Present some facts and statistical proof of the claim that there are more products being manufactured in America, and more jobs in manufacturing than before NAFTA; you can't do that because your paycheck is coming from those clueless Libertarians at Reason.tv. Give Marissa Gipps my regards, you fat piece of shit.
@PrivateSnowballTFC Kind of overstating the obvious. The world needs more parrots. I know what I wrote. Where is your statistical proof to back up the bullshit? If Carey wants to wag the finger, he can present some factual data to go along with the rant. I am sorry that I called Marina, Marissa. Reason tried to recruit me. I know about them. Is that all you have?
@PrivateSnowballTFC > lacks originality > lacks substance > lacks the ability to compose and complete a sentence > probably should spend more time getting laid and less time watching Drew Carey.
NAFTA produces no jobs of value to the Mexican people. It exploits Mexico of their labor and resources. It cost millions of farm-workers' jobs, and is one of the main reason there is so much poverty in Mexico. 90% of the imports of goods from Mexico go directly to the United States, where it is sold for a large profit. It is treated as a cheap labor market by US corporations.
I know, isn't it horrible? It's so unfair to the Mexican workers, that they will enthusiastically compete with eachother for these jobs, gladly abandoning almost any other unskilled position in Mexico to get them. And it's just horrible for the Americans as well, because they all willingly flock by the millions to buy these goods, even where there are other stores within driving distance, selling the exact same goods at a higher price.
Corporations prey on poor people all around the world. They don't allow for society to grow with technology that's useful to society. How about we put all that money we spend on defense each year, and instead, put it towards jobs, education, healthcare, and social security. With the trillions Wall-street steals, we can use that money to build a sustainable world. For now it's getting sucked in by this war machine that is only destroying our planet. Corporations are the problem, not machines.
It's just more tariff propoganda same as was seen in the great depression. One of those sad political issues that's an incredibly easy sell, and yet actually makes no fucking sense and will make things worse for everyone if implimented. But politicians make their careers on that kind of thing.
@tariffs4America 5) Correction4u! Income levels of the bottom 20% in the USA have STAGNATED not gone down! BUT 4 the individual poor they are always going up tinyurl(.)com/6kzytuj
AND USA&UK were neck and neck by WW1 per capita gdp, more importantly UK never decreased to meet USA half way, USA just caught up! The rich always have an advantage, so what? U r wrong about which system offers the poor the biggest leg up, incentive & opportunity to succeed! tinyurl(.)com/dhht3m
@tariffs4America 4) "Both have access to cheap labor, so your point is illogical" Well if the USA allows immigration then you admit there is no difference, so if China doesn't need tariffs the USA doesn't either.
Market approach to Creatives means the market decides what's good not YOU! Wealth concentration advantages = tinyurl(.)com/6gzaf3d . More-over there's nothing wrong with voluntary child labour. tinyurl(.)com/ybngt3n
@tariffs4America Slave labour? The poor Chinese are getting rich faster than poor Americans did in the 1800s, AND THEY'RE SAVING. Equalizing. If ur theory were correct, rich provinces in China would need today 2 have tariffs against the poor provinces. I hope machines replace BOTH cheap labour BUT MOREOVER expensive labour! If opensource software can do my taxes instead of my accountant, I win! Even in ur wealthy future, your PLANNED allocation to creatives would be worse than a market approach
@tariffs4America 2) Of course buying products from others increases my wealth, because cheap goods lower my input costs in production. There are more manufacturers of steel in the USA, so tariffs support only the USA steel industry, but hurt a greater no of manufacturers+consumers! Of course buying something for consumption doesn't create wealth, but u can only do that with savings/debt. After a while that FORCES u 2 produce 2 keep buying! It all equalizes out. Cheap consumption=more investment
@tariffs4America 1) Well I appreciate the citation, although I can only find a dismissal by Dmitri, by no means a proof! Ricardo's theory have been expanded on by Ohlin & even Keynesians like Krugman. There are volumes of empirical evidence to support the gains from Trade. Regarding history, the pound lost it's status as reserve currency after 2 world wars financed by an explosion of public debt. Russia,Germany etc were USA's contemporaries at that time, they don't apply to your theory.
Trade only works when you profit more from the goods you sell than you pay for the goods you buy. It doesn't work when you have negative trade imbalances all over the world. That's why China has the largest currency reserves in the world. They are selling more than they are buying. As long as we keep buying cheap goods from third world countries and they don't buy anything from us then we will be losing money from trade not profiting from it.
@gamewizard In a flexible exchange rate world your example is false. China can only keep it's currency cheap to the extent it prints money to buy Dollars. That has been causing massive inflation in China and eventually their goods will no longer be cheap. See Nobel winner Milton Friedman explain your misunderstanding. tinyurl(.)com/6fnyqnh Or more recently see Stossel correct Lou Dobbs tinyurl(.)com/6f39bye
@tariffs4America Exactly how does trade with poorer nations make the USA poorer? What makes a country rich is the amount of products available for consumption. The more products, resources & ppl the richer. By your theory China gets richer until America gets to the same level of poverty, then what? You are under the fallacy of a fixed pie economy. Britain&Europe benefited greatly from trading with poor America in the 1800s. You need to read Ricardo on Comparative advantage. tinyurl(.)com/6f39bye
If the US is manufacturing more than it ever has before why don't I see made in USA on ANYTHING anymore? Look in the mall, the grocery store, the hardware store... just TRY to find something that doesn't say it was made somewhere else in the world.
bullshit! the amount of jobs that have left the country cause of NAFTA is way disproporationate to ones that have come here from other countries. thats retarded. Obama is not against nafta either, it was one of his campaign lies.sending jobs to other countries doesn't h. its a race to thelp anyone. corporations leave america where they can have less regulation pay people cents a day and not have to worry about evironmental human laws. get a clue drew
@robaquarian Paying people 2 dollars a day means that they don't have to work in back breaking labour on farms or go into prostitution. tinyurl(.)com/ybngt3n The absolute number of jobs minus unemployed was higher than it had ever been in USA history before the financial crisis of 2008. You should read up on some basic economics like absolute advantage and then read Ricardos comparative advantage... trade makes the average richer. fact.
@tomitstube: Wow, we're all privileged to have you - such an expert on farming and manufacturing sharing his knowledge with us. I'm surprised your successful farming business leaves you enough time to comment on youtube.
Anyway, it clearly doesn't leave you enough time to use a dictionary. Perhaps you should check what the words "force" and "slavery" mean. I don't think being offered a $1/day job to leave a 10cent/day job (while being free to leave the $1 job) qualifies as slavery.
All he's telling me is ...it's ok to sell out your country. When the Constitution was written there was foreign trade going on then. There was some in congress that didn't want the foreign trade and some that did. They came to a compromise and wrote it so it would be up to the people to decide if they wanted foreigners in their land by giving us that freedom. In other words, they left it up to the people to decide if they wanted to F---k their country or not.
Also - this notion that "globalization" is somehow new is also malarkey. The reason the "new world" became what it is was because the Europeans were trying to find "better" trade routes to Asia. Then the lower classes came here to settle because everything was cheaper and Euro companies then found it cheaper to buy from America. It's all a cycle....and globalization has been around for a long long time.
The reality is that this is nothing new... the US used to import various groups to work cheaply (and once they reach a certain level they get replaced by another group whom they turn around and complain about)... but now it's the reverse... it's less stress to send the jobs overseas.
Why would anyone listen to a stripper chasing fat shit comedian. When jobs can build roads and other blue collar and professional jobs then we will talk. But those jobs are going to Mexican,China,India. China wouldn't have built up their economy so fast if it could all be done by machines. Fatass moron.This is nothing but corporate propaganda.
NAFTA was the biggest piece of shit that was ever rammed down the American people's throats against their will (70% of them were against it, yet somehow it still passed - does this sound like a true democracy to you?).
Everything Ross Perot warned about came true, and the "benefits" from it that were promised never happened. Even the Mexican workers are worse off now than before. Unless you were a CEO, an investor, or a lobbyist, you lost from NAFTA.
Finally, people who support my statements...Greed, debt, slavery, patriotism, monopolism, automation, industry, credit, 1%... If you are smart enough to put all of this words and relate them to each other in one statement, congratz... You form part of the .1% of the 99% who thinks!!! there is something wrong with this world and is not illegal aliens or machines taking over, but is all about the statement you just formed in your mind.
bull shit. the fact is industrial farming is actually less productive than subsistence farming. gmo's or genetically modified organisms destroy resources ten fold while forcing millions off their land. manufacturing has actually increased, it's just american ceo's can make more money paying less labor costs overseas.
this is propaganda by corporatists to divert attention from their greed that benefits the few while enslaving working people around the world with poverty wages.
@tomitstube No, I'm perfectly lucid. You're just spouting total and complete nonsensical falsehoods to support your hatred for corporate entities. If you hate corporations, fine, but don't spew logical falsehoods to try to convince people. Explain to me, how "gmos" are bad, because I've heard nothing of the sort. We don't have enough non-"gmos" to feed the entire world, so people would starve. Tell me about how overseas labor is bad, because I'd like to know your view on it, no doubt to disagree
@s0beit ~ you're buying into the hype. gmo's are a failure world wide. they are replacing rich bio-diversities with one-size-fits-all seeds that fail miserably to regional environments. in india, africa, asia and the middle east, these industrial giants with the world bank and the imf are destroying economies, livelihoods,and are pushing millions of their lands. it's nothing but a land and resource grab, a privatization of people who have feed themselves successfully for thousands of years.
