It's ironic that a woman who claims to respect individual thinking so much expects her daughter to believe all of her beliefs. But I do agree with her take on religion.
@unwell333 That was kind of the point of the relationship between Ingrid and Astrid. Ingrid never allowed her to be her own person because she was controlling and felt her ideals were "enlightened", or better than others. So, Astrid, never having a developed sense of self, became whoever her foster parents/home influenced her to be at the time were. Like, consumed by her environment. At the end, she stands up to her mother and becomes her own person, blah blah blah. haha
Where is she coming from Religion does not prevent one from thinking for themselves it encourages it unless you are in a cult or the dictatorships of Western Goverments where they do the thinking for you.
idk...if my husband and foster child were screwing around, and she does know what she's doing here... it would mess with my mind too. his ass would be in jail, and she would be out.
@hezziattubeyou Probably because she has a child of her own; so despite her history of drug problems, she would appear to have a strong sense of responsibility when it comes to the caring and upbringing of another individual.
@MADDOG6400 Have some respect. I don't care whether you're agonstic/atheist/catholic/budhist/muslim/whatever... but I'm Christian and I have never shown disrespect to any other belief/disbelief. What you believe is your business. But don't go around being disrespectful to what other people believe... it's pathetic.
@FluroUnderwear I have to agree with you. You are being fair in your comment. I happen to be an Atheist, but I respect Christians and their beliefs. I respect anyone of any religion whether the religion be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.
@FluroUnderwear This is only a guess, but perhaps the person you replied to is a disbeliever in Christianity, because he or she met Christians who repeatedly disrespected and chastised him/her for committing "sins" (examples of "sins" would include being homosexual, having sex before marriage or in the case of this movie, being a free thinker). However, I and that person should know that there truly are loving Christians in the world who love and accept others just as they are.
@FluroUnderwear "I don't care whether you're agonstic/atheist/catholic/budhist/muslim/whatever... but I'm Christian and I have never shown disrespect to any other belief/disbelief."
Do you respect the beliefs of someone who believes that you should be killed for being a Christian, and who is actively pursuing that goal?
@annasophiie I was a Christian for 19 years. Believe me, I know so much about Christianity and have even read the Bible from front to back. I suggest you learn to know a person before you run your mouth and assume that they don't know anything.
@missKeila1985 Yeah, it's sad because Linsday really had talent once. Besides, this movie was filmed about ten years ago which would've made Lindsay about 14 years old. People would've talked shitabout having an underage girl play this role. The thing about Alison is that she just LOOKS young but she was really about 20 when she filmed this movie.
so astrid was having an affair with ray? when i first saw the movie i never got that! i thought it was just flirting n stuff. btw the actress who plays astrid is gorgeous!
A kid left on her own to grow up 2gether with a former stripper "with vocabulary of 20 words" ;-)) ,who fills bound with the only one that shows interest in her as intimate as mother can b, but..a man, who has relation with a woman he feels estranged already.And Astrid is actualy a little pretty woman @ that moment. Don't stick 2 prescribed psyq-terms like pedofile or Lolita-syndrom.Things r more complictd here.I haven't read the book though, talking about the movie.
Ray doesn't fit AT ALL the character in the book. And although he looked younger than described, this whole relationship (all details of which where cut of from the movie by the way) that they have seems A LOT more creepy on the screen than in the book. Probably because I'm actually SEEING it, a 13/14 year old with an older man.
I know this is just T.V., but since when does the Bible say that man's ability to reason is evil? I'm so tired of idiots talking out their butts. Pick up a book and learn something.
@AgApE010 I'm certainly not an expert, but I think there's a bit of Leviticus that gets interpreted to mean that. (or at least that 'following your own moral compass' rather than the strict Levitican rules is wrong). It's the same book of the old testament that advocates for stoning all sinners tho, so most sensible Christians don't pay it much attention.
Leviticus actually never says that following your moral compass is wrong. As a matter of fact, the Bible elsewhere states that our consciences are God-given, along with our ability to reason, which is part of what being made "in the image God" means.
@AgApE010 Tracked down the 'moral compass' quote I was thinking of, Deuteronomy 29:19-20 (found it through the Brick Testament ;-) ). I generally get the impression that it's only the likes of young-earth creationists and other fundies who are really against 'reason' and using our brains (e.g. "don't question the Pastor! Now give him all your spare money, he needs another mansion!"). If anything, science shows the world to be even more wonderful: rather than 'mud', we are made of stardust :-)
With regards to using reason in religion, I find Galileo's quote to be appropriate here: "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
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No my friend, we are not made from stardust. Such was the ignorance of Sagan, a torch that has now been carried by Hawking. There is zero evidence for such a claim and, under examination, it is exceedingly absurd.
