Julius Caesar (Part 3 of 3)

[McSwainMan]

I like his name :)

[badgerbucky582]

The corruption of the United States will lead to the rise of a Caesar... One, that will rule the United States and eventually will change the United States Republic into the United States Empire...  No more two terms limits for U.S. President... Could be President for Life...

[tripsda9l]

@badgerbucky582 You will need people's support to change a repuplic in to an empire.. Unless most americans are stupid, and think dictatorship is great, it will never turn in to an empire

[BadassBigBoss]

@tripsda9l Well they ARE stupid. Thus why the country still runs after its imaginative democracy just like an unfortunate citizen running across London trying to find Sherlock Homes only to encounter Arthur Conan.

[RoyalistCavalier]

@BadassBigBoss The United States needs to drop the creeds of democracy, freedom, liberty, etc and adopt CAESERISM. It is time for a man on a white horse such as a man like Julius Caeser. A dictatorship is what will save the United States from the corruption and treachery of congress AND the people. The only man capable of ruiling the United States is a man like Julius Caeser and NOT Ron Paul. The people need to be ruled by an iron fisted dictator like Julius Caeser.

JULIUS CAESER ROCKS.

[arkbishopbonkerboy]

hey, i would let people worship e as a god too...be like yeah yeah water to wine, walk on water, hocus pocus.....BRING ME THE VIRGINS!!!!! (MALES NOT INCLUDED) i'm not caligula

[XxExCAL1beRxX]

What about brutus? It seems many things were left out.

[elec174]

Modern day historians in many ways distort the facts, for example the violent Halvetii tribe who asked for permission to pass through roman territory headed north and attacked and looted 3 Celtic tribes after being denied permission . The Halvetii later attacked Caesar's rear guard and after a fierce battle were crushed by the Romans, but the historians will claim that Caesar attacked a peaceful tribe migrating to a safer environment, this is totally false when you consider their history .

[NumeriousVarious]

Christianity wasn't even around back then! DONT blame Venus , Diana Cybele, Bacchus, ISIS, Vesta ,Pluto, Minerva .Apollo Jupiter. Saturn , Juno, Mercury ,Mars . !!

[izan073]

Saladin was one of the best rulers.

[ashonteibilly]

To the English version of Napoleon Dynamite.....FYI corn is a new world grain, there was no corn in ancient Egypt.

[2manynegativewaves]

@ashonteibilly To the colonial smart-arse...."Corn; A,Any of numerous cultivated forms of a widely grown, usually tall annual cereal grass (Zea mays) bearing grains or kernels on large ears. Or B,•Chiefly British. Any of various cereal plants or grains, especially the principal crop cultivated in a particular region, such as wheat in England or oats in Scotland." Source, American Heritage Dictionary . Glad to be of help old bean.

[2manynegativewaves]

@ashonteibilly But,lmao at the Napoleon Dynamite thing :)

[kimpatrick7391]

Alexander is most famous

[marthwithablackheart]

he needs a stern talkin to

[Gingie4life]

HE WAS THE GREATEST!!!

[SOPUNNY]

That was short and sweet! Now this great man burns in hell, yet he is no differnt than any other kind or president really if you think about it. His hands like obama or hitler are covered in blood, because and empire leader in charge must seek out resouces to fuel there great way of life.

[AlexeiBrusilov]

@SOPUNNY Exactly how is there blood on Obamas hands? If anything he did some good by getting most of the troops out of Iraq, so do you have any possible argument for this, I doubt it, I don't support Obama, but I support people with common sense, and anyone against Iraq has common sense in my book.

[willwork4superpowazz]

@SOPUNNY Man you're pathetic. People like you are useless simple minded, quaint and stupid. Not much to contribute but blunt ignorantly moral accusations and statements.

[MrMiddenfacemcnulty]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

[Destoryer86]

I didnt know that he disbanded his bodyguard. That was increadibly stupid. He knew that he had many Senators who hated him. How could he have not thought that they might kill him if they had the chance? He was too overconfident and thought he had complete control over rome, even in the sentate. He was wrong.

[jacksawild]

The weeks or even months leading up to his assassination were of the senate bestowing honours upon him and treating him as a god. He was appointed dictator for life and this is when he disbanded his personal guard, as his ego had been inflated enough to believe that no one in Rome could bear him any ill will. There is a theory that he was in the middle of an epileptic episode after an absence seizure and that this was being taken advantage of. There are 4 accounts of seizures in his life.

[MTheoryGuy]

@MetallicaFan035 Absolutely, but it does happen in religion, which is what this little debate is about.

Man is to blame for his violence, undoubtedly, and in trying to subdue his violent nature with artificial concepts like religion he has, with the same certainty, failed. The fact is religion has aided man in his search for justification of otherwise unjustifiable acts, "God told me to" has always been dangerous.

