John Major Jenkins, author of Maya Cosmogenesis 2012 interviewed for GrahamHancock.com

[buisyman]

This guy seriously reminds me of Jim Jones. Before you know it, he'll be telling people to drink the arsenic-laced kool-aide because it'll give them visions from God, or something.

[Thyalwaysseek]

@buisyman This coming from someone who does burping video...yeh thanks for the info I think I will stick with the ancient wisdom keepers cheers.

[buisyman]

@Thyalwaysseek If this was all about something the Christians believed, y'all would be calling it crap. You'd be calling it lies and superstition. What you're calling wisdom, I'm calling superstition and wivestales. Show me the math. I'm real good at math.

[Thyalwaysseek]

@buisyman Go and learn sacred geometry and all will be explained...I would also recommend the research of Maurice Cotterall. Peace :)

[buisyman]

@Thyalwaysseek Sacred geometry? Really? I KNEW it. you're just another religious fanatic. Don't forget to say hello to Jim Jones. BTW, I've studied geometry, Algebra Physics and Calculus.

[Thyalwaysseek]

@buisyman hahahahaha....you are funny!!! 

[Thyalwaysseek]

@buisyman Christian beLIEf's are based on the corrupted texts from Rome, they've rolled out these circuses for the last 2000 years...I would take my information from the ancients before anyone else including the top NASA scientists for they had no agenda...I recommend reading the Kybalion now that is an ancient text that Rome has sought to destroy and has slaughtered many who sought to bring this wisdom into the light.

[buisyman]

@Thyalwaysseek Right. That's what every false religion says about every other religion, especially Christianity. Corrupted texts. That no agenda crap is just that. crap. EVERYONE has an agenda, you and me included. Especially the Aztecs. The agenda they followed is the same as every other false religion. Control and dominate. You DO realize, of course, in the Aztec Religion, they performed human sacrifice to appease their gods, don't you?

[Thyalwaysseek]

@buisyman Hahahaha...thanks for the laugh...I think you need to stick to your burping video's...lol...

[buisyman]

@Thyalwaysseek Yeah, I do burping videos. I'd just bought my video camera. I didn't know what to make my first video about. I had no followers and no page views. I'd watched a bunch of funny burp and fart vids, so I made one. Now I have tons of page views and some followers, too. What can I say? Gotta give the people what they want. lol. I'm no making money through advertisers.

[buisyman]

does anyone know or care that this dude did loads of LSD and other hallucinogenics when he was a teenager? He's never studied astrophysics, or anything even remotely related to mathematics. He's a drug soaked freak with a Jesus complex. his crap is all based on "spirituality, not science. He's a total loser, and they can't even get our position in the galaxy right.

[Thyalwaysseek]

@buisyman LOL...wow for someone who has no interest in this crap you certainly have taken the time to write a myriad of comments.

[buisyman]

@Thyalwaysseek It was my day off, and I was bored. I like to see what level the devolution of man has descended to, and crap like this renews my faith in mankinds ability to fuck things up.

[vintageozarks]

John Majors Jenkins says "2012 is the year of wearing many hats" -- spiritual, material. The silliness of the major media will be exposed. Galactic alignment theory is when the Dark Rift alignment with the Winter Solstice activating waves of expanded awareness for those seeking it.

[buisyman]

@vintageozarks Sounds like Jim Jones garbage, doesn't it? This dude that's trying to convince me, thyalwaysseek, has been talking about sacred geometry. Garbage.

[flyscreen99]

overall it is pretty boring zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz­zzzzzz

[flyscreen99]

the alignment happens every december 21st - its not unique

[Thyalwaysseek]

@flyscreen99 Ummm actually this particular alignment doesn't...best you do some more research me thinks.

[flyscreen99]

@Thyalwaysseek - ok fair enuf :)

[flyscreen99]

@Thyalwaysseek  - i was using Neil Degrasse Tyson as my source

[quicklyitgoesby]

Thank you for sharing this great information.

[klr22459]

Thanks for your mature and intelligent comments. Peace.

