When the cycle lane ended, you both entered the roundabout at the same time. A roundabout is a circular road; in this case a very wide road with plenty of room for the both of you.
The driver did his/her part of sharing by keeping to the right as much as possible. The cyclist did not keep to the left, but chose to hug the car since he prefers to travel in a straight line.
I see no foul. Well, only if the car forced you to take the 2nd exit; but I'm sure he saw you indicating in his mirror.
You were side by side entering the roundabout, and then you got as close to the car as possible for absolutely no obvious reason. We can all see the clear 8 feet of roadway to your left that there's no car in.
The more videos I watch, the more it seems that you make the absolute most/worst out of every situation. If you're that worried, just walk. Well, apart from the one where that Merc rear-ended you.
With video clips it is hard to be sure, but this looks to me completely your fault, all road users must maintain lane discipline, I believe the car takes up the right hand lane position around the rood about but you keep quit straight even coming out of the cycle lane entering the junction, keep left maintain your position. again thanks for posting.
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users.
There is no rule that say you cannot overtake on a roundabout in the lane to the right, as long as you give plenty of room, it is the cyclist that does not stay in his lane not the car.
@parkdrivingschool , there isn't another lane on the roundabout. You're asking the cyclist to remain in a lane that doesn't exist. Worse, you're asking him to take a position that is more appropriate for turning left, and this increases the risk of the car left-hooking the cyclist.
The car overtook at a point that caused conflict; its that simple.
I hope you are not as your name suggests you are not a professional driver. The normal position for left and going ahead are the same ( CYCLIST NEEDS TO KEEP TO THE LEFT(LANE)). You should always assume 2 lanes on a roundabout unless marked otherwise.
The car IF taking up the optinal right lane position needs to keep in the right (lane) and be aware and prepared to give way if a cyclist or horse are turning right.
The car driver should have slowed down and waited until the straight section before overtaking. Roundabouts are NOT good places for overtaking anything. Car drivers are all too impatient and forget that bicycles do not have the same accelerating / decelerating power. I say that as a car driver and cyclist. I would have waited for the straight section in case the cyclist got into difficulty on the roundabout and needed more room.
If the driver was turning left, we won't see this video now would we.
Paul's not nit-picking. Majority of accidents happens at intersections (which includes roundabouts) where some drivers are focused on traffic from the right and not what's ahead or to their left.
come on, this is such a little thing compared to my daily cycle. It is hardly note worthy and even if it was no driver is gunna watch it on here. There is no need trying to correct the behavior of millions of drivers. Cyclists should be better at accounting for drivers mistakes. After all drivers are dicks to cyclists because a) they resent us for being fitter than they are. and b) most cyclists run reds, don't indicate, scare the fuck out of pedestrians and generally suck
Yes there's nothing 'wrong' but things could be a lot better. The driver puts himself where he can't see if the cyclist is turning and steers sharp left across the nose of the cyclist on a greasy road. It's a matter of opinion but an advanced motorist could keep the cyclist easily visible in front and not go into the roundabout in parallel.
well he didn't left hook you so it's ok. maybe he thought u were turning left so he overtook you? if you wanted to turn right around the roundabout you should've asserted urself in the middle of the road. If you thought ur visibility was compromised you cud just think i'll stop and wait as u were entering the roundbout. And if I were pissed I would blast it up to his window and ask him "WTF?!?!".
He might have been more in th emiddle of teh road if the car didn't start to overtake BEFORE the roundabout, where the cyclist no longer has any room to move into the centre.
Correct. I was unable to occupy primary as desired because the car driver was already failing to anticipate the cyclist's need for space in this situation.
I disagree overtaking cyclists as they enter or are on roundabouts is very dangerous manoeuvre, is advised against in the HC and is a major cause of cyclist injuries and deaths.
No need to overtake there, driver didnt gain anything, they just endangered the cyclist.
Lots of drivers would take this approach, which is why we need more education, like this video.
Err, the car driver did nothing wrong. What a shit video.
danielrichardbond 5 months ago
When the cycle lane ended, you both entered the roundabout at the same time. A roundabout is a circular road; in this case a very wide road with plenty of room for the both of you.
The driver did his/her part of sharing by keeping to the right as much as possible. The cyclist did not keep to the left, but chose to hug the car since he prefers to travel in a straight line.
I see no foul. Well, only if the car forced you to take the 2nd exit; but I'm sure he saw you indicating in his mirror.
Nomasain 6 months ago
You were side by side entering the roundabout, and then you got as close to the car as possible for absolutely no obvious reason. We can all see the clear 8 feet of roadway to your left that there's no car in.