And so, regardless of how jolly and nice an idea like religion is supposed ...

[MTheoryGuy]

to be that does not justify how it is in fact used, as a scapegoat for great evil.

Not that, obviously, the Judeo-Christian religions have much "nice" to them in the first place.

[histatimaniples]

caesar was not blonde!

[goldensassenach]

He was a bit deranged.He had tar poured over Christians and used them as candles at garden parties.

[lordenrique]

@goldensassenach Julius Caesar was a few decades before Christ, and almost three centuries before Christianity. Certainly one of the later emperors did this, but Caesar was a bit too early to be guilty of that.

[griffinpage]

@goldensassenach I believe you have mistaken Caesar for Nero or Caligula, both later Roman Emperors who were known to be both insane and also very anti-Christian. It may have been Nero, after the Great Fire of Rome in 64 C.E.

[raghib88]

Romans believed in the idea of liberty, but liberty never existed and nor does it exist today. Any nation, empire or any form of ruled civilisation will always be placed under dictatorship, willingly or unwillingly. Whether recognised or not. Thus Caesar was ambitious like all men of his time and took advantage in comparison to the way our politicians take control of us unknowingly brainwashing us with thier terms 'freedom -democracy'.

[MegasAlexandros28]

A Great man. A bit too brutal, like the rest of history's Greatest, but none the less a Great man.

[veryfuck]

sad but true; sick-minded and psychopaths rule the world. only a minor quantity live within institutional walls

[zkear0n]

Et tu Brutu

[v49624430]

Wow!...There are alot of expert historians posting on here....LOL!!!!

[mongoose100989]

what a piece of crap.

What ever happened to his son?

[SwedishNikar]

@mongoose100989 His son was eventually killed by Octavianus aka Augustus after defeating Mark Anthony and Cleopatra

[mongoose100989]

whats that thingie about march 15th

[meowdiana]

Julius caesar calender concept, this is what a 'currency' is, you know u would still wake up if the clock stopped. the cities are propelled by your minds, by interacting with numbers that have a tax and by that calender adding as the sun goes by, this is a 'current' as when your blood all goes one way, and passes through the heart. you are as to since your birth, therein you value with your mind each material and the time it takes to machine anything or put anything together. pyramid structures

[meowdiana]

this is how a TRUE king has people building cities for them.

There is only 1 king, those after me only think of exceeding in numbers, in this currency(current)

you can say his name, and your mind will be connected to thought of numbers of people manning his

operation long after he is gone, you know him to play a huge role in the maintaining. the king will be avenged for mans iniquitys, since his helps, wants for his own food will be tied to the currency concept, kings men are not the same

[meowdiana]

*the kings will not for their iniquity's, because the KING knows there to be iniquity's with everyman and between men, he is the king of ALL, and none will have the same effect for iniquity as the king does, and only the king can help the person with Job. There's are not to be regarded as the same iniquitys, only the kings are justified. since he is there ruler.

[EricMetalGuitarist]

As for the conversation going on here about polytheism and Christianity, I'd like to point out that the Romans did not become less prone to murder when most urban Romans converted to Christianity in the 4th century AD. I would say that the Roman aristocracy and emperors remained as conniving, conspiring, and murderous as they ever were. Christian morals certainly didn't stop medieval Christians from killing each other, or modern ones, for that matter.

[imperatorcaesar100]

Roman polytheists (Pagans) did not normally practice human sacrifices only in the case of a severe crisis such in the aftermath of the battle of Cannae, and after the defeat of a large consular army by the tribes the cimbri, and the teutons at the battle of Arausio. The romans had also exterminated the druids at the isle of mona becasue of the druids practice of human sacrifices. Of all the pagan societies I think Rome had the most moderate, and most progressive of all polytheist religions.

[mmedefarge]

Corn in Egypt?? Corn was a crop of Mesoamerica & had yet to be discovered by the Old World.

[jonnyrisas]

no doubt

[MrRobyoublind]

this man was amazing!

[eGoisticaL69]

how?? he killed millions of people with no mercy

its like saying Hitler was amazing..

[MrRobyoublind]

well im not talkin about hitler im talkin about julius caesar...yes i no he did kill millions of ppl....srry man i still think he was amazin this is my opinion...u have urs!

[sneeptheelite]

they were brutal cunts back in the day u cant really judge them by our standards. they're mindset wasn't based on the Christian idea that killing is bad to them it was just a fact of life

[MTheoryGuy]

That killing is "bad" is a position inherent in all stable minded humans, it is by no means a "christian idea".

[sneeptheelite]

You would think that, but the Germans, Aztecs and even the Romans (as well as other cultures) practiced human sacrifice.

