@MikeyMcCrashCap Yes, this is how an oppressive action become accepted: with the assumption that it will solve the problem we have with Others - and will not be applied to me. In fact, the eugenics criteria for forced sterilization was so broad that its most vocal proponents were prime candidates: Harry Laughlin was an epileptic and Aubrey Strode's parents both died in mental asylums. But, of course, the law was created and enforced by the rules of upper class white Anglo-Saxon male supremacy.
The US has a history of sterilizing societies "less desirables." To think one becomes a menace to society, only because of birth and genetics is down right preposterous. People are taught, trained, sometimes encouraged to do wrong, be ignorant, and lazy. This case (like so many) birthed the notion of racism or white supremacy across the world. If we look up the definition of white-pure, innocent, clean. Black-evil, bad. The study of Eugenics came from these ignorant beliefs that still plague us.
It is no coincidence that eugenics and doctrines of white supremacy arose at the dawn of Anglo world expansion. They gave a philosophical veneer to the odious brutality, and huge public expense, of imperial ventures (US/UK leaders opposed the Third Reich not morally, but because Germany was beating them at their own game).
Today's globalization depends on proxy management, that precludes overt use of discredited white supremacy. Now the veneer is "democracy and freedom".
@justJunya That's a very good point. The US and UK were just like Nazi Germany when it comes to colonialism, expansionism, and human rights. But because they were far more aggressive in doing so, many countries like the US & UK considered them a threat not to just to peoples freedoms and safety, but for the protection of there own power. And your saying this continues today not with a divine right or race right but for big money and political influence in the name of "DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM."
@chasm47000 Exactly. While history helps us understand current trends, it's important to be clear on what has changed and what has not. Not changed: the drive to forcefully consolidate world wealth in the hands of a few. Changed: Composition of the "aristocracy" (eg Japan's ruthless exploits earned them a place in the gang). Not changed: the need for public support (financial/miltary). Changed: Ways to rally public - divine/nation/race/religion/humanism. Eugenics is out of fashion, yet lives on.
@justJunya Thats true. Eugenics or Darwinism ideology is gone but its embedded in our culture through a history of racist social enginerring. Example: To this day light skinned black girls think they look better than dark skinned black girls. Blonde hair white girls think they look better than all. Who is society (media, politics, pop culture) to tell me what beauty is when its in the eye of the beholder. This is a direct result of a history of racist social engineering, darwinism, eugenics.
@chasm47000 Unquestionably true. In eugenic theory, the blonde blue-eyed "Nordic" was held as the peak of humanity. And as this social engineering is exported globally through Hollywood and other media, it interfaces with indigenous local systems of social engineering. In India, this results in interplay between caste and color discrimination. In Thailand, brown skin dominates the working class, but is absent from both TV and positions of power. So much talent is imprisoned behind such barriers.
@justJunya Very sad and true. Im pretty sure in the distant futre things will eventually change. Society will change, culture will change and if humanity lives long enough. People all over the world we be judged not by there appearence but by there character.
@justJunya Also what has not changed is the wealthiest people in the world still work close to politics and government so they can keep there wealth and not as much have to compete with others or have there wealth slip away into government or someone. To keep it within the ranks of there family or close friends. The republican party are successful in brainwashing there followers to defend the richest 1% through a ideology that helps no one but that 1%. If we study history. Countries have managed
@justJunya to brainwash there citizens to just defend them. The poor will always fight and die for the rich. The young will always fight and die for the old. While the poore and young always have nothing weather they win or loose. The rich, old and powerful will always stay protected.
