Martial Arts Odyssey: VoVinam, Hanoi Part 2

[Akira654]

I;m viet, i <3 this vid

[xxvietnamxx]

Good video =)

[scoutcube1]

this guy really knows his material.

i'm surprised he does not have more comments.

[tdok]

I love how you narrate your show. Although it shows some biases base on your personal experiences, it sounds humble and willing to learn. I feel many focus on the fighting and forget about the principles of martial arts.

It seems that you're more influenced by brute force style of striking (swinging roundhouse instead of snapping roundhouse). It must have been great to be able to meet so many other practitioners, styles, and train of thought. I can't wait to go through the rest of your show.

[7721450]

hi it's manny again....i forgot to tell you that in the same spot where you did this video, there are 2 guys who really throwing punches at around 6:30 am....seems like it's a shaolin style...the other guy is using another kung fu style....wish that you met them and made it more interesting...hehehe..

[TheDoom13]

VNmese borrowed 80% of the Chinese Han language, Latin alphabet system in our system nowadays but we still use some of our anciet Vietnamese (Khoa Dau) words and sounds. As you know, China tried to erase the VIET from the earth by forcing Viet to learn Han chinese culture, language ect... & destroyed everything about the Viet.For more than 1000 years under China,100 years under the French, it's very lucky & amazing thing for VN to keep our culture, language, ect... alive today.

[WorldxHistorian]

Sino-Vietnamese vocabulary has a status similar to that of Latin-based words in English: they are used more in formal context than in everyday life.

What that means is we could speak Viet-only without Chinese borrowed words if we wanted to and in everyday speech we actual DO!..

In English we dont say Maxium or Octamium very often but we do in Essay or in Science books as in terms used in high register words. How often do we say Phi-Tian(chinese) rather then Mai-bai(viet) for an aeroplane?

[brooklynmonk1]

no the latin analogy doesnt work because english is a latinate and germanic language. it goes in both categories which means we have shared roots. viet, as you pointed out, has a unique root so all of the chinese vocabulary is borrowed. and no you couldnt speak without using chiense words. if you go througha newspaper and circle the chinese words it would be nearly all of them

[TheDoom13]

have u ever learn Vietnamese?? Or u just got assumptions elsewhere? Everything in Chinese Han can be translate into Viet

There were many stage of Vietnamese. The fist 1 was called "Khoa Dau", it existed uring ther Hong Bang dynasties. Then came the HAN-VIET (Chu Nho), then came "Quoc Ngu" the system that the VIET's using today. Qoc NGU is a combination of the Old & New Vietnamese. Everyone borrow something from others but the Khoa Dau was the root in our modern Quoc Ngu system.

[brooklynmonk1]

yes i studied vietnamese before writing my articles, which you may also consider doing, study i mean. and if you google my name plus the word vietnamese you can find a lot of articles that i wrote about the language. but i am not talking about quoc ngu, i wasnt taling about wirting system, only vocabulary.

[TheDoom13]

lol How long and how much VNmese have you study?? I studied VNmese all my life. Many of the European languages borrowed from each others.

Yes, VN did borrow some of the words from the Han Chinese becuz of the Han Chinese influences in VN, but the VNmese current Quoc Ngu vocabularies & tones were based on the ancient Vietnamese Khoa Dau.

[brooklynmonk1]

so we are in agreement then? 80% of vietnamese vocabulary comes from chinese. that is all i said. i dont know why you got so ypset about it. but if you ask any expert they will agree. one more question, have you actually studied ABOUT vietnamese langauge or you mean you speak vietnamese? there is a huge difference. and do you speak chinese?

[TheDoom13]

I dont speak Chinese, but I do know Han-Viet. Everything in Han can also translate into Viet.

People are mistaking that everything about Viet came from Chinese becuz of the 1000 years colonizations. And I dont want U to think that way too.

Like everyone ese, VN WAS ALREADY Developed & Civilized in terms of language, writing, technology, culture ect.. b4 the Han Chinese domination. Sometime, things may look similar, but that doesnt mean they are the same.

