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  • If the toss player would've put up force fields on the ramp with a sentry, that game would've been over. Terran got lucky.

  • I never void ray rush a terran. Too risky. It's my ace in the hole for zerg tho. :D

  • Video FAIL the toss doesn't vr rush and the defender is terran. 5-6 rines per vr is sufficient. Maybe you can find an opponent who actually rushes vr next time and just maybe you can play as zerg or toss who actually have to get something other than their initial unit to counter....

  • just woundering, what does this need a tutorial for the first unit that terran get`s is an AA xD

  • /watch?v=lf4xBHq60N8 (please thumbs this up, he needs to know)

  • fleets? I'd say just calling it an army or force is enough.

  • guy i know plays protoss so easy to spam turrets and mass void rays. They destroy the computer when we play all the time. Now i know how to counter :)

  • this might just be me but tbh i find someone going void rays really easy to kill as any race and also i dnt get why low level players bitch about them being OP when there not

  • The thing is, you got REALLY lucky here when protoss split up his VRs, so it wasn't a true rush.

    If Protoss had just spammed More Zealots or another VR at his base and NOT taken your marauder bait, (dividing up his main force, noob move) you wouldn't have had a chance.

  • THIS PROTOS WAS AN IDIOT NOOB!

  • Oh damn, the Terran quick expand seems really risky. I've actually seen nobody ever do it yet. Can't you just expand somewhere where he can't see you, make your first base a PF, and your expo an Orbital?

    It just seems to be a better choice in a map where a PF wouldn't cover the ramp. But then again, I'm just a noob Zerg player, so I dunno. Terran quick-expand just seems like a really map-dependent build, no?

  • thanks ive been killed by this so many times and nothing ive done seems to counter it they always get like 10 and focus down my turrets

  • I know the toss's fatal flaw: He's using 2 stargates off one base. What the hell is he thinking? xD

    Also, shifting to Void Ray was actually a smart move. He saw your PF and your buttload of mauraders with few marines.

  • @ParadigmShiftr Psh, switching to Phoenixes and using gosu micro to grav-lift-kill everything would be more badass.

    But obviously that's not as plausible as going Void Rays.

    Meh, screw life and plausibility.

  • so glad void rays are getting nerfed in the next patch XD

  • HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU DIAMOND WITH A 40 APM AVERAGE AND CALLING EACH ARMY FLEETS????

  • @jokes494 You must be a douchebag, nice to meet you!

  • The toss is an idiot. If he was making one void ray at base he only needed to send 1 void ray back. If he took down your engineering bay and took out your main with 4 void rays.

  • Fun Fact: All a protoss players 4Gate or Mass Voidrays.

  • @CharinZain 2 gate robo, 2 gate expo, cannon rush, dark templar rush

    i dont even play toss

  • @tmweb95 I mean that they only do that utill the get to platinum where it is not affective anymore, you arely see a protoss doing an eco build on the bronze, silver, and most of the gold one.

  • @CharinZain Nuh uh. I'm a protoss and I 3gate robo. Giraffes with thermal lance, bitch.

  • @ParadigmShiftr Hey look!!! a protoss who uses Collosus!!! That is so revolutionary!!!!

  • @CharinZain You're supposed to use strategies that work. Duh.

  • @ParadigmShiftr Hey look!!! Someone who always do the same thing every single game!!! He shurely will revolutionize the rase he plays!!!!

  • @CharinZain Hey look. Someone who uses too many exclamation points, overuses "revolutionize", and can't spell "race".

    Grow up.

  • @ParadigmShiftr HEY LOOK ITS A GRAMMAR NAZI!!!! HES A TRUE EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW ON THE INTERNET!!!!

  • @CharinZain Ugh.

    Blocked so you can't PM me when I ignore you.

  • @ParadigmShiftr HEY LOOK IT SOMEONE BLOCKING SOMEONE ON YOUTUBE!!!! HOW DID THAT HAPPENED?!?!?!?! ITS WIESRD BECAUSE YOUTUBE IS GOT SUCH A GREAT COMUNITY!!!!

  • courage wolf says: show void rays early, then go three gate robotech.

  • that guy is a fail void ray rusher

  • dear uploaders can you please take down your beta videos

  • your oponent was a noob

  • If the guy void ray rushed right he woulda built phoenixes in there to lift off the marines and walled off his base with cannons to at least provide some resistance from the rauders getting in.

  • Void ray spam is a stupid as strat that only noobs do

  • thats a nice game, i always play against a mass void ray

  • @nounnyvan That's right. Vikings attack Colossus, and bring them down easy.