This is over-simplifying the problem. Because of NAFTA the WTO and CAFTA, American and transnational corporations legally enslave people to produce garbage for the other consumer nations (mainly the US).That's it. This brings down the standard of living of all involved. Libertarians and communists can agree on this. QUIT MAKING EVERYTHING ABOUT RACE! Corporations and corrupt governments don't care about your race. All they want is free labor.
To all who read this comment and do believe machines are taking jobs. Please if you see self check out. Go to a check out operated by human no matter how long the line. Save some jobs. The class who work the checkouts and services need the jobs the worst.
It is one thing for jobs to become obsolete due to technological advances. It is another to TAKE from one group and give to the other. The same job that was used to make the products and buy others were given away to be replaced largely by lower wage jobs. The cost of the products mean nothing if we have no income. Fair trade, NOT FREE TRADE. Many countries that are poor are poor due to corrupt government. Ours is going down the road.
Love that this video is addressing technology in the labor field. (But not addressing how minimum wage spurred this direction in technology.... For shame.)
Yeah ill get a job in the private space tourism field! I know alot of people who have a quarter millon dollars and want to go to space, what a joke. i work on airplanes for the airlines and i probably make what they made 35 years ago. Oh and ive lived in 4 states in 5 years. NAFTA is great!
@firebadger101 Every fre trade from NAFTA on has destroyed jobs here, FN greed. And as corp tax they don't pay any !! What happened to loyality and patriotism toward your own country's people. You forget why the REVOLUTION happened in the first place, it was about slavery, physical and economic, it was about a debtor world just like eggland gave their own peoples. Where generations of families never got out of debt. F greed F corporate greed, F tyranny of this NWO gay club.
Listen guys and gals, we should all be for mechanical automation. Working like robots is impairing our decision making. What needs to change is how we validate payments. Maybe in the future self education could be rewarded before a product is made as long as we keep to our goals. What a novel idea. It’s an uncomfortable thought for previous generations just like abundance for all but things are changing faster than ever.
@juanky525 well said. I am all for people doing more with their time than pushing a button. everyone's time is valuable and it is a shame that so much time is wasted doing something that a machine could do.
No surprise to see , President Jesus 2.0 was going to run again.. The arrogant bastard probably thinks he’s going to have as easy a time of it as he did in 2008. Sorry, Barry, this time U have to run on your record.
One bright side to this, I’m looking forward to laughing in the faces of supporters as they tell me how he deserves a second term
Ive never seen a politician purport to have bad intentions, no matter what the agenda. Hitler thought he was doing the world a favor
Come on Drew we thought better of you than PREACHING PROPAGANDA of the Corporate and Government interest
Of the 26 million jobs he talks of being created , he never once mentions these are mainly all low paying service industry jobs and not higher paying skilled labor jobs like manufacturing and technical industry jobs, that once outsourced overseas become low paying jobs, paying $5 per day in Mexico or $2 a day in China. It's all about the bottom line for the corporations.
and before people keep arguing me, learn the definition of GREED.
GREED is an excessive desire to possess wealth or goods with the intention to keep it for one's self. Greed - like lust and gluttony - is a sin of excess. Greed is inappropriate expectation. However, greed is applied to a very excessive or rapacious desire and pursuit of wealth, status, and power.
@heavenguy Every economist knows that "[i]t is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest."
Sure, strangers only do stuff for you because they want something else for you. But looking at motives alone is a poor way to understand the economy.
@UnconformistSheep Its a "poor way" in your eyes, but not false. People corrupts goverments, polititians, and brake laws in order to make a greedy profit. That is the number one reason why the economy is so screwed this days. GREED!! Don't complicate the reality with fancy words to analyze the obvious. There is no worst blind person that the one who doesn't want to see. and you my friend dont want to see past your economical theories. Human emotions control what they think at some point in life
I'm proud of Reason TV and Drew Carry for doing this. People bash NAFTA because they know next to nothing about the economies and politics of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. They listen to 10 second sound bites that are editted the hell out of on purpose to scare the hell out of people. We need honesty not propaganda which is what those who are against NAFTA constantly spill.
To divert hounds from pursuing a scent, a herring would be dragged across their path. To divert you from pursuing the money, politics, and effects of NAFTA, Drew Carey diverts your attention to the effects of technology.
Carey should spend a couple years working in a Mexican auto parts factory for General Motors.
@furyofbongos Quite right. Nafta has opened up some markets, but hundreds of pages of regulations are hardly free trade. What ought to exist is the allowance for any good to be moved between the US, Canada and Mexico with no tariffs. Let consumers decide what they want and how much they want to pay for it.
Really I don't like NAFTA or GATT. Not from xenophobia but because free trade is a relatively simple concept that does not require 4000 pages to explain. I would suspect that somewhere in these documents are a lot of concessions that favor large campaign contributors.
Compared to how things went in Russia, where the political elite had all the privileges and lived in wealth, and the common man starved or waited in hours long lines for basic staples like milk and bread.
But then again, that's the consequences of having a non-profit based economy. A vicious cycle that is caused by communism and greed.
I'm just wondering which comment is more offtopic.
Ontopic:
Technological Unemployment may not be an issue now, but it will be in the future when all service jobs will be automated as well. Then what will we do? People lose Jobs, the Purchasing Power of the Consumer will decline, the Producer will have less turnover and even more people are laid off.
A vicious cycle that is caused by automation & decline of 'Surplus Value'.
Doesn't get payed,doesn't get benefits, doesn't go on breaks" Are you describing robots or Mexicans? This applies to both. Where are they making things with robots? They close down regular factories all the time and I haven't heard of this big wave of robot factories. Comedy. I thought Drew was smarter than that. Oh well
Im a LASER operator or was before I was laid off. You need people to operate the machinery some runs on its own, like auto factories. But majoirty needs an operator laser,mill,lathe,plasma. etc.... NAFTA is screwing this country up. Look at China there are straight banking off of us. If you was to look at all the money they saved from not paying a tax on trade it would be an astounding figure
1. Americans make and average of $18.50 an hour. Mexicans make an average of $8.50 a day! Come on and do the math! It's not rocket science!
2. American regulations: OSHA, EPA, DHEC, IFC, IBC, IPC, IEC, State Licensing, and the list goes on. These cost American industry millions of dollars every year!
Mexican regulations: None
3. Americans pay 24.2% income taxes. Mexicans only pay 19.5%
@yank2441 1. And people in Tanzania make a lot less - so what?
2. Regulations are killing the US, that's correct. This has nothing to do with our trade with Mexico other than they're regulations are less than ours and they can usually make things cheaper. We won't stop trading with them regardless. The problem isn't NAFTA, it's the stupid regulations.
Drew Carey Sounds Like an Idiot in This Video, If he was in One of those GMC warehouses he would beg the differ, of course millions of jobs where going to rise up since nafta was Came to be New Buisness Where Built But when it comes down To Labor Work For Major Corporations Or Telecomunications as Sprint Or Over the Phone Customer Service theres Millions Of Jobs Being Lost cause i am ashamed to say i worked for Sprint in Dalla Reps in india Transfer to me Cause customer Didnt understand Him
@uturniaphobic sorry mate but this is true. they close 6 video stores around my neiborghood . 46 jobs where lost because people prefer netflix or those vending machines. the thing is that slowly but surely big corporations are expanding their markets. And the more they expand the more they require cheap labor to do the jobs. you can replace 10 people with one machine and only give one job to a person who can fix and operate this machine. that my friend its the future.
@minowekay technically most of the proccess of building this machines are done by machines. But the deal is that they are replacing a lot of small paying jobs by very few decent paying jobs. It's amazing how machines are replacing humans in a lot of jobs, just look around... So the more people with no jobs, the more people on wellfare. Well you get the picture...
What you say sounds similar to something I've heard before. Lets see if I can remember. Oh right, the loom replacing the folks making hand woven cloth. Or the cotton gin. Motorized vehicles.
Every time the world was going to be ruined and no one would have work. And guess what, every time the opponents to the new technology were wrong.
@KaelinSaint I’m not against technology. I’m against technology that takes away jobs and eliminates the source of low income jobs. (People that aren’t college material have to work somewhere, right?) And who gets richer, the %1 of the population who don’t need to get richer but greed makes them want more and more. Then again we live in a capitalist country, so what else can you expect. Then again all the “New” Technology you said need someone to operate them right? These machines don’t.
All the technology I listed displaced thousands of jobs. Especially the loom which could weave hundreds of yards of cloth with one operator. According to your own argument you would have been against that. Something that made clothes affordable to the masses.
The masses you speak of may not get richer but their products get much cheaper. What is the overall impact on making things more affordable to the poor? They can buy it.
@heavenguy Have you ANY clue how many jobs were displaced by the computer? OR as another poster mentioned the loom? Or how about the automobile? Or the airplane? Or flashlights, cell phones, furnaces, refrigerators, televisions, microwaves, satellites. I mean give me a break. Every new technology displaces someone, somewhere. In your world we'd put an end to progress so you could keep your minimum wage job. And like the other poster said, this isn't a Capitalist country.
