Hmm. Nice video. Opened my eyes really, I kinda knew what you were saying before but never could have explained it. How would you compare Telekinesis to Balance? Not only PvP but for leveling and PvE.
To add to my last post - I am at this moment a level 40 Sage with points in the Telekinetic tree with emphasis on critcal damage and reducing the amount I take. Even if I hurl the kitchen sink of all the right Force powers (in suggested rotations from people who know more than me) be it at low level or same level I don't even scratch them. I can take being poor at this game, I still have fun, I would appreciate to be able to do more damage, that is all! :D
I dmit it, I am a very bad player, I barely know what I am doing. I don't mind. I don't mind being stealthed, stunned and 1 shot ganked in 3 seconds time. What I do mind is if I am supposed to be a ranged dps, my damage is peanuts compared to the other dps classes. I've kept good armour and saber to help buff the stats - if I get the first go against an enemy be it in PvE or PvP, I have to take twice as long to get near the same damage as my mirror class. I don't see that as being my fault.
Great vid man. Couldn't have explained it better myself. I'm curious if you have switched your Champ/BM mods out though. You can squeeze a little more power out if you do. Better mods can be found in PVE Columi items which are easily farmed from hard modes. Still won't give you burst, but just may dot that agent to death after he kills you :).
Can't get melee off them... yeah saw your other video where you had 2 CD's to get melee off you and you complained about it when not using them. I know as a human you try making these videos to make yourself feel somewhat superior. If you listen to yourself at all you try so hard and yet futile to make yourself superior. Everyone has counter's to ranged or melee of equal of greater opportunity. I'd love to see my gunslinger against any of your 50's. And thats just one of my chars.
Not OP?! HAHAHA. Oh man, as a 50 Operative this shit is just hilarious. If I see a sage that is anywhere above half health, I don't even bother trying to jump them. The moment I open up on them, they break my cc, throw my ass across the room and either heal to full or slam so many spells on me, I start to see God. Just to prove my theory, I rolled a Sage and am currently in the high 30s. I honestly don't know whether I should laugh or cry. I'm top 3 in damage ALWAYS. Not even trying.
@doxide Throw you accross the room? Chuckle @ that considering sages have the worst knockback in the game. BTW if you are an operative and you dont try to take out sages then I dont know why you pvp. We are your best shot at a burst kill. Maybe you just were not very good at keeping out of the spotlight as an operative.
@Diggitydizzave Yea exactly. That's got to be the problem. Operatives should all just learn to play. Never mind that they can barely break that god-bubble with a hidden strike critical. Never mind that any decent sage is going to trinket that crap right away. And as for you "horrible" knockback, are you high? From where I'm standing, it's every bit as effective as any other, especially on huttball which is 90% of the maps. But hey I'm not hating. I myself rerolled sage.
I'm fairly new to Sage and pvp in a general, I've been playing primarily as a healer but I have noticed that if I fail to kite effectively I just die. I am looking to do some effective dps in pvp and back when I played a wow warlock I would often throw out dots all over the place. Can sages effectively just throw instant dots to kill groups of enemies? Throwing dots in theory would pad the damage meters, is there any mechanical benefit to doing so (extra valor or something)?
@dragonslayer9x For us to effectively kite you really need all your talents. That is just a fact. I have a 50 sage healer and I have mastered LOS and disappearing into crowds. Dont rely on your slow and stun...they have long cooldowns and are easily countered with anti-kite spells that everyone has. Also remember that as a healer, priority 1 is you. Any good dps will switch targets to the guy attacking his healer. If he fails to switch he doesnt deserve your heals.
Actually sages/sorc do too much damage comparing how much utility, cc, they have. They are easiest class to play the moment and when you say you have no burst, thats just ridiculous sorry:P Instant 2k, 1,2k+ channeled every sec, after another instant aoe 3-4k while in bubble, aoe knockback, root, force speed, self heal, (dots heal also). Even our sage in the guild agrees they need a bloody huge nerf becouse they so OP at the moment. Also nice to see dps sages get the 5k healing medal in wz s...
@Guinden Wow, how many talent points did you get with your sage....last time I checked you get the following: Self heal/shitty dots OR Good dots w/shitty heals and a root OR 3-4k crits. Maybe you should show me your spec...cause I've been doin something wrong...
hey can you tell me whats the state of sorc in pvp especially 1v1, is any other class problem to take down, or with a proper gear and skilled you can take on anyone else as a sith sorc including operatives?
@Diggitydizzave unless you face alot of melee, which on my server the imperials are loaded down with assassins/warriors/sorcerers. Arsenal/Gunnery can be good againts an ok played sorc, but not so great against almost any melee. however you can go the shared tree spec and be better againts melee kiting wise but not so god against sorc/healers. the game is pretty balanced. i just wish they would give Commandos and merc bounty hunters an interrupt...
Ok, so how is the sage as a dps if anyone here is experienced? Which spec does the most dmg? Can they be compared against the sentinel or the shadows dmg??
@faction60 there can only be 1 reason why you would talk how sage aint as op as other classes. U dont want more players playing sage? :D Bcuz in this video all i can see is pwnage. Your pwning anyone who fights you in this video! Great job!
i love my 50 sage. i personally use the 0/13/28 spec (debating going back full balance for the extra dot/root), but i have to agree w/ this video 100%. we are a very strong class, but we are nowhere near op, its a matter of others learning wtf they're doing. our damage is only high if you let it be. train the sage/sorc, kick their casts, and break their bubble in 1-2attacks. once people learn to do the most simple things and stfu i'll be able to play my class in peace.
I love this vid very good and valid points bug I was wondering if you had any tips as a scoundrel to counter sages because as a scoundrel I find myself getting a good opening but then 4 seconds later I'm pinned and getting doted up I can't even attempt to get close and i am prevented from vanishing due to the periodic dots any tips on good ways to keep close to a sage?
Hey Faction. I'm pretty new to the old republic, and I'm also playing a Jedi Consular Sage. When I was looking online for some class guides and general PvP tips, I came across your videos. It's pretty cool, I cant wait to get up to 50 and be battlemaster and all that jazz. Anyway, thats not the point, but I noticed in this video you don't use Force Wave, the PBAoE Knockback. I find this ability pretty useful right before a Sever Force. Is this an optimal tactic, or does Force Wave take too long?
there is no point in listening to these guy. they probably got it from wow where as soon as you get killed by a good player you moan and moan about it like crazy until someone get tired of hearing it and nerfs it. even if its not op, just the players that cry about it cant handle their own characters.
I read that the sorc's equivalent of TK throw plus other spells have same lightning effect, therefore it looks like he or she is casting the same spell..
@faction60 i think ur right about 90% of what u say, when games are released the company knows what the hell there doing, its the players that go and fuck things up. anyway i would like to ask how u run so smoothly fps wise in warzones, i have a fairly up to date rig and im having massive problems with my FPS. shadows are turned off and the graphics are on high
We die if people get on us, if you die because someone gets on you, you're fuckin shit. You have a knockback a low cooldown high damage absorbing bubble, and a speed boost to GTFO.
All good points, except about the melee on a merc. Ive never had trouble with that outside of ops ccs. BH merc burst is huge, and it is really funny to watch melee people jiggle back and forth thinking that does something.
IS THERE A TGN DIRECTER THAT PLAYS A SNIPER OR A GUNSLINGER IN SWTOR? IF NOT, IS THERE ANOTHER CHANNEL THAT PUTS UP SNIPER OR GUNSLINGER SWTOR PVP WITH COMENTARY?
