The three people who thumbed this down did so from the drive-through window while ordering their super-sized meals, then complained because their fries weren't hot enough.
@Duskofdead wow how can you argue with someone so stupid...he hardly understands what your saying let alone the point your trying to get across id be will to guess hes about 13 or 14...really the stupidity and ignorance of some people is more amazing than the stars in the sky im mean its like your talking to stan smith from american dad
@CSATexan im not gonna argue with you im not gonna explain why i say this so dont ask why but you are truly one of the most ignorant and stupidest person ive ever seen on the internet...that is all have a good day
@CSATexan You mean the land that America stole from the Mexicans, who took from the Spanish, who took from the Natives? If you're going to be judgmental then be thorough.
@CSATexan Oh, so that's why all the Natives in North America were eventually conquered by one large Native empire right? Wrong. Yes, tribes fought occasionally over territory or resources, but it was nothing like "western style warfare", it wasn't invasion and conquest and eradicating the existence of an enemy or taking everything they had. It was for the most part highly ritualized and involved war parties, usually involving a relatively very small amount of men.
@CSATexan It sounds like you're just doing a lazy hand-wave based mostly off ignorance of the details of the history to make it sound like oh who cares if whites took land from the Natives, before whites Natives were all fighting and killing each other anyway. With that logic who cares about WWII? People were all fighting over something or another before that anyway, right? No difference, right?
@CSATexan His post was perhaps a bit emotional but there was nothing factually incorrect about what he said. No matter which western or European power claimed a flag over North America, it was inhabited by Native Americans whose claims were not respected nor even considered. Your statement was the one basically justifying Europeans doing that, so if you care so much about history then validate your claim.
@CSATexan Apparently you didn't even watch the documentary you're commenting on since multiple people in the Donner Party were immigrants from Ireland or Germany. Including Patrick Dolan, Patrick Breen, and the Keseberg party. But putting that aside what I had meant was non-indigenous people. The "Americans" in the Donner Party were all of European extraction and were not indigenous people.
@CSATexan Does CSA stand for "Confederate States of America?" Because it would DEFINITELY explain a lot about your worldview. "how Indians acted"? Let me ask you something. What do you think the difference would be between "how Indians acted" and how rednecks from Texas with pickup trucks and shotguns would act if China invaded the United States? The only "point" you've been trying to make is because Indians had some of their own conflicts whites overrunning them didn't matter.
To start with China wouldn't invade the USA, that isn't really feasible. That is sort of silly.
Now what makes you think that a bunch of California gang bangers wouldn't start to bust caps in an invading army?
The question remains. If a group of people went about ignoring the law of the land, not paying taxes, refusing to comply with GOV officials. Would you support them or not?
@Duskofdead It's a fact natives attacked white settlers first. Hell we have entire settlements that were murdered and scalped (women and children too) Almost as soon as they landed. Natives weren't saints they tmurdere us so we in turn killed them. The only difference is we won and they lost. Get he fuck over it. what your doing is no different than a german bitching because the allies kicked their asses at the fight they started. Don't bitch when you punch an mma fighter and he fucks you up.
@Duskofdead No it wasn't buddy. The first case of scalping was in north america commited by north american natives. Natives (before the white man arrived on their shores mind you) had SCALPING knifes just for that occasion. I don't care what you BELIEVE happened. I don't go off of blind faith and what i WANT to be true, i go off of the facts and the facts state natives attacked multiple White settlements before whites EVER started killing them in return. If you Grab the dog you get bit bitch.
@Duskofdead lol. Ok.....As i've said i deal with solid, provable evidence not random here-say of an upset (Racially insecure possibly?) man who spits his statements blindly and out of emotion. I'm not going to argue with you over youtube especially when it's clear you cannot see through your own bias. You may Proceed to yell your frustrations out at random YT users in hopes one will agree with you and take your words as facts. Good luck.....
@CSATexan To which I repeat my previous question: since Euros were always fighting over something or another anyway, who cares about WWII? It was the same as always, right?
At 4:28: "... Not a living or a moving object of any kind appears upon the face of the vast expanse. The white-topped wagons, and the men and animals belonging to them, are the only relief to the tomb-like stillness of the landscape. A lovelier scene was never gazed upon, nor one of more profound solitude ..."
In 2004, we spent our honeymoon in Incline Village, Lake Tahoe. We visited Truckee when we were there, which is where we first heard of this amazing yet tragic story. We've been facinated by it ever since, and been back many times to Donner Lake.
It's a long way from our home in Manchester, England, but we think this story has a message for everyone, everywhere. Thanks for posted it as we would probably never have seen it otherwise.
O to die advancing on! Are there some of us to droop and die? has the hour come? Then upon the march we fittest die, soon and sure the gap is fill'd. Pioneers! O pioneers!
That minor piece played on the badly out-of-tune upright piano in the background while the wagons roll across an endless plain... that is just so haunting.