[mahatmaenergy]

Thank you for your very enriching perspective on the work of the Multidimensional Beings who were the Mayans, and the Conclusion, Tranformation, and Renewal viewpoint on the 2012 phenomena. You've spoken like a true 21st Century Mayan Elder.

[buisyman]

@mahatmaenergy Multidimensional beings? Really? You've been listening to George Noory for far too long.

[cyrexccc]

@SimXLive at 19:41, he says " precession is related to ice ages" not that ice ages are on a 26000 year cycle and he even says that not his field. if your going to quote someone, please get it right. you seem very close minded and well, kind of a "know it all" punk. but hey that's your problem.

[buisyman]

@cyrexccc Are you sure it's a 26,000year cycle, or are you quoting someone else? I've not really been much interested in ice age cycles, I've been more interested in the heating and cooling cycles that have affected mankind. The dark aged happened during a cooling period, We had famine, disease, etc. The renascence happened during a warming period. We had prosperity, good health, population growth, etc.

[AnimalCycles]

@SimXLive So, you found and highlighted your little reason to discontinue watching the rest of the interview. what a loss because the rest of it was beautiful. what grade are you in? even if one does make an error, which he really didn't, it doesn't always disqualify the rest of the information presented. you have to take everything in, and analyze all the data before you completely bail on a discussion like this one. I'm not trying to insult you, just help you.

[llcoolm187]

@SimXLive wow, go team human!!!

[ZJhontu1]

@AnimalCycles Well spoken and concurred.

[buisyman]

@AnimalCycles You do realize, of course, that none of this is based on anything remotely relating to mathematics of any kind, don't you? This is all "spiritualist" wives tales. There's no real astronomy here, it's all astrology. It's all myth and hocus pocus. Prehistoric superstition masked in a semblance of science.

[Thyalwaysseek]

@buisyman The only thing it is based upon is mathematics...lol...seriously you need to do some research before you go making baseless and incorrect statements.

[buisyman]

@Thyalwaysseek So show me the math. Don't tell me there's math, show it to me. I'm real good at math.

[Thyalwaysseek]

@buisyman What I am here to hold your hand now?...lol...I think you need to gather information yourself...but I have plenty of uploads with my research. Peace :)

[buisyman]

@Thyalwaysseek Oh, I see, you don't have any mathematical proof to offer. Thanks. You just proved my point. I'll stick with real Physics, Not some ancient mumbo jumbo From a religion that practiced human sacrifice.

[Thyalwaysseek]

@buisyman Where do you think quantum physics comes from??? >>>>> Hermetics. What do want me to do all the equation on here...why? Why do I care what you believe, this is your journey and your path and quite frankly I don't really care if you believe me or not...lol...

[buisyman]

@Thyalwaysseek Hermetics? Really? Maybe you should do some real research and find out what Hermetics really is. Hermes was an ancient Greek god, dude. Like I said, Religious bullshit, that's all it is. It's all about spiritualism. You haven't shown me any math because you don't have any. You don't have to work the equations for me, I can do that for myself. You've got nothing but a Jim Jones type spiritual leader. Hope you enjoy that kool-aide.

[Thyalwaysseek]

@buisyman Actually that's why I said you should stick to burping video's...no Hermetics predates Ancient Egypt...google Thoth.

[buisyman]

@Thyalwaysseek Lol, toth? Really? Why? All you have to do is google hermetics. You're such a loser. enjoy that kool--aide

[Thyalwaysseek]

@buisyman Yep okay....you just keep digging that hole...I am sure there will be someone else who actually does the research before firing off ignorant comments that will enlighten you. Google Hermetics?...I actually study it...lol...

[mawheegan]

The relevance of this interview can be found in JMJ's analogy of societies currently running the world. Once all the western culturally based subjectivity to martyred ideologies such as apocalyptic futures is set aside....then an enlightened attitude can recognize the potential of an era to purport universal change...in a highly succinct and positive postulate. Without the background understanding of the base nature of current societies..argument ensues.