This video is so true. Everyone needs to get over themselves because this is one of the most balanced mmo's for pvp ever made. Certain classes fill certain niches. Sorc/Sage have tons of sustained damage while sniper or operative have burst damage.
I recently got my sorcerer to 50, and I have to say that yes, we are kind of overpowered.
Big numbers doesn't necessarily mean big damage, for instance force lightning on its own crits for about 1,000 or so depending on surge rating, but it hits once every second, and for most sorcerers it has no cooldown.
And this is our filler move, when you add 3 dots (if you're creeping terror) on top of that you're doing some pretty heavy, consistent damage, it's amazing even though it isn't bursty.
@faction60 Sarcasm isn't really helping your case :S
I currently don't have a significant amount of expertise, my gear is pretty crappy. 900-1000 is pretty standard with force lightning, against people with zero expertise in this video you were hitting as high as 1150, so :S
@halfahuman Sarcasm? I mean it's an undisputable fact that the ability doesn't crit for over 1k on equally geared/levelled players. 90% of the arguments in these comments are just people making up numbers. That says a lot about the PvP community in mmorpgs.
@faction60 You never showed your gear in this video but if you were hitting 1150 on 0 expertise players that at minimum you would be hitting 960 on players with the exact same amount of expertise as you, but that's assuming you were expertise capped at 20%. And if you were under the 20% cap then that means you would have no problem hitting for 1000 on equally geared players.
It's not an indisputable fact, you're showing in your own video that its entirely possible, and not even that hard to do
@faction60 And not to mention, one of your main points in this video is that surviving is all skill based...
I don't think i've ever met a person that had a remotely hard time strafing and rooting, you're making it out to be some incredibly hard thing, but most people can pick it up in a day or two. The only melee I have a remotely hard time against would be operatives.
Could you please stop acting like a pseudo elitist? The whole I'm better than everyone else argument gets old.
@faction60 I agree. To me sorcerer/sage are probably the most balance class when played right. People complain either due to they suck and getting kited or a sage/sorc gets the jump on them and they don't act. Sage does good dmg but has no burst so in pvp if that person is being healed or the sorc is spreading dmg of course they will be high on the dmg meter. A geared Jug imo can do more realistic dmg to kill.
sage/sorcerer damage is not low, with your spec you are more like a warlock, you do a lot of dot or sustained damage. What you should be saying is other classes burst higher. Regardless, sage damage IS good.
i only think that the shield is too strong, mabye lengthen the cooldown on it and and it would even out more, cause inquisitors survival allows them to live long enough to do the damage people complain about
@faction60 thx for the vid and immediate reply, that will help me im pvp against sages on my merc, cause sages and scoundrels are my biggest challenge
@faction60 but i would have to dis agree with you on the part about the smugglers and operatives, they are DEFINATLEY op. i jst came out of a bg where a lvl 39 smuggler killed me in about 3 seconds flat. i am a lvl 37 mercenary and i couldnt even touch him the 10 times he killed me unless i had my cc breaker up at the time, and even then i would only get him at half health with all my cooldowns and a healing pot. now that is just to strong, and it wasnt just lucky crits, he consistantly did this
@detoxon You can't die to an op or scoundrel in 3 seconds unless they are lvl 50 with full expertise gear, you have 0 expertise and low total hp (11k or so). Exaggeration is not an argument. You are making things up, period.
@faction60 it wasnt an exaggeration, i was at about 85% health and i was using my out of combat heal and then he opened on my and i was dead before the debilitate stun was off. and even if i trinketed the stun he would blind me, then get behind me and take another huge chunk of my health out, i could never get that guy below 50% health when he opened on me, if i caught him out of stealth at a distance i could beat him, but he killed me 10 times coming out of stealth and opening on me
All i can say is you talk about how human's are oblivious to the fact they suck. Well guess what you sound exactly like them. Based on your opinion you are right and there is no two ways about it it seems you are the very type of person that is oblivious and think you are pretty damn amazing at the game. Sound so stupid
Hey there,can you tell me your pc specs? It runs so smoothly even when is a bit crowded.I have an low-med pc with an decent video card but in warzones i have 15 fps and it's running so choppy,can't realy do a thing.Thanks in advance.
I can see that Faction has analyzed the sorc/sage class pretty well, he has gone over the weaknesses and strengths of the class and is for all intents and purposes correct. Sage/Sorcs are PAPER, if u focus them down and interrupt the channeled abilities you will notice that they get silenced for 4 seconds rendering them helpless except for the kiting skills of the player. Keep up the pvp videos Faction.
Extd. Also "good instants,slows, cc's, casts that tick fast but not hard" I wonder what class that resembles in wow, one that is almost unanimously respected as the most overpowered pvp class in world of warcraft, with very high attendance in all brackets. Frost Mage. Sage is a frost mage that can heal during a 4s range stun if they wish. If your target can not return the stun+heal combo they simply can not win. As healing in this game is crazy powerful even for non healing spec champions.
@devlin1991 Sage is a Frost Mage? What in the FUCK. Try Warlock or Shadow priest. I can't possibly think of a worse comparison. Frost Mages do a ton of burst damage and aren't dot or channel based in the slightest. Try again.
@devlin1991 Also sages can't heal effectively as DPS spec. You don't know what you're talking about. If anyone is ACTUALLY dumb enough to stun you and then waste the stun to heal themselves once for 2100, you should absolutely destroy them.
I agree with a lot of your points, but no you do not have LOW damage, if you had low damage you would not be showing strong with all the others classes, and would also not be considered by pve'ers in beta one of the highest sustained dps classes. Your classes energy mechanic requires virtually no thought, if a sniper "spams snipe" more than twice in a row, they drop into the "low energy pit of doom" and there damage is laughable from that point onwards due to super shit energy regen.
Wow dude,i hope your reading this.Please keep up with pvp videos and SWTOR videos in general,i cant find for shit any other players with beta experience who are lvl 50 and know what theyre actually doing ,know some basic spells of other classes such(your explaining and arguments are good).Coz i mean official launch starts pretty much 2 weeks ago and its so hard to sort out good info from trash.People played the game for 2 weeks and think they know EVERYTHING.Ty for videos,make more:)
Wow dude,i hope your reading this.Please keep up with pvp videos and SWTOR videos in general,i cant find for shit any other players with beta experience who are lvl 50 and know what theyre actually doing ,know some basic spells of other classes such(your explaining and arguments are good).Coz i mean official launch starts pretty much 2 weeks ago and its so hard to sort out good info from trash.People played the game for 2 weeks and think they know EVERYTHING.Ty for videos,make more:)
@faction60 You use no sources and no statistics to back up your claims and you only make the arguments that aid your claim. By doing this your video is nothing else than one guy's opinion, it holds no proven facts or truths.
Maybe you should try comparing sage abilities to their counterparts, force armor with defense screen (cd, absorb amount), telekinetic throw with speed shot (cd, damage, damage type), force stun vs dirty kick (range) and make arguments why sage deserves to have these
@liddantheone Also, once again, you're trying to make 0 context cross class comparisons. This is after you simply said "durr, you get 600 and we only get 100, wtf blizzard??" You're a retard.
@faction60 That is not at all what I said, you just made that up. Since you're only allowed 500 characters I can't really go into more detail than I did. I have played sage aswell as many of the other classes and I still believe that their mechanic is better than the usual. I've been nothing but polite and all you answer with is flaming. Shows that you have no facts behind your claims and that you just made the video to convince yourself and/or others that you're not playing an imbalanced class
@liddantheone You LITERALLY said "Why do Sages/Sorcs have 600 of their resource when other classes only have 100?" and left it at that. No mention of the fact that the energy based classes abilities just plain hit harder. No mention of the fact that ability costs are obviously entirely different. No mention of the fact that these classes have many skills that give them practically infinite resources in a PvP scenario.