@AgApE010 Um, the 'stardust' comment was based on the fact that as far as anyone can tell, any atoms larger than helium are formed by stars in their later life stages (once the hydrogen runs out and hydrogen to helium fusion is no longer possible, the helium can start fusing. if the gravity is high and the collapse is fast enough you get a supernova). I'm a biologist rather than cosmologist however, so would be interested if you have more detailed or up-to-date information.
I understand from whence the stardust comment is derived and I understand how certain molecules are formed in stars' furnaces. It does not follow that life on this Earth came about by this process; such would be utterly impossible.
@AgApE010 Small technicality: we are talking about the formation of atoms and matter. Molecules are covalently linked atoms, and the covalent bonds don't exist at the temperatures within stars. As a biologist I can tell you that there's no magical difference between carbon atoms found in living organisms and carbon atoms found in meteorites. If you could gather together enough meteorite matter you could happily grow a plant, the seed will germinate and the plant take up the atoms around it.
"If you could gather enough meteorite matter you could happily grow a plant"
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Assuming that the seed, soil, water and oxygen, and sunlight already exists. Face it, if you're an atheist, you need to end up arguing for eternal matter and/or spontaneous generation or some other absurd nonsense in order to hold on to your world-view.
@AgApE010 The meteorite matter being used as the source of the soil, water and oxygen, with light and the seed the only input. All the elements required could easily be made into the right environment for a plant to grow and take up those elements to make it a part of itself, with the only input as sunlight. We eat the plant, and the meteorite atoms become part of us. Hence, our atoms being stardust. The cycle of matter through living beings is separate from the issue of evolution.
So you are trying to say that water and soil on this earth is the result of meteorite matter. While it is true that celestial matter is the same as terrestrial matter, I don't see why you need to specify and hang on to meteorites as the cause of all these things. That simply does not follow.
@AgApE010 I don't want you to think this is an attack, I am genuinely curious in why you think the way you do, as the most devout christian I know is the daughter of a physics teacher and finds wonder and joy in God in the nature of the cosmos (loves the 'we are stardust' connection to the stars), and other discoveries of science. Personally I am a pagan, not an atheist (Jesus was cool but I have problems with most other Christian theology. Most christians I know in person are lovely people tho)
I'm in LOVE with Astrid's mom she's beautiful, independent, has a don't give a crap attitude, and she fierce. gosh i wish i grew up to be like her(except for the murdering aspect about her lol)
@00Grapefruit001 She certainly does. But the actress, Alison Lohman, was wearing a wig throughout the entire film. She was entirely bald. All of her natural hair was shaved away, because apparently, she starred as a cancer patient in a previous film.
yeah claire and ray were so poorly cast.. i think maggie gyllenhall would have been a better pick.. or even kate beckensale.. really anyone.. and for ray i would have cast the guy in erin brokovich (her boyfriend)
So Astrid & Ray had sex?? I watched this movie when I was really young (well not that young, but I didn't know much then XD) so I didn't know that Ray was supposed to be a sick dude for "doing" a 13-yr-old girl. I actually thought the connection between Ray & Astrid was beautiful :D
loveub88, it gets worse in the novel. and yeah, ray's casting sucks. i was thinking of an older, less attractive paul rudd. someone more lovable than this guy. robin wright penn, however, is amazing! she totally fits the role.
Robin Wright Penn is great in this. I think they cast Claire really poorly though. She looks nothing like the book character. Renee Zellwegger doesn't play her as fragile as she is in the book.
@FMLdoodez give it a rest, there are charachters that give all sorts of people bad names. just get over it. Only stupid people would actually form opinions based on films where charachters are made up.
@hello10577 I know but i still care what stupid ppl think. i know characters put bad names on all sorts of ppl i was just complaining about this particular character can't i whine in peace?!?! for once?
her mother doesnt think about any one but her self the poor kid ,has to deal with her mother in jail..and her mother should be glad she is ok ..yes she would be a serial killer good job she got caught when she did,,
he is seducing a broken and vunarable child, its so wrong, why did starr say good man? i feel sorry for the woman in this movie, they totaly are in mans hands, preaching independce.
