Countdown With Keith Olbermann - The Blame Game [3-9-09]

[OrmEmber]

Go do it your way. Go get 'em, tiger.

[OrmEmber]

"Ron Paul is an idiot. Playing by the book only keeps you left behind".

Congratulations on the most vapid sentiment I have ever read. I feel stupider just reading that.

[OrmEmber]

dslcobra, are you just a smartass on your mom's computer tryin' to jerk people's chains, or are you really this paranoid about minorities that you have to blame everything on them? How about recognizing your own ignorance? Life is short.... be sure to waste it on hate messages on a Youtube message board...

[espunde]

Which is why the rich and powerful should not be allowed to partner up with their buddies in gov and ruin the free market. Our fascist, not free, economy is based on big corps getting hand out from the Feds, the banks keeping out competition and getting rich through the Fed, unconstitutional and bungling regulatory agencies being used to sideline the competitors of connected corporations, etc. Any economy is based on greed, but its only a matter of keeping the gov from interfering in the market.

[OrmEmber]

This should be required viewing for everyone.

[Suitsnappy]

For the record, I didn't delete that. YouTube labeled your comment as spam.

[GoogleSlave]

this guy has soooo much fake sun-tan lotion on his disgusting face - that is so sick and faggoty

[Suitsnappy]

Only faggot is you for paying so much attention to another man's skin. Join the Film Actors' Guild. No homo.

[AggressiveNature]

Anyone even think this faggot is funny?

[Suitsnappy]

I think you're funny, faggot.

[billengelman]

Not as thick as the orange paint rep John Boehner uses

[Suitsnappy]

And I decide when it's time to say "Amen".

[MayoMcCheese]

Any time you want to debate in a forum you don't control snappy, I'm here to kick your ass.

[Suitsnappy]

I'm not controlling this one. What's stoppin ya?

[MayoMcCheese]

You control it. Notice your name is highlighted in yellow.

[Suitsnappy]

But I don't exercise my control that much. Feel free to say whatever you like (unless it's racist).

[MayoMcCheese]

The problem is this:

You, the biggest bigot here, is to decide racism when you see it. You've already blocked a number of my accounts, simply because your ass was being handed to you, not because of racism. That is control over the forum.

I'll be happy to go to another vid on this topic (The Blame Game) and mop up the floor with you. Anytime. Back up your bullshit.

[Suitsnappy]

Actually, I unblocked all those accounts. And you're right, I decide the racism. If it's racist, I delete it. And a lot of what you said was racist. And in defense, you call me a bigot.

And how did you hand me my ass? You never proved me wrong even once.

[Suitsnappy]

You gotta play the game the way that works for a while before you can change how it works. Fuck doing things by the book; Obama's trying to win. I ain't hatin on his hustle. I'm gonna give him time to show us what he's made of before I start judging. Remember, he still has Bush's mess to clean up. Politics is a dirty game no matter how you look @ it, and you can bet that McCain would've been doing it way worse.

See you crackpot losers later.

[espunde]

I'm 'hatin on his hustle' because he is perpetuating blatantly unconstitutional pet projects, just like I would be hatin on Republicans for doing the same thing. He (Obama) has already shown his true colours, and I'll fight him every step of the way. And by the way I voted Chuck Baldwin, Republicans, as well as Dems, are guilty until proven innocent, either one has broken the law too many times to be trusted.

[Suitsnappy]

You're right. But the bottom line is that we need stem-cell research.

[MayoMcCheese]

There was stem cell research previously. There was no limitations on stem cell research.

[Suitsnappy]

And there doesn't need to be any now. We're talking about curing diseases here.

[MayoMcCheese]

Things a little slow in the bigotry biz today, snappy?

[Suitsnappy]

You tell me.

[MayoMcCheese]

According to my tracking polls, your bigoted comments have dropped off 44% in recent days.

[Suitsnappy]

Nice observation. Keep tracking me.

[espunde]

It's not about making the world safe for democracy, it's not about helping people, it's about power, man in his depraved state seeks after it. A people who would disregard Law, Morals, Customs, for a temporary gain, will ultimately destroy itself. You break the law, or the constitution, even to do "good" once you've destroyed constitutional safeguards, how do you prevent evil men from exploiting this power. You cant. you break the law, you reap the consequences of tyrants and bloodthirsty mobs.

[espunde]

I know nothing of foreign policy? How much do you actually know? When did out current problems with Iran start? Give up? Operation Ajax. I know enough of history and foreign policy to know that the more you interfer with people the more they hate you, e.g. our Monroe Doctrine and Roosevelt corollary in the Caribbean, they hated us for decades because we would send in troops in to interfere with their internal affairs. Ever heard of dollar diplomacy? Dole fruit and Hawaii is an example.

