Muhammad Ali promoting the 'Thrilla in Manila' and taunting Joe Frazier

[LeglessRa]

Creepy?

[MsSpasmofant]

He's so fucking creepy.

[TheBestBoxingGame]

"The Gorilla in Manilla special" LOL !

[crysty200718]

Funny, and great as always.

[NDoraku]

not just the GOAT in hw boxing, also the GOAT of talking in any sport.

[MuhhammadAli]

He was crazy but the G.O.A.T

[truebeliever786]

@cozmic24 Yeah that's true, that was bad as well, what Frazier did... But Frazier even said that he's sorry if he said anything bad about Ali that hurt him, in a documentary I was seeing. I think Frazier left this world without any hatred in his Heart for Ali, despite all that happened, at least I hope so... They were both true legends...

[Yodavid1]

@fenderboy211 you certainly dont know who muhammad ali was.

[iraqibodybuilder]

the GREATEST , Muhammad Ali..

[fenderboy211]

what an arrogant jerk.

[chu6466]

ali is great but you gotta admit he was a bit rude to his opponent sometimes. joe frazier didn't do anyting bad to him but ali insulted him by calling him a gorilla or uncle tom...i feel like that's over the line

[lwmson]

Ali's name change symbolized black liberation. You have to understand that at the time to call Ali "Clay" was the same as calling a black person a "Negro." So if a black person, like Joe, called Ali "Clay" he was viewed as a "Tom". Joe even wrote an article for Ebony magazine in '72 titled "Cassius Who?" where he conceded that he didn't respect Ali's name change. And that didn't sit well with many blacks at the time.

[lwmson]

As for Terrell, Ali, as he did with those from the mainstream media, asked Terrell to respect his name change, and Terrell wouldn't do so, as evidenced by this film clip on You Tube : muhammad ali ernie terrel " WHAT'S MY NAME ? "

[starzulu]

All of you stop bawling about how Ali treated Frazier. Frazier is an obnoxious embittered old fighter. Just listen how he talks about Ali even today. Jealousy and envy is what you'll hear. ALI IS THE GREATEST! I REPEAT THE GREATEST!

[lwmson]

@starzulu Well said. The thing is that Frazier wanted to be singer and didn't have the talent to do so. He squandered a lot of his fortune by investing in a signing career (he purchased his own label) , but when he failed he had nothing else to fall back on. This is the real root cause of his bitterness, not Ali's "betrayal."

[KidDynaMyt]

Biggest promotor of All Time. Only Athlete bigger than the sport. Greatest* boxer of all time. #1 Most known human being of all time.

[havebold123]

He could call the rounds that they fall. The greatest!

[youtbeguy]

Fucking clown.

[jeremy10ization]

@OfficialLilManiac What the fuck are you talking about you little Ali dick-rider? I'll bet you dream about sucking Ali's dick every night. I saw you're page, you're obviously obsessed with Ali, you should never idolize another human being.

[jeremy10ization]

He was goofy as hell

[RNOB]

It will be a killa', and a chilla', and a Thrilla, when I get the gorilla in Manila

[666bob666]

does he skronk?

[DkilluminatiX1]

joe so sensitive. Ali all day

[paghmaniforreal]

the thrilla in manila dokumentary is bulsshit! they are just trying to ruin ali reputation. ali ranked joe the next best fighter in the world after the fight and complimented him more and more AFTER the fight.

[lwmson]

@paghmaniforreal You got it! That documentary was nothing but a piece of revisionist propaganda and was TOTALLY biased to Frazier.

[airborne4lf]

1:08 lmao

[twolfelixir]

joe takes it too seriously. ali is joking around. ali complimented joe a lot after the fight. i have never heard joe ever compliment ali as a boxer. according to joe he won all three fights, ali was not a real heavyweight and only had his mouth, while joe had his fists, how absurd

[barguna]

@twolfelixir Nope, Joe doesn't take it seriously at all. Ali did what he had to do to promote the fights and Joe knew that. Behind the scenes, they got along very well. Ali once even took a ride in Joe's Car after a fight or training session,I forget. It was mentioned in one of Joe's interviews.

[B0MBALI9]

@barguna no you got it wrong. yes Joe was very kind to Ali and helped him when they took his title (this is what you mean by 'took a ride in Joe's car'). but when Ali came back to boxing and wanted to get his title back he just trash talked everyone out, including Joe. Joe didnt understand it and then became disliking Ali more and more. He even hates him to this day

[irfanulhaq1]

ur beautiful ali

[TheStrongestSaga]

Thrilla in Manila.

