Hey talking girl , About hunger on emergency-when nothing to eat : Eat your pets ( dog , cat , any living animal !) ......stay healthy , that's normal in Asia , ( a secret : dog-meat makes you horny , maybe I make a joke , I 'm not sure !)
About obesity : That 's " business as usual" in America , nobody to blame , think positive , girl !
Some big fat chics look sexy too ! ( turn the light off, please !)
I'm sorry, but this girl has obviously been involved with the UN too long. Ten minutes of lecture that tells us nothing new, and ends with a bullet-point list if doubespeak action items and a new non-profit program? Ugh.
Change peoples behavior by pricing unwanted behavior out of reach. I'm so tired of hearing the same tired communistic anti-human diatribes from the usual suspects of liberal social engineering. People in Africa are hungry because they have people like Mugabe dispossessing the white farmers (who were feeding everyone) of their farms and lives.
Make apples cheaper, if you want me to eat more. That I will support.
You can go both ways, The places that are insecure are hungry, or the places that are hungry are insecure, teens are depressed because they drink, or they drink because they are depressed. Who knows.
Postulates some interesting possibilities and hopeful solutions. As glib, hurried & idealistic her perspective seems, these are vital aspects to 'sell' {distribute} the solution concept/s to those who lack the forethought or ingenuity to concieve of it themselves.
The average 1st world lifestyle is far removed from the realities of ecosystem and supports ignorance and gluttony... however we continue to witness the consequences of our choices daily.
@roidroid Actually I do mean Brawndo even though I was quoting Powerthirst. Also Powerthirst is the parody and not Brawndo. Brawndo is from a movie called Idiocracy. Just sayin...
@roidroid When someone decided to market Idiocracy's Brawndo drink in real life, Picnicface was commissioned to make the ads for it in the same style as their Powerthirst video.
I mean hell if you gave out vegetables for free McDonalds would still make a profit. Carrots and peas don't satisfy our natural hunger drive like a fat juicy steak. Fat, salt, sugar, the magical combination. Might as well be natural cocaine. Regardless, there's very little we can do. We can't change our biology. We might as well just make everyone fat and the people that are smart enough to eat healthy will survive. Everyone else gets an early death.
The only reason the global food system is broken is because that's what people want. People don't want carrots, they want cheeseburgers. It's biology. The huge agra companies partially exist because there is such a demand for extremely cheap meat and dairy. They might be the pusher, but we're definitely the users. There is a local market once a week in my town, and many people go. But when I see the amount of people in the wendys drivethrough, it far outpaces the farmers market
@Icix1 You're right. That was a cold, cruel remark and I hope nobody ever thinks that you're such an inconvenience that you should die. Humans evolved compassion for a reason, you know.
Except you know nothing about evolution. Compassion was a side effect of our evolutionary process, not some end goal or specific reason. We learned how to kill far better than anything else
@Icix1Nah, crocodiles know how to kill better than anything else. We're good at changing things to suit what we see as our best interest, often ruthlessly. The reason compassion, a complex emotion that can easily become a double-edged sword, evolved is that curing the sick and wounded keeps them from dying, which is good for pack animals w/o natural weapons or defenses and whose females rarely give birth to more than one baby a yr. Also linked to reciprocity, which other animals use, too.
Don't think of killing power in terms of sheer strength, but how often and the reasons. We are better killers than crocodiles because we have such a xenophobic drive. Crocodiles cannot wipe out entire species or commit genocidal acts. Also, you kinda proved my point. Compassion is a selfish emotion, because in the end it's about self preservation. You help people because you actually want to look out for yourself down the road so you could pass down your genes.
@Icix1 Ah, syntax difficulty. I meant "X kills better than it does anything else", not "X kills better than other things can". Anyway, humans aren't the only ones that have thoughtlessly driven whole species to extinction, we've just been very efficient at it lately. And ants try to genocidally eliminate other colonies all the time. The selfishness of compassion is debatable and irrelevant. Compassion is good for the group, but not necessarily for the individual.
@shiftyjake Oh I see I misinterpreted what you meant. You bring up a good point and I would say that while compassion can be for good, this is a byproduct of an inherently selfish act. Compassion can be just as bad for the group as it can be good. Giving first aid to a serial killer, for example. I think compassion is a evolutionary technique of hedging bets. You hope whoever you're helping will help you pass on your genes and not kill you. It doesn't make sense to kill EVERYONE of your species.
@Icix1 Like I said, if all acts are selfish b/c they *might eventually* benefit you, then the word means nothing. When most people say "selfish" they mean shortsightedly and/or unthinkingly putting your own interests above those of others. Compassion forces you to think about others' experiences, wants and needs and is therefore not selfish. When you experience compassion, you remove yourself from the "self" into the group. "Groupish", maybe. Selfish? No.
@Icix1 The danger of compassion isn't the serial killer. They are extremely rare. (Btw, most serial killers experienced a marked lack of compassion in their formative childhood years.) The danger is that you will "waste" hard-won food and effort on someone who never recovers, which is still the problem we face right now. It's also not about *your* genes, but the genes of the entire population. Evolution deals in populations, not individuals.
@Icix1 But you do raise an interesting point about selfishness. Can instinctual responses be selfish? If that's the case, it would be hard to claim that anything is *not* selfish b/c evolution pushes us to be instinctually "selfish" for the species. If that's so, then the label is meaningless, and there's no point bringing it up. But "selfish" usually means when one puts oneself above the good of others, so that if you act for the good of the group, you are not selfish.
Isn't it a bit condescending to tinker in African affairs? The west didn't require an external agency to reach agricultural surplus, so why does Africa require this? Doesn't it just tell Africa to wait for the wise west to fix their problems for them?
Ellen Gustafson, there are too many people full stop. hungry or fat, both are a drain on the planet in large numbers. We are facing an apocolypse unless those civil liberty lunatics face facts. A one/two child policy is a small price to pay compared to the potential consequences. EASTER ISLAND!!! look at the planet earth and our planet is an island too in the vastness of the cosmic ocean. The same will happen on a global scale and people will start eating each other.
What about SE asia where poverty levels have dropped dramatically from 30 years ago? If you want to combat hunger, look at what economic models well fed countries are moving to or have been using. I can't help but be cynical about advocacy groups that ignore, or worse yet, shun free market systems. The west didn't outgrow centuries of sustenance farming by relying on advocacy groups.
You want to feed Haiti? Teach the people to demand a western-style free market economy.
@rbairos1 No, the West didn't do it with advocacy groups. We did it (after Rome fell) first with feudalism and it's gradual improvements in technology, and then with colonialism because why do it yourself when you can make other people do it for you at gunpoint? But others did it first, like the Chinese, the Indians, the Persians...
@shiftyjake If you think Colonialism is an important part of agricultural independence in Western nations, explain most of Europe and Canada, not to mention how most colonies were dropped as they were a net economic drain. Secondly, China and India had severe levels of poverty up until recent times. Im not exactly sure which world history you're referring to?
@rbairos1 I understood you to be talking about moving away from subsistence agriculture to complex trade economies. I'm talking about the history where many cultures around the world developed into wealthy, and powerful civilizations before the West did. China, India and so on, were very wealthy and powerful states in different periods of history, developing concepts like coinage, writing, and social service before the Romans installed their indoor plumbing.
@rbairos1 ... but I guess my main point was that none of those other civilizations did it with capitalism (not even ours) and being dogmatic about it may blind us to other systems (or blended systems) that work better in different settings and with different problems and in conjunction with other cultures' values.
@rbairos1 Lay off the Rand and make sure you read your Hayek before asking for a quick fix. Effective free markets require time to build up the habits and values that make them possible. Among those habits are advocacy groups, charities, and religious groups that help to act as non-government safety security nets.
@hasatum Who's asking for a quick fix? How many decades have many African nations insisted on anti-capitalist regimes? How many billions of dollars have been spent *yearly* maintaining such systems? How many sweeping reforms have been recently passed that would be considered outright racist in South Africa, Zimbabwe and other nations? You think demanding rule of law, non-race based legislation, and enforcement of decentralized markets is radical or untested?
@rbairos1 Perhaps it was unintentional, but I think you did when you suggested that people demand their government give them a free market. Free markets cannot be given. They are forged out of long toil of the people. They rely on learned responsibility, accountability, and innovation that are all eroded under a life without freedom. I think you are right, however, to suggest that they insist on rule of law and I assume that is what you meant by enforcement of markets.
@hasatum Its my understanding a life of relative social freedom is synonymous with a life of relative economic freedom, and strong rule of law protecting them. I think we're in agreement on many points. Cheers.
Yeah sure, well fed countries with enormous percentage of obesity and a even bigger contrast with all the world and within the country itself. Free Market is the CAUSE of Haiti beeing poor. That's the motor of our economy, you take away the resources by apropiating them and then you give people jobs and make them slaves, but sure! you are the good guy! DUH
@xxgigphasexx Haiti isn't the "motor" of western society. Its output is relatively non-existent to North American society. The countries North American countries most rely on are the ones with the largest economies. And those, inevitably are the ones that liberalize their markets and adopt western style of economics. Rich countries want rich neighbors. The "Youre rich cuz we're poor" argument falls apart under close scrutiny.
@rbairos1 I didn't say Haiti is the motor, I said resources, if you didn't saw that, it shouldn't be a surprise that you don't understand the whole concept. Yes, rich countries want rich neighbours, is obvious; still they need resources. have you been to Mexico? Guatemala? even Haiti? why do you think troops are still in Irak? do you think everything will come out from your neighbords backyard? You've got to be blind or so naive to think that.
all the economies based on money and institutions are primitive and unstable, the only thing that will keep demolishing barriers is technology, until we realize we are one and that we don't need properties or money at all. I agree about the advocacy groups, but trying to solve it with the old methods is even more dangerous. We need hydroponics, holistic transportation, genomics; ways to feed all people, real solutions. Not policies or theories within the same stupid system.