@faction60 Obviously you don't know what literally means or how to properly quote somebody. You're right in that abilities generally cost more force than they cost energy, smugglers cost ~15-20 while sages ~30-35 for damaging abilities (~x1.75 cost). Energy regenerates at 5/s, 3/s or 2/s while force has a constant 8/s (x1.6 faster in ideal circumstances, x2.6 faster if below 60% energy). Smugglers generally have more dmg per second on their abilities and sages have more dmg per force on theirs.
agreeing on some of it. but what i seens is that you playin against bad players. if an other class just counter Cc your cc's you dead meat. you can't get away. you overload he interrup you, if you stun him well nothing really do to there, if you Force speed he can stun you/slow you, if you vs a sorc/sage you can just counter cc. and would be easy to kill em if they don't have healer on em.
Subscribed, awesome video, and the more I've played TK Sage the more I begin to learn how to assess a scenario and react accordingly. The classes aren't OP, and they don't need to be buffed or nerfed. The guy is right, if you die more than 10 times in a WZ, then you seriously need to take a step back and ask yourself- 'What is wrong here?', 'What can I do differently?'. I'm relatively new to MMOs but not games, and the principles of skill 'dictating a match' remain the same. Want more Sage Vids!
Man you are really stupid , it's not the damage that makes sorcs or sages OP , its their utility and CC compared to other classes and the broken resolve mechanics and no deminishing returns , if they fixed those , it wouldnt be such an issue that 80% of warzones are filled with inquis or consular ACS
Dude that is a great video. Its so true what you are saying about effective damage. I play a sith assassin. On paper i never do massive damage, but i do effective damage to people who will die, rather than just spaming every target on the map. Stunning and locking down someone so they can't stop a bomb being planted, thats what wins. Slowing and peeling the healer off the ball carrier, that wins. Hitting cappers wins. Lr2play is so true. I don't top meters, but i am affective.
Can you also explain why sages/sorcerers got a resource mechanic that is so much better than those of the other classes? For example gunslingers has big issues with this, you can go all out and do pretty sick burst damage with but once you're on low energy all you have is a 120 sec ability. What has the sage/sorc given up in comparison to many other classes to get the benefit of having a pool of up to 600 force while others have to make due with 100, 110 or 120?
@liddantheone It's worse than the other classes actually. We run out of our resource all the time, it has a fixed regen rate which is far lower than what we spend in pvp, while other classes have the option of simply throwing in a free attack every 3rd gcd and remaining neutral. You act like the other classes ability costs aren't balanced around their regen rates and their total resource pools. You're stupid for comparing 100 to 600 as if that's all there is to it.
@faction60 I think you're contradicting yourself actually. In the same comment you claim that a. it's better to have the "normal" mechanic and b. that it forces the other classes to use every third gcd for a free attack that does really poor damage. In a vast majority of the battles in this game you won't have time to spend the entire 600 force before having a chance to meditate. In your video you show yourself killing three people from max hp in a row without having to bother with regen at all.
@liddantheone I spend LITERALLY 70-80% of my time in combat with 0-50 force, being forced to spam only telekinetic throw for minutes at a time. Absolutely nothing is being contradicted at all. As I said, please go and watch my Mercenary video and watch me use like 10 spells in a row with no basic attacks without coming close to capping heat.
@faction60 I have seen it but that is beside the point tbh, that is one of the classes being talked about. Many classes have working energy-systems. I can't say about mercenary as I haven't tried it. I've seen you going 4vs1 with sage and killing two of them without going under 300 force then killing another two. While they weren't 50s I dare you to do this with any other character than sage or sorc.
@liddantheone Are you kidding me? ANY level 50 aside from Merc/commando or sniper/gunslinger should have absolutely 0 problems 1v4ing bad low level players in Warzones. Those 2 classes can't do it but it has NOTHING to do with their resource. Every other class can do it easily, much more easily than I can infact since I have to actually try.
@liddantheone You can also feel free to watch my DPS Mercenary videos, where you'll see that I never really come close to capping on heat, and if I ever do, Vent Heat is always up. It requires very, very little management for huge gain.
Well said, I play a 50 Balance Sage my self and you explained the spec perfectly. People just see we put up 300k+ damage each WZ and cry nerf, but a lot of it is just padding.
I think part of the reason people complain about this class is because of huttball They have more cc/utility then alot of other classes and there's usually 6 of them on one team in a game, so you spend alot of time getting cced by these classes.
I got another one tho.. If i remember correctly you told that merc's (which im leveling) are fucked when there being caught by melee classes... Is this true or does it depend on one's skilllevel?
@Montijin Powertechs do similar damage to sorcs, very similar actually especially as pyrotech. You have 1 big burst ability and then a bunch of lower damage abilities. Lots of scoreboard dmg.
The only issue I have with Sorcs/Sages is the slowing effect on TT/FL just seems too powerful at the moment, I think it could use some tuning but that's it really.
@Onflows Only hybrid spec that is viable is seer without going 31 pts or telekinetics getting presence of mind. Even then, full seer is still better and full balance is still better.
Oh..and keep up the vids! I learn tons from them! Quick question... I have a lvl 25 Powertech but I'm starting to wish I had gone Merc instead. Should I keep going with my Powertech to 50 or should I just restart with a Merc? I just regret not having any heals and I don't feel like I'm tanky enough to tank and that I don't do enough damage to be worth anything in PvP matches...
@alexpaviamusic The tanky melee become much much better at 50. At low levels you barely have any more health than most other classes, at 50 you will have 17-18k or more. This makes a massive difference, especially for Powertechs, Juggs and Marauders.
@faction60 Well said man!! And to the haters...u meet one good sage that owns u, and u start crying, instead of finding a way to counter their abilities etc...telling that its much harder to kill a sage than jugg....maybe...if u fight a SKILLED Sage...take for example WOW: a duel vs hunter as warr lasts TWICE as long then warr vs warr...and its much HARDER...why? cuz they KITE and CC u...thats wheir strenght as well as sorc and sages...get that in ur heads!
Thank you for the walkthrough! I would like you to go into detail on the melee aspect of the PvP. As Jedi Guardian (focus specced) I find it REALLY hard to actually cause damage and I get frequently destroyed/kited by ranged professions. What kind of advice would you give us melee players?
To clarify... I'm not trolling or anything. I know the damage potential of the class, I'm just curious on how to handle the melee vs ranged aspects. IE how to utilize the damage potential in a melee vs ranged situation. And that's what I was asking feedback about.
Hi faction been following your videos since late beta and its clearly obvious that you know what you are doing. I just dinged 50 on my Juggernaut a day ago and Ive been doing some pvp. Ive been going with vengence spec since that seemed to be the most popular opinion but ive been working on a hybrid tank/dps build. Im having a hard time deciding would you recommend a rage/immortal or veng/immortal? If you have any other pointers I would appreciate it.
@shelledfade Shelledfade I can't describe how excited I am at you becoming even more abrasive at the mention of Animeboys name. I may need to upload some of the videos of Animeboy vs Shelledfate to my youtube account.
At equal skill levels does a sage/sorc come out on top against other classes? Sorc/sage utility is directly linked to their survivability. When you consider it this way does the sorc/sage survivability combined together with their ability to deal damage seem a bit too strong? Which classes counter a well played sorc/sage?
