Chemtrail HORROR WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Part 2

[oefster]

/watch?v=rBiGdOyFB5o

[manelmariarodrigues]

they are just laughing at us by now........

doing drawings in the sky and the sheeple still keeping busy going to work

disgusting this is !!

[86kinky86]

WTF??

[DaAlphaOmega]

ive noticed alot of traffic in the sky over my city recently,as many as 7 jet planes crossing paths leaving chem trails in one small spot in the sky.

[stopthechem]

100% chem.. the pendules are present ..see my vid

[kevlarincarnate]

this happens all the time in canberra, why are ppl so interested in simple ice trails???

[haarpcloud911]

Look up the Shield of Ra....

They admit they are doing this...using aluminum oxide and barium oxide...

The Air Force has admitted this LOOOOOng ago...

And now they're simply saying it is to cloak the harmful rays of the sun...

It's for our own good...lol

[eof12]

My opinion - You can actually see the clouds are already starting to grow (beyond the "chemtreils") because of high humidity, And the contrails are only the trigger to build more, so it looks like "chemtrails". I just don't know, I am not convinced about chemtrails existence (at least) yet.

[neobignuts]

The ones in the backround were the same as the chemtrail thats obvious...they end up expanding into chem clouds.

[haarpcloud911]

@eof12 Look up the Shield of Ra....

They admit they are doing this...using aluminum oxide and barium oxide...

The Air Force has admitted this LOOOOOng ago...

And now they're simply saying it is to cloak the harmful rays of the sun...

It's for our own good...lol

[wfs4lifetez]

also why would they need to do this in different parts all over the worl and why more than one line how much data do they need snds like the whaling senario for research purposes yeah rigth wheres the research?

[wfs4lifetez]

i agree with neobignuts if that is the case why have the usa not told the public that this is the case why is their no evidence that this isn't some sort of biological chemicals and for what purpose would you need to drop dust ect... whatever into our skys for wheres the planes that record what happens after this?

[academianon]

Those are some nasty chemtrails, thank you for posting. For those who are skeptical, please check out some of the following terms: - Owning the Weather in 2025 - Geoengineering: Workshop on Unilateral Planetary Scale Geoengineering - UK Committee on Geoengineering (you can listen to this one on my channel) - HAARP - Welsbach Patent - Eastlund Patent - Porton Down, UK - Zinc Cadmium Experiments - Direct, Semi-Direct and Indirect Aerosol Campaign - Stratospheric Aerosols

[Grommo]

For those who are ignorant, READ the ISDAC papers! The Indirect, Semi Direct Aerosol campaign is a SAMPLING program where by scientists sample aerosols in the atmosphere.

Aerosols such as volcanic ash, bush fire particulates , organic particulates (dust!) , vehicle exhaust and exhaust from oil and coal fired powerstations.

It is breathtaking the number of idiots who quote the ISDAC program as some sort of chemtrail evidence when obviously it is nothing of the sort!

[neobignuts]

Greg, do you ignore flouridation as well?

Also explain that too...we could do with a good laugh at that.

You have failed at with your video's to explain the chemtrail's...

Your science is good with regards to atmospheric anomalies, but your head still is inside your upper colon.

[GregOrca]

I'm sure as someone who is incapable of offering any explanation of the clouds in the three videos I linked to you will have no trouble refuting the physics detailed in those documents.

Dude, I'm trying to help you

You obviously have spent a lot of time getting suckered into the hoax yet spent zero time learning atmospheric physics or aviation procedures and flight navigation.

Obviously you are accusing all airline pilots and ATC staff of a criminal conspiracy.

Go to the SSSF and prove your case

[GregOrca]

"The Effects of Aircraft Wake Dynamics on Contrail Development"

Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences

Volume 58, Issue 4 (February 2001)

"Influence of propulsion efficiency on contrail formation"

Ulrich Schumann

Institut für Physik der Atmosphäre, Wessling, Germany

[GregOrca]

The onus is on you guys to prove chemtrails exist.

You have shown nothing to indicate anything other than normal contrails.

Enlighten us all what you think the characteristics are of these so called "chemtrails" and how they differ from the indisputable characteristics of persistent spreading contrails.

I'm still waiting for you to show ANY evidence to support your claims or even demonstrate any of you know enough about the atmosphere to explain the 3 vids I linked to.