[shire2005]

I thought it was racist to call a black man a monkey? I thought it was racist calling a black man ugly or dumb?

[alfatihbaldo]

y is it racist ti call someone ugly or dumb. just because you call a person who is black ugly does not mean youre a racist. you get ugly people in all races

[truebeliever786]

@alfatihbaldo Its racist calling a black man a gorilla, that's obvious. What Ali did was sick and demeaning. Joe's kid, Marvis, had to deal with shit in school, for instance, children would come to him calling him: 'Gorilla Jr.' etc... and would call his dad a gorilla and an Uncle Tom. Joe got threats and shit.

That was bad shit man. I'm glad Joe's forgiven him, cause to forgive what Ali did to Joe, is something pretty big. I understand how Joe felt and Joe's my favourite boxer ever.

[gammaray4evrr]

@truebeliever786

dude... He was just mucking about cuz the crowd loved that stuff he said. Are yu aware that Ali was also black

[truebeliever786]

@gammaray4evrr

Of course Ali is black but what he did to Joe was demeaning. Ali used to be my favourite boxer until I saw the Thrilla in Manila documentary. Now Frazier is.

I still love Ali, but not the way I used to.

[lwmson]

@truebeliever786 But you should bear in mind that the "Manila" documentary was just pure propaganda.

[truebeliever786]

@lwmson Yeah I agree that's true, it was too hard on Ali, but it does still show that Ali betrayed Frazier, the man who saved him and got him his license back and that was wrong. Ali's a great man, he's saved lives and inspired millions but his actions towards Frazier was wrong.

[lwmson]

@truebeliever786 Nah. You see the problem w/that documentary is that it perpetuates a lot of myths. Frazier did help Ali get his license back, but he wasn't in it to be magnanimous. Joe wanted a big fight payday and knew that a fight with Ali, given Ali's stature and name recognition, would make a fortune for him (which it eventually did). Joe facilitated Ali's return to boxing for his own personal gain, not Ali's welfare.

[lwmson]

@truebeliever786 Another myth is that Ali "betrayed" Frazier, which isn't true. Ali was just going through his pre-fight ritual of "dissing" an opponent as a ploy fro promote an upcoming bout, as illustrated by this video. Joe wasn't anymore "betrayed" than Liston, Patterson, Foreman, Holmes, or Leon Spinks. It's just that Joe is the only Ali opponent who spends his entire life whining about it.

[truebeliever786]

@lwmson Yes but Frazier is the one who helped him that's why, he helped him get his license back and gave him money when he was going broke, but right after Ali got his license back, he began taunting Joe, calling him an Uncle Tom and all this crap.

OK, jokes are perfectly fine, like saying Frazier is ugly (even though he isn't), but saying 'Uncle Tom', is completely wrong, he took it too far then, and this was the guy who helped him and didn't have anything to do with politics, just a fighter.

[lwmson]

@truebeliever786 As I said before, Frazier helped Ali because he perceived Ali as his ticket to Ft Knox. It was business, not personal. As for calling Joe an UT, what the doc doesn't point out is that Joe, like Terrell and Patterson, would constantly and DELIBERATELY call Ali "Clay" for the express purpose of getting under Ali's skin. Ali called all three fighters Toms in retaliation. The biased doc strictly focuses on Ali's taunting of Frazier, but Joe engaged in psychological banter too.

[truebeliever786]

@lwmson Yeah I agree that Joe should've called Ali by his real name, but still, calling a man who helped you, a Tom is wrong. He shouldn't have done that. He should've just asked him politely to call him by his original name, just like he should've asked Terrell politely (what he did to Terrell was just bad, plain bad and sick). As for Patterson, Patterson started calling him Ali again after he lost LOL...

[lwmson]

@truebeliever786 Dude...at the risk of being redundant, I'll say this for the last time: JOE DIDN'T HELP ALI RETURN TO BOXING FOR MAGNANIMOUS REASONS. Joe wanted a big money fight and he helped Ali get his license back to make this happen. That said, Ali was not indebted to Frazier because Joe had his own best interests at heart, not Ali's , when he facilitated Ali's return to fighting. I know that documentary tries to portray Joe gestures as gracious and noble, but that's bullshit. (Part 1)

[truebeliever786]

@lwmson Yes, regardless of Joe's intentions, he got Ali back into the ring, without him, Ali wouldn't have been the only man ever to win a 3-time Heavyweight championship and to beat Foreman and Frazier and other great fighters.

