Not unsubscribing here. I'm retired military and we earned and paid for your right to express yourself. Besides, one video does not break my enjoyment of your other contributions. I don't think the four-horsemen (now three) represented us all that well as it is. I'm not anti-theist and I'm not a science-based atheist. All gods can be dismissed as myths without using science. You can't help who you love or hate. But, no thumb up or down this time.
Joe, mate, you're busting my balls Joe. You compare your inarticulate rant to Hitchens' attacks on Falwell, Diana and Teresa? I made a mistake by calling you a fool. I watched some of your other videos and realised you are merely an idiot, certainly not worth wasting any more time on.
@thedogdaydaz Inarticulate or not you took me to task for daring to attack a dead man. I merely pointed out that your good old Hitch did that shit all the time. Period. And while I might be an idiot, you sought me out. Not vice a versa...asshole.
Mate, I was almost with you there, right until the last bit. Unfortunately, sadly, inevitably, you proved yourself to be a bile spewing cretin. It's true that even a broken clock is right twice a day. I think Hitchens was like a finely engineered timepiece that managed to get it wrong just once. I also disagree with his position on Iraq. But to say "Fuck you Hitchens. I'm glad you're dead" is ghoulish, inhuman and frankly unforgivable. You are a terrible fool sir. Hang your head in shame.
@thedogdaydaz You Hitchens fans are a fucking hoot. Yes, how horrible it is to be glad a war monger is dead. Meanwhile, the very same man I should be ashamed to denounce in death did the same exact thing to Jerry Falwell, Princess Diana, Mother Teresa, et al All of which I was cool with, obviously. But apparently it's okay to talk shit about the dead about everyone EXCEPT per precious Chrissy Hitchens. Hilarious.
Well, Joe, as we briefly talked about at Mug, I love Christopher Hitchens, but I also acknowledge his faults. I understand why he went about Iraq the way he did, and I also supported the war AT THE TIME. Unfortunately, Hitch was never able to swallow his pride, and that's a shame.
I have several friends that fought in Iraq and a brother that didnt return alive. My youngest brother recently returned from afganistan with life threatening injuries. Personally I can't ignore the opinions and stories of the war veterans who say we had no business over there and it is the same ole political war machine bullshit. We are up to our chins in the middle East and comunist China(money lender), N.Korea, Japan(money lender), and Russia are tired of the stupid world police ego shit.
I admire Hitchens for a lot of things, but I am with you on this. His biggest flaw was that he refused to admit to being wrong even when he clearly was. The way things were borne out, he was on the wrong side of the war in Iraq, and yet he refused to admit it. (He was also a bit of a misogynist at times and would also frequently begin very sound rebuttals with ad hominem attacks which detracts from his arguments)
when an atheist die (especially someone like hitch), christians all of a sudden act like their burden of proof has vanished and their claims have became self evident.
@joedixon I've removed my post and delivered a slap to the back of my hand for jumping to the wrong conclusion as far as your beliefs go. I still don't agree with you about CH but at the same time, I don't agree with CH about the war in Iraq - but then to be truthful, I still don't know even nearly enough about it to have a considered opinion! My respect and interest in this man is purely to do with his war on religion. My views in this area too are somewhat inchoate but I've only just begun.
@JoeDixon Obviously mr Chris isn't nearly as accomplished as mr Joe (yea right lol) and Joe is too quick to jump to conclusions. C.H. could often be a drunken asshole but he done things in the interest of humanity on a world class scale that will be admired and remembered forever by the greatest of modern intellectuals. His greatest sadness about death was leaving his children fatherless.
@glower125 No, Thank you! Please invite your friends who agree with you to put a thumbs up. I'm losing tons of subs and getting a million thumbs down. Not that it isn't totally worth it. Hitchens was a war mongering asshole. Fuck him. Good riddance.
@JoeDixon Jesus had only 12 disciples/followers. Stay strong my friend.
People idolize leaders who validate their rebellion against God but they don't realize that they are accountable for their own lives. I careless if people believe or not but I hate cheering murder and genocide. Hitchens was a champion of murder but that seems to matter less to those who are granted license to sin against God.
@glower125 You got the wrong guy. I'm every bit the atheist Hitchens was. This is too funny. Why does no one read? A simple look by you and others at my channel page would reveal that I'm a non believer. I hated Hitchens for his war support not his lack of belief. God is bullshit. Please feel free to now unsubscribe me.
@JoeDixon i respect you beliefs. I was talking to myself basically in my last post. I don't hate hitchens for his lack of belief as that's a matter of personal choice. I hate him for his neo-con racist beliefs and his incitement of an illegal war. if you want me to unsubscribe you, I will. Peace.
@glower125 My apologies. Your post came across as Jesus Freak. If you don't mind my shitting all over religion then by all means do stay. If however, such things do trouble you then I good day to you and I hope you have a happy life. Peace.
My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line and kiss my ass. ~ Christopher Hitchens orgsites.com/nc/gwm/_pgg7.php3
Fuck you joe, fuck you... you ignorant unintelligent illiterate fucktard... fuck you... joe, when you take your last breath not one of us will give a shit... then you will cease to have existed because your life will have meant nothing to anyone... Hitch has over 50 books, countless articles, essays and videos that give claim to his immortality. Yours is this idiotic youtube that attacks a man that is your superior in every way...
Christopher Hitchens is not dead, he has just past from life into immortality. Not an immortal nonexistent realm of the eternal "soul".... but into the realm of the immortal literary geniuses.
Christopher Hitchens did not die... he just finished his final book. The ONLY book of life there is, once it is closed you do not return but what you leave behind lives on for you as a namesake.
The namesake of Christopher Hitchens will never die.
His weakened body quit functioning is all... You cannot kill Christopher Hitchens, Christopher Hitchens will live on in his work, in the words he has written, the thousands of hours of video of him, in the conscious minds of EVERYONE that has listened to his voice or read his words.... You can NEVER kill that, neither can it ever die....
Despite all of your seething hatred and jealousy... (We all see it slathered all over your face btw)...
The one thing that will keep you up at night, and sit in the pit of your stomach for however many years that you waste space on this little planet is this...
Hitchens took shits that were more important than you.
Before you condemn Hitchens, try reading his stuff first, maybe watch a few debates on youtube. He is smart and fun to watch. Along with thinking critically, your church has probably forbidden reading or viewing Hitchens, but give it a try anyway, God will never know...
its fundie fucktards like you that keep making his message live on. Its ignorant uneducated one sided pathetic monkeys like you sir that keep proving and proving his point. I may dislike you more than most people but at least I have the moral stature to never ever praise anyones death. Christians and the religious it seems to come all to naturally.
Spoken like a true Christian. You're proving one of Hitchins' many arguments against religion. Bit of a sore looser aren't you? And by the way, raising your voice is a bad way to reinforce your argument:)
@windmill10 Hey moron, he's not a christian, he's an atheist. He's pointing out that Hitchens main contributions were to political writings. All of his atheist writings are recycled and simple. Nice projection though.
A lot of people supported that war..Joe, you act like Hitch did something to you personally. The fact is, Hitch didn't send 1 soldier into battle. Your level of irrational vitriol would be better served focused at those who actually make decisions regarding war. Hitch did a great deal of good for the rational movement. You having a different opinion about the war and honestly sounding like a jaded ass bitch doesn't change that.
Fuck YOU!!! How very christian of you, you ignorant puke. Go study your fictional god and keep you head in the sand. You will never be anywhere near the man that Christopher Hitchens was.
I agree. I hope I'm that famous as well. Thank you.
Perhaps this is what you are aiming for after all. FAME. More hits on your youtube account. Of course you are willing to take the name calling and dislikes from people...its all good, bumps up the numbers...but leaves me wondering if your opportunistic rant really means anything anyway. If your goal was to inform and educate FAIL. People leave him be. Just like rotten teeth he will soon be removed.
I think perhaps my initial comment was a bit knee jerkish in reaction, of course you are entitled to your opinion, ( and I am quite sure you are not alone in your disagreement with Mr Hitchens over policy with regards Iraq, ... I share not his outlook either )
Guess I just found your video a bit harsh when attacking someone just deceased that I have high regard for, but hey, knock yourself out!. ... Oh, and go fuck yourself none the less!
Joe, I disagree with you on this but I'm not unsubscribing like some pussy afraid to hear a dissenting voice. My two cents: you fail to see the fact that Hitchen’s support for the war (right or wrong) came from a similar humanitarian position as your own. He cared deeply about the people of Iraq who endured the worst kind of injustices. The WMD error is true but is irrelevant WHEN compared to Saddam's record, for which the international community should have removed him years ago.
@DriveByBacon I'm not going to re-argue the Iraq war with you. I will say this 1. A war based on lies can never be just 2. Blowing people up and introducing the concept of indefinite detection (now come to the US, thanks to Obama) IS NOT HUMANITARIAN.