[aaallenania]

Not everybody is willng to believe their government is capable of such a criminal act as chemtrailing. It amazes me how they ignore the fact of their own health being at risk. They say they are healthy, but how can they be so certain what is going on inside of them? When their lungs fail, perhaps the gasped last breath will be, "Oh shit, the chemtrailers were right!"

[GregOrca]

aaallenania said: "It amazes me how they ignore the fact of their own health being at risk".

sure. And these hundreds of thousands of naughty folk supposedly spraying deadly toxins all over the world and those ordering the "spraying" never thought for a moment that deliberately spreading poison into the atmosphere worldwide might actually affect them too?

If you paid more attention to science than to Michael Korrs you wouldn't have such delusions.

You even fell for the Haiti UFO hoax!

[aaallenania]

GregKillerWhale, you should go back to making talking pigs like KrazedKitten suggested. Threats and money would have you spraying shite too. Don't you get it? Once a pilot gets into the "secret" operation (that actually isn't much of a secret except to contards) he has lost a valuable freedom.

[GregOrca]

LOL! Dream on and keep watching "project runway". That's as close to any knowledge of aviation as you'll ever get! You fell for the Haiti UFO hoax and you expect me to take anything you say seriously! Look at this vid: watch?v=CA3Wy9pZ-4g You seriously think it is any more ridiculous than chemtrails? What is the white cloud in this vid? Can ANY of you explain it? watch?v=w2mj-Sq2oeo I know the answer but that's because unlike you I understand the atmosphere.

[aaallenania]

LOL, yourself. The only thing you know about the atmosphere, is that it is there. You don't know what you're looking at. Climb down off your white horse and smell the proverbial roses. Something is not right in our sky.

[GregOrca]

There's nothing wrong in the sky.

Just something wrong in your head.

If you think understand the atmosphere then tell us what that cloud is!

You can't, even though understanding what is going on there is the most BASIC knowledge needed to understand clouds in the sky.

The fact that none of you can explain the pool vid proves how ignorant you are.

For you not to understand its relevance proves your ignorance too.

For you to say you understand the sky in any way is therefore laughable.

[KrazedKitten]

aaallenania you might want to keep this in mind, Cass Sunstein, Top Obama czar, called for the Infiltration of all 'conspiracy theorists'. He said government agents "might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

[fungus37]

I've read some of the crap Cass Sunstein puts out. He's a dangerous man.

[mstaff657]

we are all dead

tough shit

[GregOrca]

Threats and money would have me spraying poison all over myself and everyone I know?

LOL

Hey Aaallenia, if someone offered you some money to put a gun to your head and the heads of your family and pull the trigger you'd do it right?

There's the problem.

Such ideas make perfect sense to morons.

Fortunately the rest of the population with more than single digit IQ's have no such delusions.

[aaallenania]

You twisted the meaning of what I said, which is par for your course. Go tell your boss, Cass S., to get you a job as a door greater at Wal-Mart. You are failing miserably as a troll.

[aaallenania]

Therefore, Senator Feinstein, and other elected officials, are given a pass and dont have to answer our real questions about what has happened to our once clear, deep blue skies and how atmospheric heating and testing programs are impacting our environment, climate, and possibly human health.

[aaallenania]

The United States Air Forces notes that the word chemtrail is a hoax on their website and writes letters, upon the request of U.S. elected officials like California U.S. Senator Diane Feinstein, to inform the public in writing, that the word chemtrail is a hoax.

[neobignuts]

We await your real explanation relevent to what I have witnessed.

Not antarctica, guatamala, the 60's etc...

Why dont you research the wheather on the days I have filmed and scientificaly explain it....not pretending you know what chemtrails are.

Oh yes you know all about contrails as you are a contard....

Post some real evidence or leave this discussion to people who are aware of the phenomena.

[GregOrca]

The weather in your video shows cirrus haze!

That alone proves the relative humidity was IDEAL for persistent contrail formation.

The weather forecast for NSW on 6th December included thunderstorm warnings and high humidity.

Tell us what type of plane your friend flies.

I challenge you to show evidence your friend was piloting a plane capable of flying at the altitude you claim .

What make of plane and tail number?

What is his pilot rating?

It is very obvious you are making it up

[neobignuts]

@GregOrca

LOL NSW is small.....

I am in Canberra......

Like I said I dont need to prove shit to you.

Im not sure what he flies.

So if I film a sensa flying higher than the CHEMTRAILS, does this explain it for you in a Hot lower altitude environment..