  • protoss can win this game if he goes straight for the main cc after crushing planetary fortress with all of his void and directly all the barracks. they would kill buildings faster than marauders. one probe can make somewhere one pylon left with most of void at the entrance to guard against marauders. the other 1 or 2 void can search the rest terran buildings on the map

  • how do u get the shield for the marine?

  • what if he combines void and colossus?

  • @battleongo Get more vikings?

  • if the protoss would make a single colossus(which he got the chance),he would destroyed half or even more(depending micro) his army

  • I hate void Rays cause they are the only unit that most Toss players build I am Gold player btw not so good but VOids are the most favored unit by the protoss and if the TOss dont make voids they spamm Stalkers what makes the game less entertaining for me

  • Void Ray rushing is a terrible tactic. All of those how still complain about how this unit is broken, refuse to become better players and just complain. It deals damage in a untraditional way which is a gift and a curse. If all of you noobs would just scout it would be the easiest thing to take care of.

  • This sounds like SeaNanners?

  • lol at around 3 min i'd have at least 10-15 marines rushing your base already

  • @kevz2008 gratz, nerd. no one cares.

  • thats not a true vr rush.

  • plus this guy was a noob he should've sacked your main resources first instead of seiging with air(lol) and allowing you to repair and gather more resources to come back and win.

  • Haha ic ompletely understand the mule / scan habit. I always say ima scan this time, then im having my APM above 100 i just auto call down mules lol.

  • This is not a void rush at all, if I were rushing with voids, I could have been in your base charged with 5 rays at the 7 minute mark game time, 6:20 game time with 3 rays, with my own base defense, this toss is horrible and does not know a void rush build, the toss' 2nd mistake was charging at your xpac and your main at the front... had he charged at your main while reinforcing more rays, gg

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  • are u canadian? :3

  • Oh i got alot better with the Rays now i can make 6 before the 9th minute x3

  • His micro sucked so bad thats the only way he won.

  • just as in sc1 stimmed rines + medics candestroy

  • Toss fucked up, he should have walled his base if he was going to pull that, the second he saw those Mars heading to his base he should have walled, layed some photons, start working on HTs, take all his voidrays ignore your bay/depos and head straight for your base with the 6. Regardless good video, even as Toss I still get the VR rush blues.

  • o_o.....i would have illed you before the 11 minute XD i normaly already have 4 void rays when the timer hits 9 and that can be really deadly if you dont have any tourret

  • wow your like the only guy who made a video on how to counter void rays. You should make a vid on how to counter 2 opponents: 1 terran with lots of vikings 2:protoss with lots of void rays LMAO. Btw I just came off a 2v2 loss where my allie quit. I had a large army of bcs, vikings, and a few banshees. Damn void rays shredded it

  • @JaKeth3snake mutas work great vs voids for zerg, wraiths work great for terran and the phoenix for the protoss easily shreds voids

    scan + wraiths with cloaking works well against voids if they decide to build observers.

  • @Krawnikal wraiths... wtf are you talking about? Were you high when you wrote this?

  • @JaKeth3snake He must have been as you can simply support your voids with corsairs to counter that. But just optical flare his void rays and lockdown his colossi and it's gg. TERRAN OP!!!

  • @Ketroc21 lmao, yeah and get some science vessels and radiate his ground units

  • @JaKeth3snake most noobs don't put forth the effort into making observers and it works quite effectively against countering voids because you aren't getting hit while being cloaked...probably was high when I wrote it, fuck I'm probably high most of the time I play the game along with alot of other people lol.

  • @Krawnikal I really want to try playing while high. I wonder if my apm would go up or down haha. Me and ketroc were just making fun of how you said wraiths not vikings

  • @JaKeth3snake vikings do OK but once I upgrade my voids they get insta-raped.

    Unless the person is smart and resourceful enough to mass attack with the vikings.

  • @JaKeth3snake Just another broodwar player =]

  • @AZNxBanMido people still play broodwar?

  • @JaKeth3snake well uhmm was that a rhetorical question?

  • @AZNxBanMido No, Its a legit question. I didn't know the servers were running for sc1 still

  • In the Recommended I saw this video as "Starcraft 2 - Handling the Void..." I was just curious. It's still beta, now void rays are not so powerful as they were.

  • ur crazy lol nice work. im calling u kamakazi ketroc!

  • scv harrasing the probe lol i thought it was suposse to work backwards

  • The only issue with voidray really is zerg doesn't have good AA from the start.