Sage/sorc isn't OP. They are squishy with just a shield for a defensive cd,I can get thru their shields without much of a problem. They do have great sustained dmg, but no burst. Sure they are strong against melee that just means the melee needs to manage their cds really well and learn how to counter, aka l2p. to sum this all up, In every MMO where you have a squishy class that uses cc and kiting to survive and has no burst to speak of, just good sustained dmg people will call it OP. l2p noobs.
i cant tell if faction50 is trolling or or just incredibly stupid. Play a class like marauder and tell me that sorcs arent op. Horrible video and horrible perspective.
@Bandit11791 xD you are the same guy like cindberg1 rly play a sorc/sge yourself agaist a maurauder pls do it post a vid and tell us how easy it is to kill a maur with shieldwall and effin deff cds+charge and insane dot/burst dmg.. gl mate
@Bandit11791 I play Sentinel and we are a very strong class. Excellent single target damage / interrupts, excellent defensive cooldowns, solid self heals on dot ticks, insane group utility in warzones with Transcendence, possibly my favorite ability, and lets not forget about Force Camo. I can force leap into 5+ enemies and stay in the fight long beyond most classes. We have a mortal strike mechanic with Crippling Throw. I almost feel overpowered right now, people haven't l2p yet.
Faction you couldn't be more right. People hatting on you know nothing and just want to QQ as they must always be right. I'm glad someone had the balls to do a video like this. SENTINEL FTW.
Juggernaut or guardian comparisons have no place in an informative video, please learn how to form proper arguments. A single sage can top damage, healing, and defense by himself every warzone.
@clindberg1 Please learn how to form proper arguments. For example, Sages top defense every Warzone, even though it's impossible for a Sage to get defense, period. ROFL. You're exactly the type of player i'm talking about - you know nothing yet you insist on talking.
Sorcerers aren't as squishy as you make it out to be, your shields make you far more durable targets than either DPS Operatives or Assassins. My Assassin has more difficulty bursting down a Sorcerer than they do anything short of a tank or healer (or maybe a Marauder/DPS Jugg w/ full cooldowns).
@comerbp82 Shields absorb around 2-2.5k damage. I routinely break through them with a crit Project, which only crits for about 1800-2000. Assassins have a shield wall and a short cd full immunity. They are just fine for survivability and have it better than Sages easily.
If you have problems bursting a class just because they can pre-shield for 2k extra HP your problem definitely has nothing to do with the shield and you need to learn what defensive cds other classes get.
You might want to disable 'Deploy Holiday' from Tharan's action bar :P
TeKn0Tw1nZ 5 days ago
Whats your rotation and stat priority?
AMEArbiter 6 days ago
Hmm. Nice video. Opened my eyes really, I kinda knew what you were saying before but never could have explained it. How would you compare Telekinesis to Balance? Not only PvP but for leveling and PvE.
Subbed :D Waiting for more vids
MegaCrem 1 week ago
can you tell me how you cast force in balance without using the mouse to place it? thanks, im bad with that kind of thing
feedthefirex45 2 weeks ago
DONT NERF ME BRO
CautionCU 2 weeks ago
To add to my last post - I am at this moment a level 40 Sage with points in the Telekinetic tree with emphasis on critcal damage and reducing the amount I take. Even if I hurl the kitchen sink of all the right Force powers (in suggested rotations from people who know more than me) be it at low level or same level I don't even scratch them. I can take being poor at this game, I still have fun, I would appreciate to be able to do more damage, that is all! :D
Oromasdes008 3 weeks ago
I dmit it, I am a very bad player, I barely know what I am doing. I don't mind. I don't mind being stealthed, stunned and 1 shot ganked in 3 seconds time. What I do mind is if I am supposed to be a ranged dps, my damage is peanuts compared to the other dps classes. I've kept good armour and saber to help buff the stats - if I get the first go against an enemy be it in PvE or PvP, I have to take twice as long to get near the same damage as my mirror class. I don't see that as being my fault.
Oromasdes008 3 weeks ago
Great vid man. Couldn't have explained it better myself. I'm curious if you have switched your Champ/BM mods out though. You can squeeze a little more power out if you do. Better mods can be found in PVE Columi items which are easily farmed from hard modes. Still won't give you burst, but just may dot that agent to death after he kills you :).
Diggitydizzave 4 weeks ago
"we are fragile" - glass cannon, I know term escapes your grasp. Thus why you have the ability to kite, durrrrrr.
And I agree. I am tired of complete idiots talking, you are one of them. Don't be mad kid.
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And sage's/sorcs have high dmg if used right. You haven't used it right if you think otherwise. I can easily counter your kiting.
Lokim23 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Can't get melee off them... yeah saw your other video where you had 2 CD's to get melee off you and you complained about it when not using them. I know as a human you try making these videos to make yourself feel somewhat superior. If you listen to yourself at all you try so hard and yet futile to make yourself superior. Everyone has counter's to ranged or melee of equal of greater opportunity. I'd love to see my gunslinger against any of your 50's. And thats just one of my chars.
Lokim23 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
other clases can do more burst? give me a second...
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You sir are a moron.
Dabutwo 4 weeks ago
2:44 hey! I find that offensive! im a people
SuckasBeTripn 4 weeks ago
Not OP?! HAHAHA. Oh man, as a 50 Operative this shit is just hilarious. If I see a sage that is anywhere above half health, I don't even bother trying to jump them. The moment I open up on them, they break my cc, throw my ass across the room and either heal to full or slam so many spells on me, I start to see God. Just to prove my theory, I rolled a Sage and am currently in the high 30s. I honestly don't know whether I should laugh or cry. I'm top 3 in damage ALWAYS. Not even trying.
doxide 1 month ago
@doxide Throw you accross the room? Chuckle @ that considering sages have the worst knockback in the game. BTW if you are an operative and you dont try to take out sages then I dont know why you pvp. We are your best shot at a burst kill. Maybe you just were not very good at keeping out of the spotlight as an operative.
Diggitydizzave 4 weeks ago
@Diggitydizzave Yea exactly. That's got to be the problem. Operatives should all just learn to play. Never mind that they can barely break that god-bubble with a hidden strike critical. Never mind that any decent sage is going to trinket that crap right away. And as for you "horrible" knockback, are you high? From where I'm standing, it's every bit as effective as any other, especially on huttball which is 90% of the maps. But hey I'm not hating. I myself rerolled sage.
doxide 4 weeks ago
I'm fairly new to Sage and pvp in a general, I've been playing primarily as a healer but I have noticed that if I fail to kite effectively I just die. I am looking to do some effective dps in pvp and back when I played a wow warlock I would often throw out dots all over the place. Can sages effectively just throw instant dots to kill groups of enemies? Throwing dots in theory would pad the damage meters, is there any mechanical benefit to doing so (extra valor or something)?
dragonslayer9x 1 month ago
@dragonslayer9x For us to effectively kite you really need all your talents. That is just a fact. I have a 50 sage healer and I have mastered LOS and disappearing into crowds. Dont rely on your slow and stun...they have long cooldowns and are easily countered with anti-kite spells that everyone has. Also remember that as a healer, priority 1 is you. Any good dps will switch targets to the guy attacking his healer. If he fails to switch he doesnt deserve your heals.
Diggitydizzave 4 weeks ago
Actually sages/sorc do too much damage comparing how much utility, cc, they have. They are easiest class to play the moment and when you say you have no burst, thats just ridiculous sorry:P Instant 2k, 1,2k+ channeled every sec, after another instant aoe 3-4k while in bubble, aoe knockback, root, force speed, self heal, (dots heal also). Even our sage in the guild agrees they need a bloody huge nerf becouse they so OP at the moment. Also nice to see dps sages get the 5k healing medal in wz s...
