Many Tang Soo Do stylists have not accepted the rendition of history presented by the Soo Bahk Do Tang Soo Federation. My first tang soo do teacher, Jong H. Lee of San Diego, always defined it as the Korean refinement of the ancient art of Karate..
Tang Soo Do is not presented in this video. The heavy guy is indeed a visiting Japanese karate dan. The Korean is from a school of Hapkido. The film takes place in a Hapkido dojang. The seated Grandmaster is the head of a Hapido organization in Korea. He claims to the the 3rd Dojonim direct from Yong Sul Choi. The assumption and allegation that the two sparring guys are from the same school is incorrect.
@Montecarlodrag I disagree. Having studied a few styles, I learned that TSD/SBD styles, while powerful, will be unlikely to connect with a skilled opponent. The kicking style is too slow. Why? As mentioned, it emphasizes power over speed. This approach dates back to fighting on the battle field while wearing armor. In such a setting, the greatest amount of force was needed, because the opponent was likely to be encumbered. Modern TKD or karate has streamlined the motions of most kicks.
There is a difference between "studying" a few styles and actually fighting skilled fighters in any MA style.
It is obvious you haven´t fought a skilled TSD fighter. The kicks can be as fast as a punch, but way more powerful. The fists have less distance to travel to hit the opponent, but the legs can be used in such ways you won´t even see the attack untill you are on the floor.
Aside that, we the "kicking styles" also have hands. Se we can also punch, and many of us do.
@Montecarlodrag You pretend to be some sort of trainer? If you where a trainer you have done a total fail, a trainer would never speak like that. They show respect, and i'll think you should to, kid!
I haven't read all that further into the comments so forgive me if I'm repeating someone else's comment here.
Just to throw yet another perspective in...kyokushin was created by an ethnic Korean/naturalized Japanese born Yong I Choi, later Masutatsu Oyama, who brought what learning he'd had of Korean martial arts with him to Japan, where he learned with the founder of Shotokan, Gichin Funakoshi. Bottom line, probably not a world of difference between TSD and Kyokushin in the first place.
tang soo do is karate. what a dumb title. karate is a broad term that tang soo do, tae kwon do, kyokushin, shorin ryu, kenpo, shotokan, chun kuk do, and many other styles fall under. if you say you "do karate" and dont know what style, you're full of shit.
@ibzm so you're saying the japan karate association is wrong? they recognize many styles of karate. there are also karate associations all over the world with many different styles. koreans took karate from japan who took karate from okinawa and created tang soo do and tae kwon do which have many of the same kata as the other japanese styles of karate. shotokan is very much a style of karate as well as shito ryu, wado ryu, and kenpo.
@LilacLynn4 I bet you didnt know that tae kwon do came from tang so do, and if you dont believe me then take it up with master khan cause he told me himself :)
you should know that this is kyokushin karate vs hapkido.a chunky guy with a left chinese letter sign is from korean kyokushin karate ,and they went to challenge to local hapkido school.hapkido school lost match.
In all honesty, all those guys fight like mixed martial artists, and lack solid technique. Tang soo do is all about kicking, and all I saw were some sloppy round-kicks and knee-kicks.
Firstly, they're all Korean. This is a Korean documentary. It's a sparring match within the same school and by the look of their outfits, they're probably from the same school too. I'm not even sure if Kyoukushin Karate is even described in the documentary because they say "musool" which means martial art. Either way, I'm sick and tired of these martial art vs martial art videos. Hasn't anyone ever taught you that its not the martial art but the fighter that counts?
@YunSeung one guy has shorter sleeves, like in kyokushin, while the others have longer sleeves. Probabely some other kind of karate. There is nothing to suggest TSD, and the guy is slapping away like a hapkido fighter.....
@lwilliamsrdr Karate comes from the fusion of the art of Te and Quanfa. Neither of them were from Japanese (as in Yamata Japanese) kingdoms. Quanfa was from Mainland China and Te is an art form which was first conceived in the Uchi Naa island of the Luchu Confederacy which is now known as Okinawa of the Ryukyu Islands of Japan. If you wanna get technical, it's technically not even Japanese.
@BrettNASTYY I do agree with that. There are styles of Karate which did originate in Mainland Japan (i.e. Kyoukushin Karate which is supposed to be depicted in this video and Wado-Ryu which was born in Ibaraki Prefecture). All that set aside though, most Karate styles are Okinawan except a select few, such as Shorin-ryu, Uechi-ryu, and even the famed Shotokan-ryu.
@YunSeung I agree with you... but not 100%. It is not just the fighter (and all the personality and psychological aspects of him)... it is also the training methodology, definitely the master (teacher/coach/trainer), and also the art itself and it's arsenal of techniques.
@YunSeung I agree with you in the whole VS issue but this IS in fact a challenge match with a TSD school and a Kyukushin Student, read the Kanji on the uniforms! One says TSD in korean and the other say KKS in japanese kanji. Just stating facts, thx
its so much fun to watch a heavy weight against a bunch of middle weights and light heavies.... I can show you heavy weight TSD's that would kill this guy
@lc77k Lol, and I can show you a heavy weight Karate fighter that can destroy whoever you're talking about. Anyways, don't bring up someone that has nothing to do with this video because it doesn't mean anything. The guys around the same level are just sparring period. In world tournament for Karate, the major one has no weight divisions so even light weights would be facing a super heavy so don't whine over a weight class.
This is a very poor showing of what TangSooDo is. Maybe it taught different in Asia?
Open hands that are down at the sides,Hell my 6 yrs old could beat this guy. The Karate guy is throwing punchesand the TSD guy swinging like a girl with no kicks. He should really go back to the basics.
@Trevorleeous it all depends. if you are over 5'9 and 170lbs u should take kyokushin or full contact karate,if u are skinny you should go for kung fu or taekwondo
@Lee7676 I don't think that's necessarily the case. I'm 5' 8'' and about 145lbs and I've trained in Kyokushin for about 7yrs and I used to weigh even less. It's about what feels best for you not for your body. Just because someone is smaller doesn't mean they shouldn't learn such a full contact style in fact they should go after something more aggressive and power centered because of their lesser size.
um, weiyan. none of that is tang soo do. Its taekwondo. if you cant tell the difference you should know your art better before throwing words like 'ashamed' around.