"THIS IS A MOVIE. JUST A MOVIE. IF YOU PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I SUGGEST YOU HAVE IT WITH THE PRODUCER. ME? I WILL JUST SWITCH TO ANOTHER PART. BUT YOU? I GUESS YOU WILL KEEP WATCHING LIKE HYPOCHRITS." No ERROR JUST THE DAM TRUTH> YOU ARE ALL SICK>
Her mom is so twisted- the poor girl. Everything is about the mom, and never the girl. Sure, Astrid was happy, but she was messed up pretty bad before her mom even killed her boyfriend.
@orangeisastupidword I think Star is far more twisted than Ingrid though. Ingrid is a quite arrogant and self centered (to say the least) but she has some class about her.
Star is such a nasty skank. She's having loud sex with her kids in the next room and the way she boasts (loudly) about her drug use is sickening. If not, than she's bragging about Jesus, even though she's all faith and no action. Everything about Star is vile and nasty. I'd rather be raised by Ingrid than Star any day.
I disagree...Starr may be hypocritical in her faith but at least she's aspiring to something higher. She may be a bit less refined than Ingrid but on the inside she is trying to be a better person. Ingrid is cruel, heartless, textbook definition of a sociopath. The only reason she cares for Astrid is b/c she makes a good sidekick who happens to have her DNA. Starr tries to be kind to Astrid, cares about her salvation. Starr is humble enough to admit her mistakes.
@orangeisastupidword i know what it's like to have a narcissistic parent; you had to suppress/deny your willpower, otherwise, you get severely abused...
"men dont like women who try to own them." this is something that took me years before the lights finally came on about that. should your partner be faithful to you?
absolutely. however, if they arent, that should be a big clue how they feel about the relationship. if theyre really committed to you, youd should never even have to tell them not to do anything to jeopardize it. ans turning up the pyschotic is not going to make him love you
@cinthialopez1 i don't think she does it to spite starr. i think it's because she's never had a father, and he's the first kind person, and she's only 13. and she's lost
i don't think they had enough info because there's isn't much to suggest they had sex, even if he told her she was beautiful and they stared at each other for a few seconds or something to suggest there was a spark there. and she looks about 15
Astrid is sooo beautiful, I can only stare at her. She does have a great body too. Alison Lohman is 30 right now and she still looks young, she looks like she's sixteen at 30, wow!
"FUCK my redemption, I don't want to be redeemed; I regret NOTHING." I love that line.
Luciusdeatheater 1 day ago
I'm not Christian, probably more like atheist, and I agree with @FluroUnderwear
joshkidwell3 1 week ago
yeah in the book astrid and ray had sex
but they didn't show it in the movie.
jesslynne83 1 week ago
@rh2th I agree religions suck
Baylorchick20 1 month ago
Michelle Pfeiffer is GOEGEOUS. I love her!(:
stephhlovexx 2 months ago
did astrid and ray had sex
19chrystal 2 months ago
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Yes.
bobandavacado 2 months ago
@19chrystal In the book, they did.
flawedxromancexo 1 month ago
I'm horny
theofficialrikan 2 months ago
It's ironic that a woman who claims to respect individual thinking so much expects her daughter to believe all of her beliefs. But I do agree with her take on religion.
unwell333 2 months ago
@unwell333 That was kind of the point of the relationship between Ingrid and Astrid. Ingrid never allowed her to be her own person because she was controlling and felt her ideals were "enlightened", or better than others. So, Astrid, never having a developed sense of self, became whoever her foster parents/home influenced her to be at the time were. Like, consumed by her environment. At the end, she stands up to her mother and becomes her own person, blah blah blah. haha
Amadeusx89 6 days ago in playlist white oleander
@BurningRaids one of the few logical comments.
QueenLilith82 2 months ago
@QueenLilith82 I have to agree...lol. There are SO many more things to discuss regarding this movie.
whatanightmare1 2 months ago
Astrid has such a pretty name and pretty hair.
kenyafosho 4 months ago
@KakashiGirl33 I do too she is so phoney and self-centered.
Summergirl9091 5 months ago
i love astrid but she's so vulnerable and naive
Bitesize1991 5 months ago
Starr's breasts aren't big enough. In the book they were described them as huge.
RainboRainicorn 5 months ago
Where is she coming from Religion does not prevent one from thinking for themselves it encourages it unless you are in a cult or the dictatorships of Western Goverments where they do the thinking for you.
starlight76able 5 months ago
maybe their affair is implied in the movie...i mean, maybe they are "having sex", we just don't see it ( i guess in the interest of modesty)
tonedabigmac1 6 months ago
idk...if my husband and foster child were screwing around, and she does know what she's doing here... it would mess with my mind too. his ass would be in jail, and she would be out.