With commercial Jets taking off and climbing higher than these trails....

Greg you dont listen .....

Go outside occassionaly and observe this for yourself..

[GregOrca]

Sure if you film a cesna flying higher than trails you may have something of interest.

However your video shows no such thing.

It clearly shows contrails from airliners in a holding pattern and overflies of the Canberra VOR/DME

If you assert they are chemtrails you need to explain why they cannot be contrails.

They show all the characteristics of normal contrails.

What evidence do you have that they are anything else?

You claim you know what you see but can't answer ANY question to back that up!

[GregOrca]

"Go outside and look up"

LOL

I do

I fly hangliders and spend hours thermal soaring which involves actually understanding the atmosphere.

Dude, you don't even understand size constancy in human perception, and you try to bluff the BS that a "pilot" you know flew above the trails.

You know you are lying. I know you are lying.

You try to bluff that take off and landings go higher than obvious overflights!

ROFLMFAO!

Pull the other one !

It's controlled airspace!

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg there is plenty of scientific proof of chemtrails. You just don't want to believe it. The governments love sheeple like you. And there's no way you're any kind of paid agent for them. You're just not smart enough to be able to convince people that chemtrails don't exist. Stick with something you know, like talking pigs.

[GregOrca]

Show any scientific proof of chemtrails!

There is none.

Show any sampling of a trail behind an aircraft in the sky that shows it contains anything other than normal combustion byproducts.

You have seen the vid I linked to of cloud seeding with silver iodide and co2, which is not "chemtrails".

Show any spectrographic analysis or direct sampling results.

There are none.

I'm sure you will try to suggest that KSLA found high levels of barium from windblown dust . Nope even that only showed 0.0688ppm

[neobignuts]

@GregOrca

What do I have to gain in lying, your the egomaniac trying to wrong all that is'nt from your twat of a mouth...I can be quite sure that ROFL'S are at you superman...

Soo educated sooo talented and FINALY SOOOOO DUMB....

How many hooks are still in your mouth from buying soo much crap...

[GregOrca]

You are scared of water.

That is what is so funny.

You have shown from your comments that you understand nothing of the atmosphere, are incapable of answering even the most basic questions of atmospheric phenomena and are ignorant of basic aviation.

The great irony is that you say I am the one with "hooks in my mouth from buying crap".

I'm the one who understands atmospheric science. There's no faith involved.

You are the ones who have fallen for a hoax that relies on your ignorance.

[GregOrca]

watch?v=Cr25giCYKhA

watch?v=KlrdvLBWqh8

Neobignuts, why don't you go on Dr Karl's Self service science forum and try to have all the engineers, airline pilots and meteorologists there take you seriously.

There are a number of airline pilots who are regulars on that science forum.

Surely you will be able to convince them that what they experience and do everyday is not normal.

Surely you will be able to convince meteorologists from the BOM that 70+ years of atmospheric science is wrong.

Easy !

[neobignuts]

@GregOrca

Greg, below -22 contrails persist yes?

My video's are all filmed in Canberrra on very dry days for 1 also the altitudes of most of the planes filmed are below 20,000 feet confirmed by a pilot I know who is up in the skies at the time of the spraying.

Secondly the days in question are very hot mostly above 33c.

So your first video only gives more weight to my video and observations, thanks for posting.

[GregOrca]

LOL

Below 20,000 feet?

Tell us, did the pilot you know have their own onboard radar that determines the flight of airliners around them?

What sort of plane does your friend fly?

Saying the day in question was above 33c is irrelevant.

The temperature at altitude is vastly colder than on the ground.

How are you going on Dr Karl's science forum? Have you convinced all the pilots, physicists and meteorologists there that you are right? They like a good laugh.

[GregOrca]

Oh, wait. I know how it is.

Anyone who argues against the idiocy of chemtrail belief must be a NWO govt agent right?

There's no people out there who actually enjoy mythbusting and debunking ignorant bullshit.

My friends like Jazrock/beachcomber, faithinscience epoxynous, uncinus are obviously not pilots and scientists who enjoy debunking garbage. To you guys they MUST be "agents" paid by reptilians/greys/illuminati/fr­eemasons/thetans/satan/santa/p­ixies to argue against you!

LOL

[HellN0Kittee]

@Greg  blah, blah, blah, you say the same things over and over and yet you have proven only that contrails exist. You haven't proven that chemtrails do not exist.