What a joke! I wish I could have played the Tang-Soo-Do guy. I would have kicked his teeth out in about the third technique.Whats this Throw one kick and tangle up crap. This guy doesnt know real Tang-Soo. They dressed up one of their students and told him to get his ass kicked.
@Brandonshanelow In all fairness, the kyokushin guy looks pretty good and the kyokushinkai don't play. They spar all the time, full contact bareknuckle with no protective gear besides a mouthpiece. Believe you me, if he's even a 1 dan in kyokushin, he's experienced getting his teeth kicked in a number of times and has probably learned how to fight through it.
Does anybody really believe in the outcome of these matches? If it was a real streetfight maybe, but these friendly matches are totally fake. They prevent many of the obvious techniques from being executed for safety's sake. There are rules. But in real fighting, THERE ARE NO RULES. One does not question the reflex kick to the genitals or blinding finger-eye jab when someone is swinging a machete @ your head. But there are consequences.
yes but this video is not called "who would win in a real life threatening situation" is it? they are just having a bit of fun lighten up. not everything is about real grim reality. If i want that ill have a look at some geoff thompson
I meant these individuals no direspect. As MAs, these friendly bouts are important for learning more about oneself. 1st off they can teach us how to refine our techniques so as to win without killing the opponent. Because every MA knows that it is much easier to kill an adversary than to wound/subdue him. Submissions often require refined technique. Original Aikido is a plausible e.g. Killing, however, is direct and to the point.
Interesting video. Sadly, some people don't know that Tang Soo Do and Karate-Do are one and the same. Tang Soo (China Hand or Tang [dynasty] hand) is merely Korean for the original Karate word, To-te. Hence, hyung/kata similarities. In other words, both are derived from the China Hand: kung fu.
Well factoring Newtons Laws of Motion etc F=MXA .Now Timing is crucial In punching or kicking, Ideally you want your opponent to commit the first move. Once he starts forward momentum, your reflexes must be refined to "beat him to the punch" If done correctly you will take advantage of his forward vector + Your forward vector resulting in a compounded impact. Now as far as say a rib fracture if your fist is tight enough where impact is on 1-2 knuckles it's 8lbs per sq inch.
Wow, 8lbs/sq. inch, huh? Often just flicking a finger in the throat is enough to cause substantial pain. Didn't realise it was that much. Thanks for the input. You didn't have to use all the scientific jargon/formulae.
Well, I was taught more or less the Physics of Karate from my Sensei, plus I'm a Science buff. If You check out my Video I actually fight a Tang Soo Do Artist In the USKA World Championships, see what happens in the end.
However, I was intrigued by the title because any MA history buff knows karate-do (to-te) and tangsoo do have the same roots. Tangsoodo practitioners do the kata created by Master Itotsu (Master Idos according to Hwang Kee) as well as almost every other kata i.e. hyung. In other words, they are fundamentally one and the same.
Shuri Ryu is an eclectic art polished by the man that brought Karate to America O'Sensei Robert Trias. He trained under many masters such as Tong Gee Hsing,Choki Motobu, Ankoh Itsu. O'Sensei was a navy middle weight Champion before studying the arts so the practical aspects of Boxing are an integrel part of Shuri Ryu as well as Ground fighting, Joint locks, breaks, etc. I am 3rd generation from O'Sensei and my Sensei was a three time Toughman Champion way before Dana White even knew Aerobics
Actually its a common mistake that karate comes from kung fu if thats what you mean. There is far more evidence to show that it originated in Okinawa and then to japan. Its more chinese propaganda than actual truth. Obviously its hard to say that nothing in karate is influenced by kung fu but the mechanics and practices are mainly okinawan
with all due respect cryingindian, I have to disagree with your point. I'm a Goju Ryu karateka and having studied our style's history, a good amount of teachings come from kungfu. Okinawans already had developed an open handed system called Te, but it was infused with teachings from China brought back by various Te masters from Okinawa. Goju Ryu shares a lot of similarities with the Fujian White Crane style of Fuzhou. With those teaches from the Fujian White Crane and Naha-Te became Goju Ryu.
So what your saying is a chinese fighter showed a karate man how he punches and the karate man improved on it and made it his own... so karate is chinese? No. I know thats a very very simplified way of putting it but thats basically what you're saying. And I believe the approach of the japanese arts is vastly different to any chinese art to such an extent that nothing other than various minor techniques come from the chinese in karate. of course this is an opinion lol
What I'm saying if what ALL common sense masters will guide you towards. And that is the revelation that there are only so many techniques (punches, kicks, traps, grapples etc) available to you. Unless of course you have four arms and eight legs.lol. Whether its Chinese, Japanese, Korean, French, Russian, Israeli, or what not is irrelevant to personal actualisation. Each of us adapts the techniques to suit our personal expression of the MA we practice in accordance with our personal limitations.
lol yeh if i want to know bruce lee quotes ill just read his book or watch his films thanks. its amazing how many people try and pass off his wisdom for their own on here. but thanks anyway... the pretence was funny
You still don't get the point. Quote? What IS a quote? Wisdom is wisdom whether it's from Bruce Lee, Musashi, Jesus, Bahaullah, Krishna, Confucius, Uncle Sam, Buddha or yo mama.lol. Unless Bruce Lee was an E.T. everyone has the right to a slice of (dare I say his?) wisdom. Or will you want to patent yo mama's wisdom as belonging only to yo mama? In other words,NO SINGLE STYLE can patent technique. Unless you believe, e.g. that high kicking is only for tkd and low kicking for wing chun. Unlikely
lol it was the whole "heres what i think" angle you were throwing my way and it was just what great men have said. fair enough you can think that but to try and make it seem like its your own revalation is pretty gimpy. I was discussing that karate did not come from china and you get all "everything comes from everything" on me to sort of sidestep my point to still come out "wise". Im busy getting ready for tonight so apologies for not caring lol. Happy new year when it comes x
My apologies, no angles were meant. Wisdom was not the point. I believe there are no revelations besides that which has already been revealed a "nothing new under the sun" (quotation marks being for your sake) outlook so to speak. Neither was the issue of "academic referencing" unless you want the page number and year of publication as well.lol. The point was that karate-do, though definitively Okinawan, has definitely been influenced by China just like Tang Soo Do (Korean) has.