[espunde]

There should be no federal funding of stem cell research, because their is no constitutional authority to do so, just like there should be no fed funding of welfare, or anything that has nothing to do with defending the U.S.A., that's the only constitutionally valid expenditure Congress can make, defense spending!

[Suitsnappy]

So your plan is to keep spending billions of dollars each month in Iraq, instead of helping to save many lives with stem cell research? Wow, nice logic there! I love you right-wingers...you keep things entertaining! And you also remind us why this nation is now controlled by the left.

[espunde]

I never said that. I would propose we get out of the middle east and the world entirely! That means Japan, Germany, Korea and everywhere else we have bases. We don't need to be sending troops overseas to fight everybody's wars. What I said was that the only constitutionally valid expenditure by congress is DEFENSE spending, I didn't say offense spending. Apart from the ethical and moral concerns (which would be for the states' to decide), Congress has no authority to spend money on such things.

[espunde]

Stem cell research that is. Show me one place in the U.S. Constitution where the power to spend money on stem cell research is enumerated.

[Suitsnappy]

I believe that Congress does have the power and authority to take steps towards advancing technology and science (whether or not it is stated in the Constitution), for these are the things that will skyrocket us towards a solution to our woes. Not everything is so black and white, cut and dry. Now is a good time to break with the tired, redundant traditions of the past and work towards a better tomorrow. Stem cell research is a huge step towards the future.

[espunde]

A huge step toward the future, progressives said the same thing about eugenics, abortion and forced sterilisation. You show yourself, like most americans to be ignorant of the rule of law, when a power isnt in the Constitution it is reserved to the states and the people, it doesnt mean you can read between the lines, it means the power isn't there. Morality and Law are black and white, grey is just another shade of black. Stop living in the dark, lies are lies, no matter how oft you repeat them.

[Suitsnappy]

Fuck doing things by the damn book. It's time to take different measures in order to expand technology and healthcare. I for one am sick of losing loved ones. You mean to tell me that we have to keep on being vulnerable to the unknown because of stupid politics when we could be saving lives? It's time to check our priorities once and for all. It'll take some time to get perfected, but it's better than your suggestion of doing nothing because of technicalities. Get with the program or get left.

[espunde]

If you mean by stupid politics enforcing constitutional checks on the power of the Federal government and keeping the states supreme, then yes I'll take stupid politics any day. Doing nothing is not at all what I suggest. If my own state of FL wanted to fund tech and health I would oppose it, I think it best to leave government out of certain things entirely due to favoured industries and lobbyists feeding at the trough. If any other state wants to do it that is there sovereign prerogative.

[Suitsnappy]

Leaving government out of things makes things worse. Let's face it - we need them as much as they need us. We don't need to exclude government from stuff; we need for them to take the RIGHT actions instead of continuing their bad habit of making matters worse. But most importantly of all, we need to use our voice. The government is supposed to cater to OUR needs anyway. They can't take the right actions to help us unless we use our voice to tell them exactly what we need (and don't need).

[espunde]

Limited government is needed, but having government involved with everything makes things worse in the long run. I dont think short term, I think long term, the fact that you and others are so infatuated with short term thrills makes me more supportive of restricting democracy and suffrage. The Greeks in 5-4th cent. B.C. ran into the same troubles we face today, a woefully misinformed electorate who are manipulated by evil politicians. The more you talk, the more you reveal your ignorance.

[Suitsnappy]

If you were ACTUALLY reading, you'd see that I don't believe in having govt involved in everything. I'm just man enough to admit that we do need the govt sometimes, but I do know that the govt needs us ALL the time. The govt can't help us out the way we need them to if we don't tell them exactly what we need. That's why we vote. If the politicians are evil, we impeach.

Restricting democracy and suffrage? In other words, totalitarian dictatorship. LOL yeah, good luck with that one..

[MayoMcCheese]

I'm sure you've noticed that when snappy is wrong or misinformed, he stops responding. The light of truth and reason is not allowed to shine in his world.

[Suitsnappy]

I stop responding for a while because I actually do things with my life other than sit on a computer all day and keep debating losers with crackpot views. But you'll see that I do still return to prove you weenies wrong again. AMEN!

[Suitsnappy]

It's not fighting people's wars, it's trying to gain more allies to become a much stronger nation. You know nothing of foreign policy so I suggest you stop speaking on it.