@spec24 The US isn’t a capitalist country? That’s a new one… Maybe it’s not a fair market, but it’s a capitalist country alright. If you don’t believe me look it up or take an economics class whatever. Again, I’m not against technology. But I’m against technology that destroys jobs. These types of machines don’t bring that many benefits and it’s the reflection greedy comapnies for maximizing profits.
It is you who needs the economic lesson. The United States is not a capitalist country. Minimum wage, social security, Medicare, ADA, and every other BS gov't regulation are not part of a capitalist country. Now that gov't is climbing in bed with GM and others we are moving towards a fascism.
@KaelinSaint lol... the US has a capitalist mixed economy...'But still, a capitalist country. The choice of going to McD or burger king, the choice of going to school or not, the choice of opening a busnies or work makes it a capitalist country. If you cant understand that there is nothing i can say or do to make you change your mind. Now I agree with you, the gov't its full of corruption and only seems to be helping the big companies.
No country is pure capitalist its all a mix of socialism and capitalism. Every developed,civilized country has those services. I agree US shouldn't bail out companies but I understand why they did it. No US isn't fascist but a plutocracy. The corporations own the government not the other way around.
@heavenguy You must not work in manufacturing, that's obvious. Most machines are not built by machines in this country. They are still put together by people. And no - you're wrong. You have it backwards - the more welfare, the more people will be on it, which is what we have now. I also see very few machines lugging their toolboxes to fix those broken machines. Repair is big business and people, so far, will always be needed to fix them.
@spec24 cont... while a lot of the big machines are built by machines by the really large companies, cars, tractors, etc, much is still built by hand. And even when a good deal is put together by machines there are still people involved.
@spec24 You need to understand the difference between machines that are great for people and progress, and machines that replace humans just to maximize profits. That’s my only argument, Rich people becoming richer. It’s all about GREED!! I’m good with machines that help build better cars and microchips and stuff, I’m against machines that replaces humans in so many ways.
And who decides that a machine is good for people? I'm all about profit. The greatest inventions and discoveries in the world are driven by profit. The United States was discovered through a pursuit of profit. Almost all medical advances are from profit. Part of pursuing profit is becoming more efficient. Another economic lesson. Learn about the types of capital and how they interact in a market. Which one is better is determined by efficiency.
@KaelinSaint also profit is not bad. Profit with greed is bad. Is sad to see people who defend companies who they make them believe they form of the same company but when they dont need them the trow them awat like trash when they want to make "more profit" Companies now are about profits. and they dont care who they hurt or what they destroy, its all about the profits.
@KaelinSaint now not all biggest inventions were driven by profit. Like that guy who created the polio vaccine. Now he was a real human hero and a good example of good human nature. and there is tons of people who are driven by good faith. I'm all about, helping people, studying, common welfare. and let me make you remember one important thing what the constitution of the US says.
@KaelinSaint "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America" It doesnt say. "Us the companies in order to make more profit... "
@heavenguy Very nice quote and I wonder why someone marked this as spam, because I just think that you are very right. I also agree on your rant about Technological Unemployment. Mechanization made more new jobs, eventually, then it replaced, but I wonder if you can say the same thing about Automation.
We even have 3D-printers that Print 3D-printers!
What about automated house-building?
Companies will always try to minimize costs and maximize profits, but this earth has it limits.
@whahas Thank you Sir. People have a hard time understanding the difference between a fair market and a monopolized one, between a technology advancement and Automation, some even fail to understand what capitalism really is. I just believe that the greediness of the companies is the main problem. And people fail to realize that machines are now taking jobs not only on the productivity area but also on customer service and many areas that should always belong to a human.
@heavenguy "always belong to a human" until a machine can do it better. This romanticism around "the human touch" is a load of baloney. Every job that currently exists only exists because it hasn't been automated yet. We won't know what the limits of our technological capacity are until we get there, and it seems we're at least a couple of millenniums away from that point.
And automation IS advancement. It ensures we get the same thing for less resources and with no loss in quality.
@smiledammit24 The world population is 6,898,300,000 people approximately. You have an idea how many people need to work to support a single family? Now imagine all machines replacing human’s jobs. Lots of families won’t have an income. So just imagine the US with no jobs. In a few years the US could become a third world country in a matter of years. Why is so hard to understand that people need jobs? Of course machines can do stuff better but that is not the point.
@heavenguy"Of course machines can do stuff better but that is not the point." The world pop today is roughly 6.9 billion. In 1960 it was roughly 3 billion. Prior to the 1800s, the Earth's population was never more than 1 billion. Big question: What happened for human beings after 1800, that they didn't have before, which substantially increased their standard of living to the point where now they can support 7x more humans?
@smiledammit24 People forget about the rest of the world when they are doing fine. Who cares right? But if you look on my pasts comments to other people maybe you can understand how I feel and see this problem. The US was formed to make a more perfect union between human beings and to establish general welfare and other great things. In other words I help you so you help me.
@heavenguy But you're description of the world as getting poorer and poorer isn't true. It's the opposite of true. In 1981, 1.9billion lived on $1.25 a day. In 2005 it was 1.3billion. Last year it was 900million. Don't you see a pattern here? If African countries continue to progress at their current rate, they'll halve the number of people in poverty in that region by 2020. What happened? Industrialization, automation, globalization.
@smiledammit24 And not because the world governments try to mask poverty with the term “relative poverty” it doesn’t mean that poverty is reducing. O no sir, you have to stop relying on Wikipedia for your facts or at least analyze them. And you are saying that earning 1.25 dollars per day world poverty is reducing? Dude, not because people can afford an X-box game working in a two month period it means that poverty is reducing.
@smiledammit24 Again, all you mention it doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that big companies are reducing their staff to greed more profits. If you want me to continue to take you seriously, please stop saying that our future is the Jetsons world. I’m talking about the present and its current problems. And of course it will be nice to have a robot named Rosie doing everything on the house and magically appearing food like it was free, but at least not in our life span.
@heavenguy "Again, all you mention it doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that big companies are reducing their staff to greed more profits."
Of course. Whether you have a market economy or a socialist economy, you want to make use of as few people as you can to produce things, as well as little land, machinery, etc. Those resources are valuable: they have alternative uses. Those people can produce something else, or share the production burden so we all can enjoy more leisure.
@UnconformistSheep sorry mate but that works in the ideal world everyone seems to fantasies about. Tell your "alternative uses" to the 10% of unemployed people in the US alone, Translated to more than 30 million people without jobs. What are this alternative resource you mentioning doing?? Crime?? illegal stuff because they can't support their family? getting the goverment into a huge debt? Why people cant understand the word GREED?
@heavenguy "Tell your "alternative uses" to the 10% of unemployed people in the US alone"
Economists point is about the long term. Obviously it takes time for the economy to adjust, which is why is we have programs like unemployment insurance.
Anyway, the current 10% unemployment figure has nothing to do with NAFTA. During the Great Depression there were 25% unemployed, and free trade had been severely restricted in 1930.
@heavenguy With regard to short term unemployment caused by trade shocks, productivity shocks, etc please notice that those occur whether you open or close your borders. It's the change that causes the unemployment.
Consider the situation: the US and Japan trade wheat for Toyotas. US shuts down trade with Japan. What happens? A lot of farmers will lose their jobs; eventually, the economy adjusts and some workers go on to produce automobiles.
@UnconformistSheep and also, short term, long term, blah, those are just words. Just look around, see the Greed of companies. you don't have to be an "expert in the economy" to understand that there is something wrong. And they always try to blame one another, what you see its the reality, and that reality tells me that less than 1% of the entire earth population really owns this world, and if they want to destroy you, they will.
@UnconformistSheep This is an extensive subject and it takes a real conversation to argue, but just look around. Go from the most poor parts of a city, passing trough a middle class one, and finally end up at the high class. Its not because people don't want to earn profits. Its because we live in some type of of greedy monopolized world, were people defend their wealth with whatever they can. Everyone is competing with everyone. And you can say the BS of yeah that makes a product better. blah!!
@UnconformistSheep at the end Its all about fake money controlled by a central bank, Greedy companies who want to maximize profits using patriotism as an excuse to create war with countries that can't defend themselves to create more money by selling weapons and oil to goverments putting them into more debt, corrupted polititians, drug and human trafficking, and that is all created by what. GREED!!! don't tell me a human being needs tons of cars, properties and stuff? that is greed my friend.
@UnconformistSheep Your point only make sense if you occupy the alternative uses with something. Anything that is productive to society. You are just trying to prove your pointwith book theories that fail because human nature. But good point if we live in a world with no human feelings. =)
@UnconformistSheep Paul Krugman of the New York Times has a pretty good book on international trade, called Pop Internationalism. Check it out.
Anyhow, to make the economist point more clear: every economic change causes short term unemployment. Closing trade causes short-term unemployment, and long-term poverty. Freeing trade causes short-term unemployment and long-term prosperity. I hope that clears out any confusion from my first comment.
@smiledammit24 Please understand. I’m not against technology. And when I say that machines should never replace customer service and creativity it’s because what else can a human do if everything is automated. From where people will obtain well earned money to sustain their families Just because companies want to increase their profits by %1 (1% = millions of dollars.)
@heavenguy And now comes the big reveal: What if we didn't use money? The advancement towards completely automated means of production and service means the end of the monetary system. Seriously! Think about it. Your argument boils down to this: If machines take every job, then no one will *have any* work. My argument is that if machines take every job, then no one will *have to* work.