[GregOrca]

You have provided Zero evidence that "Chemtrails" do exist.

The onus is on you to prove they do exist.

If someone claims that alien reptilians from Nibiru exist, the onus of proof is on them to offer proof.

Canadian parliamentarian Mike Lake tabled a govt document naming Bigfoot and demanding protection for it.

However he offered no proof Bigfoot exists .

Carol Rosin and Andre Webre drafted HR2977 and mentioned chemtrails and alien weapons yet the document offers no proof such things exist.

[GregOrca]

There is an overwhelming quantity of solid scientific data to prove persistent contrails exist.

I listed a number of their accepted characteristics.

You have failed to suggest ANY characteristics of "chemtrails", and made no suggestion of either quantitative or qualitative analysis how they can be detected and distinguished from contrails.

Every western city on earth has scores if not hundreds of air quality sampling stations yet NONE of them have detected substances claimed to be "sprayed" .

[neobignuts]

@HellN0Kittee

Thats right.....

[neobignuts]

@GregOrca

U idiot.

He flies over the chemtrails....radar LOL

Really its cooler higher gee...You are smart.

I dont need to convince or prove anything.

I know what Im looking at and you have your head burried up your ass.

[GregOrca]

No, it is obvious you have no clue you are looking at.

If you had any knowledge of the atmosphere you could easily explain the three videos I linked to.

If you cannot correctly explain those vids then you cannot claim to understand what you are looking at in earths atmosphere.

You are ignorant of atmospheric science and aviation.

You are too scared to try to convince anyone on the SSSF as you know you will be laughed at.

I can safely bet you never studied physics or chemistry at school.

[neobignuts]

@GregOrca

Greg, you rave that you are this and that I say your full of shit.

Prove yourself, anyone can spin crap online, show us your doc's.

I can pull orca's out of my ass too.

Even better lets debate face to face, if you got the balls.

[GregOrca]

"Cirrus, contrails, and ice supersaturated regions in high pressure systems at northern mid latitudes"

Atmos. Chem. Phys., 8, 1689-1699, 2008

"On the Transition of Contrails into Cirrus Clouds"

Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences

Volume 57, Issue 4 (2000)

[GregOrca]

watch?v=w2mj-Sq2oeo

Here's the guy that spills nitrogen liquid that rapidly turns back into an invisible gas, yet a white cloud forms.

You guys have no clue what that white cloud is !!!

LOL

Still no answer from you two how stationary clouds are forming out of windy clear blue sky.

watch?v=XFBDXGUGHqA

Could it be Ananukai reptilians in Orbs spraying them... or is atmospheric science required to understand it?

You guys can't answer!

watch?v=UtISR1_OzSQ

ground level contrail to the horizon!

[aaallenania]

Ten points out of a hundred isn't all that bad. LOL

[HellN0Kittee]

aaallenania that's probably the most points he's ever gotten on anything. I'm sure he never got that much for his looks! LOL! More like a -3. LOL

[neobignuts]

Its clear Greg is a smart chap though his obnosis is primate.

His proved this by his statements coupled with his video's.

In saying this he has a right to beleive whatever he wants...Its good when we get people like this on here so as people can see how flawed there argument is.

But 10 points greg for knowing so much irrelivent stuff.

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg clearly lives in a fantasy world. It's as if he can't separate his cartoons from the real world.  It's kind of creepy.

[GregOrca]

Dude, You have filmed the typical "racetrack contrail" from a holding pattern.

You have not been able to demonstrate that ANYTHING about your video is anything other than normal persistent contrails from aircraft in normal holding patterns and doing fly-overs using Canberra VOR-DME. id:CB

You & Kittee are unable to explain the cause of the clouds forming in the 3 vids I linked to.

Kittee can't figure why there are more contrails now than in the 60s when there were 50 times less flights!

[GregOrca]

You kids also probably believe that weather modification is some secret program that only troofers have discovered.

Perhaps you can explain why films such as this have been around for decades and articles on weather modification have appeared in science journals for just as long.watch?v=1Kw5uTuhH60

I guess publishing in science journals would keep it secret from you guys though!

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg you might be able to convince little kids that barn animals talk but you'll never be able to convince thinking adults that chemtrails don't exist.

[hillbillylily]

HellNoKittee, the sky where I live used to be broken only occasionally by contrails. Short lengths of plume. Now nearly every day the planes spray long trails from horizon to horizon.