@rbairos1 I don't deny we need a free market, but not under money, because the prime aim of money is property and profit, so is unevitable the scarcity and high contrast. All economists, politicians and governments can do is try to solve problems not knowing how to solve them. We need engineers, industrial designers, scientists, psichologists. Not policies, laws or economic theories. Technology will keep developing and knocking stupid barriers and opinions down.
@xxgigphasexx A free market without money is like a language with a vocabulary. Money is simply a unit of trade. What is your concept of a free market without money?? And yes Ive seen 'The Corporation'. It hilights what happens when the free market is *removed* from a society. Government corporatism is not the free market, its the opposite. You need to understand these basic terms if we are to communicate.
@rbairos1 No, it's not. The whole concept is absurd, I'm redefining the term, don't you get it? Obviously it wont be the same! yes money is a unit of trade and thats the point! We dont need properties, trade or price tags because weve got the resources and the technology to make them available; holistic transportation, hydroponic agriculture, genomic manipulation, nanotechnology, etc. We dont need people who think something is better, we need technology that MAKE things better.
@xxgigphasexx You're being very naive (or worse yet) totalitarian if you believe 'trade' is something to be avoided. And yes, in reply to your earlier comment: The free market has very little to do with corporations / government involvement. To be clear: The 'free' in 'free market' refers to freedom from government regulation (ie coercion). A corporation is a *government* created and protected entity. Understand?
@rbairos1 Naive? Totalitarian? That you cant think of it because you cant equate it to any of our present policies doesnt make it naive or totalitarian, its holistic. Its quite as saying dependency and simbiosis; theyre not the same. Free market doesnt have economic intervention from government but it works under the same process of ownership and contract, its all related and all commerce & industry comes from corps. Even you are a corp, just take a look at all your official documents.
@rbairos1 And oh man! Ive gotta be sooo confused!! I thought our economy was based on Commerce, Industry & Labor!! Free market has nothing to do with corporations then I guess.. And obviously government involved is absurd!! Like NAFTA.. I mean I've got bad information I guess.. And oh theres no way Im being sarcasting, dont think that please...
Our economy is primitive and unstable, and it's been showing us that over and over; it was great several years ago. Nationalities and properties now are the scum of earth. Learn to think and devise new ways. Its as easy as growing up or die. And hunger is not the only issue; it will get worse if we dont do something and its not opinions or policies who will make it, but piles of equations, maps, science and engineering.
@xxgigphasexx You claim hunger is getting worse? Worse than what, yesterday? Global hunger has been declining for decades. And no, technology will not cause an egalitarian society, as people will always innovate that new technology to create even more desirable products and services they will trade with others.
@rbairos1 Oh man, youre not even reading what Im saying! I said weve got a lot of issues other than hunger; about hunger, whats going to the skies is contrast. Just go to Guatemala, Mexico or any other here in Latin America; were your slaves, dont you tell me its getting better. And yes, technology is the only mean that can destroy barriers, just as now is possible for me to communicate with you. You dont need to trade anything if youve got what you need, and technology will do that.
@rbairos1 Technology is not only your cellphone; its a pair of glasses, its a car, an oven, a pencil. Yes, now it means profit, but we could have holistic transportation systems, hydroponic agriculture, nanomachines, etc. FOR ALL. It will keep pushing institutions, money and dumbfucks like you. Youre just a part of the inertia. You cant think of new terms, youre like people that couldnt think of a round earth because all they saw was a flat one. OUR SYSTEM DOESNT WORK. GET OVER IT. GROW UP.
@rbairos1 Look up what a Resource Based Economy is, or watch the Zeitgeist Addendum movie. If you still cant grasp what it is that Im trying to say, you just dont belong to these days, you should go back to ancient cultures that used barter, services for money, free markets, nationalities, policies, institutions, etc. We need men of science, not primitive cavemans. Its all that I have to say, Im sick of this convers. If you dont stop assosiating & start to think, youll never get it.
@xxgigphasexx It seems brevity is not your strong point, unlike arrogance. Just because I don't accept your dystopian vision whose ultimate goal is ultimately totalitarian egalitarianism is no reason to get hostile. And yes Ive researched 'resource based economy' and other futurian topics extensively, so your attempt to bully me into accepting your enlightened conclusions with insults is quite ironic. Cheers.
@rbairos1 Jajaj oh man, this is like talking to a religious fanatic. Dystopian? Totalitarian? Egalitarianism? ACCEPT???!!! Its no use for anyone to accept anything, the point is you to think of it, to understand it. You just cant do it, you just equate old terms with it, No you havent, or you wouldve understood this quite before. Our economy system doesnt work, as Ive told you, come visit LatinAmerica anytime you want, youll get very cheap slaves begging for jobs anytime.
@xxgigphasexx If I am like talking to a religious fanatic, than what of you? You speak of a new coming era in which such fundamental aspects of free interaction such as trade will be removed!? I do understand 'Resource Based Economy'. Its Marxist philosophy in which resources are the currency. Its a highly flawed system that basically does much hand waving around "technology" to avoid answering simple questions. Nano assemblers, genetic engineering, etc, etc are all produced (cont)
(cont) on a free market as well, with the added benefit of not removing incentives. What are you offering? We need more housing, so everyone build housing, until such time as the nano-bots will build them for us? That answers nothing. Trade will become obsolete if and only if we become identical beings, internally and externally. You have completely hijacked any future technology as somehow produced soley by the Venus project. Sorry, thats simplly wrong. Im happy to discuss this at length.
all it can do is expand our abilities and free us from a certain task
8- No, TVP is just the proposal, you havent even taken the time to deepen into it
9-It can be appplied to anything, look at what a complex system, non linear analysis and numerical analysis are, it can be applied to any social issue as well. Nanotech is developing, but the frontiers are infinite. If you dont know quantum mechanics then learn it the hard way. TVP doesnt say it, science does and it can be done NOW.
Seriously xxigphasexx. TVP is showcased in a sequel to the universally discredited Zeitgeist film which blends fact + fiction with less regard than a Michael Moore film. What does Quantum Mechanics have to do with political systems? Throwing scientific concepts such as QM around like the psychics doesn't strengthen Resource Based economic theory or TVP one iota. Who controls resource allocation in your utopia?
2-Are you really following me? Didnt you tell that tech is meant to be just a product? Thats what it have to do with political systems.
3-Do you know what data mining is? AGAIN, Complex Systems? I cant explain it all to you, go to college or something.
Man youve got to go to take some basic programming, physics and biology lessons, before saying something is absurd, saying TVP avoid answers and keep labeling it as an utopia
@xxgigphasexx Is your only method of promoting your technocratic communist utopia, is to throw out a smorgasborg of scientific jargon in some silly attempt to intimidate its critics? You have no idea what my educational background is, so I wont play into your silly ad hominens. Its quite tiring really. You want to talk about the specifics of a resource based economy or you just want to produce a laundry list of irrelevant academic topics?
Man, the specifics are tech & science, you asked for it, and now you tell me Im being fancy or something? If you dont know what data mining is, complex systems, non friction transportation etc, then look for it, thats all Ive said, before you say it is a "technocratic communist utopia". There is no subjective thinking because there is process, I dont care what your educational background is, but if you have one, then devise, think, create new ways
@xxgigphasexx Heres some more topics for you to pretend directly support TVP: non-planar geometry, advanced heat flow analysis, micro gravity waves, non deterministic computing. Etc. etc. Its fun pretending to be an expert on so many subjects isnt it?
I support the bases of RBE and no Im not an expert in all topics, no one is. I never said I was. Non-euclidian geometry is old (I know you didnt learned it in hoghschool), with advanced heat flow I guess you wanted to say thermodynamics, micro gravity waves are principles of quantum mechanics and deterministic computing is a first year subject in my degree man, it uses symbolic logics and also is old. These are just principles and all lead to solutions, not opinions.
And please, If youre going to reply, try to keep track, Im tired of repeating things over and over again, I even tried to put it in a number list though I guess it didnt work. And really, if you will keep labeling, equating to old terms and condemning because you dont know the principles, just leave it that way, keep your ideas, I can assure you that science and tech delevopment wont stop. Just like now Im able to communicate with you that far away, forward cant be stopped.
@xxgigphasexx The most annoying part of this exchange is how you keep writing me off as some uneducated caveman stuck in the past against technological progress, simply because I don't hold much (any) credibility to Resource Based Economy / The Venus Project / Zeitgest. Of course technology + science will progress. This has nothing to do with the economic viability of RBE. Feel free to PM me and we can have a much more thorough discussion, instead of trading barbs..
@rbairos1 If you wouldve just stop labeling, equating or condemning, you wouldnt have been exposed as a caveman. Its not that you hold it or not, that is useless. Man, you cant even keep track! Yes it has ALL to do with RBE because it is based on tech & the scientific method. You cant see its credibility 'cuz you dont know the basic principles. You just cant see beyond your flat earth because you dont know the math to see a round one.
@xxgigphasexx . Yes obviously its all my my inability to see because of my limited math skills and flat earth mentality. It has nothing at all to do with how the Zeitgeist films have been thoroughly debunked many times over by credible skeptic organizations, nor how there are serious economic flaws with RBE and its strong analogs to marxism claims. Thanks for enlightening me.
@rbairos1 Yes it has all to do, because you cant think for yourself. The Zeitgeist films are the personal expression of Peter Joseph, and sure, there will be millions of people who will claim something to be false and other million to be true, so what? Tell me what the flaws are. And man, AGAIN, stop equating, thats the main fucking problem! NO ITS NOT MARXIST, NOR SOCIALIST NOR COMMUNIST! There is no room for reason if you keep labeling.