These American Experience specials are always interesting. I wish they re-ran these during Christmas, but...usually it's Celtic Women for 9 long weeks.
On April 16, 1846, nine covered wagons left Springfield, Illinois on the 2500 mile journey to California, in what would become one of the greatest tragedies in the history of westward migration.
People tend to forget if it were not the pioneers even though there was tragedy
that if not for them we would not have any of the conviences that we take for granted. I was there and paid my respects to those who died. Thank You for posting
The three people who thumbed this down did so from the drive-through window while ordering their super-sized meals, then complained because their fries weren't hot enough.
mediumrare415 4 days ago
@Duskofdead also you seem way to smart to argue with and idiot like CSA plz stop wasting brain cells on him
jaguilar7643 2 months ago
@Duskofdead wow how can you argue with someone so stupid...he hardly understands what your saying let alone the point your trying to get across id be will to guess hes about 13 or 14...really the stupidity and ignorance of some people is more amazing than the stars in the sky im mean its like your talking to stan smith from american dad
jaguilar7643 2 months ago
@CSATexan im not gonna argue with you im not gonna explain why i say this so dont ask why but you are truly one of the most ignorant and stupidest person ive ever seen on the internet...that is all have a good day
jaguilar7643 2 months ago
i dnt wanna sound cold-hearted but screw these ppl they were a bunch of white land-grabbers stealing native american lands anyway
Timuramaru 4 months ago
@Timuramaru
Actually they were heading to California. That is where the Mexicans stole the land from the Spanish.
CSATexan 3 months ago
@CSATexan You mean the land that America stole from the Mexicans, who took from the Spanish, who took from the Natives? If you're going to be judgmental then be thorough.
Duskofdead 2 months ago
@Duskofdead
Whom the natives fought each other for all the time. One side killing the other.
That is what I was trying to tell Timuramaru
CSATexan 2 months ago
@CSATexan Oh, so that's why all the Natives in North America were eventually conquered by one large Native empire right? Wrong. Yes, tribes fought occasionally over territory or resources, but it was nothing like "western style warfare", it wasn't invasion and conquest and eradicating the existence of an enemy or taking everything they had. It was for the most part highly ritualized and involved war parties, usually involving a relatively very small amount of men.
Duskofdead 2 months ago
@CSATexan It sounds like you're just doing a lazy hand-wave based mostly off ignorance of the details of the history to make it sound like oh who cares if whites took land from the Natives, before whites Natives were all fighting and killing each other anyway. With that logic who cares about WWII? People were all fighting over something or another before that anyway, right? No difference, right?
Duskofdead 2 months ago
@Duskofdead
Sounds like you don't care much about history at all.
Why don't you reply to Timuramaru post?? He was the one that started this in the first place
CSATexan 2 months ago
@CSATexan His post was perhaps a bit emotional but there was nothing factually incorrect about what he said. No matter which western or European power claimed a flag over North America, it was inhabited by Native Americans whose claims were not respected nor even considered. Your statement was the one basically justifying Europeans doing that, so if you care so much about history then validate your claim.
Duskofdead 2 months ago
@Duskofdead
Europeans??
No these were Americans in the Donner Party. The Europeans had already been kicked out long before these people tried to go across
CSATexan 2 months ago
@CSATexan Apparently you didn't even watch the documentary you're commenting on since multiple people in the Donner Party were immigrants from Ireland or Germany. Including Patrick Dolan, Patrick Breen, and the Keseberg party. But putting that aside what I had meant was non-indigenous people. The "Americans" in the Donner Party were all of European extraction and were not indigenous people.
Duskofdead 2 months ago
@Duskofdead
I didn't know North Carolina was in Europe. I bet George Donner would have been surprised to hear that he was born in Europe.
We both know what you are trying to say and it is a rewriting of history.
CSATexan 2 months ago
@CSATexan Are you seriously this dense?
Duskofdead 2 months ago
@Duskofdead
Let me put it to you this way.
Weren't the Aztecs themselves invaders??
Just because the natives weren't a bunch of white boys doesn't mean they were a happy go lucky peace loving homogeneous group.
If 50 to 60 people in your neck of the woods started acting like Indians would you support them or would you demand the cops go and arrest them??
CSATexan 2 months ago
@CSATexan Does CSA stand for "Confederate States of America?" Because it would DEFINITELY explain a lot about your worldview. "how Indians acted"? Let me ask you something. What do you think the difference would be between "how Indians acted" and how rednecks from Texas with pickup trucks and shotguns would act if China invaded the United States? The only "point" you've been trying to make is because Indians had some of their own conflicts whites overrunning them didn't matter.
Duskofdead 2 months ago
@Duskofdead
To start with China wouldn't invade the USA, that isn't really feasible. That is sort of silly.
Now what makes you think that a bunch of California gang bangers wouldn't start to bust caps in an invading army?
The question remains. If a group of people went about ignoring the law of the land, not paying taxes, refusing to comply with GOV officials. Would you support them or not?
