3SGE Dyno run

[nelzxws]

thats a nice engine there homeboy

[MidMounted]

hey mate nice vid, sound is phenomenal. I'm contemplating whether i should rebuild or swap for the beams. can i rebuild it to be cheaper than the beams but outputing the same power?

[shaneAE86gts]

I like cheese

[magic8paul]

those quads are fucken froth

[jsaulgodoy]

disapointed.....a 5sfe block with 3s head on throttles should be pushing hell of alot more then that much power and should at least rev to 8k...

[alexoprel]

cool engine to turbo :)

[linrok]

@alexoprel

It is not the better idea to go for to turbo a 11.5:1 engine... Something will break. The compression ratio is a lot higher that stock one and you would add more air (and more pressure, postivie pressure) into the chamber with a turbo.

[alexoprel]

uhm ok? dude im a car mechanic...... dont tell me whatsup lol

:)

[SLAiNTRAX]

@linrok the 3S engine also came turbo from the factory.

[linrok]

@SLAiNTRAX

Yeah, you are right. The 3S-GTE is a very interesting/powerful engine. It came in Celica, MR2, Caldina, etc... There is another 3S-GE tuned (or made, I am not sure) by BEAMS that produce ~200bhp in N/A configuration.

[SLAiNTRAX]

@linrok Yeah, and it costs an arm and a leg ;)

[ezgar714]

only 180 rwhp with all those mods? damn, you should have bought a honda engine. b18c5 FTW!

[WhosYoDaddy3456]

@ezgar714 ANY honda besides the ones done RIGHT by smart people, are LOUD, SLOW and extremely fucking annoying, you run 12 seconds on a honda FULLY stripped of everything and it running race fuel, give me a fucking break here. Maybe when your honda runs 10's on 91 with the interior in tact then go brag about some shit.

[marth21]

@WhosYoDaddy3456 lol hondas do run 10s fully gutted lol as a matter of fact if you put a k20a in a crx it will probably run high 11's dont hate on hondas cause you think your fast in your moms buick

[kilghost1]

@marth21 man im tired of people talkin shit bout hondas i traded an all moter frankenstien swapped eg with full interior that ran a 10.445 @136.2 in the quarter for an 03 cobra...love the stang but cant wait to build another eg.people need to quit hatin all the little hondas i give respect where respect is due regaurdless of make or model

[marth21]

@kilghost1 well said bro keep it up

[LeanderB91]

what a sweet sound :D

[netmatrix75]

Is it possible the 20V throttle bodies restricting the power output?

[sanmanuelyamaha]

Why do all of these mods only for a 180 rwhp?

[Feijoada1]

@sanmanuelyamaha Not built for straight line max speed but for turns, drifts n handlin.Too much power and u crash

[xxnissansilviaxx]

wat is this out of?

[toyoda4life]

@xxnissansilviaxx The motor is factory in the AE86. its a 4A, not a 3S. And the ITB's are off of a AE111 Toyota Trueno. The motor code is 4A-GELU.

[Xceldyne]

@toyoda4life Fucken Douche

[cantfindasn117]

your mod list seems less than optimal

you have a n/a 2.2 stroker with flow mods and a 10.5:1 compression ratio?

you make max power at 6400 rpm with top end work?

and you say you have a custome intake manifold with itb's with air horns...

something dont add up here

also 180hp seems very low for the amount of work in the motor

[Xceldyne]

@cantfindasn117 WOW so much negativity all of sudden !!!

Ok compression ratio was 10.5:1 but is now 11.5:1 Probably should have BS

on that and said it was 13:1 but was just being Honest.

Yes max HP is @ 6400RPM. Im sure when i can get it making power to 8500RPM i suspect it may increase

Yes it is a CUSTOM MANIFOLD with 20v quad throttle bodies adapted to it.

What doesn't add up is that IT WAS THE FIRST DYNO RUN FARK

Exhaust was to small !!!! Throttle bodies were to small !!!!

[nickernosher]

@Xceldyne it is not making the hp its should... not being negative but its your cash.. 20v throttles suit a 1.6-2.0 motor, you have increased displacement.. thus more flow.. headwork and cams more flow.. .. thermal effiency, menchanical efifiency and VOLUMETRIC EFFICIANCY.. the only way to make power... bin your cams man.... somtin tells me you bought the cams before you got all the flow work done.... shit if he was as good as the figures say ??? good flow man will tell you what cams.. FACT

[bboyrenzo]

@Xceldyne Who let the bean counter in?