[MTheoryGuy]

Yes, and there were countless other non Christian cultures which did not. The fact is, life back then was simply brutal, there was no equality, there were virtually no set of laws which helped protect the masses from exploitation, and thus they were horribly exploited (yes, even in Christian cultures). The majority obviously would never kill, but those that could, did.

Christianity, like all religions, has killed more than it has saved.

[sneeptheelite]

as far as i can see until christianity came they had no concept that killing was bad. they had no problem slaughtering the women and children of tribes that oppossed them and the crowds back in Rome didnt hav a problem with it either.

[MTheoryGuy]

? And I suppose the Christian crusaders then treated all the non-Christian women and children with the out most respect and dignity they deserved?

Violence was a fact of life back then, it transcended nationalities and creeds of the entire human spectrum, and religion was most definitely of no exception to this. All it did was focus violence unto members of OTHER religions.

Surely you, presumably a follower, must surely know of its real, unbiased history. It was violent.

[sneeptheelite]

look man i think you're misinterpreting my argument. I'm not saying that christians have never committed atrocities. it's my belief that many pre-christian cultures (and i only say pre-christian because christianity makes it pretty clear that killing is wrong) simply did not consider killing to be a morally reproachable act. If a culture practices human sacrifices to their gods, as many cultures did, clearly they hold human life to be of little value.

[MTheoryGuy]

So your argument holds it that pre-Christian cultures held lives at a lesser value then those of Christian origin?

You must realize that ritual sacrifice, as barbaric and wasteful as it seems to us, works on the basis that life is the most precious thing of all. It is meant to show the gods that a people are willing to part with one of their own in order to gain their favor, the ultimate act of devotion.

You are imposing a cultural perspective on killing to other cultures, it will not work.

[martinfim]

"You must realize that ritual sacrifice, as barbaric and wasteful as it seems to us, works on the basis that life is the most precious thing of all."

Damn, I never even tought of it that way. That's a good point.

[polskaaa123]

@MTheoryGuy

Christian religoin is kind of fake evry biszkopt sayes something elese same as most of churches they dont help each others so just calm dow

[MATTDUNCAN1]

@sneeptheelite ,,is it not the commandment of moses...who certainly had never even heard of a christian..ergo he was pre-christian...thou shalt not kill ??

[sneeptheelite]

Did i mention the Jewish people? no. The jews had pretty much zero influence on the world prior to Jesus.

[MATTDUNCAN1]

@sneeptheelite ..you said..pre-christian society..like it or not the jews were a society of people...also...even primitive peoples had rules against murder...no need for you to be a silly prat..but..this is a public forum..it is good for people to see your response

[gishkiman]

Oh no, it wasn't until over a thousand years after the bible that people realized that. Roughly after the War of Roses in England. But the slaughter during war continued well into the nineteenth century.

[MetallicaFan035]

@MTheoryGuy That is due to man, not the principles and real beliefs of the religion. That happens in everything, not just religion.

[ElenaGeorge1]

@MTheoryGuy

Are you kidding? Christianity, for all the flawed members of the group, brought the West hospitals, universities, and respect for life. The Christian Church built what we call The West. It puts moral curbs on human conduct.

[cheddyrod]

@ElenaGeorge1 remove your head from your ass and then take a good at what Christianity has done.

[Tonesyxx]

@ElenaGeorge1 You're wrong. These ideas have existed in Eurasian cultures long before the arrival of Christianity.

Ave, True to Caesar!

[americanliberal09]

@MTheoryGuy why you bring up religion dude? this about rome and juluis caesar career

[martinfim]

I agree. Also, the bible condones killing too, does'nt it? And slavery. Both of which are often seen as things the romans where doing and christianity condemned.

[diogok]

@MTheoryGuy

And tell me WHERE does it come from...

We are not born with the idea that killing is bad, it must have started from somewhere else...

[lordenrique]

@diogok So what are you saying, that if you give a baby enough opportunity he'll be more than happy to strangle you?

[diogok]

@lordenrique Possibly! (if he fiscally could do it, obviously)

Remember we are not born with the idea that killing is wrong. We learn this as we grow, either from our parents, the environment we live in or from the society.

[lordenrique]

@diogok So, if you give a baby enough of an opportunity, he'll be more than happy to strangle you?

[PoppingSanta]

@MTheoryGuy

Well, it depends on who and why you kill.

[bxjam85]

@MTheoryGuy The idea that killing and the desire for wealth and power is inherently bad IS a Christian idea. Christian doctrine prefers torture and cruelty as a form of punishment in the afterlife. Stable minded human beings embrace the reality of war as a part of the human condition but encourage civil conduct in warfare. Caesar clearly broke that code with his brutality and ruthlessness. Warfare in the modern age is very uncivil and mob oriented due to democracy and ultra-nationalism.