[brooklynmonk1]

I never said vietnam didnt have a developed culture. they do. and if you bothered to read any of the linguistic artiocles i wrote about vietnam i said that they were developed and the language was unique. but it is an absolute fact, which would take less than ten secons on the internet to confirm, that 80% of vietnamese vocabulary is chinese. and if you dont sopeak chinese who would you even be qualified to have this discussion? where did you study linguistics?

[lazy702622]

@brooklynmonk1 60% is chinese, natualize chinese words would push it up to maybe 70% but not 80% that is a fact. look it up yourself. 80% is a figure most amateur linguist come up with due to confusing austro asiatic words which were naturalized into chinese, which some mistaken as a borrowing from chinese but actual has a vietnamese root. example. Chinese Jiang is a borrowng from Vetnamese SONG which is river. or chinese Gou(dog) from vietnamese Cho(dog) etc. =] alot of new info

[brooklynmonk1]

chinese for airplane is fe gi. i dont know where you got that otehr word.

[lucirz]

@brooklynmonk1 don't forget that the winners write history and thus is very biased, because history books are written by people and people are biased no matter how hard they try not to be. if you look at the vietnamese history books about the VN war and the american history books, they are very different. is one correct and the other wrong? well, no. no doubt that chinese has influence on vietnam

[lucirz]

@brooklynmonk1 cont....but to say that VN had not written system or was somewhat primitive (you did not say this, but it seemed implied) is very ignorant. considering that china had control of VN for a while, they might have got rid of important historical items or re-written VN history the way they wanted and destroyed any previous VNese history books. also china did not control vietnam for 1000 years, because there were brief periods of rebellion and vietnam regained independence on and off.

[brooklynmonk1]

@lucirz there was no Vietnamese writing system before the Chinese system. that is not ignorance, that is a fact. if you have documentation to the contrary, please share it with me.

i don't write from a position of ignorance, i write from a position of research, experience and knowledge. if you found any factual inaccuracies in my video please point them out to me.

Antonio

[MrArmstrong1990]

@lucirz they did controlled us from 1000 yrs even more. There were brief periods of Independence but they were very short. That doesnt mean anything- while other cultures may have accepted being conquered we managed to hang on to our heritage and won back the independence even after 1000 years.

[brooklynmonk1]

@MrArmstrong1990 True, but, it is undeniable that the religion, langauge and martial arts of Vietnam were permanently influenced by china. even the imperial system of bao Dai was based on the chinese court. Vietnam has it's own unique language and culture, but we must recognize the Chinese influence.

[TheDoom13]

A Human Being got only 2 hands & 2 legs + a Head, so no matter what you tried do, there will be some similarity looks in their forms. Sometime things may look similar but that doesnt mean they came from the same root. For everyone that think VN came from China is dead wrong and ignorance. VN and China are two differences race and country. China took over VN for 1000 years, that dosnt mean VN & China were related. Ex; Mexico speaks Spanish, does that mean that Mexicans came from Spain?

[brooklynmonk1]

Actually Mexico was part of Spain for 300 years. And that is why they speak Spanish. 60 -80% of Vietnamese language is Chinese. I am a linguist and have published numerous articles on Vietnamese language. Even the word vo co truyen is a Chinese word. Even the country name Viet Nam. Nam is the Chinese word for south because Vietnam was south china.

[TheDoom13]

@brooklynmonk1 I am talking about the Mexican Root (Race). Mexican had their own language and culture, but they got dominated by the Spain, thats y they speak Spanish instead of the Mayan. The Mexican are not the same as Spain people. Just like VN and China. VN got it own culture, race and language system called "Khoa Dau". VN got dominated by China and forced to learn Chinese. VN is VN nd China is China, they are not the same. VN just have big influences from China thats all

[brooklynmonk1]

i agree Vietnam has its own culture and langauge and is not the same as chinese. but about the writing, the vietnamese didnt have a written langauge before they started using chinese and that is why today they use a modifiedd latin alphabet.