[33interzona]

In order to develope a fairie shifts into many different shapes (many different resonances, all into the vast human realm (angels, demons, vampires, etc), when it have shifted into all its possibilities of transformation becomes a white bubble... this is why contacts some humans (the human in that contact feels love, fear, etc. giving to the being the energy that it's resonance needs in that moment). Not needing more energy becomes a being that just gives: a genius (1000 nights), same as "Alien"

[33interzona]

It seem that planets are like wombs for the energy of the stars. Earth recieve the energy of a star and gives it a shape for Earth, that shape is inteligent, it's a "fairie" (it's here from the beggining to the end of the world), the fairie resonates through thousands of years in order to help to trascend a biological structure until the "fairie" can fit in it, and both become oneself. Fairies are human like shapes made by Earth from stars... and humans helps each others to develope.

[33interzona]

Aliens, fairies, etc. comes from another realm that can come into this one as energy, as energy that knows how to resonate in different ways (the resonance makes the "shape" in which the being appear) when it gets in contact with a human the being conects with the energy of the human and teaches it to resonate in different ways and get back energy to develope itself (simbiosis) until the being becomes a white bubble and the human able to go into,and to percieve, that realm.Read Timeo,it's real

[33interzona]

In that dream I saw the Aztecs feeding a star (with sacrifices) that will become a solar system greater than this one. It seems that there are periods of time in which this kind of things are "allowed". Then it stops, and the entities of this planets (from other realms) starts to resonate again for Earth, changing, in doing so, the biological beings by means of feeding them through diverses resonances.

[33interzona]

I'm writting this 'cause of a dream: If we're in Kaliyuga, where all the energy that Earth is loosing goes? and How it goes? In a dream I saw planets that are being fertilized by that energy, the energy goes there with the shape of resonance (vibratory fields) - like some crop circles shapes that resembles the energetic structure of animals. That period of Entropy and Caos (heard in the Hermes Lament) seems to be necesary, but for "unknown" reasons. Maybe 2012 means the stop of that necesity.

[lanagual]

Jesus Christ was a revolutionary-denying the old testament teachings, revealing the pharisees as hypocritical, power hungry pseudo-priests,and saying..where is heaven?..it is in your heart-Is Peter the reincarnation of Elijah?.No, Elijah is not here in this cycle...Judge no man, unless you are free from all sin...the Father and I and You are one....follow me, don't worship me...and at then end of the day, I believe Jesus kissed Mary Magdalene and tried to enjoy his brief moments as a human being

[rahbwells]

@lanagual never heard of someone saying this in a non-sarcastic tone, i like the idea

[tomasjf]

A nice clear exposition of J.M. Jenkins ideas and research, what surprises me most is that so many comments are about Jesus, the bible etc... I thought i was a mistake and was reading the comments on another interview entirely. It is a bit of a shame when instead of having an open mind, people just bring up the stuff they are "stuck on" and try to make a point here, there and everywhere almost as if trolling.

[ScienceandArt1970]

@tomasjf i totally agree.. And people probably do go "trolling" to dumb down comment boards.. It seems so obvious in some cases.. various other examples i could site.. ***makes you wonder some times.. maybe there are various "institutions" paying sheeple to do this .. Either that or they are so completely hooked on their "collective hive program" and are not able to disengage from it and think independently. ... (time for a new operating system.. ie, DMT.. as Terrence Mckenna would say)

[ytcrittical]

not as good as geoff stray but a descent watch

[0rangekick]

here's one of my favorite bible quotes where Jesus actually reveals his true identity: “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” Revelation 22:16

So were either talking about astrology or Jesus is fucking Lucifer - your choice!

[gotimeyo]

@0rangekick

Again, both Jesus and satan are described as lions. God's people are called sheep, Jesus is called the Lamb. Such descriptions are not exclusive, but the context in which they are used reveal what the intent of the comparison is. Lucifer was mr. light, bright and radiant (and he can still appear so), but God is the true Light. Adam and Eve were also clothed in light, that doesn't make them lucifer, God, Jesus etc...

[0rangekick]

@gotimeyo Jesus was called the "lamb" because his father was a goat (baphomet)? In the story of Exodus a lot of people were killed because they continued to worship Taurus the bull ... and wasn't it the clergy and the money changers that had Jesus crucified so the god of Aries (Aryan?) could continue for another age?