But to do justice I must acknowledge that kung fu has profited from karate i.e. the vice versa holds true as well. There is no totally new technique. It has always been there. It's just that you figured it out and I didn't. What was it? "Everybody knows something, nobody knows everything" right? But, happy new year to you too. (I'm basking in the sun rays of 2010 already by the way.)
for one karate is japanese and tang soo do is korean lol basically i do believe that karate has a stronger base stance is delivers really powerfull blows and counters while tang soo do like Tae kwon do has a lighter stance making you quick on your feet hard to counter
Your wrong. Chuck Norris did train in Tang Soo Do, but Taekwondo was not the style he created. Tang Soo Do and Taekwondo were nearly the same art at one time. Look it up for the whole story dont have time to write it all, but basically due to sum polictical bs became seperate styles in the 50's. Taekwondo became Koreas national martial art while TSD stayed more underground/traditional with Hwang Kee being the head figure.
Original Tang Soo Do.. what is Moo Duk Kwan tang soo do.. By Grandmaster Hwang Kee was highly Influenced by Japanese Shotokan. Hwang Kee would watch Japanese Soilders train and practiced thier Katas. hence the reason we do most of the same Katas/Hyungs. All that stuff that is out there now that is being called Tang Soo Do with all these fancy things going on.. That is not real Tang Soo Do that is a waterd down version a copy of a copy of a copy.. real first hand Traditional Tang Soo Do is strong
Same goes for Karate - all watered down for schoolkids and sportsmen. The Katas contain some of the original moves needed for actual fighting but without instruction remain elaborate dances.
Karate from Japan, and korean just needed to have a something own, that is why they "develop" that Tang Soo doo. It is same and there is nothing different. Frankly speaking, we never heard something Tang Soo Do ever.
well technically before Karate was known as "Empty Hand Way" it was "Chinese Hand Way" they later changed it to Empty Hand Way.. but Tang Soo Do literaly translates to Chinese Hand Way. Im not saying that Karate was once called Tang Soo Do, thats what the Koreans called it in refrence to the Chinese Hand Way. Im just saying that at once point Karate was kown as "Chinese Hand Way.. However you would say that in Japanese. If you look its almost the same Characters.
One other thing I forgot to mention. I trained under the World Tang Soo Do Association. If your Sah Bum Nim has been with the organization for a long time, the old Dan certificates state: Tang Soo Do Korean Karate.
The histories go way way back and not a whole lot is 100%. Tang Soo Do and Shotokan Karate are about 90% the same. I am an instructor of both styles and hold rank of black belt in both as well. Who can say for sure where exactly one derived from. The Koreans did however learn from the Japanese when they occupied Korea in the early 1900's. Do some research.
wait doesn't tang soo do stop at a dark blue??? b/c black means death or something. and the dark blue stands the quest of never ending knowledge. and i know that tang soo do is a mixture of arts from japan, southern china and two original arts that came from its home country. but most arts are like that. i just started not to long ago so I'm still a white belt and the concept of moving my hips to add power and driving my punches are hard for me but i will get better in given time
In America karate is used as a catch all term for all martial arts that aren't either judo, kung fu or jiu jitsu. Many American schools until the nineties referred to TSD and TKD as Korean Karate, which is totally inaccurate as Korean is an English word and karate is Japanese. However, to an outsider it is probably easier for a TSD practitioner to say I practise a form of karate than to have to explain what tang soo do is to someone who has little knowledge of MAs.
Amen. I took TSD for two years until recently. It's a lot easier to say I take "Korean Karate" or "martial arts" than explain what Tang Soo Do is while a person's eyes glaze over.
It isnt pathetic i hate when pepole dont know what tehy are talking about, and all they care about is the fight when moves are happening. and Tang soo do is korean.
The karate guy is heavy so finds it easy to bully way in, TSD not aggressive enough to stop his attack, and not striking to kill . A fight is about the people fighting, not the art practiced
tang soo do in japanese means karate-do pretty much so this is like korea vs. japan in the same martial art so yea this video should be called (karate match)
charlie's right. Apparently somebody hasn't really looked at the forms in TSD. Kaenas, look up the forms in TSD and the ones in shotokan they're the SAME forms, any differences are very small anyway.
It did have some Gung fu influence, and most of the style is from shotokan. But just you know, he chose the word Tang for a reason. If he hadn't he would say something else like korean hand or whatever. You need to get YOUR facts straight kaenas. Don't bother talking about things you know nothing about.
Cool... The tang soo do guy did pretty good... Lost, but did pretty good. Better than I thought... and as far as I know, Its a Korean art, with roots in Japanese-Okinawan art of karate which has chinese influence originally anyway, and some more chinese arts.
Alright Mr. know it all.. oh.. a Mr. thinks he knows it all. TANG SOO DO originally derived from KOREA, during Japans occupation in Korea they adopted SOME methods but all and all TANG SOO DO is a Korean Martial Art, all because the Word "Tang" is a chinese word doesnt mean SHIT so get YOUR FACTS straight and then maybe u'll stop sounding like a nimrod.
that guys an idiot for losing that grip on the guys leg. once you get a grip on someones leg you push their opposite shoulder back and then quickly kick out the remaining leg.
if you wait to control their shoulder, theyll be able to hop out of it like this guy did
Great stuff they are both tough I use to train Kyokushin & I can clearly see these Tangsoo do guys can bring it.