[TheDoom13]

@brooklynmonk1 u should check out " Khoa Đẩu" a Vietnamese language/ wring system. The Vietnamese is working on revising this ancient Vietnamese language/writing system. This Khoa Dau existed during the Hong BANG dynasty, be4 the CHINeSE FIRST domination period. Duringthe Hong Bang period, VN already hs teachers that each people thisKHOA DAU writing, ect.. Now people can find this system on the Ancient DongSon Bronze Drums, scriptes, mountains walls ect...

[lucirz]

@brooklynmonk1 vietnam did have their own writing system before the chinese came. as thedoom13 mentions, it's called Khoa Đẩu. check that out.

[GuardianDemonX]

@brooklynmonk1 u keep saying 80% vietnamese language is coming from the chinese is start to piss me off dude, vietnamese language got nothing to do with the chinese, we cannot understand chinese dude

[brooklynmonk1]

@GuardianDemonX I never claimed you could understand Chinese. In fact, i don't find it hard to believe that you have never studied the langauge. 60-80% of vietnamese vocabulary comes from Chinese. Until the twentieth century, Chinese was the only written language widely used in Vietnam. in fact there is no ancestral written language in Vietnam, predating the French alphabet. That fact, plus 1,000 of Chinese domination, brought a lot of Chinese langauge and culture to Vietnam.

[MrArmstrong1990]

@brooklynmonk1 No dude, we didnt use chinese as the written language, we used Chu nom which used the writing system from the Chinese but it wasnt Chinesse. If you talk to one of my friend, he would give you at least an hour talk about how Chinese and Vietnamese are not the same.

And 60% to 80% thing is not true.

[brooklynmonk1]

@GuardianDemonX Vietnamese is a mon-Khmer language, which should make most of the words multi-sylabic. but the majority of vietnamese words are single syllable compound words which match, identically to their corresponding Chinese characters. and once you have studied BOTH languages, then you see the correlation. The religion, the culture, the royal house, the language and the martial arts of Vietnam clearly have Chinese roots. You should study Vietnamese history and language.

[vsdongphuonghoi]

Lại thêm tên cải lương Ngọc Linh Tử nào nữa thế ? Coi phim kiếm hiệp nhiễm đạo sĩ thúi à ?

Tụi bay làm loạn võ lâm, mới chính là tội đồ của các danh môn chính phái.

Thằng nào thằng nấy mặt búng ra sữa mà thích khai tông lập phái.'

Trong khi võ công thì như kít họ.

Khỏi phải thanh minh thanh nga, cái ngọc dương tử của chú em cũng chưa là gì đâu.

[TheDoom13]

stupid music

[ngoclinhtu]

Mình là Ngọc Linh Tử bạn của Nhân cũng là hội chủ của Đông Phương Hội. Hy vọng rằng các bạn đừng bị hiềm khích bởi những người ném đá dấu tay như MrDongphuonghoi vì lời phê phán như vậy không phải là chủ trương của DPH.

[MrDongphuonghoi]

Môn này chắc hẳn do mấy thằng béo bắc kỳ mới đẻ ra. võ VN loạn rồi, đánh đấm thế mà cũng vênh váo post lên à ?

[Bebopchiflow]

great video

you seem to know how to find the

martial artist who know what there talking about.

5 stars

[GetDamage]

thanks for the video. I'm surprise that your teacher did not make you learn to stretch on a regular bases and build your stabilizer leg muscles at the beginning of your study. It's pretty easy to injure yourself if you have weak stabilizer muscles while swinging your legs back and forth with all that weight. Similar to weightlifting, you need to have strong stabilizer muscles to prevent injuries.

[GetDamage]

That's why those slow motion kicking is great for training and the horse stance.You can even throw your back out and cause a serious injury or a torn leg muscle. I thinks it's a great thing that you are learning the vietnamese and chinese martial arts because they focus more on flexibility and balance which will balance the power in boxing, muay thai, and bokator. Keep it up. Good work. 5stars

[TheLibertard]

You pay for what you get. Crap!

[lagook]

the video or the martial art?

[dongbaii]

he..he..nguoi quen

[jiand21]

awesome man!!

looks like ur having a blast!!

nice..keep it up buddy!!