Where in the constitution is theft legalized under the pretense of health insurance? Since when is capitalism about "getting the most profit for providing the worst service"?
Yet we put too much faith in conservatives to understand basic logic, HMOs can't work in a capitalistic manner, so the Gov't has to step in.
Only people to have a right to complain about health care are those who pay out of pocket. Any complaint against gov't healthcare applies ten fold to the private sector
Neither have you the capacity to understand the Constitution, nor have the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
@TAMARLANE "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States" There is provide welfare, Article I, Section 8. I know you know its there, so don't act the fool that it isn't in the constitution. Disagree on its meaning, but, don't deny its an enumerated power of the congress.
@ukyopak Got any idea why our government has never wandered into this miasma before? I mean, come on, trying to justify nationalizing health care after 240 years of not nationalizing health care should be more profound than , "It's in the Constitution, been there all along."
@TAMARLANE I didn't justify anything, I just said that the concept of "providing general welfare" is in the Constitution as one of the enumerated powers of Congress. And, since at least teddy roosevelt there have been attempts to create a national health care.
@ukyopak You alluded to the constitutional reference to the general welfare, and you mentioned how various people have tried to implement a national system of health care. What you didn't do was answer my question about do you know why no one was ever successful in doing such a thing? What possible reason could there be that would defeat such a noble idea? Could it be that some people don't want a huge government entity interfering with every aspect of their lives? Think about it.
@ukyopak Is it like Food, a basic human right, and we must take all the middlemen out of food production too? Why should big corporations make any money from food? Corporations that own farms, orchards, feed lots, trucks and locomotives for transport, warehousing and processing facilities owned and operated by corporations.Pakaging, advertising, and retail outlet corporations are evil too, taking a profit on the very food we eat. What could be worse than that?
@TAMARLANE food producers and farmers make food, I purchase it at the store. When I decide what food I want, I go to the store and buy it. When I go to the register, i get what I paid for at a marked price. Are you telling me that kind of transparency exists with insurance companies? Do you get what you pay for? Do you know what you are paying for? Don't insurance companies decide for you what medical care you need.
I say you get what you pay for.There are "good" policies, and "bad" policies. The good ones cost more than the bad ones. One truism in American culture is that no one can afford all the insurance they need, no matter how much money they have.
But, I am sure you feel this new health care is an equalizer, a redistribution of wealth, if you will. I wouldn't mind if everyone was wealthy, Lived on Nob Hill in SF. Drove a new Bentley.
@ukyopak By the way. The food you choose to eat will soon be like the new health care system too. Bad cholesterol will be twxed, heavily. Sugar drinks will be heavily taxed. The Nanny state will decide what is good for you to eat and drink, and they will regulate accordingly..
Oh, and about those food companies. Do you know what is in your food? Do you know what kind of pesticides are used, and hormones are used, and additives are used? Those nast food companies are the same as health providers.
Are you really dumb enough to think "promote the general welfare" meant what it does today in the 1700s, you are suffering from the Hank Johnson syndrome.
@TAMARLANE Are you calling The Supreme Court of the United States stupid? They (and Constitutional scholars) agree with me. Fox news idiots agree with you. The US Supreme Court has used the Preamble to prove that Social Security is constitutional when idiots like you in the 1930s.
@TAMARLANE (continued) idiots likey ou in the 1930 tried to employ similar logic and say that Social Security was "unconstitutional." Well the supreme court disagreed, and the vote was 7 to 2.
@jensen1901 Not so sure about the accuracy of your claim. But, even if it were accurate, how is that Social Security working out right about now? Social Security is broke now. It is a lousy socialistic idea designed to provide for the old age pension for those without any other means of providing for themselves, It illustrates the poverty of ideas that progressives are famous for. Like Medicare, it is bankrupting the country.
@TAMARLANE "Not sure about the accuracy?" Ever heard of Google? Go ahead, check it.
And good to know where you stand on Social Security. Why don't you call, fax and email your local Congressman and ask them to run on repealing social security. I'm sure they'd love to hear from ya!
@thunderboltflash Good. Go ahead and tell your Republican rep to run o that platform. If you vote for any Republican who doesn't denounce Social Security, you are a hypocrite.
@jensen1901 Kind of. FDR threathened to add more 2 more judges to the supreme court if that was what it would take to get his way. His claim was that their was no constitutional limit to seats on the supreme court. The court basicly wimped out and caved in to his demand on many of the New Deal programs.
David Sharp is just another teabagger who blew the dust off his jr. High polysci textbook that claims to be a 'constitutional scholar'. Cleary he was combative in his interrogation. Tea Baggers are irelavant. HCR passed, get over it or GTFO.
It was bad enough to say he didn't care about the constitution, but when he confused it with the declaration of independence this whole thing got trifling.
It was bad enough to say he didn't care about the constitution, but when he confused it with the declaration of independence this whole thing got trifling.
That huge cheeseburger stuck in his aorta caused him not only to confuse the constitution with the declaration of independence. It also morphed the commerce clause into the LACK of intra-state commerce clause.