And apart from that Frazier's family was threatened to death and his children were mocked at school being called: 'Gorilla Jr.' and all these other dirty names. How would you feel if that happened to you and your family? Not too good I believe.

[lwmson]

@truebeliever786 I disagree. Frazier, at best, helped Ali get his license back, but he doesn't deserve the entire credit for Ali's return. What Joe's family had to endure was unfortunate, but Joe, not Ali, was to blame for this. Another myth perpetuated in this doc was that Ali had pitted the entire black race against Joe. But Joe insisted on calling Ali "Clay," which directly infuriated black Americans. You have to understand that this occurred during the early 70s. (part 1)

[lwmson]

@truebeliever786 I recommend that you watch the doc "One Nation Divisible." This doc on the Frazier-Ali rivalry is much better than "Manila" because it's more objective (It can seen on You Tube). There's a scene in the documentary where Bryant Gumbel specifically addresses the issue of how Frazier calling Ali "Clay" alienated many black people. (Gumbel even wrote a cover story for Sport magazine titled "Joe Frazier: The White Man's Champion.")

[truebeliever786]

@lwmson Yeah I understand what you mean, but Joe only did that in response to Ali's claims that he was a white man's champion and an 'Uncle Tom' etc... Many people called Ali, 'Clay', during the late 60s. Ali should've asked both Joe and Terrell to call him Ali in a more polite way, but he came hard at them right away.

That's the thing. Yeah I've seen 'One Nation Divisible' twice, its a great documentary, but still Ali went way too far with Frazier, cause this was the man who helped him out.

[lwmson]

@truebeliever786 Well, we're starting go around in circles here, so I will make this my last post. Just consider this: the 3rd fight itself (Manila) was an act of graciousness on Ali's part. Frazier came to Ali wanting a rematch and Ali give it to him. Very magnanimous when you consider that Joe, when his was champ, wouldn't give Ali one. So any "help" Joe extended to Ali would have been more than made up for by Ali giving Joe a title shot and a $2-3 million purse.

[truebeliever786]

@lwmson I still wasn't made up for, because Joe's act gave Ali a 3-time world champion eventually, beating the best there was. Ali's act was great, I'm glad he gave Frazier a shot, but what he did before the fight, calling him gorilla and Uncle Tom etc... was extremely sick, because as I said, his kids at school were bullied and picked on and people threatened his family etc...

[vibraharp226]

@lwmson

You actually think it was Ali who decided who and when he would fight? That Ali was "magnanimous" in "granting" Frazier a shot? It's obvious you know very little about the boxing industry. The fighters themselves are never consulted when the decisions are being made, even at the highest level.

Very naive.

[lwmson]

@vibraharp226 If I'm naive, then you're a moron. Frazier--RIP--needed Ali a hell of lot more than Ali needed Frazier. The only 7-figure purses Frazier made during his career was w/Ali, whereas it was the norm for Ali during his second reign as world champ.

[FijneWIET]

@vibraharp226 the fighters do have some saying though... The deals are made by promotors and managers, the sanctioning body (organization) are just partners in crime

[alfatihbaldo]

@truebeliever786 thats true. but he did that with all his oppnents for example liston a bear etc. but i think with joe he went over the top. but its what made them 5 mil, still thats no excuse for being acting the way he did.

[truebeliever786]

@alfatihbaldo

Yeah you're right. He went to far with Frazier cause Frazier's family was actually threatened and his kid was mocked at school, by children who would call him "Gorilla Jr." and call his dad an "Uncle Tom" etc...

That was bad.

[lwmson]

@truebeliever786 But if it wasn't for Ali's showmanship, even at Joe's expense, Frazier wouldn't have made the fortune he made from boxing. Marvis may have been ridiculed, but I know for a fact that he attended a very prestigious private school as a youth and Joe's daughter went on to become a lawyer. Had it not been for Ali, Frazier wouldn't have never been able to pay their tuition for schooling.

[Yiloyildirim1990]

I think that for a legendary person he should be a lil bit more mature and smart!! what are these noise hes making at the end LOOL

[kingdarius1991]

he definitely IS mature and smart, he just plays like that, you should watch him when hes serious