    Hydras really need to be 75 minerals and tier 1.

    Apart from that voidrays are good. So the issue is really a "Zerg is nerfed too much" issue.

    At least hydra should be tier 1...

  • protoss sucked, good protoss will always keep vr near cliff or area with zero defense. and not lose everything to snipe a cc

  • wich all the respect ketroc21 is underestimating the problem.... so look at this videos in youtube to fully understand the issue with voids

    first the funny video that shows how powerfull only 3 voids are

    watch?v=C8Wofe5Myq8

    and this quick rush

    watch?v=re16VQuHtgA&feature=re­lated

    what happend when terran defend against zelators

    watch?v=3XtQ1DPH46M&feature=re­lated

    and finally this one watch?v=jGG4pruRQX8&feature=re­lated

    You maybe need a second thougth about the issued with voids

  • It’s not issue in 1v1, but it’s huge issue in 3v3 and 4v4. When you cannot scout (ramp already walled with photons, or they kill your scout before you see starport). And then 3× more void rays rushing.

  • @izvarzone yeah they all toss go voids or stalkers so i am pretty good against them havnt seen any toss that does any other builds

  • that protoss player sucked... he should have kept the attack at the beggining and pump out zealots... just to hold a little bit...

  • bronze league matches are intense

  • @eriesel sure, they are ^_^

  • protoss was a moron in this game

  • Its way to easy to USE void ray rush, and way to hard to STOP it. idk what they were thinking when they made the charge carry over. i tried using them for myself and have not changed my opinion at all on them, they are WAY OP!

  • i don't think the void rays should be able to attack air units!

  • same thing has happened to me but the toss walled and cannoned...

  • ya another cool thing is if u build ur startport in a secluded area on map ur enemy wont even see u making them so scan would be useless and u rpolly woulda kept making maruaders till its too later and also i saw u saying make turrets on outside so they cant charge, well another trick is if u lucky enough and have ur starport close enoguh u can actually charge the void rays ray on ur own buildings, so u attack ur startport till its charged up and then go in

  • @HellRaider99

    *stargate, starpor is terran.

  • You are lucky he really sucked cause any half-decent player would have completely dominated you with your silly too-early expo.

  • Hehe, this match is sad. Now compare this sorry excuse to the pro replays, or even your average diamond players.

  • @WorshipInTruth I hate people who think only "pros" can enjoy the game, we all payed 60$ too and just because we have not blown five million hours getting to diamond does not mean we should not have fun posting videos of all the cool things that happen to us, it's just a damn game and it is for having fun, smiling, being happy, I win by being layed back and having fun, I may never leave bronze but I'll still be enjoying the random fun I can have for years to come, while you stick your nose up.

  • @miles305678 You "win by being layed back and having fun", well apparently you are not winning too often if you are in friggin bronze league. I am a diamond leaguer and I bet you anything I have more fun playing the game than you do. Shouldn't have to "blow" "five million hours" in order to get somewhat decent at the game.

  • @WorshipInTruth I am in bronze because I just bought the game a week ago and work a job so have not had the time to play a lot, and if it does not take endless hours to get good they must have made it simple than Brood Wars, by layed back and having fun I mean enjoying each match and trying new things not-not trying to win, my main point was the fact that people can try new things and make mistakes without the overly superior stuck up players making fun of them. And btw about to move up tonight

  • @miles305678 "my main point was the fact that people can make mistakes without the overly superior players making fun of them"?? Well your point sucks than because there will always be somebody better to point out that you suck.

  • @WorshipInTruth See it is not what you say it is how you choose to say it, the world is way to agressive these days, if somebody says "Bad strategy for (state reasons)" or "I don't like this because (state reasons)" I would be "Okay that's a good opinion I'll consider it next time." However when somebody says "You suck, go back to bronze league you piece of shit player" (One of many things I have seen people say) I simply thing "Wow what an ass..." and that ends my discussion good day sir.

  • I remember bronze league games. Everyone put all their money on voidrays. Damn you voidcakes.

  • Sorry your opponent sucked badly he could've won easily

    With your fast expansion

  • You only won 'cos protoss player is a dumb fuck and sent 66% of his army down to his base.

    You won the only way possible against void rays. Because your opponent's micro was a dumb ass.

  • MM BIOBALL

  • is there any way to counter mass carrier?

  • if you didn't get that nexus you would be screwed

  • Overall theme of this vid is correct- to counter VR, build a ton of marines.  Honestly you don't even need that many mauraders, just boatloads of marines. Calling it a void ray "rush" is silly- VR are expensive and take a long time to build, even chrono boosted. Terran should be building plenty of marines during that time anyways.