@smiledammit24 Seriously mate? No monetary system because of machines? Please don’t argue my point of view with a utopia fantasy world created from your imagination just to make rationalistic comments to try to prove me wrong. Prove me wrong with facts not imagination. It’s a waste of time if you just make rationalistic comments that only, well, don’t exist and only exist on your Jetsons futuristic world. Don’t want to sound rude but are you even listening to yourself?
@smiledammit24 The point is it’s not about “romanticism of the human touch” like you try to put it, but It’s about giving people the opportunity to support their families trough a job and the “GREED” of the companies to make more profit. Like you, some people fail to understand the difference between the productivity of a machine and the creativity and customer service of a human being. It’s like talking a foreign language to people.
@heavenguy Okay, but this stuff you're talking about ("creativity and customer service") can and will someday be reproducible by a machine, so like I said it's romanticism, not realism. There isn't some ethereal aspect of human labor that somehow makes it better.
@smiledammit24 Remember people with no money can’t buy anything no matter how cheap or how many there is of a product. Look at the facts on world poverty; forget about your utopia of machines. Llook at the reality in the present. Forget what is going to happen in the future and argue my point “The Greed of companies to make more profit”. The “standard of living” you mention, it’s a dream for most in the world. Maybe you live in a nice neighbor, but not the rest of the world.
Automation and Outsourcing happen when a company wants to increase it's turnover by means of cost-efficiency. This only happens when the investment in automatisation or outsourcing isn't that capital-intensive, meaning if people get very low paid jobs, they might keep their job...
Unfortunately, Under- en Un-employment leads to a decrease in Purchasing Power. These Consumers can buy less.
When after World War II mechanisation kicked in, there were lots of products available in the shops.
Increasing wages made it possible for people to buy stuff, but companies wanted to reduce costs, so they did not wanted to raise wages any longer and asked the government for help. [simplified!]
@whahas "Mechanization made more new jobs, eventually, then it replaced, but I wonder if you can say the same thing about Automation."
The point economists make is that labor saving devices frees people to do other stuff with their time. Let's say cars are now produced by machines or foreigners. That frees us to open up spas, hospitals, etc.
travel lower.Lol wait till the dollar is a peso.then lets see how many americans are jetting to Club Med..No work+no consumption+no capital=no capitilism.Then why are they not teaching our kids how to be better robots?
The problem with trade liberalization is that it creates a "race to the bottom" for labor and environmental standards. Indeed, in NAFTA, this is called "harmonization" of laws. The contract says that standards must be lowered. It could have said standards must be raised, but high standards for safety, health, and ecology are considered, by businesses, to be a kind of "trade barrier" to be eliminated.
The NAFTA supporters are out to destroy the Clean Water Act and the Clean Air Act.
the US is losing the manufacturing to outsourcing, and free traders such as Drew are comfortable in seeing that because they are insulated from the impact of it. Those of us who have lost jobs dues to help desks, being sent to India, or items manufactured in Mexico, Canada, Korea, China, India, or elsewhere.
What is the driving force for outsourcing or mechanizing of manufactured good? Unions. excessive labor costs. Get a life drew. I don't care what you hollywood twits say..
@rmueller58 - While it's true that high wages are responsible for creating the economic conditions to encourage automation and outsourcing, I would not call the labor costs "excessive". They are just higher than the cost of robots or foreign labor.
The main reason why work is sent offshore is not only that labor is cheaper and more abused, but because tariffs were removed on products imported back into the US. NAFTA dropped tariffs on products made along the border.
Since the founding of this country we have had global trade. Our slaves came from africa, our silks came from china, spices from india.... What we do now is not by any definition trade. It is simply trading our manufacturing/ middle class to China so that the working man here has to compete with slavery and "american" corporations can pollute other nations air and water obscenely. My job at Motorola was sent to slave china in "04. Thats when the economic crash happened for me. fuck america
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This is the difference between principled liberarian and the hypiocrite far right.
Natkeeran 3 weeks ago
This is bullshit propaganda! Watch this for the truth watch?v=iOix738i_n8&feature=related
Loltochapel 1 month ago
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AiYAjazmineee 2 months ago
Mr. Knox's class :D
TheBayValley 2 months ago
Present some facts and statistical proof of the claim that there are more products being manufactured in America, and more jobs in manufacturing than before NAFTA; you can't do that because your paycheck is coming from those clueless Libertarians at Reason.tv. Give Marissa Gipps my regards, you fat piece of shit.
Qntkka 2 months ago
@Qntkka >tries to communicate a point
>resorts to personal attacks ("clueless libertarians")
>resorts to pesonal attacks again ("you fat piece of shit")
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@PrivateSnowballTFC Kind of overstating the obvious. The world needs more parrots. I know what I wrote. Where is your statistical proof to back up the bullshit? If Carey wants to wag the finger, he can present some factual data to go along with the rant. I am sorry that I called Marina, Marissa. Reason tried to recruit me. I know about them. Is that all you have?
Qntkka 1 month ago
@PrivateSnowballTFC > lacks originality > lacks substance > lacks the ability to compose and complete a sentence > probably should spend more time getting laid and less time watching Drew Carey.
Qntkka 1 month ago
@Qntkka @PrivateSnowballTFC >Likes using the arrow key > Argues on the internet while both could be getting laid
Ichiboy900 1 month ago
NAFTA produces no jobs of value to the Mexican people. It exploits Mexico of their labor and resources. It cost millions of farm-workers' jobs, and is one of the main reason there is so much poverty in Mexico. 90% of the imports of goods from Mexico go directly to the United States, where it is sold for a large profit. It is treated as a cheap labor market by US corporations.
NeatNetwork 2 months ago
@NeatNetwork Read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henery Hazlett
Reckless3057 1 week ago
@NeatNetwork
I know, isn't it horrible? It's so unfair to the Mexican workers, that they will enthusiastically compete with eachother for these jobs, gladly abandoning almost any other unskilled position in Mexico to get them. And it's just horrible for the Americans as well, because they all willingly flock by the millions to buy these goods, even where there are other stores within driving distance, selling the exact same goods at a higher price.
Oh, the humanity.
PanzerDivisionBOM 3 days ago
Corporations prey on poor people all around the world. They don't allow for society to grow with technology that's useful to society. How about we put all that money we spend on defense each year, and instead, put it towards jobs, education, healthcare, and social security. With the trillions Wall-street steals, we can use that money to build a sustainable world. For now it's getting sucked in by this war machine that is only destroying our planet. Corporations are the problem, not machines.
NeatNetwork 2 months ago
It's just more tariff propoganda same as was seen in the great depression. One of those sad political issues that's an incredibly easy sell, and yet actually makes no fucking sense and will make things worse for everyone if implimented. But politicians make their careers on that kind of thing.
eggory 3 months ago
WE WANTS FEMBOTS
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@tariffs4America 5) Correction4u! Income levels of the bottom 20% in the USA have STAGNATED not gone down! BUT 4 the individual poor they are always going up tinyurl(.)com/6kzytuj
AND USA&UK were neck and neck by WW1 per capita gdp, more importantly UK never decreased to meet USA half way, USA just caught up! The rich always have an advantage, so what? U r wrong about which system offers the poor the biggest leg up, incentive & opportunity to succeed! tinyurl(.)com/dhht3m
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@tariffs4America 4) "Both have access to cheap labor, so your point is illogical" Well if the USA allows immigration then you admit there is no difference, so if China doesn't need tariffs the USA doesn't either.
Market approach to Creatives means the market decides what's good not YOU! Wealth concentration advantages = tinyurl(.)com/6gzaf3d . More-over there's nothing wrong with voluntary child labour. tinyurl(.)com/ybngt3n
dmg46664 4 months ago
@tariffs4America Slave labour? The poor Chinese are getting rich faster than poor Americans did in the 1800s, AND THEY'RE SAVING. Equalizing. If ur theory were correct, rich provinces in China would need today 2 have tariffs against the poor provinces. I hope machines replace BOTH cheap labour BUT MOREOVER expensive labour! If opensource software can do my taxes instead of my accountant, I win! Even in ur wealthy future, your PLANNED allocation to creatives would be worse than a market approach
dmg46664 4 months ago
@tariffs4America 2) Of course buying products from others increases my wealth, because cheap goods lower my input costs in production. There are more manufacturers of steel in the USA, so tariffs support only the USA steel industry, but hurt a greater no of manufacturers+consumers! Of course buying something for consumption doesn't create wealth, but u can only do that with savings/debt. After a while that FORCES u 2 produce 2 keep buying! It all equalizes out. Cheap consumption=more investment
dmg46664 4 months ago
@tariffs4America 1) Well I appreciate the citation, although I can only find a dismissal by Dmitri, by no means a proof! Ricardo's theory have been expanded on by Ohlin & even Keynesians like Krugman. There are volumes of empirical evidence to support the gains from Trade. Regarding history, the pound lost it's status as reserve currency after 2 world wars financed by an explosion of public debt. Russia,Germany etc were USA's contemporaries at that time, they don't apply to your theory.
dmg46664 4 months ago
@dmg46664
Trade only works when you profit more from the goods you sell than you pay for the goods you buy. It doesn't work when you have negative trade imbalances all over the world. That's why China has the largest currency reserves in the world. They are selling more than they are buying. As long as we keep buying cheap goods from third world countries and they don't buy anything from us then we will be losing money from trade not profiting from it.