@JoeDixon 1. A house is burning and I tell the firemen a lie which makes them jump to putting the fire out is not the rescuing of someone’s home a good thing regardless? (I'm not defending lying to the public btw) The truth of Saddam’s record alone is sufficient to warrant his overthrow The lies you maybe referring to are thus irrelevant. 2. Hitchens never endorsed bringing authoritarian policy of indefinite detention to any country. Moot point as he fully supported civil liberties.
although I do not agree with most things you said I do agree with you saying it. Hitchens was in many ways an inspiration to me, but I really hate the concept that people seem to talk nice about the people who passed away recently. keep speaking your mind as long as you live, its the only time you can do it.
So he disagreed with you on many things. I can only hope i'm still around when you die so i can make a HATEFUL vid about you. Once more the Xtians keeping it classy! Hitch wouldn't have made a vid like this on your death because i doubt he would have felt you were worth his time, obviosly he's worth yours. You're entitled to your views but was the instance of his death the only time you could have made this vid? Hateful-SHAME
@bismarket If Hitchens thought someone was not a force for Good in the World, he would have had no problem making a video like this about them. In fact it is entirely in keeping with the mans persona. Disagree with it by all means, but I think shame is not right. Hateful? Well, Joe hated the man because he thought he supported a war where a lot of innocent people died witouth justification.This is the way it is with people I fear. I hope you will reconsider here.
Racist slurs. People who claim to be fans yet are unaware of his stance on a war that has only just ended. Or for that matter don't know he attacked the recently dead all the time. Plus, those who think being waterboarded under controlled conditions is the same as being sent off to war. Yeah, you Hitchens fans have sure showed me. Bigots and ignorance about the man you claim to adore. What a joke. I'm leaving all the comments up. Let the world see just what type of people Hitch attracted.
Because someone supports the war doesn't mean they deserve to die. I see why the war is a bad thing and why it's a good thing. It's really a mixed view topic, there does need to be stability on the middle east, however Iraq was a mistake and currently the war is just becoming a repeat of Vietnam.
@rgiri77 a couple 1. She never courted the support of David Duke. He came to her. 2. Go back and read the articles, Duke is a passing reference and again he came to her because she attacked PNAC. Which people automatically think your anti-semite for. Sort of like when I attack Hitch and people then assume I'm a Christian. 2. Her son is just as dead while this booze hound paraded himself in front of TV cameras and lectured us on how if we don't support the war we are pro-fascist. F'him.
@JoeDixon But the PNAC is NOT a passing reference in either article. Hitch points out her backtracking by claiming her letter was doctored makes her sound calculating. I cannot comment on the non televised speeches Hitch refers to, to lead him to conclude that she has commented that Bush 'is the tool of a Jewish cabal'. However David Duke courting her makes her suspect. He is certainly well within his rights to point this out.
@JoeDixon As to him calling those who 'don't support the war we are pro-fascist'. Al-queda and Muslim of Brotherhood are facists. I haven't seen the TV footage you mention not being american. But I would be dissapointed if Hitchens did not discribe it as accurately 'appeasing facism' rather than pro like the lunatic fringe of Anti-war movement which he was at pains to clearly identify when he attacked them.
@JoeDixon Well that's a bit tongue in check don't you think? Good riddance implies you're glad he's not coming back, so therefore you weren't happy to see him alive. And if you don't want someone alive then you would think they would deserve to die? I’ve never heard anyone say i hate that guy i hope he dies, but then say I'm glad he's dead but he didn't deserve to die.
@TheAtheistAussie Well, this maybe an American English/Aussie English thing because I can pretty safely assure you most Americans would not think that.
While I also totally oppose and denounce Hitchens' views on the Iraq war, I think you make a mistake when you call him a warmonger. His (irrational) support for the (vile) US invasion of Iraq was not based on a general support of violence, destruction, and conquering, but rather based on a deep conviction of opposition to despotism. Clearly, even the sharpest of minds is susceptible to delusion.
I think you got trapped in between propagandists, Joe: now you pick your side.
Death is not an affair for one to support or reject, thus I don't cry nor feel happy about it. Anyway I feel pleased for Christopher's literary abilities instead of hating his warmongering -just in the case of Iraq and was for personal reasons as he stated, as far as I can tell. He was crazy about it, certainly. Although, I still appreciate his public deeds in favor of literacy.
well, I think he did more good for humanity than bad.
I never heard him support war in all the hundreds of videos I've seen of him. Not saying he didn't, but maybe it wasn't something he focused on as much.
If you're gonna say fuck him because of one thing you disagree with him about, then fuck everybody because no one will agree 100% on everything.
Maybe you're just using "fuck you" loosely, in that case FUCK YOU
I may not agree with what you say, but I will support your right to say it. I personally find it a little in poor taste to wait until like RIGHT after the man died to say this about him, but that's my own opinion. I can only assume you waited until now out of a desire to avoid attacks from Hitchens' supporters, and if that is the case, it seems from reading the comments that you have failed spectacularly.
@sykeo123 do not use the word nigger and claim to be a fan of Hitchens. he would despise you. i very much dislike this video. i think it is unfounded and spiteful. but do not be a bigot in your critique. you are swine.
@sykeo123 please keep your petulant racism to yourself. you do not speak on the behalf of Hitchens' memory, nor of his true fans, when you use the word "nigger" against a black man. i very much dislike this video. i find it unfounded and vitriolic. but you are worse by half. shut up and fuck off.
It's very easy to say that America shouldn't have invaded Iraq. It's easy to say that with just about any war. The thing is that we just don't know what the consequences would have been if the invasion hadn't happened. Perhaps if America hadn't have intervened things would have turned out worse in the long run but we cannot appreciate it because we stopped it from happening.
I'm not going to dislike...or like this video...because I agree, and disagree.
The support of the Iraq war, which was...fought for a good number of reasons, is something that I feel is debatable. There are multiple reasons to support a war, both bad, and good. I would like to think that even if I didn't agree with Hitchens on his political stances though...that I could respect the fact that he made his arguments clearly, and concisely. He was not a perfect man, by any stretch...but I liked him.
I can't say that I agree with you Joe. Hitch backed the war in Iraq because it was a war against Theocracy. It was fought for many reasons. One of them being a humanitarian effort to stabilize the regional factions from bombing each other back to the stone age. After all this region was the cradle of civilization.
@BigLundi Not being familiar with JoeDixon and hearing he began his video by stating that he was doing a bible study on Sunday, I thought him a Christian. Whoops.
I guess he has no one to blame for his starkness other than himself.
i liked christopher hitchens for his outspoken views on religion, and the immorality committed in its name. i never knew that he supported the war strongly (obviously i'm only a topical fan of his) - something which most of us agree is also immoral. the seeming hypocrisy is interesting... thanks for informing me of "the other side" of christopher hitchens. i guess it best to embrace the ideology of a person that one agrees with, and not necessarily the entirety of the person himself.
Kudos for speaking your mind. Rather Hitchenesque, if I may say so. No one should be considered beyond vigorous criticism because they've been "canonized" by the free-thought community.
Hitchens has actually been in war zones and has actually came under fire a few times. I understand that he wasn't a soldier, but he still seen danger. As far as Cindy Sheehan, well, her son and I were in the same unit, C 1-82, out of 1st Cavalry Division. He and I were in the same LMTV (C 90) when he got shot. That was April 4, 2004 in Sadr City. We were at Camp War Eagle part of Task Force Lancer. I think that I'd have more right to be mad at Hitchens than you do, but expressing one thought
I just hit the like button on this. Figure I may lose some subs as well. However, having been involved in politics for a long time I too am familiar with some of the ugly aspects of the man. I am still sorry to see him go because he was very useful and fun to watch. But, Hitch was a fellow who could not be wrong.
He lost the argument re Iraq to his old leftest buddies and could not admit it and never would have had he lived to a hundred. Still not glad to see his departure.
Amazing, rather than acknowledge Hitchens mistake you'd much rather call Cindy Sheehan an anti-semite. If you can't admit that he was WRONG about Iraq or at least admit he was wrong about WMDs then your not being honest. I'm tired of responding but I'll leave the comments open. You can continue to vote the video down and attack me but the reality will not change. 1. Hitchen's was wrong on Iraq. 2. He was all for attacking people when they were dead. See the rest of you Sunday.
@sykeo123 fuck off. i am a HUGE Hitchens fan, including his stance on the Iraq war, and i despise your bigotry. Hitch would do the same. he would NEVER condone such racism. you are no fan of his.
@sykeo123 Well, you are exhibiting just the kind of racist scum that Hitchens' unfortunate right wing views would attract. Kinda reminds me of Pat Condell and his idiotic followers.
