Ranking Sarah Hughes against Maria Butyrskaya in their short programs at the 2002 Olympics, I would say that Maria's jumps were better (i.e., full rotations, no flutzing), and so was her flying camel spin. Sarah had a better combination spin, way better layback spin and spirals, and a better footwork sequence. Sarah also had greater speed throughout her program. So it's a toss-up, I suppose, as to who should have finished ahead of the other.
@anubethc45 As a transparent, and repeatedly shown to be, liar, I don't beleive anything posted by getrealandpuke. That includes the claim it is a ninety-year-old and a "she".
Haters lie in service to their hatred. Lying is immoral. Getrealandpuke is a liar.
@JNagarya Taking lessons in name calling from others are you? I am hardly a liar. Not even a little...you really are focused on me aren't you...you and MTS...I don't put any value on your rants either...you froth at the mouth and it creates amusement....I simply post the truth...somethings are from articles, others are what I see with my own two eyes...others are the opinions of others (credited to them)....now, back to the video of the 2002 Olympic Gold Medalist for the USA...SARAH HUGHES!
So, does anyone know what happened to that wonderful video...the tribute to the actual WINNER of these Olympics...with Jim McKay...tributes to that other skater are all over the place...what happened to the one on the Olympic Gold Medalist Sarah Hughes?
Oh Sarah, you made the USA so proud. Those marks...those totally unfair marks could have demoralized you and justified 'giving up'...instead, they lit a fuse and you took them and SHOWED the world what you are truly made of. Character, fire, courage, and grace...thank you for your contribution to the figure skating world and for bringing home the GOLD in 2002. You, like Tara, had to overcome phenomenal odds and YOU DID IT!!!!!!
I think all the haters who say she didnt deserve fourth in the SP are wrong, this had better presentation and position than Suguri. The lutz and the flip were the only elements that could have had deductions, for poor placement and lack of height, but the other 6 elements were of superior quality, the layback was the best in the games
This is exactly the reason why Sarah shouldn't have gotten gold. This performance was weaker than those of Butyrskaya, Sebestyen, and Suguri. She had flutzes, cheats, and didn't close the circle of her spiral sequence - too many small deductions.
Michelle has to ugly face and Irina to ugly legs for to be an Olympic champions. That's right for Sarah,Tara and Shizuka. They are realy champions,no doubt! Sorry for Sasha Cohen, she was born for Olympic podium!
Now it is my turn to be laughed at. Sarah isn't a mediocre skater like many of you think. Her spirals are one of the kind, though certainly not better than Sasha's. However, she had her shining moment and deserve to have as much praise for her exceptional performance. Maybe you all don't think HIGHLY of Sarah.
This was probably the most memorable Olympics for figure skating in my lifetime. It also made a huge impact on the judging system which I think overall was a positive change, but very hard to understand. Personally I loved this programs feel and music.
You Sara, Michelle and Sasha fans just make me laught... You are so blindly in love with your idols that you cannot even admit to yourselfs that technically whey were inferior to Irina, Maria and many others... To iceSk8erxoxo... Wasn't the 2002 olympic games the big scandal ones? The olympic games when all the world discovers the dirty under the old judging system??? Yes the judges knew what to do in order to fulfill what they previously decided...
her posture wasnt that good but she is one amazing skater. well was. i didn't really like her dress but that doesn't matter who was in first after this Michelle?
can you all just calm down?? obviously if she won gold she deserved it, olympic judges know what they're talking about or they wouldn't have been picked to judge... and i bet half of the people that made the comments on this video don't know crap about ice skating and shouldn't be talking.
sara's an amazing skater and will always be one of my favorites! <333
icesk8erxoxo: Come on, we're just having fun analyzing skating, that's all. Very few dispute that Sara had the free skate of the night... youtube is all about watching clips and discussing them, so you chill :)
Sarah really was a complete package. She was soooo under appreciated. She had wonderful musicality and moved with power and grace. Wodnerful basics and gorgeous jumps and spirals. The only thing she didn't do well was some under roated landings. Great choreography too.
In my opinion she did a flutz, but the 3flip, AT THIS TIME was pratically completed. She skated very slowly and coutiously. Maria Butyrskaya Did a correct jump combination with a little more speed on landing. The 3 flip of Maria was better... The jumps are the key in the short and for me Maria deserved to be ahead of Hughes as Irina ahead of Kwan who Cheated almost 1/2 on her Solo 3 FLip.