[HellN0Kittee]

hillbillylily we get days of a lot of chemtrails from time to time now. But several years ago it was much, much worse because they were doing it all the time, all year long.

[neobignuts]

Explain this, Sunday the whatever has 7 planes circling Canberra leaving the sky full of crap.

Following Sunday plane activity falls dramaticaly and all the planes observed have contrails, also going to logical destinations whereas the previous Sunday they had been comming and going from rediculous locations.

Both Sundays are like chalk and cheese....mind you all planes flying previous sunday where at low altitudes.

[GregOrca]

Why don't you research VOR navigation and holding patterns so you can learn why planes fly in circles above towns that they do not intend to land in.

Your buddy Krazedkitten or hellnokitty made the bold unfounded claim that long trails did not occur in the 1960s.

The atmospheric science journal shot that garbage claim down in flames.

You chemtards regularly claim that contrails can't last longer than a few seconds.

Name a scientific paper that supports that claim.

[HellN0Kittee]

Sorry for the typos. It's difficult for me to type when I'm laughing! LOL

[GregOrca]

Here is a vid from 1956. Long plumes that criss cross the sky. watch?v=qqIYRRcODms A normal sight that sane people were familiar with. Even the Concorde made persistent contrails. watch?v=oMOyeuDKAlg Here's the X15way back in the 60s watch?v=jx-ZDhDEXdY The exhaust of the rocket is water and nitrogen gas and leaves a white plume of ICE Crystals. The plane engine exhaust leaves invisible CO2 and WATER ! Long white persistent contrails were a common sight to anyone who paid attention!

[GregOrca]

Do a google search for "TWA promotional Graphic, circa 1962"

Contrails were so common even in the 60s that they were common topics for posters.

Google "TWA swizzle stick"

Long white contrails were so common they were used as design elements in coffee stirrers for airline passengers!

[GregOrca]

Now hilariously you seem to claim that in the 1960s there were no long trails, yet in a document from the Journal of Atmospheric sciences in 1970 Peter Kuhn writes: 1969

"Contrail development & spreading begins in the morning hours with the start of heavy jet traffic & may extend from horizon to horizon as the air traffic peaks. "

"The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight"

You say no trails yet in black and white with Photos that document proves you WRONG.

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg what there was where I live in the 60s is nothing like what we are seeing now. What we are seeing now is only a fraction of what we were seeing 7 to 10 years ago. Still photos don't prove a thing. You're stuck on some stupid tangent saying contrails exist. We KNOW that. So stop wasting your time telling us contrails exist. But what you don't seem to have the intelligence to realize is that chemtrails now exist too! Geez! Grow a brain!

[GregOrca]

You haven't specified what you think "chemtrails" are or what their physical characteristics are that distinguish them from contrails.

Normal contrails can last for hours.

Normal contrails can spread into complete overcast

Normal contrails can form X's and grids and ovals.

Normal contrails can vary in length behind planes that appear to be nearby each other

Normal contrails can have many gaps

Normal contrails can have rainbow colours due to diffraction

Normal contrails can form at ground level

[GregOrca]

Since we know as an established scientific fact accepted by the world's atmospheric scientists and meteorologists that normal contrails can stretch from horizon to horizon and spread outwards to cause complete overcast, perhaps you kids would like to demonstrate your "knowledge" by explaining where water comes from in kerosene combustion and how a contrail can spread in size.

There are plenty of scientific papers you can refer to if you don't know offhand.

[neobignuts]

@GregOrca your 2 lower videos prove only that you are useless at observing.

We cant see the trails persisting at all.

Your research is based purely on your assumptions and is laughable.

I dont need to add video's, people are seeing the odd aircraft activity even in the smallest of towns off the city to city routes.

[HellN0Kittee]

EXACTLY neobignuts! He sticks garbage up that's supposed to be proof he's right and he winds up making a fool out of himself time and time again because what he calls proof, proves nothing.

[stopthechem]

you will need a mask

[TrutherD1]

That is bad. Check my Dec 3rd video for crazy electromagnetics. I also caught web chemtrails over a city recently.

[makethemaccountable]

Wow, they really don't like you.

Stay inside when they do that.

[atexascash3502]

there teraforming us-like one would spray a field of crops,changing the enviroment to suit another species.THEY LIVE!