But honestly, Hitchens isn't nearly as bad as Condell. Yes, his right wing views were unfortunate and poorly supported, but he also did a lot of good. In the end I respect him, even if I frequently thought he was full of shit. The man definitely had talent and did a lot of good.
@sykeo123 stop your vitriol. stop your casual use of the word "nigger." in no world would Hitchens support such racism. i hate this video and am an ardent admirer of Hitchens - including his stance on the Iraq war - but i detest your ignorance and bigotry with every ounce of my body. fuck off.
@JoeDixon 'he was all for attacking people when they were dead' arent you doing that now? hypocrite. Personally I don't think beng dead should prevent people from criticising you, however if you do then you shoud take down this retarded video.
@TheMundaneMadcap "'he was all for attacking people when they were dead' arent you doing that now? hypocrite. " What hypocrite? I'm not attacking him for that. Clearly, I agreed with him. As I did on religion. It's just all those dead bodies his cheerleading helped to produce (and his absolute refusal to acknowledge the facts about WMD) is where I despise him. I thought these were simply unforgivable acts. Period.
I admire Hitchens for his views and the way he presents them. But you're right. No morally defensible person could go on supporting that war which killed hundreds of thousands o people, destroyed a nation, based entirely on lies. Kudos for seeing the big picture.
@ezdeth Wow. I can't believe it. Someone agrees with me. Please get all the other anti-war people over here. Apparently we are more of a minority in the atheist community than I ever imagined! I can't wait to see how this people react to me when Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, et al die. If you think I was harsh on Hitch, you ain't seen nothing. I'll be singing when Dick Cheney kicks the bucket.
@sykeo123 Uh, actually I'm 3 semesters away from earning my Ph. D. I've got more education than you and, most likely, most of your inbred family.
You are a barely literate imbecile who needs to fuck off. If the best response you can come up with is to yell "nigger nigger nigger", then you have nothing intelligent to say and don't deserve to be treated like a human being with a functioning brain. Fuck you. And fuck anyone who doesn't hate you.
This is especially annoying since I just spent the whole fucking day grading exams after I was given the worst fucking final exams schedule ever imagined. But "you teach at university." Good for you. Dipshit.
@sykeo123 Your supposed education seems to have bounced off your head. You write like a pissed off 12 year old in remedial classes.Your language is from the gutter. If what you say about yourself is true then you will not be the first bigoted fool with a doctorate
Hitch did some great things worthy of respect but he also had some major failings. Do atheists now have saints whom we may not question or criticize?
"hatemonger filth nigger" You can't write a coherent insult Mr. Genius.
@sykeo123 I'm getting my phd at Indiana University, and I got my masters at Oklahoma State University. They're both big research universities. Neither is a "Fisher-Price" college. (And you spelled Fisher-Price wrong, you idiot).
@sykeo123 you may be very right in criticizing the bitterness of this video. but you are no fan of Hitchens if your use "nigger" in your language. you are a bigot and are an hateful swine. i HATE this ridiculous video but your response is worse to me. cut the bullshit. you're a racist.
@sykeo123 At what university and in what field are you getting your phd, Mr. Oh So Educated? I couldn't help but note that you seem so proud of your phd candidacy at your channel. Back it up. What are your fucking credentials?
@sykeo123 you are an excuse for a human being. Hitchens would never, never support your disgusting and casual use of the term "nigger." i very much admire Hitch, including his stance on the Iraq War. but i despise your bigotry even more than i despise this video. "Up with this," Hitch often said, "we will not put." shut your mouth and promptly fuck off.
Good for You! Christopher has done the same thing to the dead. I like both you and him. If you find anybody that shares all of your ideas let me know. I never have. I try to accept that my friends and fellow atheists are going to be with me on some things and not with me on others.
@KasparHauser6 Agree 100% And had Hitch simply said, "Look I was wrong. I still support the war but clearly it was a war based on lies." I might not be so angry. But he wouldn't even do that. Indeed, Hitch continued to say Iraq had WMD when all evidence showed they did not. At some point I have to believe he knew it was not true but continued to say it anyway. What kind of person is that? Why should I respect him? HOW can I respect him?
@JoeDixon I can understand your passion. I am not asking you to change your mind. I bet even Christopher would have understood your passion as well. As far as talking bad about the dead, Christopher did it to Jerry Falwell when he died. As I said before, in order to have any friends at all I must allow them to have opinions that I disagree with. Because nobody even within a family sees things 100% alike.
@sstuddert Meaning what? That he wasn't wrong when he said Iraq had weapons of Mass Destruction? He stuck to that even after George Bush retracted it. But he is going to be remembered as 1 of the great intellectuals so I guess facts don't matter.
@JoeDixon I'm quite sure you haven't done nearly as much research on the war as hitch. And even if you were right, which I don't know. He'll still be a better and more intelligent person that you will ever be. I'm sorry you can't be relevant too.
@JoeDixon Also the cynicalness of Moveon.org a predominantly and vocally atheist movement derisive of the Bush's evangelical stance, championing her petitioning Bush to join her in Friday prayers.
"one must deny to anyone the right to ventriloquize the dead". That's Casey Sheehan the one who died. Not the mother's overtly political anti-semitic agenda.
@JoeDixon If I was Rwandan and heard his 'mocking' of the UN, Kurdish and hear him speak passionately of the 30 years of rape of them and his own people and chemical bombing (which they are still affected by), or Tamil (which I am) and speak of their massacre to shrugged shoulders of the antiwar movement
depite half our entire UK population turning up and marching in London for months. I do not call him a war monger.
@JoeDixon If you mean his support of the war in Iraq By same logic so was George Orwell. I can't find the exact quote when I heard the war time BBC radio broadcasts. But he consistently maintain before the onset of WW2 that the best way to deter and demoralise Nazi's is a handgrendade. So he's a cheerleader too.
Political Islamists have been responsible and call for the geneocide of more third world minorities than any other group. They are Nazi's.
@JoeDixon@JoeDixon0:47 'A cheerleader for warmongers'. Semantics. On George Bush "He is lucky to be governor of Texas," Hitchens said. "He is unusually incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of all these things." Hardly would work in a cheerleading chorus.
I have lost a friend today and great light forever moral, humble, witty and jaw dropping permanence of his inciteful analysis of any situation to the dismay of his rivals, even at death's door. Yet your reponse is still more emotional than mine and you are less keen to back these up with facts.
But I am not angry I visualise Christopher smiling at the irony of the situation :)
i think it would be interesting to hear your opinion on Hitchens's political views when the man was alive and well, but like it was said here before, the timing is awful. If you can't respect the man at least respect his family.
@ZZzzzzzWhat And once again, people deny Hitch's legacy. Did he respect Falwell's family? This is is silly. The man had no problem going after dead people but some how my engaging in the same exact behavior is some how out of line. Did any of you guys actually pay attention to his career? Sheesh.
So..... you hate all the Christians that supported the war on weapons of mass destruction too. I look forward to that video. Then again you'll just say they weren't real Christians, because your a real Christian, or maybe it's part of the Atheist conspiracy, or maybe god chose you to be a youtube martyr, an intellectual sacrifice to show us atheists the error of our ways, at the expense of a dead person no less, something you can relate to of course, therefore justified, but just as ignorant.
@bowlsallbroken I didn't realise Joe is an atheist and apologise, my comment was on the back of alot of emotion and the vid does tend to come across that way. I didn't agree with Hitchens' position on the war either but he did progress the dialogue between theists and atheists more than any other imo, he was brutally honest and his sense of humour actually endeared him to many theists. Like you said "nobody's perfect" so let's remember the good he did.
Even though I understand and agree with your stance regarding Hitchens' position on the wars, I've come to realize that nobody's perfect and estimate that, overall, Hitchens did more good than harm and at the very least arrived at even his flawed conclusions with the best of intentions.
I think you have a great channel and I have no damned intention of unsubscribing. I have no problem with people criticizing the dead when the deceased was a public figure that thrived on being controversial.
I, also, very much disagreed with his opinions on war. I just don't think the time of a man's death is the appropriate time to voice that opposition. It has nothing to do with which side of any issues you are on. It is just plain impolite.
Saddam Hussein had to be removed from Iraq, the war was sloppy but there was arguments for the invasion considering the state Iraq was in (infested with terrorism and a dictator allowed to execute people as he pleased), saying it was unsupportable is incorrect, im guessing your religious by the way?
"considering the state Iraq was in (infested with terrorism"
Gonna stop you right there and suggest look into the actual facts regarding terrorism and Iraq before and after Hussein. The invasion essentially turned Iraq into Al Qaeda's private playground, whereas under Hussein, a scumbag I'll grant you, Iraq was a secular Ba'athist state.
@JoeDixon I had no interest in Hitchens' political opinions because, from the little I'd seen, I disagreed with them. His death hit me hard, for reasons I won't go into here, but you have as much right to voice your opinion as I do mine.