WAKE-UP....!

[gotimeyo]

@0rangekick

Again, cherrypicking. Why is the bull Taurus and not Apis? How does the bronze serpent fit into this? or the fish-headed Dagon? What makes Moses Aries? Ram's horns came from the sheep they raised, and besides, Exodus is dated, again, over 600 years after Aries supposedly began.

Also, Jesus was crucified for blasphemy, our modern conception of astrology is not shared with anyone living even 1000 years ago. They couldn't have even been aware.

[gotimeyo]

@gotimeyo

Shame on me...Moses is never even recorded blowing the ram's horn! I had just assumed because Ascharya S. said he did, it must be in there somewhere.

Sorry, I'll try to be less hasty in responding in the future.

[0rangekick]

@gotimeyo The calf (Taurus the bull) represents the age in which the Moses lived when he wrote the Torah. The horns on Moses' head represents the moon crescent. Jupiter is the planet of kings. Saturn is the planet that rules the Jews.

Astrology, Tarot, numerology and the Kabbalah are the proper divination arts and the bible is nothing more than a deception. What we have is right brained "kings" ruling over left brained peoples.

WAKE-UP...!!!

[gotimeyo]

@0kck

Moses' 'horns' come from Jerome's mistranslation of 'rays of light' from having witnessed the glory of God, hence the veil to cover his face. Michaelangelo did a lot to popularize the image, but it just enforces my belief that a lot of 'Christian' art does nothing but twist popular perception.

It's true that our 'kings' are entrenched in the occult...this..isn't an argument in such practices' favour, imo. The 'Truth' movement works hard to funnel all the waking up people into that system

[gotimeyo]

@0rangekick

I'm not saying such systems of mysticism and transcendentalism etc don't yield results. But from my experience, the root of these results is evil. Though I've turned my life over to Christ, from time to time, I still have to deal with the effects of having dabbled in such practices, much like a smoker who's quit may still suffer from damaged lungs

[0rangekick]

@gotimeyo the 2012 thing is about us, it's about co-creation and not about leadership, turning yourself over to another god is exactly what 2012 isn't. The fact that you haven't figured this out yet is quite telling - even the bible tells you that it's a lie, that it's a parable and a metaphor but you refuse to acknowledge it. See Marc 4:11 ... anyway I'm done responding to this - we're in a freewill zone and we're here to make choices and you obviously made yours.

good luck...

[gotimeyo]

@0rangekick

Mark 4:11 states that the hidden truths of God are only parables to those who are outside; those who 'hear but do not understand'. While it is true the the bible can be taken as illustrations to teach, I just think the interpretation you've chosen will ultimately lead to true intentions of the nwo.

When the whole world 'evolves', and my beliefs being too stuffy and offensive to tolerate, I hope you'll look up how and why we got to that point.

thx, I'll be praying for you

[BluTrilobite]

2012: Palin becomes President, end of the human race soon happens! How did the Mayans know this so many years ago?!

[GnosticNinja]

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[boburke]

awesome video, thank you much for uploading ;)

[0rangekick]

@AnthonyJacksonTubeTV the only way is to follow the dude carrying a pitcher of water and you follow him into his house (age of aquarius) - and this is according to Jesus (Luke 22:10). So you'll have to change gods which happens at every new age. Btw the bible started in the age of Aries (the ram), just google baphomet and washington to know which god you've been praying to all these years.

[gotimeyo]

@0rangekick

Exodus is dated as having been written 650 years after the age of Aries began. In Luke 22:7-9, Jesus tells Peter and John to go prepare the passover, they ask Him where He wants to eat that night, and He tells them to follow the man carrying the pitcher (not pouring btw). Bible as astrological allegory only works if you're willing to misquote, extrapolate, and assume every mundane reference (like people eating fish) has some greater meaning. Zeitgeist has been debunked.

[GnosticNinja]

@gotimeyo

Sorry about your lack of comprehension.

So typical is it to find self entitled pretender Christians that cannot be bothered to do even the most cursory investigation into the origins, doctrine and understanding at least the basics of the religion they profess as the ONLY way to God.