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@gamewizard In a flexible exchange rate world your example is false. China can only keep it's currency cheap to the extent it prints money to buy Dollars. That has been causing massive inflation in China and eventually their goods will no longer be cheap. See Nobel winner Milton Friedman explain your misunderstanding. tinyurl(.)com/6fnyqnh Or more recently see Stossel correct Lou Dobbs tinyurl(.)com/6f39bye
dmg46664 3 months ago
@tariffs4America Exactly how does trade with poorer nations make the USA poorer? What makes a country rich is the amount of products available for consumption. The more products, resources & ppl the richer. By your theory China gets richer until America gets to the same level of poverty, then what? You are under the fallacy of a fixed pie economy. Britain&Europe benefited greatly from trading with poor America in the 1800s. You need to read Ricardo on Comparative advantage. tinyurl(.)com/6f39bye
dmg46664 4 months ago
If the US is manufacturing more than it ever has before why don't I see made in USA on ANYTHING anymore? Look in the mall, the grocery store, the hardware store... just TRY to find something that doesn't say it was made somewhere else in the world.
MrTux62 4 months ago
THEY TUKAR JOBS
amirothschild 5 months ago
Technology is helpful and its dangerous. We will always beat the machine, we made it.
yomamasapeach 5 months ago
bullshit! the amount of jobs that have left the country cause of NAFTA is way disproporationate to ones that have come here from other countries. thats retarded. Obama is not against nafta either, it was one of his campaign lies.sending jobs to other countries doesn't h. its a race to thelp anyone. corporations leave america where they can have less regulation pay people cents a day and not have to worry about evironmental human laws. get a clue drew
robaquarian 5 months ago
@robaquarian Paying people 2 dollars a day means that they don't have to work in back breaking labour on farms or go into prostitution. tinyurl(.)com/ybngt3n The absolute number of jobs minus unemployed was higher than it had ever been in USA history before the financial crisis of 2008. You should read up on some basic economics like absolute advantage and then read Ricardos comparative advantage... trade makes the average richer. fact.
dmg46664 4 months ago
@tomitstube: Wow, we're all privileged to have you - such an expert on farming and manufacturing sharing his knowledge with us. I'm surprised your successful farming business leaves you enough time to comment on youtube.
Anyway, it clearly doesn't leave you enough time to use a dictionary. Perhaps you should check what the words "force" and "slavery" mean. I don't think being offered a $1/day job to leave a 10cent/day job (while being free to leave the $1 job) qualifies as slavery.
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VeniVidiAmavi 6 months ago
What an enormous asshat Carey is.
tnanimation 6 months ago in playlist Economics and Politics
All he's telling me is ...it's ok to sell out your country. When the Constitution was written there was foreign trade going on then. There was some in congress that didn't want the foreign trade and some that did. They came to a compromise and wrote it so it would be up to the people to decide if they wanted foreigners in their land by giving us that freedom. In other words, they left it up to the people to decide if they wanted to F---k their country or not.
ironman43545 6 months ago
Also - this notion that "globalization" is somehow new is also malarkey. The reason the "new world" became what it is was because the Europeans were trying to find "better" trade routes to Asia. Then the lower classes came here to settle because everything was cheaper and Euro companies then found it cheaper to buy from America. It's all a cycle....and globalization has been around for a long long time.
Amidat 6 months ago
The reality is that this is nothing new... the US used to import various groups to work cheaply (and once they reach a certain level they get replaced by another group whom they turn around and complain about)... but now it's the reverse... it's less stress to send the jobs overseas.
Amidat 6 months ago
I may not agree with Drew but that's his opinion. Why do people go as far as hating the man just because he has an opinion?
likearollinstone85 6 months ago
Drew Carey don't love Ohio anymore it's becuz they don't hav marijuana dispensaries there. Da price iz wrong bitch
EndoSmoke16 6 months ago
@daedro86
Yea because fat comedians know what they're talking about. How about you learn something from an economist or economy class?
jxsilicon9 6 months ago
Why would anyone listen to a stripper chasing fat shit comedian. When jobs can build roads and other blue collar and professional jobs then we will talk. But those jobs are going to Mexican,China,India. China wouldn't have built up their economy so fast if it could all be done by machines. Fatass moron.This is nothing but corporate propaganda.
jxsilicon9 6 months ago
NAFTA was the biggest piece of shit that was ever rammed down the American people's throats against their will (70% of them were against it, yet somehow it still passed - does this sound like a true democracy to you?).
Everything Ross Perot warned about came true, and the "benefits" from it that were promised never happened. Even the Mexican workers are worse off now than before. Unless you were a CEO, an investor, or a lobbyist, you lost from NAFTA.
I lost all respect for Drew Carey for this.
wby3006 7 months ago
Finally, people who support my statements...Greed, debt, slavery, patriotism, monopolism, automation, industry, credit, 1%... If you are smart enough to put all of this words and relate them to each other in one statement, congratz... You form part of the .1% of the 99% who thinks!!! there is something wrong with this world and is not illegal aliens or machines taking over, but is all about the statement you just formed in your mind.
heavenguy 7 months ago
bull shit. the fact is industrial farming is actually less productive than subsistence farming. gmo's or genetically modified organisms destroy resources ten fold while forcing millions off their land. manufacturing has actually increased, it's just american ceo's can make more money paying less labor costs overseas.
this is propaganda by corporatists to divert attention from their greed that benefits the few while enslaving working people around the world with poverty wages.
tomitstube 7 months ago
@tomitstube Oh yes, MACHINES ARE THE DEVIL AND OTHER MARXIST PROPAGANDA, WE SHOULD ALL BE MIXING CONCRETE AND BUILDING CARS BY HAND
You're ridiculous lol
s0beit 7 months ago
@s0beit ~ you seem confused.
tomitstube 7 months ago
@tomitstube No, I'm perfectly lucid. You're just spouting total and complete nonsensical falsehoods to support your hatred for corporate entities. If you hate corporations, fine, but don't spew logical falsehoods to try to convince people. Explain to me, how "gmos" are bad, because I've heard nothing of the sort. We don't have enough non-"gmos" to feed the entire world, so people would starve. Tell me about how overseas labor is bad, because I'd like to know your view on it, no doubt to disagree
s0beit 7 months ago
@s0beit ~ you're buying into the hype. gmo's are a failure world wide. they are replacing rich bio-diversities with one-size-fits-all seeds that fail miserably to regional environments. in india, africa, asia and the middle east, these industrial giants with the world bank and the imf are destroying economies, livelihoods,and are pushing millions of their lands. it's nothing but a land and resource grab, a privatization of people who have feed themselves successfully for thousands of years.
tomitstube 7 months ago
The Terminator took my job.
rooley 7 months ago
This is over-simplifying the problem. Because of NAFTA the WTO and CAFTA, American and transnational corporations legally enslave people to produce garbage for the other consumer nations (mainly the US).That's it. This brings down the standard of living of all involved. Libertarians and communists can agree on this. QUIT MAKING EVERYTHING ABOUT RACE! Corporations and corrupt governments don't care about your race. All they want is free labor.
MicNashus 7 months ago
To all who read this comment and do believe machines are taking jobs. Please if you see self check out. Go to a check out operated by human no matter how long the line. Save some jobs. The class who work the checkouts and services need the jobs the worst.
patrick258181 7 months ago
It is one thing for jobs to become obsolete due to technological advances. It is another to TAKE from one group and give to the other. The same job that was used to make the products and buy others were given away to be replaced largely by lower wage jobs. The cost of the products mean nothing if we have no income. Fair trade, NOT FREE TRADE. Many countries that are poor are poor due to corrupt government. Ours is going down the road.
balthorpayne 7 months ago
Made in the USA...fuck nafta....and drew you are a piece of shit and a wall street whore
gonzo361 7 months ago
TILL THIS DAY .. HE HAS JACKSHIT BUT HOLD STATES HOSTAGE ...
2020starman 8 months ago
Fuck.NAFTA.
erik4727 8 months ago
Love that this video is addressing technology in the labor field. (But not addressing how minimum wage spurred this direction in technology.... For shame.)
Rensune 8 months ago
Yeah ill get a job in the private space tourism field! I know alot of people who have a quarter millon dollars and want to go to space, what a joke. i work on airplanes for the airlines and i probably make what they made 35 years ago. Oh and ive lived in 4 states in 5 years. NAFTA is great!
nick101984 8 months ago
@firebadger101 Every fre trade from NAFTA on has destroyed jobs here, FN greed. And as corp tax they don't pay any !! What happened to loyality and patriotism toward your own country's people. You forget why the REVOLUTION happened in the first place, it was about slavery, physical and economic, it was about a debtor world just like eggland gave their own peoples. Where generations of families never got out of debt. F greed F corporate greed, F tyranny of this NWO gay club.
v44forme1 8 months ago
See video of Charlie Chaplin speaks to G20
See FDR's FireSide Chats Bill of Rights
People wo are jobless
People who are homeless
People who are hungry
People who are dependent
Are the stuff of DICTATORSHIP
v44forme1 8 months ago
you make a great point, however i think any job's we give to ILLEGAL'S is still screwing us in the long run?
308SHARPSHOT 8 months ago
@308SHARPSHOT What the fuck do illegals have to do with Nafta you stupid moron? If they're in Mexico they're not illegal you bozo.
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OmegaBlue69 9 months ago
Drew Carey is so full of shit, my congressman would never lie to me to gain power and votes, politicians just don't do that sort of thing...
seljuq70 9 months ago
"before 'n' afta?"