[HellN0Kittee]

Yeah, they have their standard answers that they use over and over. They think they can explain everything away by saying the same old crap. And they probably are convincing to some people who really haven't been paying attention over the last 10 years.

[neobignuts]

@HellN0Kittee

whats interesting is that the agents dont comment on these 2 vids as they dont have the ballz...:)

Too blatent.....

[HellN0Kittee]

That's exactly true! Nobody can look at these videos and say that sky is "normal".

[GregOrca]

Planes flying in the sky at all is not "normal" by geological history standards. It has only happened in the last 100 years but for a sky with normal airliners flying through the tropopause that sky is perfectly normal.

If you learn about aviation and atmospheric physics you will understand exactly why that sky is the normal result of normal engine combustion gasses interacting with high relative humidity in the tropopause.

If you are stupid you think something was sprayed.

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg if you are stupid then you think nothing was sprayed. Go back to making your cartoons.

[GregOrca]

@HellN0Kittee

I don't make cartoons, I am an engineer, robotics expert and fluid dynamics expert.

I have a science and a design engineering degree

You are none of those things and are ignorant.

The videos that neobignuts has posted show ice crystals that have formed from engine exhaust.

Ice crystals can persist for hours in the atmosphere and will initiate cirrus cloud formation for 17% of any year.

Go learn some atmospheric science.

Your ignorance makes you gullible and scared of water.

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg I'm sorry, all that education in engineering and the best job you could land was making "cartoons"? Maybe things will look up for you in 2010. You might have a right to mount that high horse you've put yourself on if you were doing something useful with your knowledge in robotics such as making robotic limbs for those who have lost their real limbs in unnecessary wars. Now that would be something you could actually be proud of.

[HellN0Kittee]

However none of what you do makes you qualified to explain what's going on in the sky over our heads. If this was normal it wouldn't come and go the way it does. About 15 years ago this kind of sky cover didn't exist on this level. Then it starts happening.  All of a sudden it almost comes to a complete stop for a couple of years in my area. I live in a huge city with a lot of aircraft flying every day. So if it were normal it would be happening still.

[HellN0Kittee]

Now it just happens occasionally and not anywhere near to the extent that it was about 8 or 10 years ago.

[GregOrca]

What makes me qualified is that unlike you I have a science degree and studied physics and chemistry for years at university level & with my knowledge of meteorology from flying sailplanes, hang-gliders and designing record breaking sailing craft from first principles I actually understand the earths atmosphere, unlike you.

The prevalence of the persistent contrails you are seeing depends on weather! High altitude weather.

Low relative humidity means few contrails. High or supersaturation=lots

[GregOrca]

So if you used your brain you wouldn't be perplexed that contrails differ in frequency from day to day, just as ANY clouds will be different in number and type from day to day.

It is atmospheric conditions that determine how long the water ice crystals will persist for. It might be only seconds or it can be many hours and of course contrails can spread to form cirrus clouds and have done so for many decades.

[HellN0Kittee]

I'm not perplexed that the weather and natural conditions differ from day to day. However, I am perplexed that anybody can believe that what is obviously artificial is in their eyes just water vapor. What I saw happening between 7 to 11 years ago is nothing like it is now. During that time the sky over where I live was covered with those trails. All of a sudden it all came to a screeching halt. It's only an occasional occurrence now. And prior to that time it was an even rarer occurrence.

[GregOrca]

BTW you have NO IDEA what else I use my numerous fields of expertise for.

Here's a simple test for you. I know the answers but let's see if you do to prove your understanding of the atmosphere.

watch?v=w2mj-Sq2oeo

what is the white cloud that forms over the pool?

watch?v=XFBDXGUGHqA

Those clouds are staying in the same place but the atmosphere is moving fast. Is something spraying them?

watch?v=UtISR1_OzSQ

Huge cloud all the way to horizon from hercules.

What causes it?

[HellN0Kittee]

BTW I'm not taking your stupid test. I don't have to prove anything to you.

[GregOrca]

Of course you won't answer those questions because you guys are incapable of answering & explaining what you are seeing, just as you are incapable of understanding persistent contrails.

It is extremely revealing that you said you find it hard to believe what you are seeing is just water vapour, as if that is what scientist claim contrails are.

ROFLMFAO !!!!

Water vapour is invisible.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to see water vapour.

That's why clear blue sky can contain MORE water than cloudy sky.

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg, I don't have the time nor the desire to take your stupid tests. To hear you babble on about yourself a person would think you had been a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. You may be a legend but trust me, it's only in your own mind.