If it's going to swear to uphold the constitution, it would be appreciated if he actually read it and not just pay lip service.
The 'Commerce Clause' was put in to prevent trade wars between the states. The 'Necessary and Proper' clause references Congress' specifically enumerated powers.
The 'General Welfare' "clause" is part of the introduction to Congress enumerated powers, basically saying, this is how Congress provides national defense and the rest of its responsibilities.
@thunderboltflash if you dont pay it starts with fines by the IRS and if you dont pay the fines the bill says the next step is for imprisonment for up to but not more than 5 years.
@thunderboltflash Thats a good question...funny how the IRS will be exapnded to oversee this...could they pick a department that is more feared or hated by taxpayers?
Sharp: "Where in the constitution does it give you the authority..."
Hare: ""I don't know. I don't know..."
I would have liked to have followed that up with: "Well shouldn't you know? Isn't that your job?"
This has been going on for a long time now, if he had time to read the bill 3 times (as he states in the full video) then why didn't he have time to figure that out?
Where in the constitution is theft legalized under the pretense of health insurance? Since when is capitalism about "getting the most profit for providing the worst service"?
Yet we put too much faith in conservatives to understand basic logic, HMOs can't work in a capitalistic manner, so the Gov't has to step in.
Only people to have a right to complain about health care are those who pay out of pocket. Any complaint against gov't healthcare applies ten fold to the private sector
psynema 1 year ago
Adam Sharp is a fucking dick head.
loonmaniac 1 year ago
LOL @ you idiots falling for Sharp's BS. Drink the Kook-Aid.
luvblueshockey 1 year ago
This so indicative of the typical elite Progressive Liberal arrogance and they will pay in the next election or 2.
dsmith6289 1 year ago
Neither have you the capacity to understand the Constitution, nor have the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me.
craigclanof4 1 year ago
Citizen journalists doing the job the liberal media refuse to do.
KnightOwl2006 1 year ago 2
He doesnt worry about the constitution.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
he dont look like he's missed too many tax payer meals
MrOphiuchus1 1 year ago
bla bla bla
polarak 1 year ago
Does anyone find it unusual that out of nearly 9,000 views, only 25 have bothered to rate? That an incredibly low percentage feedback.
jokertim777 1 year ago
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
"PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE," YOU DUMBASS CONS.
jensen1901 1 year ago
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TAMARLANE 1 year ago
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TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@jensen1901 From the preamble of the Constitution, NOT the Constitution.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE No shit, Sherlock.
jensen1901 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States" There is provide welfare, Article I, Section 8. I know you know its there, so don't act the fool that it isn't in the constitution. Disagree on its meaning, but, don't deny its an enumerated power of the congress.
ukyopak 1 year ago
@ukyopak Got any idea why our government has never wandered into this miasma before? I mean, come on, trying to justify nationalizing health care after 240 years of not nationalizing health care should be more profound than , "It's in the Constitution, been there all along."
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE I didn't justify anything, I just said that the concept of "providing general welfare" is in the Constitution as one of the enumerated powers of Congress. And, since at least teddy roosevelt there have been attempts to create a national health care.
ukyopak 1 year ago
@ukyopak You alluded to the constitutional reference to the general welfare, and you mentioned how various people have tried to implement a national system of health care. What you didn't do was answer my question about do you know why no one was ever successful in doing such a thing? What possible reason could there be that would defeat such a noble idea? Could it be that some people don't want a huge government entity interfering with every aspect of their lives? Think about it.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@ukyopak Is it like Food, a basic human right, and we must take all the middlemen out of food production too? Why should big corporations make any money from food? Corporations that own farms, orchards, feed lots, trucks and locomotives for transport, warehousing and processing facilities owned and operated by corporations.Pakaging, advertising, and retail outlet corporations are evil too, taking a profit on the very food we eat. What could be worse than that?
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE food producers and farmers make food, I purchase it at the store. When I decide what food I want, I go to the store and buy it. When I go to the register, i get what I paid for at a marked price. Are you telling me that kind of transparency exists with insurance companies? Do you get what you pay for? Do you know what you are paying for? Don't insurance companies decide for you what medical care you need.
ukyopak 1 year ago
@ukyopak Hmmm. Did anyone force you to buy food?
I say you get what you pay for.There are "good" policies, and "bad" policies. The good ones cost more than the bad ones. One truism in American culture is that no one can afford all the insurance they need, no matter how much money they have.
But, I am sure you feel this new health care is an equalizer, a redistribution of wealth, if you will. I wouldn't mind if everyone was wealthy, Lived on Nob Hill in SF. Drove a new Bentley.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@ukyopak By the way. The food you choose to eat will soon be like the new health care system too. Bad cholesterol will be twxed, heavily. Sugar drinks will be heavily taxed. The Nanny state will decide what is good for you to eat and drink, and they will regulate accordingly..