JoeKopsick4Congress 9 months ago
This comment section is depressing :(
Did you people even watch the video?
Houshalter 9 months ago
propaganda drew, more Despotism
See FDR's FireSide Chats, Bill Of Rights
People who lost their jobs
People who are homeless
People who are dependent
People who are hungry
Are the stuff of DICTATORSHIP
v44forme1 9 months ago
All lies, over 58.000 companies left the USA, fuck free trade.
v44forme1 9 months ago
@v44forme1 its not the fault of free trade. that is a result of our high corporate tax
firebadger101 8 months ago
Listen guys and gals, we should all be for mechanical automation. Working like robots is impairing our decision making. What needs to change is how we validate payments. Maybe in the future self education could be rewarded before a product is made as long as we keep to our goals. What a novel idea. It’s an uncomfortable thought for previous generations just like abundance for all but things are changing faster than ever.
juanky525 9 months ago
@juanky525 well said. I am all for people doing more with their time than pushing a button. everyone's time is valuable and it is a shame that so much time is wasted doing something that a machine could do.
prozacpacman 9 months ago
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No surprise to see , President Jesus 2.0 was going to run again.. The arrogant bastard probably thinks he’s going to have as easy a time of it as he did in 2008. Sorry, Barry, this time U have to run on your record.
One bright side to this, I’m looking forward to laughing in the faces of supporters as they tell me how he deserves a second term
Ive never seen a politician purport to have bad intentions, no matter what the agenda. Hitler thought he was doing the world a favor
onstageagain 9 months ago
Come on Drew we thought better of you than PREACHING PROPAGANDA of the Corporate and Government interest
Of the 26 million jobs he talks of being created , he never once mentions these are mainly all low paying service industry jobs and not higher paying skilled labor jobs like manufacturing and technical industry jobs, that once outsourced overseas become low paying jobs, paying $5 per day in Mexico or $2 a day in China. It's all about the bottom line for the corporations.
Conflagration2100 10 months ago
and before people keep arguing me, learn the definition of GREED.
GREED is an excessive desire to possess wealth or goods with the intention to keep it for one's self. Greed - like lust and gluttony - is a sin of excess. Greed is inappropriate expectation. However, greed is applied to a very excessive or rapacious desire and pursuit of wealth, status, and power.
heavenguy 10 months ago
@heavenguy Every economist knows that "[i]t is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest."
Sure, strangers only do stuff for you because they want something else for you. But looking at motives alone is a poor way to understand the economy.
UnconformistSheep 10 months ago
@UnconformistSheep Its a "poor way" in your eyes, but not false. People corrupts goverments, polititians, and brake laws in order to make a greedy profit. That is the number one reason why the economy is so screwed this days. GREED!! Don't complicate the reality with fancy words to analyze the obvious. There is no worst blind person that the one who doesn't want to see. and you my friend dont want to see past your economical theories. Human emotions control what they think at some point in life
heavenguy 10 months ago
America will be so much better when its Mexico Jr..
knightschwartz 10 months ago
Draft Drew Carey to run for Senate in 2012! Go to Facebook and type in 'Drew Carey 2012' !!!!!
RileyE104 11 months ago
I'm proud of Reason TV and Drew Carry for doing this. People bash NAFTA because they know next to nothing about the economies and politics of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. They listen to 10 second sound bites that are editted the hell out of on purpose to scare the hell out of people. We need honesty not propaganda which is what those who are against NAFTA constantly spill.
NAUisthefuture 11 months ago 10
@NAUisthefuture Fuck you, NAFTA is killing America. You are the one selling propaganda.
rickbar123 8 months ago
@rickbar123 You're forgetting minimum wage... (at least as far as job killing goes...)
Rensune 8 months ago
Who's land is it anyway ?
luc649 11 months ago
Drew needs to skip the ecoonomic analysis and stick with the price is right. His analysis of NAFTA is completely wrong.
nadadreamer 11 months ago
OK OK You made your point!! I guess socialism wins in the end.
SuperNorthAmerica 11 months ago
Okay, Drew, I've got a question for you...WHAR'S MAI JERB!?
smiledammit24 11 months ago
To divert hounds from pursuing a scent, a herring would be dragged across their path. To divert you from pursuing the money, politics, and effects of NAFTA, Drew Carey diverts your attention to the effects of technology.
Carey should spend a couple years working in a Mexican auto parts factory for General Motors.
urbanverificationist 11 months ago
Yeswecanbot for President!
kev3d 1 year ago
You don't need government (NAFTA) to create free trade. Free trade means no government intervention. Government can do nothing but destroy wealth.
furyofbongos 1 year ago
@furyofbongos Quite right. Nafta has opened up some markets, but hundreds of pages of regulations are hardly free trade. What ought to exist is the allowance for any good to be moved between the US, Canada and Mexico with no tariffs. Let consumers decide what they want and how much they want to pay for it.
kev3d 1 year ago
Really I don't like NAFTA or GATT. Not from xenophobia but because free trade is a relatively simple concept that does not require 4000 pages to explain. I would suspect that somewhere in these documents are a lot of concessions that favor large campaign contributors.
listener523 1 year ago
unfortunately, these are the concecuences of having a profit based economy. It's a vicious cycle that is caused by capitalism and greed.
edersiomoran 1 year ago
@edersiomoran
Compared to how things went in Russia, where the political elite had all the privileges and lived in wealth, and the common man starved or waited in hours long lines for basic staples like milk and bread.
But then again, that's the consequences of having a non-profit based economy. A vicious cycle that is caused by communism and greed.
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@AdamaGeist
@edersiomoran
I'm just wondering which comment is more offtopic.
Ontopic:
Technological Unemployment may not be an issue now, but it will be in the future when all service jobs will be automated as well. Then what will we do? People lose Jobs, the Purchasing Power of the Consumer will decline, the Producer will have less turnover and even more people are laid off.
A vicious cycle that is caused by automation & decline of 'Surplus Value'.
whahas 1 year ago
Doesn't get payed,doesn't get benefits, doesn't go on breaks" Are you describing robots or Mexicans? This applies to both. Where are they making things with robots? They close down regular factories all the time and I haven't heard of this big wave of robot factories. Comedy. I thought Drew was smarter than that. Oh well
MrSafetymeeting 1 year ago 2
2:07...a mexican in the booth swiping the card....mexicans arent taking our jobs...?...
p1b1harper 1 year ago
@p1b1harper Ha. Ha. Very funny racism you have there, bro.
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
Im a LASER operator or was before I was laid off. You need people to operate the machinery some runs on its own, like auto factories. But majoirty needs an operator laser,mill,lathe,plasma. etc.... NAFTA is screwing this country up. Look at China there are straight banking off of us. If you was to look at all the money they saved from not paying a tax on trade it would be an astounding figure
bob112233b 1 year ago
NAFTA= America's down fall! Here is why:
1. Americans make and average of $18.50 an hour. Mexicans make an average of $8.50 a day! Come on and do the math! It's not rocket science!
2. American regulations: OSHA, EPA, DHEC, IFC, IBC, IPC, IEC, State Licensing, and the list goes on. These cost American industry millions of dollars every year!
Mexican regulations: None
3. Americans pay 24.2% income taxes. Mexicans only pay 19.5%
4. FLSA= Overtime required over 40 hours
yank2441 1 year ago
@yank2441 1. And people in Tanzania make a lot less - so what?
2. Regulations are killing the US, that's correct. This has nothing to do with our trade with Mexico other than they're regulations are less than ours and they can usually make things cheaper. We won't stop trading with them regardless. The problem isn't NAFTA, it's the stupid regulations.
3. So what?
4. FLSA = More governmental regulatory bullshit.
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heavenguy 1 year ago
Haha, awesome ending.
breakinthebend 1 year ago
Drew Carey Sounds Like an Idiot in This Video, If he was in One of those GMC warehouses he would beg the differ, of course millions of jobs where going to rise up since nafta was Came to be New Buisness Where Built But when it comes down To Labor Work For Major Corporations Or Telecomunications as Sprint Or Over the Phone Customer Service theres Millions Of Jobs Being Lost cause i am ashamed to say i worked for Sprint in Dalla Reps in india Transfer to me Cause customer Didnt understand Him
BIGMAN281 1 year ago
@BIGMAN281 Where in God's name did you learn to communicate?
potosinodelcerro12 1 year ago
It wasn't Europa, it was Eurasia, Drew...
aYankee102587 1 year ago
TVP
BBthzPrisonerOfWar 1 year ago
Guys, protectionism is embraced by the left and right -- what would be your most populist pitch for free trade (preferably an accurate one)? :)
I grind when politicians say "if we don't buy from them, they won't buy from us", but it's still the best way to sell free trade I guess.
picapauengracado 1 year ago
if this were true all nations would suffer from the same fate of machines taking over jobs. it's only here, everyone's working in China, trust me.
uturniaphobic 1 year ago
@uturniaphobic sorry mate but this is true. they close 6 video stores around my neiborghood . 46 jobs where lost because people prefer netflix or those vending machines. the thing is that slowly but surely big corporations are expanding their markets. And the more they expand the more they require cheap labor to do the jobs. you can replace 10 people with one machine and only give one job to a person who can fix and operate this machine. that my friend its the future.
heavenguy 1 year ago
@heavenguy So, who built the machine? Machines?
minowekay 1 year ago
@minowekay technically most of the proccess of building this machines are done by machines. But the deal is that they are replacing a lot of small paying jobs by very few decent paying jobs. It's amazing how machines are replacing humans in a lot of jobs, just look around... So the more people with no jobs, the more people on wellfare. Well you get the picture...
heavenguy 1 year ago
@heavenguy
What you say sounds similar to something I've heard before. Lets see if I can remember. Oh right, the loom replacing the folks making hand woven cloth. Or the cotton gin. Motorized vehicles.