0713mas 2 months ago
Merko aan de teri...
karate walon ko tera pitazi bhi nahi hara sakta.
kplsharma757 6 months ago
@kplsharma757
Wase karate wala Thaa konsa?
kplsharma757 6 months ago
@kplsharma757
ofcource MOTU.
kplsharma757 6 months ago
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tikfeedom 7 months ago
mean face korean baby faced assain !!! wow hes a beast1
gman195 7 months ago
If there was TSD vs kyokushin , karate would owned Big time it worst then this.
hotpopcorncake 7 months ago
YOU NEED TO CHANGE UP YOUR FIGHTING STYLE
Aishatu11 7 months ago
WACCKKK
Drenalyn 8 months ago
What is this shitty bunch of fucking bullshit?
zombie2481 8 months ago
@zombie2481 a documentary showing in fine detail, the way our politicians handle the budget in a very organized fashion.
peposo7 4 months ago
Many Tang Soo Do stylists have not accepted the rendition of history presented by the Soo Bahk Do Tang Soo Federation. My first tang soo do teacher, Jong H. Lee of San Diego, always defined it as the Korean refinement of the ancient art of Karate..
jumpingjackfennessy 8 months ago
@jumpingjackfennessy That's a lie karate started way back.
hotpopcorncake 7 months ago
Tang Soo Do is not presented in this video. The heavy guy is indeed a visiting Japanese karate dan. The Korean is from a school of Hapkido. The film takes place in a Hapkido dojang. The seated Grandmaster is the head of a Hapido organization in Korea. He claims to the the 3rd Dojonim direct from Yong Sul Choi. The assumption and allegation that the two sparring guys are from the same school is incorrect.
jumpingjackfennessy 8 months ago
Shut up you loud mouthed knowitalls
devizaphenomenon 8 months ago
I didn't see a single Tang So Do kick in that match.
My Red belts would kick both their arses in a hard beat.
Montecarlodrag 11 months ago
@Montecarlodrag I disagree. Having studied a few styles, I learned that TSD/SBD styles, while powerful, will be unlikely to connect with a skilled opponent. The kicking style is too slow. Why? As mentioned, it emphasizes power over speed. This approach dates back to fighting on the battle field while wearing armor. In such a setting, the greatest amount of force was needed, because the opponent was likely to be encumbered. Modern TKD or karate has streamlined the motions of most kicks.
browsfan 11 months ago
@browsfan
There is a difference between "studying" a few styles and actually fighting skilled fighters in any MA style.
It is obvious you haven´t fought a skilled TSD fighter. The kicks can be as fast as a punch, but way more powerful. The fists have less distance to travel to hit the opponent, but the legs can be used in such ways you won´t even see the attack untill you are on the floor.
Aside that, we the "kicking styles" also have hands. Se we can also punch, and many of us do.
Regards
Montecarlodrag 6 months ago
@Montecarlodrag You pretend to be some sort of trainer? If you where a trainer you have done a total fail, a trainer would never speak like that. They show respect, and i'll think you should to, kid!
Calle299 11 months ago
@Calle299
I Am, and I'm not a kid.
My students train how to fight, not how to talk.
And what I said is true. Not a single TSD kick or anything close to it.
Montecarlodrag 9 months ago
TANG SOO!
Draco04 11 months ago
ahhh white people...lol just see and learn
nusashy 1 year ago
these guys are all a bunch of bitches
thesidcrazy 1 year ago
I haven't read all that further into the comments so forgive me if I'm repeating someone else's comment here.
Just to throw yet another perspective in...kyokushin was created by an ethnic Korean/naturalized Japanese born Yong I Choi, later Masutatsu Oyama, who brought what learning he'd had of Korean martial arts with him to Japan, where he learned with the founder of Shotokan, Gichin Funakoshi. Bottom line, probably not a world of difference between TSD and Kyokushin in the first place.
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
OK this vid also is titled kyokushin vs hapkido which is it really?
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martialartist101 1 year ago
too many pork buns for the fat guy
swingkingzz 1 year ago
tang soo do is karate. what a dumb title. karate is a broad term that tang soo do, tae kwon do, kyokushin, shorin ryu, kenpo, shotokan, chun kuk do, and many other styles fall under. if you say you "do karate" and dont know what style, you're full of shit.
sifujamie 1 year ago
@sifujamie Very wrong, Karate is its own style developed in Okinawa.
ibzm 1 year ago
@ibzm so you're saying the japan karate association is wrong? they recognize many styles of karate. there are also karate associations all over the world with many different styles. koreans took karate from japan who took karate from okinawa and created tang soo do and tae kwon do which have many of the same kata as the other japanese styles of karate. shotokan is very much a style of karate as well as shito ryu, wado ryu, and kenpo.
sifujamie 1 year ago
This video is bull
smsmith714 1 year ago
Hehe Looks like sumo wrestling! kidding ^^
TheKindplayer 1 year ago
@LilacLynn4 I bet you didnt know that tae kwon do came from tang so do, and if you dont believe me then take it up with master khan cause he told me himself :)
ubernoobification 1 year ago
Pussy asain fight!!!!!
lemoncouch1 1 year ago
A 10 year old wrestler would own these "fighters" so bad.
ArielMig 1 year ago
They look more like cats fighting
Slap, Slap, claw, grab!!!
Almost Spastic
But I would never want to get attack be cat...
MyIda123 1 year ago
Is it me or does it look like the tall BB did nothing but bi%$ slaps in rapid succession, fallowed by a grab in the begining of this vid?
Baterine 1 year ago
you should know that this is kyokushin karate vs hapkido.a chunky guy with a left chinese letter sign is from korean kyokushin karate ,and they went to challenge to local hapkido school.hapkido school lost match.
Lee7676 1 year ago
brazilian Jui jutsu????
cbrxle 1 year ago
In all honesty, all those guys fight like mixed martial artists, and lack solid technique. Tang soo do is all about kicking, and all I saw were some sloppy round-kicks and knee-kicks.
chickenisgoodish 1 year ago
Firstly, they're all Korean. This is a Korean documentary. It's a sparring match within the same school and by the look of their outfits, they're probably from the same school too. I'm not even sure if Kyoukushin Karate is even described in the documentary because they say "musool" which means martial art. Either way, I'm sick and tired of these martial art vs martial art videos. Hasn't anyone ever taught you that its not the martial art but the fighter that counts?