CSATexan 2 months ago
@Duskofdead It's a fact natives attacked white settlers first. Hell we have entire settlements that were murdered and scalped (women and children too) Almost as soon as they landed. Natives weren't saints they tmurdere us so we in turn killed them. The only difference is we won and they lost. Get he fuck over it. what your doing is no different than a german bitching because the allies kicked their asses at the fight they started. Don't bitch when you punch an mma fighter and he fucks you up.
TheVkiller01 1 month ago
@TheVkiller01 You have got to be kidding. Where'd you learn your history, West Point?
Duskofdead 1 month ago
@TheVkiller01 They were on the wrong continent for you to be acting like they were innocent victims, lol.
Duskofdead 1 month ago
@TheVkiller01 P.S. Scalping was initiated by the French. Not the Natives, you moron.
Duskofdead 1 month ago
@Duskofdead No it wasn't buddy. The first case of scalping was in north america commited by north american natives. Natives (before the white man arrived on their shores mind you) had SCALPING knifes just for that occasion. I don't care what you BELIEVE happened. I don't go off of blind faith and what i WANT to be true, i go off of the facts and the facts state natives attacked multiple White settlements before whites EVER started killing them in return. If you Grab the dog you get bit bitch.
TheVkiller01 1 month ago
@TheVkiller01 It's very clear you believe what you want to believe. It's equally clear that it's false.
Duskofdead 1 month ago
@Duskofdead lol. Ok.....As i've said i deal with solid, provable evidence not random here-say of an upset (Racially insecure possibly?) man who spits his statements blindly and out of emotion. I'm not going to argue with you over youtube especially when it's clear you cannot see through your own bias. You may Proceed to yell your frustrations out at random YT users in hopes one will agree with you and take your words as facts. Good luck.....
TheVkiller01 1 month ago
@CSATexan To which I repeat my previous question: since Euros were always fighting over something or another anyway, who cares about WWII? It was the same as always, right?
Duskofdead 2 months ago
@Duskofdead
Most people don't care about WW2. Far as they are concern Ben Affleck almost won the battle of Pearl Harbor
CSATexan 2 months ago
At 4:28: "... Not a living or a moving object of any kind appears upon the face of the vast expanse. The white-topped wagons, and the men and animals belonging to them, are the only relief to the tomb-like stillness of the landscape. A lovelier scene was never gazed upon, nor one of more profound solitude ..."
TatevossianA 1 year ago
Historian "Donald Buck"lol his parents must have been jokesters.
pucksterz12 1 year ago 2
In 2004, we spent our honeymoon in Incline Village, Lake Tahoe. We visited Truckee when we were there, which is where we first heard of this amazing yet tragic story. We've been facinated by it ever since, and been back many times to Donner Lake.
It's a long way from our home in Manchester, England, but we think this story has a message for everyone, everywhere. Thanks for posted it as we would probably never have seen it otherwise.
veda1954 1 year ago 5
O to die advancing on! Are there some of us to droop and die? has the hour come? Then upon the march we fittest die, soon and sure the gap is fill'd. Pioneers! O pioneers!
redarrowhead 1 year ago
Is David McCullough narrating?
lacouerfairy 1 year ago
That minor piece played on the badly out-of-tune upright piano in the background while the wagons roll across an endless plain... that is just so haunting.
ladyhrist 1 year ago 3
Im glad im doing this in history!! It is so interesting..:D.
paulmccartney7ElvisP 2 years ago
@paulmccartney7ElvisP
I wish we would've learned about this back in school :( But I love history anyway. S'alright. :))
VampireMonkeyCRX 1 year ago
@VampireMonkeyCRX Yes I know what u mean. I love History too
LambrettaGirlUK 1 year ago
These American Experience specials are always interesting. I wish they re-ran these during Christmas, but...usually it's Celtic Women for 9 long weeks.
septip123 2 years ago 4
Wow, what a fantatic documentary. Thanks for uploading.
BlindGraphics10 2 years ago 19
On April 16, 1846, nine covered wagons left Springfield, Illinois on the 2500 mile journey to California, in what would become one of the greatest tragedies in the history of westward migration.
algs229635 2 years ago 5
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these people were retarded. dont do it and did they listen nooooooooooooooooooo
02Nawal 2 years ago
Tasty.
ferociousgumby 2 years ago
fisher's hornpipe! :)
JediMasterFisher 2 years ago
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tastes like chicken
2242bzo 2 years ago
People tend to forget if it were not the pioneers even though there was tragedy
that if not for them we would not have any of the conviences that we take for granted. I was there and paid my respects to those who died. Thank You for posting
TimothyBreeding 2 years ago 26
woah... an adventure towards death!
Jerome619916 2 years ago 6
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This is great a real life horror story... "ARGHHHH CANNIBALS!!!!"
SPBASS 2 years ago
Do you have the entire documentary available for download? I've seen this one before and I love it!
rickyfan3956 3 years ago