[Toobish]

@Xceldyne what i find funny is the fact you need to defend yourself, the engine builder, to a random crackpot.

It looks good, it sounds good and i bet it goes like stink.

Please keep us informed of any new mods, i love it.

[gokartmaster123]

@cantfindasn117 Retard he said 180rwhp.. You loose alot of horsepower at the wheels.. and if he has bigger wheels then factory he will loose even more hp and thats not that bad for N/A.. Even though i could get way more horsepower out of a sr20 its and okay engine...

[ae861994]

how can i get itbs for my 3sge i cant find any...

[ae861994]

how can i get itbs for my 3sge i cant find any...

[S13Freak]

sounds as good or better than a 4age, your vid totally changed my idea of building a 4age, 3sge ftw!

[tanhauserr]

cool, but whats the torque band look like?

[SRdrummer]

sounds nice!

[Xceldyne]

@SRdrummer Hopefully tell you all about it in the near future

[SRdrummer]

@Xceldyne tell me about what? lol

[Xceldyne]

@SRdrummer He wrong reply. Was meant for tanhauserr question sorry.

[dog009988]

@Xceldyne what type is the car?? ae86 or 180?? what do you think the best engine is 4 SGE or 3 SGE?

[toyoda4life]

@dog009988 Why do you space the number from the series letter? lol; im just fuckin with you. :)

[Reuterskiold]

wait.... only 180 out of a 3sge???? wtf??? I'm trying to build a 4ag to make 200 4 my 86.......... I was figuring on blue top bottom end w/ b16 pistons, red top head, pnp 3 angle valve job, mild cam, and a lil more and I figure it'd be around where you're at...... and for less money....

but actually...how much torque u make???

[abreu1323]

what tranny u using for the 3sgte?

[Cordius]

How are you fitting these odd quads on there? Did you get an adapter plate machined or something?

[Xceldyne]

Full fabricated custom intake manifold with Blacktop 46mm 20v throttlebodies.

Now running custom fit 6 cyl BMW 50mm quade throttle bodies.  Lots more upgrades and will be engine dyno'd in the very near furture

[dog009988]

@Xceldyne ops i ment 4AGE lol srry

[boricuaguy18]

idk why you guys keep saying its a beams. the beams motor ran coil on plugs, this motor doesnt have that. on top of that, the beams motors have distinctive shape valve cover to accommodate the dual vvti. the 3sge just has rectangular ones.

[KanaguiGoth]

hahahaha

a BEAMS its a BEAMS they're well tunned from factory

your 3SGE is making 180rwhp, so that it means is making over 220hp, right¿

I love what you done, its awesome! NA is always a good alternative to the turbo

just one thing.. you have an awesome job on the head port but, 10.5 CR aren't too low to all that flow¿

if you have a lightweight flywheel and 2.2 stroker its cause you'll use it to Drag race, right¿

that engine easily can handle 13 CR

:)

50mm BMW's

=O

[mmoore0804]

i wanna do this same kind of 3sge build in my mr2 with a beams red top engine, but with the huge list of parts u got there how r u only getting 180 hp? the beams 3sge motor stock makes 200. whats going on?

[Xceldyne]

First dyno run. Lots changed since then and will be tuned on engine dyno soon with a much better computer, t/b upgrade & exhaust.

Stay tuned will be more info in the near future which may interest you.

[Xceldyne]

They were Blacktop 46mm quads but now running 50mm BMW quad setup

[d8vyr]

very nice, what t/b`s are you running

[7MPower]

Good to see someone's putting a lot of time and money in a 3S-GE instead of just swapping a 3S-GTE.

I love NA!!

[flip3d]

what a unique setup...

[marquis0r]

DER 3SGE GEHT AB WIE DIE PEST!!!!!!

[drbos]

damn... whats the redline on that?

[arbpotatoes]

I doubt it's still whatever it was from the factory

[OMGRX7]

VERY NICE MAN HI 5

[rednecksinspace]

I'm loving the ITBs and the exposed timing gear.