Guinden 1 month ago
@Guinden Wow, how many talent points did you get with your sage....last time I checked you get the following: Self heal/shitty dots OR Good dots w/shitty heals and a root OR 3-4k crits. Maybe you should show me your spec...cause I've been doin something wrong...
Diggitydizzave 4 weeks ago
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hey can you tell me whats the state of sorc in pvp especially 1v1, is any other class problem to take down, or with a proper gear and skilled you can take on anyone else as a sith sorc including operatives?
Stefanuslol 1 month ago
Hey Faction :) Nice of you presenting your class. I'll check it out hoping for some tips to anihilate more easily your comrades ^_^ Take care.
kevinsephiroth 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@kevinsephiroth Want to anihilate? Roll tracer missile bounty hunter....
Diggitydizzave 4 weeks ago
@Diggitydizzave unless you face alot of melee, which on my server the imperials are loaded down with assassins/warriors/sorcerers. Arsenal/Gunnery can be good againts an ok played sorc, but not so great against almost any melee. however you can go the shared tree spec and be better againts melee kiting wise but not so god against sorc/healers. the game is pretty balanced. i just wish they would give Commandos and merc bounty hunters an interrupt...
Cataclysmxprot 2 weeks ago
Ok, so how is the sage as a dps if anyone here is experienced? Which spec does the most dmg? Can they be compared against the sentinel or the shadows dmg??
Diablofanies 1 month ago
@faction60 there can only be 1 reason why you would talk how sage aint as op as other classes. U dont want more players playing sage? :D Bcuz in this video all i can see is pwnage. Your pwning anyone who fights you in this video! Great job!
Diablofanies 1 month ago
@Diablofanies Its because everyone in this vid he's fighting are baddies. he even says that.
Nastrik 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
i love my 50 sage. i personally use the 0/13/28 spec (debating going back full balance for the extra dot/root), but i have to agree w/ this video 100%. we are a very strong class, but we are nowhere near op, its a matter of others learning wtf they're doing. our damage is only high if you let it be. train the sage/sorc, kick their casts, and break their bubble in 1-2attacks. once people learn to do the most simple things and stfu i'll be able to play my class in peace.
TheCrimsonChin91 1 month ago
I love this vid very good and valid points bug I was wondering if you had any tips as a scoundrel to counter sages because as a scoundrel I find myself getting a good opening but then 4 seconds later I'm pinned and getting doted up I can't even attempt to get close and i am prevented from vanishing due to the periodic dots any tips on good ways to keep close to a sage?
bark2131 1 month ago
GOOD movie mate . nice to see that someone puts some effort in to try to explain to all the idiots that mouth off and say we play an op class.
korvkanon 1 month ago
Hey Faction. I'm pretty new to the old republic, and I'm also playing a Jedi Consular Sage. When I was looking online for some class guides and general PvP tips, I came across your videos. It's pretty cool, I cant wait to get up to 50 and be battlemaster and all that jazz. Anyway, thats not the point, but I noticed in this video you don't use Force Wave, the PBAoE Knockback. I find this ability pretty useful right before a Sever Force. Is this an optimal tactic, or does Force Wave take too long?
MaybellaGinger 1 month ago
there is no point in listening to these guy. they probably got it from wow where as soon as you get killed by a good player you moan and moan about it like crazy until someone get tired of hearing it and nerfs it. even if its not op, just the players that cry about it cant handle their own characters.
Emilaset 1 month ago
I read that the sorc's equivalent of TK throw plus other spells have same lightning effect, therefore it looks like he or she is casting the same spell..
nimrod98 1 month ago
@faction60 i think ur right about 90% of what u say, when games are released the company knows what the hell there doing, its the players that go and fuck things up. anyway i would like to ask how u run so smoothly fps wise in warzones, i have a fairly up to date rig and im having massive problems with my FPS. shadows are turned off and the graphics are on high
but everything else is fine. any suggestions :D?
shean64 1 month ago
We die if people get on us, if you die because someone gets on you, you're fuckin shit. You have a knockback a low cooldown high damage absorbing bubble, and a speed boost to GTFO.
klaridon 1 month ago
Finally someone who gets it. This guy is completly right.
Damdemdam 1 month ago
@Damdemdam This guy is a douche and is hated by so many, because he's a douche.
klaridon 1 month ago
All good points, except about the melee on a merc. Ive never had trouble with that outside of ops ccs. BH merc burst is huge, and it is really funny to watch melee people jiggle back and forth thinking that does something.
murphysborounderdark 1 month ago
faction has very valid points
JHPalin 1 month ago
i used to think sages/sorcerers were over powered, then i played a sniper...
detoxon 1 month ago
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IS THERE A TGN DIRECTER THAT PLAYS A SNIPER OR A GUNSLINGER IN SWTOR? IF NOT, IS THERE ANOTHER CHANNEL THAT PUTS UP SNIPER OR GUNSLINGER SWTOR PVP WITH COMENTARY?
detoxon 1 month ago
Yay someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
Firezap14 1 month ago
Are you being touched by your family, you sound like a pedo
RaedonPoV 1 month ago
This video is so true. Everyone needs to get over themselves because this is one of the most balanced mmo's for pvp ever made. Certain classes fill certain niches. Sorc/Sage have tons of sustained damage while sniper or operative have burst damage.
outsideslammer 1 month ago in playlist More videos from faction60
About what you were saying before about rage and focus warriors are great dpsers in PvP do you stand by that this far into the game.
theBOSSofBOSS11 1 month ago
I recently got my sorcerer to 50, and I have to say that yes, we are kind of overpowered.
Big numbers doesn't necessarily mean big damage, for instance force lightning on its own crits for about 1,000 or so depending on surge rating, but it hits once every second, and for most sorcerers it has no cooldown.
And this is our filler move, when you add 3 dots (if you're creeping terror) on top of that you're doing some pretty heavy, consistent damage, it's amazing even though it isn't bursty.
halfahuman 1 month ago
@halfahuman Hey guys, check out my damage numbers against 0 expertise players.
faction60 1 month ago
@faction60 Sarcasm isn't really helping your case :S
I currently don't have a significant amount of expertise, my gear is pretty crappy. 900-1000 is pretty standard with force lightning, against people with zero expertise in this video you were hitting as high as 1150, so :S
halfahuman 1 month ago
@halfahuman Sarcasm? I mean it's an undisputable fact that the ability doesn't crit for over 1k on equally geared/levelled players. 90% of the arguments in these comments are just people making up numbers. That says a lot about the PvP community in mmorpgs.
faction60 1 month ago
@faction60 You never showed your gear in this video but if you were hitting 1150 on 0 expertise players that at minimum you would be hitting 960 on players with the exact same amount of expertise as you, but that's assuming you were expertise capped at 20%. And if you were under the 20% cap then that means you would have no problem hitting for 1000 on equally geared players.
It's not an indisputable fact, you're showing in your own video that its entirely possible, and not even that hard to do
halfahuman 1 month ago
@faction60 And not to mention, one of your main points in this video is that surviving is all skill based...
I don't think i've ever met a person that had a remotely hard time strafing and rooting, you're making it out to be some incredibly hard thing, but most people can pick it up in a day or two. The only melee I have a remotely hard time against would be operatives.
Could you please stop acting like a pseudo elitist? The whole I'm better than everyone else argument gets old.
halfahuman 1 month ago
@faction60 I agree. To me sorcerer/sage are probably the most balance class when played right. People complain either due to they suck and getting kited or a sage/sorc gets the jump on them and they don't act. Sage does good dmg but has no burst so in pvp if that person is being healed or the sorc is spreading dmg of course they will be high on the dmg meter. A geared Jug imo can do more realistic dmg to kill.
shottymagoo1 1 month ago
sage/sorcerer damage is not low, with your spec you are more like a warlock, you do a lot of dot or sustained damage. What you should be saying is other classes burst higher. Regardless, sage damage IS good.