[neobignuts]

@GregOrca This is how you prove your inteligence????

ROFL

Please walk to the front door and look up.

Yes its the sky, havnt seen it in a while hey.

Greg, dont patronize the people who see what you FAIL to.

[GregOrca]

I don't fail to do anything. What you FAIL to do is understand what you see.

You fail to understand what is happening in the vids I linked to. You FAIL to understand contrail formation.

You fail to understand the atmosphere.

Tell me one thing that you think is unusual or an oddity about what you have displayed in your video.

Do you think it is odd that a contrail can last for a long time?

Why?

Do you think it's odd that planes fly racetrack patterns?

Why?

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg based on your argument I could say humans walking the earth isn't normal since that's only been occurring for a fraction of the time Earth has been in existence. To say planes flying in the sky isn't normal is a ridiculous argument even for you. In this day and age planes flying in the sky is perfectly normal so stick with the program here.

[GregOrca]

My point about "normal" is to say that if a sky full of planes is normal, then a sky full of lingering contrails is normal.

Persistent contrails forming grid patterns and spreading to form overcast sheets of cirrus cloud were a normal common familiar sight back in the 1960s and even more common in the 1940s.

You guys have fallen for the "trails are new" hoax because you obviously are unaware of aviation history and aviation science.

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg you are severely lacking in logic and your ignorant arguments illustrates that fact beautifully. It wasn't like this in the 60s. And it's not like it was several years ago when there was a plethora of that shit in the sky.

[GregOrca]

And if you uneducated folk had bothered to read any atmospheric science journals to counter your ignorance you would know that even in the 1970s, atmospheric supersaturation in the tropopause occured for 17% of the time for every year. That means it is not only impossible for an airliner NOT to leave a lasting contrail, but in such conditions the contrail MUST spread to form overcast cirrus cloud. That is 62days per year when spreading is INEVITABLE.

Get an education

[HellN0Kittee]

And I do hope you can get your money back on your so called education because you didn't learn jack shit! Except how to make cartoons. Face it, you live in a fantasy world, no wonder you have no clue what's going on in the real world.

[GregOrca]

Yes, it was like this in the 1960s.

Persistent contrails crossed the sky & were a common site on airline flight routes.

Xs & grids were common as they are the result of flight path intersections in relation to VOR beacons.

There were much fewer flights in general but the atmosphere reacted exactly the same to normal jet engine & piston engine exhausts. Pertsistent contrails formed & lasted for hours & in conditions of supersaturation initiated overcasting, just as happened over Europe in ww2

[HellN0Kittee]

No, it wasn't happening here in the 1960s. Absolutely not! Your ass is out on that one Greg.

[GregOrca]

Persistent contrails were common in the 1960s.

They may not have been common in your area because airline flights in general were not as common as today.

Gee, there are more cars and X formation roads nowdays too. A conspiracy?

There are approx 50 times more aircraft flying nowdays than in the 1960s.

There are about 85,000 airline flights PER DAY world wide and over 100,000 flights in general

Here's a vid from 1959

watch?v=qqIYRRcODms

Intersecting trails. get over it

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg you are so far off in your thinking and beliefs that it's truly laughable. I don't care if there were fewer planes flying in the 60s, there still would have been the huge plumes crossing the skies when then did fly if they were a normal side effect of jet flight. Damn you're not only a cartoonist but a stand-up comedian as well! LOL!!!

[GregOrca]

There were huge plumes from planes in the 1960s .

That is why they they appear in numerous photos and videos from that period.

That is why long contrail images were used as AIRLINE LOGOS in that period!

That is why long trails appear in gemini space launch footage.

That is why they appear in old movies and TV series.

That is why they appear on the cover of LIFE magazine Dec 01 1956 over the Empire state building.

That is why meteorologist Peter Kuhn wrote in 1970 that they were a FAMILIAR SIGHT

[GregOrca]

And you are incapable of explaining those 3 videos I linked to.

That is because unlike me you and neobignuts are ignorant of atmospheric physics.

You don't understand the physics of the real world & are incapable of explaining what your eyes see in those vids.

You seem rather obsessed with cartoons.

I figure the lady dost protest too much and you have gained your paltry grasp of reality from comics.

I seriously doubt you have ever read a science journal.

Explain the 3 vids. It isn't difficult.