Lillzbe 6 months ago
@Lillzbe
she's a shit foster mother anyway. why they even allow her to foster kids is beyond me. she doesn't even have anough room.
hezziattubeyou 5 months ago 4
@hezziattubeyou Probably because she has a child of her own; so despite her history of drug problems, she would appear to have a strong sense of responsibility when it comes to the caring and upbringing of another individual.
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LunaticSuka 6 months ago
her speech to Astrid is similar to Mufasa's speech to Simba @ 2:09 "you are my son and the one true king, remember who you are"
YoYoBlazeShow 6 months ago
This poor girl is getting a sad education from Star and her mother.....not to mention Ray.....this movie is sad.
LALABAI1 6 months ago 3
ray and her did have sex in the book. i also might add that uncle ray is far more attractive in the movie than i pictured in teh book xD
SierraLD2 6 months ago
how old is Astrid supposed to be in this?
wested6 6 months ago
@wested6 She was 23 while recording the movie, but she's supposed to be 15!
SofiaAlskarOlaSalo 6 months ago
@wested6 in the book, she's around 14 - 15 when she starts staying with Star and Ray, so I assume it's the same here.
stolenbaby2008 6 months ago
@stolenbaby2008 I thought she was 12
Summergirl9091 5 months ago
@xLightningbolt haha I agree :D
TheButterflyfly 7 months ago
did astrid and raye have sex? im confused somebody help me
gregorygutkin 7 months ago
@gregorygutkin Not here; Starr was just jealous & paranoid. However, people have been saying that in the book they did have an affair.
TheCandymusiclover 6 months ago
@gregorygutkin ok thx i was confused
gregorygutkin 6 months ago
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suchaBigKiddo 7 months ago
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suchaBigKiddo 7 months ago
that man is so attractive... :3
xLightningbolt 7 months ago
Hahaha yeah star!!ur not gonna bite....but you'll shoot her xD...and astrid WTF don't have sex with Ray ewww
Cooper411 8 months ago 5
allison lohman is a good actress.
godnlenora 8 months ago 3
Thinking for yourself is evil? I guess everyone is evil then.
DynastyRiderez 9 months ago 3
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He is 5 years older than her in real life. she was 22 or 23 when she did this film
SpringDolly 10 months ago
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SpringDolly 10 months ago
Astrid looks like Kirsten Dunst in the Virgin Suicides. beautiful.
Reinspired30 10 months ago 8
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"There's nothing wrong with being a Christian!"
"Are you out of your mind!?"
I have to agree with the mother!
MADDOG6400 11 months ago 54
@MADDOG6400 Then you must be out of your mind :(
Ladymariastella 9 months ago
@MADDOG6400 i agree
mssplatypus 9 months ago
@MADDOG6400 Have some respect. I don't care whether you're agonstic/atheist/catholic/budhist/muslim/whatever... but I'm Christian and I have never shown disrespect to any other belief/disbelief. What you believe is your business. But don't go around being disrespectful to what other people believe... it's pathetic.
FluroUnderwear 9 months ago 73
@FluroUnderwear it's just a movie lol
DynastyRiderez 4 months ago
@DynastyRiderez I'm not referring to the movie. I'm referring to a comment.
FluroUnderwear 4 months ago
@FluroUnderwear he/she is definitely an atheist. only atheists make fun of theists.
valentinaamc2 3 months ago
@FluroUnderwear I have to agree with you. You are being fair in your comment. I happen to be an Atheist, but I respect Christians and their beliefs. I respect anyone of any religion whether the religion be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.
WithAVoiceOfAnAngel3 3 months ago
@FluroUnderwear This is only a guess, but perhaps the person you replied to is a disbeliever in Christianity, because he or she met Christians who repeatedly disrespected and chastised him/her for committing "sins" (examples of "sins" would include being homosexual, having sex before marriage or in the case of this movie, being a free thinker). However, I and that person should know that there truly are loving Christians in the world who love and accept others just as they are.
WithAVoiceOfAnAngel3 3 months ago
@FluroUnderwear "I don't care whether you're agonstic/atheist/catholic/budhist/muslim/whatever... but I'm Christian and I have never shown disrespect to any other belief/disbelief."
Do you respect the beliefs of someone who believes that you should be killed for being a Christian, and who is actively pursuing that goal?
cocacola443 1 week ago
@MADDOG6400 There isn't anything wrong with being christian, the same way I feel there is nothing wrong with being a Atheist.
TheFamerville 6 months ago
@MADDOG6400 you shouldn't talk bad about religions you don't know anything about.
annasophiie 5 months ago
@annasophiie I was a Christian for 19 years. Believe me, I know so much about Christianity and have even read the Bible from front to back. I suggest you learn to know a person before you run your mouth and assume that they don't know anything.