  • I woulda' taken out your expansion.

  • How to take down advanced protoss technology? Shooting a machine gun while on drugs.

  • i was hoping to see a good counter to mass void rays but the reason you won is because your opponent sucks...

  • yeah but if your zerg your screwed

  • @TheMossad921 quite the opposite. i think its way easier to counter void rays while zerg cause hydras are very strong against them and cut them down very fast.

  • @chucklez117 nah test it out fully upgraded hydras and even corrupters vs half as many rays get destroyed same with marines vikings and medvacs

  • sorry but that guy is a retard, void ray rushing is not coming to rofl fly over a terran base with 2 rays.

  • rather than u play really well, i think he just messed up a win. bad toss

  • void rays are such bullshit, that charge should NOT carry over, it dosnt make any sense for fuck sake

  • @intencityfan I've learned a lot more about Voids since this video. I can handle them a lot better. Keep air turrets at the outside of your base, not the inside (so he can't charge up on one of your buildings). Stim marines can bust them up fast. Kiting with viking(s) can kill them and remove their charge.

    I actually like the way the charge works now that I understand it. I think it makes Void Rays one of the most interesting unit in the game.

  • @Ketroc21 yea, not to mention they keep nerfing the voidrays every time they come out with a new patch

  • @intencityfan yeah so u would like unit that costs 250/150/3 to do 5 dmg per second? that seems fair..... whats next storm takes 5 seconds to cast? or would u like immortals to have 10 shield? and colossus with range 1? stop crying start playing, practice makes master not crying and whining

  • @intencityfan hahaha you sound like a sour terran... I eat void rays for breakfast, everytime a protoss goes rays against me is pretty much gg, they're so expensive...

  • @intencityfan No.

  • @intencityfan i play protoss and let me remind you, vikings eat void rays for breakfast lunch and dinner lol and marines with stim own them and please repeating cusses you hear on call of duty isnt necessary

  • Okay, okay, people. Point taken... not the best replay choice to display defense of a void "rush". I chose it because of how unprepared I was. Next match i have vs a toss who goes STRAIGHT TO voids, I'll be sure to post on youtube for yas. May be a while though as all-in void rush is uncommon at diamond league.

  • @Ketroc21

    I think this is a good replay though unlike other "How to Counter" videos.

    You showed the "What IF..." side of the game :D

    thumbs up 4 u

  • @Ketroc21 i think the choise was good because every noob can use void rays and this was no exception he didnt charge his voids on his building had 4 zealots just watching u destroy his nexus. But i have a question :) how do you counter as a toss island base with turrets all over and range upgrade :)

  • Yeah when he attacks with 4 zealots and then several stalkers, that's not a void rush

  • this isnt a void ray rush...

  • not ze(eee)alots read like there is no "e" zalots ;p

  • how do you do this as zerg

  • what about mass void rays?

  • @earias777 mass void rays is very powerfull but not if terran will create idk (MANY x MANY) of marines ;p. I hate void rays i'm really pissed off when i see guys attacking me, cause only way to destroy void ray mass is another void ray mass I think. Maybe there is another way but I only play protos so... ;D

  • terran = overpowered 

  • he also went in the front ... and not back door ,.... weird.

  • The only problem I have with this strategy (which I do find works) is by the time I start heading to their base after sucessfully defending, they either sneak behind my army and get me in the ass or they've somehow massed carriers which I don't even know how the fuck to defend from. Like, Missile Turrets don't stop them. Marines don't stop them. Vikings might but I never get that far with all the marine massing + trying to rush the base. What do I do... :(

  • you did have good anti void ray units and some turrets.. but lets not be confused that player was bad.. haha he didn't use the void rays properly.. especially at the end he was fully charged and should have just fought your marines it probablly woulda ended with him winning or both of those armies dead.. instead he went up to the corner lost the void ray fully charge and then let your marines pick them off.. what a waste!

  • Ya, please don't take away from this video that you should counter void rays with marauders. As seen in this video, a dozen marines with stim can massacre void rays and this is what you should use to counter. This video is more about making the best of a bad spot since my scouting was a giant failure. My opponent did make bad decisions with his void ray micro and this match could have been a lot closer result had he'd been smarter.

  • well played... this clears up a lot... gotto scan midway and counter push with ground force if attacked...

  • WOW... i dont kno if that was luck or proper strategy... he should have moved on to the other CC right after he got the planetary down..3 voids.. and that scan crucial...

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