I disagree with your assessment of Christopher, but I support your right to say it. I'll keep my sub to you, unlike the whiny bitches who are butt hurt over hearing your opinion. Grow up, people.
Look, I partly agree with your opinions about Christopher Hitchens but I think you're ignoring the huge good that he did for the atheist/freethinking community. You have chosen to focus on one opinion of his and completely disregard his life's work. I'm not a Hitchen's worshiper, but I think you could have gone about this in a more tactful/balanced way without losing your subscribers.
@dwk0003 But maybe I don't care about losing subscribers? I bite my tongue enough when I'm around people. I'll be GODDAMNED if I'll do that on my own channel. As for ignoring Hitch's contributions, you're right. I did. That's not what I'm mad about. So why bring it up? If I wanted too, I could read only the poetic passages of the Bible. But those aren't the ones I have a problem with.
@JoeDixon I should add, I want subscribers. I like having subscribers but in the end, what's the point of having a youtube channel if I'm going to avoid saying things that might offend people? Even other atheists? I mean, I'm willing to put my name to videos saying there is no God. You don't think I get shit for that? BUT, I'm suppose to tip toe around my feelings about Christopher Hitchens? Fuck that. No, a thousands times. NO.
@JoeDixon I see what you're saying, but...it's kind of like: what's the point? He's dead. Are you trying to convince Hitchens followers not to make such a big deal about the guy because he had some messed-up beliefs? If you are, then I think a more balanced, mature video would have accomplished that better. If you aren't trying to convince anyone of anything and you just wanted to share your opinion regardless of the consequences, okay. I respect that.
@dwk0003 Look, I partly agree with your opinions about the pope but I think you're ignoring the huge good that he did for the catholic community. You have chosen to focus on one dogma of his and completely disregard his life's work. I'm not a pope worshiper, but I think you could have gone about this in a more tactful/balanced way without losing your subscribers.
Hitchens was instrumental in the reformation of my life after religion but, Joe is right.It's a blemished legacy at best.
Hitchens did "put his ass out there". While not exactly a war correspondent, he was in the thick of it several times. Fuck you too fatso, you religious piece of shit. Only brave enough to debate with Hitchen's point of view after he passed away. If I have the privilege of ever running into you, you'll be sorry you made this trash video.
@preemptivestrike20 LOL. First off, sitting in a TV studio is not 'in the thick of it'. Nor is being flown around with Paul Wolfowitz. And I'm not debating anybody. I'm denouncing them. Something Hitch himself had no problem doing to the dead. You guys amaze me. It's like you know nothing about his career. Look at his actions after Princess Di or Jerry Falwell or any number of people died. But, you are right, I'm very fat. LOL.
I really like Hitch, and while he was flawed, he was a largely positive force for the atheist movement. Regardless, someone had to have the balls to criticize him for his stance on Iraq. Thumbs up for stating an honest opinion.
@WeezingFan What's funny is that his fan base is all shocked that anyone would post an attack on him after he died. Something, Hitch himself did all the time to people. It's also funny that they think I was afraid to do this when he was alive. I posted shit about him when he was alive. Big deal.
This is very unfair, and not only because Hitchens died today. I have mixed emotions about his politics, and whatever about his support for the Iraq war, one thing was for sure: he was consistent. He was consistent in his opposition to Saddam and in his opposition to totalitarian regimes generally and he had it in for Saddam long before Cindy Sheehan's son was even born.
@delacaravanio I don't care when her son's birthday was. He attacked her. Personally. Google the article. He simply could not accept that maybe, just maybe, someone was against the war while also not being pro-fascist. There is nothing unfair about how I feel about this.
@kil2250 Yeah, I'm sure Hitchen's just surfed the internet looking for criticism of him. And it wasn't until he died that I got the balls to say shit about him. That is too funny, thanks for the laugh.
Not unsubscribing here. I'm retired military and we earned and paid for your right to express yourself. Besides, one video does not break my enjoyment of your other contributions. I don't think the four-horsemen (now three) represented us all that well as it is. I'm not anti-theist and I'm not a science-based atheist. All gods can be dismissed as myths without using science. You can't help who you love or hate. But, no thumb up or down this time.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 month ago
Joe, mate, you're busting my balls Joe. You compare your inarticulate rant to Hitchens' attacks on Falwell, Diana and Teresa? I made a mistake by calling you a fool. I watched some of your other videos and realised you are merely an idiot, certainly not worth wasting any more time on.
thedogdaydaz 1 month ago
@thedogdaydaz Inarticulate or not you took me to task for daring to attack a dead man. I merely pointed out that your good old Hitch did that shit all the time. Period. And while I might be an idiot, you sought me out. Not vice a versa...asshole.
JoeDixon 1 month ago
Mate, I was almost with you there, right until the last bit. Unfortunately, sadly, inevitably, you proved yourself to be a bile spewing cretin. It's true that even a broken clock is right twice a day. I think Hitchens was like a finely engineered timepiece that managed to get it wrong just once. I also disagree with his position on Iraq. But to say "Fuck you Hitchens. I'm glad you're dead" is ghoulish, inhuman and frankly unforgivable. You are a terrible fool sir. Hang your head in shame.
thedogdaydaz 1 month ago
@thedogdaydaz You Hitchens fans are a fucking hoot. Yes, how horrible it is to be glad a war monger is dead. Meanwhile, the very same man I should be ashamed to denounce in death did the same exact thing to Jerry Falwell, Princess Diana, Mother Teresa, et al All of which I was cool with, obviously. But apparently it's okay to talk shit about the dead about everyone EXCEPT per precious Chrissy Hitchens. Hilarious.
JoeDixon 1 month ago
Well, Joe, as we briefly talked about at Mug, I love Christopher Hitchens, but I also acknowledge his faults. I understand why he went about Iraq the way he did, and I also supported the war AT THE TIME. Unfortunately, Hitch was never able to swallow his pride, and that's a shame.
thewolfpacktravels 1 month ago
I have several friends that fought in Iraq and a brother that didnt return alive. My youngest brother recently returned from afganistan with life threatening injuries. Personally I can't ignore the opinions and stories of the war veterans who say we had no business over there and it is the same ole political war machine bullshit. We are up to our chins in the middle East and comunist China(money lender), N.Korea, Japan(money lender), and Russia are tired of the stupid world police ego shit.
kick08ful 1 month ago
You put it much better than i did. Good job!
skinnywhop87 2 months ago
I love you Joe. Tell me how you really feel :D
Coherentcogitation 2 months ago
lol @ Christopher Hitchens dying
g0dh4x 2 months ago
I admire Hitchens for a lot of things, but I am with you on this. His biggest flaw was that he refused to admit to being wrong even when he clearly was. The way things were borne out, he was on the wrong side of the war in Iraq, and yet he refused to admit it. (He was also a bit of a misogynist at times and would also frequently begin very sound rebuttals with ad hominem attacks which detracts from his arguments)
jonlashta 2 months ago
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when an atheist die (especially someone like hitch), christians all of a sudden act like their burden of proof has vanished and their claims have became self evident.
mroldschoolhiphop1 2 months ago
@joedixon I've removed my post and delivered a slap to the back of my hand for jumping to the wrong conclusion as far as your beliefs go. I still don't agree with you about CH but at the same time, I don't agree with CH about the war in Iraq - but then to be truthful, I still don't know even nearly enough about it to have a considered opinion! My respect and interest in this man is purely to do with his war on religion. My views in this area too are somewhat inchoate but I've only just begun.
racegirl87 2 months ago
@racegirl87 Okay.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon Obviously mr Chris isn't nearly as accomplished as mr Joe (yea right lol) and Joe is too quick to jump to conclusions. C.H. could often be a drunken asshole but he done things in the interest of humanity on a world class scale that will be admired and remembered forever by the greatest of modern intellectuals. His greatest sadness about death was leaving his children fatherless.
kick08ful 1 month ago
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racegirl87 2 months ago
@racegirl87 I ain't no Christian! For fucks sake.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
THANK YOU SIR FOR SAYING THE TRUTH.
glower125 2 months ago
@glower125 No, Thank you! Please invite your friends who agree with you to put a thumbs up. I'm losing tons of subs and getting a million thumbs down. Not that it isn't totally worth it. Hitchens was a war mongering asshole. Fuck him. Good riddance.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon Jesus had only 12 disciples/followers. Stay strong my friend.
People idolize leaders who validate their rebellion against God but they don't realize that they are accountable for their own lives. I careless if people believe or not but I hate cheering murder and genocide. Hitchens was a champion of murder but that seems to matter less to those who are granted license to sin against God.