Psycho255 2 months ago
@Psycho255 Everything explained to you right there and you still post this.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60
Actually, he's correct. There's a difference between having low "damage" and low "burst". Sage damage is not low.
AntitheistPOV 3 weeks ago
great vid man im tryin to learn about sages as i level mine keep the vids comin!
xXxXxXxHitmanxXxXxXx 2 months ago
i only think that the shield is too strong, mabye lengthen the cooldown on it and and it would even out more, cause inquisitors survival allows them to live long enough to do the damage people complain about
detoxon 2 months ago
@detoxon the shield absorbs less than 2500 damage on a 20 second cooldown
that's 1 hit from a multitude of spammable or low cooldown basic rotation abilities
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 thx for the vid and immediate reply, that will help me im pvp against sages on my merc, cause sages and scoundrels are my biggest challenge
detoxon 2 months ago
@faction60 but i would have to dis agree with you on the part about the smugglers and operatives, they are DEFINATLEY op. i jst came out of a bg where a lvl 39 smuggler killed me in about 3 seconds flat. i am a lvl 37 mercenary and i couldnt even touch him the 10 times he killed me unless i had my cc breaker up at the time, and even then i would only get him at half health with all my cooldowns and a healing pot. now that is just to strong, and it wasnt just lucky crits, he consistantly did this
detoxon 2 months ago
@detoxon You can't die to an op or scoundrel in 3 seconds unless they are lvl 50 with full expertise gear, you have 0 expertise and low total hp (11k or so). Exaggeration is not an argument. You are making things up, period.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 it wasnt an exaggeration, i was at about 85% health and i was using my out of combat heal and then he opened on my and i was dead before the debilitate stun was off. and even if i trinketed the stun he would blind me, then get behind me and take another huge chunk of my health out, i could never get that guy below 50% health when he opened on me, if i caught him out of stealth at a distance i could beat him, but he killed me 10 times coming out of stealth and opening on me
detoxon 2 months ago
@detoxon Completely impossible. Keep posting more impossible scenarios if you like, i'm not replying to them anymore though.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 wow, okay, sorry if i upset you or anything, ill just stop then
detoxon 2 months ago
All i can say is you talk about how human's are oblivious to the fact they suck. Well guess what you sound exactly like them. Based on your opinion you are right and there is no two ways about it it seems you are the very type of person that is oblivious and think you are pretty damn amazing at the game. Sound so stupid
Coootane 2 months ago
@Coootane Yep I sure don't know anything about this game.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 i just think if that shield was on a little longer cool down, that would stop alot of the complaining
detoxon 2 months ago
Hey there,can you tell me your pc specs? It runs so smoothly even when is a bit crowded.I have an low-med pc with an decent video card but in warzones i have 15 fps and it's running so choppy,can't realy do a thing.Thanks in advance.
mi3zul 2 months ago
I can see that Faction has analyzed the sorc/sage class pretty well, he has gone over the weaknesses and strengths of the class and is for all intents and purposes correct. Sage/Sorcs are PAPER, if u focus them down and interrupt the channeled abilities you will notice that they get silenced for 4 seconds rendering them helpless except for the kiting skills of the player. Keep up the pvp videos Faction.
Brazoul 2 months ago
sage is a OP. everybody know about it. show BH or trooper frag's movie.
maxiwo001 2 months ago
@maxiwo001 me rus)))
faction60 2 months ago 2
@faction60 u are cheater :) when do u upload movie of your deaths? XD
maxiwo001 2 months ago
spec pls :)
nice vid
CKallab 2 months ago
And I'm a pretty trash player overall.
ubrs1138 2 months ago
I agree with the video Faction made. I've destroyed a few sages with my immortal juggernaut pretty easily.
ubrs1138 2 months ago
Not bad :) Great vid dood!
Punkerrox18 2 months ago
Extd. Also "good instants,slows, cc's, casts that tick fast but not hard" I wonder what class that resembles in wow, one that is almost unanimously respected as the most overpowered pvp class in world of warcraft, with very high attendance in all brackets. Frost Mage. Sage is a frost mage that can heal during a 4s range stun if they wish. If your target can not return the stun+heal combo they simply can not win. As healing in this game is crazy powerful even for non healing spec champions.
devlin1991 2 months ago
@devlin1991 Sage is a Frost Mage? What in the FUCK. Try Warlock or Shadow priest. I can't possibly think of a worse comparison. Frost Mages do a ton of burst damage and aren't dot or channel based in the slightest. Try again.
faction60 2 months ago 2
@devlin1991 Also sages can't heal effectively as DPS spec. You don't know what you're talking about. If anyone is ACTUALLY dumb enough to stun you and then waste the stun to heal themselves once for 2100, you should absolutely destroy them.
faction60 2 months ago
I agree with a lot of your points, but no you do not have LOW damage, if you had low damage you would not be showing strong with all the others classes, and would also not be considered by pve'ers in beta one of the highest sustained dps classes. Your classes energy mechanic requires virtually no thought, if a sniper "spams snipe" more than twice in a row, they drop into the "low energy pit of doom" and there damage is laughable from that point onwards due to super shit energy regen.
devlin1991 2 months ago
retarded youtube bugged ,sorry -.-
MuThFckR 2 months ago
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Wow dude,i hope your reading this.Please keep up with pvp videos and SWTOR videos in general,i cant find for shit any other players with beta experience who are lvl 50 and know what theyre actually doing ,know some basic spells of other classes such(your explaining and arguments are good).Coz i mean official launch starts pretty much 2 weeks ago and its so hard to sort out good info from trash.People played the game for 2 weeks and think they know EVERYTHING.Ty for videos,make more:)
MuThFckR 2 months ago
Wow dude,i hope your reading this.Please keep up with pvp videos and SWTOR videos in general,i cant find for shit any other players with beta experience who are lvl 50 and know what theyre actually doing ,know some basic spells of other classes such(your explaining and arguments are good).Coz i mean official launch starts pretty much 2 weeks ago and its so hard to sort out good info from trash.People played the game for 2 weeks and think they know EVERYTHING.Ty for videos,make more:)
MuThFckR 2 months ago
Do you have a guild and can i join it and what sever where you on?
AfflitionDriud 2 months ago in playlist More videos from faction60
@faction60 You use no sources and no statistics to back up your claims and you only make the arguments that aid your claim. By doing this your video is nothing else than one guy's opinion, it holds no proven facts or truths.
Maybe you should try comparing sage abilities to their counterparts, force armor with defense screen (cd, absorb amount), telekinetic throw with speed shot (cd, damage, damage type), force stun vs dirty kick (range) and make arguments why sage deserves to have these
liddantheone 2 months ago
@liddantheone Also, once again, you're trying to make 0 context cross class comparisons. This is after you simply said "durr, you get 600 and we only get 100, wtf blizzard??" You're a retard.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 That is not at all what I said, you just made that up. Since you're only allowed 500 characters I can't really go into more detail than I did. I have played sage aswell as many of the other classes and I still believe that their mechanic is better than the usual. I've been nothing but polite and all you answer with is flaming. Shows that you have no facts behind your claims and that you just made the video to convince yourself and/or others that you're not playing an imbalanced class
liddantheone 2 months ago 12
@liddantheone You LITERALLY said "Why do Sages/Sorcs have 600 of their resource when other classes only have 100?" and left it at that. No mention of the fact that the energy based classes abilities just plain hit harder. No mention of the fact that ability costs are obviously entirely different. No mention of the fact that these classes have many skills that give them practically infinite resources in a PvP scenario.