@chasm47000 While this appears to have always been true in the past, I have no crystal ball to tell me that it will always be true in the future. On the other hand, history shows us that mercantilism and the power of the state had a beginning. And simple observation of nature teaches us that everything that has a beginning also has an ending. So it seems likely to me that even the most persistent social afflictions will come to an end. And our duty as conscious beings is to work toward that end.
i know the sad thing is that this happened in the United States. a country that nowadays would be the last place anybody would think of them doing experiments on people
@91286nemesis These days, the US is famed for CIA use of waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and other torture techniques. Those were developed and refined by medical professionals monitoring the torture, collecting and analyzing data, then tweaking the technique to maximize the torture within the legal bounds. That was (according to a June 2010 report by Physicians for Human Rights) human experimentation without informed consent, in violation of medical ethics and domestic and international law.
Agreed - imbeciles like the "too big to fail" automotive and financial service industries. As Justice Holmes would say: "It is better for all the world, if society can prevent corporations that are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover shutting down GM, Bank of America, and Goldman-Sachs .Three generations of debt in bailouts are enough".
Are you seriously trying to equate science with Naziism? For fucking shame, guy! Science is an intelligent attitude toward the world, an attitude that tells us simply to TEST AND VERIFY everything we'd believe, before we believe it. Science is why you know there is a solar system, science is what doctors use to stop you from dying, science is what's making your f-cking computer run right now... Science is EXACTLY what the proponents of eugenics did not grasp. In short, f-ck you.
The same is now being used by gov in nations adopting sex offender laws but people will not see their hate for humanity through the eyes of the oppressed because they would have to admit their wrong and time has run out for the oppressor too admit anything. The rule of law is not in them nor the humanity to recognize their own fumbles when it on camera for all to view. Cameras in the courts are in order so we can see their bulbous heads and their makeup fall around their feet.
Thank you for this video. Carrie Buck was my great aunt. She was married to my uncle Charles Detamore. It sickens me to see the way our government can treat people even today.
@TheCoolkid29 Thank you for watching and providing an inspirational comment. Your comment reminds me that the subject is not cold facts and dates of history, but real people. Families of people subjected to forced sterilization have been denied new members - in your case, cousins. It was an attack on not just individuals, but families, ethnicities, and other whole classes of people.
A 6/24/2009 USA Today online feature "U.S. eugenics legacy: Ruling on Buck sterilization still stands" concisely sums up the Buck case, and GA State Univ. professor Paul Lombardo's research (the phrase "Fixed To Fail" came from a 1994 article on Lombardo). In the linked Science Snapshot, he expresses the idea that is this video's thesis:
"Buck earns a place in the legal hall of shame not only because Holmes' opinion was unnecessarily callous but also because it was based on deceit and betrayal"
This is great, really great, but I'm confused why this isn't as in depth as the Emmett Till 'Fixed to Fail'. Is this something you are still working on?
This was my first video (actually closer to slideshow than video), posted to Internet Archive in 2006. Edwin Black's "War Against The Weak" inspired me to try to share this story in an easily digested format.
The Till video grew from a chance meet with the classic DVD "Untold Story of Emmett Till". I found lots of info on the Till case (unlike the Buck case), yet saw another angle to present.
Much work goes into video, but a new one is coming soon!
I thank you tremendously for this video and I hope that we can fight the tendency to forget about the pain these people suffered under the eugenics program.
I sure wish they'd start a eugenics program here in New Jersey. The people here today are almost as dumb as the ignorant inbreds in the lower states.
MikeyMcCrashCap 4 months ago
@MikeyMcCrashCap Yes, this is how an oppressive action become accepted: with the assumption that it will solve the problem we have with Others - and will not be applied to me. In fact, the eugenics criteria for forced sterilization was so broad that its most vocal proponents were prime candidates: Harry Laughlin was an epileptic and Aubrey Strode's parents both died in mental asylums. But, of course, the law was created and enforced by the rules of upper class white Anglo-Saxon male supremacy.
justJunya 4 months ago
The US has a history of sterilizing societies "less desirables." To think one becomes a menace to society, only because of birth and genetics is down right preposterous. People are taught, trained, sometimes encouraged to do wrong, be ignorant, and lazy. This case (like so many) birthed the notion of racism or white supremacy across the world. If we look up the definition of white-pure, innocent, clean. Black-evil, bad. The study of Eugenics came from these ignorant beliefs that still plague us.
chasm47000 1 year ago
@chasm47000 Well said.