God bless you my friend.
glower125 2 months ago
@glower125 You got the wrong guy. I'm every bit the atheist Hitchens was. This is too funny. Why does no one read? A simple look by you and others at my channel page would reveal that I'm a non believer. I hated Hitchens for his war support not his lack of belief. God is bullshit. Please feel free to now unsubscribe me.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon i respect you beliefs. I was talking to myself basically in my last post. I don't hate hitchens for his lack of belief as that's a matter of personal choice. I hate him for his neo-con racist beliefs and his incitement of an illegal war. if you want me to unsubscribe you, I will. Peace.
glower125 2 months ago
@glower125 My apologies. Your post came across as Jesus Freak. If you don't mind my shitting all over religion then by all means do stay. If however, such things do trouble you then I good day to you and I hope you have a happy life. Peace.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
Nobody makes Hitchens’s point that 'Religion Poisons Everything' better than believers.
cosmos11 2 months ago
My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line and kiss my ass. ~ Christopher Hitchens orgsites.com/nc/gwm/_pgg7.php3
JosephAllenCavin 2 months ago
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Fuck you joe, fuck you... you ignorant unintelligent illiterate fucktard... fuck you... joe, when you take your last breath not one of us will give a shit... then you will cease to have existed because your life will have meant nothing to anyone... Hitch has over 50 books, countless articles, essays and videos that give claim to his immortality. Yours is this idiotic youtube that attacks a man that is your superior in every way...
and joe.... FUCK YOU!
JosephAllenCavin 2 months ago
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JosephAllenCavin 2 months ago
Christopher Hitchens is not dead, he has just past from life into immortality. Not an immortal nonexistent realm of the eternal "soul".... but into the realm of the immortal literary geniuses.
Christopher Hitchens did not die... he just finished his final book. The ONLY book of life there is, once it is closed you do not return but what you leave behind lives on for you as a namesake.
The namesake of Christopher Hitchens will never die.
JosephAllenCavin 2 months ago
Christopher Hitchens did not die....
His weakened body quit functioning is all... You cannot kill Christopher Hitchens, Christopher Hitchens will live on in his work, in the words he has written, the thousands of hours of video of him, in the conscious minds of EVERYONE that has listened to his voice or read his words.... You can NEVER kill that, neither can it ever die....
JosephAllenCavin 2 months ago
Wow!
Despite all of your seething hatred and jealousy... (We all see it slathered all over your face btw)...
The one thing that will keep you up at night, and sit in the pit of your stomach for however many years that you waste space on this little planet is this...
Hitchens took shits that were more important than you.
AvatarOfAvatar 2 months ago
You give yourself too much credit Joe, I know when I see a snake oil salesman. Carry on.
warmvinyl 2 months ago
Before you condemn Hitchens, try reading his stuff first, maybe watch a few debates on youtube. He is smart and fun to watch. Along with thinking critically, your church has probably forbidden reading or viewing Hitchens, but give it a try anyway, God will never know...
kaduisaui 2 months ago
its fundie fucktards like you that keep making his message live on. Its ignorant uneducated one sided pathetic monkeys like you sir that keep proving and proving his point. I may dislike you more than most people but at least I have the moral stature to never ever praise anyones death. Christians and the religious it seems to come all to naturally.
superman19837 2 months ago
Spoken like a true Christian. You're proving one of Hitchins' many arguments against religion. Bit of a sore looser aren't you? And by the way, raising your voice is a bad way to reinforce your argument:)
windmill10 2 months ago
@windmill10 Hey moron, he's not a christian, he's an atheist. He's pointing out that Hitchens main contributions were to political writings. All of his atheist writings are recycled and simple. Nice projection though.
Marcopolo965 2 months ago
A lot of people supported that war..Joe, you act like Hitch did something to you personally. The fact is, Hitch didn't send 1 soldier into battle. Your level of irrational vitriol would be better served focused at those who actually make decisions regarding war. Hitch did a great deal of good for the rational movement. You having a different opinion about the war and honestly sounding like a jaded ass bitch doesn't change that.
agent1180 2 months ago
How Christ-like of you. Hypocrite much?
HollyDeezy 2 months ago
@HollyDeezy God, you Hitchen fans are fucking stupid.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon ...and continuing to prove my point...
HollyDeezy 2 months ago
Fuck YOU!!! How very christian of you, you ignorant puke. Go study your fictional god and keep you head in the sand. You will never be anywhere near the man that Christopher Hitchens was.
TheEkstaza 2 months ago
and this video comes from a christian? with those glasses you obviously look like a fag and god hate fags.
ventura433 2 months ago
If I were jesus I would take a crap and make all my devoted followers eat the corn from my shit...fuck this water into wine bit!
moonshineinsummer1 2 months ago
I agree. I hope I'm that famous as well. Thank you.
Perhaps this is what you are aiming for after all. FAME. More hits on your youtube account. Of course you are willing to take the name calling and dislikes from people...its all good, bumps up the numbers...but leaves me wondering if your opportunistic rant really means anything anyway. If your goal was to inform and educate FAIL. People leave him be. Just like rotten teeth he will soon be removed.
warmvinyl 2 months ago
@warmvinyl Yeah, saying fuck you to Christopher Hitchens is my shot to fame. How can you people be so stupid?
JoeDixon 2 months ago
I think perhaps my initial comment was a bit knee jerkish in reaction, of course you are entitled to your opinion, ( and I am quite sure you are not alone in your disagreement with Mr Hitchens over policy with regards Iraq, ... I share not his outlook either )
Guess I just found your video a bit harsh when attacking someone just deceased that I have high regard for, but hey, knock yourself out!. ... Oh, and go fuck yourself none the less!
PiskieBenWa 2 months ago
Joe, I disagree with you on this but I'm not unsubscribing like some pussy afraid to hear a dissenting voice. My two cents: you fail to see the fact that Hitchen’s support for the war (right or wrong) came from a similar humanitarian position as your own. He cared deeply about the people of Iraq who endured the worst kind of injustices. The WMD error is true but is irrelevant WHEN compared to Saddam's record, for which the international community should have removed him years ago.
DriveByBacon 2 months ago
@DriveByBacon I'm not going to re-argue the Iraq war with you. I will say this 1. A war based on lies can never be just 2. Blowing people up and introducing the concept of indefinite detection (now come to the US, thanks to Obama) IS NOT HUMANITARIAN.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon
'a just war'
Thanks for the laugh...
imarchello 2 months ago
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DriveByBacon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon 1. A house is burning and I tell the firemen a lie which makes them jump to putting the fire out is not the rescuing of someone’s home a good thing regardless? (I'm not defending lying to the public btw) The truth of Saddam’s record alone is sufficient to warrant his overthrow The lies you maybe referring to are thus irrelevant. 2. Hitchens never endorsed bringing authoritarian policy of indefinite detention to any country. Moot point as he fully supported civil liberties.
DriveByBacon 2 months ago
I agree with you Joe. The war was and is horrible.
Meatbag211 2 months ago
@Meatbag211 Thanks.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
although I do not agree with most things you said I do agree with you saying it. Hitchens was in many ways an inspiration to me, but I really hate the concept that people seem to talk nice about the people who passed away recently. keep speaking your mind as long as you live, its the only time you can do it.
theone0044 2 months ago
So he disagreed with you on many things. I can only hope i'm still around when you die so i can make a HATEFUL vid about you. Once more the Xtians keeping it classy! Hitch wouldn't have made a vid like this on your death because i doubt he would have felt you were worth his time, obviosly he's worth yours. You're entitled to your views but was the instance of his death the only time you could have made this vid? Hateful-SHAME
bismarket 2 months ago
@bismarket If Hitchens thought someone was not a force for Good in the World, he would have had no problem making a video like this about them. In fact it is entirely in keeping with the mans persona. Disagree with it by all means, but I think shame is not right. Hateful? Well, Joe hated the man because he thought he supported a war where a lot of innocent people died witouth justification.This is the way it is with people I fear. I hope you will reconsider here.
NoFaithNoPain 2 months ago
@bismarket "I can only hope i'm still around when you die so i can make a HATEFUL vid about you." I agree. I hope I'm that famous as well. Thank you.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
Temper, temper.
timandemily 2 months ago
Racist slurs. People who claim to be fans yet are unaware of his stance on a war that has only just ended. Or for that matter don't know he attacked the recently dead all the time. Plus, those who think being waterboarded under controlled conditions is the same as being sent off to war. Yeah, you Hitchens fans have sure showed me. Bigots and ignorance about the man you claim to adore. What a joke. I'm leaving all the comments up. Let the world see just what type of people Hitch attracted.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
Because someone supports the war doesn't mean they deserve to die. I see why the war is a bad thing and why it's a good thing. It's really a mixed view topic, there does need to be stability on the middle east, however Iraq was a mistake and currently the war is just becoming a repeat of Vietnam.