I would rape you on any class btw.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 Obviously you don't know what literally means or how to properly quote somebody. You're right in that abilities generally cost more force than they cost energy, smugglers cost ~15-20 while sages ~30-35 for damaging abilities (~x1.75 cost). Energy regenerates at 5/s, 3/s or 2/s while force has a constant 8/s (x1.6 faster in ideal circumstances, x2.6 faster if below 60% energy). Smugglers generally have more dmg per second on their abilities and sages have more dmg per force on theirs.
liddantheone 2 months ago
agreeing on some of it. but what i seens is that you playin against bad players. if an other class just counter Cc your cc's you dead meat. you can't get away. you overload he interrup you, if you stun him well nothing really do to there, if you Force speed he can stun you/slow you, if you vs a sorc/sage you can just counter cc. and would be easy to kill em if they don't have healer on em.
Slainby 2 months ago
I completely agree with you mate, just frustrating to see people not understanding this.
ayronamic 2 months ago
Agree with what your saying.
I was wondering if you've tried out 0/23/18 at all on your sage or if you had any thoughts on the build?
deadlyfish2 2 months ago
Subscribed, awesome video, and the more I've played TK Sage the more I begin to learn how to assess a scenario and react accordingly. The classes aren't OP, and they don't need to be buffed or nerfed. The guy is right, if you die more than 10 times in a WZ, then you seriously need to take a step back and ask yourself- 'What is wrong here?', 'What can I do differently?'. I'm relatively new to MMOs but not games, and the principles of skill 'dictating a match' remain the same. Want more Sage Vids!
SonofScary91 2 months ago
Man you are really stupid , it's not the damage that makes sorcs or sages OP , its their utility and CC compared to other classes and the broken resolve mechanics and no deminishing returns , if they fixed those , it wouldnt be such an issue that 80% of warzones are filled with inquis or consular ACS
chunchoe 2 months ago
Good video, but you can't let the haters get to you. Haters gonna hate.
Sarephim 2 months ago
Dude that is a great video. Its so true what you are saying about effective damage. I play a sith assassin. On paper i never do massive damage, but i do effective damage to people who will die, rather than just spaming every target on the map. Stunning and locking down someone so they can't stop a bomb being planted, thats what wins. Slowing and peeling the healer off the ball carrier, that wins. Hitting cappers wins. Lr2play is so true. I don't top meters, but i am affective.
wraithaur 2 months ago
They are overpowered there's no denying it.
iRLGreg 2 months ago
@iRLGreg What a fantastic argument.
faction60 2 months ago 2
Can you also explain why sages/sorcerers got a resource mechanic that is so much better than those of the other classes? For example gunslingers has big issues with this, you can go all out and do pretty sick burst damage with but once you're on low energy all you have is a 120 sec ability. What has the sage/sorc given up in comparison to many other classes to get the benefit of having a pool of up to 600 force while others have to make due with 100, 110 or 120?
liddantheone 2 months ago
@liddantheone It's worse than the other classes actually. We run out of our resource all the time, it has a fixed regen rate which is far lower than what we spend in pvp, while other classes have the option of simply throwing in a free attack every 3rd gcd and remaining neutral. You act like the other classes ability costs aren't balanced around their regen rates and their total resource pools. You're stupid for comparing 100 to 600 as if that's all there is to it.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 I think you're contradicting yourself actually. In the same comment you claim that a. it's better to have the "normal" mechanic and b. that it forces the other classes to use every third gcd for a free attack that does really poor damage. In a vast majority of the battles in this game you won't have time to spend the entire 600 force before having a chance to meditate. In your video you show yourself killing three people from max hp in a row without having to bother with regen at all.
liddantheone 2 months ago
@liddantheone I spend LITERALLY 70-80% of my time in combat with 0-50 force, being forced to spam only telekinetic throw for minutes at a time. Absolutely nothing is being contradicted at all. As I said, please go and watch my Mercenary video and watch me use like 10 spells in a row with no basic attacks without coming close to capping heat.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 I have seen it but that is beside the point tbh, that is one of the classes being talked about. Many classes have working energy-systems. I can't say about mercenary as I haven't tried it. I've seen you going 4vs1 with sage and killing two of them without going under 300 force then killing another two. While they weren't 50s I dare you to do this with any other character than sage or sorc.
liddantheone 2 months ago
@liddantheone Are you kidding me? ANY level 50 aside from Merc/commando or sniper/gunslinger should have absolutely 0 problems 1v4ing bad low level players in Warzones. Those 2 classes can't do it but it has NOTHING to do with their resource. Every other class can do it easily, much more easily than I can infact since I have to actually try.
faction60 2 months ago
@liddantheone You can also feel free to watch my DPS Mercenary videos, where you'll see that I never really come close to capping on heat, and if I ever do, Vent Heat is always up. It requires very, very little management for huge gain.
faction60 2 months ago
This video has so much truth in it. People will come to realize that SWTOR is actually really well balanced. ^_^
aCblol 2 months ago
Well said, I play a 50 Balance Sage my self and you explained the spec perfectly. People just see we put up 300k+ damage each WZ and cry nerf, but a lot of it is just padding.
Lorthor 2 months ago
I think part of the reason people complain about this class is because of huttball They have more cc/utility then alot of other classes and there's usually 6 of them on one team in a game, so you spend alot of time getting cced by these classes.
Sittinonchrome100 2 months ago
that a north american/australian accent?
TheItchyFetus 2 months ago
@faction60 thanks for your answer.
I got another one tho.. If i remember correctly you told that merc's (which im leveling) are fucked when there being caught by melee classes... Is this true or does it depend on one's skilllevel?
Onflows 2 months ago
Nice video, learned some stuff about sorc/sage for sure. But I still stand by that I've never seen a Merc out damage my pyrotech powertech! =P Cheers
Montijin 2 months ago
@Montijin Powertechs do similar damage to sorcs, very similar actually especially as pyrotech. You have 1 big burst ability and then a bunch of lower damage abilities. Lots of scoreboard dmg.
faction60 2 months ago
The only issue I have with Sorcs/Sages is the slowing effect on TT/FL just seems too powerful at the moment, I think it could use some tuning but that's it really.
miasmasan 2 months ago
Faction, hybride specs viable?
Onflows 2 months ago
@Onflows Only hybrid spec that is viable is seer without going 31 pts or telekinetics getting presence of mind. Even then, full seer is still better and full balance is still better.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 bro can you post up the spec you're running?
TheMrCial 2 months ago
2:38 NO! NOT LADY GAGA!
Oh..and keep up the vids! I learn tons from them! Quick question... I have a lvl 25 Powertech but I'm starting to wish I had gone Merc instead. Should I keep going with my Powertech to 50 or should I just restart with a Merc? I just regret not having any heals and I don't feel like I'm tanky enough to tank and that I don't do enough damage to be worth anything in PvP matches...
Thanks!
alexpaviamusic 2 months ago
@alexpaviamusic The tanky melee become much much better at 50. At low levels you barely have any more health than most other classes, at 50 you will have 17-18k or more. This makes a massive difference, especially for Powertechs, Juggs and Marauders.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 Ah good to hear haha. I'll stick with my PT now :D What server do you play on? Probably a non-US one, huh
alexpaviamusic 2 months ago
@MacGyver303030 Good. People who can't handle having it told like it is need not apply.
faction60 2 months ago
Still, baddies will still whine about sorcerers/sages.
It's a nerf war after all.
oulahop 2 months ago
Good stuff m8, keep on coming with the vids!
Would like to know your opinion about hybride specs, are they viable or is it not an option!