@xxgigphasexx There are countless sources listing the historical fallacies it makes in the Horus/Christ comparison. The 9/11 conspiracy is beyond strained. And the monetary system, though I sympathize, is not immune from distortion either. As for RBE and communism: RBE removes ownership of the fruits of one's labour and places it into the hands of some collective. Its communism repackaged for a new tech-hungry generation. Its myopic to think automation will ever eliminate trade. Kumbayah
@rbairos1 Youre not keeping track again jajaj, I said Zeitgeist is just the Josephs expression. And no, since in a RBE the only labor you can do is scientific and technical contribution; there is no COMMON labor, just resources, since there is abundance by technological means (which you dont know).
Whoa yeah I'm blind dude! Just as now it is possible for us to hold this useless conv. the barriers will keep falling, I guess this conv is just in my mind! bah! you were just getting funny!
@xxgigphasexx RBE holds that free market and profit are based on scarcity, therefore efficiency and abundance can never be achieved. If that is the case, then how is it that we are communicating via youtube and not carrier pidgeon?
Yes it does, you cant tell it doesnt, youre now just protecting yourself and you know it.
We are communicating via youtube when I could have your hologram and have a real discussion, or travel to meet you at 4000mph. What we have now is outdated tech, made to be broken due to profit, but as I told, its development cant be stopped; we could have the best and ultimate tech with the best materials NOW, but you just dont know how, as Ive said, go get a book or something.
Really, its not a personal issue, something is very wrong, just go out and youll see it. RBE is not fixed, it keeps transcending and will never be perfect, no model can ever be perfect. Old methods just dont work, as simply as that. Dont wanna be called a caveman and still dont sympathize RBE? Well then go & devise new ways or as Ive said, go back in time when barter, trade, nations and labor were good models and you dont needed to know anything about science or tech.
@xxgigphasexx RBE (which demonizes the free market) is credible, because even though technology has been accelerating since the protection of free markets, and directly correlates to an areas economic freedom index, its not as advanced as what an RBE society would allow..
@xxgigphasexx Just rewatching Zeitgeist Addendum Venus Project. Man alive, is it dishonest. It completely ignores the drastically falling rates of global poverty and merely states their current level as evidence of a failed system. You would think it relevant information what direction things are moving in, and what the state of humanity was prior to free market enterprise.
@xxgigphasexx RBE also assumes the 'transition' period to some ill defined state called 'abundance' is finite. ie. When society reaches level X through automation, it will want not. Peoples desires will be satiated. Trade will be irrelevant once nanotech can build each person a modular home, etc. Bullcaca. Unless people will be fundamentally rewired to stop achieving, we will always trade and resources will always be scarce.
@xxgigphasexx Sorry to question your faith. Im sure its not easy living under such a large corrupt/socialist statist environment that feels compelled to demonize parts of the world that recognize the dignity and importance of free markets. Cheers.
@xxgigphasexx If its any consolation, the only difference between your nation and every other one on earth is a matter of degree, not kind. Do not assume Im some type of statist. And I do share many of the same goals and concerns as TVP, however their encompassing solution is downright anti-human and derivative of earlier communist agrarian discussions ;)
Consolation?! JAJAJ dude your terms are getting worse! I still think youre an equating, labeling and caveman dumbfuck, but that changes anything.
Its not downright antihuman just because you didnt took a science course on college and you dont get it. mmm derivative maybe, nothing evolves alone. youre progressing dude!
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If you share the goals and concerns then devise new ways; cuz your stupid and primitive ideas are fucking the world real bad. As Ive told you, our economies pretty much agree
@xxgigphasexx (In case its not obvious to you, Im ignoring ever attack you make on my alleged educational background ;) Not sure whats more entertaining your repetitive ad-hominems or watching TVP's hijacking of all historical technological progress as somehow antithetical to a free market. Let me save you some trouble, and reply for you as you would: "oo youre a caveman. oo take a trigonometry course. oo TVP is responsible for the creation of the wheel.." You're welcome.
Seriously, keep your ideas for you and all the ones who give you thumbs up. Human history is just a litany of failures and your outdated way of thinking will not be the exception. Its not a matter of opinions, go and do the math or keep barking.
@xxgigphasexx RBE: Saying eliminating currency will eliminate poverty since people need currency to trade for goods and values, is like saying eliminating communication will eliminate arguments. Watching the doc reminds me of my 5th grade teacher telling us G.E has the secret patent for a 50 year light bulb but keeps it hidden to increase sales. Yet somehow in the free market, services go up while prices continue to go down... Sorry.. its basic premise is idiotic.
really dude, keep barking. AGAIN, its hard to be a man when you cant see beyond the flat earth cuz youn dont know the math of a round one, that is your new favourite analogy. I keep repeating cuz you cant get it once!
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If youve still got time, search a good programming course, not even a full science one, you can pretty much deduce many principles by having good abstraction. Then we can talk.
really dude, keep barking. AGAIN, its hard to be a man when you cant see beyond the flat earth cuz youn dont know the math of a round one, that is your new favourite analogy. I keep repeating cuz you cant get it once!
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If youve still got time, search a good programming course, not even a full science one, you can pretty much deduce many principles by having good abstraction. Then we can talk.
@xxgigphasexx I'm still at a loss to understand why you think people who disagree with your zeal for discredited TVP are uneducated buffoons, or lack analytical skills, or lack scientific training, or a technical career, or programming skills.
The arrogance of youth! Maybe next year you'll be telling everyone to take a biology class when they don't accept your epiphanies on Scientology ;)
Dude scientology is a fucking religion, and in its core is not biology. I thought you were progressing. Its the inverse analogy. Its not that you agree or not, its that you cant even understand how its core works, so you deny and label it with terms you know
Really man, Ive gotta go to class, you should do the same, there are so many things that are important. Mine or your opinion is useless.
Dude youre missing it all, Ive told you earlier its not about agreeing... The thing is you cant even understand how it works... and now youre making stupid analogies...
Really man, Ive gotta go to class, you should do the same, there are so many things that are important. Mine or your opinion is useless.
Ive already told you its not about agreeing... Youre messing it all, putting things on me I havent even said and making stupid analogies. Its obvious that you cant understand...
@xxgigphasexx You started this conversation by attacking free market principles, then continued to infer about a dozen times that critics of TVP aren't scientifically literate.. Good luck with your attitude.
2- Marxist? stop labeling! its not socialism nor communism or any other, stop equating!
3-Avoid what answers?
4-Yes, Now theyre produced on a free market? so what? they can be done by any price tag with the best quality
5-Incentive? JA-JA!
6-Look for Contour Crafting. Do you know anything about architecture? engineering? The only limit of tech & science is creativity, I see you aint got any
7-Yes, technology wont do that, tech is just a tool
@xxgigphasexx LatinAmerica is a culture of slave like citizens not because of an overabundance of free market principles, but a lack thereof. Government, not to mention large, corrupted, government It's the antithesis of any free market.
South America has shunned free market principles for decades through populist appeals to the masses. Things have resulted exactly as expected.
Man, Mexico is the 1st USA's cocksucker and goes under the same principles, dont tell me weve shunned free market, we are ruled over the same principles; ownership & contracts. All downtowns are USA like and all suburbs Africa like. Were slaves because we cant compete against all your big industry monopolies; thats your real free market. Governments are always corrupt or in your case puppets, and just like people its not their fault, its wired to be like that.
@rbairos1 Thats your real western economy. The concepts are very far from what I see everyday. Free Market is outdated, dangerous and pernicious as any other that has within the same primitive nucleus. We are not primitive anymore, just look at these TED science & tech talks; we could solve anything now without stupid regimentations and policies. Its not an issue of opinions, but an issue of science, of a process, of really knowing whats right, not just believing it. Grow up or keep dying.
Can I recommend you a documentary titled "The Corporation"? I mean your reasons seem to me just so passed out... Free market & our whole system was great 10 or 20 years ago. Not anymore. what do you think that wall street does everyday? what do you think that happens with all the resources they buy at the cheapest costs? Really, your way of thinking is dangerous and that people gives you thumbs up is even worse. Just take a look around, something is very wrong.
Whatever happened to the concept of not having kids if you can not afford to feed them?
If these retarded people in retarded cultures (even in the US) can understand NOT to have kids unless you can properly parent them the entire world would be so much better.
...new concept is fine as long as it stops raising my taxes. I am tired of having more new concepts that keep amounting to raising my taxes to provide more handouts to losers and their offspring.
@zeb120 I'm gonna guess you're about 12 years old if that, there's no way an adult would act like such a tit. This women is trying to fix the global problem of obesity and hunger. She's smarter than you for sure, don't be angry just because you couldn't understand her big words. If there is a god he would have made sure you were never even born. So basically, STFU, GTFO, and grow up; you're clogging up TED with your verbal diarrhoea .
As is sadly typical of TED, she's so intent on seeming clever by tying a million things with a vague "we can do it!" that she misses any actual understanding.
It's NOT the same problem. People are starving because they lack access to the "evil corporate" system that has SAVED the rest of us from starvation. It provides us with exactly what we want. The reason people are obese is because we don't want what's healthy. (We've evolved to seek calorically dense foods.) Totally different problem.
@notme222 I should correct myself - that "evil corporate" sarcasm was a petty response to a previous comment. It's not what I meant and I shouldn't have said it. I'm pro-market not pro-corp, and therefore no friend to a subsidy-taking corporation. It's the market system I should properly credit for building our agriculture capacity, and only to the extent that corporations follow that do they have value.