TheAtheistAussie 2 months ago
@TheAtheistAussie I never said he deserved to die. I said good riddance and I meant it.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon
You at 1:12 'He mocked Cindy Sheehan Fuck Christopher Hitchens. Fuck him'.
Christopher Hitchens "mocked" Cindy Sheehan for courting the support of Ex Klu Klux Klan leader David Duke.
Any response?
rgiri77 2 months ago
@rgiri77 a couple 1. She never courted the support of David Duke. He came to her. 2. Go back and read the articles, Duke is a passing reference and again he came to her because she attacked PNAC. Which people automatically think your anti-semite for. Sort of like when I attack Hitch and people then assume I'm a Christian. 2. Her son is just as dead while this booze hound paraded himself in front of TV cameras and lectured us on how if we don't support the war we are pro-fascist. F'him.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon But the PNAC is NOT a passing reference in either article. Hitch points out her backtracking by claiming her letter was doctored makes her sound calculating. I cannot comment on the non televised speeches Hitch refers to, to lead him to conclude that she has commented that Bush 'is the tool of a Jewish cabal'. However David Duke courting her makes her suspect. He is certainly well within his rights to point this out.
As to lecturing
rgiri77 2 months ago
@JoeDixon As to him calling those who 'don't support the war we are pro-fascist'. Al-queda and Muslim of Brotherhood are facists. I haven't seen the TV footage you mention not being american. But I would be dissapointed if Hitchens did not discribe it as accurately 'appeasing facism' rather than pro like the lunatic fringe of Anti-war movement which he was at pains to clearly identify when he attacked them.
rgiri77 2 months ago
@JoeDixon Well that's a bit tongue in check don't you think? Good riddance implies you're glad he's not coming back, so therefore you weren't happy to see him alive. And if you don't want someone alive then you would think they would deserve to die? I’ve never heard anyone say i hate that guy i hope he dies, but then say I'm glad he's dead but he didn't deserve to die.
TheAtheistAussie 2 months ago
@TheAtheistAussie Well, this maybe an American English/Aussie English thing because I can pretty safely assure you most Americans would not think that.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
While I also totally oppose and denounce Hitchens' views on the Iraq war, I think you make a mistake when you call him a warmonger. His (irrational) support for the (vile) US invasion of Iraq was not based on a general support of violence, destruction, and conquering, but rather based on a deep conviction of opposition to despotism. Clearly, even the sharpest of minds is susceptible to delusion.
MercuryShining 2 months ago
I think you got trapped in between propagandists, Joe: now you pick your side.
Death is not an affair for one to support or reject, thus I don't cry nor feel happy about it. Anyway I feel pleased for Christopher's literary abilities instead of hating his warmongering -just in the case of Iraq and was for personal reasons as he stated, as far as I can tell. He was crazy about it, certainly. Although, I still appreciate his public deeds in favor of literacy.
code933k 2 months ago
Hitch did put his arse out their Joe..
He submitted himself to 'water-boarding' so he could write about how inhumane a form of torture it is.
Hitch was quite capable of putting his money where his mouth was.
I wish more Republicans and for that matter Democrats were as straight up and honest as Hitch was.
ozweblogs 2 months ago
YOU ARE A CUNT!
milanjeftic1992 2 months ago
well, I think he did more good for humanity than bad.
I never heard him support war in all the hundreds of videos I've seen of him. Not saying he didn't, but maybe it wasn't something he focused on as much.
If you're gonna say fuck him because of one thing you disagree with him about, then fuck everybody because no one will agree 100% on everything.
Maybe you're just using "fuck you" loosely, in that case FUCK YOU
DirtyPoopers 2 months ago
I may not agree with what you say, but I will support your right to say it. I personally find it a little in poor taste to wait until like RIGHT after the man died to say this about him, but that's my own opinion. I can only assume you waited until now out of a desire to avoid attacks from Hitchens' supporters, and if that is the case, it seems from reading the comments that you have failed spectacularly.
Still, kudos for speaking your mind.
Psykolord1989 2 months ago
@Psykolord1989
"little in poor taste to wait until like RIGHT after the man died"
Not only poor taste by hate monger /war monger action
This uneducated nigger in this video doesn't even know what the trash he spews means.
sykeo123 2 months ago
@sykeo123 do not use the word nigger and claim to be a fan of Hitchens. he would despise you. i very much dislike this video. i think it is unfounded and spiteful. but do not be a bigot in your critique. you are swine.
RobbLind30 2 months ago
@sykeo123 please keep your petulant racism to yourself. you do not speak on the behalf of Hitchens' memory, nor of his true fans, when you use the word "nigger" against a black man. i very much dislike this video. i find it unfounded and vitriolic. but you are worse by half. shut up and fuck off.
RobbLind30 2 months ago
It's very easy to say that America shouldn't have invaded Iraq. It's easy to say that with just about any war. The thing is that we just don't know what the consequences would have been if the invasion hadn't happened. Perhaps if America hadn't have intervened things would have turned out worse in the long run but we cannot appreciate it because we stopped it from happening.
RationalConclusion 2 months ago
Wow, so opinionated, and rather harsh in the process?
Just wondering if these views you have expressed before on You Tube?
... I somehow bet not.
Oh, and on a more personal note, ... Go FUCK YOURSELF ass wipe!, ... fucking opportunistic douche bag.
PiskieBenWa 2 months ago
wow, jesus must be proud of you
n2thatguy 2 months ago
@n2thatguy The guy's an atheist.
BigLundi 2 months ago
I'm not going to dislike...or like this video...because I agree, and disagree.
The support of the Iraq war, which was...fought for a good number of reasons, is something that I feel is debatable. There are multiple reasons to support a war, both bad, and good. I would like to think that even if I didn't agree with Hitchens on his political stances though...that I could respect the fact that he made his arguments clearly, and concisely. He was not a perfect man, by any stretch...but I liked him.
BigLundi 2 months ago 5
I can't say that I agree with you Joe. Hitch backed the war in Iraq because it was a war against Theocracy. It was fought for many reasons. One of them being a humanitarian effort to stabilize the regional factions from bombing each other back to the stone age. After all this region was the cradle of civilization.
bigboy45454545 2 months ago
he did put his ass out there.
rationalconscience 2 months ago
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MyGodTheresNoGod 2 months ago 2
@MyGodTheresNoGod He's not religious. This is an atheist hating on Hitchens...not a religious person.
BigLundi 2 months ago
@BigLundi Not being familiar with JoeDixon and hearing he began his video by stating that he was doing a bible study on Sunday, I thought him a Christian. Whoops.
I guess he has no one to blame for his starkness other than himself.
MyGodTheresNoGod 2 months ago
i liked christopher hitchens for his outspoken views on religion, and the immorality committed in its name. i never knew that he supported the war strongly (obviously i'm only a topical fan of his) - something which most of us agree is also immoral. the seeming hypocrisy is interesting... thanks for informing me of "the other side" of christopher hitchens. i guess it best to embrace the ideology of a person that one agrees with, and not necessarily the entirety of the person himself.
russelljackwebdesign 2 months ago
Kudos for speaking your mind. Rather Hitchenesque, if I may say so. No one should be considered beyond vigorous criticism because they've been "canonized" by the free-thought community.
ozmoroid 2 months ago 2
And then. what are you smoking.
honorebalzac01 2 months ago
expressing one thought isn't a crime, and that includes yours. It's just strange though you waited after he died.
petion2010 2 months ago
Hitchens has actually been in war zones and has actually came under fire a few times. I understand that he wasn't a soldier, but he still seen danger. As far as Cindy Sheehan, well, her son and I were in the same unit, C 1-82, out of 1st Cavalry Division. He and I were in the same LMTV (C 90) when he got shot. That was April 4, 2004 in Sadr City. We were at Camp War Eagle part of Task Force Lancer. I think that I'd have more right to be mad at Hitchens than you do, but expressing one thought
petion2010 2 months ago
I just hit the like button on this. Figure I may lose some subs as well. However, having been involved in politics for a long time I too am familiar with some of the ugly aspects of the man. I am still sorry to see him go because he was very useful and fun to watch. But, Hitch was a fellow who could not be wrong.
He lost the argument re Iraq to his old leftest buddies and could not admit it and never would have had he lived to a hundred. Still not glad to see his departure.
MacNutz2 2 months ago
What a very Christian video. Fuck you too, also your glasses are vomit inducing.
zayzayzay0 2 months ago 2
Amazing, rather than acknowledge Hitchens mistake you'd much rather call Cindy Sheehan an anti-semite. If you can't admit that he was WRONG about Iraq or at least admit he was wrong about WMDs then your not being honest. I'm tired of responding but I'll leave the comments open. You can continue to vote the video down and attack me but the reality will not change. 1. Hitchen's was wrong on Iraq. 2. He was all for attacking people when they were dead. See the rest of you Sunday.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon
hello you uneducated filth nigger to bad you couldn't have died in hist place
sykeo123 2 months ago
@sykeo123 WTF dude, Just wtf. I strongly disagree with this guy but why the racism? Don't you have any shame.