Oh, and about those food companies. Do you know what is in your food? Do you know what kind of pesticides are used, and hormones are used, and additives are used? Those nast food companies are the same as health providers.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@jensen1901
Are you really dumb enough to think "promote the general welfare" meant what it does today in the 1700s, you are suffering from the Hank Johnson syndrome.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE Are you calling The Supreme Court of the United States stupid? They (and Constitutional scholars) agree with me. Fox news idiots agree with you. The US Supreme Court has used the Preamble to prove that Social Security is constitutional when idiots like you in the 1930s.
jensen1901 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE (continued) idiots likey ou in the 1930 tried to employ similar logic and say that Social Security was "unconstitutional." Well the supreme court disagreed, and the vote was 7 to 2.
jensen1901 1 year ago
@jensen1901 Not so sure about the accuracy of your claim. But, even if it were accurate, how is that Social Security working out right about now? Social Security is broke now. It is a lousy socialistic idea designed to provide for the old age pension for those without any other means of providing for themselves, It illustrates the poverty of ideas that progressives are famous for. Like Medicare, it is bankrupting the country.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago 2
@TAMARLANE "Not sure about the accuracy?" Ever heard of Google? Go ahead, check it.
And good to know where you stand on Social Security. Why don't you call, fax and email your local Congressman and ask them to run on repealing social security. I'm sure they'd love to hear from ya!
jensen1901 1 year ago
@jensen1901 I've been working towards retirement savings accounts for a long time. Much superior to social security in normal times.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@jensen1901 Social Security is a fraud,its Bankrupt!
Time to end it for all except those collecting or preparing to collect
Develop the entire system into private investment accounts and let it die like an old Democrat
I estimate my lost investment from the money dumped into Social Security is about $300,000
This is what the market offered since 1967
My job now is to get back every penny scammed from me and get back the lost investments.
thunderboltflash 1 year ago
@thunderboltflash Good. Go ahead and tell your Republican rep to run o that platform. If you vote for any Republican who doesn't denounce Social Security, you are a hypocrite.
jensen1901 1 year ago
@jensen1901
But, of course, thunderboltflash is correct. I wouldn't expect you to admit it, or to even understand it, since you seem to be a communist.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@jensen1901 Kind of. FDR threathened to add more 2 more judges to the supreme court if that was what it would take to get his way. His claim was that their was no constitutional limit to seats on the supreme court. The court basicly wimped out and caved in to his demand on many of the New Deal programs.
mssedmebich 1 year ago
lol @ confusing the dec of independence and constitution
MrOphiuchus1 1 year ago
The scary thing is HE is an elected offical.
Cadle1am 1 year ago
David Sharp is just another teabagger who blew the dust off his jr. High polysci textbook that claims to be a 'constitutional scholar'. Cleary he was combative in his interrogation. Tea Baggers are irelavant. HCR passed, get over it or GTFO.
milesy49 1 year ago
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It was bad enough to say he didn't care about the constitution, but when he confused it with the declaration of independence this whole thing got trifling.
lautour 1 year ago
It was bad enough to say he didn't care about the constitution, but when he confused it with the declaration of independence this whole thing got trifling.
lautour 1 year ago
That huge cheeseburger stuck in his aorta caused him not only to confuse the constitution with the declaration of independence. It also morphed the commerce clause into the LACK of intra-state commerce clause.
If it's going to swear to uphold the constitution, it would be appreciated if he actually read it and not just pay lip service.
MueX 1 year ago 7
The 'Commerce Clause' was put in to prevent trade wars between the states. The 'Necessary and Proper' clause references Congress' specifically enumerated powers.
The 'General Welfare' "clause" is part of the introduction to Congress enumerated powers, basically saying, this is how Congress provides national defense and the rest of its responsibilities.
MooseOfReason 1 year ago
Hare is another Dumb Dumbocrat. Hare has never read the Constitution. Good bye, scum head Hare, November you are on way out. Way to go Adam.
maxxpup41 1 year ago 2
Hare is another Dumb Dumbocrat. Hare has never read the Constitution. Good bye, scum head Hare, November you are on way out. Way to go Adam.
maxxpup41 1 year ago
Obama Care gets much much worse!
I have an ominous question!
HOW does Insurance Requirement get enforced?
IF you defy Obama and refuse to get insurance or pay the fine what happens?
Wage Garnishment?
Seizure of Bank Accounts?
Lien on Homes?
Could imprisonment be next?
Any answers?
thunderboltflash 1 year ago 2
@thunderboltflash if you dont pay it starts with fines by the IRS and if you dont pay the fines the bill says the next step is for imprisonment for up to but not more than 5 years.
aurick7737 1 year ago
@thunderboltflash Thats a good question...funny how the IRS will be exapnded to oversee this...could they pick a department that is more feared or hated by taxpayers?
pieceomeat 1 year ago
Sharp: "Where in the constitution does it give you the authority..."
Hare: ""I don't know. I don't know..."
I would have liked to have followed that up with: "Well shouldn't you know? Isn't that your job?"
This has been going on for a long time now, if he had time to read the bill 3 times (as he states in the full video) then why didn't he have time to figure that out?
Jackpot indeed.
ScubaSteve1974 1 year ago 23