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg I'm not about to waste my time taking tests that a nobody such as yourself, tells me to take. Who the hell are you anyway? You're nothing! LOL! Now go back to your fantasy world of cartoon making. That's where you live in your make believe world anyway. LOL!

[GregOrca]

You don't have to take any test.

All I asked you to do was to demonstrate you understand even the most basic aspects of atmospheric science by correctly explaining what formed the clouds in those 3 videos.

The fact that you are too scared to attempt to explain the clouds reveals very clearly that you have no idea what caused those clouds to form and shows your ignorance of atmospheric physics is almost total.

you have NO CLUE.

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg of course I don't have to take your test. I don't have to do a damn thing you say! And I'm certainly not afraid of anything you have to say! of all the Contards, you are one of the most laughable!

[GregOrca]

@neobignuts

LOL

You sad nutcases think anyone who actually understands aviation and the atmosphere must be an "Agent".

What a classic symptom of paranoid psychotic delusion.

You don't understand the physics of atmospheric phenomena and so in your gullibility and ignorance you believe a pathetic hoax.

Here's another one for you to cry over.

watch?v=CA3Wy9pZ-4g

To anyone with knowledge of boats that video is absurd but to anyone with aviation knowledge your delusion is even funnier!

[GregOrca]

@neobignuts

What is interesting is that you don't understand aviation & you don't understand atmospheric physics.

Because of your ignorance you are vulnerable to hoaxes such as the chemtrail hoax.

Don't feel embarrassed. Many people were also fooled by the Moon landing conspiracy hoax & were ignorant enough to believe photos taken on the moon surface should show stars in the lunar sky , even if the aperture exposure setting was calibrated for direct sunlight on astronauts.

watch?v=CA3Wy9pZ-4g

[neobignuts]

@GregOrca whats really interesting is that you know sooo much yet you ignore the oddities occuring in our skies.

Dont confuse this topic with hoaxes or lunar conspiracies.

People like yourself (ALL KNOWING GODLY) once thought the earth was flat.

Will be FN Funny when you realize the flouride in your drinking water has given you alzheimers disease. Yet you thought it was a conspiracy.

[GregOrca]

Dude, what you show in your videos are NOT oddities.

They may seem odd to ignorant people such as yourself with zero knowledge of aviation history and meteorology but to people who actually understand aviation there is nothing mysterious about water ice crystal formation that results in long lasting contrails that spread and can even form overcast.

You have filmed holding patterns over Canberra.. yawn.

You still haven't attempted to explain the physics of the three videos I linked to.

[HellN0Kittee]

Greg I think a video of you making a logical argument would be an oddity. Everything else you say is just a joke!

[GregOrca]

Btw people like myself never thought the world was flat.

Morons thought the world was flat but people with enquiring scientific minds with acute observation skills could see the curvature of the earth & deduced experiments to calculate its diameter.

The Greek scientist Eratosthenes in 240BCE calculated the circumference of the spherical Earth to be 25,000 miles. The accurate value was accepted by most learned men for centuries except Columbus stupidly believed Posidonius's wrong figure.

[HellN0Kittee]

People like yourself Greg? What a stupid thing to say. You didn't live back in the days that people thought the world was flat so you don't know what you would have believed had you been alive then. It's those ignorant kinds of remarks that you make that illustrate just how much you lack a logical mind. Sometimes you just say the dumbest things. But thanks for making me laugh! LOL!

[HellN0Kittee]

The idiots who try to make people think there are no chemtrails will try to explain this away by saying they're from planes in holding patterns, which is of course a ludicrous excuse for that f*cked up sky.

[neobignuts]

@HellN0Kittee Funny you say that cause my sis inlaw was chatting with an ex defence robot today and he said the same crap.....5 planes traveling from Melbourne in a holding pattern above Canberra which is approx 45 mins away from destination Sydney. please how ridiculas...also flying at these low altittudes....unbeleivable.

Wil post all latest footage ASAP need to cut and join some vids from this weekends horrible "holding patterns" LOL. If you buy that please get of youtube.

[GregOrca]

What is ridiculous is that you obviously understand nothing of aviation, physics or meteorology.

Why don't you actually try to learn about holding patterns and VOR navigation before dismissing standard aviation practice for the ignorant delusional Chemtrail bullshit you have been suckered in by.

Go and learn how to do actual research rather than parroting garbage written by morons from the internet.

It's bad enough USA and Canadian fools believe this crap.