Every time the world was going to be ruined and no one would have work. And guess what, every time the opponents to the new technology were wrong.
KaelinSaint 1 year ago
@KaelinSaint I’m not against technology. I’m against technology that takes away jobs and eliminates the source of low income jobs. (People that aren’t college material have to work somewhere, right?) And who gets richer, the %1 of the population who don’t need to get richer but greed makes them want more and more. Then again we live in a capitalist country, so what else can you expect. Then again all the “New” Technology you said need someone to operate them right? These machines don’t.
heavenguy 1 year ago
@heavenguy
All the technology I listed displaced thousands of jobs. Especially the loom which could weave hundreds of yards of cloth with one operator. According to your own argument you would have been against that. Something that made clothes affordable to the masses.
The masses you speak of may not get richer but their products get much cheaper. What is the overall impact on making things more affordable to the poor? They can buy it.
We do not live in a capitalist country.
KaelinSaint 1 year ago
@KaelinSaint read the messegae i posted to spec24
heavenguy 1 year ago
@heavenguy Have you ANY clue how many jobs were displaced by the computer? OR as another poster mentioned the loom? Or how about the automobile? Or the airplane? Or flashlights, cell phones, furnaces, refrigerators, televisions, microwaves, satellites. I mean give me a break. Every new technology displaces someone, somewhere. In your world we'd put an end to progress so you could keep your minimum wage job. And like the other poster said, this isn't a Capitalist country.
spec24 1 year ago
@spec24 The US isn’t a capitalist country? That’s a new one… Maybe it’s not a fair market, but it’s a capitalist country alright. If you don’t believe me look it up or take an economics class whatever. Again, I’m not against technology. But I’m against technology that destroys jobs. These types of machines don’t bring that many benefits and it’s the reflection greedy comapnies for maximizing profits.
heavenguy 1 year ago
@heavenguy
It is you who needs the economic lesson. The United States is not a capitalist country. Minimum wage, social security, Medicare, ADA, and every other BS gov't regulation are not part of a capitalist country. Now that gov't is climbing in bed with GM and others we are moving towards a fascism.
KaelinSaint 1 year ago
@KaelinSaint lol... the US has a capitalist mixed economy...'But still, a capitalist country. The choice of going to McD or burger king, the choice of going to school or not, the choice of opening a busnies or work makes it a capitalist country. If you cant understand that there is nothing i can say or do to make you change your mind. Now I agree with you, the gov't its full of corruption and only seems to be helping the big companies.
heavenguy 1 year ago
@KaelinSaint
No country is pure capitalist its all a mix of socialism and capitalism. Every developed,civilized country has those services. I agree US shouldn't bail out companies but I understand why they did it. No US isn't fascist but a plutocracy. The corporations own the government not the other way around.
jxsilicon9 6 months ago
@heavenguy You must not work in manufacturing, that's obvious. Most machines are not built by machines in this country. They are still put together by people. And no - you're wrong. You have it backwards - the more welfare, the more people will be on it, which is what we have now. I also see very few machines lugging their toolboxes to fix those broken machines. Repair is big business and people, so far, will always be needed to fix them.
spec24 1 year ago
@spec24 cont... while a lot of the big machines are built by machines by the really large companies, cars, tractors, etc, much is still built by hand. And even when a good deal is put together by machines there are still people involved.
spec24 1 year ago
@spec24 You need to understand the difference between machines that are great for people and progress, and machines that replace humans just to maximize profits. That’s my only argument, Rich people becoming richer. It’s all about GREED!! I’m good with machines that help build better cars and microchips and stuff, I’m against machines that replaces humans in so many ways.
heavenguy 1 year ago
@heavenguy
And who decides that a machine is good for people? I'm all about profit. The greatest inventions and discoveries in the world are driven by profit. The United States was discovered through a pursuit of profit. Almost all medical advances are from profit. Part of pursuing profit is becoming more efficient. Another economic lesson. Learn about the types of capital and how they interact in a market. Which one is better is determined by efficiency.
KaelinSaint 1 year ago
@KaelinSaint also profit is not bad. Profit with greed is bad. Is sad to see people who defend companies who they make them believe they form of the same company but when they dont need them the trow them awat like trash when they want to make "more profit" Companies now are about profits. and they dont care who they hurt or what they destroy, its all about the profits.
heavenguy 1 year ago
@KaelinSaint now not all biggest inventions were driven by profit. Like that guy who created the polio vaccine. Now he was a real human hero and a good example of good human nature. and there is tons of people who are driven by good faith. I'm all about, helping people, studying, common welfare. and let me make you remember one important thing what the constitution of the US says.
heavenguy 1 year ago
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@KaelinSaint "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America" It doesnt say. "Us the companies in order to make more profit... "
heavenguy 1 year ago
@heavenguy Very nice quote and I wonder why someone marked this as spam, because I just think that you are very right. I also agree on your rant about Technological Unemployment. Mechanization made more new jobs, eventually, then it replaced, but I wonder if you can say the same thing about Automation.
We even have 3D-printers that Print 3D-printers!
What about automated house-building?
Companies will always try to minimize costs and maximize profits, but this earth has it limits.
whahas 1 year ago 3
@whahas Thank you Sir. People have a hard time understanding the difference between a fair market and a monopolized one, between a technology advancement and Automation, some even fail to understand what capitalism really is. I just believe that the greediness of the companies is the main problem. And people fail to realize that machines are now taking jobs not only on the productivity area but also on customer service and many areas that should always belong to a human.
heavenguy 1 year ago
@heavenguy "always belong to a human" until a machine can do it better. This romanticism around "the human touch" is a load of baloney. Every job that currently exists only exists because it hasn't been automated yet. We won't know what the limits of our technological capacity are until we get there, and it seems we're at least a couple of millenniums away from that point.
And automation IS advancement. It ensures we get the same thing for less resources and with no loss in quality.
smiledammit24 11 months ago
@smiledammit24 The world population is 6,898,300,000 people approximately. You have an idea how many people need to work to support a single family? Now imagine all machines replacing human’s jobs. Lots of families won’t have an income. So just imagine the US with no jobs. In a few years the US could become a third world country in a matter of years. Why is so hard to understand that people need jobs? Of course machines can do stuff better but that is not the point.
heavenguy 11 months ago
@heavenguy"Of course machines can do stuff better but that is not the point." The world pop today is roughly 6.9 billion. In 1960 it was roughly 3 billion. Prior to the 1800s, the Earth's population was never more than 1 billion. Big question: What happened for human beings after 1800, that they didn't have before, which substantially increased their standard of living to the point where now they can support 7x more humans?
smiledammit24 11 months ago
@smiledammit24 People forget about the rest of the world when they are doing fine. Who cares right? But if you look on my pasts comments to other people maybe you can understand how I feel and see this problem. The US was formed to make a more perfect union between human beings and to establish general welfare and other great things. In other words I help you so you help me.
heavenguy 11 months ago
@heavenguy But you're description of the world as getting poorer and poorer isn't true. It's the opposite of true. In 1981, 1.9billion lived on $1.25 a day. In 2005 it was 1.3billion. Last year it was 900million. Don't you see a pattern here? If African countries continue to progress at their current rate, they'll halve the number of people in poverty in that region by 2020. What happened? Industrialization, automation, globalization.
smiledammit24 11 months ago
@smiledammit24 And not because the world governments try to mask poverty with the term “relative poverty” it doesn’t mean that poverty is reducing. O no sir, you have to stop relying on Wikipedia for your facts or at least analyze them. And you are saying that earning 1.25 dollars per day world poverty is reducing? Dude, not because people can afford an X-box game working in a two month period it means that poverty is reducing.
heavenguy 11 months ago
@smiledammit24 Again, all you mention it doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that big companies are reducing their staff to greed more profits. If you want me to continue to take you seriously, please stop saying that our future is the Jetsons world. I’m talking about the present and its current problems. And of course it will be nice to have a robot named Rosie doing everything on the house and magically appearing food like it was free, but at least not in our life span.
heavenguy 11 months ago
@heavenguy "Again, all you mention it doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that big companies are reducing their staff to greed more profits."
Of course. Whether you have a market economy or a socialist economy, you want to make use of as few people as you can to produce things, as well as little land, machinery, etc. Those resources are valuable: they have alternative uses. Those people can produce something else, or share the production burden so we all can enjoy more leisure.
UnconformistSheep 10 months ago
@UnconformistSheep sorry mate but that works in the ideal world everyone seems to fantasies about. Tell your "alternative uses" to the 10% of unemployed people in the US alone, Translated to more than 30 million people without jobs. What are this alternative resource you mentioning doing?? Crime?? illegal stuff because they can't support their family? getting the goverment into a huge debt? Why people cant understand the word GREED?
heavenguy 10 months ago
@heavenguy "Tell your "alternative uses" to the 10% of unemployed people in the US alone"
Economists point is about the long term. Obviously it takes time for the economy to adjust, which is why is we have programs like unemployment insurance.