YunSeung 1 year ago 26
@YunSeung The Kanji on the Big Guy's Dogi is The sam as the Kanji on mine..."Kyokushin"
Muraku666 1 year ago
@YunSeung one guy has shorter sleeves, like in kyokushin, while the others have longer sleeves. Probabely some other kind of karate. There is nothing to suggest TSD, and the guy is slapping away like a hapkido fighter.....
veshkeat 1 year ago
@YunSeung Noones taught me but enough martial arts movie have shown me XD
Guywithair2 1 year ago
@YunSeung
A fight is but a test of skill and technique.
VeniVidiDamn 1 year ago
@YunSeung Karate is Japanese, and if you want to get technical, it's Okinawan.
lwilliamsrdr 10 months ago
@lwilliamsrdr Karate comes from the fusion of the art of Te and Quanfa. Neither of them were from Japanese (as in Yamata Japanese) kingdoms. Quanfa was from Mainland China and Te is an art form which was first conceived in the Uchi Naa island of the Luchu Confederacy which is now known as Okinawa of the Ryukyu Islands of Japan. If you wanna get technical, it's technically not even Japanese.
YunSeung 10 months ago
@YunSeung *sigh* ok
lwilliamsrdr 10 months ago
@YunSeung
karate did originate from okinawa, but there are still styles of karate that are japanese or at least from japan.
BrettNASTYY 9 months ago
@BrettNASTYY I do agree with that. There are styles of Karate which did originate in Mainland Japan (i.e. Kyoukushin Karate which is supposed to be depicted in this video and Wado-Ryu which was born in Ibaraki Prefecture). All that set aside though, most Karate styles are Okinawan except a select few, such as Shorin-ryu, Uechi-ryu, and even the famed Shotokan-ryu.
YunSeung 9 months ago
@YunSeung Hm. My mistake. Double checked and it seems that Uechi-ryu is also Okinawan.
YunSeung 9 months ago
@YunSeung lol and Shorin-ryu. Mah bad.
YunSeung 9 months ago
@YunSeung I agree with you... but not 100%. It is not just the fighter (and all the personality and psychological aspects of him)... it is also the training methodology, definitely the master (teacher/coach/trainer), and also the art itself and it's arsenal of techniques.
RicardoKooh 9 months ago
@YunSeung That's a lie
albertgeorgesmith 9 months ago
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@albertgeorgesmith lol ok. Why don't you prove me wrong then?
YunSeung 9 months ago
@YunSeung I agree with you in the whole VS issue but this IS in fact a challenge match with a TSD school and a Kyukushin Student, read the Kanji on the uniforms! One says TSD in korean and the other say KKS in japanese kanji. Just stating facts, thx
sokejigga 5 months ago
its so much fun to watch a heavy weight against a bunch of middle weights and light heavies.... I can show you heavy weight TSD's that would kill this guy
lc77k 1 year ago 4
@lc77k i know some really really small guys that would too
fatony26 1 year ago
@lc77k Lol, and I can show you a heavy weight Karate fighter that can destroy whoever you're talking about. Anyways, don't bring up someone that has nothing to do with this video because it doesn't mean anything. The guys around the same level are just sparring period. In world tournament for Karate, the major one has no weight divisions so even light weights would be facing a super heavy so don't whine over a weight class.
cruelgrotequeblood 11 months ago
Kyokushin Karate is beast
daekoaram1990 1 year ago
This is a very poor showing of what TangSooDo is. Maybe it taught different in Asia?
Open hands that are down at the sides,Hell my 6 yrs old could beat this guy. The Karate guy is throwing punchesand the TSD guy swinging like a girl with no kicks. He should really go back to the basics.
Rhee23 1 year ago
Which should I take? They both look cool
Trevorleeous 1 year ago
@Trevorleeous Im a Tang Soo Do guy. (2nd degree blackbelt) I like Tang Soo Do a lot. However Tang Soo Do is not being demenstrated in this video.
Walshman117 1 year ago
@Trevorleeous it all depends. if you are over 5'9 and 170lbs u should take kyokushin or full contact karate,if u are skinny you should go for kung fu or taekwondo
Lee7676 1 year ago
@Lee7676 I don't think that's necessarily the case. I'm 5' 8'' and about 145lbs and I've trained in Kyokushin for about 7yrs and I used to weigh even less. It's about what feels best for you not for your body. Just because someone is smaller doesn't mean they shouldn't learn such a full contact style in fact they should go after something more aggressive and power centered because of their lesser size.
TheTaoofJKD 1 year ago
um, weiyan. none of that is tang soo do. Its taekwondo. if you cant tell the difference you should know your art better before throwing words like 'ashamed' around.
capnchapm 1 year ago
I saw this video but it was named "karate vs Hapkido"...hmmm
1bol1 1 year ago
Lol. I noticed how the second guy had to fight the Kyokushinkai man way different than the first guy did.
shinbooks 1 year ago
wow im in tang soo do..and this video makes me ashamed....That guy needs more practice
weiyan1000 1 year ago
Tang Soo Do is the second guy after the first match, the one iwth black pants.
cchhiillaazz 1 year ago
alot of tehse vids are propaganda. I think the smaller guy is a student they dressed up.. wtf
ironkong26 1 year ago
What a joke! I wish I could have played the Tang-Soo-Do guy. I would have kicked his teeth out in about the third technique.Whats this Throw one kick and tangle up crap. This guy doesnt know real Tang-Soo. They dressed up one of their students and told him to get his ass kicked.
Brandonshanelow 1 year ago
@Brandonshanelow In all fairness, the kyokushin guy looks pretty good and the kyokushinkai don't play. They spar all the time, full contact bareknuckle with no protective gear besides a mouthpiece. Believe you me, if he's even a 1 dan in kyokushin, he's experienced getting his teeth kicked in a number of times and has probably learned how to fight through it.