It is no coincidence that eugenics and doctrines of white supremacy arose at the dawn of Anglo world expansion. They gave a philosophical veneer to the odious brutality, and huge public expense, of imperial ventures (US/UK leaders opposed the Third Reich not morally, but because Germany was beating them at their own game).
Today's globalization depends on proxy management, that precludes overt use of discredited white supremacy. Now the veneer is "democracy and freedom".
justJunya 1 year ago
@justJunya That's a very good point. The US and UK were just like Nazi Germany when it comes to colonialism, expansionism, and human rights. But because they were far more aggressive in doing so, many countries like the US & UK considered them a threat not to just to peoples freedoms and safety, but for the protection of there own power. And your saying this continues today not with a divine right or race right but for big money and political influence in the name of "DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM."
chasm47000 1 year ago
@chasm47000 Exactly. While history helps us understand current trends, it's important to be clear on what has changed and what has not. Not changed: the drive to forcefully consolidate world wealth in the hands of a few. Changed: Composition of the "aristocracy" (eg Japan's ruthless exploits earned them a place in the gang). Not changed: the need for public support (financial/miltary). Changed: Ways to rally public - divine/nation/race/religion/humanism. Eugenics is out of fashion, yet lives on.
justJunya 1 year ago
@justJunya Thats true. Eugenics or Darwinism ideology is gone but its embedded in our culture through a history of racist social enginerring. Example: To this day light skinned black girls think they look better than dark skinned black girls. Blonde hair white girls think they look better than all. Who is society (media, politics, pop culture) to tell me what beauty is when its in the eye of the beholder. This is a direct result of a history of racist social engineering, darwinism, eugenics.
chasm47000 1 year ago
@chasm47000 Unquestionably true. In eugenic theory, the blonde blue-eyed "Nordic" was held as the peak of humanity. And as this social engineering is exported globally through Hollywood and other media, it interfaces with indigenous local systems of social engineering. In India, this results in interplay between caste and color discrimination. In Thailand, brown skin dominates the working class, but is absent from both TV and positions of power. So much talent is imprisoned behind such barriers.
justJunya 1 year ago
@justJunya Very sad and true. Im pretty sure in the distant futre things will eventually change. Society will change, culture will change and if humanity lives long enough. People all over the world we be judged not by there appearence but by there character.
chasm47000 1 year ago
@justJunya Also what has not changed is the wealthiest people in the world still work close to politics and government so they can keep there wealth and not as much have to compete with others or have there wealth slip away into government or someone. To keep it within the ranks of there family or close friends. The republican party are successful in brainwashing there followers to defend the richest 1% through a ideology that helps no one but that 1%. If we study history. Countries have managed
chasm47000 1 year ago
@justJunya to brainwash there citizens to just defend them. The poor will always fight and die for the rich. The young will always fight and die for the old. While the poore and young always have nothing weather they win or loose. The rich, old and powerful will always stay protected.
chasm47000 1 year ago
@chasm47000 While this appears to have always been true in the past, I have no crystal ball to tell me that it will always be true in the future. On the other hand, history shows us that mercantilism and the power of the state had a beginning. And simple observation of nature teaches us that everything that has a beginning also has an ending. So it seems likely to me that even the most persistent social afflictions will come to an end. And our duty as conscious beings is to work toward that end.
justJunya 1 year ago
i know the sad thing is that this happened in the United States. a country that nowadays would be the last place anybody would think of them doing experiments on people
91286nemesis 1 year ago
@91286nemesis These days, the US is famed for CIA use of waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and other torture techniques. Those were developed and refined by medical professionals monitoring the torture, collecting and analyzing data, then tweaking the technique to maximize the torture within the legal bounds. That was (according to a June 2010 report by Physicians for Human Rights) human experimentation without informed consent, in violation of medical ethics and domestic and international law.