[mmoore0804]

I was thinking about buying a beams red top and compleatly rebuilding it. all new internals, ITB's and high flow header, all that good stuff but definatly no turbo. i want a track car not a drag or drift car.

[mmoore0804]

how hard is it to tune the ITB's in just right and is it worth the money? i was thinking about doing the same type of rebuild for my mr2.

[Xceldyne]

Lots of time spent custom making stuff to keep the price down. If you cant do that it will cost a fortune

Not hard at all to tune ITB'S its the Big cams ported head thats hard to get right. You need a quality NA designed computer to adjust everything from 0 to 100% throttle and someone who knows how to

[yougotjack]

what tranny are you using in the ae with this 3sge?

[snapywrist]

try your own food once in a while you learn something new

[xcelicagtsx]

i think i just came.

[rj1031]

Nice Set-up! In all honesty, with all the parts listed, I was expecting to see at least 200 whp. I remember when I used to have my RSX with major bolt-ons made 250+ fwhp.

I used to have an AE92 4dr with silver top and TEC-II years ago and I was discouraged when integras w/V-tecs just cruise by me every single time when we race. That was the reason why I went and decided to get a RSX type-S, which was my first honda powered car...no regrets then...

[gixxer450]

sure if u r just about drag racing.

[rj1031]

My RSX was a fun car at the track as well. Beating porsches at one POC event at streets of willow. Custom penskes and good wheel (Enkie RPF1) and tire (RA1s) makes an amazing package! IMO, Honda makes better OEM head design than Toyota.

[Xceldyne]

Project is on hold atm which is disappointing. This dyno run was its first and we have made alot more gains through exhaust system. Unfortunately it is in need of a fully adjustable computer package I.E Motec or Autronic to get any serious potential out of it.

[DoriFord]

hmm.. did you count the wave dynamics for the intake and exhaust to the same revolutions?

[jeremyjts]

You're on US dynos which read significantly higher than dynos here in Aus like the one this car is on. If this run was done on a dynapack/mustang dyno it may very well have pumped out over 200whp. If i'm memory serves right it's about a 25% difference between an Australian Dyno Dynamics reading and a Mustang dyno, meaning it would have read 225whp on a Mustang.

[seany2323]

Hi there, I have a 3S-FE, major diff between the two, FE was for economy and GE for performance.

Ive read around and many think its a "no point mod" to put a GE head on a FE block, many recommend a 3S-GTE conversion 8(

I just want my 3S-FE to perform better, with minimal cost. ie CAI, exhaust etc.

Except i dont think its possible to fit a POD filter on a Gen 1 3S-GE/FE due to throttle sensor rubbish.

Any Pointers people would be appreciated.

[34SkiLLz14Luck]

i thought they had the same block different head. 4A-GE the 4A = block, do more research the the 3S series engine im 90% sure 3S = block.

[roman3s]

Nice engine, sounds great.

I've got an odd question for you, what sort of engine mounts are you using? I have an airbox around my quads setup, and am worried that it's gonna hit the bonnet/brake booster/etc if it moves around too much... Using standard 2S rubber engine mounts, wondering if I'll perhaps need something stiffer.

[beatshack]

cool i like to see an N/A build up once in a while.

[Timpleya]

How much rpm? 11,000?

[justinl33]

I'm looking at converting my AE86 to 3SGE. Which car was your 3SGE removed from, what transmission are you using and where did you get the quads? I need every help possible :)

Many thanks in advance

[Xceldyne]

its from sw20 mr2 gen2engine i as far as i know and the gearbox is a steel case w58 or 54 5speed celica box. Quads are Blacktop 20 valve with custom made manifold

[eternalegacy]

nice

i wonder if i can take my 3sge motor

from the 86celica gts to this level

[samkaos]

They are monster extractors, cost me $600 to get made up. I have seen a 3SGE make 200RWHP, but thats reving 7-8000. AE85 Trueno :) Get us some driving movs :)

[Xceldyne]

AE85 Sprinter it is and confident will get over 200 RWHP when engine back in car. Currently doing more upgrades and Mods to engine and suspension. Seriously needs decent exhaust!!!

[350VICTOR]

AE86 sprinter? But thats pretty powerful.

[latinoboi681]

Nice