How sad is it; to just go around spouting "Zeitgeist is debunked" without knowing anything, without doing what Yesu Ben Panter emphatically instructed must be done... to "save" ones self & humanity.

[gotimeyo]

@GnosticNinja

Alright, not a thorough study, I admit, but I watched your Favorited video that's supposed to tie Christianity with Egyptian religion and at least that itself is pretty easy to discard. A lot of it seems to try to find parallels between Egyptian art (w/o context) and link it to 'Christian' art. There's also a lot of analogies between Egyptian mythology and the strawman Christianity which is so easy to tear down (Mary, the pope, most Christian art, disciples as animals...)

[gotimeyo]

...Jesus was described as a lamb and a lion, sure, but the devil was described as a lion too...so were others in the bible; as wolves, goats etc...trying to link metaphors that describe character to literal animal-headed gods is a bit weak. I also have trouble seeing how a humpty dumpty osiris is comparable to Jesus' resurrection. I could touch on every point in that video, but I suspect you have something more credible to back up your beliefs?

[GnosticNinja]

@gotimeyo It's simple really...STOP believing.

The whole Bib-of-El is heavily laden with vines, roots, branches, fields, dirt, various animals, especially trees AND a talking mule... Why?

It's MAGIC!

A wise-ard has a wise-dome.

Jesus was many things, even called 'morning-star' (Venus) but above all he was known as the ultimate stellar Magi-straight whom taught the narrow path

"keys of the king-dome".

For those who have the eyes & ears to hear it and see it.

[GnosticNinja]

@gotimeyo

Point being, there is nothing to fear.

These ideas and concepts of Christos were around as was the "Creator of All Things" thou-sands of years before the Yews. Subsequent "visitations" and wisdom gleamed from great "disc-eye-please" of the "mysterium"... these Gen-tile-men who wrote Gene-Isis were carrying on the the Owl'd (wise) Theresa-Diction. So, no need to freak out.

Many core-ruptured religions of today likewise have many stark correlations to

Christ-eye-an-knight'e.

[0rangekick]

@gotimeyo if that were the case then Genesis 1:14-15 wouldn't have been written, nor Luke 21:25-27 or Job 38:32 (NIV) "Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs?" or better yet; do a bible search using the term "morning star" (in reference to Venus?) and you'll quickly learn who your god is.

Good Luck with your afterlife....!

[gotimeyo]

@0rangekick

I recognize that God set up the zodiac to illustrate his plan of salvation to all cultures. What I don't accept is the modern interpretation that discards Jesus as just another runner passing the baton. The stars are an allegory of God's plan as presented in the bible, not the other way around.

'light-bringer' was used in two contexts, written in two languages in both the old and new testaments. The first is used to contrast lucifer's first glorious state to his now fallen one...

[gotimeyo]

@gotimeyo

...the second is comparing Jesus' forthcoming has being as bright as the sun. In the first case, it would be apt to make that reference to Venus if you wanted to, as people were often prone to planet worship, but the context of its use describing Jesus is that or the 'literal' morning star. The sun.

I'm no scholar, but please don't assume I don't read my bible.

Also...thank you for not playing silly word games...

[0rangekick]

@gotimeyo firstly you wouldn't admit that the bible is a zodiac and now you are...? Just take a look around you; war, starvation, disease and with every perversity imaginable. Kinda like what the bible teaches eh?

Numbers 31:17 (KJV)

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Dude, you're in a trance - time to WAKE-UP....!

[gotimeyo]

@0rangekick

What I said last week is that the Bible is not a an allegory of astrology. Cherrypicking verses to line up with the zodiac doesn't work because you're left ignoring a lot of other passages and events that don't fit into the theory.