To me Maria Butyrskaya skated better. Butyrskaya does Lutz and Flip fully rotated and corect entrance edges. Butyrskaya lost in spirals and spiins, but her maturity is far better. For me...:
1) Irina Slutskaya
2) Sasha Cohen
3) Maria Butyrskaya
4) Julia Sebestyen
5) Maybe Michelle Kwan because of her half turn cheated on her triple flip. In fact, she did a double because a triple is supose to be 3 revolutions in the air
xlutskaya: I agree with you on several points: I think Maria deserved fourth behind 1: Cohen, 2) Kwan, 3) Slutskaya, 4) Maria, 5) Hughes/Sebestyen
Maria's jumps were landed correctly, and I actually thought her spins were better too. Hughes did have better spirals, for sure, but a short is about technique, and those jumps did not cut it for me. I think you have Irina too high though, as her spirals/artistry were below Cohen and Kwan
Irina was clearly the best, Maria right after Irina were was the most correct skater on this short program. Both Sara and Sasha flutz their combos and Michelle cheated 1/2 revolution on solo 3 flip. Iput Maria in 2nd because The advantage of Maria's jumps is superior of the rest of the elements that Sara and Sasha did.
xlustskaya: Ouch, Kwan in 5th place? That's a bit harsh imo. Kwan certainly deserved to be above sara. Remember, there are 8 elements that are being judged (three of which are jumps).. Kwan had one mistake on the flip (a .1-.2 deduction). Kwan's spirals, footwork, and flow were better than sara's and Maria's without a doubt. Maria had the jumps, but her spirals and footwork were so-so (and you know I love Maria).
@mlc2005 Hmm... I'd have to disagree. Kwan in 5th would be impossible @ the time regardless of what happened on the ice, but she certainly shouldn't have been in 1st. Slutskaya skated the epitome of a good technical program with the best and most difficult spins, footwork and jumps. Michelle's spiral was beautiful, but not as difficult as Sarah's arabesque, and her footwork was also nice, but fairly basic. I thought Maria should have been behind Kwan, but not Hughes, Cohen or Slutskaya
@mlc2005 That would have been my preferred standings. Cohen was magical that night and proved for years after that she really was the Queen of the SP. It's unfortunate the LP almost always did her in but her talent was so enormous that she placed no lower than 4th at both the Olympics and Worlds.
@xlutskaya I agree. Those SHOULD have been the standings after the SP. Michelle was lovely but she rehashed an old routine (like S&P) and just personally I can't stand that. Four years should be long enough to come up with a new program. Irina should have been leading after this-I would have been happy with Sasha too. Maria for sure should have been in third and so on.
To me, Sarah has so many beautiful moments in her programs, but it's a shame because a lot of sloppy, awkward strokes/positions in between them detract from her overall look.
@kwadruple Sarah looked lovely to me in her SP dress but apart from the flaws you pointed out-her hunched posture was killing me. It's not as severe as Rachael Flatt's though. I keep wanting to reach into the tv screen and make Flatt straighten her back. :/
Agreed. I would have had Sarah no higher than 6th after the SP-but I do think her LP was the best on the night-not my favorite but I think she won it fair and square as she stood up all her jumps, and landed two combos-true she flutzed but that did not receive a severe deduction under 6.0.
I applaud and appreciate Sarah's Olympic accomplishment; she certainly performed well overall.
She has great flow and speed.
That being said, I cannot look past her sense of balletic line. Yes, she has good extension in her legs , but as evidenced in her spiral and in other places, she lets her knee in the extended leg go slack so that the bottom part of her leg is kind of hanging there out of line. The overall look sometimes is kind of "gangly."
I love her spirals. Her leg might be a little bent, but I find the turn out of her hip to be amazing, she always has her free leg raised right behind her hip instead of turned to the side, which to me makes a spiral very unpleasing. and she has wonderful flow and edging in her spiral. I think her ability and musicality were really underrated. she really was a wonderful skater.
The rules, that is. And jumps often turn on the ice 1/2 before leaving. The amount of rotation a jump actually has in the air is less that what most people seem to think.
sheesh. I've gotta say that even after years of hearing this crap, it never ceases to amuse me. Sarah consistently underroted some of her triples, I don't think anyone denies that, but her 3-3 combinations were no more underrotated than those of Irina Slutskaya, Miki Ando, Mao Asada, Carolina Kostner, Shizuka Arakawa, etc... People really seem to have a stick up their ass about Sarah specifically and I wonder why, considering the poise and humility she showed through her career.
Carolina Kostner did not underrotated a single triple-triple combination in her whole career not even when she was a junior... anyway... Sarah in this occasion deserved her title...
@Arinozian mostly Kwan and Cohen fans eating their sour grapes, those of us who truly appreciate great skating and competition know that she deserved her win.
@twilliger123 she did not deserve to win. She performed nothing than a big amount of jumps (not the best quality) and than nothing. it had no soul, no energy, she just skated from one element to another, nothing more.
@Rosova3 Ok, which bitter fan are you that she beat? You definitely don't know skating if you can't appreciate Sarah's skating and not just the jumps. You're a dumbass.
@twilliger123 Imknow skating and I just don´t like american style of skating, where skaters only shake their hands and nothing more. I like european style, it is more elegant.
i accepted that she won the olympics, I just don´t like it. So stop writing comments on my profile saying I am ugly, stupit, dumbass..... Who are you to write things like that about people you don´t know?