@RealFreeMoneyOnline I actually thought she explained quite well the fact that it is not the eating habits of the people causing most of the obesity in the developed world rather the produce itself and the fact that giant corporations are raping society. A great explanation of this can be found in the documentary "Food Inc." which shows where people in the US (and everywhere they export to) get their food.
We're trying to make more and more complex solutions, turning to organizations, institutions, etc. I really think the effort is great, but there are bigger underlying problems behind alimentation issues. What about the monetary system? Capitalism? Profit?.. It's like if there we're just cutting problems instead of ripping 'em from their very core. If I gotta poison everyone for me and my family to survive, hell that I would do it! just like the food & every other industry does today.
@kimikittykitty67 What you say is true, but my perspective is different because I live in a country in which fast food are not available as easy as in the US (I live in both places) In my country there is natural fatty food and there is the same problem than the US, we have obesity and hunger at the same time, diferent circumntances but same problem. What you say is true, but I think the problem is more complex than that. I guess education at school would be a good idea, but thats me.
Important issue, very impassioned and full of hope, but thin on information & solutions. Advice: use smaller words, better graphs, and tie it all into a human story.
You should find a way to modernize or make production of goods easier in these towns. They already know how to survive; providing them with those means would do wonders.
@fleshmob, you stupid little douche. she's just one person and is doing the best she can, you you expect her to solve world hunger or reduce the exploitation caused by foreign politics herself? well at least she's helping feed them to provide enough nutrients for the children to grow mentally and physically. she's responsible for providing them nutrition to grow and learn, she's no teacher, she's just FEEDING. TEACHING is someone else's job.
And just feeding people ain't gonna solve the underlying problems. People breed like rabbits and will continue to grow beyond what the land can actually sustain.
@Phyrexious They breed like rabbits because most of their children die, people in India have 8 kids because 4 of them usually die, and they need someone to work to feed them, which they can even do because we pay them next to nothing in sweat shops that they work 18 hours a day. If people were educated and cared for with enough resources to just live, they would only have one, maybe two children, and thats a fact.
Of yes, IF they were educated... The problem is, they aren't. Just feeding them isn't gonna solve anything.
I've got a cruel but fitting comparison with wildlife reservates where there are no natural predators. It's paradise on earth for those animals, till... till they overbreed and there isn't enough food anymore during the winter. The worst think you can do is feed them because next winter you'll have twice the problem.
Land can only sustain a set amount of mouths to feed.
@Phyrexious Check out "Hans Rosling on global population growth". The way to stop the insane population growth is to lower the rate - that is done by creating an environment where that is possible. When there is 60-70% chance of death before puberty for every child in one of the "undeveloped" nations, people have between 6 and 9 children ON AVERAGE. Only when there is security in the survival of the young is there the ability to look around and notice how insane the population growth really is.
@GraphitePen It's never going to happen. People have been talking this crap for decades, and the situation has only gotten steadily worse The fecundity of the lowest classes has always outstripped the ability of mankind at large to accommodate them, and it always will do so. Malthus was right. The global social order will ultimately collapse, the masses will overrun the land like locusts, resulting in global war, famine and pestilence, and a general die off. Have a nice day.
@mranenome You're right, and I notice a rather stupid redundancy in what I wrote earlier. What I had intended was more along the lines of, To overcome the problem of overpopulation there is a need not just to lower the rate of growth but to reverse it (for the point at which we find ourselves). But the real question, I think, is can human society sustain itself with no growth? In a world where even communist societies are capitalists, this requires a complete overhaul of the world's economy.
@GraphitePen Yeah that's exactly the problem right there. I can't imagine how people will ever grapple with that. Maybe they'll figure out a way, that would be great.
@mranenome Yes Malthus was a famous anti-capitalist. And was noteworthy for being demonstrably wrong even in his day. Much moreso now.
In the same essay that coined "dismal science," Malthus stated that black people are better off as slaves because they're not smart enough to care for themselves. I strongly suggest you learn more about what he actually said before you go around endorsing him. Thomas Malthus was wrong then, he's wrong now, and he'll be more wrong 100 years from now.
@notme222 The essay that coined "dismal science," in which various derogatory things are said about black people, was written by Thomas Carlyle, not Thomas Robert Malthus. Malthus isn't mentioned or quoted in it. I figure you're trolling, but anyone interested should look it up.
@mranenome Shoot, you're right. I conflated the names. (I'd be more appreciative of the correction if you hadn't resorted to calling "troll!" when someone disagrees with you.)
Nevertheless, Carlyle was undoubtedly Malthusian, and Malthus (I'm correct this time) clearly endorsed central government control and population control specifically for poor people, making Carlyle's view not a stretch. But they are different and you could be a Malthusian without supporting Carlyle, fair enough.
There is no hunger, there are just parts of the world that have TOO MANY PEOPLE in relation to the level of civilization and what the environment can support.
Want to end world hunger? Send them birth control and books, not food.
@Phyrexious no, when food and vaccines proliferate in a society, their birth rate plummets to 2 or less children per family. Many 'developed' nations are shrinking in population, the reason why it still looks like their population increases is due to immigration into the country from outside. One of the principle reasons why organizations like the Gates put so much stake in vaccines and extending life expectancy is because it simultaneously manifests a population control on the planet.
Having children is hard work. When people are more comfortable in their lifestyle and chances of survival, they naturally have less children. This is the trend we're seeing in west and eastern countries.
She's so stupid it's not even funny lol. Love hat energy though
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Hey talking girl , About hunger on emergency-when nothing to eat : Eat your pets ( dog , cat , any living animal !) ......stay healthy , that's normal in Asia , ( a secret : dog-meat makes you horny , maybe I make a joke , I 'm not sure !)
About obesity : That 's " business as usual" in America , nobody to blame , think positive , girl !
Some big fat chics look sexy too ! ( turn the light off, please !)
huynhminhtri 2 months ago
Why is everyone complaining that she's talking too fast? I think this is a fantastic speed. Try sitting through one of my biochemistry lectures!
Sk8ynat 3 months ago
She managed to fit a one hour lesson in under ten minutes
- faster than a supercar!!!!!!!!!
Nster101 4 months ago
terrible speaker
sweYoda2 10 months ago
20 min lesson in under 10 minutes...cool. maybe she can double her speed next time and just lose everybody.
rezek71 1 year ago 4
I'm sorry, but this girl has obviously been involved with the UN too long. Ten minutes of lecture that tells us nothing new, and ends with a bullet-point list if doubespeak action items and a new non-profit program? Ugh.
lowercase13 1 year ago
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Concepts Ellen Gustafson does not understand:
Reverse causality.
Spurious correlation.
Feedback loop.
Undercutting the market.
How to breathe between sentences.
BrideauRyan 1 year ago
Concepts Ellen Gustafson does not understand:
Reverse causality.
Spurious correlation.
Feedback loop.
Undercutting the market.
How to breathe between sentences.
BrideauRyan 1 year ago
If she doesn't bring new food on the plate, she certainly raised awareness. I agree with the whole healthier food being cheaper than the junk food.
But MY GOD she needs to SLOW DOWN. Pause, BREATHE!
Amarynthine 1 year ago 2
@Amarynthine
TED cuts out the pauses and stopwords. ;)
Vincentgriezelig 1 year ago
@Amarynthine
I think modern minds are much too slow. Most people used to talk this quickly back in the 1930s.
eXcommunicate1979 1 year ago
@eXcommunicate1979 where?
Amarynthine 1 year ago
@Amarynthine
The U.S. for instance.
eXcommunicate1979 1 year ago
Change peoples behavior by pricing unwanted behavior out of reach. I'm so tired of hearing the same tired communistic anti-human diatribes from the usual suspects of liberal social engineering. People in Africa are hungry because they have people like Mugabe dispossessing the white farmers (who were feeding everyone) of their farms and lives.
Make apples cheaper, if you want me to eat more. That I will support.
NihilistImp 1 year ago
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I'd hit it
Alien5p 1 year ago
You can go both ways, The places that are insecure are hungry, or the places that are hungry are insecure, teens are depressed because they drink, or they drink because they are depressed. Who knows.
MrBlamemeforit 1 year ago
Who's the ditz?
I judges her by the way she spoke but as the talked went on i realized how brilliant she is. I hope I stop judging people by their cover.
her ambition is inspiring!
queenyael 1 year ago
Postulates some interesting possibilities and hopeful solutions. As glib, hurried & idealistic her perspective seems, these are vital aspects to 'sell' {distribute} the solution concept/s to those who lack the forethought or ingenuity to concieve of it themselves.
The average 1st world lifestyle is far removed from the realities of ecosystem and supports ignorance and gluttony... however we continue to witness the consequences of our choices daily.
fLiPpAntMisSCreanT 1 year ago
yes she is annoying, and hot....
pbnunu 1 year ago
uh, guess she never heard of leptin or Metabolic syndrome.
tioedong 1 year ago
I cant believe that in America, soda is cheaper than Milk
RoastLambShanks 1 year ago 11
She must be drinking Brawndo. Mother nature says sloooowwww dooowwwwnnnnn.
Masterphan 1 year ago
@Masterphan you mean Powerthirst.
watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs
but hey whatever, Brawndo is still funny even though it's a knockoff
roidroid 1 year ago
@roidroid Actually I do mean Brawndo even though I was quoting Powerthirst. Also Powerthirst is the parody and not Brawndo. Brawndo is from a movie called Idiocracy. Just sayin...
Masterphan 1 year ago
@roidroid When someone decided to market Idiocracy's Brawndo drink in real life, Picnicface was commissioned to make the ads for it in the same style as their Powerthirst video.
roidroid 1 year ago
I mean hell if you gave out vegetables for free McDonalds would still make a profit. Carrots and peas don't satisfy our natural hunger drive like a fat juicy steak. Fat, salt, sugar, the magical combination. Might as well be natural cocaine. Regardless, there's very little we can do. We can't change our biology. We might as well just make everyone fat and the people that are smart enough to eat healthy will survive. Everyone else gets an early death.