Greetz
Onflows 2 months ago
So...if anyone disagrees with you, they get blocked from your channel? Yeah, that's the way to prove folks wrong! That'll show em! -.-
RavenGlenn 2 months ago
@faction60 Well said man!! And to the haters...u meet one good sage that owns u, and u start crying, instead of finding a way to counter their abilities etc...telling that its much harder to kill a sage than jugg....maybe...if u fight a SKILLED Sage...take for example WOW: a duel vs hunter as warr lasts TWICE as long then warr vs warr...and its much HARDER...why? cuz they KITE and CC u...thats wheir strenght as well as sorc and sages...get that in ur heads!
kamysale 2 months ago
I have 20-30fps on warzone:( My pc isnt bad...
kazikosky12345 2 months ago
unsubbed...kkthxbb
Orren1234 2 months ago
Good troll. You might not have the biggest burst, but your sustained damage is very high.
cybernetics 2 months ago
Thank you for the walkthrough! I would like you to go into detail on the melee aspect of the PvP. As Jedi Guardian (focus specced) I find it REALLY hard to actually cause damage and I get frequently destroyed/kited by ranged professions. What kind of advice would you give us melee players?
milu40 2 months ago
To clarify... I'm not trolling or anything. I know the damage potential of the class, I'm just curious on how to handle the melee vs ranged aspects. IE how to utilize the damage potential in a melee vs ranged situation. And that's what I was asking feedback about.
milu40 2 months ago
btw my level 30 powertech is doing 300k damage in a good game.
dardi16 2 months ago
the probem with sorcs and sages is that they have shields, CC, constant damage ( dots), knockbacks, healing, sprint and dps cooldowns......
dardi16 2 months ago
@dardi16 watch out for those dps cooldowns (there aren't any) and "healing" with 2.5 second casts for 2100 in full expertise gear
faction60 2 months ago
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Hi faction been following your videos since late beta and its clearly obvious that you know what you are doing. I just dinged 50 on my Juggernaut a day ago and Ive been doing some pvp. Ive been going with vengence spec since that seemed to be the most popular opinion but ive been working on a hybrid tank/dps build. Im having a hard time deciding would you recommend a rage/immortal or veng/immortal? If you have any other pointers I would appreciate it.
Keep up the good work.
Liljekrantz 2 months ago
wtb first balance patch in hopes that assassin wont be shit anymore
extinction1337 2 months ago
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Liljekrantz 2 months ago
THANK YOU!!!! Thank you so much for this video.
faytisurdstny 2 months ago
HOW TO KILL JEDI SAGE BY BOUNTY HUNTER ???
maxiwo001 2 months ago
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shelledfade 2 months ago
your voice is annoying, it's douchebaggish.
shelledfade 2 months ago
@shelledfade Oh MY GOD. IS THIS THE SHELLEDFADE?
ANIMEBOY SAYS HI
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 no really, you sound like a douchebag homo.
shelledfade 2 months ago
@shelledfade Shelledfade I can't describe how excited I am at you becoming even more abrasive at the mention of Animeboys name. I may need to upload some of the videos of Animeboy vs Shelledfate to my youtube account.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 so people can watch me rape you? Go for it, please do.
shelledfade 2 months ago
@shelledfade Shelledfade whispers: seriously dude
Shelledfade whispers: stop following us you hacker fuck
Shelledfade whispers: I will have you banned
Shelledfade whispers: I am not fucking around, bitch.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 where's the video of me raping you? I want to watch my handy work.
shelledfade 2 months ago
@shelledfade I still am completely amazed at the coincidence of you showing up here. You bring back so many fond memories. Thank you so much.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 no problem. I always enjoy running into people I've owned in the past.
shelledfade 2 months ago
Pretty arrogant talking. But i agree, Sage's aren't really OP. Ever fought against a Guardian with Gear? Scary as hell.
Donvito293 2 months ago
At equal skill levels does a sage/sorc come out on top against other classes? Sorc/sage utility is directly linked to their survivability. When you consider it this way does the sorc/sage survivability combined together with their ability to deal damage seem a bit too strong? Which classes counter a well played sorc/sage?
chemykl 2 months ago
@chemykl 1v1. useless, irrelevent.
faction60 2 months ago
@faction60 well what if I am a human who thinks he is the best at being awful. what now? =P
XovoFactor 2 months ago
Sage/sorc isn't OP. They are squishy with just a shield for a defensive cd,I can get thru their shields without much of a problem. They do have great sustained dmg, but no burst. Sure they are strong against melee that just means the melee needs to manage their cds really well and learn how to counter, aka l2p. to sum this all up, In every MMO where you have a squishy class that uses cc and kiting to survive and has no burst to speak of, just good sustained dmg people will call it OP. l2p noobs.
Anthrawn 2 months ago
Nice vid faction...keep it up!
supermannyg3 2 months ago
i cant tell if faction50 is trolling or or just incredibly stupid. Play a class like marauder and tell me that sorcs arent op. Horrible video and horrible perspective.
Bandit11791 2 months ago
@Bandit11791 xD you are the same guy like cindberg1 rly play a sorc/sge yourself agaist a maurauder pls do it post a vid and tell us how easy it is to kill a maur with shieldwall and effin deff cds+charge and insane dot/burst dmg.. gl mate
slappedup 2 months ago
@Bandit11791 I played a class like Marauder. It's called Sentinel. You're bad at it.
faction60 2 months ago
@Bandit11791 I play Sentinel and we are a very strong class. Excellent single target damage / interrupts, excellent defensive cooldowns, solid self heals on dot ticks, insane group utility in warzones with Transcendence, possibly my favorite ability, and lets not forget about Force Camo. I can force leap into 5+ enemies and stay in the fight long beyond most classes. We have a mortal strike mechanic with Crippling Throw. I almost feel overpowered right now, people haven't l2p yet.
standelicious 2 months ago
When you see sorcs/sages getting healing score in wz its basically from throwing bubbles on teammates. I have no idea why that counts as healing
itsame32 2 months ago
@itsame32 because it's effectively the same thing.
comerbp82 2 months ago
Nice
savadious 2 months ago
Faction you couldn't be more right. People hatting on you know nothing and just want to QQ as they must always be right. I'm glad someone had the balls to do a video like this. SENTINEL FTW.
crottysc 2 months ago
You are very right, man. Good video.
Donatti 2 months ago
Hey Faction can you post a link to your spec via Torhead or something?
TheMrCial 2 months ago
Juggernaut or guardian comparisons have no place in an informative video, please learn how to form proper arguments. A single sage can top damage, healing, and defense by himself every warzone.
clindberg1 2 months ago
@clindberg1 Please learn how to form proper arguments. For example, Sages top defense every Warzone, even though it's impossible for a Sage to get defense, period. ROFL. You're exactly the type of player i'm talking about - you know nothing yet you insist on talking.
faction60 2 months ago
Sorcerers aren't as squishy as you make it out to be, your shields make you far more durable targets than either DPS Operatives or Assassins. My Assassin has more difficulty bursting down a Sorcerer than they do anything short of a tank or healer (or maybe a Marauder/DPS Jugg w/ full cooldowns).
Other than that, good video.
comerbp82 2 months ago 7
@comerbp82 Shields absorb around 2-2.5k damage. I routinely break through them with a crit Project, which only crits for about 1800-2000. Assassins have a shield wall and a short cd full immunity. They are just fine for survivability and have it better than Sages easily.
If you have problems bursting a class just because they can pre-shield for 2k extra HP your problem definitely has nothing to do with the shield and you need to learn what defensive cds other classes get.
faction60 2 months ago