A LEGIT ARGUMENT , AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE MILITARY HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A DAMN PRIVATIZATION ZONE FOR THE LIKE OF CHENEY AND HIS ILK
NEXUS1A 2 months ago
And you're right, military/offense spending doesn't create jobs either. Good job catching the Republicans in their hypocrisy (although the democrats also want to increase military spending... look at Obama's spending here).
All government spending that isn't related to police, real defense (as opposed to offense), and courts just takes money and real jobs out of the economy. I only wish Dems (and even republicans) understood this.
egervari 2 months ago
@egervari You're wrong, military and defense spending creates plenty of jobs. It also funds the education of countless young people. Plus, the military offers great job training and creates a much more disciplined worker which is why we are so attractive to employers.
Much of military spending IS education, so TYT has once again created a false dichotomy.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
@rfrantzt The chart is about job creators ... not job trainers. So we are looking at everyone who works for the military versus everyone who works in education, and education comes out on top. Or rather, put money into institutions of education, and they will hire more people (faculty/staff) than the military will or can. There are soooo many trained teachers out there (myself included) who can't get jobs because the jobs just ... disappeared.
ArtemisMS 2 months ago
@rfrantzt Military spending is not education. We spend so much fucking money on military/defense that we blow out the rest of the world. Don't tell me this is all "education". Also don't tell me we actually need this. We don't. Not even close. It is a waste of money and it is actually taking a ton of wealth/resources from the voluntary sector of the economy and is preventing real jobs from being created.
egervari 2 months ago
@egervari The Army pays my student loans. Part of military spending is on education. We do need a military. All sectors of our economy are voluntary... I think you meant "private" sector.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
@rfrantzt The army doesn't pay your student loans - you can thank the productive members of your country - the taxpayer - for that. All the government did was put a gun to their taxpayer's head and say, "Pay off this person's student loans or go to prison." Wonderful.
I agree we need national defense, but we don't need the Department of Offense, or any of its crazy and insane military and overseas spending. This foreign policy of the US is freaking crazy and immoral.
egervari 2 months ago
@egervari Maybe you don't know what the threats are. Perhaps information concerning your military's actions and the threats it faces are not made public to you. Its possible that our free press makes us militarily vulnerable and information released by military officials is carefully crafted to confuse civilians who really don't need to know what is going on. Maybe Barack intended to reduce the military but was made privy to certain information reserved for PRESIDENTS.
Maybe you have no idea.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
@rfrantzt I'm pretty sure of a few things
1) You bought into the propaganda of your government
2) You think you understand economics but really don't
3) You lack any fundamental understanding of philosophy: i.e. ethics and politics especially
4) There is mountains of evidence that America is the aggressor, occupier and interventionist. They never declare war. They lie to the people constantly about WHY they go to war, regardless of who is the president.
Wake up!
egervari 2 months ago
@egervari I'm pretty sure you assume you know people based on a few youtube paragraphs. *yawn*... I have grown bored with you, especially now that you have begun to pull buttumptions out of your ass.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
@egervari ... and you're right. Tax-payers fund government jobs. I thank you for your support.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
@rfrantzt We don't fund them voluntarily. It's against my consent, that is for damn sure. I don't consent.
egervari 2 months ago
@egervari lol... oh well, sux to be you.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
@rfrantzt And I do mean voluntary sector. There is nothing voluntary about government. Government = force. They initiate force all the time. if you think it's voluntary, you've been brainwashed.
egervari 2 months ago
@egervari lol... I see. You're one of those people who are more interested in playing semantics than discussing ideas. I volunteered to enlist. I chose to sign a contract.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
@rfrantzt That's fine that you did that. What you don't understand is that when government "creates a job", it must force others to pay for it. You don't even begin to ask where government got the money. It never got that money voluntarily, that's for damn sure. Every transaction is done by force. So it is force.
egervari 2 months ago
@rfrantzt That's the thing you government employees never get. The money taken from taxpayers is money taken out of the economy that could create jobs for things people actually wanted. The government says all of this crap about "creating jobs", but every action it takes, at best, it can only match the jobs it steals from the private sector. Every time, it creates LESS jobs than what would have been created otherwise. You just don't see it because the jobs never came into existence.