Icix1 1 year ago
The only reason the global food system is broken is because that's what people want. People don't want carrots, they want cheeseburgers. It's biology. The huge agra companies partially exist because there is such a demand for extremely cheap meat and dairy. They might be the pusher, but we're definitely the users. There is a local market once a week in my town, and many people go. But when I see the amount of people in the wendys drivethrough, it far outpaces the farmers market
Icix1 1 year ago
This is going to sound cruel, but I just keep thinking "malthus" during this entire talk.
Let the fat people die and let the starving people die, too many people in this world already.
Icix1 1 year ago
@Icix1 You're right. That was a cold, cruel remark and I hope nobody ever thinks that you're such an inconvenience that you should die. Humans evolved compassion for a reason, you know.
shiftyjake 1 year ago
@shiftyjake
Except you know nothing about evolution. Compassion was a side effect of our evolutionary process, not some end goal or specific reason. We learned how to kill far better than anything else
Icix1 1 year ago
@Icix1Nah, crocodiles know how to kill better than anything else. We're good at changing things to suit what we see as our best interest, often ruthlessly. The reason compassion, a complex emotion that can easily become a double-edged sword, evolved is that curing the sick and wounded keeps them from dying, which is good for pack animals w/o natural weapons or defenses and whose females rarely give birth to more than one baby a yr. Also linked to reciprocity, which other animals use, too.
shiftyjake 1 year ago
@shiftyjake
Don't think of killing power in terms of sheer strength, but how often and the reasons. We are better killers than crocodiles because we have such a xenophobic drive. Crocodiles cannot wipe out entire species or commit genocidal acts. Also, you kinda proved my point. Compassion is a selfish emotion, because in the end it's about self preservation. You help people because you actually want to look out for yourself down the road so you could pass down your genes.
Icix1 1 year ago
@Icix1 Ah, syntax difficulty. I meant "X kills better than it does anything else", not "X kills better than other things can". Anyway, humans aren't the only ones that have thoughtlessly driven whole species to extinction, we've just been very efficient at it lately. And ants try to genocidally eliminate other colonies all the time. The selfishness of compassion is debatable and irrelevant. Compassion is good for the group, but not necessarily for the individual.
shiftyjake 1 year ago
@shiftyjake Oh I see I misinterpreted what you meant. You bring up a good point and I would say that while compassion can be for good, this is a byproduct of an inherently selfish act. Compassion can be just as bad for the group as it can be good. Giving first aid to a serial killer, for example. I think compassion is a evolutionary technique of hedging bets. You hope whoever you're helping will help you pass on your genes and not kill you. It doesn't make sense to kill EVERYONE of your species.
Icix1 1 year ago
@Icix1 Like I said, if all acts are selfish b/c they *might eventually* benefit you, then the word means nothing. When most people say "selfish" they mean shortsightedly and/or unthinkingly putting your own interests above those of others. Compassion forces you to think about others' experiences, wants and needs and is therefore not selfish. When you experience compassion, you remove yourself from the "self" into the group. "Groupish", maybe. Selfish? No.
shiftyjake 1 year ago
@Icix1 The danger of compassion isn't the serial killer. They are extremely rare. (Btw, most serial killers experienced a marked lack of compassion in their formative childhood years.) The danger is that you will "waste" hard-won food and effort on someone who never recovers, which is still the problem we face right now. It's also not about *your* genes, but the genes of the entire population. Evolution deals in populations, not individuals.
shiftyjake 1 year ago
@Icix1 But you do raise an interesting point about selfishness. Can instinctual responses be selfish? If that's the case, it would be hard to claim that anything is *not* selfish b/c evolution pushes us to be instinctually "selfish" for the species. If that's so, then the label is meaningless, and there's no point bringing it up. But "selfish" usually means when one puts oneself above the good of others, so that if you act for the good of the group, you are not selfish.
shiftyjake 1 year ago
Doesn't bifurcated mean they stem from the same source? She uses it to mean "completely separate".
Scottium 1 year ago
Here is a novel solution - how about PARENTS feed their kids and if people can not fee their kids then they NOT have kids.
I live in LA and schools are becoming more and more responsible for tackling the roles the PARENTS traditionally needed to fulfill.
This is the biggest shame and narcissistic do-gooders like the blonde only exacerbate the issue (although I would like to bang her)
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
I might not agree with most of her ideas, but I have to say that she did some good in this world.
Misspri91 1 year ago
Isn't it a bit condescending to tinker in African affairs? The west didn't require an external agency to reach agricultural surplus, so why does Africa require this? Doesn't it just tell Africa to wait for the wise west to fix their problems for them?
bluebeard2 1 year ago
Some good points. I may have heard a lot more had she spoken a little slowly.
akshatrathi294 1 year ago
Helping people 101:
Step 1: learn economics
Step 2: apply what you learned
Done.
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
Ellen Gustafson, there are too many people full stop. hungry or fat, both are a drain on the planet in large numbers. We are facing an apocolypse unless those civil liberty lunatics face facts. A one/two child policy is a small price to pay compared to the potential consequences. EASTER ISLAND!!! look at the planet earth and our planet is an island too in the vastness of the cosmic ocean. The same will happen on a global scale and people will start eating each other.
beastinblack 1 year ago
once lake mead and lake powel dry up american agriculture will implode
beastinblack 1 year ago
What about SE asia where poverty levels have dropped dramatically from 30 years ago? If you want to combat hunger, look at what economic models well fed countries are moving to or have been using. I can't help but be cynical about advocacy groups that ignore, or worse yet, shun free market systems. The west didn't outgrow centuries of sustenance farming by relying on advocacy groups.
You want to feed Haiti? Teach the people to demand a western-style free market economy.
rbairos1 1 year ago 4
@rbairos1 No, the West didn't do it with advocacy groups. We did it (after Rome fell) first with feudalism and it's gradual improvements in technology, and then with colonialism because why do it yourself when you can make other people do it for you at gunpoint? But others did it first, like the Chinese, the Indians, the Persians...
Anyway, who said anything about free markets?
shiftyjake 1 year ago
@shiftyjake If you think Colonialism is an important part of agricultural independence in Western nations, explain most of Europe and Canada, not to mention how most colonies were dropped as they were a net economic drain. Secondly, China and India had severe levels of poverty up until recent times. Im not exactly sure which world history you're referring to?
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1 I understood you to be talking about moving away from subsistence agriculture to complex trade economies. I'm talking about the history where many cultures around the world developed into wealthy, and powerful civilizations before the West did. China, India and so on, were very wealthy and powerful states in different periods of history, developing concepts like coinage, writing, and social service before the Romans installed their indoor plumbing.
shiftyjake 1 year ago
@rbairos1 ... but I guess my main point was that none of those other civilizations did it with capitalism (not even ours) and being dogmatic about it may blind us to other systems (or blended systems) that work better in different settings and with different problems and in conjunction with other cultures' values.
shiftyjake 1 year ago
@rbairos1 Lay off the Rand and make sure you read your Hayek before asking for a quick fix. Effective free markets require time to build up the habits and values that make them possible. Among those habits are advocacy groups, charities, and religious groups that help to act as non-government safety security nets.
hasatum 1 year ago
@hasatum Who's asking for a quick fix? How many decades have many African nations insisted on anti-capitalist regimes? How many billions of dollars have been spent *yearly* maintaining such systems? How many sweeping reforms have been recently passed that would be considered outright racist in South Africa, Zimbabwe and other nations? You think demanding rule of law, non-race based legislation, and enforcement of decentralized markets is radical or untested?
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1 Perhaps it was unintentional, but I think you did when you suggested that people demand their government give them a free market. Free markets cannot be given. They are forged out of long toil of the people. They rely on learned responsibility, accountability, and innovation that are all eroded under a life without freedom. I think you are right, however, to suggest that they insist on rule of law and I assume that is what you meant by enforcement of markets.
hasatum 1 year ago
@hasatum Its my understanding a life of relative social freedom is synonymous with a life of relative economic freedom, and strong rule of law protecting them. I think we're in agreement on many points. Cheers.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1
Yeah sure, well fed countries with enormous percentage of obesity and a even bigger contrast with all the world and within the country itself. Free Market is the CAUSE of Haiti beeing poor. That's the motor of our economy, you take away the resources by apropiating them and then you give people jobs and make them slaves, but sure! you are the good guy! DUH
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx Haiti isn't the "motor" of western society. Its output is relatively non-existent to North American society. The countries North American countries most rely on are the ones with the largest economies. And those, inevitably are the ones that liberalize their markets and adopt western style of economics. Rich countries want rich neighbors. The "Youre rich cuz we're poor" argument falls apart under close scrutiny.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1 I didn't say Haiti is the motor, I said resources, if you didn't saw that, it shouldn't be a surprise that you don't understand the whole concept. Yes, rich countries want rich neighbours, is obvious; still they need resources. have you been to Mexico? Guatemala? even Haiti? why do you think troops are still in Irak? do you think everything will come out from your neighbords backyard? You've got to be blind or so naive to think that.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@rbairos1
all the economies based on money and institutions are primitive and unstable, the only thing that will keep demolishing barriers is technology, until we realize we are one and that we don't need properties or money at all. I agree about the advocacy groups, but trying to solve it with the old methods is even more dangerous. We need hydroponics, holistic transportation, genomics; ways to feed all people, real solutions. Not policies or theories within the same stupid system.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@rbairos1 I don't deny we need a free market, but not under money, because the prime aim of money is property and profit, so is unevitable the scarcity and high contrast. All economists, politicians and governments can do is try to solve problems not knowing how to solve them. We need engineers, industrial designers, scientists, psichologists. Not policies, laws or economic theories. Technology will keep developing and knocking stupid barriers and opinions down.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx A free market without money is like a language with a vocabulary. Money is simply a unit of trade. What is your concept of a free market without money?? And yes Ive seen 'The Corporation'. It hilights what happens when the free market is *removed* from a society. Government corporatism is not the free market, its the opposite. You need to understand these basic terms if we are to communicate.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1 No, it's not. The whole concept is absurd, I'm redefining the term, don't you get it? Obviously it wont be the same! yes money is a unit of trade and thats the point! We dont need properties, trade or price tags because weve got the resources and the technology to make them available; holistic transportation, hydroponic agriculture, genomic manipulation, nanotechnology, etc. We dont need people who think something is better, we need technology that MAKE things better.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx You're being very naive (or worse yet) totalitarian if you believe 'trade' is something to be avoided. And yes, in reply to your earlier comment: The free market has very little to do with corporations / government involvement. To be clear: The 'free' in 'free market' refers to freedom from government regulation (ie coercion). A corporation is a *government* created and protected entity. Understand?