Sarah had a fantastic run culminating in her gold medal. It is so cute - that fan boys/girls try to promote their fave by critiquing the competition:)
Sarah would consistently perform amazing skills - but a dissenter somehow notices a 1 degree under rotation, when no one else would even try the element - much less in an olympic LP:)
@Arinozian It's not just about underrotation. Her flip/lutz are not pretty by any means. Very slow rotations in the air, barely gets off the ice, flutzing.. Her edge jumps look fine though. I know she was a sweet girl and everything, but I never liked her as a skater.
she doesn't seem to hear the suppressed passion and beauty of this music. She has the same facial expression and chreography as she did in her freeskate to Daphnis and chloe.
Honestly, why is it that only the Canadian commentary is actually willing to point out her flawed jumping? There was flutzing, underrotation, etc. but the folks at NBC just ignored it.
Yeah, i agree, and the thing I absolutely hate about sarah hughes is that her jumps and arm movements are so FORCED-- she needs to just relax a bit and be more graceful. That is the reason why her jumps (Flip, lutz) carry almost no speed in their entrances. Not a gold medal performance to me, IMO.
I have to agree. Her skating was never fun to watch because of it. And as far as commentators go, the guy on this vid is wrong about placement at 2001 worlds. Hughes was not third after technical, she as fourth. Nikodinov was third. Now, you want to talk about good skaters...
I'd have to go back and check my tapes of the 2002 Olympics but I'm pretty certain the U.S. commentators did indeed point out Sarah's deep flutzing. Come to think of it they zoomed in on her take-off edge in the slo-mo and you could really see just how bad it was.
I checked and Sandra Bezic for sure points out not only the flutzing, but other mistakes the judges did not take off for which they could have-and Scott points them out too.
I can't believe they were so harsh with the marks she got with both the technical merit and the presentation marks. I think she derserved better marks because overall she did great in this performance.
Why do you say that? The flutz? (Sasha, Fumie and Michelle all made the same mistake, but not all had the same difficult combination) The forced triple flip? (michelle's was far far more underrotated), or the most accepted reason: her name is sarah hughes, and in terms of marks, that takes precedence over what she does on the ice. please explain rationally, unless this is simply coming from a place of resentment because Michelle Kwan didn't win... if so, don't bother responding :-P
The flutz, the underrotated flip ,awkward on loop,combo spin isn't difficult enough,only one position on spirals.Both Michelle and Sasha were better in the presentation - better edges,speed,choreogrphy,hands work and lines.Sasha had also better spirals and spins.In addition Butyrskaya and Sebastien were better and should have been placed higher than Sarah - that leaves Sarah in 6 place.
I'm sorry but what you consider to be a subjectivity- the statement that Sasha and Michelle have better skating skills- knees work, edges, posture, lines etc. ? It's obvious!I would like to see one single person (professional of course - coach or judge) who would say the opposite.
It seems pretty obvious to you; that's the subjective part. IMO, Sasha has more flexibility and stretch, better posture, harder spins and more versatility than Michelle, Sarah has more elegance, flexibility, better spins, speed and difficulty than Michelle. Sarah's programs are the most difficult in the jumps and transitions, Sasha's are the most difficult in footwork and choreography, and Kwan's simply are not that difficult. They all have different strengths; it's just a matter of preference
Sasha has the best lines,flow,edges and knees,transitions,body work. Michelle has second best lines and skatind skills. Sarah- bad posture, doesn't control the arms and upper body, sloppy edges,unpointed toes. Sasha's transitions are a way better and jumps? HEr 3 jumps are mostly underrotated and in the 3/3 the second is about half underrotated, so technically it was 3/2.
This conversation could go on forever. I don't find Sasha's edging or transitions to be very impressive at all. She's certainly more lyrical, but just because Sarah doesn't strike as many balletic poses doesn't make her presentation "sloppy". And she doesn't control her upper body any less than when Michelle is flapping her arms around with every crossover... Sarah's style is simply different from either of theirs. Your opinion is that it makes it worse, I happen to like it more.
And who said anything about 3/3's? Do you see one in this program? because I don't. The only time I can ever recall seeing her underrotate the second triple in a combination by a half turn was at the 2001 worlds. Her 3/3's were often MORE fully rotated than Irina Slutskaya's, yet Irina was always lauded for her attempts... you're obviously more concerned with pontificating about your biases with a litany of subjective criticisms. You don't like Sarah's skating, I do. The End lol
the first was underrotated by at most a quarter turn and her second by even less. If they had been triple-doubles, she still would have had the best and cleanest performance on that night...
Judges didn't think those were 3/3. She received lower technical scores than Slutskaya, so those combos were heavily underrotated (and this is perfectly shown in the slowmotion - after two and half turns her foot is already fully on the ice) and didn't count.