MADDOG6400 5 months ago 4
Ah this movie. ♥♥ lol seriously. astrid's hairs gorgeouss! i mean ASTRID is completely Beautiful not just her hair.!
RoflxRhonda 11 months ago
8:20 they're both thinking the same thing..........LETS FUCK
LOL
smiggle185 1 year ago
@smiggle185 gee, I didn't think that was funny. You're sort of sick.
irshgrl500 11 months ago
@irshgrl500 I'm not sick, it's called humour. You're just uptight.
smiggle185 11 months ago
@smiggle185 no, you're sick.
irshgrl500 11 months ago
@fatteen3 weird, thats quite an important pièce of information, why don't hey show anything of it..
joetoeb15 1 year ago
Does Astrid see him as more than a father figure? What is wrong with this picture?
joriefoy 1 year ago
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amaririi 1 year ago 3
I loooove Michelle Pheiffer's character in this movie
amaririi 1 year ago 3
@TheSassy2005 Yeah, it's weird to like her, especially since I hated her character in the book.
reversereverie 1 year ago
why does everyone say that ray is a pedo?
i don't understand..
joetoeb15 1 year ago 3
@joetoeb15 they say he's a pedo because in the book he and astrid slept together multiple times
fatteen3 1 year ago
Ray is a pedophile! ugh
HPfan71 1 year ago
anyway dont get your faith shaken.
missKeila1985 1 year ago
read the book years ago.ray's like 50+ and i think Star's busty in there.
Michelle Pfeiffer is stunning..before i saw the film i would have casted Lindsay Lohan as Astrid.
missKeila1985 1 year ago
@missKeila1985 Yeah, it's sad because Linsday really had talent once. Besides, this movie was filmed about ten years ago which would've made Lindsay about 14 years old. People would've talked shitabout having an underage girl play this role. The thing about Alison is that she just LOOKS young but she was really about 20 when she filmed this movie.
MsRose00 11 months ago
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irshgrl500 11 months ago
so astrid was having an affair with ray? when i first saw the movie i never got that! i thought it was just flirting n stuff. btw the actress who plays astrid is gorgeous!
Grin17 1 year ago
I can't stand Star
MiyahSummer 1 year ago
@MiyahSummer me neither, especially in the last vid when they go bible this and that.
while picking out thrashy clothes.
THEQIR 1 year ago
A kid left on her own to grow up 2gether with a former stripper "with vocabulary of 20 words" ;-)) ,who fills bound with the only one that shows interest in her as intimate as mother can b, but..a man, who has relation with a woman he feels estranged already.And Astrid is actualy a little pretty woman @ that moment. Don't stick 2 prescribed psyq-terms like pedofile or Lolita-syndrom.Things r more complictd here.I haven't read the book though, talking about the movie.
jeenthough 1 year ago
Poor Astrid :( So she can't bond with Ray? Wtf. Some Christian
TheHappinessFaerie 1 year ago
@TheHappinessFaerie Star is insecure and controlling
MiyahSummer 1 year ago
at 6.28 is he actually smoking?? i don't see any smoke
johanna601 1 year ago
it's cool that they use many sentences they actually say in the book! though they didn't mention 2 foster homes..
johanna601 1 year ago
astrid's a tease! lol
humpaloompa 1 year ago
Ray doesn't fit AT ALL the character in the book. And although he looked younger than described, this whole relationship (all details of which where cut of from the movie by the way) that they have seems A LOT more creepy on the screen than in the book. Probably because I'm actually SEEING it, a 13/14 year old with an older man.
SkidVixen 1 year ago
@SkidVixen yeah it's the same to me
johanna601 1 year ago
Astrid Said something that's so true .
gaishared 1 year ago
@gaishared what?
johanna601 1 year ago
When Astrid told Starr that men don't like women who try to own then .
gaishared 1 year ago
I know this is just T.V., but since when does the Bible say that man's ability to reason is evil? I'm so tired of idiots talking out their butts. Pick up a book and learn something.
AgApE010 1 year ago
@AgApE010 I'm certainly not an expert, but I think there's a bit of Leviticus that gets interpreted to mean that. (or at least that 'following your own moral compass' rather than the strict Levitican rules is wrong). It's the same book of the old testament that advocates for stoning all sinners tho, so most sensible Christians don't pay it much attention.
arkadydarell 1 year ago
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Leviticus actually never says that following your moral compass is wrong. As a matter of fact, the Bible elsewhere states that our consciences are God-given, along with our ability to reason, which is part of what being made "in the image God" means.