Anyway, the current 10% unemployment figure has nothing to do with NAFTA. During the Great Depression there were 25% unemployed, and free trade had been severely restricted in 1930.
UnconformistSheep 10 months ago
@heavenguy With regard to short term unemployment caused by trade shocks, productivity shocks, etc please notice that those occur whether you open or close your borders. It's the change that causes the unemployment.
Consider the situation: the US and Japan trade wheat for Toyotas. US shuts down trade with Japan. What happens? A lot of farmers will lose their jobs; eventually, the economy adjusts and some workers go on to produce automobiles.
UnconformistSheep 10 months ago
@UnconformistSheep and also, short term, long term, blah, those are just words. Just look around, see the Greed of companies. you don't have to be an "expert in the economy" to understand that there is something wrong. And they always try to blame one another, what you see its the reality, and that reality tells me that less than 1% of the entire earth population really owns this world, and if they want to destroy you, they will.
heavenguy 10 months ago
@UnconformistSheep This is an extensive subject and it takes a real conversation to argue, but just look around. Go from the most poor parts of a city, passing trough a middle class one, and finally end up at the high class. Its not because people don't want to earn profits. Its because we live in some type of of greedy monopolized world, were people defend their wealth with whatever they can. Everyone is competing with everyone. And you can say the BS of yeah that makes a product better. blah!!
heavenguy 10 months ago
@UnconformistSheep at the end Its all about fake money controlled by a central bank, Greedy companies who want to maximize profits using patriotism as an excuse to create war with countries that can't defend themselves to create more money by selling weapons and oil to goverments putting them into more debt, corrupted polititians, drug and human trafficking, and that is all created by what. GREED!!! don't tell me a human being needs tons of cars, properties and stuff? that is greed my friend.
heavenguy 10 months ago 2
@UnconformistSheep Your point only make sense if you occupy the alternative uses with something. Anything that is productive to society. You are just trying to prove your pointwith book theories that fail because human nature. But good point if we live in a world with no human feelings. =)
heavenguy 10 months ago
@UnconformistSheep Paul Krugman of the New York Times has a pretty good book on international trade, called Pop Internationalism. Check it out.
Anyhow, to make the economist point more clear: every economic change causes short term unemployment. Closing trade causes short-term unemployment, and long-term poverty. Freeing trade causes short-term unemployment and long-term prosperity. I hope that clears out any confusion from my first comment.
UnconformistSheep 10 months ago
@smiledammit24 Please understand. I’m not against technology. And when I say that machines should never replace customer service and creativity it’s because what else can a human do if everything is automated. From where people will obtain well earned money to sustain their families Just because companies want to increase their profits by %1 (1% = millions of dollars.)
heavenguy 11 months ago
@heavenguy And now comes the big reveal: What if we didn't use money? The advancement towards completely automated means of production and service means the end of the monetary system. Seriously! Think about it. Your argument boils down to this: If machines take every job, then no one will *have any* work. My argument is that if machines take every job, then no one will *have to* work.
smiledammit24 11 months ago
@smiledammit24 Seriously mate? No monetary system because of machines? Please don’t argue my point of view with a utopia fantasy world created from your imagination just to make rationalistic comments to try to prove me wrong. Prove me wrong with facts not imagination. It’s a waste of time if you just make rationalistic comments that only, well, don’t exist and only exist on your Jetsons futuristic world. Don’t want to sound rude but are you even listening to yourself?
heavenguy 11 months ago
@smiledammit24 The point is it’s not about “romanticism of the human touch” like you try to put it, but It’s about giving people the opportunity to support their families trough a job and the “GREED” of the companies to make more profit. Like you, some people fail to understand the difference between the productivity of a machine and the creativity and customer service of a human being. It’s like talking a foreign language to people.
heavenguy 11 months ago
@heavenguy Okay, but this stuff you're talking about ("creativity and customer service") can and will someday be reproducible by a machine, so like I said it's romanticism, not realism. There isn't some ethereal aspect of human labor that somehow makes it better.
smiledammit24 11 months ago
@smiledammit24 Remember people with no money can’t buy anything no matter how cheap or how many there is of a product. Look at the facts on world poverty; forget about your utopia of machines. Llook at the reality in the present. Forget what is going to happen in the future and argue my point “The Greed of companies to make more profit”. The “standard of living” you mention, it’s a dream for most in the world. Maybe you live in a nice neighbor, but not the rest of the world.
heavenguy 11 months ago
@heavenguy @smiledammit24 @UnconformistSheep @KaelinSaint @spec24
What does a company need to exist in a 'capitalist' world?
Resources
Production Capacity
Turnover
As long as we have 'cheap oil' and such, resources ain't a problem. No I don't take into account the environment, that's another issue.
Production Capacity can be Automated or Outsourced which leads to loss of jobs.
Turnover can either be raised by high prices or low costs.
Does everybody agree on this?
Then I'll tell the problem.
whahas 7 months ago
@heavenguy @smiledammit24 @UnconformistSheep @KaelinSaint @spec24
Automation and Outsourcing happen when a company wants to increase it's turnover by means of cost-efficiency. This only happens when the investment in automatisation or outsourcing isn't that capital-intensive, meaning if people get very low paid jobs, they might keep their job...
Unfortunately, Under- en Un-employment leads to a decrease in Purchasing Power. These Consumers can buy less.
They'll have to borrow...
whahas 7 months ago
@heavenguy @smiledammit24 @UnconformistSheep @KaelinSaint @spec24
People are already hugely in Debt.
They cannot borrow anymore.
How did this happen?
When after World War II mechanisation kicked in, there were lots of products available in the shops.
Increasing wages made it possible for people to buy stuff, but companies wanted to reduce costs, so they did not wanted to raise wages any longer and asked the government for help. [simplified!]
The solution was to give people Credit.
whahas 7 months ago
@heavenguy @smiledammit24 @UnconformistSheep @KaelinSaint @spec24
This brings me to my sincere questions:
What source of 'Income' will be provide to the People this time?
What new Jobs will be created?
What happens if people start to buy less? [This is a Debt-driven Consumer Economy after all]
Prices will drop and Turnover will be decreased.
Debt-deflation will follow, which is nasty, unlike normal deflation.
My point?
Automation isn't the problem, Money created as Debt is.
whahas 7 months ago
@whahas "Mechanization made more new jobs, eventually, then it replaced, but I wonder if you can say the same thing about Automation."
The point economists make is that labor saving devices frees people to do other stuff with their time. Let's say cars are now produced by machines or foreigners. That frees us to open up spas, hospitals, etc.
UnconformistSheep 10 months ago
very interesting. never really thought of this before. thanks for posting.
throwntomato 1 year ago
Ice Pirates, WOW!
RCTPatriot75 1 year ago
7:04 just watched this video on 10/08/10 and they still hate on free trade.
scalp340 1 year ago
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marshaul 1 year ago
this new html5 player sux, take 8x time time to open a video then the flash player, how do I turn it off?
HolyFictionOrg 1 year ago
Oh Drew, which one was it, GM Delphi? Which one cut you a check to say what they wanted you to say??
Slayerfan84 1 year ago
A very soft pitch for "creative destruction". Nicely played. Somebody's spent a little quality time on Wikipedia, apparently.
begrackled 1 year ago
travel lower.Lol wait till the dollar is a peso.then lets see how many americans are jetting to Club Med..No work+no consumption+no capital=no capitilism.Then why are they not teaching our kids how to be better robots?
vagabonddom 1 year ago
The problem with trade liberalization is that it creates a "race to the bottom" for labor and environmental standards. Indeed, in NAFTA, this is called "harmonization" of laws. The contract says that standards must be lowered. It could have said standards must be raised, but high standards for safety, health, and ecology are considered, by businesses, to be a kind of "trade barrier" to be eliminated.
The NAFTA supporters are out to destroy the Clean Water Act and the Clean Air Act.
wildgift2 1 year ago
guys guys stop arguing. i think we can all agree that drew carey is awesome
FTWINZOR 1 year ago
the US is losing the manufacturing to outsourcing, and free traders such as Drew are comfortable in seeing that because they are insulated from the impact of it. Those of us who have lost jobs dues to help desks, being sent to India, or items manufactured in Mexico, Canada, Korea, China, India, or elsewhere.
What is the driving force for outsourcing or mechanizing of manufactured good? Unions. excessive labor costs. Get a life drew. I don't care what you hollywood twits say..
rmueller58 1 year ago
@rmueller58 - While it's true that high wages are responsible for creating the economic conditions to encourage automation and outsourcing, I would not call the labor costs "excessive". They are just higher than the cost of robots or foreign labor.
The main reason why work is sent offshore is not only that labor is cheaper and more abused, but because tariffs were removed on products imported back into the US. NAFTA dropped tariffs on products made along the border.
wildgift2 1 year ago
Since the founding of this country we have had global trade. Our slaves came from africa, our silks came from china, spices from india.... What we do now is not by any definition trade. It is simply trading our manufacturing/ middle class to China so that the working man here has to compete with slavery and "american" corporations can pollute other nations air and water obscenely. My job at Motorola was sent to slave china in "04. Thats when the economic crash happened for me. fuck america
flotonz420 1 year ago
lol
MIKEalTV 1 year ago
NAFTA is organized free trade. It isn't free trade.
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BanjonotBenjo 1 year ago