Anyone who bases a skater's performance on the number given by a judge in an LP under the 6.0 system doesn't know shit about figure skating. That system is relative; nothing to do with points; deductions are meaningless. It's about placing a skater in comparison to the other skaters in the competition. By your logic, Michelle Kwan COULDN'T have fallen in the Olympic LP because she got a 5.8 for technique. Anyway, neither combo was more than 1/4 turn cheated- since numbers mean everything I guess
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uhm exuse me but do you mean to say that an olympic judge doesn't know what the hell he/she's talking about? they base it fairly, or they could get fired and thrown out of judging for the rest of their life
And still, you fail to see the point. Sarah's 3-3's were sufficiently rotated. The first one was not great, but she did it. Some of Slutskaya's jumps had better quality (the Triple Lutz combination, the Salchow) but she didn't do the difficult combinations and also didn't even skate clean.
Ranking Sarah Hughes against Maria Butyrskaya in their short programs at the 2002 Olympics, I would say that Maria's jumps were better (i.e., full rotations, no flutzing), and so was her flying camel spin. Sarah had a better combination spin, way better layback spin and spirals, and a better footwork sequence. Sarah also had greater speed throughout her program. So it's a toss-up, I suppose, as to who should have finished ahead of the other.
TheBob1901 2 months ago
@anubethc45 Say what?
getrealandsee 4 months ago
@anubethc45 As a transparent, and repeatedly shown to be, liar, I don't beleive anything posted by getrealandpuke. That includes the claim it is a ninety-year-old and a "she".
Haters lie in service to their hatred. Lying is immoral. Getrealandpuke is a liar.
JNagarya 6 months ago
@JNagarya Taking lessons in name calling from others are you? I am hardly a liar. Not even a little...you really are focused on me aren't you...you and MTS...I don't put any value on your rants either...you froth at the mouth and it creates amusement....I simply post the truth...somethings are from articles, others are what I see with my own two eyes...others are the opinions of others (credited to them)....now, back to the video of the 2002 Olympic Gold Medalist for the USA...SARAH HUGHES!
getrealandsee 4 months ago
So, does anyone know what happened to that wonderful video...the tribute to the actual WINNER of these Olympics...with Jim McKay...tributes to that other skater are all over the place...what happened to the one on the Olympic Gold Medalist Sarah Hughes?
getrealandsee 8 months ago
Oh Sarah, you made the USA so proud. Those marks...those totally unfair marks could have demoralized you and justified 'giving up'...instead, they lit a fuse and you took them and SHOWED the world what you are truly made of. Character, fire, courage, and grace...thank you for your contribution to the figure skating world and for bringing home the GOLD in 2002. You, like Tara, had to overcome phenomenal odds and YOU DID IT!!!!!!
getrealandsee 8 months ago
@getrealandsee wow, u call kwan a loser, and NOW you KNOW what sarah is thinking, LOL. man, ur a psycho!
hrjr2009 7 months ago
@hrjr2009 I said nothing of the sort.
getrealandsee 7 months ago
@getrealandsee 1. The Olympics are not about countries; in fact, the intent of the Olympics is to transcend nationalistic bullshit.
2. One cannot legitimately be "proud" of someone else's accomplishments, because one contributed nothing to it.
3. "Pride goeth before a fall" -- "God" -- is a CONDEMNATION of pride.
JNagarya 6 months ago
I think all the haters who say she didnt deserve fourth in the SP are wrong, this had better presentation and position than Suguri. The lutz and the flip were the only elements that could have had deductions, for poor placement and lack of height, but the other 6 elements were of superior quality, the layback was the best in the games
metsdudenj 9 months ago
This is exactly the reason why Sarah shouldn't have gotten gold. This performance was weaker than those of Butyrskaya, Sebestyen, and Suguri. She had flutzes, cheats, and didn't close the circle of her spiral sequence - too many small deductions.
dc19921000 9 months ago
A lovely skate but Suguri deserved to be placed higher.
ehrenaissance 10 months ago
No grace. To this DAY it upsets me that she won the Olympics.
brandiwhyman 1 year ago
4th place? Hmmm. I dont agree
greekluv85 1 year ago
I thought the short should have been:
1. Irina
2. Sasha
3. Sarah
4. Michelle
Free Skate:
1. Sarah
2. Sasha
3. Irina
4. Michelle
chuhboemember6 1 year ago
The most beautiful lay back spin in skating.
janestahl 1 year ago
@janestahl It's a relly beautiful layback, but not as beautiful as Angela Nikodinov's layback...
AnyoneElse22 1 year ago
the jumps are strong,Are thet made by right leg?
MIRIAM191 1 year ago
Sloppy mess. Am so thrilled that Yu Na Kim decided to emulat Kwan, not Huge or Lipinski, thank you very much,
ladywalker68 1 year ago
16 years oLD AT THE TIME? OMG!
xxfireatwillx3 2 years ago
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She is very nice but I liked Irina Slutskaya(Russia) more. Her energy, body, speed...mm..is something!