AgApE010 1 year ago
@AgApE010 Tracked down the 'moral compass' quote I was thinking of, Deuteronomy 29:19-20 (found it through the Brick Testament ;-) ). I generally get the impression that it's only the likes of young-earth creationists and other fundies who are really against 'reason' and using our brains (e.g. "don't question the Pastor! Now give him all your spare money, he needs another mansion!"). If anything, science shows the world to be even more wonderful: rather than 'mud', we are made of stardust :-)
arkadydarell 1 year ago
@arkadydarell
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With regards to using reason in religion, I find Galileo's quote to be appropriate here: "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
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No my friend, we are not made from stardust. Such was the ignorance of Sagan, a torch that has now been carried by Hawking. There is zero evidence for such a claim and, under examination, it is exceedingly absurd.
AgApE010 1 year ago
@AgApE010 Um, the 'stardust' comment was based on the fact that as far as anyone can tell, any atoms larger than helium are formed by stars in their later life stages (once the hydrogen runs out and hydrogen to helium fusion is no longer possible, the helium can start fusing. if the gravity is high and the collapse is fast enough you get a supernova). I'm a biologist rather than cosmologist however, so would be interested if you have more detailed or up-to-date information.
arkadydarell 1 year ago
@arkadydarell
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I understand from whence the stardust comment is derived and I understand how certain molecules are formed in stars' furnaces. It does not follow that life on this Earth came about by this process; such would be utterly impossible.
AgApE010 1 year ago
@AgApE010 Small technicality: we are talking about the formation of atoms and matter. Molecules are covalently linked atoms, and the covalent bonds don't exist at the temperatures within stars. As a biologist I can tell you that there's no magical difference between carbon atoms found in living organisms and carbon atoms found in meteorites. If you could gather together enough meteorite matter you could happily grow a plant, the seed will germinate and the plant take up the atoms around it.
arkadydarell 1 year ago
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"If you could gather enough meteorite matter you could happily grow a plant"
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Assuming that the seed, soil, water and oxygen, and sunlight already exists. Face it, if you're an atheist, you need to end up arguing for eternal matter and/or spontaneous generation or some other absurd nonsense in order to hold on to your world-view.
AgApE010 1 year ago
@AgApE010 The meteorite matter being used as the source of the soil, water and oxygen, with light and the seed the only input. All the elements required could easily be made into the right environment for a plant to grow and take up those elements to make it a part of itself, with the only input as sunlight. We eat the plant, and the meteorite atoms become part of us. Hence, our atoms being stardust. The cycle of matter through living beings is separate from the issue of evolution.
arkadydarell 1 year ago
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So you are trying to say that water and soil on this earth is the result of meteorite matter. While it is true that celestial matter is the same as terrestrial matter, I don't see why you need to specify and hang on to meteorites as the cause of all these things. That simply does not follow.
AgApE010 1 year ago
@AgApE010 I don't want you to think this is an attack, I am genuinely curious in why you think the way you do, as the most devout christian I know is the daughter of a physics teacher and finds wonder and joy in God in the nature of the cosmos (loves the 'we are stardust' connection to the stars), and other discoveries of science. Personally I am a pagan, not an atheist (Jesus was cool but I have problems with most other Christian theology. Most christians I know in person are lovely people tho)
arkadydarell 1 year ago
@arkadydarell
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I'm not sure what you mean by "why you think the way you do."
AgApE010 1 year ago
"Not a bunch of Bible thumping trailer trash!" I LOVE THAT!
ThamesStreethooker 1 year ago 5
Some men just want a piece of ass...they don't care how old they are.
JeniBurton213 1 year ago
religion don't give people reason to judge others but to always check ourself rather than saying bad things about others..
TheAyungshi 1 year ago 3
religion gives people a reason (an inventive) to judge others.
ampedpumpedstokedout 1 year ago
Michelle should've gotten an Oscar for this. It's an Oscar-winning performance.
uhhuhhim 1 year ago 7
so did she get raped or something?
JGtheKid14 1 year ago
@JGtheKid14 yeah....what happened?
cutebutterfly09 1 year ago
@JGtheKid14
no they just fucked.
CupcakeAuslyn 1 year ago
I'm in LOVE with Astrid's mom she's beautiful, independent, has a don't give a crap attitude, and she fierce. gosh i wish i grew up to be like her(except for the murdering aspect about her lol)
luvtwinkie1993 1 year ago
Astrid has beautiful hair. <3
00Grapefruit001 1 year ago 58
@00Grapefruit001 It's a wig....lol, she was bald throughout the whole film, due to playing a role as a cancer patient in a previous film before this.