ForYeensSake 2 months ago
@ForYeensSake
Why the racist?
I call a nigger a nigger, white trailer trash white trailer trash
This uneducated nigger is a nigger
This nigger is less than shit under my shoes
sykeo123 2 months ago
@sykeo123 fuck off. i am a HUGE Hitchens fan, including his stance on the Iraq war, and i despise your bigotry. Hitch would do the same. he would NEVER condone such racism. you are no fan of his.
RobbLind30 2 months ago
@sykeo123 Nigger is a racist word. If you fail to comprehend this, well you are then you are the "uneducated nigger".
ForYeensSake 2 months ago
@sykeo123 Well, you are exhibiting just the kind of racist scum that Hitchens' unfortunate right wing views would attract. Kinda reminds me of Pat Condell and his idiotic followers.
But honestly, Hitchens isn't nearly as bad as Condell. Yes, his right wing views were unfortunate and poorly supported, but he also did a lot of good. In the end I respect him, even if I frequently thought he was full of shit. The man definitely had talent and did a lot of good.
RiffingReligion 2 months ago
@sykeo123 stop your vitriol. stop your casual use of the word "nigger." in no world would Hitchens support such racism. i hate this video and am an ardent admirer of Hitchens - including his stance on the Iraq war - but i detest your ignorance and bigotry with every ounce of my body. fuck off.
RobbLind30 2 months ago
@JoeDixon 'he was all for attacking people when they were dead' arent you doing that now? hypocrite. Personally I don't think beng dead should prevent people from criticising you, however if you do then you shoud take down this retarded video.
TheMundaneMadcap 2 months ago
@TheMundaneMadcap "'he was all for attacking people when they were dead' arent you doing that now? hypocrite. " What hypocrite? I'm not attacking him for that. Clearly, I agreed with him. As I did on religion. It's just all those dead bodies his cheerleading helped to produce (and his absolute refusal to acknowledge the facts about WMD) is where I despise him. I thought these were simply unforgivable acts. Period.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
Damn, that was harsh.
I admire Hitchens for his views and the way he presents them. But you're right. No morally defensible person could go on supporting that war which killed hundreds of thousands o people, destroyed a nation, based entirely on lies. Kudos for seeing the big picture.
ezdeth 2 months ago
@ezdeth Wow. I can't believe it. Someone agrees with me. Please get all the other anti-war people over here. Apparently we are more of a minority in the atheist community than I ever imagined! I can't wait to see how this people react to me when Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, et al die. If you think I was harsh on Hitch, you ain't seen nothing. I'll be singing when Dick Cheney kicks the bucket.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon
You don't have anything to say except how you drop out of high school do you ?
Come on you uneducated filth nigger.
It is sad that a burden on society a nigger like you didn't die instead.
sykeo123 2 months ago
@sykeo123 Fuck off, you barely-literate moron. You're just exposing your own pathetic stupidity by shouting racist insults here.
RiffingReligion 2 months ago
@RiffingReligion
barely literate?
You are the high school drop out you uneducated trash filth
sykeo123 2 months ago
@sykeo123 Uh, actually I'm 3 semesters away from earning my Ph. D. I've got more education than you and, most likely, most of your inbred family.
You are a barely literate imbecile who needs to fuck off. If the best response you can come up with is to yell "nigger nigger nigger", then you have nothing intelligent to say and don't deserve to be treated like a human being with a functioning brain. Fuck you. And fuck anyone who doesn't hate you.
RiffingReligion 2 months ago
@RiffingReligion
O i am so positive you are you uneducated filth
What imaginary degree you achieving
Yup you are so much more educated than me filth you are correct... O wait I teach at university
and all you got is a imaginary non existing degree
sykeo123 2 months ago
@sykeo123 says: "I teach at university"
This is especially annoying since I just spent the whole fucking day grading exams after I was given the worst fucking final exams schedule ever imagined. But "you teach at university." Good for you. Dipshit.
RiffingReligion 2 months ago
@sykeo123 Your supposed education seems to have bounced off your head. You write like a pissed off 12 year old in remedial classes.Your language is from the gutter. If what you say about yourself is true then you will not be the first bigoted fool with a doctorate
Hitch did some great things worthy of respect but he also had some major failings. Do atheists now have saints whom we may not question or criticize?
"hatemonger filth nigger" You can't write a coherent insult Mr. Genius.
MacNutz2 2 months ago
@RiffingReligion
only reason you are here spewing stupidity is cause this uneducated nigger you admire
You admire this grave sitting uneducated hate monger filth nigger
Yup I sure do believe you have a phisher price degree
sykeo123 2 months ago
@sykeo123 I'm getting my phd at Indiana University, and I got my masters at Oklahoma State University. They're both big research universities. Neither is a "Fisher-Price" college. (And you spelled Fisher-Price wrong, you idiot).
What are your credentials?
RiffingReligion 2 months ago
@sykeo123 you may be very right in criticizing the bitterness of this video. but you are no fan of Hitchens if your use "nigger" in your language. you are a bigot and are an hateful swine. i HATE this ridiculous video but your response is worse to me. cut the bullshit. you're a racist.
RobbLind30 2 months ago
@RiffingReligion
did you have any more lies you want to spew you uneducated filth ?
Did you Wes?
sykeo123 2 months ago
@sykeo123 At what university and in what field are you getting your phd, Mr. Oh So Educated? I couldn't help but note that you seem so proud of your phd candidacy at your channel. Back it up. What are your fucking credentials?
RiffingReligion 2 months ago
@sykeo123 you are an excuse for a human being. Hitchens would never, never support your disgusting and casual use of the term "nigger." i very much admire Hitch, including his stance on the Iraq War. but i despise your bigotry even more than i despise this video. "Up with this," Hitch often said, "we will not put." shut your mouth and promptly fuck off.
RobbLind30 2 months ago
Good for You! Christopher has done the same thing to the dead. I like both you and him. If you find anybody that shares all of your ideas let me know. I never have. I try to accept that my friends and fellow atheists are going to be with me on some things and not with me on others.
KasparHauser6 2 months ago 2
@KasparHauser6 Agree 100% And had Hitch simply said, "Look I was wrong. I still support the war but clearly it was a war based on lies." I might not be so angry. But he wouldn't even do that. Indeed, Hitch continued to say Iraq had WMD when all evidence showed they did not. At some point I have to believe he knew it was not true but continued to say it anyway. What kind of person is that? Why should I respect him? HOW can I respect him?
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon I can understand your passion. I am not asking you to change your mind. I bet even Christopher would have understood your passion as well. As far as talking bad about the dead, Christopher did it to Jerry Falwell when he died. As I said before, in order to have any friends at all I must allow them to have opinions that I disagree with. Because nobody even within a family sees things 100% alike.
KasparHauser6 2 months ago
Christopher Hitchens is going to be remembered as one of the great intellectuals of the 20th and 21st centuries.
sstuddert 2 months ago 8
@sstuddert Meaning what? That he wasn't wrong when he said Iraq had weapons of Mass Destruction? He stuck to that even after George Bush retracted it. But he is going to be remembered as 1 of the great intellectuals so I guess facts don't matter.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon I'm quite sure you haven't done nearly as much research on the war as hitch. And even if you were right, which I don't know. He'll still be a better and more intelligent person that you will ever be. I'm sorry you can't be relevant too.
ForYeensSake 2 months ago
@JoeDixon meaning that, in retrospect, people aren't going so vehemently ignorant or masochistic.
sstuddert 2 months ago
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@JoeDixon
@JoeDixon Here's quotes from CH's articles that mocked Cindy Sheehan:
You state mocking Cindy Sheehan like it's a irrefutable crime.
Both articles examine the undeniable link between ex Klu Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke and Cindy Sheehan.
rgiri77 2 months ago
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rgiri77 2 months ago
@JoeDixon Also the cynicalness of Moveon.org a predominantly and vocally atheist movement derisive of the Bush's evangelical stance, championing her petitioning Bush to join her in Friday prayers.
"one must deny to anyone the right to ventriloquize the dead". That's Casey Sheehan the one who died. Not the mother's overtly political anti-semitic agenda.
rgiri77 2 months ago
@JoeDixon If I was Rwandan and heard his 'mocking' of the UN, Kurdish and hear him speak passionately of the 30 years of rape of them and his own people and chemical bombing (which they are still affected by), or Tamil (which I am) and speak of their massacre to shrugged shoulders of the antiwar movement
depite half our entire UK population turning up and marching in London for months. I do not call him a war monger.
rgiri77 2 months ago
@rgiri77 "I do not call him a war monger." So I gather. I, however, do.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
I said I was less emotional and back up my arguments more than you. It doesn't mean i'm a vulcan.