The more videos I watch, the more it seems that you make the absolute most/worst out of every situation. If you're that worried, just walk. Well, apart from the one where that Merc rear-ended you.
martinjamieson 8 months ago 5
@martinjamieson Wrong. Read The Highway Code section on Overtaking (162-169). 162, 163, 166 &167 are all breached by the car driver.
catbells69 5 months ago
I've uploaded "Another roundabout squeeze"
here
watch?v=rq56HQSQphM
It doesn't take long to collect a handful of these: the problem is endemic.
mailpauljonescouk 2 years ago
With video clips it is hard to be sure, but this looks to me completely your fault, all road users must maintain lane discipline, I believe the car takes up the right hand lane position around the rood about but you keep quit straight even coming out of the cycle lane entering the junction, keep left maintain your position. again thanks for posting.
parkdrivingschool 2 years ago 2
Lanes or no lanes the car overtook on the roundabout. I'm sure TCT is right about the Highway Code saying not to do it.
Dashdecent 2 years ago
rule 167
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users.
There is no rule that say you cannot overtake on a roundabout in the lane to the right, as long as you give plenty of room, it is the cyclist that does not stay in his lane not the car.
parkdrivingschool 2 years ago
That'll teach me not to look it up for certain. The Highway Code is even available on line.
Dashdecent 2 years ago
@parkdrivingschool , there isn't another lane on the roundabout. You're asking the cyclist to remain in a lane that doesn't exist. Worse, you're asking him to take a position that is more appropriate for turning left, and this increases the risk of the car left-hooking the cyclist.
The car overtook at a point that caused conflict; its that simple.
cabdav 2 years ago
I hope you are not as your name suggests you are not a professional driver. The normal position for left and going ahead are the same ( CYCLIST NEEDS TO KEEP TO THE LEFT(LANE)). You should always assume 2 lanes on a roundabout unless marked otherwise.
The car IF taking up the optinal right lane position needs to keep in the right (lane) and be aware and prepared to give way if a cyclist or horse are turning right.
parkdrivingschool 2 years ago 3
The car driver should have slowed down and waited until the straight section before overtaking. Roundabouts are NOT good places for overtaking anything. Car drivers are all too impatient and forget that bicycles do not have the same accelerating / decelerating power. I say that as a car driver and cyclist. I would have waited for the straight section in case the cyclist got into difficulty on the roundabout and needed more room.
Cyberwwwizard 2 years ago
If the driver was turning left, we won't see this video now would we.
Paul's not nit-picking. Majority of accidents happens at intersections (which includes roundabouts) where some drivers are focused on traffic from the right and not what's ahead or to their left.
TheJimDandy2008 2 years ago
come on, this is such a little thing compared to my daily cycle. It is hardly note worthy and even if it was no driver is gunna watch it on here. There is no need trying to correct the behavior of millions of drivers. Cyclists should be better at accounting for drivers mistakes. After all drivers are dicks to cyclists because a) they resent us for being fitter than they are. and b) most cyclists run reds, don't indicate, scare the fuck out of pedestrians and generally suck
Kishgofu 2 years ago
i think you're just nit-picking now. there wasn't anything really wrong with that. It's a minor inconvenience.
Kishgofu 2 years ago 4
Yes there's nothing 'wrong' but things could be a lot better. The driver puts himself where he can't see if the cyclist is turning and steers sharp left across the nose of the cyclist on a greasy road. It's a matter of opinion but an advanced motorist could keep the cyclist easily visible in front and not go into the roundabout in parallel.
mailpauljonescouk 2 years ago 2
well he didn't left hook you so it's ok. maybe he thought u were turning left so he overtook you? if you wanted to turn right around the roundabout you should've asserted urself in the middle of the road. If you thought ur visibility was compromised you cud just think i'll stop and wait as u were entering the roundbout. And if I were pissed I would blast it up to his window and ask him "WTF?!?!".
Kishgofu 2 years ago
He might have been more in th emiddle of teh road if the car didn't start to overtake BEFORE the roundabout, where the cyclist no longer has any room to move into the centre.
drsquirrel0 2 years ago
Correct. I was unable to occupy primary as desired because the car driver was already failing to anticipate the cyclist's need for space in this situation.
mailpauljonescouk 2 years ago
@mailpauljonescouk you could habve easily obtained primary position by just moving in BEHIND the car
px712uf 7 months ago
I disagree overtaking cyclists as they enter or are on roundabouts is very dangerous manoeuvre, is advised against in the HC and is a major cause of cyclist injuries and deaths.
No need to overtake there, driver didnt gain anything, they just endangered the cyclist.
Lots of drivers would take this approach, which is why we need more education, like this video.
TCTC68 2 years ago 2
well it wasn't really overtaking because the cycle lane extended onto the roundabout and so it is a separate lane which he should've stayed in.
Kishgofu 2 years ago
A cycle lane is not a separate lane...
And the lane does not extend onto the roundabout either...
drsquirrel0 2 years ago
@Kishgofu Wrong. Read The Highway Code section on Overtaking (162-169). 162, 163, 166 &167 are all breached by the car driver.
catbells69 5 months ago