TheHobophobic 1 year ago
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cchhiillaazz 1 year ago
tang soo do is the guy with long arms.. i dont get it why he falls all the time eh
cchhiillaazz 2 years ago
tangsoodo isnt any of the first 2 guys. Hes the second with black pants. hes very good :)
cchhiillaazz 1 year ago
@cchhiillaazz none of those are tang soo do and none of that is.
capnchapm 1 year ago
tang soo do is much easier than kyokushin karate because theres more of a high and low blocking
OokamiShiranui1 2 years ago
If I'd hit him he'd have gone through that wall !
tomogirth 2 years ago
Does anybody really believe in the outcome of these matches? If it was a real streetfight maybe, but these friendly matches are totally fake. They prevent many of the obvious techniques from being executed for safety's sake. There are rules. But in real fighting, THERE ARE NO RULES. One does not question the reflex kick to the genitals or blinding finger-eye jab when someone is swinging a machete @ your head. But there are consequences.
AintNoSuperiorStyle 2 years ago
yes but this video is not called "who would win in a real life threatening situation" is it? they are just having a bit of fun lighten up. not everything is about real grim reality. If i want that ill have a look at some geoff thompson
cryingindian 2 years ago
I meant these individuals no direspect. As MAs, these friendly bouts are important for learning more about oneself. 1st off they can teach us how to refine our techniques so as to win without killing the opponent. Because every MA knows that it is much easier to kill an adversary than to wound/subdue him. Submissions often require refined technique. Original Aikido is a plausible e.g. Killing, however, is direct and to the point.
AintNoSuperiorStyle 2 years ago
Interesting video. Sadly, some people don't know that Tang Soo Do and Karate-Do are one and the same. Tang Soo (China Hand or Tang [dynasty] hand) is merely Korean for the original Karate word, To-te. Hence, hyung/kata similarities. In other words, both are derived from the China Hand: kung fu.
AintNoSuperiorStyle 2 years ago
Tang soo do's punches are'nt as powerful as Karate Reverse Punches.
nandansho 2 years ago
How much power is needed for a punch to break your nose? Or crush your throat? Or cause a man's genitals to painfully constrict?
AintNoSuperiorStyle 2 years ago
Well factoring Newtons Laws of Motion etc F=MXA .Now Timing is crucial In punching or kicking, Ideally you want your opponent to commit the first move. Once he starts forward momentum, your reflexes must be refined to "beat him to the punch" If done correctly you will take advantage of his forward vector + Your forward vector resulting in a compounded impact. Now as far as say a rib fracture if your fist is tight enough where impact is on 1-2 knuckles it's 8lbs per sq inch.
nandansho 2 years ago
Wow, 8lbs/sq. inch, huh? Often just flicking a finger in the throat is enough to cause substantial pain. Didn't realise it was that much. Thanks for the input. You didn't have to use all the scientific jargon/formulae.
AintNoSuperiorStyle 2 years ago
Well, I was taught more or less the Physics of Karate from my Sensei, plus I'm a Science buff. If You check out my Video I actually fight a Tang Soo Do Artist In the USKA World Championships, see what happens in the end.
nandansho 2 years ago
I'll check it out. Thanks.
However, I was intrigued by the title because any MA history buff knows karate-do (to-te) and tangsoo do have the same roots. Tangsoodo practitioners do the kata created by Master Itotsu (Master Idos according to Hwang Kee) as well as almost every other kata i.e. hyung. In other words, they are fundamentally one and the same.
AintNoSuperiorStyle 2 years ago
Shuri Ryu is an eclectic art polished by the man that brought Karate to America O'Sensei Robert Trias. He trained under many masters such as Tong Gee Hsing,Choki Motobu, Ankoh Itsu. O'Sensei was a navy middle weight Champion before studying the arts so the practical aspects of Boxing are an integrel part of Shuri Ryu as well as Ground fighting, Joint locks, breaks, etc. I am 3rd generation from O'Sensei and my Sensei was a three time Toughman Champion way before Dana White even knew Aerobics
nandansho 2 years ago
Actually its a common mistake that karate comes from kung fu if thats what you mean. There is far more evidence to show that it originated in Okinawa and then to japan. Its more chinese propaganda than actual truth. Obviously its hard to say that nothing in karate is influenced by kung fu but the mechanics and practices are mainly okinawan
cryingindian 2 years ago
with all due respect cryingindian, I have to disagree with your point. I'm a Goju Ryu karateka and having studied our style's history, a good amount of teachings come from kungfu. Okinawans already had developed an open handed system called Te, but it was infused with teachings from China brought back by various Te masters from Okinawa. Goju Ryu shares a lot of similarities with the Fujian White Crane style of Fuzhou. With those teaches from the Fujian White Crane and Naha-Te became Goju Ryu.
Dmkoh86 2 years ago
So what your saying is a chinese fighter showed a karate man how he punches and the karate man improved on it and made it his own... so karate is chinese? No. I know thats a very very simplified way of putting it but thats basically what you're saying. And I believe the approach of the japanese arts is vastly different to any chinese art to such an extent that nothing other than various minor techniques come from the chinese in karate. of course this is an opinion lol
cryingindian 2 years ago
What I'm saying if what ALL common sense masters will guide you towards. And that is the revelation that there are only so many techniques (punches, kicks, traps, grapples etc) available to you. Unless of course you have four arms and eight legs.lol. Whether its Chinese, Japanese, Korean, French, Russian, Israeli, or what not is irrelevant to personal actualisation. Each of us adapts the techniques to suit our personal expression of the MA we practice in accordance with our personal limitations.
AintNoSuperiorStyle 2 years ago
lol yeh if i want to know bruce lee quotes ill just read his book or watch his films thanks. its amazing how many people try and pass off his wisdom for their own on here. but thanks anyway... the pretence was funny
cryingindian 2 years ago
You still don't get the point. Quote? What IS a quote? Wisdom is wisdom whether it's from Bruce Lee, Musashi, Jesus, Bahaullah, Krishna, Confucius, Uncle Sam, Buddha or yo mama.lol. Unless Bruce Lee was an E.T. everyone has the right to a slice of (dare I say his?) wisdom. Or will you want to patent yo mama's wisdom as belonging only to yo mama? In other words,NO SINGLE STYLE can patent technique. Unless you believe, e.g. that high kicking is only for tkd and low kicking for wing chun. Unlikely
AintNoSuperiorStyle 2 years ago
lol it was the whole "heres what i think" angle you were throwing my way and it was just what great men have said. fair enough you can think that but to try and make it seem like its your own revalation is pretty gimpy. I was discussing that karate did not come from china and you get all "everything comes from everything" on me to sort of sidestep my point to still come out "wise". Im busy getting ready for tonight so apologies for not caring lol. Happy new year when it comes x
cryingindian 2 years ago
My apologies, no angles were meant. Wisdom was not the point. I believe there are no revelations besides that which has already been revealed a "nothing new under the sun" (quotation marks being for your sake) outlook so to speak. Neither was the issue of "academic referencing" unless you want the page number and year of publication as well.lol. The point was that karate-do, though definitively Okinawan, has definitely been influenced by China just like Tang Soo Do (Korean) has.