You are intellectually lazy. Read Hitchen's actual articles first before you spew.
rgiri77 2 months ago
@JoeDixon If you mean his support of the war in Iraq By same logic so was George Orwell. I can't find the exact quote when I heard the war time BBC radio broadcasts. But he consistently maintain before the onset of WW2 that the best way to deter and demoralise Nazi's is a handgrendade. So he's a cheerleader too.
Political Islamists have been responsible and call for the geneocide of more third world minorities than any other group. They are Nazi's.
rgiri77 2 months ago
@JoeDixon @JoeDixon 0:47 'A cheerleader for warmongers'. Semantics. On George Bush "He is lucky to be governor of Texas," Hitchens said. "He is unusually incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of all these things." Hardly would work in a cheerleading chorus.
rgiri77 2 months ago
I have lost a friend today and great light forever moral, humble, witty and jaw dropping permanence of his inciteful analysis of any situation to the dismay of his rivals, even at death's door. Yet your reponse is still more emotional than mine and you are less keen to back these up with facts.
But I am not angry I visualise Christopher smiling at the irony of the situation :)
rgiri77 2 months ago
* I meant massacre of kurdish and Saddam's own people sunni muslims.
rgiri77 2 months ago
i think it would be interesting to hear your opinion on Hitchens's political views when the man was alive and well, but like it was said here before, the timing is awful. If you can't respect the man at least respect his family.
ZZzzzzzWhat 2 months ago
@ZZzzzzzWhat And once again, people deny Hitch's legacy. Did he respect Falwell's family? This is is silly. The man had no problem going after dead people but some how my engaging in the same exact behavior is some how out of line. Did any of you guys actually pay attention to his career? Sheesh.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
So..... you hate all the Christians that supported the war on weapons of mass destruction too. I look forward to that video. Then again you'll just say they weren't real Christians, because your a real Christian, or maybe it's part of the Atheist conspiracy, or maybe god chose you to be a youtube martyr, an intellectual sacrifice to show us atheists the error of our ways, at the expense of a dead person no less, something you can relate to of course, therefore justified, but just as ignorant.
thirdhandsticks 2 months ago
@thirdhandsticks
Who the fuck are all you people coming in here thinking Joe's a Christian?
bowlsallbroken 2 months ago
@bowlsallbroken I didn't realise Joe is an atheist and apologise, my comment was on the back of alot of emotion and the vid does tend to come across that way. I didn't agree with Hitchens' position on the war either but he did progress the dialogue between theists and atheists more than any other imo, he was brutally honest and his sense of humour actually endeared him to many theists. Like you said "nobody's perfect" so let's remember the good he did.
thirdhandsticks 2 months ago
Even though I understand and agree with your stance regarding Hitchens' position on the wars, I've come to realize that nobody's perfect and estimate that, overall, Hitchens did more good than harm and at the very least arrived at even his flawed conclusions with the best of intentions.
I think you have a great channel and I have no damned intention of unsubscribing. I have no problem with people criticizing the dead when the deceased was a public figure that thrived on being controversial.
bowlsallbroken 2 months ago
Fuck you.
ConcernedCitizen158 2 months ago
You are an ignorant piece of shit.
ConcernedCitizen158 2 months ago
I, also, very much disagreed with his opinions on war. I just don't think the time of a man's death is the appropriate time to voice that opposition. It has nothing to do with which side of any issues you are on. It is just plain impolite.
rwstoney 2 months ago 7
Saddam Hussein had to be removed from Iraq, the war was sloppy but there was arguments for the invasion considering the state Iraq was in (infested with terrorism and a dictator allowed to execute people as he pleased), saying it was unsupportable is incorrect, im guessing your religious by the way?
davebreee 2 months ago
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@davebreee
"considering the state Iraq was in (infested with terrorism"
Gonna stop you right there and suggest look into the actual facts regarding terrorism and Iraq before and after Hussein. The invasion essentially turned Iraq into Al Qaeda's private playground, whereas under Hussein, a scumbag I'll grant you, Iraq was a secular Ba'athist state.
"im guessing your religious by the way?"
LOL gonna let Joe field this one.
bowlsallbroken 2 months ago
@JoeDixon I had no interest in Hitchens' political opinions because, from the little I'd seen, I disagreed with them. His death hit me hard, for reasons I won't go into here, but you have as much right to voice your opinion as I do mine.
YY4Me133 2 months ago
I disagree with your assessment of Christopher, but I support your right to say it. I'll keep my sub to you, unlike the whiny bitches who are butt hurt over hearing your opinion. Grow up, people.
RhunDraco 2 months ago
Look, I partly agree with your opinions about Christopher Hitchens but I think you're ignoring the huge good that he did for the atheist/freethinking community. You have chosen to focus on one opinion of his and completely disregard his life's work. I'm not a Hitchen's worshiper, but I think you could have gone about this in a more tactful/balanced way without losing your subscribers.
dwk0003 2 months ago
@dwk0003 But maybe I don't care about losing subscribers? I bite my tongue enough when I'm around people. I'll be GODDAMNED if I'll do that on my own channel. As for ignoring Hitch's contributions, you're right. I did. That's not what I'm mad about. So why bring it up? If I wanted too, I could read only the poetic passages of the Bible. But those aren't the ones I have a problem with.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon I should add, I want subscribers. I like having subscribers but in the end, what's the point of having a youtube channel if I'm going to avoid saying things that might offend people? Even other atheists? I mean, I'm willing to put my name to videos saying there is no God. You don't think I get shit for that? BUT, I'm suppose to tip toe around my feelings about Christopher Hitchens? Fuck that. No, a thousands times. NO.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
@JoeDixon I see what you're saying, but...it's kind of like: what's the point? He's dead. Are you trying to convince Hitchens followers not to make such a big deal about the guy because he had some messed-up beliefs? If you are, then I think a more balanced, mature video would have accomplished that better. If you aren't trying to convince anyone of anything and you just wanted to share your opinion regardless of the consequences, okay. I respect that.
dwk0003 2 months ago
@dwk0003 Look, I partly agree with your opinions about the pope but I think you're ignoring the huge good that he did for the catholic community. You have chosen to focus on one dogma of his and completely disregard his life's work. I'm not a pope worshiper, but I think you could have gone about this in a more tactful/balanced way without losing your subscribers.
Hitchens was instrumental in the reformation of my life after religion but, Joe is right.It's a blemished legacy at best.
TheScheckig 2 months ago
I would change a million guys like you for a few more years of Hitch alive.
FabisDB 2 months ago
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Hitchens did "put his ass out there". While not exactly a war correspondent, he was in the thick of it several times. Fuck you too fatso, you religious piece of shit. Only brave enough to debate with Hitchen's point of view after he passed away. If I have the privilege of ever running into you, you'll be sorry you made this trash video.
preemptivestrike20 2 months ago
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preemptivestrike20 2 months ago
@preemptivestrike20 LOL. First off, sitting in a TV studio is not 'in the thick of it'. Nor is being flown around with Paul Wolfowitz. And I'm not debating anybody. I'm denouncing them. Something Hitch himself had no problem doing to the dead. You guys amaze me. It's like you know nothing about his career. Look at his actions after Princess Di or Jerry Falwell or any number of people died. But, you are right, I'm very fat. LOL.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
I really like Hitch, and while he was flawed, he was a largely positive force for the atheist movement. Regardless, someone had to have the balls to criticize him for his stance on Iraq. Thumbs up for stating an honest opinion.
WeezingFan 2 months ago
@WeezingFan What's funny is that his fan base is all shocked that anyone would post an attack on him after he died. Something, Hitch himself did all the time to people. It's also funny that they think I was afraid to do this when he was alive. I posted shit about him when he was alive. Big deal.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
This is very unfair, and not only because Hitchens died today. I have mixed emotions about his politics, and whatever about his support for the Iraq war, one thing was for sure: he was consistent. He was consistent in his opposition to Saddam and in his opposition to totalitarian regimes generally and he had it in for Saddam long before Cindy Sheehan's son was even born.
delacaravanio 2 months ago
@delacaravanio I don't care when her son's birthday was. He attacked her. Personally. Google the article. He simply could not accept that maybe, just maybe, someone was against the war while also not being pro-fascist. There is nothing unfair about how I feel about this.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
Easy to talk $h!t about someone who can't pick you apart now, isn't it?
kil2250 2 months ago
@kil2250 Yeah, I'm sure Hitchen's just surfed the internet looking for criticism of him. And it wasn't until he died that I got the balls to say shit about him. That is too funny, thanks for the laugh.
JoeDixon 2 months ago
You're sub count is going to plummet. To say that this was tasteless and an exercise in bad form would be putting it too mildly.
TeapotMullah 2 months ago