ArcticHell 9 months ago in playlist Movies 1
@00Grapefruit001 She certainly does. But the actress, Alison Lohman, was wearing a wig throughout the entire film. She was entirely bald. All of her natural hair was shaved away, because apparently, she starred as a cancer patient in a previous film.
WithAVoiceOfAnAngel3 8 months ago
yeah claire and ray were so poorly cast.. i think maggie gyllenhall would have been a better pick.. or even kate beckensale.. really anyone.. and for ray i would have cast the guy in erin brokovich (her boyfriend)
lymrance 1 year ago
So Astrid & Ray had sex?? I watched this movie when I was really young (well not that young, but I didn't know much then XD) so I didn't know that Ray was supposed to be a sick dude for "doing" a 13-yr-old girl. I actually thought the connection between Ray & Astrid was beautiful :D
theblackmoonofghost 1 year ago 5
@theblackmoonofghost I don't think so
bookworm6795 1 year ago
ray was extremely poorly cast
flowerchild104 1 year ago
loveub88, it gets worse in the novel. and yeah, ray's casting sucks. i was thinking of an older, less attractive paul rudd. someone more lovable than this guy. robin wright penn, however, is amazing! she totally fits the role.
ageofaquarius11 1 year ago
Robin Wright Penn is great in this. I think they cast Claire really poorly though. She looks nothing like the book character. Renee Zellwegger doesn't play her as fragile as she is in the book.
jessiib12 1 year ago 2
I'm surprised with the whole 'perfect' thing, she didn't get a eating disorder, too.
Xalindrah 1 year ago
hat 1st foster mums a bitch
Gem8D 1 year ago
NOTICE IT DOES NOT SHOW THE PART WERE THE BOOK SAYS ASTRID SUKS A FAT MANS DIK FOR DOPE
shrek209100 1 year ago 4
For a crazy bitch, I love her mom, haha
WitheringChild 1 year ago 3
"no you didn't, you raised me to think like you" ah... the first seeds of doubt and independence. <3
jmochi47 1 year ago
ok so what dose her and ray do? did they have sex? or just fool around.
whinter12897 1 year ago
@whinter12897 Oh they had sex. read the book and it gives some detail.
alyssabell100 1 year ago
i always pictured starr as more of an anna nicole smith
bsubassbaby2 1 year ago 2
Robin Wright Penn - She did excellent in this movie!!
WithAVoiceOfAnAngel3 1 year ago
i hate movies with characters putting a bad name on christians. we can be hypocrites but this is pushing it.
FMLdoodez 1 year ago
@FMLdoodez it was a book first and thats not the point, the point is t show the true nature of foster homes and one journey through them
jenniferblowsbubbles 1 year ago
@FMLdoodez give it a rest, there are charachters that give all sorts of people bad names. just get over it. Only stupid people would actually form opinions based on films where charachters are made up.
hello10577 1 year ago
@hello10577 I know but i still care what stupid ppl think. i know characters put bad names on all sorts of ppl i was just complaining about this particular character can't i whine in peace?!?! for once?
FMLdoodez 1 year ago
her mother doesnt think about any one but her self the poor kid ,has to deal with her mother in jail..and her mother should be glad she is ok ..yes she would be a serial killer good job she got caught when she did,,
starbirdblue 1 year ago
people who believe thinking for yourself is wrong is fucked up.
HannahHeartStruck 1 year ago 4
Wow, she was actually 23 when she played astrid and ray was only a few years older.
dcoxie 1 year ago 2
he is seducing a broken and vunarable child, its so wrong, why did starr say good man? i feel sorry for the woman in this movie, they totaly are in mans hands, preaching independce.
mala0790 1 year ago
"THIS IS A MOVIE. JUST A MOVIE. IF YOU PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I SUGGEST YOU HAVE IT WITH THE PRODUCER. ME? I WILL JUST SWITCH TO ANOTHER PART. BUT YOU? I GUESS YOU WILL KEEP WATCHING LIKE HYPOCHRITS." No ERROR JUST THE DAM TRUTH> YOU ARE ALL SICK>
Grifiki 1 year ago
@Grifiki people can comment how they feel. Stop freaking out. If its just a movie then why does it bother you so much? People can have an opinion.
HannahHeartStruck 1 year ago
This man has inspired so many carpenter fantasies, I'm sure.
pushelildaisies 1 year ago
"Well, I'm not Jesus... Not even close."