AintNoSuperiorStyle 2 years ago
But to do justice I must acknowledge that kung fu has profited from karate i.e. the vice versa holds true as well. There is no totally new technique. It has always been there. It's just that you figured it out and I didn't. What was it? "Everybody knows something, nobody knows everything" right? But, happy new year to you too. (I'm basking in the sun rays of 2010 already by the way.)
AintNoSuperiorStyle 2 years ago
tang soo doo is totally Awesome
Thedragon10000 2 years ago 2
Tangsoodo Much better :-D
BGTproducts 2 years ago
Really? Then why did the Tang Soo Do practitioners get their asses beat?
TheTerrorUforgot 2 years ago 2
Nice vid and nice fight. Chubbier dude was more aggressive but the other dude was ok.
It would be nice if you would tell us who was karate and who was tang soo do thoguh. :)
womblewandering 2 years ago 2
The fat guy is Tang Soo Do
I take Tang Soo Do
I recognized his take down at 0:35
DeathKnight1995 2 years ago
Dude no, you are wrong. The Kanku- sign on his gi is a symbol of kyokushin.
macot79 2 years ago
I wasnt paying attention to his gi i was looking at his take down
DeathKnight1995 2 years ago
The fat guy is karate.
TheTerrorUforgot 2 years ago
The guy with the black trim around his uniform is practicing Tang Soo Do .
deanmuhammad 2 years ago
for one karate is japanese and tang soo do is korean lol basically i do believe that karate has a stronger base stance is delivers really powerfull blows and counters while tang soo do like Tae kwon do has a lighter stance making you quick on your feet hard to counter
CharlieTehSamurai 2 years ago
Your wrong. Chuck Norris did train in Tang Soo Do, but Taekwondo was not the style he created. Tang Soo Do and Taekwondo were nearly the same art at one time. Look it up for the whole story dont have time to write it all, but basically due to sum polictical bs became seperate styles in the 50's. Taekwondo became Koreas national martial art while TSD stayed more underground/traditional with Hwang Kee being the head figure.
clinganc 2 years ago
here it is the fighter who's been tested not the martal art.
anirudhkrishnamani 2 years ago
that first big dude ain't no joke. i wish this was a little longer. great clip.
kingemerald1 2 years ago
tang soo do is shotokan with a few fancy ass kicks thrown in.
billysue2 2 years ago
Shotokan is Tang Soo do with out fancy kicks lol
CharlieTehSamurai 2 years ago
No art is perfect all have their advantages and disadvantages
Larzuthul 2 years ago
i do tang soo do, and tis way better than karate i use to do karate and hated it, i then moved to tang soo do
keir4roxanne 2 years ago
Original Tang Soo Do.. what is Moo Duk Kwan tang soo do.. By Grandmaster Hwang Kee was highly Influenced by Japanese Shotokan. Hwang Kee would watch Japanese Soilders train and practiced thier Katas. hence the reason we do most of the same Katas/Hyungs. All that stuff that is out there now that is being called Tang Soo Do with all these fancy things going on.. That is not real Tang Soo Do that is a waterd down version a copy of a copy of a copy.. real first hand Traditional Tang Soo Do is strong
ejektro 2 years ago
Same goes for Karate - all watered down for schoolkids and sportsmen. The Katas contain some of the original moves needed for actual fighting but without instruction remain elaborate dances.
Optimusnorm 2 years ago
Isnt that the same of any martial arts that has been americanized??? they are all watered down
CharlieTehSamurai 2 years ago
Karate from Japan, and korean just needed to have a something own, that is why they "develop" that Tang Soo doo. It is same and there is nothing different. Frankly speaking, we never heard something Tang Soo Do ever.
MGLzeph 2 years ago
....jajaja such an ignorant person.
LordDarkStar77 2 years ago
well technically before Karate was known as "Empty Hand Way" it was "Chinese Hand Way" they later changed it to Empty Hand Way.. but Tang Soo Do literaly translates to Chinese Hand Way. Im not saying that Karate was once called Tang Soo Do, thats what the Koreans called it in refrence to the Chinese Hand Way. Im just saying that at once point Karate was kown as "Chinese Hand Way.. However you would say that in Japanese. If you look its almost the same Characters.
ejektro 2 years ago
karate was once called tang-te.
anirudhkrishnamani 2 years ago
Karate 空手道 (empty hand way)
Tang Soo Do 唐手道 (Chinese Hand Way)
ejektro 2 years ago
One other thing I forgot to mention. I trained under the World Tang Soo Do Association. If your Sah Bum Nim has been with the organization for a long time, the old Dan certificates state: Tang Soo Do Korean Karate.
blackbeltmrdave 2 years ago
The histories go way way back and not a whole lot is 100%. Tang Soo Do and Shotokan Karate are about 90% the same. I am an instructor of both styles and hold rank of black belt in both as well. Who can say for sure where exactly one derived from. The Koreans did however learn from the Japanese when they occupied Korea in the early 1900's. Do some research.
blackbeltmrdave 2 years ago
wait doesn't tang soo do stop at a dark blue??? b/c black means death or something. and the dark blue stands the quest of never ending knowledge. and i know that tang soo do is a mixture of arts from japan, southern china and two original arts that came from its home country. but most arts are like that. i just started not to long ago so I'm still a white belt and the concept of moving my hips to add power and driving my punches are hard for me but i will get better in given time
jaysolo157 2 years ago
Yep, Tang Soo Do stops at dark blue.