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1 Naive? Totalitarian? That you cant think of it because you cant equate it to any of our present policies doesnt make it naive or totalitarian, its holistic. Its quite as saying dependency and simbiosis; theyre not the same. Free market doesnt have economic intervention from government but it works under the same process of ownership and contract, its all related and all commerce & industry comes from corps. Even you are a corp, just take a look at all your official documents.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@rbairos1 And oh man! Ive gotta be sooo confused!! I thought our economy was based on Commerce, Industry & Labor!! Free market has nothing to do with corporations then I guess.. And obviously government involved is absurd!! Like NAFTA.. I mean I've got bad information I guess.. And oh theres no way Im being sarcasting, dont think that please...
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@rbairos1
Our economy is primitive and unstable, and it's been showing us that over and over; it was great several years ago. Nationalities and properties now are the scum of earth. Learn to think and devise new ways. Its as easy as growing up or die. And hunger is not the only issue; it will get worse if we dont do something and its not opinions or policies who will make it, but piles of equations, maps, science and engineering.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx You claim hunger is getting worse? Worse than what, yesterday? Global hunger has been declining for decades. And no, technology will not cause an egalitarian society, as people will always innovate that new technology to create even more desirable products and services they will trade with others.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1 Oh man, youre not even reading what Im saying! I said weve got a lot of issues other than hunger; about hunger, whats going to the skies is contrast. Just go to Guatemala, Mexico or any other here in Latin America; were your slaves, dont you tell me its getting better. And yes, technology is the only mean that can destroy barriers, just as now is possible for me to communicate with you. You dont need to trade anything if youve got what you need, and technology will do that.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@rbairos1 Technology is not only your cellphone; its a pair of glasses, its a car, an oven, a pencil. Yes, now it means profit, but we could have holistic transportation systems, hydroponic agriculture, nanomachines, etc. FOR ALL. It will keep pushing institutions, money and dumbfucks like you. Youre just a part of the inertia. You cant think of new terms, youre like people that couldnt think of a round earth because all they saw was a flat one. OUR SYSTEM DOESNT WORK. GET OVER IT. GROW UP.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@rbairos1 Look up what a Resource Based Economy is, or watch the Zeitgeist Addendum movie. If you still cant grasp what it is that Im trying to say, you just dont belong to these days, you should go back to ancient cultures that used barter, services for money, free markets, nationalities, policies, institutions, etc. We need men of science, not primitive cavemans. Its all that I have to say, Im sick of this convers. If you dont stop assosiating & start to think, youll never get it.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx It seems brevity is not your strong point, unlike arrogance. Just because I don't accept your dystopian vision whose ultimate goal is ultimately totalitarian egalitarianism is no reason to get hostile. And yes Ive researched 'resource based economy' and other futurian topics extensively, so your attempt to bully me into accepting your enlightened conclusions with insults is quite ironic. Cheers.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1 Jajaj oh man, this is like talking to a religious fanatic. Dystopian? Totalitarian? Egalitarianism? ACCEPT???!!! Its no use for anyone to accept anything, the point is you to think of it, to understand it. You just cant do it, you just equate old terms with it, No you havent, or you wouldve understood this quite before. Our economy system doesnt work, as Ive told you, come visit LatinAmerica anytime you want, youll get very cheap slaves begging for jobs anytime.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx If I am like talking to a religious fanatic, than what of you? You speak of a new coming era in which such fundamental aspects of free interaction such as trade will be removed!? I do understand 'Resource Based Economy'. Its Marxist philosophy in which resources are the currency. Its a highly flawed system that basically does much hand waving around "technology" to avoid answering simple questions. Nano assemblers, genetic engineering, etc, etc are all produced (cont)
rbairos1 1 year ago
(cont) on a free market as well, with the added benefit of not removing incentives. What are you offering? We need more housing, so everyone build housing, until such time as the nano-bots will build them for us? That answers nothing. Trade will become obsolete if and only if we become identical beings, internally and externally. You have completely hijacked any future technology as somehow produced soley by the Venus project. Sorry, thats simplly wrong. Im happy to discuss this at length.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1
all it can do is expand our abilities and free us from a certain task
8- No, TVP is just the proposal, you havent even taken the time to deepen into it
9-It can be appplied to anything, look at what a complex system, non linear analysis and numerical analysis are, it can be applied to any social issue as well. Nanotech is developing, but the frontiers are infinite. If you dont know quantum mechanics then learn it the hard way. TVP doesnt say it, science does and it can be done NOW.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
Seriously xxigphasexx. TVP is showcased in a sequel to the universally discredited Zeitgeist film which blends fact + fiction with less regard than a Michael Moore film. What does Quantum Mechanics have to do with political systems? Throwing scientific concepts such as QM around like the psychics doesn't strengthen Resource Based economic theory or TVP one iota. Who controls resource allocation in your utopia?
rbairos1 1 year ago
1-ok, mention wheres the fiction.
2-Are you really following me? Didnt you tell that tech is meant to be just a product? Thats what it have to do with political systems.
3-Do you know what data mining is? AGAIN, Complex Systems? I cant explain it all to you, go to college or something.
Man youve got to go to take some basic programming, physics and biology lessons, before saying something is absurd, saying TVP avoid answers and keep labeling it as an utopia
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx Is your only method of promoting your technocratic communist utopia, is to throw out a smorgasborg of scientific jargon in some silly attempt to intimidate its critics? You have no idea what my educational background is, so I wont play into your silly ad hominens. Its quite tiring really. You want to talk about the specifics of a resource based economy or you just want to produce a laundry list of irrelevant academic topics?
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1
Man, the specifics are tech & science, you asked for it, and now you tell me Im being fancy or something? If you dont know what data mining is, complex systems, non friction transportation etc, then look for it, thats all Ive said, before you say it is a "technocratic communist utopia". There is no subjective thinking because there is process, I dont care what your educational background is, but if you have one, then devise, think, create new ways
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx Heres some more topics for you to pretend directly support TVP: non-planar geometry, advanced heat flow analysis, micro gravity waves, non deterministic computing. Etc. etc. Its fun pretending to be an expert on so many subjects isnt it?
rbairos1 1 year ago
I support the bases of RBE and no Im not an expert in all topics, no one is. I never said I was. Non-euclidian geometry is old (I know you didnt learned it in hoghschool), with advanced heat flow I guess you wanted to say thermodynamics, micro gravity waves are principles of quantum mechanics and deterministic computing is a first year subject in my degree man, it uses symbolic logics and also is old. These are just principles and all lead to solutions, not opinions.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
And please, If youre going to reply, try to keep track, Im tired of repeating things over and over again, I even tried to put it in a number list though I guess it didnt work. And really, if you will keep labeling, equating to old terms and condemning because you dont know the principles, just leave it that way, keep your ideas, I can assure you that science and tech delevopment wont stop. Just like now Im able to communicate with you that far away, forward cant be stopped.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx The most annoying part of this exchange is how you keep writing me off as some uneducated caveman stuck in the past against technological progress, simply because I don't hold much (any) credibility to Resource Based Economy / The Venus Project / Zeitgest. Of course technology + science will progress. This has nothing to do with the economic viability of RBE. Feel free to PM me and we can have a much more thorough discussion, instead of trading barbs..
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1 If you wouldve just stop labeling, equating or condemning, you wouldnt have been exposed as a caveman. Its not that you hold it or not, that is useless. Man, you cant even keep track! Yes it has ALL to do with RBE because it is based on tech & the scientific method. You cant see its credibility 'cuz you dont know the basic principles. You just cant see beyond your flat earth because you dont know the math to see a round one.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx . Yes obviously its all my my inability to see because of my limited math skills and flat earth mentality. It has nothing at all to do with how the Zeitgeist films have been thoroughly debunked many times over by credible skeptic organizations, nor how there are serious economic flaws with RBE and its strong analogs to marxism claims. Thanks for enlightening me.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1 Yes it has all to do, because you cant think for yourself. The Zeitgeist films are the personal expression of Peter Joseph, and sure, there will be millions of people who will claim something to be false and other million to be true, so what? Tell me what the flaws are. And man, AGAIN, stop equating, thats the main fucking problem! NO ITS NOT MARXIST, NOR SOCIALIST NOR COMMUNIST! There is no room for reason if you keep labeling.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx There are countless sources listing the historical fallacies it makes in the Horus/Christ comparison. The 9/11 conspiracy is beyond strained. And the monetary system, though I sympathize, is not immune from distortion either. As for RBE and communism: RBE removes ownership of the fruits of one's labour and places it into the hands of some collective. Its communism repackaged for a new tech-hungry generation. Its myopic to think automation will ever eliminate trade. Kumbayah
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1 Youre not keeping track again jajaj, I said Zeitgeist is just the Josephs expression. And no, since in a RBE the only labor you can do is scientific and technical contribution; there is no COMMON labor, just resources, since there is abundance by technological means (which you dont know).