[espunde]

For one thing, we are not a nation, we are a constitutional federation of states, or a republic. 'We the people' means 'we the people [of the states]', but the Founders didn't know if they'd get everyone on board (the states that is) so they dropped 'the states'. I guarantee you most of our problems come from our meddling in the world, e.g. the middle east, we keep stirring things up. Germany and Japan can take care of themselves, as can the rest of the world, our empire is unnecessary.

[Suitsnappy]

You're completely delusional. The United States' current standing is good enough. I agree that we don't need to do so much meddling in the world, but we at least have to finish the mess that we are in right now. If we pull out now, there is going to be a backlash. I honestly don't know if an insurgency will happen or not, but it's not worth a gamble. We gotta finish up what we began and THEN practice neutrality.

[espunde]

What is the point of finishing up what we began if it means ruining our economy in the long run? We spend billions overseas to keep up an empire, but we could spend that money at home to fix up things such as social security. I am against social security, but we could at least fund it enough and then gradually draw it down. The problem with finishing things up is that we never do finish it up. The best thing we can do is to cut our losses. I am not delusional, I am being candid and practical.

[Suitsnappy]

Stem-cell research is going to help create jobs, advance the medical field, and save a lot of lives. If anything, that would boost morale and help the economy. People like you fail to see the big picture.

And you're quite delusional if you think we don't need social security. We just need for it to actually work better.

You need to have more faith in technology, medicine, and science. Now that stem-cell research has the proper funding, things will get better. Quit being stuck in the past.

[MayoMcCheese]

The value of stem cell research is still an unknown. To pronounce that it will lead to great breakthroughs is somewhat premature.

Bush's ban stopped federal funding of the research in new stem cell lines. I agree with the ban from the perspective of the funding. Stem cell research should be conducted in the private sector. The federal government needs to be limited - as the framers outlined.

[espunde]

Embryonic stem cell research has actually backfired from what I've read and heard, problems with mutations of the embryonic tissue or something like that, though it might be bad info I'm getting. Adult stem cells seem to hold more promise.

And amen on limiting the Feds. This jackass doesn't seem to understand what Constitutions are all about, limiting government.

[Suitsnappy]

You're actually right about something. Bad info.

I know what the damn Constitution is about, genius. It's just a document of guidelines. but we still must do what's best for the country. What I'm saying is that while limiting government is a good idea, we can't limit it too much or else we'll be stuck off in an island. Sometimes we do need their help in certain situations.

[Suitsnappy]

But doing nothing damn sure won't do anything. We gotta at least try.

Conducted in the private sector? So that it can be less accessible and more expensive for those who need it? What are you, a sadomasochist?

[espunde]

No, we don't need social security. Back in the day people would save their gold and they could actually live quite comfortably in retirement because their money had value and the government couldn't steal it through taxes or inflation. We need a Gold Standard again. I have faith in God first and foremost, my faith in science is limited by ethics and morality, and for the rest, see my previous remarks on the constitution. I'm 'stuck in the past' because it worked, you should try it too.

[Suitsnappy]

If you wanna drive a truck full of heavy gold bullion bricks then be my guest. I'm not here to argue with you about currency issues, although I believe in eliminating ALL monetary systems period. But I will say that I think social security fulfills many purposes and we need it. I don't think this country would be able to survive without it. You'd be a crackpot to say otherwise.

The past worked, yet look at the situation is left us in. Uh huh.

[espunde]

Oh yes, it's all because of a lack of regulation that we're in this mess, that might be part of it. The bigger problem at the heart of all this is the Federal Reserve, then the politicians in D.C. who pander to special interests, then the bailing out of companies, the manipulation of the housing market, politicians interfering with the free market, then claiming it's the free market's fault when their screw ups blow up in their faces. Look deeper Olbermann, much deeper.

[luke666808g]

so the message is, Obama put people in his administration that want you brutally ass rape you financially, but he's still awesome because he's pro stem cells, well that's just fabulous.

[Suitsnappy]

True...but Obama, Emanuel, and Geitner got those "brutal ass rapists" in check. Remember, people who enter a job in Obama's admin are not allowed to work on job that benefit what they were doing before they got the job. In other words, no conflict-of-interests.

But I do see where you're coming from though.

[luke666808g]

DOES he have them in check? I just find it a bit bullshittish, that he's supposedly anti corruption, and hires corrupt people, with the intention (according to you) of making them be not corrupt, why not just hire non corrupt people instead of the same Washington insiders the US had before? and then dropping the 1000 page stimulus on the house with no time to read it, who had time to read that bill before voting on it? As a president, he doesn't seem all that non corrupt to me.