PowerOfToast 2 years ago
Midnight Blue is the proper term but yeh same thing.. ja ja
ejektro 2 years ago
i am soon to be a blue belt in tang soo do and it is not a form of karate
ziAIDANATORiz 2 years ago
Really All Martial Arts Originally Derived From Chinese Kung Fu But You Probably Know That Already
Zishmale 2 years ago
Hey, Stope being a dork, karate is from Japan, Tang soo do is from korea and is not karate. it is Tang soo do.
jacksblack1 2 years ago
tang soo do and taekwondo are similar but have no influence on each other
XxCease215xX 2 years ago
karate is from japan dude, kung fu or gung fu is from china, get it straight.
jacksblack1 2 years ago
tang soo do is a form of karate actually
and its from korea
maybe other versions of karate are but tang soo do is from korea bcuz our grand master is korean and he brought it from korea
XxCease215xX 2 years ago
lol karate is japanese.
chrism95 2 years ago
Tang Soo Do sounds like Songahm Taekwondo. I don´t like it.
hologramh 2 years ago
WTF!!!!
Karate is japanese. Taekwondo is KOREAN!!!
hologramh 2 years ago
tang soo do is korean actually...srry
XxCease215xX 2 years ago
karate is japanese, kung fu is chinese and taekwondo is korean
phanthomlordz 2 years ago
karate is japanese and taekwondo is korean
phanthomlordz 2 years ago
In America karate is used as a catch all term for all martial arts that aren't either judo, kung fu or jiu jitsu. Many American schools until the nineties referred to TSD and TKD as Korean Karate, which is totally inaccurate as Korean is an English word and karate is Japanese. However, to an outsider it is probably easier for a TSD practitioner to say I practise a form of karate than to have to explain what tang soo do is to someone who has little knowledge of MAs.
Glenn1967ful 2 years ago
thank you :D
getaway100 2 years ago
Amen. I took TSD for two years until recently. It's a lot easier to say I take "Korean Karate" or "martial arts" than explain what Tang Soo Do is while a person's eyes glaze over.
BrianTKessler 2 years ago
It isnt pathetic i hate when pepole dont know what tehy are talking about, and all they care about is the fight when moves are happening. and Tang soo do is korean.
joeyt373 2 years ago
isin't tang soo do a kind of karate?
myhotsoccer 2 years ago
i know it korean but im just stating a fact!
CoNkOrE 2 years ago
god forbid you state a fact to somebody lol.
bizitch71717 2 years ago
The karate guy is heavy so finds it easy to bully way in, TSD not aggressive enough to stop his attack, and not striking to kill . A fight is about the people fighting, not the art practiced
marcokarldefelice 2 years ago
tang soo do in japanese means karate-do pretty much so this is like korea vs. japan in the same martial art so yea this video should be called (karate match)
CoNkOrE 2 years ago
this is just terrible.
From both of them.
dannyboy1992 2 years ago
Kyokushin any day!!
Mocktezuma111 2 years ago
dude, im sorry. i just don't believe in this shit. if you are badass, you're just badass.
dougerber 3 years ago
looks like a bunch of bad grappling to me... didn't look like TSD at all... =(
bankaibecker 3 years ago
It isn't bankaibecker. I'm in tang soo do and this isn't tang soo do.
mrpersonman5 3 years ago
charlie's right. Apparently somebody hasn't really looked at the forms in TSD. Kaenas, look up the forms in TSD and the ones in shotokan they're the SAME forms, any differences are very small anyway.
dormantninja 3 years ago
It did have some Gung fu influence, and most of the style is from shotokan. But just you know, he chose the word Tang for a reason. If he hadn't he would say something else like korean hand or whatever. You need to get YOUR facts straight kaenas. Don't bother talking about things you know nothing about.
dormantninja 3 years ago
Cool... The tang soo do guy did pretty good... Lost, but did pretty good. Better than I thought... and as far as I know, Its a Korean art, with roots in Japanese-Okinawan art of karate which has chinese influence originally anyway, and some more chinese arts.
farorin 3 years ago
That tang soo do guy always try to punch in the head, the karate guy didn't
buri2zaemon 3 years ago
Alright Mr. know it all.. oh.. a Mr. thinks he knows it all. TANG SOO DO originally derived from KOREA, during Japans occupation in Korea they adopted SOME methods but all and all TANG SOO DO is a Korean Martial Art, all because the Word "Tang" is a chinese word doesnt mean SHIT so get YOUR FACTS straight and then maybe u'll stop sounding like a nimrod.
Kaenas 3 years ago
Tang Soo Do & karate are _way of the empty hand_ (Tang) showing chinese influence - all originated from okinowa.............whats the problem folks
verbalassalt08 3 years ago
the big dude outweighs him by about 75 pounds - what else did they expect?
111sean999 3 years ago
the only martial arts can beat these guys is muay thai and its crazy cousin lethwei and in case of grappling.. juijitsu or wrestling.
tawewek 3 years ago
Lawl.
CRDFightClub 3 years ago
Tang Soo do is korean i know that because i do it
Lissies14 3 years ago
that guys an idiot for losing that grip on the guys leg. once you get a grip on someones leg you push their opposite shoulder back and then quickly kick out the remaining leg.
if you wait to control their shoulder, theyll be able to hop out of it like this guy did
ninjiujitsu1 3 years ago
poor video quality isn't it?
which one is TSD?
cassavaeater 3 years ago
Tang Soo Do and Karate are both martial arts that have strong origins in Chinese Kung Fu and Shaolin Martial Arts !
Both are great disciplines and great martial arts !
XiaoLinLong 3 years ago
You are an idiot, Tang Soo Do is Korean. Learn your facts
Kaenas 3 years ago
Translate Tang Soo Do and Karate lol
Exam the origins of where it came from.
Then get back here lol
XiaoLinLong 3 years ago
eso no es Tang Soo Do, por lo demas, la diferencia fisica, produce que no sea una pelea justa.
ManiFarfan 3 years ago