egervari 2 months ago
@egervari I hear your tired old "Ron Paul" theories, etc. The military's job is ultimately to secure trade routes and markets for the private sector. Also, there is more than enough money among current millionaires and billionaires to create jobs. They just aren't doing it. Since the American people aren't smart enough to tax the highest income earners, I decided to enlist so that I could take advantage... for real.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
@egervari Your theory is not correct. The idea that every job created by the government would, in a no-taxation circumstance, be created by the private sector is a falacy. That's because the public sector and the private sector operate with different logics. Check out websites that discuss "liquidity preference" in order to urderstand better what I'm trying to say.
MrTeiization 2 months ago
@MrTeiization I didn't say that though - I think you're implying a position that is actually different than the one I actually hold. If you read down, I said there was a role for police, defense and courts - but that's it. I don't think our "Department of Defense" is really a defense department. Too much of it is military and overseas spending, so that doesn't count. That is most of the budget by leaps and bounds.
egervari 2 months ago
@MrTeiization I do think that if there is a market demand for something - whether that's computers, health care, education, toasters, or whatever - that this is the responsibility of the market.
The role of government is to protect our rights to life, liberty and property. That's it. So all you need is police, real defense and courts.
Any other function by government actually harms the economy more than it helps, and this is provable.
egervari 2 months ago
@egervari It's poorly provable, actual facts support that "welfare states" have been responsible for huge improvements on the standards of living in great number of countries. Actually, this point of view that the only role that government should play is protecting private propriety is totally ideological.
MrTeiization 2 months ago
@MrTeiization When you look America's early history, our standard of living, reduction in poverty, ending of child labour, etc. were all due to capitalism. The wealth this country produced was all due to capitalism. It may never have been pure capitalism, but it was pretty damn close. We haven't had real capitalism in over 100 years. All the recessions and depressions and bubbles were result of the federal reserve and other forms of government interference. Look around the world.
egervari 2 months ago
@egervari you do realize the federal reserve is not a part of the government. It is a privately run centralized bank. Its as federal as federal express.
PyroHaven07 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@PyroHaven07 The federal reserve is the next closest thing to a national bank you can get. Do you not understand that the government and the fed work so closely together? Yes, I know they are private. I am not dumb. But they work together.
egervari 2 months ago
@MrTeiization You might think countries are prospering due to government intervention, but it's temporary. It all comes to end. Why are so many countries going backrupt? We can't bail them all out. It's impossible. Even countries like Canada are headed for disaster long-term, which I'm sure is one of your examples of a country doing well.
egervari 2 months ago
@egervari There are different types of capitalism. In fact, what the deregulations of the last three or so decades have been doing is moving government away from interfering with the economy. Yet bubbles and collapses have been more common e more deep decade after decade. The so called bankruptcy of countries has more to do with an hierarchical structure of the international monetary system than with government spending or deficit (take the example of Spain).
MrTeiization 2 months ago
@MrTeiization Deregulations haven't caused the collapses. The fed did, which is basically a government-run bank. It's as national as you can get. They set interest rates to 0%, which encourages mis-allocated investments in the stock market, and then in housing. This is what caused the bubbles. This is why all economies around the world are failing - because they all have the wrong monetary policy. It's not just the United States.
egervari 2 months ago
@egervari I agree the Fed had an important role in the crises keeping the interest rate too low. But there's not much to be done about that. The global capitalist system today depends on the low dollar and US imports, on the other hand this things depend, since US manufacturing industry is down in the dumps, on the wealth effect of asset prices.
MrTeiization 2 months ago
@MrTeiization There is something to be done about this though - let the people use a debt-free currency - such as a commodity - rather than being forced to use a currency based on monetized dept. Let the people choose their own currency, whether that's gold or silver or whatever.
All of this artificial central economic planning is awful, and completely wrecks how capitalism is supposed to work.
egervari 2 months ago