Whoa yeah I'm blind dude! Just as now it is possible for us to hold this useless conv. the barriers will keep falling, I guess this conv is just in my mind! bah! you were just getting funny!
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx RBE holds that free market and profit are based on scarcity, therefore efficiency and abundance can never be achieved. If that is the case, then how is it that we are communicating via youtube and not carrier pidgeon?
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1
Yes it does, you cant tell it doesnt, youre now just protecting yourself and you know it.
We are communicating via youtube when I could have your hologram and have a real discussion, or travel to meet you at 4000mph. What we have now is outdated tech, made to be broken due to profit, but as I told, its development cant be stopped; we could have the best and ultimate tech with the best materials NOW, but you just dont know how, as Ive said, go get a book or something.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@rbairos1
Really, its not a personal issue, something is very wrong, just go out and youll see it. RBE is not fixed, it keeps transcending and will never be perfect, no model can ever be perfect. Old methods just dont work, as simply as that. Dont wanna be called a caveman and still dont sympathize RBE? Well then go & devise new ways or as Ive said, go back in time when barter, trade, nations and labor were good models and you dont needed to know anything about science or tech.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx RBE (which demonizes the free market) is credible, because even though technology has been accelerating since the protection of free markets, and directly correlates to an areas economic freedom index, its not as advanced as what an RBE society would allow..
Great proof!
rbairos1 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx Just rewatching Zeitgeist Addendum Venus Project. Man alive, is it dishonest. It completely ignores the drastically falling rates of global poverty and merely states their current level as evidence of a failed system. You would think it relevant information what direction things are moving in, and what the state of humanity was prior to free market enterprise.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx RBE also assumes the 'transition' period to some ill defined state called 'abundance' is finite. ie. When society reaches level X through automation, it will want not. Peoples desires will be satiated. Trade will be irrelevant once nanotech can build each person a modular home, etc. Bullcaca. Unless people will be fundamentally rewired to stop achieving, we will always trade and resources will always be scarce.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1 Dude, Im done, really.
1-Yes tech has been accelerating, not for all but for your free market monopolies, I can assure you your pc is way better than mine.
2-Ive already told you how we live and we uphold the same free market tendencies, you can visit me anytime
3-Keep living in your bubble terms, we will keep dying for you and all those whose mind is as primitive as yours
4-Desires wont ever be satiated, they will be transcended, and they say so; pay fuckin attention
IM DONEEE!
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx Sorry to question your faith. Im sure its not easy living under such a large corrupt/socialist statist environment that feels compelled to demonize parts of the world that recognize the dignity and importance of free markets. Cheers.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1
Faith? Dignity?! Importance?!? JAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJ
I think our economy system pretty much agree with yours...
Now its all about defending your bubble ideas.
sir yes sir!
were corrupt and socialists and we like to slowly die and weve got all the labels you want.
:)
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx If its any consolation, the only difference between your nation and every other one on earth is a matter of degree, not kind. Do not assume Im some type of statist. And I do share many of the same goals and concerns as TVP, however their encompassing solution is downright anti-human and derivative of earlier communist agrarian discussions ;)
rbairos1 1 year ago
Consolation?! JAJAJ dude your terms are getting worse! I still think youre an equating, labeling and caveman dumbfuck, but that changes anything.
Its not downright antihuman just because you didnt took a science course on college and you dont get it. mmm derivative maybe, nothing evolves alone. youre progressing dude!
:)
If you share the goals and concerns then devise new ways; cuz your stupid and primitive ideas are fucking the world real bad. As Ive told you, our economies pretty much agree
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx (In case its not obvious to you, Im ignoring ever attack you make on my alleged educational background ;) Not sure whats more entertaining your repetitive ad-hominems or watching TVP's hijacking of all historical technological progress as somehow antithetical to a free market. Let me save you some trouble, and reply for you as you would: "oo youre a caveman. oo take a trigonometry course. oo TVP is responsible for the creation of the wheel.." You're welcome.
rbairos1 1 year ago
Seriously, keep your ideas for you and all the ones who give you thumbs up. Human history is just a litany of failures and your outdated way of thinking will not be the exception. Its not a matter of opinions, go and do the math or keep barking.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx RBE: Saying eliminating currency will eliminate poverty since people need currency to trade for goods and values, is like saying eliminating communication will eliminate arguments. Watching the doc reminds me of my 5th grade teacher telling us G.E has the secret patent for a 50 year light bulb but keeps it hidden to increase sales. Yet somehow in the free market, services go up while prices continue to go down... Sorry.. its basic premise is idiotic.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1
jjajajajajajaj xD
really dude, keep barking. AGAIN, its hard to be a man when you cant see beyond the flat earth cuz youn dont know the math of a round one, that is your new favourite analogy. I keep repeating cuz you cant get it once!
:)
If youve still got time, search a good programming course, not even a full science one, you can pretty much deduce many principles by having good abstraction. Then we can talk.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx
If I say "I dont need skills X,Y,Z" you'll say "thats why you don't accept TVP principles"
If I say "I have skills X,Y,Z" you'll say "Doesn't show"
Apparently people with good algorithmic and analytical skills accept RBE as non-ridiculous? Spare me that 'Emporer's new Clothes" style of debate.
rbairos1 1 year ago
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@rbairos1
Really man, Ive gotta go to class, you should do the same, there are so many things that are important. Mine or your opinion is useless.
Have fun saying whatever you want to say (Y)
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
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@rbairos1
Really man, Ive gotta go to class, you should do the same, there are so many things that are important. Mine or your opinion is useless.
Have fun saying whatever you want to say (Y)
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
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@rbairos1
jjajajajajajaj xD
really dude, keep barking. AGAIN, its hard to be a man when you cant see beyond the flat earth cuz youn dont know the math of a round one, that is your new favourite analogy. I keep repeating cuz you cant get it once!
:)
If youve still got time, search a good programming course, not even a full science one, you can pretty much deduce many principles by having good abstraction. Then we can talk.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@rbairos1
Really man, Ive gotta go to class, you should do the same, there are so many things that are important. Mine or your opinion is useless.
Have fun saying whatever you want to say (Y)
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx I'm still at a loss to understand why you think people who disagree with your zeal for discredited TVP are uneducated buffoons, or lack analytical skills, or lack scientific training, or a technical career, or programming skills.
The arrogance of youth! Maybe next year you'll be telling everyone to take a biology class when they don't accept your epiphanies on Scientology ;)
rbairos1 1 year ago
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@rbairos1
Dude scientology is a fucking religion, and in its core is not biology. I thought you were progressing. Its the inverse analogy. Its not that you agree or not, its that you cant even understand how its core works, so you deny and label it with terms you know
Really man, Ive gotta go to class, you should do the same, there are so many things that are important. Mine or your opinion is useless.
Have fun saying whatever you want to say (Y)
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
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Dude youre missing it all, Ive told you earlier its not about agreeing... The thing is you cant even understand how it works... and now youre making stupid analogies...
Really man, Ive gotta go to class, you should do the same, there are so many things that are important. Mine or your opinion is useless.
Have fun saying whatever you want to say (Y)
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
Ive already told you its not about agreeing... Youre messing it all, putting things on me I havent even said and making stupid analogies. Its obvious that you cant understand...
Really man, Im running late. HAVE FUN
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx You started this conversation by attacking free market principles, then continued to infer about a dozen times that critics of TVP aren't scientifically literate.. Good luck with your attitude.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1
1- Its not a new era, it can be done now
2- Marxist? stop labeling! its not socialism nor communism or any other, stop equating!
3-Avoid what answers?
4-Yes, Now theyre produced on a free market? so what? they can be done by any price tag with the best quality
5-Incentive? JA-JA!
6-Look for Contour Crafting. Do you know anything about architecture? engineering? The only limit of tech & science is creativity, I see you aint got any
7-Yes, technology wont do that, tech is just a tool
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@xxgigphasexx LatinAmerica is a culture of slave like citizens not because of an overabundance of free market principles, but a lack thereof. Government, not to mention large, corrupted, government It's the antithesis of any free market.
South America has shunned free market principles for decades through populist appeals to the masses. Things have resulted exactly as expected.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@rbairos1
Man, Mexico is the 1st USA's cocksucker and goes under the same principles, dont tell me weve shunned free market, we are ruled over the same principles; ownership & contracts. All downtowns are USA like and all suburbs Africa like. Were slaves because we cant compete against all your big industry monopolies; thats your real free market. Governments are always corrupt or in your case puppets, and just like people its not their fault, its wired to be like that.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@rbairos1 Thats your real western economy. The concepts are very far from what I see everyday. Free Market is outdated, dangerous and pernicious as any other that has within the same primitive nucleus. We are not primitive anymore, just look at these TED science & tech talks; we could solve anything now without stupid regimentations and policies. Its not an issue of opinions, but an issue of science, of a process, of really knowing whats right, not just believing it. Grow up or keep dying.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@rbairos1
Can I recommend you a documentary titled "The Corporation"? I mean your reasons seem to me just so passed out... Free market & our whole system was great 10 or 20 years ago. Not anymore. what do you think that wall street does everyday? what do you think that happens with all the resources they buy at the cheapest costs? Really, your way of thinking is dangerous and that people gives you thumbs up is even worse. Just take a look around, something is very wrong.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
Now THATS an idea worth sharing.