Kishwick 1 year ago
Her mom is so twisted- the poor girl. Everything is about the mom, and never the girl. Sure, Astrid was happy, but she was messed up pretty bad before her mom even killed her boyfriend.
orangeisastupidword 1 year ago
@orangeisastupidword I think Star is far more twisted than Ingrid though. Ingrid is a quite arrogant and self centered (to say the least) but she has some class about her.
Star is such a nasty skank. She's having loud sex with her kids in the next room and the way she boasts (loudly) about her drug use is sickening. If not, than she's bragging about Jesus, even though she's all faith and no action. Everything about Star is vile and nasty. I'd rather be raised by Ingrid than Star any day.
MelleAndKev 1 year ago 5
@MelleAndKev
I disagree...Starr may be hypocritical in her faith but at least she's aspiring to something higher. She may be a bit less refined than Ingrid but on the inside she is trying to be a better person. Ingrid is cruel, heartless, textbook definition of a sociopath. The only reason she cares for Astrid is b/c she makes a good sidekick who happens to have her DNA. Starr tries to be kind to Astrid, cares about her salvation. Starr is humble enough to admit her mistakes.
TheBetsy78 1 year ago 5
@MelleAndKev agreed!
HannahHeartStruck 1 year ago
@orangeisastupidword i know what it's like to have a narcissistic parent; you had to suppress/deny your willpower, otherwise, you get severely abused...
723cielo 1 year ago 4
@723cielo I'm sorry to here that. Keep your head up!
orangeisastupidword 1 year ago
"Fuck my redemption i don't want to be redeemed. I regret nothing."
Damn.....her mom has that take no prisoners attitude..
so weird even though she's a murderer you can't help but liking her character :)
TheSassy2005 1 year ago 50
@TheSassy2005 yeah but to an extent ... >_> fuck her n telling her child what to do! lawl.
lonelyobsession 1 year ago
@TheSassy2005 duhh because it's played by Michelle Pfeiffer! lol jkjk...but I like the character too (and of course, michelle pfeiffer lol)
LachrimaeSophiae 11 months ago
"men dont like women who try to own them." this is something that took me years before the lights finally came on about that. should your partner be faithful to you?
absolutely. however, if they arent, that should be a big clue how they feel about the relationship. if theyre really committed to you, youd should never even have to tell them not to do anything to jeopardize it. ans turning up the pyschotic is not going to make him love you
u2joshuadesireu 1 year ago 6
I can't stand star...
MiyahSummer 1 year ago 2
did they have sex at the construction site??????? weird.
Grrl1234 1 year ago
Many, many times. According to the book. and shes like 13 in the book.
returnofbhavar99 1 year ago
Yep..they did that in the book too...
MiyahSummer 1 year ago 2
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emmcats 1 year ago
Typical, you are anxious that something is happening which isn´t and then make it happen by putting all your thoughts into the matter!
Rachelmariaaa 2 years ago 4
God the mom is so sick in the head. I feel sorry for Astrid. I think she put it best when she said "you raised me to think like you."
juliabohemian 2 years ago 2
in the book he smoked blunts, not ciggarettes man. :P
cobraacademylove 2 years ago 5
@cobraacademylove -yea when i first saw the movie i was like wait i thount he smoked blunk not ciggarettes
Playerpretend6 2 years ago
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it pisses me off that she was sleeping with ray.
I mean com'on star's not great but she's not all that bad.Why did you have to ruin it dumb Asthrid.... >: |
cinthialopez1 2 years ago
@cinthialopez1 i don't think she does it to spite starr. i think it's because she's never had a father, and he's the first kind person, and she's only 13. and she's lost
tally388 2 years ago 11
i don't think they had enough info because there's isn't much to suggest they had sex, even if he told her she was beautiful and they stared at each other for a few seconds or something to suggest there was a spark there. and she looks about 15
RubySohoLove 2 years ago 9
yeah the movie is a lot more discreet about it but they definitly do it in the book.
RiverHigurashi 2 years ago 5
@RubySohoLove they did have sex it says so in the book
sadpandaclub 2 years ago 3
aww this part is awful..
rh10033 2 years ago 3
how weird, she slept with him...
johanna601 2 years ago 2
i think soo eww thats so creepy
princessriley123 2 years ago 2
he's too young in this movie, in the book ray is 50 and astrid is 14
niwuraba 2 years ago 9
isn't she 13? ...but yeah, i agree
johanna601 2 years ago 3
Astrid is sooo beautiful, I can only stare at her. She does have a great body too. Alison Lohman is 30 right now and she still looks young, she looks like she's sixteen at 30, wow!
clover220 2 years ago 4