Sarah, you're talanted but Irina should have been the first that night. Actually for me, she was.
This is only my opinion. Don't kill me! :-XD
BornToBeYourSoul 2 years ago 5
@BornToBeYourSoul
I agree....
stella0321 2 years ago
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Michelle has to ugly face and Irina to ugly legs for to be an Olympic champions. That's right for Sarah,Tara and Shizuka. They are realy champions,no doubt! Sorry for Sasha Cohen, she was born for Olympic podium!
razdvatrichetiri 1 year ago
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sparklybratz 2 years ago
she likes here arabesque that's for sure
naturescloud 2 years ago
Now it is my turn to be laughed at. Sarah isn't a mediocre skater like many of you think. Her spirals are one of the kind, though certainly not better than Sasha's. However, she had her shining moment and deserve to have as much praise for her exceptional performance. Maybe you all don't think HIGHLY of Sarah.
waddleduckie1 2 years ago
This was probably the most memorable Olympics for figure skating in my lifetime. It also made a huge impact on the judging system which I think overall was a positive change, but very hard to understand. Personally I loved this programs feel and music.
skating123456789 2 years ago
You Sara, Michelle and Sasha fans just make me laught... You are so blindly in love with your idols that you cannot even admit to yourselfs that technically whey were inferior to Irina, Maria and many others... To iceSk8erxoxo... Wasn't the 2002 olympic games the big scandal ones? The olympic games when all the world discovers the dirty under the old judging system??? Yes the judges knew what to do in order to fulfill what they previously decided...
iceroby72 2 years ago
Sensacional!!!!!!!!
vilbenatti 2 years ago
her posture wasnt that good but she is one amazing skater. well was. i didn't really like her dress but that doesn't matter who was in first after this Michelle?
BabyLove102414 2 years ago
@BabyLove102414 Yes-Michelle first, followed by Irina, Sasha, and Sarah in fourth.
faeryquene 2 years ago
can you all just calm down?? obviously if she won gold she deserved it, olympic judges know what they're talking about or they wouldn't have been picked to judge... and i bet half of the people that made the comments on this video don't know crap about ice skating and shouldn't be talking.
sara's an amazing skater and will always be one of my favorites! <333
iceSk8erxoxo 2 years ago
icesk8erxoxo: Come on, we're just having fun analyzing skating, that's all. Very few dispute that Sara had the free skate of the night... youtube is all about watching clips and discussing them, so you chill :)
mlc2005 2 years ago
PML, those bothered by Sarah's flutz apparently wasn't bothered by Cohen's. And for what I know Sarah's basics are miles ahead of Cohen.
shineluvslambiel 2 years ago
Sarah really was a complete package. She was soooo under appreciated. She had wonderful musicality and moved with power and grace. Wodnerful basics and gorgeous jumps and spirals. The only thing she didn't do well was some under roated landings. Great choreography too.
shineluvslambiel 2 years ago
God she looks retarded with that pudding bowl haircut
claudineretard 2 years ago
does her hair cut really matter??
iceSk8erxoxo 2 years ago
It certainly looks better here than at Nationals!
MTVMANN 2 years ago
In my opinion she did a flutz, but the 3flip, AT THIS TIME was pratically completed. She skated very slowly and coutiously. Maria Butyrskaya Did a correct jump combination with a little more speed on landing. The 3 flip of Maria was better... The jumps are the key in the short and for me Maria deserved to be ahead of Hughes as Irina ahead of Kwan who Cheated almost 1/2 on her Solo 3 FLip.
xlutskaya 2 years ago 3
To me Maria Butyrskaya skated better. Butyrskaya does Lutz and Flip fully rotated and corect entrance edges. Butyrskaya lost in spirals and spiins, but her maturity is far better. For me...:
1) Irina Slutskaya
2) Sasha Cohen
3) Maria Butyrskaya
4) Julia Sebestyen
5) Maybe Michelle Kwan because of her half turn cheated on her triple flip. In fact, she did a double because a triple is supose to be 3 revolutions in the air
xlutskaya 3 years ago 3
xlutskaya: I agree with you on several points: I think Maria deserved fourth behind 1: Cohen, 2) Kwan, 3) Slutskaya, 4) Maria, 5) Hughes/Sebestyen
Maria's jumps were landed correctly, and I actually thought her spins were better too. Hughes did have better spirals, for sure, but a short is about technique, and those jumps did not cut it for me. I think you have Irina too high though, as her spirals/artistry were below Cohen and Kwan
mlc2005 2 years ago
1 Irina
2 Maria
3 Sasha Cohen
4 Sara
5 Michelle
Irina was clearly the best, Maria right after Irina were was the most correct skater on this short program. Both Sara and Sasha flutz their combos and Michelle cheated 1/2 revolution on solo 3 flip. Iput Maria in 2nd because The advantage of Maria's jumps is superior of the rest of the elements that Sara and Sasha did.