Makes we wanna go eat an apple, or carrot.
Wouldn't it be great if we could balance the world with totalitarian approaches instead of running in trivial circles.
SSuperCuriouss 1 year ago
That was the best TED talk i've seen in ages!
witheringsun 1 year ago
An attractive female? No wonder she got a standing ovation.
Bangell99 1 year ago
Whatever happened to the concept of not having kids if you can not afford to feed them?
If these retarded people in retarded cultures (even in the US) can understand NOT to have kids unless you can properly parent them the entire world would be so much better.
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555 'what ever happened' to a new concept?
shdwdrgn 1 year ago
@shdwdrgn
...new concept is fine as long as it stops raising my taxes. I am tired of having more new concepts that keep amounting to raising my taxes to provide more handouts to losers and their offspring.
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
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i hate this cunt
blonde hair blue eyes n a giant rack
she should do porn and anal porn and leave the hungry assholes alone
the atheist american cunts thinks she is doing so muc good
zeb120 1 year ago
@zeb120 she's doing a lot more than you. that's for sure. what's wrong? did your girlfriend dump you or something - maybe because you're so bitchy?
ruckenfigur 1 year ago
@zeb120 I'm gonna guess you're about 12 years old if that, there's no way an adult would act like such a tit. This women is trying to fix the global problem of obesity and hunger. She's smarter than you for sure, don't be angry just because you couldn't understand her big words. If there is a god he would have made sure you were never even born. So basically, STFU, GTFO, and grow up; you're clogging up TED with your verbal diarrhoea .
witheringsun 1 year ago
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what KIND OF A CUNT IS THIS !!!
thinks she is doin charity
an atheist american cunt
these good deeds dont count unless u believe in a Creator.......
zeb120 1 year ago
As is sadly typical of TED, she's so intent on seeming clever by tying a million things with a vague "we can do it!" that she misses any actual understanding.
It's NOT the same problem. People are starving because they lack access to the "evil corporate" system that has SAVED the rest of us from starvation. It provides us with exactly what we want. The reason people are obese is because we don't want what's healthy. (We've evolved to seek calorically dense foods.) Totally different problem.
notme222 1 year ago
@notme222 I should correct myself - that "evil corporate" sarcasm was a petty response to a previous comment. It's not what I meant and I shouldn't have said it. I'm pro-market not pro-corp, and therefore no friend to a subsidy-taking corporation. It's the market system I should properly credit for building our agriculture capacity, and only to the extent that corporations follow that do they have value.
notme222 1 year ago
This reminds me of my high school days when we had to present random topics as an assignment...I expect better from an adult presenting at TED.
SolutionByEvolution 1 year ago
what is her wpm ? haha
ppsychol 1 year ago
... I tried to watch, really I did.
TAKE A BREATH DAMMIT.
amozoness6 1 year ago
I'm a bit of a porker and this makes me feel very guilty.
Morriusvids 1 year ago
No situation is as fucked up as it can possibly be, until some idiot gets done trying to fix it
mranenome 1 year ago
JIHAD! la ilaha il allah!
YOUGOTLOLLED 1 year ago
she reminds me a lot of gilmore girls...
saveme192837 1 year ago
Obesity + hunger = Obese People ate all the food..
STOP EATING YOU FAT PEOPLE!
RealFreeMoneyOnline 1 year ago
@RealFreeMoneyOnline
go get poor people free money....
timidgothica 1 year ago
@RealFreeMoneyOnline I actually thought she explained quite well the fact that it is not the eating habits of the people causing most of the obesity in the developed world rather the produce itself and the fact that giant corporations are raping society. A great explanation of this can be found in the documentary "Food Inc." which shows where people in the US (and everywhere they export to) get their food.
GraphitePen 1 year ago
sum 1 bake this fatty a cake.
xapemanx 1 year ago
We're trying to make more and more complex solutions, turning to organizations, institutions, etc. I really think the effort is great, but there are bigger underlying problems behind alimentation issues. What about the monetary system? Capitalism? Profit?.. It's like if there we're just cutting problems instead of ripping 'em from their very core. If I gotta poison everyone for me and my family to survive, hell that I would do it! just like the food & every other industry does today.
xxgigphasexx 1 year ago
@kimikittykitty67 What you say is true, but my perspective is different because I live in a country in which fast food are not available as easy as in the US (I live in both places) In my country there is natural fatty food and there is the same problem than the US, we have obesity and hunger at the same time, diferent circumntances but same problem. What you say is true, but I think the problem is more complex than that. I guess education at school would be a good idea, but thats me.
Chavadorf18 1 year ago
Important issue, very impassioned and full of hope, but thin on information & solutions. Advice: use smaller words, better graphs, and tie it all into a human story.
clearmenser 1 year ago
She just drank her coffee, and was perfectly relevant....hastly!
ocean514 1 year ago
You should find a way to modernize or make production of goods easier in these towns. They already know how to survive; providing them with those means would do wonders.
mjrstubble 1 year ago
@fleshmob, you stupid little douche. she's just one person and is doing the best she can, you you expect her to solve world hunger or reduce the exploitation caused by foreign politics herself? well at least she's helping feed them to provide enough nutrients for the children to grow mentally and physically. she's responsible for providing them nutrition to grow and learn, she's no teacher, she's just FEEDING. TEACHING is someone else's job.
tthybrid 1 year ago
she was awesome
very informed, and presentable
and active, we need more young people to turn out like her.
atheistkyo 1 year ago
God she's anoying.
And just feeding people ain't gonna solve the underlying problems. People breed like rabbits and will continue to grow beyond what the land can actually sustain.
Phyrexious 1 year ago 14
@Phyrexious They breed like rabbits because most of their children die, people in India have 8 kids because 4 of them usually die, and they need someone to work to feed them, which they can even do because we pay them next to nothing in sweat shops that they work 18 hours a day. If people were educated and cared for with enough resources to just live, they would only have one, maybe two children, and thats a fact.
MrIrishDrink 1 year ago
@MrIrishDrink
Of yes, IF they were educated... The problem is, they aren't. Just feeding them isn't gonna solve anything.
I've got a cruel but fitting comparison with wildlife reservates where there are no natural predators. It's paradise on earth for those animals, till... till they overbreed and there isn't enough food anymore during the winter. The worst think you can do is feed them because next winter you'll have twice the problem.
Land can only sustain a set amount of mouths to feed.
Phyrexious 1 year ago
@Phyrexious Check out "Hans Rosling on global population growth". The way to stop the insane population growth is to lower the rate - that is done by creating an environment where that is possible. When there is 60-70% chance of death before puberty for every child in one of the "undeveloped" nations, people have between 6 and 9 children ON AVERAGE. Only when there is security in the survival of the young is there the ability to look around and notice how insane the population growth really is.
GraphitePen 1 year ago
@GraphitePen It's never going to happen. People have been talking this crap for decades, and the situation has only gotten steadily worse The fecundity of the lowest classes has always outstripped the ability of mankind at large to accommodate them, and it always will do so. Malthus was right. The global social order will ultimately collapse, the masses will overrun the land like locusts, resulting in global war, famine and pestilence, and a general die off. Have a nice day.
mranenome 1 year ago
@mranenome You're right, and I notice a rather stupid redundancy in what I wrote earlier. What I had intended was more along the lines of, To overcome the problem of overpopulation there is a need not just to lower the rate of growth but to reverse it (for the point at which we find ourselves). But the real question, I think, is can human society sustain itself with no growth? In a world where even communist societies are capitalists, this requires a complete overhaul of the world's economy.
GraphitePen 1 year ago
@GraphitePen Yeah that's exactly the problem right there. I can't imagine how people will ever grapple with that. Maybe they'll figure out a way, that would be great.
mranenome 1 year ago
@mranenome Yes Malthus was a famous anti-capitalist. And was noteworthy for being demonstrably wrong even in his day. Much moreso now.
In the same essay that coined "dismal science," Malthus stated that black people are better off as slaves because they're not smart enough to care for themselves. I strongly suggest you learn more about what he actually said before you go around endorsing him. Thomas Malthus was wrong then, he's wrong now, and he'll be more wrong 100 years from now.
notme222 1 year ago
@notme222 The essay that coined "dismal science," in which various derogatory things are said about black people, was written by Thomas Carlyle, not Thomas Robert Malthus. Malthus isn't mentioned or quoted in it. I figure you're trolling, but anyone interested should look it up.
mranenome 1 year ago
@mranenome Shoot, you're right. I conflated the names. (I'd be more appreciative of the correction if you hadn't resorted to calling "troll!" when someone disagrees with you.)
Nevertheless, Carlyle was undoubtedly Malthusian, and Malthus (I'm correct this time) clearly endorsed central government control and population control specifically for poor people, making Carlyle's view not a stretch. But they are different and you could be a Malthusian without supporting Carlyle, fair enough.
notme222 1 year ago
Phyrexious,
THIS!
There is no hunger, there are just parts of the world that have TOO MANY PEOPLE in relation to the level of civilization and what the environment can support.
Want to end world hunger? Send them birth control and books, not food.
Apeiron242 1 year ago
@Phyrexious no, when food and vaccines proliferate in a society, their birth rate plummets to 2 or less children per family. Many 'developed' nations are shrinking in population, the reason why it still looks like their population increases is due to immigration into the country from outside. One of the principle reasons why organizations like the Gates put so much stake in vaccines and extending life expectancy is because it simultaneously manifests a population control on the planet.
MaBuSt 1 year ago
@Phyrexious
Having children is hard work. When people are more comfortable in their lifestyle and chances of survival, they naturally have less children. This is the trend we're seeing in west and eastern countries.
Mrmoc7 1 year ago