There's a lot that can be said about the Numbers verse you quoted about how the girls wouldn't have been raped and how the boys were honour bound to take revenge on the Israelites when they grew up, but yes, the wages of sin are death.but law is not grace

[Tyrannabudz]

@0rangekick Correct as this is the age of Pisces the fish. This is also why the symbol for Jesus is a fish. Correct again about baphomets and washington. There is a fresco in the capital rotunda where george washington is depicted in the seat of a Baphomet. There is also a statue in washigton d.c. where he is seated just like a Baphomet. Rock on. "We won't get fooled again"

[N1k1mon]

@Jekazol

From what i've learned, there are numerous changes in our abilities caused by certain physical and other dimensional principles manifesting in our world as we move toward 2012 that will cause these changes. Whether or not we normally would or normally could seems to be a non issue at some point in the near future. It may be akin to punctuated equilibrium, a more dramatic shift than possible under normal circumstances.

[2010FuckUTube]

I feel strongly enough about this subject that i couldnt hold back from adding my 2pence worth.

Regardless of what has been said in the past of "the end" by the Maya, Edgar Casey, mother shipton,ect ect ect.......We are destroying ourselves. It is us and our greed which are the problem. Let go of attachment, we own rubbish, and its this rubbish which gives us the illusion of being comfortable.

[ZJhontu1]

@2010FuckUTube Damn well said! Wake the F*&$ Up folks! This is the whole ball game in a couple of sentences with the addition of greed for power that exists as well. They use "divide and conquer" to forward the agendas and we just play EVERY SINGLE PART almost with a fervor! WTF?!? Thanks for the intelligent convers represented here. Peace and love to those who love. Save your Family. Save your Neighbors. Save your Town Save the Republic. Save the World. ONLY LOVE WILL SUCCEED.

[Thyalwaysseek]

@2010FuckUTube That was a great two pence worth....and you rock!

[JimSmithInChiapas]

I just put this video on YouTube. John Major Jenkins really wants you to see this info. It's about how he found out what the Maya calendar was saying.

"Mushroom Cosmogenesis 2012"

[infinitesimotel]

@JimSmithInChiapas Yea checked it out. Its complete bollocks.Thanks. LoL.

[Ghiagovinda]

Nice meeting John in March!

[JEKAZOL]

It hard to have faith in the idea of everybody developing in mind. Daily survival and long term endevours in the modern world do not require it. That's overlooked often. If it's going to happen, it'll start at the top of the money structure and feed down as a forced situation - escalated by a disater. If.

I hope I'm wrong. Particular personality types try to project their concerns on the world too often without seeing it from the other side/s. I like philosophy, my friend couldn't care less...

[archymtln]

thank you

[mrpoppapill]

very interesting "thumbs up"

~mac

[wind0wninja]

2012 at the very least seems an excuse to essentially, party... Which I'm sure it will be treated as such and one which is global in scale.

Mayans reclaiming their sovereignty seems fascinating to me as I have an interest in absolving myself of the Gregorian tax calender.

[09205479428]

@ 12:56 death and rebirth - underworld towards light - positive to negative, all these duality manifestations sounds like we are being invoked to travel as particles in waves. The very same construct of the subatomic particles that creates what we percieve as reality. By doing so, we conserve energy ( thermodynmics law). Its coming clear that consciousness is the driving force of reality. An important element in the grand unification theory. fascinating.

[euripideesshreds]

Right on Graham, and John... thanks so much you guys for all you do. I love the way you both add so much dignity to the field of the studies you both study. I love keeping up with all of it. Keep it up and keep posting, please. Thank you both.

[brotherpantichrist]

bravo, john tells it like he knows it, ya gotta love that!

[brydonjesse]

the i ching, po pa vu, torah ,etc etc etc

[daniel2216]

Love your work Mr. Hancock, but I also agree - for your next interview also have a microphone on yourself, or have yourself on camera as well. It's a bit hard to hear your great questions.

[BergenCafe]

shift of ages from kali yug to aquarius, from the age of suffering to the golden age. the clock starts at 1 again and goes thru the 12 zodiac signs.

[nibler887]

Great interview, but please Mr Hancock project your questions to him on screen or talk harder

[Griminal]

I enjoyed this, thanks for the upload.

[zapproowsdower]

It's refreshing to see someone who truly knows what they are talking about, when discussing theories about 2012. there's a lot of wack out there.

PS, Hancock should write a follow-up to Fingerprints of the Gods =) There have been so many new developments since it was written, he could write an entire new book.