xlutskaya 2 years ago
xlustskaya: Ouch, Kwan in 5th place? That's a bit harsh imo. Kwan certainly deserved to be above sara. Remember, there are 8 elements that are being judged (three of which are jumps).. Kwan had one mistake on the flip (a .1-.2 deduction). Kwan's spirals, footwork, and flow were better than sara's and Maria's without a doubt. Maria had the jumps, but her spirals and footwork were so-so (and you know I love Maria).
mlc2005 2 years ago
@mlc2005 Hmm... I'd have to disagree. Kwan in 5th would be impossible @ the time regardless of what happened on the ice, but she certainly shouldn't have been in 1st. Slutskaya skated the epitome of a good technical program with the best and most difficult spins, footwork and jumps. Michelle's spiral was beautiful, but not as difficult as Sarah's arabesque, and her footwork was also nice, but fairly basic. I thought Maria should have been behind Kwan, but not Hughes, Cohen or Slutskaya
Arinozian 1 year ago
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regimaorosbo 1 year ago
Clearly the best sloppy skater of the night
collegeguy15 2 years ago
@mlc2005 That would have been my preferred standings. Cohen was magical that night and proved for years after that she really was the Queen of the SP. It's unfortunate the LP almost always did her in but her talent was so enormous that she placed no lower than 4th at both the Olympics and Worlds.
faeryquene 2 years ago
@xlutskaya I agree. Those SHOULD have been the standings after the SP. Michelle was lovely but she rehashed an old routine (like S&P) and just personally I can't stand that. Four years should be long enough to come up with a new program. Irina should have been leading after this-I would have been happy with Sasha too. Maria for sure should have been in third and so on.
faeryquene 2 years ago
To me, Sarah has so many beautiful moments in her programs, but it's a shame because a lot of sloppy, awkward strokes/positions in between them detract from her overall look.
kwadruple 3 years ago
@kwadruple Sarah looked lovely to me in her SP dress but apart from the flaws you pointed out-her hunched posture was killing me. It's not as severe as Rachael Flatt's though. I keep wanting to reach into the tv screen and make Flatt straighten her back. :/
faeryquene 2 years ago
She was lucky to have been 4th here. Pales in comparison to Suguri's "Ave Maria" SP in the same competition.
Saphead 3 years ago 9
Agreed. I would have had Sarah no higher than 6th after the SP-but I do think her LP was the best on the night-not my favorite but I think she won it fair and square as she stood up all her jumps, and landed two combos-true she flutzed but that did not receive a severe deduction under 6.0.
PhillyGal4Ever 2 years ago 3
I applaud and appreciate Sarah's Olympic accomplishment; she certainly performed well overall.
She has great flow and speed.
That being said, I cannot look past her sense of balletic line. Yes, she has good extension in her legs , but as evidenced in her spiral and in other places, she lets her knee in the extended leg go slack so that the bottom part of her leg is kind of hanging there out of line. The overall look sometimes is kind of "gangly."
Still, good for her with her Olympic title!
klkpiano 3 years ago
I love her spirals. Her leg might be a little bent, but I find the turn out of her hip to be amazing, she always has her free leg raised right behind her hip instead of turned to the side, which to me makes a spiral very unpleasing. and she has wonderful flow and edging in her spiral. I think her ability and musicality were really underrated. she really was a wonderful skater.
shineluvslambiel 3 years ago 4
It's more than a 1/4 turn, not the exact 1/4 turn mark.
Zuranthium 3 years ago
The rules, that is. And jumps often turn on the ice 1/2 before leaving. The amount of rotation a jump actually has in the air is less that what most people seem to think.
Zuranthium 3 years ago
the way she skates reminds me of a pixie. so light and energetic yet so beautiful and graceful!
Falln4DarkAngel 3 years ago 3
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Sarah was great and the judges aren't you guys!
caspiansgirl 3 years ago
You're right, she was very good, I somehow forgot about her. Definetely better than Sarah.
hatula87 3 years ago 5
sheesh. I've gotta say that even after years of hearing this crap, it never ceases to amuse me. Sarah consistently underroted some of her triples, I don't think anyone denies that, but her 3-3 combinations were no more underrotated than those of Irina Slutskaya, Miki Ando, Mao Asada, Carolina Kostner, Shizuka Arakawa, etc... People really seem to have a stick up their ass about Sarah specifically and I wonder why, considering the poise and humility she showed through her career.
Arinozian 3 years ago 14
Carolina Kostner did not underrotated a single triple-triple combination in her whole career not even when she was a junior... anyway... Sarah in this occasion deserved her title...
iceroby72 3 years ago 2
@Arinozian mostly Kwan and Cohen fans eating their sour grapes, those of us who truly appreciate great skating and competition know that she deserved her win.
twilliger123 1 year ago
@twilliger123 she did not deserve to win. She performed nothing than a big amount of jumps (not the best quality) and than nothing. it had no soul, no energy, she just skated from one element to another, nothing more.