justJunya 1 year ago
@superamerica1981
Agreed - imbeciles like the "too big to fail" automotive and financial service industries. As Justice Holmes would say: "It is better for all the world, if society can prevent corporations that are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover shutting down GM, Bank of America, and Goldman-Sachs .Three generations of debt in bailouts are enough".
justJunya 1 year ago
Are you seriously trying to equate science with Naziism? For fucking shame, guy! Science is an intelligent attitude toward the world, an attitude that tells us simply to TEST AND VERIFY everything we'd believe, before we believe it. Science is why you know there is a solar system, science is what doctors use to stop you from dying, science is what's making your f-cking computer run right now... Science is EXACTLY what the proponents of eugenics did not grasp. In short, f-ck you.
falstaffswims 1 year ago
@falstaffswims NOTHING stops you from dying.
justJunya 1 year ago
@justJunya Well-said. And isn't that a bloody shame?!
falstaffswims 1 year ago
The same is now being used by gov in nations adopting sex offender laws but people will not see their hate for humanity through the eyes of the oppressed because they would have to admit their wrong and time has run out for the oppressor too admit anything. The rule of law is not in them nor the humanity to recognize their own fumbles when it on camera for all to view. Cameras in the courts are in order so we can see their bulbous heads and their makeup fall around their feet.
Keither9 1 year ago
@Keither9
As we used to say in the 80's: "Word up!". Well said.
justJunya 1 year ago
Thank you for this video. Carrie Buck was my great aunt. She was married to my uncle Charles Detamore. It sickens me to see the way our government can treat people even today.
TheCoolkid29 1 year ago
@TheCoolkid29 Thank you for watching and providing an inspirational comment. Your comment reminds me that the subject is not cold facts and dates of history, but real people. Families of people subjected to forced sterilization have been denied new members - in your case, cousins. It was an attack on not just individuals, but families, ethnicities, and other whole classes of people.
Our job now is to learn from history.
justJunya 1 year ago
A 6/24/2009 USA Today online feature "U.S. eugenics legacy: Ruling on Buck sterilization still stands" concisely sums up the Buck case, and GA State Univ. professor Paul Lombardo's research (the phrase "Fixed To Fail" came from a 1994 article on Lombardo). In the linked Science Snapshot, he expresses the idea that is this video's thesis:
"Buck earns a place in the legal hall of shame not only because Holmes' opinion was unnecessarily callous but also because it was based on deceit and betrayal"
justJunya 1 year ago
This is great, really great, but I'm confused why this isn't as in depth as the Emmett Till 'Fixed to Fail'. Is this something you are still working on?
Drusamson 2 years ago
Thanks for taking the time to give feedback!
This was my first video (actually closer to slideshow than video), posted to Internet Archive in 2006. Edwin Black's "War Against The Weak" inspired me to try to share this story in an easily digested format.
The Till video grew from a chance meet with the classic DVD "Untold Story of Emmett Till". I found lots of info on the Till case (unlike the Buck case), yet saw another angle to present.
Much work goes into video, but a new one is coming soon!
apattf 2 years ago
In case you're wondering: previous comment posted from this account because posting from justjunya account is not working, for some unknown reason.
apattf 2 years ago
I thank you tremendously for this video and I hope that we can fight the tendency to forget about the pain these people suffered under the eugenics program.
preid2 2 years ago
Thanks! Fruits of eugenics are all around:
- Population control/ecology: Planned Parenthood + The Wildlife Conservation Society = wildlife management of humans
- Genetics: see Watson on the inferior intelligence of Africans. DNA databases - a dream come true.
- Anti-immigration: some laws, and all the same arguments, still stand
- "Mental illness": Forced drugging so they are fit - for trial and prison.
As long as its war against the "unfit" continues, eugenics cannot be forgotten.
justJunya 2 years ago