Rosova3 1 year ago
@Rosova3 Ok, which bitter fan are you that she beat? You definitely don't know skating if you can't appreciate Sarah's skating and not just the jumps. You're a dumbass.
twilliger123 1 year ago
@twilliger123 Imknow skating and I just don´t like american style of skating, where skaters only shake their hands and nothing more. I like european style, it is more elegant.
i accepted that she won the olympics, I just don´t like it. So stop writing comments on my profile saying I am ugly, stupit, dumbass..... Who are you to write things like that about people you don´t know?
Rosova3 1 year ago
@Rosova3 Your comment was ugly and that is enough for me, it makes you an ugly person.
twilliger123 1 year ago
@twilliger123 ok, your right to have own oppinion. I have mine and I just don´t like her skating, nothing more.
Rosova3 1 year ago
@twilliger123 and what it makes you? the smartest person in the world? wake up, little mamas boy...
Rosova3 4 months ago
@Rosova3 No it makes me know you are a nasty cunt - I would tell you to go to hell but you're already on your way!
twilliger123 4 months ago
@twilliger123 :D:D:D:D you really made me laught :D thank you for that :D
Rosova3 4 months ago
@Arinozian
Sarah had a fantastic run culminating in her gold medal. It is so cute - that fan boys/girls try to promote their fave by critiquing the competition:)
Sarah would consistently perform amazing skills - but a dissenter somehow notices a 1 degree under rotation, when no one else would even try the element - much less in an olympic LP:)
saunhitube 10 months ago
Great form and athleticism - as always with her.
saunhitube 10 months ago
@Arinozian Yeah! Not too mention her costumes ROCK! hahahahaahah. (Give me a break. I'm a costume designer)
MandeeSparkle 10 months ago
@Arinozian It's not just about underrotation. Her flip/lutz are not pretty by any means. Very slow rotations in the air, barely gets off the ice, flutzing.. Her edge jumps look fine though. I know she was a sweet girl and everything, but I never liked her as a skater.
gabb9262 6 months ago
wow she got lucky
classicalgal14 3 years ago
wut is a techinal program?
icebabbywfsc12 3 years ago
she doesn't seem to hear the suppressed passion and beauty of this music. She has the same facial expression and chreography as she did in her freeskate to Daphnis and chloe.
tinymavy 3 years ago 2
caroline zhang skated to this music for her 07/08 long program and its was amazing at only 14 compared tosarah hughes at 16
iheartsk8tn 3 years ago
No. Zhang's LP music is by Schubert while Hughes' music is from Bach.
fjn219 3 years ago 2
either way caroline had the better music better dress better program
iheartsk8tn 3 years ago
Honestly, why is it that only the Canadian commentary is actually willing to point out her flawed jumping? There was flutzing, underrotation, etc. but the folks at NBC just ignored it.
kitkat9288 3 years ago
Yeah, i agree, and the thing I absolutely hate about sarah hughes is that her jumps and arm movements are so FORCED-- she needs to just relax a bit and be more graceful. That is the reason why her jumps (Flip, lutz) carry almost no speed in their entrances. Not a gold medal performance to me, IMO.
fallcolor1 3 years ago
I have to agree. Her skating was never fun to watch because of it. And as far as commentators go, the guy on this vid is wrong about placement at 2001 worlds. Hughes was not third after technical, she as fourth. Nikodinov was third. Now, you want to talk about good skaters...
mraurora 3 years ago
right. NBC will sing the prasies of her and Michelle no matter how bad they are!
tinymavy 3 years ago
I'd have to go back and check my tapes of the 2002 Olympics but I'm pretty certain the U.S. commentators did indeed point out Sarah's deep flutzing. Come to think of it they zoomed in on her take-off edge in the slo-mo and you could really see just how bad it was.
PhillyGal4Ever 2 years ago 3
I checked and Sandra Bezic for sure points out not only the flutzing, but other mistakes the judges did not take off for which they could have-and Scott points them out too.
PhillyGal4Ever 2 years ago
at last she won the whole competition though!! she is soo gracefull!!
meghanwiggins 4 years ago 5
skater*
omghaleyy713 4 years ago
shes a great ster either way!
omghaleyy713 4 years ago 3
I can't believe they were so harsh with the marks she got with both the technical merit and the presentation marks. I think she derserved better marks because overall she did great in this performance.
LOZO71489 4 years ago
she should have been lower than 4th, but her bronze medal from the 2001 world championships saved her.
sixfootpianist7 4 years ago
How could that save her?
LOZO71489 4 years ago
Why do you say that? The flutz? (Sasha, Fumie and Michelle all made the same mistake, but not all had the same difficult combination) The forced triple flip? (michelle's was far far more underrotated), or the most accepted reason: her name is sarah hughes, and in terms of marks, that takes precedence over what she does on the ice. please explain rationally, unless this is simply coming from a place of resentment because Michelle Kwan didn't win... if so, don't bother responding :-P
Arinozian 3 years ago
The flutz, the underrotated flip ,awkward on loop,combo spin isn't difficult enough,only one position on spirals.Both Michelle and Sasha were better in the presentation - better edges,speed,choreogrphy,hands work and lines.Sasha had also better spirals and spins.In addition Butyrskaya and Sebastien were better and should have been placed higher than Sarah - that leaves Sarah in 6 place.
hatula87 3 years ago
That's some pretty wide-speeping subjectivity, but you're entitled to your opinion. All I have to say is that I'm glad you're not a judge
Arinozian 3 years ago
I'm sorry but what you consider to be a subjectivity- the statement that Sasha and Michelle have better skating skills- knees work, edges, posture, lines etc. ? It's obvious!I would like to see one single person (professional of course - coach or judge) who would say the opposite.
hatula87 3 years ago 2
It seems pretty obvious to you; that's the subjective part. IMO, Sasha has more flexibility and stretch, better posture, harder spins and more versatility than Michelle, Sarah has more elegance, flexibility, better spins, speed and difficulty than Michelle. Sarah's programs are the most difficult in the jumps and transitions, Sasha's are the most difficult in footwork and choreography, and Kwan's simply are not that difficult. They all have different strengths; it's just a matter of preference
Arinozian 3 years ago
Sasha has the best lines,flow,edges and knees,transitions,body work. Michelle has second best lines and skatind skills. Sarah- bad posture, doesn't control the arms and upper body, sloppy edges,unpointed toes. Sasha's transitions are a way better and jumps? HEr 3 jumps are mostly underrotated and in the 3/3 the second is about half underrotated, so technically it was 3/2.
hatula87 3 years ago
This conversation could go on forever. I don't find Sasha's edging or transitions to be very impressive at all. She's certainly more lyrical, but just because Sarah doesn't strike as many balletic poses doesn't make her presentation "sloppy". And she doesn't control her upper body any less than when Michelle is flapping her arms around with every crossover... Sarah's style is simply different from either of theirs. Your opinion is that it makes it worse, I happen to like it more.
Arinozian 3 years ago
And who said anything about 3/3's? Do you see one in this program? because I don't. The only time I can ever recall seeing her underrotate the second triple in a combination by a half turn was at the 2001 worlds. Her 3/3's were often MORE fully rotated than Irina Slutskaya's, yet Irina was always lauded for her attempts... you're obviously more concerned with pontificating about your biases with a litany of subjective criticisms. You don't like Sarah's skating, I do. The End lol
Arinozian 3 years ago
Sarah's 3/3 combos were really heavily underrotated in Olympic LP and shouldn't count as 3/3 had it been a fair "game".
thesunny2007 3 years ago
the first was underrotated by at most a quarter turn and her second by even less. If they had been triple-doubles, she still would have had the best and cleanest performance on that night...
Arinozian 3 years ago
Judges didn't think those were 3/3. She received lower technical scores than Slutskaya, so those combos were heavily underrotated (and this is perfectly shown in the slowmotion - after two and half turns her foot is already fully on the ice) and didn't count.
thesunny2007 3 years ago 4
Anyone who bases a skater's performance on the number given by a judge in an LP under the 6.0 system doesn't know shit about figure skating. That system is relative; nothing to do with points; deductions are meaningless. It's about placing a skater in comparison to the other skaters in the competition. By your logic, Michelle Kwan COULDN'T have fallen in the Olympic LP because she got a 5.8 for technique. Anyway, neither combo was more than 1/4 turn cheated- since numbers mean everything I guess
Arinozian 3 years ago
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uhm exuse me but do you mean to say that an olympic judge doesn't know what the hell he/she's talking about? they base it fairly, or they could get fired and thrown out of judging for the rest of their life
are you even a skater?
iceSk8erxoxo 2 years ago
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You don't understand Triple jumps sunny.
Zuranthium 3 years ago
Do you want to say that Sarah's jumps had better quality (or at least similar) than Slutskaya's ?
thesunny2007 3 years ago
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And still, you fail to see the point. Sarah's 3-3's were sufficiently rotated. The first one was not great, but she did it. Some of Slutskaya's jumps had better quality (the Triple Lutz combination, the Salchow) but she didn't do the difficult combinations and also didn't even skate clean.
Zuranthium 3 years ago
@thesunny2007 Sarah without 3/3s would be only worth 5.5s and 5.6s so obviously she was given credit for her 3/3s.
grafgirl27 1 year ago
i agree this program in my opinion was dry and uninteresting and people we are all entitled to our opinions
classicalgal14 3 years ago 4
Can't believe the Russian judge ranked her 10th in the short after this performance. Crazy. Had to eat that crap when she won!!!
StewNWT 4 years ago 5
I like this so much more than the ABC coverage, thanks for posting it. :)
Jadesabre14 4 years ago 4